He's correct tho. The pitch is called that because it falls off the table just like my Gyro does at 3:30 in the morning when I've had too much to drink.
@@JustinJetsProdz the knuckle ball is literally the hardest pitch to throw since you're doing the complete opposite of any other pitch. Don't know what you're on
@@coreychitwood4968 you’re both right. He grips it like a change up but he pronates his wrist while throwing it, which would make it a screwball. It’s a unique hybrid pitch.
I’m a terrible pitcher and I’m better in the outfield but I just converted from changeup to palmball and there was this kid who I faced 4 times before and he had 3 homers off me and the other was a double but I struck him out on 3 straight palm balls
@@greglindgren8197you’ll last a lot longer in the mlb giving up doubles with palm balls than striking out batters with slurves and gyros “These pitches are not meant to be thrown by humans and destroy arms, why don’t pitchers throw them anymore?”
Phil and Joe Niekro were the greatest knuckleball throwers in my lifetime. I remember the catchers would actually switch gloves to one that was larger in diameter to have a chance at catching that pitch when either brother took the mound. Phil used that pitch for 310+ wins and a spot in Cooperstown while Joe added another 220+ making the two brothers the winniest brothers in baseball history. That makes the Knuckleball the greatest rare pitch in baseball imo.
@@livefrom201 Which would be fine, except I think it's named for the gyroscope. /Complete aside... I think the word 'hero', when it's used for a sub sandwich, probably comes from gyros.
Slurve: many pitchers have this but they call it whatever that want. Sweeping curve, looping slider, even most normal curves are closer to slurves Screwball: there’s a stigma around this pitch due to injuries that are probably unrelated but many high spin rate change ups such as Devin Williams are thrown as screwballs but aren’t called it because of the stigma
In high school a left handed friend threw the nastiest screwball. Umpires would not call it a strike because of the end was about 6 inches away but it crossed the plate in strike zone.
The "gyroball" has been used by many MLB pitchers all the way back to the 40's/50's. Heck, I used it in High School as a sinker. It's just a pitch with bullet spin on it. It used to be called a backed up slider (since one way to get that spin is to really screw up the release on a slider.) It looks like a straight change with a little extra velocity which seems to fall off the table just before reaching the plate.
Phil and Joe Niekro were the greatest knuckleball throwers in my lifetime. I remember the catchers would actually switch gloves to one that was larger in diameter to have a chance at catching that pitch when either brother took the mound. Phil used that pitch for 310+ wins and a spot in Cooperstown while Joe added another 220+ making the two brothers the winniest brothers in baseball history. That makes the Knuckleball the greatest rare pitch in baseball imo.
I remember watching Dontrelle Willis for the Florida Marlins. He was the first pitcher I had ever seen throw a slurve. He was also left handed. That's one NASTY pitch!
Any variation of a circle change could be considered such. That pitch was invented to replace the screwball as it has a decent amount of movement toward the the pitchers pitching arm side.
To me these were the screwball pitching masters ... in the 1960s thru the '70s Mike Cuellar, Mike Marshall and Jim Brewer ,and in the 1980s Tug McGraw , Fernando Valenzuela & Mike Norris were the kings of the SB 👍
I feel like a lot of pitchers throw slurves. They’re just typically called sliders or curves depending on what the pitcher decides they’re most like to them. I think the forkball is less common than slurves as well as the knuckleball.
To me the movement just depends on the arm slot. If I’m just throwing normally it’s more of a 12-6 but if I throw it like 3/4 it moves more like a slurve
The slerve is what I threw all through highschool to save my arm for college - I had 0 issue using it - except there were some good batters that could spot it quick, in those instances, I'd bring out the junk. Damn I miss baseball...
I hope some 10 year old kid sees this video and masters all of these pitches and in 10 years we get to see him make his MLB debut. I mean he'll probably be out a career with Tommy John after like 2 years, but that'll be a really fun 2 years.
Actually what Daisuke did is what we now call a gyro spin slider. Its used by a ton of pitchers. With the slurve I think statcast etc. classify it as either a curve or slider quite often in cases where we would just call it a slurve 20 years ago
The thing about screw is that it is often considered more of a change up rather than screw ball itself, so I do think some pitchers still throw that ball(a lot of Japanese side throwers throw this ball) . Same with slurve, I feel like people just call it slider (a variant).
Cap. It anything it's the same pain as a fastball. It's a changeup with the same arm action as a fastball. It would hurt the pinky, ring, and thumb fingers if it was harmful.
A lot of these pitches are still around they are just modified. Ex. Screwball: pronated changeups, (Trevor Richards) Slurve: sweepers and non bullet spin sliders (Jose Berrios) and Gyro Balls: Bullet spin traditional sliders (Kevin Ginkel)
There are probably a lot of reason why the slurve isn't thrown as commonly compared to how common it was in the past. Prone to injury or the expected break the pitch is know to do. Like a slider, the ball breaks in a similar way to a curveball, however the downside is how much break the pitch has. Also, it is really difficult to throw unless you have the right mechanics and grip for it
I miss the screwball. That had such insane movement.
Devin Williams throws one he just calls it something else because the screwball has a bad reputation with injuries so he calls it an airbender
more like insanely broken wrists
@@jackweber3660 he's just able to pronate his wrist naturally like that.
@@donnyboyo32 he calls it circle change because he use circle change grip. …But we all know its a screwball hes throwing
Screwballs are just bad for your arm because of the direction you have to spin it
Did you really pronounce gyroball like a flippin' Greek sandwich?
The first time it needs to be pronounced like it's spelled
He's correct tho. The pitch is called that because it falls off the table just like my Gyro does at 3:30 in the morning when I've had too much to drink.
@@richard_njBest opinion 🤣🤣🤣
@@richard_nj this comment wins
Yeah he did. The kid isn’t that bright
That last screwball pitch of this video was absolutely sick!😮
Agree! It looked fake. The others didn’t have much movement.
That last pitch was a splitter
Trick or camera angle
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@@JustinJetsProdz yes and no to get good movement and accuracy it can be very hard
@@JustinJetsProdzis that why no one throws it and when someone does do it well they're damn near unhittable?
Of course it left the chat. Nobody knows where it will end up
@@JustinJetsProdz the knuckle ball is literally the hardest pitch to throw since you're doing the complete opposite of any other pitch. Don't know what you're on
@@JustinJetsProdz what team do you pitch for?
I love how you pronounced "gyro" like the Greek sandwich 😂
making me hungry rn 😂
Really not gonna five credit to bill lee for the eephus?
I don't
Devin Williams uses the screwball a lot. Good with it too
It’s a change up
@@coreychitwood4968 you’re both right. He grips it like a change up but he pronates his wrist while throwing it, which would make it a screwball. It’s a unique hybrid pitch.
@@dergin38467 everyone pronates their change up bro that’s how you’re supposed to throw it
Alternate title: Top 5 best Baseball 9 pitches
The circle and Vulcan change up also aren’t there😭😭😭😭😭
So true 😂
Yeah, Circle Change is my favorite, the break is a chefs kiss, and i guess eephus is next best.
As a person who throws a palmball, it is indeed a pitch of all time
Palm was easy doubles
@@greglindgren8197 nah…just bad pitchers
I’m a terrible pitcher and I’m better in the outfield but I just converted from changeup to palmball and there was this kid who I faced 4 times before and he had 3 homers off me and the other was a double but I struck him out on 3 straight palm balls
@@greglindgren8197you’ll last a lot longer in the mlb giving up doubles with palm balls than striking out batters with slurves and gyros
“These pitches are not meant to be thrown by humans and destroy arms, why don’t pitchers throw them anymore?”
Man thought he was being culturally sensitive by pronouncing the Gyro ball like that xD
Right? Letting the internet make him sound a dummy.
@gavril0_princip117 I mean, it's not the hardest word to pronounce 😆
Tug McGraw had a killer screwball back in the 70s & 80s. When on it was unhittable.
Zack Greinke used the eephus pitch last year. Video games even have that as one of his pitches
Fernando made living on that pitch. Had a chance to see him pitch in Mexico, the crowd went crazy with each K. It was an awesome game.
Phil & Joe Niekro threw the knuckleball well into their 40’s. Phil retired at 48 and is in Cooperstown!!!!
You can basically have an entire baseball career just based off of the knuckle ball
Even win the occasional Cy Young.
Mickey Janis
@@Bruh1ra dickey
That last screw was filthy dirty😮
100%. The others were ordinary.
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Gauseman has rejuvenated it
The knuckle ball is the best pitch ever that nobody throws anymore.
NCST pitcher Andrew Shaffer throws a nasty slurve and knuckleball
Only 2 have ever won a cy young with it
Yeah catchers hated that throw. They don't know where it's going😅 shot even the Pitcher is unsure
Bob Uecker: "The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until it stops rolling and then pick it up." 😂
Phil and Joe Niekro were the greatest knuckleball throwers in my lifetime. I remember the catchers would actually switch gloves to one that was larger in diameter to have a chance at catching that pitch when either brother took the mound. Phil used that pitch for 310+ wins and a spot in Cooperstown while Joe added another 220+ making the two brothers the winniest brothers in baseball history. That makes the Knuckleball the greatest rare pitch in baseball imo.
G...G....Gyro... Not Euro...! Give Matsusaka some respect!!😊😅
He’s pronouncing it like the sandwich 🤦🏻♂️
@@livefrom201 Which would be fine, except I think it's named for the gyroscope.
/Complete aside... I think the word 'hero', when it's used for a sub sandwich, probably comes from gyros.
Forkball? That was insane
Senga has a good one
RIP Roy.
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Slurve: many pitchers have this but they call it whatever that want. Sweeping curve, looping slider, even most normal curves are closer to slurves
Screwball: there’s a stigma around this pitch due to injuries that are probably unrelated but many high spin rate change ups such as Devin Williams are thrown as screwballs but aren’t called it because of the stigma
Can you explain the gyro ball? Looks like a standard sinker/split-finger to me.
In high school a left handed friend threw the nastiest screwball. Umpires would not call it a strike because of the end was about 6 inches away but it crossed the plate in strike zone.
I remember Kent Tekulve’s submarine pitch and the crazy movement that it had.
The "gyroball" has been used by many MLB pitchers all the way back to the 40's/50's. Heck, I used it in High School as a sinker. It's just a pitch with bullet spin on it. It used to be called a backed up slider (since one way to get that spin is to really screw up the release on a slider.) It looks like a straight change with a little extra velocity which seems to fall off the table just before reaching the plate.
Phil and Joe Niekro were the greatest knuckleball throwers in my lifetime. I remember the catchers would actually switch gloves to one that was larger in diameter to have a chance at catching that pitch when either brother took the mound. Phil used that pitch for 310+ wins and a spot in Cooperstown while Joe added another 220+ making the two brothers the winniest brothers in baseball history. That makes the Knuckleball the greatest rare pitch in baseball imo.
The screwball is what gives Devin Williams the nickname "The Airbender." It's definitely fun watching him go to work when he's got a good feel for it
I remember watching Dontrelle Willis for the Florida Marlins. He was the first pitcher I had ever seen throw a slurve. He was also left handed. That's one NASTY pitch!
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I’d consider Devin Williams “Change up” a screwball.
Any variation of a circle change could be considered such. That pitch was invented to replace the screwball as it has a decent amount of movement toward the the pitchers pitching arm side.
He actually has a screwball and a changeup two separate pitches
@@donnyboyo32That's just in MLB the Show. In real life, it's only one pitch.
Yup
I was about to say this
That palm ball must be really nasty to have Chipper Jones so crossed up in that 2nd clip
I used to throw this pitch in high school, my teammates would call it the Skittles pitch cuz the batters would Taste the rainbow lol
To me these were the screwball pitching masters ... in the 1960s thru the '70s Mike Cuellar, Mike Marshall and Jim Brewer ,and in the 1980s Tug McGraw , Fernando Valenzuela & Mike Norris were the kings of the SB 👍
Yes, and honorable mention to Greg Maddux's 2 seamer which was basically a screwball.
@@PBLeagues22 I agree 👍
@@PBLeagues22wrong
I feel like a lot of pitchers throw slurves. They’re just typically called sliders or curves depending on what the pitcher decides they’re most like to them. I think the forkball is less common than slurves as well as the knuckleball.
Exactly, they just don't call it a slurve. I see a lot of emphasis on hard, sharp sliders
To me the movement just depends on the arm slot. If I’m just throwing normally it’s more of a 12-6 but if I throw it like 3/4 it moves more like a slurve
They're called "sweepers" now
Slurve was just a lazy CB with no bite
Daniel Ray Herrera was a lefty around like 5’7” who threw a screwball about 10 years ago in the MLB. Then he got arrested for something.
Used a palm ball my entire career through college
Pitchers don’t use the Screwball anymore because it does massive damage to your arm over a very short period of time.
Actually pitchers that have used it throw like 200 innings
@@StairSliderRealyeah its all in the mechanics. Pitchers just aren't conditioning to go past 6 for every start.
Screwball doesn't mess up your arm lol its very similar to a change up
No knuckle ball?
The Yankees’ Steve Hamilton and the “Folly Floater”!😂😂😂
The slerve is what I threw all through highschool to save my arm for college - I had 0 issue using it - except there were some good batters that could spot it quick, in those instances, I'd bring out the junk.
Damn I miss baseball...
I'd love to see the screwball make a comeback, it could really help pitchers because of the backwards break
Brent Honeywell Jr throws it
What about the knucleball?
Charlie Hough !!
True the knuckleball is not too popular, but the video was clear that he was naming *the rarest* so the knuckler shouldn't be on the list.
@@donarthiazi2443 you definitely see more slurve pitchers than knuckleballers
@@isaacwimett2846
I completely agree 👍
the knuckleball is overrated honestly, i guess it’s good for weak grounders
Tim waks knuckle was insane
That last pitch was wild
To those of us that didn't know these pitches.
Would just think they were just your typical pitches. But as a Dodgers fan. I knew about the screwball.
Yes only Dodgers fans knew about it
What was the last scene of the screwball? It looks insane coming off his arm Jesus
That last pitch was insane
The reason some of these breaking pitches aren't used so much anymore is because they absolutely wreck your arm
Ah, Fernando "Eyes to the Heavens" Valenzuela!
Thank you bro
Was thinking the same…sooo good, sooo young
Fun times
Man was making us 5'11 dudes look good
Gaylord Perry is like, "Where is my spitball?"
Screwball was the reason i blew my arm out in high school.
I dunno what a yuro ball is but a gyro ( Jai-row) ball is super effective.
Yeah we aren’t talking Greek food here lol
I hope some 10 year old kid sees this video and masters all of these pitches and in 10 years we get to see him make his MLB debut.
I mean he'll probably be out a career with Tommy John after like 2 years, but that'll be a really fun 2 years.
That’s me see you in 10 years
Knuckleball : "Am I a joke to you?"
Bill Lee is still throwin the eephus with the Savannah Bananas
Unless you just "got it" a screwball is an elbow destroyer
It's been proven that's a myth. No more harmful than normal curveball.
@@unkledoda420 I can throw both pitches along with a decent slider
@@unkledoda420wrong
Actually what Daisuke did is what we now call a gyro spin slider. Its used by a ton of pitchers. With the slurve I think statcast etc. classify it as either a curve or slider quite often in cases where we would just call it a slurve 20 years ago
I have never seen anyone get the speed and movement that Mariano Rivera's did. It actually defied the laws of physics IMO.
They stopped using the screwball because it tears up your elbow. John Franco used to throw it for the Mets.
The thing about screw is that it is often considered more of a change up rather than screw ball itself, so I do think some pitchers still throw that ball(a lot of Japanese side throwers throw this ball) . Same with slurve, I feel like people just call it slider (a variant).
Vulcan changeup?
Dave Giusti , reliever for the Pirates, pre Tekulve, had a KILLER Palm Ball.
Don't remember anyone using it as regular part of his repitoire.
Bob Stanley
Dodger reliever Mike Marshall threw a really lethal screwgy back in the mid-70's also.
Screwball destroys your elbow. That’s why it’s very rare now.
The palm ball is believed to have caused a slew of pitchers to need Tommy John surgery
Cap. It anything it's the same pain as a fastball. It's a changeup with the same arm action as a fastball. It would hurt the pinky, ring, and thumb fingers if it was harmful.
I've never heard that about the palmball before (heard it about the screwball, but that bullshit too).
There wa the fork ball too
Oh wrong
Yes fork ball too. You never hear about them anymore. Now Pivetta is throwing something called a swoop(?)
Bro predicted the sweeper
Bob Stanley = palm ball… basically a sinker change. Then he pitched it to mookie Wilson in ‘86 and I cried for a week
Tug McGraw made the screwball famous in the 70's before Valenzuela.
Forkball and Vulcan change are barely talked about nowadays.
A lot of these pitches are still around they are just modified. Ex. Screwball: pronated changeups, (Trevor Richards) Slurve: sweepers and non bullet spin sliders (Jose Berrios) and Gyro Balls: Bullet spin traditional sliders (Kevin Ginkel)
Ngl when I would play old MLB games the eephus was always in my lineup, it was always a favorite
Would be nice to have an explanation about what defines these pitches or how they're thrown (grip, spin, speed, release, etc.)
Those were great pitches! I wish more knuckleball pitchers were out there and could make it thru to be seen.
Awesome. Thank you for making this video and highlighting these amazing pitches.
Reason people don’t throw slurves as much is because it’s a much harder pitch to master than a normal curveball
Wrong it has no bite like a frisbee
Senior' Smokes screwball was absolutely filthy
There's probably half a dozen modern changeups that move more than any screwball ever did
The slurve is now the sweeper.
Knuckle ball:am I a go to you!?!
Screwball was hell on the arm. I remember Bryn Smith of the Expos threw a good palm ball
That last pitch was absolute filth
Dave Stewart and with his forkball was insane.
That last screwball looked more like an mirrored slider
Except for the eephus the rest all looked the same to me 😂 😂
Most of these pitches make ur hands look like they throwing up gang signs
Fun Fact: The screwball is still used to this day in Wii Sports baseball 😂
Bro just named almost all my favorite baseball 9 pitches 💀
I love throwing the screwball mixed w sweeping curve to my friends, expect it to break to the right then it either just drops or goes to the keft
Valenzuela was awesome. I loved watching him growing up.
Bro used a change up as an example for a screwball at the end
This needs an update to add Senga’s “ghost” forkball. Probably the most dominant pitch this past season.
Knuckleball be watching this at home, crying in his bathrobe while eating a tub of ice cream,, wondering why he didn't make the list.
Devin Williams technically throws a screwball
When i make a pitcher in mlb the show, my 5 pitches 4 seam fastball, cutter, screwball, slurve, and palmball.
Darvish throws two on this list, the slurve and the eephus. He had an arsenal of 9 pitches when came to the MLB, but they made him drop many.
As a non baseball fan, the last 4 all look the exact same to me 💀
There are probably a lot of reason why the slurve isn't thrown as commonly compared to how common it was in the past. Prone to injury or the expected break the pitch is know to do. Like a slider, the ball breaks in a similar way to a curveball, however the downside is how much break the pitch has. Also, it is really difficult to throw unless you have the right mechanics and grip for it
Slurve is thrown by a ton of pitchers today. They just call it a curveball, and it usually gets picked up as a curveball by the analytics.
That last pitch was wildsd
Love Halliday’ palm ball