The History of the Sinitic (Chinese) Languages

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    The Sinitic or Chinese languages are the largest branch of the massive Sino-Tibetan language family. It contains hundreds of languages and dialects with over a billion speakers. Languages in this family are characterized by a subject-verb-object sentence structure, various tonal systems, and a common use of Chinese characters.
    This video presents the history and evolution of the Sinitic languages from 1900 BCE to the present.
    Disclaimer: all dates are approximations, and there are many competing hypotheses regarding the development of these languages that are not represented in this video.
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  • @TheDragonHistorian
    @TheDragonHistorian  4 года назад +35

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    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam 3 года назад +1

      @Yaqub The Thief no kid

    • @Freedom-of-Thought
      @Freedom-of-Thought 2 года назад

      The truth of [dragon] in ancient Chinese: only if you are the emperor or the chosen prince, you can call yourself [dragon], or you can be killed or under punishment because of insulting / challenging the royals. Normal people are no such relative to the dragon, only the Emperor is dragon, others are just satellites of dragon / slave of dragon.

    • @신중용
      @신중용 2 года назад

      중국어파를 소개하는데 왜 일본풍 의류 브랜드의 후원을 받나요?

  • @CostasMelas
    @CostasMelas 4 года назад +197

    Great work in a very difficult object. The tree-diagram in the info is very nice and useful

    • @TheDragonHistorian
      @TheDragonHistorian  4 года назад +38

      Thank you! Your language videos actually inspired me to make my own series.

    • @mahatmaniggandhi2898
      @mahatmaniggandhi2898 3 года назад +11

      greatest crossover of all time

    • @웹툰을좋아하는사람
      @웹툰을좋아하는사람 2 года назад +2

      @@TheDragonHistorian님 중국어파의 역사 영상은 있는데 왜 중국티베트어족의 역사와 티베트버마어파의 역사에 대한 영상은 없나요?

    • @asocos
      @asocos Год назад +1

      You should add the tree diagram to your own language videos

  • @李白-f5u
    @李白-f5u 4 года назад +8

    Merry Mid-Autumn festival and reunion with your family!

  • @vtron9832
    @vtron9832 4 года назад +58

    I actually have a question. How much research does it take to do all this. I tried to make a video on the Oracle bone script and resorted to looking for sources on the Wikipedia references section for that article. However, most were somewhat inaccessible or unable to be cited. I see that you only cited Wikipedia (as a whole), the Britannia (as a whole) and one book. Is Wikipedia becoming more credible, enough to cite it as a source itself? What is your research process. I’d really like to know because I like to research and make videos about these kinds of things. Thank you and awesome video!

    • @zitloeng8713
      @zitloeng8713 4 года назад +6

      that is why there are still something inaccurate in this video.

    • @sukarnos3xy
      @sukarnos3xy 2 года назад +2

      @@zitloeng8713 Wikipedia and Britannia, the main cause of minor (and rarely major) inaccurancies.

    • @kioselnelio4598
      @kioselnelio4598 2 года назад

      where did your videos go

  • @SinoLAX
    @SinoLAX 3 года назад +1

    People!! All you need to do to preserve your own dialect is to use it. Use it at home, use it with friends. It is tragic that languages disappear, but when things become obsolete, they simply go away. So exercise your tongue, hating won't do no good.

  • @markus_park
    @markus_park 3 года назад +6

    Bai be like: Bai, i am headin' out south

  • @middlepath4458
    @middlepath4458 2 года назад +3

    당나라가 고구려를 정령했디고 그 지역이 중국어를 쓴 것으로 나오는데 , 일시적인 군대 주둔을 가지고 중국어 지역으로 표시한 것은 문제같군요.

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 3 года назад +3

    Excellent job! But u forgot the Dungan language, a sort of Mandarin spoken by Chinese muslims in Central Asia.

  • @ruatapachuau182
    @ruatapachuau182 2 года назад

    I wish there was a time machine so that I could go back to the past and could guide our ancestors and let them establish a great kingdom for us young generations.

  • @Larou_Mao
    @Larou_Mao 3 года назад +2

    闽语比起其他汉语确实挺特殊啊

  • @물소추적-j6c
    @물소추적-j6c 2 года назад +3

    God damn Qing! Why did you do that..

  • @soregix6137
    @soregix6137 4 года назад +2

    티베트버마어파도 다음에 보고싶네요

  • @martinkullberg6718
    @martinkullberg6718 2 года назад

    A friend of my speaks Wenhounese, I like it's sound.

    • @eden6056
      @eden6056 2 года назад

      Its one of the most difficult Chinese dialects

    • @riza-2396
      @riza-2396 2 года назад

      Are you missing a Z from Wenzhou?

  • @foxfoster1
    @foxfoster1 4 года назад

    Epic

  • @beanmanbutchina
    @beanmanbutchina 4 года назад

    Proto Greater Bai looks like Tanna Tuva

  • @triangporegaming1910
    @triangporegaming1910 2 года назад

    kind of funny to see the migrations into malaya

  • @slyninja4444
    @slyninja4444 4 года назад +8

    I love how mandarin appears RIGHT AS the mongols invade.

    • @hagongda123
      @hagongda123 2 года назад +2

      mandarin is the result of mongolian and manchurian's self-sinicisation

  • @nikolayordanov3115
    @nikolayordanov3115 3 года назад

    Wow, wu are older than yue.

    • @haruzanfuucha
      @haruzanfuucha 3 года назад +5

      Wu is the oldest southern Chinese language.

  • @珈宏朴
    @珈宏朴 2 года назад

    。。。封面的版图是错的

  • @nanashi522
    @nanashi522 2 года назад +1

    朝鲜古代不是用的汉字吗?好自卑

    • @Luboman411
      @Luboman411 2 года назад

      Ancient North Korea used Chinese characters. These characters turned into Korean 漢字 by around 1000 CE, which were used extensively throughout ancient North Korea.

    • @jinain
      @jinain 2 года назад +6

      intelligence that can't distinguish Language and writing system 😅

    • @pro-1020
      @pro-1020 2 года назад +1

      Korean language is great, but Chinese characters are savage characters, ignorant Chinese people who can't distinguish between characters and languages.

    • @seoulforest275
      @seoulforest275 Год назад +1

      Chinese use alphabet these days, then china would be vassal of UK or USA?

    • @XYZ-iu4gf
      @XYZ-iu4gf 11 месяцев назад +1

      汉字和汉语分不清吗?拼音难道是英文?

  • @joseph_280
    @joseph_280 11 месяцев назад

    I thought the Xia Dynasty has no language... It Is the Proto-Chinese language...

    • @Sv3ti.
      @Sv3ti. 8 месяцев назад

      Tf is a "proto chinese." Plus, the Xia had a language, early old chinese

  • @leomonarch2151
    @leomonarch2151 3 года назад

    Actually half of the Yunan region inchina used Tai language centuries ago

  • @李白-f5u
    @李白-f5u 4 года назад +152

    It's quite a tragedy for language nerds that most Sinitic languages and dialects will die before the end of this century with the dominant promotion of Beijing Mandarin and American English

    • @FOLIPE
      @FOLIPE 4 года назад +16

      It's unlikely they'll be replaced by english.

    • @화이팅-t2q
      @화이팅-t2q 4 года назад +22

      what? the extinction of Chinese languages has nothing to do with English.

    • @李白-f5u
      @李白-f5u 4 года назад +13

      @@화이팅-t2qThe upper class in China now widely speak English since a very early age. If you communicate with 2 languages, your brain has no room to think in the 3rd. This widely happened in China now. Sinitic languages other than standard Mandarin have very few media. Even there are someone operating the media, they can't not provide high quality stuff to attract audience. The community is shrinking. And new generation won't speak their grandparents languages. So they are doomed to die!

    • @화이팅-t2q
      @화이팅-t2q 4 года назад +11

      @@李白-f5u
      but most Chinese people can't speak English at all. only few educated people learn it. how many people do you think will speak English on street?

    • @dogedoge4062
      @dogedoge4062 4 года назад +29

      ​@@李白-f5u the upper class in China DON'T widely speak english.

  • @GaryHField
    @GaryHField 3 года назад +60

    I hope you could feature the history of Austronesian and Austroasiatic languages too. Thank you so much.

  • @yunyitsui6442
    @yunyitsui6442 3 года назад +20

    Greater Bai languages used to be widely spread in southwest China like Min(Hokkien) in southeast China, but Greater Bai languages is endangered today.

    • @TK-my7jg
      @TK-my7jg 2 года назад +3

      No,actually Burma is also Bai-languages , Bur- and Bai- all means ‘local’ or ‘native’, they have the same sino-root

    • @kellyma2992
      @kellyma2992 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@TK-my7jg Burmese belong to lolo-burmese branch , Bai is closer to Chinese . But there are also theory says that bai is a hybrid language between chinese and lolo-burmese .

  • @lexxypexxy2831
    @lexxypexxy2831 4 года назад +54

    Bai literally said: aight imma head out😂

  • @zacharyyan4898
    @zacharyyan4898 3 года назад +51

    2:22 Old Chinese looks exactly like France right there

    • @MH-ms1dg
      @MH-ms1dg 3 года назад +11

      it actually is around the same "size" as France too

    • @riza-2396
      @riza-2396 2 года назад +5

      The Hexagon

  • @paulsitt
    @paulsitt 2 года назад +34

    Wow, Mandarin emerged quite earlier than I expected. I guess even people back then were too lazy to pronounce the final consonants. I wonder if there's any significant sound changes in Mandarin in it's almost thousand years of existence.

    • @tiongkueng
      @tiongkueng 2 года назад +16

      One significant change from the mandarin of that time till now is probably how words starting with the consonants (chinese pinyin)g and z merged into j, h and s merged into x, k and c merged into q. For example 墙ciang and 强kiang,讲giang and 奖ziang,乡hiang and 湘siang. Nowadays mandarin wouldn't distinguish these words just by hearing because they are all qíang,jǐang,xīang.

    • @CannibaLouiST
      @CannibaLouiST 2 года назад +7

      In short, lower class accents aside, Mandarin before 20th century was way closer to modern Cantonese, Hakka and Hokkien, cuz they still had the check tones.

    • @kungszigfrids1482
      @kungszigfrids1482 Год назад +4

      It is very rare for a language to remain inteligable for a 1000 years. Icelandic is one example where it is, but most modern languages are only inteligable like 500 years back.

    • @king_halcyon
      @king_halcyon Год назад

      ​@@kungszigfrids1482Bengali is quite intelligible for a millennia as well, except the final schwa drop

    • @张哲段
      @张哲段 Год назад

      @@CannibaLouiST 又想以越代汉No

  • @deacudaniel1635
    @deacudaniel1635 4 года назад +12

    Can't describe how long I was waiting for this masterpiece!❤

  • @Republic_of_China_No.1
    @Republic_of_China_No.1 3 года назад +8

    이 영상에서는 월어와 오어가 당나라 때 갈라져 나온 것으로 나왔는데, 두 방언이 당나라 때 중고한어에서 분화되었다는 정황이나 문헌 자료가 실제로 있나요?

    • @PLUTONIUM1228
      @PLUTONIUM1228 3 года назад +2

      각종 방언의 비교로 증명됩니다. 예를들어 상고한어 어두의 ng 성모 발음이 중고한어에서는 ng => n, ng, 묵음 등의 비음화 혹은 약화한 경우가 많은데 상고한어에서 갈라진 민 계열에서는 g혹은 ng계열로 변화합니다.
      혹은 상고한어의 원순모음화 현상을 보존한 경우가 많다네요...

    • @Republic_of_China_No.1
      @Republic_of_China_No.1 3 года назад

      @@PLUTONIUM1228
      설명하신대로라면 월어와 오어가 당나라 때 갈라져 나온 것이 설명되기 위해서는, 송대 중고한어에서는 사라진 당대 중고한어의 특징이 월어나 오어에 남아있어야 할 텐데 실제로도 그러한가요?

    • @PLUTONIUM1228
      @PLUTONIUM1228 3 года назад +1

      @@Republic_of_China_No.1 흠.... 저도 전문가는 아니지만 중고한어의 입성(폐음절 다시말해 밭침자음) 이 관화에서는 소실되었지만 객가어 월어 감어 에서는 남아있습니다. 예를들어서 骨 골 은 북경어로는 gu 중고한어로는 gwot 광동어로는 gwat 감어로는 gut 입니다. 오어 샹어는 제 식견 부족으로 말하기 힘들것 같습니다.

    • @PLUTONIUM1228
      @PLUTONIUM1228 3 года назад

      @@Republic_of_China_No.1 당대와 송대 언제 갈라졌는지 흠... 이것은 제가 부족해서 말하기 힘듭니다 ㅠㅜ 하지만 객가어(하카어)는 확실히 늦게 갈라져나왔습니다. 성모의 일치도가 남방방언중 가장 북방화와 유사하다고 합니다

  • @wez4171
    @wez4171 3 года назад +25

    China needs to be like India and start allowing the other Chinese languages besides Mandarin have their own official regional representation. I was shocked that there were movies/tv shows/music besides Hindi in India (like Tamil, Telugu, Marathi, etc). There is Cantonese and Hokkien in media but if it wasn't for the existence of HK and Taiwan, they wouldn't even be recognized at the national level in media.

    • @wolfy6223
      @wolfy6223 3 года назад +6

      Hokkien is dying 😥 I actually like hokkien and other Chinese languages than Mandarin.

    • @wez4171
      @wez4171 3 года назад +3

      @@wolfy6223 Yea it's so sad and the Chinese government doesn't care at all. If India can do it, why can we not? They have the same population and extremely diverse. There is no need to enforce Mandarin everywhere. There should be tv shows/news/movies/music in the regional Chinese language. It's also so hard to find material to learn besides Standard Mandarin...also kinda absurd the Manchus totally lost their language even though they ruled China once.

    • @wez4171
      @wez4171 3 года назад

      @Mongolia Suck No they do not, the lost of linguistic diversity is sad

    • @zedz4397
      @zedz4397 3 года назад +6

      @Ming Dynasty - Mongolia and Manchu suck Manchurians were massacred after the fall of Qing

    • @zedz4397
      @zedz4397 3 года назад

      @Ming Dynasty - Mongolia and Manchu suck Manchurians are Chinese, and China as a Republic has to respect minorities' culture, so it hard for Hanfu to get popular.

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 3 года назад +9

    I recently learnt that Bai language could also be a Tibeto-burman language(Wikipedia and Britainnica think that Bai possibly belongs to Loloish or an independent branch Baic of tibeto-burman). Linguists don't have an exact conclusion on the classification of bai. Don't forget to add Bai language to history of tibeto-burman and expect for your next video of languages! :)

    • @riza-2396
      @riza-2396 2 года назад

      Well it's sino Tibetan language, and lots of compromise between researchers... At the end it's no longer about truth, but honor of researchers....

    • @riza-2396
      @riza-2396 2 года назад +1

      The French and USA Bai researchers insist on ''Tibeto-Burman'', the Bai researcher(not only researching about Bai, the person is Bai) said it's Sinitic because of language structure, the Russian researcher said it's related to old Han Chinese of 2 AD, and some other Bai reaserchers thinks it's Loloish(Tibeto-Burman Lolo-Borman) because of it's pronunciation, but it's still debatable because you can't just say something like ''Japanese is a Garmanic language because they pronounce like English after World War 2''...

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад +1

      @@riza-2396 Exactly

    • @khunphraeokha
      @khunphraeokha 2 года назад

      @@yujiang6004 I love you

    • @user-qwertyuiopasdfghj
      @user-qwertyuiopasdfghj Год назад

      Does Tibeto burman has a common ancestor or just a name for all non sinitic languages in the family

  • @davidwong4821
    @davidwong4821 2 года назад +18

    Hakka Chinese from Hong Kong is a pretty cool Chinese dialect, quite similar to Cantonese but sounds slightly different. I speak it but less and less people are speaking it in Hong Kong, only the older generations speak it. 🙁

    • @jukit3906
      @jukit3906 Год назад

      Hakka is based because it preserved a lot of old chinese sounds
      Exemple: "I" is pronounced "ngai" = 我 (*ngaj) in OC

    • @user-xu2qd2bn1g
      @user-xu2qd2bn1g Год назад

      @@jukit3906
      yeah. wenzhounese which belongs to Wu Chinese says 'hungry' as ngai = 饿 .

    • @DaFartMaker
      @DaFartMaker Год назад +1

      @@jukit3906 in cantonese its Ngo

    • @Hkamerica273
      @Hkamerica273 Год назад +2

      @@jukit3906ngo in Cantonese is closer to ngại than mandarin wo

    • @accurrent
      @accurrent Год назад

      In what ways is Hakka from Hong Kong different from Hakka from Taiwan?

  • @SummerStory101
    @SummerStory101 2 года назад +4

    Overall correct in my opinion, though Hakka probably migrated much earlier than it appeared in this video.

  • @ElCidLee
    @ElCidLee 4 года назад +61

    The Mandarin is killing other Han languages now, even in Southeast Asia.

    • @imslimgeek
      @imslimgeek 3 года назад +1

      why are you leaving english comments?

    • @ElCidLee
      @ElCidLee 3 года назад +19

      @@imslimgeek To let more people know the real situation of eastern Asia's languages.

    • @My-nl6sg
      @My-nl6sg 3 года назад +11

      We speak Cantonese at home however my brother's pronunciation and grammar is heavily influenced by Mandarin already

    • @andy101903
      @andy101903 3 года назад +25

      English is killing more language than Mandarin

    • @My-nl6sg
      @My-nl6sg 3 года назад

      @@andy101903 it has already unfortunately...

  • @李白-f5u
    @李白-f5u 4 года назад +1

    汉白同源词多不多?

  • @aka-bo6ej
    @aka-bo6ej 4 года назад +7

    IMO Qiong-Lei Min should be included in the Southern Min. The migration route of Southern Min from Fujian to Hainan is clear.

  • @kungszigfrids1482
    @kungszigfrids1482 Год назад +2

    It Taiwan does not want to reunify with China it really should emphesize hokkien as their language.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Год назад

      problem is that taiwan also has other demographics than heritage hokkien speakers. theres also a sizable heritage hakka speakers and austronesian aboriginal taiwanese speakers and a good amount of waishengren families from whichever part of china that supported the roc army that retreated to taiwan before so they treat mandarin as the lingua franca to balance it. the official languages they recognize now in taiwan ever since few years ago is all of them with defacto mainstream status in whichever part that taiwan rules over.

  • @keshavshah488
    @keshavshah488 4 года назад +3

    The list on the right takes too long to transition. Most of the time I pause the video, it's a mess.
    I suggest that you make it faster.

  • @ChagataiBorjigin
    @ChagataiBorjigin 2 года назад +2

    Khara Khitan is not Chinese. Mongolian Nomads.

  • @carolinamartez4822
    @carolinamartez4822 2 года назад +4

    Hi! What are your sources?

  • @xcl9189
    @xcl9189 6 месяцев назад +1

    not accurate at all , the biggest change in language around 400AC is not shown . the color should represent the language family not how the language is called

  • @3xx948
    @3xx948 3 года назад +3

    Some inaccuracies, but pretty well made overall

  • @indung-empire
    @indung-empire 26 дней назад

    old Wu in north Jiangsu/north Anhui/East Henan/south Shandong?🤣

  • @화이팅-t2q
    @화이팅-t2q 4 года назад +5

    great job!!
    you're amongst the best mappers.

    • @skazka3789
      @skazka3789 4 года назад +1

      @Yaqub The Thief Not true lol

    • @화이팅-t2q
      @화이팅-t2q 3 года назад

      @Yaqub The Thief
      there's theory that Silla king had a Xioungnu ancestry. but even if it's true, he must've been assimilated and mixed with Koreans. and no one is pure, we're all mixed to varying extent.

  • @ucchau173
    @ucchau173 Год назад +1

    Wrong ,china dominated vn 1000 year but their dont force people speak Chinese, vietnam people's at that time still speak vn language with 70% loan word comefrom Acient china ,that is the reason why vn language still exist till today ... Only the leader control vn at that time speak Chinese...

    • @linderoes7832
      @linderoes7832 Год назад +1

      The Old Chinese is the language of official,not common people

  • @주박-d7s
    @주박-d7s 4 года назад +4

    따끈따꾼한 최신영상이네요 ㅋㅋㅋ

  • @jaydenboots9383
    @jaydenboots9383 3 года назад +1

    Cantonese (Standard Cantonese)
    Classical Chinese
    Fuzhounese
    Hakka
    Hong Kong Cantonese
    Hong Kong Chinese (Guyou Chinese)
    Macanese Cantonese
    Mandarin Chinese (Standard Chinese)
    Malaysian Hokkien
    Middle Chinese
    Old Cantonese
    Old Chinese
    Old Shanghainese
    Phillipine Hokkien
    Putonghua (Beijing Dialect)
    Shanghainese
    Sichuanese Chinese
    Singaporean Chinese
    Singaporean Hokkien
    Taiwanese Chinese
    Taiwanese Hakka
    Taiwanese Hokkien
    Teochew
    Wenzhounese

  • @kungszigfrids1482
    @kungszigfrids1482 Год назад +1

    I wonder if the chinese was written phonetically would it still be just 1 language.

  • @안강현-u2e
    @안강현-u2e 3 года назад +8

    티벳어, 버마어 등 제외 중국어 계열만 다루셨네요. 중국-티벳어족 종합해서 다뤄주실 수 있나요?

  • @thestrongestmanintheworld
    @thestrongestmanintheworld 2 года назад +2

    2:49민어 등장
    3:48월어 등장

  • @adrianokemos
    @adrianokemos 3 года назад +6

    Your introduction is not accurate. I speak ningbo dialect if Wu language and most of our sentences are SOV. We only use SVO in declaratory sentences with one syllable verb and 1-2 syllable object. other declaratory sentences, negative and question always SOV.

  • @musculusmus9249
    @musculusmus9249 2 года назад +1

    Languages were depicted as within political boundaries and marked mostly by political events. Also, old Chinese was very unlikely to be unified. Almost certainly wrong, of 50% of the content.

    • @kungszigfrids1482
      @kungszigfrids1482 Год назад +1

      Yea but we dont know how it was devided so just accept it being showed as unified.

  • @zedz4397
    @zedz4397 3 года назад +1

    Southerners complaining about Mandarin, meh

  • @李白-f5u
    @李白-f5u 3 года назад +3

    @
    The Dragon Historian You might forgot the expansion of Sinitic languages in Southeast Asia!

    • @李白-f5u
      @李白-f5u 3 года назад +1

      Hope to see in your next version!

  • @정원혁-x2v
    @정원혁-x2v 4 года назад +6

    드디어 한장어족이군요!

    • @segru3558
      @segru3558 4 года назад +3

      이번엔 중국어파 언어들만 다루는 것 같네요.

  • @Basicaly-sf7zn
    @Basicaly-sf7zn 3 года назад +2

    *Bai said bai*

  • @Noobgrunt
    @Noobgrunt 3 года назад +2

    Next do tai - kadai language plese?

  • @mandarhyme8457
    @mandarhyme8457 4 года назад +1

    Why you only mark Hong basin the same color as whole empire while just mark Taedong and Yalu region with stripe
    during the Han ruling of modern northern Korean Peninsula around AD

    • @nn-qw7ws
      @nn-qw7ws 4 года назад +1

      I think he distinguishes Manchurian as a different language from the Sino-Tibetan languages. Mandarin is now used in Manchuria, but Manchurian was used until modern times(~19th century).

  • @ChuckleHoneybear
    @ChuckleHoneybear Год назад +1

    Cantonese be old af . Proud .

  • @corea359
    @corea359 2 года назад +1

    동호계 거란은 거란어가 따로 있었는데
    왜 빗금칠하여 표시하셨나요

    • @知-k3q
      @知-k3q Год назад +1

      Don't you understand the official language? Don't Koreans know that the Han aristocrats who ruled the Korean peninsula in 2000 have been talking about the Han nationality?😅You were ruled by the Han nationality for 2000 years, but you didn't rebel. The Han nationality prohibited you from owning the Han surname and learning Chinese characters to maintain the rule of the Han aristocracy. Instead, you forged the Han surname and family history after entering the modern era.😅

  • @BloxxterT
    @BloxxterT 4 года назад +2

    I have a question, How do you make your history videos?

  • @srliampham424
    @srliampham424 3 года назад +1

    Well, awsome video, let's check the DRAGONHISTORIAN time

  • @barrows34
    @barrows34 3 года назад +11

    I think the mandarin languaje in Lhasa or the chinese languages in Bangkok should be represented

    • @nehcooahnait7827
      @nehcooahnait7827 2 года назад +1

      As well as Dunggan in Central Asia.
      Wait I thought Chinese Thai don’t speak Chinese anymore…?

    • @b7076-y7x
      @b7076-y7x 2 года назад +1

      @@nehcooahnait7827 Teochew and Cantonese are still spoken by some.

    • @redhongkong
      @redhongkong Год назад

      are u talking about lhasa tibet after mongolian taking over? the "mandarin" mongolian use are only used by ruling class, didnt spread to peasants i believe? theres mixed Min,Yue,Hakka migration spreading dialets all over south east asia, but local didnt adopt the language i think. only vietnam adopted chinese system thruout the years?

    • @barrows34
      @barrows34 Год назад

      @@redhongkong no no. After the comunist chinese colonization

    • @barrows34
      @barrows34 Год назад

      @@redhongkong yes locals in bangkok dont adopted the cjinese languajes. But more of 40% of the popularion in Bangkok had chinese origns and speack this languajes. So there is a strong minority who must be reflected. In lhasa or urumqi, today, mandarin is more speacked than the native languajes

  • @Alsayid
    @Alsayid Год назад +1

    This makes me wonder what kind of languages were being spoken in the entire rest of what is now coastal China during the time Old Chinese was restricted to a small area south of Peking. Like, who lived in the area of Shanghai? And who lived in the area of Canton? Did they look very different from the people who live there now? Fascinating to ponder.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Год назад +1

      the area on the eastern coasts from yangtze to huai river and shandong peninsula had 夷 peoples known these days as dongyi, huaiyi, and nanyi. there is a chance that 夷 were the ancestors of proto-japonic but got conquered and people there gradually migrated both over the sea to southern korean peninsula and later japan, then those that stayed got assimilated and those that fled south to yangtze estuary became wu speakers, but the ancient people that lived in yangtze estuary were likely the proto-austro-tai speakers, which after being conquered, they gradually migrated southwards to the fukien coasts, the ones that stayed in yangtze estuary became wu speakers, the ones that migrated over the sea to taiwan became austronesian speakers, the ones that migrated further southwestwards were the tai-kra speakers, the ones that stayed in fujian became min speakers. the ones that lived in around canton in ancient times were probably the ancient proto-austroasiatic speakers at first, but then the ancient tai-kra peoples came which migrated further westwards later on following the rivers, which in medieval times when they hit yunnan and were near the mekong river, the tai speakers migrated southwards, the ones that stayed were groups like zhuang in guangxi and those that moved to hainan were be and hlai. inland areas of southern china where xiang, hakka, and gan now live, were likely the areas where hmong-mien and ancient proto-austroasiatic speakers lived. the ancient austroasiatics tho also lived in red river area during antiquities tho, but i think they had a bigger area they lived in southwest china too before, they later just spread through the rivers

    • @ekowijaya2928
      @ekowijaya2928 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@xXxSkyViperxXxcould you please provide the estimated time ( year bce or ce) of those migrations? Thank you.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@ekowijaya2928 many migrations in many different time periods. some still uncertain which time period exactly, but most of those occurred during BC times hence why they're mostly unrecorded. the recorded history tho for example, the southward expansion of the Han dynasty occurred around 200 BC and conquered the Minyue kingdom (334-111 BC) and Nanyue kingdom (204-111 BC) and Eastern Au (191-138 BC) and many other kingdoms and peoples of southeastern and southwestern china which most got conquered around 100 BC. the Dongyi and Huaiyi states tho got conquered earlier and there were multiple states as well. for example, 大彭 Great Peng got conquered around 1060 BC by Shang dynasty. 譚 Tan state existed from 1046 BC to 684 BC. 徐 Xu state succeeded 大彭 Great Peng but got conquered around 512 BC. 姑蔑國 Gumie got conquered around 480 BC. 莒國 Ju state got conquered at 431 BC. When those states existed, the Mumun pottery period in the Korean peninsula was also ending from 1500 BC to 300 BC. when both dongyi states finally got conquered and mumun pottery period ended in korean peninsula, mumun-style settlements appeared in northern kyushu in japan and it was the start of the Yayoi migrations into japan which is usually around 300 BC to 300 AD when japanese were just starting out as new peasants settling japan and intermarrying with older jomon pottery period people and earlier rare minatogawa man negrito people. for yangtze estuary people that were progenitor ancestors of Austro-Tai people living in yangtze estuary, see Hemudu culture (5500 BC to 3300 BC) very very old culture.

    • @SamZhang-o4m
      @SamZhang-o4m Месяц назад

      Kam-Tai(百越);Austroasiatic(百濮);Mainland Japanese(东夷);Tibetan-Burman (羌)

  • @cdur5091
    @cdur5091 4 года назад +1

    next do tibeto-burman
    after that start doing history in Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, East Timor, and Brunei

    • @captainch6182
      @captainch6182 4 года назад

      Christian Durr lol are you sure he can fit all of Tibeto-Birman in one video?

    • @cdur5091
      @cdur5091 4 года назад

      @@captainch6182 wdym

    • @captainch6182
      @captainch6182 4 года назад

      Christian Durr i mean it would be hard for him to fit all of tibeto-Burman in one video, because tibeto-Burman is just sino-Tibetan without the sinitic, it’s the rest of the language family. There’s no way he can fit the hundreds of languages in a video and give all of them justice

  • @aidenwinter1117
    @aidenwinter1117 3 года назад +2

    0:53
    *GREATER BYE*

  • @penki5509
    @penki5509 4 года назад +10

    4:53
    I thought Ba-Shu Chinese had disappeared because of the Zhang Xianzhong(張獻忠) massacre in 1640s, but it was disappearing before that?

    • @TheDragonHistorian
      @TheDragonHistorian  4 года назад +6

      Hm, you're probably right about that. I think that was a mistake on my part.

    • @hwasiaqhan8923
      @hwasiaqhan8923 4 года назад +12

      Zhang xianzhong didn’t massacre the Han people there, the Manchus did because Zhang’s forces and the local people put up a tough fight, so Manchus massacred people there as punishment, they did the same thing in Zhejiang, Guangdong, Liaodong, Datong etc.

    • @hwasiaqhan8923
      @hwasiaqhan8923 3 года назад +6

      @abdsf eufa No, that’s manchu’s version of distorted history. The Manchus conducted genocide in all parts of China, most severely in Sichuan due to the locals tough resistance and heavy casualties inflicted on to the Manchus.

    • @Innomenatus
      @Innomenatus 3 года назад +1

      @@TheDragonHistorian Not to mention that the Minjiang dialect (of Sichuanese) may be a remnant of Ba-Shu Chinese.

    • @hliow2899
      @hliow2899 3 года назад +2

      Ming Mandarin had already replaced most of pashu Chinese during Ming due to immigration; the massacre that happened around 張獻忠's time (whoever did it) resulted in another round of immigration but did not introduced Mandarin for the first time.

  • @ITRPD1
    @ITRPD1 4 года назад +1

    24th like

  • @សុខចន្ទរត្តន
    @សុខចន្ទរត្តន 2 года назад +2

    Wu , Yue and Bai born from austroasitic family they are not sinitic china

    • @hagongda123
      @hagongda123 Год назад

      lol, from your wishful dream

    • @minitetourou8744
      @minitetourou8744 10 месяцев назад

      lol,Bai language is Sino-Tibetan language, and ancient Wu language is Dong-Tai language.

  • @joaquinalfajor4386
    @joaquinalfajor4386 3 года назад +1

    Touba:Came Chinese Languages: Hahaha I Stil Exist

  • @yifu100
    @yifu100 3 года назад +1

    Wu Chinese is the most soft and comfortable Sinitic language among all of them, most Chinese agree me.

  • @답글달아도안읽음
    @답글달아도안읽음 3 года назад +1

    중국사람들에 의하면 지역끼리 다 말이 불통하는데도 왜 저렇게 나누지 않고 그걸 다 같은 '중국어'로 묶어버리는건지;;;

    • @TheDragonHistorian
      @TheDragonHistorian  3 года назад +5

      언어와 방언을 구별하는 기준은 과학적이 아니라 정치적이기 때문입니다. 서로 전혀 알아들을 수 없는 중국어파 언어들을 "중국어"의 방언이라고 분류하는 경우가 있는가 하면, 100년 전만 해도 힌두스탄어라는 하나의 언어였던 힌디어와 우르두어는 인도와 파키스탄의 분단이라는 정치적 이유로 별개 언어로 분류되었습니다.
      이 외에도 사실상 같은 어족의 다른 언어이지만 한국어의 방언으로 분류되는 제주어, 일본어의 방언으로 분류되는 각종 류큐어파 언어들, 그리고 원래 같은 언어이지만 국경 차이로 서로 다른 언어가 되어버린 세르비아어, 보스니아어와 크로아티아어가 있습니다.
      닉과는 달리 이 답글은 읽으셨으면 좋겠네요

    • @kiwoonohanbmusicdance4573
      @kiwoonohanbmusicdance4573 3 года назад +2

      "언어란 군대를 가진 방언이다" 라는 말도 있지않습니까 ㅎㅎ...극단적인 예로 세르비아어 크로아티아어 보스니아어 몬테네그로어는 다 같은 언어지만 각각의 군대를 가지고 있으므로 각기 명칭을 가지고 있지요

  • @matthewmann8969
    @matthewmann8969 4 года назад +2

    And Han Chinese is the most dominant

    • @Weeping-Angel
      @Weeping-Angel 2 года назад +1

      Yep. All these languages are all Han Chinese languages

  • @bhagatchingsubam
    @bhagatchingsubam 3 года назад +1

    I'm now interested in Bai

  • @RobotDiamond682
    @RobotDiamond682 3 года назад +1

    China (France) (Asia)

  • @enochchung6029
    @enochchung6029 4 года назад +2

    Love your vids! Keep up the great work!

  • @haruzanfuucha
    @haruzanfuucha 3 года назад +2

    RIP BA-SHU CHINESE

    • @Innomenatus
      @Innomenatus 3 года назад

      Ba-Shu Chinese might be still alive in Sichuan as the Minjiang dialect, as those regions remained relatively guarded from invasions. The Minjiang dialect also has a dialect island further north of it's center, possibly inicating that it once was dominant over Sichuan.

    • @waderjander1135
      @waderjander1135 Год назад

      岷江话基本上和古蜀语没什么联系了

  • @김이박-u8t
    @김이박-u8t 3 года назад +2

    영상 감사합니당

  • @hermannboyen5392
    @hermannboyen5392 3 года назад +4

    People in Jiaozhi (north Vietnam) anyway didnt speak Chinese. It was only the minorities of Chinese officials and sinicized elites.

  • @Lunariant
    @Lunariant 3 года назад +4

    I know that you only want to show Sinitic languages, but doing so risks misleading the viewer into thinking that the white spaces on the map were uninhabited. In reality there were people living in many of those white spaces. When these areas were settled by speakers of Sinitic languages, the native peoples were often assimilated, expelled or killed, such as with the Yue people in the south. One reason why the languages there became so distinct from Old Chinese is because of contact with the languages that were already spoken there and in neighbouring areas. In linguistics this is called a substrate.
    Furthermore, it is thought that so-called Middle Chinese pronunciations did not belong to one dialect but were a standardised set of prescribed pronunciations. Scholars believe that these pronunciations came from a range of dialects or languages, likely chosen for their rhyme aesthetics. These standardised Middle Chinese character readings as written in the Qieyun were prescribed for officials from all over East Asia to use as a Lingua Franca. The actual pronunciations that laypeople spoke are unknown and most likely varied considerably between north and south.

  • @空窗期-i9r
    @空窗期-i9r Год назад

    Old Chinese language isn’t nowadays Chinese language, but all of them use same writing only.

  • @suhnih4076
    @suhnih4076 7 месяцев назад

    "How many languages do you want"
    China: yes

  • @lumoswolume4039
    @lumoswolume4039 3 года назад +1

    🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

  • @Alsayid
    @Alsayid Год назад +1

    Also notice how Chinese was expanding a lot at about the same time Latin was expanding greatly in Europe. An interesting parallel.

  • @jeykies3745.
    @jeykies3745. 3 года назад +1

    that’s a lotta languages

  • @lancelott36
    @lancelott36 2 года назад

    I'm bodo kachari people from northeast india i also speak in sino tibetan Burmese language family ..

  • @Thecognoscenti_1
    @Thecognoscenti_1 4 года назад +1

    終於

  • @larshofler8298
    @larshofler8298 3 года назад +5

    Sinitic languages don't always follow subject-verb-object order, it can be subject-object-verb or even verb-object-subject

    • @zhengyunli800
      @zhengyunli800 2 года назад

      True, but subject-verb-object order is the only correct form in writing.

    • @itshry
      @itshry Год назад +1

      Yes, Thats what I learned, such as
      我吃饭了
      我把饭吃了
      饭我吃了
      But most case is S V O

    • @larshofler8298
      @larshofler8298 Год назад +1

      @@itshry Depending on which language. The most common Sinitic language is Mandarin, which is the one most people learn and know as "Chinese". In Mandarin, it is definitely SVO. I'm not familiar with other Sinitics, but I know in Wu language, SOV seems to be more common.

  • @Jay-uu5lu
    @Jay-uu5lu 2 года назад

    Wouldnt the yupik language also count since it was spoken in the east of russia which borders china and also it's the only language known for being spoken by the people who crossed the bearing straight that then became eskimos and then native americans

  • @krikri5254
    @krikri5254 2 года назад +1

    0:15

  • @eduardoADSL
    @eduardoADSL 4 года назад +1

    很棒

  • @altaiccultureandlanguage6184
    @altaiccultureandlanguage6184 4 года назад +2

    Nice video 👍👍👍
    What time do you video about Turkic language?

  • @LaunchKaffee
    @LaunchKaffee 2 года назад +5

    It is interesting to see that even though the Manchus conquered China and thought that they were superior to Chinese culture and even blocked Chinese people to move into Manchuria, to see that even then that didn't stop the sinicization of the Manchus.

    • @tiongkueng
      @tiongkueng 2 года назад +3

      in the late qing dynasty chinese were allowed to move to manchuria. there were huge migrations from north-eastern china proper to manchuria at that time,which is why the majority group in nowadays manchuria is significantly han.

    • @LaunchKaffee
      @LaunchKaffee 2 года назад +2

      @@tiongkueng You are right. Chinese history is so fascinating, just a shame that today, china is ruled by the CCP, at least there is still a beautiful Taiwan

    • @user-qwertyuiopasdfghj
      @user-qwertyuiopasdfghj Год назад

      Because they were incompetent and were unable to defend Russia Giving the land to Han people is better than losing the land to Russians. How many indigenous faces can you see in Vladivostok

  • @VOONKHONGLEW
    @VOONKHONGLEW Год назад

    like the fact that malaysia and singapore are included

  • @johnwu1907
    @johnwu1907 3 года назад +2

    History shows that Mongolia beijing dialect or mandarin eradicate the pure chinese pronunciation

    • @lilithshopping7904
      @lilithshopping7904 3 года назад

      which one of the colorful rainbow patches is "pure"?

  • @Moebius-cm7bt
    @Moebius-cm7bt 4 месяца назад

    I

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 3 года назад +15

    Add: Bashu chinese appeared too early. It formed after Western han dynasty. Old shu state (Sanxingdui and Jinsha civilization) in pre-Qin dynasty period should speak a Tibeto-Burman language which is probably connected with Qiangic or Loloish. Some Qiangic peoples used to live in current Chengdu plain(eastern Sichuan province). Looking forward to the history of Tibeto-burman languages :)

    • @ruatapachuauruatapachuau9116
      @ruatapachuauruatapachuau9116 2 года назад

      I am a Tibeto-Burman. 😑😑👍. And from this video I had made a conclusion now that I am the descendants of Vietnamese and Old Chinese and Nepali. As it is just like my DNA.

    • @shanghainesetv3992
      @shanghainesetv3992 2 года назад

      During Han dynasty, there is a book about different languages and dialects , where 方 means a region or country. Though it’s old Chinese but we might also be able do divide it to several different dialects or even languages.
      During this video I didn’t see 幽燕 Yan or 朝鮮 Korean Chinese. Maybe more research can be done. Also for many times it happens that different nationalities stay in the same region, and we can also clarify this co-existence.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад

      @@shanghainesetv3992 Yan or Youyan(燕/幽燕) Chinese is possibly included in Old Chinese in this video.
      Korean Chinese? Do you mean Rangrang (락랑) language?I consider that Rangrang could be a Koreanic language, not a Chinese dialect. Majority of inhabitants in Korean Peninsula spoke Koreanic and minority spoke Japonic languages during Qin-Han period.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 2 года назад +3

      @@shanghainesetv3992 Additionally, Chu or Jing(楚/荊) Chinese should be independent from Old Chinese just like Bashu or Wu dialect. It was different from standard Old Chinese or Yayan (雅言) in terms of vocabulary and pronunciation, and some relevant literature works such as Li Sao (離騷,"the Lament") is significantly different from Shi Jing(詩經,"the Book of Songs")in literary style. It is impossible that they were written in the same language.

    • @shanghainesetv3992
      @shanghainesetv3992 2 года назад

      I mean the criteria should be the same regarding to the co-existence of languages. For example in the video ‘Eastern Han Chinese’ really covers all the areas on the map?
      The Han Chinese government only controlled the cities along the rivers south to Yangtze River. Most of people are still local nationalities speaking their own languages including Kra-Dai, Miao-Yao etc.
      Vietnam and Korea is a good example. The only difference is Vietnam got independence and the local national language become official language, even it absorbed 60% Sinitic vocabularies.

  • @inuken9561
    @inuken9561 3 года назад

    Why not zoom in on China? Its hard to look for details

  • @conho4898
    @conho4898 4 года назад +4

    It would be interesting if you've added Annamese Chinese.