@@ImmortalWombat I don't think that's right. See the discussion in the comments here from people who were there: pjcockrell.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/beholding-glory-and-becoming-whole-seeing-and-savoring-god-as-the-heart-of-mental-health/
Oh, this one actually has a quote from someone who was there. No comedian mix up: gracedependent.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/laughing-at-sin-or-not-a-final-thought-on-the-aacc-john-piper/
For him to rely on God in a moment like this. Amazing. You could see he was hurt by the laughter in the moment. He was spilling his sins out and they were laughing. Immediately, he went to prayer. Amazing.
Pastor Piper broke the laughter through the Holy spirit, how graciously he change the situation. ... "It became serious slowly"...Hope many have realised as the preaching goes on...>>>>>>>
I don't understand the laughter, this man is pouring out his heart and honesty not only to them but to GOD. Im very moved by your total HONESTY Pastor John . Thank you
I'm being honest here, I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything. It was a spiritual thing why folks were laughing. He was up there giving such a false humility, acting so down trodden, so that people would think he was such a deep spiritual man. He wanted them to think he was a humble broken man. When he is far from humility and brokenness. Don't the pitty seekers tell everybody how much pain their in, shouting it from the rooftops so that people feel bad for them? Or, don't people seeking for honor tell people how much they've been through, and yet they are here taking the pain and helping others? A real genuine humble broken person wants to be alone, doesn't want to talk, doesn't want people's pitty, doesn't tell people because it's embracing. The last thing in the world a humbled person would do is preach a sermon about how humble he is.
kevlar kevin you’re so wrong Kevin, his time slot got confused with a comedian that was invited to the conference, it was announced that the comedian was about to do his stand up, and then the pastor comes, and people weren’t aware until he prayed, it’s on the internet machine, use it well, look it up.
"No one has to be born again to believe in a God who simply endorses their passion to be made much of." That has to be the most important hidden gem in this whole video.
I can't imagine how Pastor John felt when they were laughing at him. But I can discern how the audience might of felt when they realized that he wasn't a comedian. I would pray that it humbled them to the point that they received what the LORD was communicating through John and at his expense. GLORY!!!!!
The laughter is not at him or the sin, it's an outpouring of appreciation at the honest, humble vulnerability that they're connecting with. As Christian Counselors they no doubt long to see such things, but are no doubt confronted daily with fear, self pity and posturing to mask it.
I believe John 6:44. That no one can come to Jesus (believe in Him, see Him for Who He is, marvel over Him) unless the Father draws them. Lot of paraphrasing there. But that 'work of God' needs to happen first in order for what Pastor Piper is speaking of, to happen. Hopefully people who are seeking Christian counseling have experienced this. And Pastor Piper does bring this up saying "God gives people the ability to glorify God." I love how this great Pastor humbling seeks to speak truth.
I finally relocated this video. It has been a mystery as to the dissonance between the tone of his heart and the reception of the audience... But after couple of profound incidences have happened in my life, I finally get what's going on here in the video. ... This is God humbling Piper. And it's actually caught on video. Depending upon how much anyone knows of Pipers struggles, he has always had to deal with pushback from people and misunderstanding even back from the original Desiring God book days where contrarians want to add in their objections... And it still happens. When Francis Chan spoke at one of DG's conferences, Piper introduced him with mentioning Chan's "Crazy Love" and he did so with a bit of reserve for oncoming success of the book, saying that, that kind of success can be a dangerous thing. Piper's talked about God saving him from the praise of men, and this is an actual recorded example of God's reiteration to Piper that he needs. This is one of the many things that God imposes in Pipers life to keep his passion and humility. To actually see it on video is pretty amazing because it's evident by how much of a bizarre and surreal dichotomy is present between Piper's message and the audiences response. It's like a lens between them and the audience is hearing something completely different! I've had this happen to me on a smaller scale and I couldn't believe that what I was saying was being heard completely different... And when God showed me these things, I thought about this Piper video. It's a privilege to see Gods working of these things in one's own life. It's the chastening that he does to those he loves.
@Jessica Ottis actually this is currently going viral because it has come out that there was a mix up in time slots between this man and a comedian who was supposed to follow him. The audience thinks this is a stand up routine lol.
No Scott, you’re wrong. His time slot got switched up by mistake with a comedian invited to the conference. And I know you’re going to rush to say it was “god’s will” to switch them up. But no, it’s just a mistake, and he got laughed at because people thought he was a comedian. No deep meaning, no message behind the laughter. Stop making up stuff that didn’t happen.
@Jessica I didn’t get that from APJ but he does say something early in the piece about realizing that they were expecting something different for an hour and a half, which makes sense in that context. On APJ, he actually attributes their reaction in part to the tone of the conference as a whole.
Joe_The_Pro17 I’m not sure why APJ did not clarify that this was in fact because of a scheduling mix up..? The audience was expecting a comedian, so they interpreted Piper through that lens.
@@stefaniechis798 Who is APJ?? This is shameful what they did to John Piper either way.. Christians SHOULD know better and his tone is *clearly* serious.
@@stefaniechis798 I don't think that's right. See this discussion (in the comments) the day after from two people who were there: pjcockrell.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/beholding-glory-and-becoming-whole-seeing-and-savoring-god-as-the-heart-of-mental-health/
Very sad!!!This brother has such a tender heart. One of my fav living preachers. He is pouring out his heart to 6,000 counselors who lack the sensitivity of heart, conscience and holy spiritual, to hear this message by obeying James’ words, who says, “Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.” - James 4:9 My prayer: “Father I thank you for the consistency and power you have placed upon John Piper’s. Thank you for his love for you, your kingdom and your people. Strengthen him through this experience. Keep him from being moved negatively by this experience. I pray that the people here would go back and watch this message. And be pricked in their consciences where they lacked sober mindedness. Father I pray you would use this message to convince and convict other teachers of your word of how important it is to be sober minded when declaring and teaching the Word of God. I thank you LORD for hearing and using this message for THE PRAISE OF YOUR GLORY. I ask all these things in Jesus name, amen!” Thanks brother of setting this up the correct way so that other undiscerning brothers and sisters could be AWARE of the grievous way the audience approached this message in the beginning. Thank God that the presence of God came upon John after praying. Johns continence and posture changed completely because of what took place in the beginning. To God be the Glory. This message is profound and requires that I listen to it a few times. No exaggeration. I have never seen PRAISE in this way and will not see it the same. Thanks Brother John.
34:00 “We are spring-loaded in our sin to feel loved by God when he endorses our desire to be made much of.” Deeply troubling. How then, can we hope to know God’s love for us, without using that to make much of ourselves?
I believe 38:32-40:14 answers your question. God’s love for us is in pursuit of His own praise, and praising Him is where we are made whole. So it’s just not ultimately about us. It’s ultimately about Him, and we benefit from that, and He is pleased to extend that benefit to us at great cost to Himself, for His own glory. - And we can only enter into this by the supernatural work of God, and our practical part of that is prayer (also see 42:21).
The audience was expecting a comedian on the stage, but John got his time slot. That’s why they laughed; they thought he was telling jokes. Calm ur tits
@@brikstik3442 I do actually, r word. Comedy/comedy podcasts are my favorite things to watch or listen to, I just listened to his normal podcast though where he said that there were no comedians there so he was shocked to get the reaction of laughter. Context mang
Please just repost from 6:32. I got here because the laughter part was shown by itself elsewhere, and it was so uncomfortable to watch that I wanted to see some resolution in watching the whole message. A few lines for comedic relief might have been appropriate to let off a little steam through a chuckle or two. But man, they really didn't listen to or see the man, or feel the reverence and vulnerability. Which was what he was worried about, hence the introduction. The Lord allowed it, so I know that the whole situation was used for good, but that started out brutally.
For context: This was at an AACC conference in 2009. Originally, the schedule showed that a comedian was supposed to be on stage. However, they had to change the schedule and went ahead and pushed John Piper's message up. Unfortunately, the audience didn't know of the schedule change and being unfamiliar with Piper, thought he was the scheduled comedian. THAT is why they are laughing, haha! They think it's a bit. They didn't realize he was John Piper and was trying to honestly present a sermon. :)
@@tobiaslachmann8184 Yes, plus the idea that christian counsellors had never heard of John Piper is very unlikely. Why would the organisers not have mentioned the change of schedule to explain why a world famous preacher was replacing the comedian? And why would a Christian conference have a stand up comedian booked in the first place? Perhaps in the evening as entertainment but seems unlikely that the comedian would be scheduled before the serious message.
For anyone wondering, apparently his time slot on the itinerary was accidentally switched with a comedians time slot without the audiences knowledge. They thought he was an actual comedian.
Thank you, John, for such encouragement, admonition, and honesty. Praise God! This is indeed a very strange audience. There is nothing funny about this message. Was the laughter due to embarrassment (of their own condition), or spiritual coma? The level of the knowledge of God is indeed corresponding to the view of God in the heart of these people. There is no reverence and awe of God whatsoever, and they might as well be non-believers. No wonder, the generation of entertainment addicted church goers have become so deaf to God's voice. It shows the condition of the heart and their walk with God. It is so sad. What is wrong with these people? I hope that many of this crowd have come to repentance and have grown to understand the introduction part of this message since it was preached over 7 years ago. May God open your eyes and soften your hearts. God dwells in the praises of His people. In His presence is our joy made full.
How bizarre and hurtful must this be for John piper. He has humbled himself and made himself extremely vulnerable and yet they seem to have no idea who he is or what he stands for. How this wonderful humble man of god managed to continue to finish his speech is amazing. May the lord forgive this audience- as you can’t call them a congregation as they appeared to not have a clue who John is or how he presents God
Originally they were going to have a comedian on stage before John. They changed it but no one in the audience knew that so they were expecting him to be a comedian. Watching it with that context makes it hilarious.
I wonder if the main reason they laughed is because for the first time, somebody gets what it's like to be a counselor? Here's a guy who's clearly been in ministry forever, is well-known; and even as a renowned Bible scholar, he is often doubtful of his motives at times. But if anyone is honest with themselves, every "Biblical counselor" has to know from the very start that Jeremiah 17:9 is true: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" (ESV). So I think the crowd is laughing because John Piper gets it better than most people do, and the crowd gets what Piper is saying better than anyone else. Either that, or they thought that he was actually trying to be funny while acting serious. lol.
Is That his sense of humor though? Edit! I found the link to his response and explanation! I love that he respects God so much: ruclips.net/video/gbUMZeFv-aw/видео.html
I edited my comment to make it a question and make more sense.. But I think I got my answer: ruclips.net/video/gbUMZeFv-aw/видео.html I love that John Piper takes this seriously, maybe it was miscommunication between the audience and the speaker. I don’t believe they meant to be rude, but maybe they didn’t read John’s tone? Still, I think the message he was trying to show here is deeply important and humbling.
Personally, I really appreciate his message, but I am really really struggling with it. I don't think I desire to be made much of, but I certainly have competing desires that I know God is relentlessly crushing in my life and frankly, I feel crushed. Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden is light. I hear testimonies to that effect, but I feel none of it. I feel like dying. Like I'm sinking into the Mariana Trench. 😰 I feel like I've come too far in the Christian life to intentionally seek a carnal life, but like all my striving to do the right thing (by God and others) is being taken as an insult to God which I cannot retract, and yet I can't really feel guilty for. Or, to put it better, I feel no joy in being released/saved from. Even considering God's supremely exulted position, why the need to burn such as me in Hell for eternity? How then can I see His grace as glorious?
Hey Sam, I just wanted to say that I've struggled with God and wrestled with his love sometimes too. Ultimately though, God didn't create his children to throw them away in hell. He loves us all imperfect and want's to make us whole. Seeing is I think true. God has done a lot for me in my life, and it's when I start to forget the things he's done that I start to get upset at him. Specifically, I have had a hard time being alone for many years. But I also haven't been what those I've wanted wished for, or wanted those who were available to me. Maybe this is what you are struggling with also. I've got angry, prayed, and told god things in prayers. But he reminds me that it's not him who's chosen to reject me. If I want something better I need to become what someone better would want. He kindly said I was blaming him for others. Whatever you are struggling with, love is a choice. God loves you, you can return that love or not, but please don't blame him if the world and all in it are not perfectly as we want. We have our agency, and you and me are part of that imperfection. Prayer is the method of my seeing, I know when you pray God will answer. When that happens, I feel grace and love for him too, and know that I will become more whole someday. This was a good talk for me, it helped me see some things I did not before. Hopefully you can see his grace and love for you soon. I know it's not Hell he wishes for you. Hell is for those who hate him (which he does not warrant), or hate their brothers and sisters on earth and in heaven. We all, including the apostle Paul, have struggled with the flesh. Maybe prayer and reading what he told Paul will help. Pray to see, and best wishes to you and your journey to wholeness.
you will feel like that if you believe in the type of theology that John Piper preaches, it is aslo part of the reason that the Christian counselors laughed when he spoke, taking yourself too seriously and not enjoying God and the beauty of life he has provided will lead you down a dark path, trust me I was there. I know longer listen to this type of theology
Thanks @@jeremyrichey4243. It's good to know there are others on the journey. I've not yet reached the destination (of inner peace completely even), but I see what you're talking about and I appreciate it.
I would add something if that might bless you, God doesn't ask you to do something to be approved by Him... He already loves you because He saved you. We can enjoy our salvation by knowing that He loves us as we are by the merits of Jesus Christ... So just by being devoted to Him in prayer, reading His word etc will fill us with joy of knowing who he is and how He bless us, with a humble heart :) hope that helps too! God bless you!!
God switched the time slots for a reason. He wanted John to be in an uncomfortable situation. To see if John would continue. As soon as John was uncomfortable, he turned to God. I think the people who were expecting a comedy walked away with something. I feel bad for laughing.
So apparently laughter is wrong? Why are reformed people always so miserable? I also thought Piper was using a little bit of dry self-depricating humor myself but then I think he handled it poorly by getting defensive and doing what he says he needs to not do. If your theology doesn't allow you to laugh especially at yourself then I think you need to take another look at Jesus' character in the Gospels.
reform theology is a problem, I was once attracted by the reform message but it lead to deteriorating mental health issues so I abandoned it and all the preachers of its message
Does anybody know what meter is? Like meter in poetry? It's the format of your speech, the inflections, pauses, and changes of speed. People laughed not because they were clueless, but because the meter of his speech caused him to sound comically insincere. But that never stopped holier-than-thou Christians from having an opinion, did it?
Jesus Restores Two Demon-Possessed Men 28 When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” 30Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.” 32He said to them, “Go!”So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. 33Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. 34Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region. This passage tells me that what Pastor Piper is discussing and preaching and seeking in his sermon to communicate to us is true! It brings me to the above passage because not only is demon possession cause a hard, grieving degree of bad mental heatlh as a by-product of demon possession, but when you read the town's reaction to Jesus' mercy, that they pleaded for him to leave shows that their minds were broken just as much, because their hearts were not right. Ultimately, broken mental health is a heart problem as Pastor MacArthur has been teaching for decades as well. I also see a dynamic as well - a lack of love, a lack of provisions, loneliness, sadness, unwanted thoughts and a desire to carry some thoughts out - these along with many others can and usually lead many of us to mental health problems. Those who have murdered, those committing both mental, emotional and physical adultery, those who rape, who molester and so many other sinful behaviors create mental health issues, all of which come from the heart and the mind of thoughts we allow to play into our thinking. Often, it starts with wicked behavior and sin. Over time, we develop thought patterns and habits that speak and or support those sinful behaviors (masturbation, porn, sexual fantasies, profane language, hearing profane language, drunkenness, etc).
they laugh at him but he is totally serious but it could be that this is not a reformed audience, which might mean that they are not used to confess or acknowledge their sin openly, as your salvation is based on your performance not on Christ’s performance or righteousness so to speak like that is almost to say you are not saved. The same as, if you love Me, you will obey My commandments - this doesn’t mean that through obeying you will receive His love (performance) rather that you will see that when you love God, you will find a bent in you that wants to obey His commandments. The point he makes about praise not being a means to achieve but an outflow of His grace is glorious, not of himself but cause of the truth of that statement-the blatant narcissism that is encouraged, hides the deep seated narcissism in comparison and we can easily miss that or live with it as being ok
@@internetuser7156 he said he is a sinner and they laughed … it is an eternal reality not a cheap shot but a confession infront of people but most importantly infront of a Holy God - when He one day says to Most, I never knew you….then they might laugh as well but the result is eternally damning as they never fell at the feet of Jesus as the judge begging for forgiveness - we are told to just accept Jesus but it’s Him that needs to accept us …. Who on earth do we think we are !!! We … I need to bow before the Holy King of kings and put in my petition to accept me a sinner as I have greatly offended His being - God owe me zero but I owe Him everything
@@DidierMagents I see your point. From another perspective, the way he led up to the the confession could very easily be misconstrued as an ice breaker joke, which many preachers commonly use to engage their audiences. He even said that he was telling them that as a way to connect with them. Every true Christian knows we are ALL sinners so it’s easy to see how such a “confession” the way he built it up could be understood to be a bit of a joke. As the old saying goes, there’s truth to every joke. While sin is ultimately no laughing matter, the way he said it was downright comical, whether he knew it or not. Nd his response to the audience’s laughter just made it worse because they still thought he was joking. I did notice they were quiet at some points in his intro. This is also common in sermon writing, speech writing,and comical writing. I think the greater danger lies in the judgements people are making about the audience more than 10 years after the event. It was clearly a communication misfire on Piper’s part and a misunderstanding on the audience.
@@internetuser7156 thank you for taking the time to respond and interact graciously - I will put myself in that audience as I am and finding myself many a time being lighthearted about something that is very serious as I fail to see it at that point in time - that is not due to my ability but instead I would do that all the time par for the grace of God. Saved yes born again yes , justified yes but still being sanctified and even that I can not do without Jesus…of course I think I can, so many a time yet I am completely mistaken. Even though I believe that very strongly, it’s a battle that won’t leave me till the day this body of death becomes soil. May we strive towards a point where we aim to be filled with the understanding of a 100% push towards the Sovereignty of God & also the 100% responsibility of man that makes for that amazing 100% … two opposite sides, trapped in the dialectic yet mature enough to know that the mind is not the ultimate. Yes it is true that John Piper often jokes and is a funny teacher, but I think he was deadly serious when he made that comment, as he was struck by his utter inability without God
The inappropriate laughter is so surprising-did people feel uneasy with his candor and transparency and Christ likeness? Truly weird. I love his message nonetheless.
I wonder at what point the audience realized that he wasn't a comedian? I say it was at 5:30 that they finally went duh, I don't think he's a comedian.
Is this true? If so, why would this be uploaded? I can't figure out if Desiring God is trying to show this as something funny or suggesting that the counselors are mockers. If it's the latter and they knew about the mix up, they lose all credibility in my mind.
Please read Ecclesiastes 3:4. There is a time for everything. When John Piper here was humbly confessing his sins, that’s obviously NOT a time to laugh. Please read Romans 12:15. ....so you see, wisdom is absolutely vital in making a judgment when or when not to laugh. Proverbs 4:7 !!!!!
Interesting that these people being Christian's first and counselor's second could so blatantly misread John Pipers sharing and vulnerabilities. Says alot of worldly influences on 'Christian counseling' especially in the world of counseling whose foundations are based on secular atheist 'fathers' such as Freud, Jung... There are more influences here than meets the eye...
I agree that their laughter was very inappropriate. They didn’t know what they were hearing. Goes to show how out of touch modern Christian counseling can be.
It was slightly humorous for the first 90 seconds, but it stopped being funny after that. They clearly weren't prepared in the moment for a serious talk and it took them awhile to calm down.
Madness no matter what the time slots were. Sin is funny? You thing 3 years of marriage counseling is laughable? They laughed at him telling them to stop laughing.
wait.. is it because the priest was switched for a comedian and is now entertaining thousands of christian folks or a priest being laughed at because the crowed thought they came for a comedy show? the 2nd one is even more hilarious-
I copied this from another comment: What happened is that there was an agenda mixup, and his slot was listed as a stand up comedy routine. So they thought he was the comedian and that this was a comedy routine, not a sermon, thus they were already primed to laugh.
Im getting so tired of watching videos of John Piper and Francis Chan and having to listen to these people laugh thinking its some Sunday morning comedy hour while theyre speaking with the Holy Spirit.
@@dylanwagoner9768 you're clearly too dumb to understand English. If you believe in invisible people in the sky that talk to you then most likely you're schizophrenic and should seek medical attention...
"I'm a sinner" then people laughed. Man, I would have cried at that moment. He was being vulnerable and humble then they laughed.
The crowd thought he was a comedian because the venue got the times mixed up
@@ImmortalWombat I don't think that's right. See the discussion in the comments here from people who were there: pjcockrell.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/beholding-glory-and-becoming-whole-seeing-and-savoring-god-as-the-heart-of-mental-health/
Oh, actually maybe those two people weren't in attendance. Either way, I haven't seen a citation for the claim that there was a scheduling mix-up.
@@EricRogstad well thats what the majority of people are saying and makes alot more sense then the crowd laughing at him for no reason cmon dudd
Oh, this one actually has a quote from someone who was there. No comedian mix up: gracedependent.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/laughing-at-sin-or-not-a-final-thought-on-the-aacc-john-piper/
For him to rely on God in a moment like this. Amazing. You could see he was hurt by the laughter in the moment. He was spilling his sins out and they were laughing. Immediately, he went to prayer. Amazing.
I love that they applauded at 12:47, I believe it showed they were realizing this was an important message needed to be heard.praise GOD ALMIGHTY
Amen. I do believe over time they for it.
Love the Humility of this Man. Only a relationship with Christ would produce this.
Need to visit the Gaylord sometime
Thank the Lord our God for humility.
Pastor Piper broke the laughter through the Holy spirit, how graciously he change the situation. ...
"It became serious slowly"...Hope many have realised as the preaching goes on...>>>>>>>
I don't understand the laughter, this man is pouring out his heart and honesty not only to them but to GOD. Im very moved by your total HONESTY Pastor John . Thank you
I'm being honest here, I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything. It was a spiritual thing why folks were laughing. He was up there giving such a false humility, acting so down trodden, so that people would think he was such a deep spiritual man. He wanted them to think he was a humble broken man. When he is far from humility and brokenness.
Don't the pitty seekers tell everybody how much pain their in, shouting it from the rooftops so that people feel bad for them? Or, don't people seeking for honor tell people how much they've been through, and yet they are here taking the pain and helping others? A real genuine humble broken person wants to be alone, doesn't want to talk, doesn't want people's pitty, doesn't tell people because it's embracing. The last thing in the world a humbled person would do is preach a sermon about how humble he is.
@@pccj316 No, lol. John Piper got mixed up with a comedian that was slated to speak. The audience thought he was a comedian.
@@pccj316false assertions you are making sir.
kevlar kevin
You’re quite off track on this one my friend
kevlar kevin you’re so wrong Kevin, his time slot got confused with a comedian that was invited to the conference, it was announced that the comedian was about to do his stand up, and then the pastor comes, and people weren’t aware until he prayed, it’s on the internet machine, use it well, look it up.
He handled it so well.
"No one has to be born again to believe in a God who simply endorses their passion to be made much of."
That has to be the most important hidden gem in this whole video.
Sure and truly
All glory and praise to Almighty God.
I can't imagine how Pastor John felt when they were laughing at him. But I can discern how the audience might of felt when they realized that he wasn't a comedian. I would pray that it humbled them to the point that they received what the LORD was communicating through John and at his expense. GLORY!!!!!
The laughter is not at him or the sin, it's an outpouring of appreciation at the honest, humble vulnerability that they're connecting with. As Christian Counselors they no doubt long to see such things, but are no doubt confronted daily with fear, self pity and posturing to mask it.
I believe John 6:44. That no one can come to Jesus (believe in Him, see Him for Who He is, marvel over Him) unless the Father draws them. Lot of paraphrasing there. But that 'work of God' needs to happen first in order for what Pastor Piper is speaking of, to happen. Hopefully people who are seeking Christian counseling have experienced this. And Pastor Piper does bring this up saying "God gives people the ability to glorify God." I love how this great Pastor humbling seeks to speak truth.
Even though the audience did not seem to see that he was being sincere, this is a powerful message. This must have been difficult for him.
I finally relocated this video. It has been a mystery as to the dissonance between the tone of his heart and the reception of the audience... But after couple of profound incidences have happened in my life, I finally get what's going on here in the video. ...
This is God humbling Piper. And it's actually caught on video. Depending upon how much anyone knows of Pipers struggles, he has always had to deal with pushback from people and misunderstanding even back from the original Desiring God book days where contrarians want to add in their objections... And it still happens. When Francis Chan spoke at one of DG's conferences, Piper introduced him with mentioning Chan's "Crazy Love" and he did so with a bit of reserve for oncoming success of the book, saying that, that kind of success can be a dangerous thing. Piper's talked about God saving him from the praise of men, and this is an actual recorded example of God's reiteration to Piper that he needs. This is one of the many things that God imposes in Pipers life to keep his passion and humility. To actually see it on video is pretty amazing because it's evident by how much of a bizarre and surreal dichotomy is present between Piper's message and the audiences response. It's like a lens between them and the audience is hearing something completely different! I've had this happen to me on a smaller scale and I couldn't believe that what I was saying was being heard completely different... And when God showed me these things, I thought about this Piper video.
It's a privilege to see Gods working of these things in one's own life. It's the chastening that he does to those he loves.
@Jessica Ottis actually this is currently going viral because it has come out that there was a mix up in time slots between this man and a comedian who was supposed to follow him. The audience thinks this is a stand up routine lol.
No Scott, you’re wrong. His time slot got switched up by mistake with a comedian invited to the conference. And I know you’re going to rush to say it was “god’s will” to switch them up. But no, it’s just a mistake, and he got laughed at because people thought he was a comedian. No deep meaning, no message behind the laughter. Stop making up stuff that didn’t happen.
@Jessica I didn’t get that from APJ but he does say something early in the piece about realizing that they were expecting something different for an hour and a half, which makes sense in that context. On APJ, he actually attributes their reaction in part to the tone of the conference as a whole.
Where did you discover about the comedian schedule change? I’d like to see a source for this bit of context.
@@santiagoqr1 "stop making up stuff that didn't happen"
funny that, given that your comment was just false.
did you even think it through? a comedian?
Who's here because of apj
Joe_The_Pro17 I’m not sure why APJ did not clarify that this was in fact because of a scheduling mix up..? The audience was expecting a comedian, so they interpreted Piper through that lens.
@@stefaniechis798 Who is APJ?? This is shameful what they did to John Piper either way.. Christians SHOULD know better and his tone is *clearly* serious.
@@TheMistysFavs APJ is Ask Pastor John (Piper) podcast from DesiringGod.org.
@@stefaniechis798 I don't think that's right. See this discussion (in the comments) the day after from two people who were there: pjcockrell.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/beholding-glory-and-becoming-whole-seeing-and-savoring-god-as-the-heart-of-mental-health/
Are you Norwegian by any chance, or have Norwegian ancestry? Your name sounds like it’s from here.
God bless, Jesus loves you and died for you all
So good to hear that John Piper is dealing with some of the same things we all deal with. I often feel like a phoney.
pov: your from tiktok and your trying to figure out if you should reply to comments from ages ago
God bless, Jesus loves you and died for you all
They are not laughing at him they are laughing at them self laughter is a protection mechanism
Yep! Truths that make you uncomfortable is one of the keys to comedy i think.
Very sad!!!This brother has such a tender heart. One of my fav living preachers.
He is pouring out his heart to 6,000 counselors who lack the sensitivity of heart, conscience and holy spiritual, to hear this message by obeying James’ words, who says,
“Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.” - James 4:9
My prayer:
“Father I thank you for the consistency and power you have placed upon John Piper’s.
Thank you for his love for you, your kingdom and your people.
Strengthen him through this experience. Keep him from being moved negatively by this experience.
I pray that the people here would go back and watch this message. And be pricked in their consciences where they lacked sober mindedness.
Father I pray you would use this message to convince and convict other teachers of your word of how important it is to be sober minded when declaring and teaching the Word of God.
I thank you LORD for hearing and using this message for THE PRAISE OF YOUR GLORY. I ask all these things in Jesus name, amen!”
Thanks brother of setting this up the correct way so that other undiscerning brothers and sisters could be AWARE of the grievous way the audience approached this message in the beginning.
Thank God that the presence of God came upon John after praying. Johns continence and posture changed completely because of what took place in the beginning.
To God be the Glory.
This message is profound and requires that I listen to it a few times. No exaggeration.
I have never seen PRAISE in this way and will not see it the same.
Thanks Brother John.
Apparently he, JP was listed on the agenda of the attendee's as a comedian. Hence the laughter!
I was a misunderstanding on the schedule. You don’t need to judge 6000 people for a typo.
Oh wow what a truthful And wonderful sermon
34:00 “We are spring-loaded in our sin to feel loved by God when he endorses our desire to be made much of.”
Deeply troubling. How then, can we hope to know God’s love for us, without using that to make much of ourselves?
I believe 38:32-40:14 answers your question. God’s love for us is in pursuit of His own praise, and praising Him is where we are made whole. So it’s just not ultimately about us. It’s ultimately about Him, and we benefit from that, and He is pleased to extend that benefit to us at great cost to Himself, for His own glory. - And we can only enter into this by the supernatural work of God, and our practical part of that is prayer (also see 42:21).
This message is so deep.
"I dont think i could think of any audience who would be able to see straight through a speaker" oh how wrong he ended up being on THAT....💀💀💀
I finally found the original. And wow, I can't believe is 7 years old
6:10 "there would be no laughter if there were no grace" 😞
Christian counsellours? This was very weird to watch. I believe God used John Piper to confront the reality in the souls of this audience.
The audience was expecting a comedian on the stage, but John got his time slot. That’s why they laughed; they thought he was telling jokes. Calm ur tits
the crowd was there for a comedy show, the time slots got mixed up
Don’t believe everything on tik tok, this is a Christian conference of some sort there were no comedians there
@@ChuvyOfficial that just makes it worse 💀
@@ChuvyOfficial except there was... Christians also laugh. Do you just not laugh or participate in comedy?
@@brikstik3442 I do actually, r word. Comedy/comedy podcasts are my favorite things to watch or listen to, I just listened to his normal podcast though where he said that there were no comedians there so he was shocked to get the reaction of laughter. Context mang
@@ChuvyOfficial this is straight up untrue, christian conferences have comedians all the time lol
😂😂😂 the comments are so clueless and just trust in blind faith that the video title gives all the information
All I can say is I would never wish to be counselled by any of these in attendance here.
I don't understand why he didn't tell them to stop laughing before, I love Pastor Piper and this was really cruel but a beautiful message
Please just repost from 6:32. I got here because the laughter part was shown by itself elsewhere, and it was so uncomfortable to watch that I wanted to see some resolution in watching the whole message. A few lines for comedic relief might have been appropriate to let off a little steam through a chuckle or two. But man, they really didn't listen to or see the man, or feel the reverence and vulnerability. Which was what he was worried about, hence the introduction. The Lord allowed it, so I know that the whole situation was used for good, but that started out brutally.
Lol who’s here from tic tok
Me! Hahaha!
Me and these comments are hilarious 😂
The time slot wasn’t switched 💀 I think it was a Christian conference
Found y’all. Here are the TikTok people, gather around my children
@@SnoBeatz ahahahahahahahaha
No doubt, hearts were changed there.
For context: This was at an AACC conference in 2009. Originally, the schedule showed that a comedian was supposed to be on stage. However, they had to change the schedule and went ahead and pushed John Piper's message up. Unfortunately, the audience didn't know of the schedule change and being unfamiliar with Piper, thought he was the scheduled comedian. THAT is why they are laughing, haha! They think it's a bit. They didn't realize he was John Piper and was trying to honestly present a sermon. :)
This is not true
@@tobiaslachmann8184 Yes, plus the idea that christian counsellors had never heard of John Piper is very unlikely. Why would the organisers not have mentioned the change of schedule to explain why a world famous preacher was replacing the comedian? And why would a Christian conference have a stand up comedian booked in the first place? Perhaps in the evening as entertainment but seems unlikely that the comedian would be scheduled before the serious message.
Can't believe both the pastor and the audience stayed?
This is absolutely bizarre! Seldom has a crowd been so clueless. Counsellors?
MrRea112 what an irony.
A comedian was scheduled to perform at this time but they switched time slots
@@Rorschach1010 shut up paul
@@zen6529 tell him 😤
His time slot got switch with a stand up comedian... they thought it was stand up
For anyone wondering, apparently his time slot on the itinerary was accidentally switched with a comedians time slot without the audiences knowledge. They thought he was an actual comedian.
That is the funniest shit I have ever fucking seen in my life
Is it true? I just don’t wanna go off a tik tok video
Expose the audience mindset,they didn't realize that he was being transparent and not funny. Lord have mercy for Your word is life🙏🙏
Wait, you guys *don't* think he's a comedian?
John Piper the only genuine person in the room.
Audience, please check your scarcaism at the door thank you.
This standup is great, will he get a Netflix special?
Thank you, John, for such encouragement, admonition, and honesty. Praise God! This is indeed a very strange audience. There is nothing funny about this message. Was the laughter due to embarrassment (of their own condition), or spiritual coma? The level of the knowledge of God is indeed corresponding to the view of God in the heart of these people. There is no reverence and awe of God whatsoever, and they might as well be non-believers. No wonder, the generation of entertainment addicted church goers have become so deaf to God's voice. It shows the condition of the heart and their walk with God. It is so sad. What is wrong with these people? I hope that many of this crowd have come to repentance and have grown to understand the introduction part of this message since it was preached over 7 years ago. May God open your eyes and soften your hearts.
God dwells in the praises of His people. In His presence is our joy made full.
How bizarre and hurtful must this be for John piper. He has humbled himself and made himself extremely vulnerable and yet they seem to have no idea who he is or what he stands for. How this wonderful humble man of god managed to continue to finish his speech is amazing. May the lord forgive this audience- as you can’t call them a congregation as they appeared to not have a clue who John is or how he presents God
He should've prayed first. Prayer has the ability to sober up anyone
So this is the video to that bizarre audio clip of people laughing at him....wow it's actually real
He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. So if you'll just apologise; like I know you're going to.
No one is laughing AT him. He’s a genuinely funny guy...I don’t even think he knows it. And his comedic timing is gold.
@@loismunteanu4929 I mean the venue was "the Gaylord hotel"
Originally they were going to have a comedian on stage before John. They changed it but no one in the audience knew that so they were expecting him to be a comedian. Watching it with that context makes it hilarious.
I wonder if the main reason they laughed is because for the first time, somebody gets what it's like to be a counselor? Here's a guy who's clearly been in ministry forever, is well-known; and even as a renowned Bible scholar, he is often doubtful of his motives at times. But if anyone is honest with themselves, every "Biblical counselor" has to know from the very start that Jeremiah 17:9 is true: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" (ESV). So I think the crowd is laughing because John Piper gets it better than most people do, and the crowd gets what Piper is saying better than anyone else.
Either that, or they thought that he was actually trying to be funny while acting serious. lol.
God is sitting on his little cloud laughing to the first 3 minutes of this video
I wouldn't want counselling from any of them!
Is That his sense of humor though?
Edit!
I found the link to his response and explanation! I love that he respects God so much:
ruclips.net/video/gbUMZeFv-aw/видео.html
I edited my comment to make it a question and make more sense..
But I think I got my answer:
ruclips.net/video/gbUMZeFv-aw/видео.html
I love that John Piper takes this seriously, maybe it was miscommunication between the audience and the speaker. I don’t believe they meant to be rude, but maybe they didn’t read John’s tone?
Still, I think the message he was trying to show here is deeply important and humbling.
I believe it is his sense of humor personally
Wow
How can I find a church that believes like this?
Personally, I really appreciate his message, but I am really really struggling with it. I don't think I desire to be made much of, but I certainly have competing desires that I know God is relentlessly crushing in my life and frankly, I feel crushed. Jesus says his yoke is easy and his burden is light. I hear testimonies to that effect, but I feel none of it. I feel like dying. Like I'm sinking into the Mariana Trench. 😰
I feel like I've come too far in the Christian life to intentionally seek a carnal life, but like all my striving to do the right thing (by God and others) is being taken as an insult to God which I cannot retract, and yet I can't really feel guilty for. Or, to put it better, I feel no joy in being released/saved from. Even considering God's supremely exulted position, why the need to burn such as me in Hell for eternity?
How then can I see His grace as glorious?
Hey Sam, I just wanted to say that I've struggled with God and wrestled with his love sometimes too. Ultimately though, God didn't create his children to throw them away in hell. He loves us all imperfect and want's to make us whole. Seeing is I think true. God has done a lot for me in my life, and it's when I start to forget the things he's done that I start to get upset at him. Specifically, I have had a hard time being alone for many years. But I also haven't been what those I've wanted wished for, or wanted those who were available to me. Maybe this is what you are struggling with also. I've got angry, prayed, and told god things in prayers. But he reminds me that it's not him who's chosen to reject me. If I want something better I need to become what someone better would want. He kindly said I was blaming him for others. Whatever you are struggling with, love is a choice. God loves you, you can return that love or not, but please don't blame him if the world and all in it are not perfectly as we want. We have our agency, and you and me are part of that imperfection. Prayer is the method of my seeing, I know when you pray God will answer. When that happens, I feel grace and love for him too, and know that I will become more whole someday. This was a good talk for me, it helped me see some things I did not before. Hopefully you can see his grace and love for you soon. I know it's not Hell he wishes for you. Hell is for those who hate him (which he does not warrant), or hate their brothers and sisters on earth and in heaven. We all, including the apostle Paul, have struggled with the flesh. Maybe prayer and reading what he told Paul will help. Pray to see, and best wishes to you and your journey to wholeness.
you will feel like that if you believe in the type of theology that John Piper preaches, it is aslo part of the reason that the Christian counselors laughed when he spoke, taking yourself too seriously and not enjoying God and the beauty of life he has provided will lead you down a dark path, trust me I was there. I know longer listen to this type of theology
Thanks @@jeremyrichey4243. It's good to know there are others on the journey. I've not yet reached the destination (of inner peace completely even), but I see what you're talking about and I appreciate it.
@@WTG194 Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your sentiment, but can you please clarify what type of theology you no longer listen to?
I would add something if that might bless you, God doesn't ask you to do something to be approved by Him... He already loves you because He saved you. We can enjoy our salvation by knowing that He loves us as we are by the merits of Jesus Christ... So just by being devoted to Him in prayer, reading His word etc will fill us with joy of knowing who he is and how He bless us, with a humble heart :) hope that helps too! God bless you!!
I listened and did not get anything he said...some comments below said they thought a comedy was to be on? How would anyone know that?
God switched the time slots for a reason. He wanted John to be in an uncomfortable situation. To see if John would continue. As soon as John was uncomfortable, he turned to God. I think the people who were expecting a comedy walked away with something. I feel bad for laughing.
They’re probably not nouthetic. Probably why they laugh at the idea of someone saying they’re a sinner.
His time slot got switched with a stand up comedian
I’m attending an AACC conference this weekend. Ig I need to remember to laugh inappropriately?
So apparently laughter is wrong? Why are reformed people always so miserable? I also thought Piper was using a little bit of dry self-depricating humor myself but then I think he handled it poorly by getting defensive and doing what he says he needs to not do. If your theology doesn't allow you to laugh especially at yourself then I think you need to take another look at Jesus' character in the Gospels.
reform theology is a problem, I was once attracted by the reform message but it lead to deteriorating mental health issues so I abandoned it and all the preachers of its message
@@WTG194 What is reform theology? How does it affect mental health?
Does anybody know what meter is? Like meter in poetry? It's the format of your speech, the inflections, pauses, and changes of speed. People laughed not because they were clueless, but because the meter of his speech caused him to sound comically insincere. But that never stopped holier-than-thou Christians from having an opinion, did it?
Haha. That’s a good point
38:32
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One of the most bizarre things that I have ever seen.
Jesus Restores Two Demon-Possessed Men
28 When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.
29“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
30Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding.
31The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
32He said to them, “Go!”So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. 33Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men.
34Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region.
This passage tells me that what Pastor Piper is discussing and preaching and seeking in his sermon to communicate to us is true! It brings me to the above passage because not only is demon possession cause a hard, grieving degree of bad mental heatlh as a by-product of demon possession, but when you read the town's reaction to Jesus' mercy, that they pleaded for him to leave shows that their minds were broken just as much, because their hearts were not right.
Ultimately, broken mental health is a heart problem as Pastor MacArthur has been teaching for decades as well. I also see a dynamic as well - a lack of love, a lack of provisions, loneliness, sadness, unwanted thoughts and a desire to carry some thoughts out - these along with many others can and usually lead many of us to mental health problems. Those who have murdered, those committing both mental, emotional and physical adultery, those who rape, who molester and so many other sinful behaviors create mental health issues, all of which come from the heart and the mind of thoughts we allow to play into our thinking.
Often, it starts with wicked behavior and sin. Over time, we develop thought patterns and habits that speak and or support those sinful behaviors (masturbation, porn, sexual fantasies, profane language, hearing profane language, drunkenness, etc).
They must have felt he was coming across as disingenuous
they laugh at him but he is totally serious but it could be that this is not a reformed audience, which might mean that they are not used to confess or acknowledge their sin openly, as your salvation is based on your performance not on Christ’s performance or righteousness so to speak like that is almost to say you are not saved. The same as, if you love Me, you will obey My commandments - this doesn’t mean that through obeying you will receive His love (performance) rather that you will see that when you love God, you will find a bent in you that wants to obey His commandments. The point he makes about praise not being a means to achieve but an outflow of His grace is glorious, not of himself but cause of the truth of that statement-the blatant narcissism that is encouraged, hides the deep seated narcissism in comparison and we can easily miss that or live with it as being ok
I'm confused. Would you mind rephrasing?
@@internetuser7156 he said he is a sinner and they laughed … it is an eternal reality not a cheap shot but a confession infront of people but most importantly infront of a Holy God - when He one day says to Most, I never knew you….then they might laugh as well but the result is eternally damning as they never fell at the feet of Jesus as the judge begging for forgiveness - we are told to just accept Jesus but it’s Him that needs to accept us …. Who on earth do we think we are !!! We … I need to bow before the Holy King of kings and put in my petition to accept me a sinner as I have greatly offended His being - God owe me zero but I owe Him everything
@@DidierMagents I see your point. From another perspective, the way he led up to the the confession could very easily be misconstrued as an ice breaker joke, which many preachers commonly use to engage their audiences. He even said that he was telling them that as a way to connect with them. Every true Christian knows we are ALL sinners so it’s easy to see how such a “confession” the way he built it up could be understood to be a bit of a joke. As the old saying goes, there’s truth to every joke. While sin is ultimately no laughing matter, the way he said it was downright comical, whether he knew it or not. Nd his response to the audience’s laughter just made it worse because they still thought he was joking. I did notice they were quiet at some points in his intro. This is also common in sermon writing, speech writing,and comical writing. I think the greater danger lies in the judgements people are making about the audience more than 10 years after the event. It was clearly a communication misfire on Piper’s part and a misunderstanding on the audience.
@@internetuser7156 thank you for taking the time to respond and interact graciously - I will put myself in that audience as I am and finding myself many a time being lighthearted about something that is very serious as I fail to see it at that point in time - that is not due to my ability but instead I would do that all the time par for the grace of God. Saved yes born again yes , justified yes but still being sanctified and even that I can not do without Jesus…of course I think I can, so many a time yet I am completely mistaken. Even though I believe that very strongly, it’s a battle that won’t leave me till the day this body of death becomes soil. May we strive towards a point where we aim to be filled with the understanding of a 100% push towards the Sovereignty of God & also the 100% responsibility of man that makes for that amazing 100% … two opposite sides, trapped in the dialectic yet mature enough to know that the mind is not the ultimate. Yes it is true that John Piper often jokes and is a funny teacher, but I think he was deadly serious when he made that comment, as he was struck by his utter inability without God
The inappropriate laughter is so surprising-did people feel uneasy with his candor and transparency and Christ likeness? Truly weird. I love his message nonetheless.
People were laughing cause his time slot was switched with a comedian at the conference.... they thought he was doing stand up
If Christopher Hitchens was alive....he’d have something really funny to say about this
I wonder at what point the audience realized that he wasn't a comedian? I say it was at 5:30 that they finally went duh, I don't think he's a comedian.
"I don't know if you have Bibles" ...
The crowd thought he was a comedian because the venue messed up the bookings!
Is this true? If so, why would this be uploaded? I can't figure out if Desiring God is trying to show this as something funny or suggesting that the counselors are mockers. If it's the latter and they knew about the mix up, they lose all credibility in my mind.
@@Kase5883 Yeah the venue messed the times up these people all thought they were seeing a comedian and expected to laugh!
@@ImmortalWombat well I hope that they didn't manipulate the narrative but surely they have to be aware of the mix up.
What is wrong with these people? It shouldn't have to take 5 and a half minutes to figure out this guy's not a comedian.
I think they are American.
Whittle Pixels I don’t know what that’s suppose to mean.
I’m American and I’m baffled by the audience behavior
I mean if he doesn't want that opening routine, I'll try it out at my time slot at the comedy club 😂
Because it sounds like deadpan humour.
Jeez people are too serious who cares if they laugh? Obviously he didn't! Laughter is like good medicine.
Please read Ecclesiastes 3:4. There is a time for everything. When John Piper here was humbly confessing his sins, that’s obviously NOT a time to laugh. Please read Romans 12:15. ....so you see, wisdom is absolutely vital in making a judgment when or when not to laugh. Proverbs 4:7 !!!!!
Interesting that these people being Christian's first and counselor's second could so blatantly misread John Pipers sharing and vulnerabilities. Says alot of worldly influences on 'Christian counseling' especially in the world of counseling whose foundations are based on secular atheist 'fathers' such as Freud, Jung... There are more influences here than meets the eye...
I rly hope they didn’t pay for it though or that they got a refund
I agree that their laughter was very inappropriate. They didn’t know what they were hearing. Goes to show how out of touch modern Christian counseling can be.
Im pretty sure the announcer was pranking him and announced him as a comedian instead of a key note speaker/pastor. Cruel joke really...
It was slightly humorous for the first 90 seconds, but it stopped being funny after that. They clearly weren't prepared in the moment for a serious talk and it took them awhile to calm down.
Sounds like a comedy stand up
Except when Piper speaks
I wouldve been mad as hell if I had to sit there through that when I was expecting a comedy show
Madness no matter what the time slots were. Sin is funny? You thing 3 years of marriage counseling is laughable? They laughed at him telling them to stop laughing.
wait.. is it because the priest was switched for a comedian and is now entertaining thousands of christian folks or a priest being laughed at because the crowed thought they came for a comedy show? the 2nd one is even more hilarious-
Wtf is supper?
I copied this from another comment:
What happened is that there was an agenda mixup, and his slot was listed as a stand up comedy routine. So they thought he was the comedian and that this was a comedy routine, not a sermon, thus they were already primed to laugh.
Comedy genius.
This is fucking hilarious lol
lol
Im getting so tired of watching videos of John Piper and Francis Chan and having to listen to these people laugh thinking its some Sunday morning comedy hour while theyre speaking with the Holy Spirit.
Well, don't fucking watch it then.
@@gebolavirus ya, stick a sock in it! stick it!
@@atinimaedigresyl fuck off
Looks like the salty atheists finally found this video 9 years later.
Always late to the party.
@@matthewmanucci you said it sister
All religion should be laughed at like this
A thousands fedoras were sent your way
Including yours, yes? Psalm 2:4 teaches us that God laughs at those who don’t acknowledge or submit to him
@@dylanwagoner9768 I'm not insane. I'm a proper thinking atheist
furyus01 Yes your religion...it should be laughed at. And for you to call it proper thinking is laughable in and of itself
@@dylanwagoner9768 you're clearly too dumb to understand English. If you believe in invisible people in the sky that talk to you then most likely you're schizophrenic and should seek medical attention...
Very immature audience.
Pastor John getting more laughs than most stand-up comics!Shame the laughs spoil the powerful message.
what a dope