Who to govern France? No clear majority as voters thwart far-right surge • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- This time, the polls got it wrong. The French stared at the prospect of a far-right win and despite the start of summer vacation voted in their greatest numbers since 1981 to stop that populist surge. Instead, a left-wing alliance cobbled together three weeks ago after President Emmanuel Macron's shock dissolution of parliament now boasts the largest bloc.
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where is the right wing in your debates?
Nothing changes, if nothing changes!
Well thats at least better then destruction by the left.
Far right far right blah blah
Perhaps people "feel insecure" because they ARE insecure.
France 🇫🇷 is so complicated
Hearing them 'debate' in English is a riot!
In England and France prepare for the mayhem and increasing discontent!
You're saying the far righties are sore losers? I suppose so, if Trump is anything to go by.
Yes! Let's do ittttt
I think it’s amusing that the average right wing person hates the left so much. The left is their best chance at improving their quality of life in retirement. Unless they are ultra wealthy, the left will improve their lives. The right wants to remove all the benefits and continue to tax the poor exorbitantly. The right wants to prop up monarchs in all but name.
Yeah, from within the ranks of the (political) far-right; how typical of them 😬
The correct question is who to serve as the representatives of people are not their masters.
I mean this isn't that bad after all. I mean marine le pen got highest votes with almost 10million votes if they try the next elections is there's all they need to do is continue raising muslim issues in france and start showing mirrors to the leftists for the damage they have caused
What damage?
@@AA-vr8ezexactly, what seems to be the majority left voters in Paris are burning down the city when the lose **and** when they win
@@AA-vr8ez highest vote share is a minority views in France? What else can we expect from you guys. Kiddo you must study hard. Ok? Send uncle carrie for a better argument
@@AA-vr8ezthen France is truly lost
Learn to not start every sentence with 'I mean'. At least when you're typing for god's sake
coalitions aside, the RN *is* the single party w/ most seats
It’s literally not. It has the third most seats, not second and definitely not most
You can console the PiS in Poland with the very same message. They failed to find coalition partners to govern the country with.
Nope
True but they have a lot of work to do to convince voters to give them anything close to 289 next time
@@spg5658 a super majority would be great.
Democrcy is useless if seats choose the winner 😂
Next time they should just stop voting and let the seats do it
Why did they give a random liberal writer an equal position talking here as actual elected officials.
The panel should have included someone from the National Rally. To not is to be unfair to them as the other panelists take pot shots against them and they are not able to defend themselves.
They were too busy crying and blaming each other for their defeat. Le Pen was trying to cheer up her sister that failed, so she could not join either...
@@Trihahalos Nah the media is complicit, nothing more
@@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 Were you crying too?
@@Trihahalos You need to learn a new comeback you little imbecile
@@Trihahalos Learn a new comeback little one
I LOVE this channel. So slick. So professional. So informative. Well done to everyone involved.
Form over substance.
Laura Kuessenberg's BBC Sunday program by comparison appears biased towards one party, and far too opinionated comments.This is how a panel debate ought to be led.
@@anitaitisanita8549 so where is the right wing in this debate?
@@anitaitisanita8549 Totally agree!
Macron ties with le pen bcus you put france in this situation
Why can the French not see that they're being played in this giant global game?!?!?!?!
The same reason the US people can't see. Because they have been fooled by the media and the deep state.
I was already wondering what kept you conspiracy theorists from chiming in.
Cuz you're getting replaced. Just suck it up.
@@peabase happens the be true. Pour in more immigrants and lefty freaks to vote against the imaginary fascists
Right wingers love the global market too. If France could only supply and sell to the French, then the nation would be broke in six months.
I must admit at least the French talk to each other and debate, and honestly too, it seems. Very refreshing but a frustrating result. Thanks.
Yes, it’s easy to talk when you invite four people with the exact same or very similar political views
@@Agtsmirnoff that’s right!
Frustrating that the RN didn't get fewer seats and that RN voters are that ignorant and that everyone is getting duped by corporations.
With so many heads logging in this Left coalition, nothing will get done.
Because all they gonna do is debate.
how is this a debate? they never have any right wing commentators , its a sham
Olski lookalike Sandra Bullock moi fav hollywood actress.
She was nice in Speed 🚌 🙍♀️
I like that little French girl that's on this always looks in a huff and thinks everyone is so rude ! She's in the Macron party. So pretty yet so nieve. Such a cutie 💓
Man media just can’t seem to get it right…. Weird
Whoops, the far left isn't going to play ball...
Yeah France didn't really solve anything. The issues that made Le Pen popular in the first place still exist, and will just get worse. The voters did nothing.
How many tax loopholes do the rich get in France compared to the poor? Or is it a flat tax...
Every rich person has not only loopholes, but the basis of capitalism is hoarding profits and assets on the backs of the people, using divisive manipulation and fear and hate.
I would argue their tax system is more balanced than most but there are still loopholes and many wealthy French people have their capital hidden overseas. They have some of the highest taxes in the world.
So, are these representatives from all political parties (ideologies) for balance?
France is in a little more chaos today than yesterday - nothing new in that.
You have a left-centre-left government, don't you? France will have a bit of far left and a lot more centre thrown in, which means a somewhat wider sample of the political spectrum, but it's all doable if they put their differences aside. A solid coalition agreement will do it.
He is doing not bad. Why did he give up?
One thing for sure for me, I would have hated to have a far right prime minister, but I would hate as well to have Mélenchon as prime minister. He has the seed of a dictator. And I voted for the left
This is the kind of political panel worth watching!
Surely it is a matter of being honest. The data must be kept and be available as to who are committing crimes and attacking women. Put that out there ,that it is very clear ,where the lack of security is coming from?
Boyfriends, husbands, and other family members do the most attacks on women.
I dont understand! Le pen was getting something around the same vote but then it waz going to be hope of stability in the country. Media should cut the double talk. People have spoken. Behave well!
It's time for everyone to grow up. We have stared down the barrel and there is no other option but govern responsibly
Who governed responsibly, this state of affairs wouldn't have come to pass if competent people were in charge.
@@jbagger331 maybe but there is no point whining about it. Be part of the solution. Making obvious statements that contribute nothing only serves the extremists and foreign powers. Have some pride
Not a NR supporter, but I find it interesting that Sonia says at 12:00 how Minorities don´t feel at home in France anymore, because that is exactly the same sentiment that white Frenchmen feels who support NR.
If a party member or leader refuses to work with others, then that person has failed at his job. Negotiation and compromise are part of politics. Don't like it? Perhaps a different job more to their skillset would be appropriate.
Interesting economic point of view from Maxime Darmet.
What will be done about immigration?
The UK and France ought to start increasing taxes on the assets of the rich as opposed to their income. The rich can move their money elsewhere but they can't move their millions of euros/pounds mansions or properties
Well, if you push too hard they will move themselves and their assets to another country. Happening already to some degree
On what basis? On the fact that they are RICH? Any tax impose will affect the middle class too.
Example:
Property tax. Middle class own properties too?
Higher cooperate tax? They will fire French workers and move operation overseas.
It's not as simple as that.
@@HuiChyr Increase taxes only on assets of a certain valur, not an increase in all the taxes. It is targeted at really high value assets that are mostly owned not by the middle class but by the rich.
Vision was perceptive, ability was great, plans were on the right track initially... What weakened and destroyed Macron is his inflated consideration of himself. He is SO 'abrasive' and unlikely to smooth his angles. He needs to respect others if he wants to be respected.
The Left in France should be knowing the trajectory needed to be taken..how about a heart to heart dialogue with them, they must not be isolated..
Gabriel Must stay in office 😊 he is so handsome
No agenda only propaganda
The Right is Gaining
Gaining speed as they careen downhill with no brakes?
@@rooster1012 Macron’s Party lost the most seats actually
@@hizzlemobizzle they aren’t in charge, they get to sit back and watch you crazies Drive France off a cliff
@@rooster1012 Wrong when the centrists join with the extreme Left,Marxists including anti semites to prevent Le Pen winning ,Le Pen's Party is certainly not the biggest losers.
@@hizzlemobizzlelol you’re a Furry???😂😂😂😂
French people don’t want “change.” They want someone to promise them no change is really necessary, and that French people can go on living as they did in the past-all while blaming some bogeyman for all the country’s problems. Both the extreme Left and the extreme Right are guilty of this kind of demagoguery. Macron may be arrogant, but if he appears out of touch with the French people, it is only because the French people are out of touch with economic reality, and no one is prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to constructively tackle the country’s problems. Time to grow up!
François, tu es SUPER !!!
Coalition. Stop crying wolf
There is no coalition
Need to recount votes IF same people voted before and now does not make sense.
this is just stupid NPF 7mln votes 1st, NR 10mln votes 3rd. "Democracy" =/
France is a republic, not a democracy dumdum
Npf plus ensemble 20m votes, and you want nr to get first 🤣
1.) If RN doesn't like the electoral system, it can always disband and stop participating in elections.
2.) The other parties combined got 66% and, according to the final results, both their leaders as well as their voters did not want RN to govern. 66% is more than 33%.
3.) Don't worry RN will be second in the next elections.
Voting for Melachon as next French PM, from across the pond in Canada.
gross
Gabriel?
Wonderful program helping to see the future coalition possibilities. I am reminded of a humorous French film set in the mid 1950s (when Mendez-France was Prime Minister) a group of teenagers are listening to debate of older men at a cafe about who should run the government.
A smartalic gamon says in a low voice to his friends:
"WELL, PERHAPS WE COULD RECALL LE MERCHEL PETAIN TO TAKE OVER?"
To which one imagines all the older men would cry out in unison "JAMAIS!!!" (in any event Petain died about then so it wasn't possible, but it was highly entertaining to an American audience.)
Yes so .. FAR RIGHT governing FRANCE. : JAMAIS 😱
RN will win next time, most likely
Why cant the president, in his role as head of state, just force a grand coalition of the top 2-3 parties? Force the far right to work with the far left. Compromise. Thats what politics is about.
Switzerland's 🇨🇭 govt (federal council) has been in a grand coalition for 70+ years, from the right to the left.
The Swiss are so much ahead of everyone else in many ways. France, and UK,etc are just different animals
2027
Le Pen
2027 le pen will lose
LE PEEEEEN
France seems to be turning the clock back to the 4th Republic, the politically volatile postwar period when the presidency was weaker and a raucous parliament was supreme. In the past few weeks power has drained away from the Elysée palace to the National Assembly. "Hung parliament"
You seem to be laboring under some misapprehensions. Although it operates within a system of checks and balances, the National Assembly BY DESIGN is the central pillar of French government. The president and the executive primarily hold power over international policy and national defense, and the courts can oversee whether the acts of the National Assembly are constitutional. But in the bicameral parliament, the National Assembly has the democratic mandate of the citizenry, and is intended to be most representative of the people, from whom all power flows.
Parliamentary is more democratic and stable. I don't know how france botched it up to where they needed a military general to change the govt in the 1950s (not gonna use the c word that rhymes with boo).
The head of state, whether president or monarch should not be the central figure of political space. I don't see king Charles 🇬🇧 or president steinmeier 🇩🇪 setting policies or making politically based speeches, outside what his govt says to say. That's the way it should be.
And fun fact, the semi-presidential system used by France 🇫🇷 is also used by Ukraine 🇺🇦 and Russia 🇷🇺
And is this a bad thing? Non.
"I'm sorry", do you have a point?
@@Governor-General.of.Qanadaexcept that France is a country with an actual democratic system (of government).
Next is Germany
Extreme left coalition
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Becoming a Pariah state 😅
To many heads fighting in this coalition. Nothing will be done. Lots of talk, no action. Left will FCK this up. Le Pen will come to power.
1940- The French Surrendered
2024- The French Surrendered...again.
ftr, the RN is getting less seats than the LW & Centrist blocs, but also got over 10% more votes, amounting to millions more, than either
Now you know how Americans felt when Trump won with a minority of the vote.
RN Got 37% of the Vote.
@@spg5658RN will lose in 2027. They have no ideas besides “Muh MusLiMs”
@@jared4walsh 🥴🧐. Seems French VOTING PROCESS is too difficult to understand : 37 p.100 was the RN results of the 1rst Vote session on JUNE, 30, 2024
but on JULY, 7th, 2024 the RN was in THIRD position ... ? Your informations are not correct🤪 ..
Don't let politicians lie to you! Economy is not the most important issue. Immigration is the most important issue, it needs to stop!
Ok, give up all your belongings and move to North Korea. The economy is extremely bad there but noone ever moves in.
No fucks given about what “the market” wants.
Didn't expect the RN to win ...but, knew it would do better than previously. Chapeau Le Pen!
Guillotine, le pen
For your info, RN's bloc came third. But please go ahead, console yourself with irrelevant details, if you sleep better for it. Sleep deprivation would make you angrier still in the anger stage of the grieving process.
@@peabasethe RN won the popular vote. There is no denying that the right wing is gaining and if the policies in France don't change it will further increase the support in the years to come.
@@codybell6882 Thanks for illustrating my point. Your popular vote argument is one of those irrelevant details, I'm afraid. Read up on the electoral system in France and all will be revealed.
They did not win. Keep the hat. You can eat it if you want.
What a shame the populist party was stopped!😢
The populist party is winning.
France requre 6 th republic
It was a close call. I hope the government acts on some of the main concerns of the right to be better prepared for the next election.
They will never act to end mass migration and Islamism
Sadly, the current european leadership has no reverse gear
Great debate 🎉🎉🎉
What debate? Everyone on this panel is a leftist.
Ha, ha, Vichy France insists they're center. The burden of preserving the uniqueness of 𝕱𝖗𝖊𝖓𝖈𝖍 culture, ha, ha.
Will they remove the one white player from the national team until the next Championship? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's Uruguayan
You really believe? shocking! JUDGEMENT DAY IS NEARER,
MARINE LE PEN WON WITH 10 MILLION VOTES!
The Socialists/Communists received seven million votes and 180 seats. Macron's party got 6.7 million votes and 159 seats. Marine Le Pen's right-wing party got over 10 million votes, but
It should be a coalition between Macron's Ensemble party, the center-left Socialist Party, and the center-right Republicans.
It will never happen, you can’t have a coalition of such vastly different political ideologies
@@Agtsmirnoff You must be quite new to this world. In my time, I've seen coalition governments with left _and_ right-wing parties. Admittedly, they each had one arm tied behind their backs, since their pet projects were designated no-go areas, but it's doable.
@@Agtsmirnoffit's actually the most likely scenario here. The centrists and the far left elements of the popular front won't work together, same as the RN and the centrists.
So its most likely that ensemble will unite the centre left and centre right which will make macron the big victor
@@codybell6882
The most likely scenario here is that no coalition is formed.
@@peabase And tell us, what was the situation a month ago?
Welcome to Fransistan and have a good day, P.S. you don't have to leave if you wish to immigrate.
Le pen should be in government. As they got the biggest majority
That's not how it works. But there's one more chance next election
What the hell are you talking about? The left won!
Left and center is hypocratic
France has fallen 😣
Glad that the right wing party lost. Good times!
Welcome to Islamic Republic of France
Are you Muslim?
@@akhilghag5898sorry for your replacement
@@akhilghag5898far right = brain disease. You lost because you don’t have any ideas other than hating Muslims.
The deputy mayor is permitted to say they prevented a "fascist" government..... I don't think it is fair that she can use this rhetoric and no one challenges her on it. Nobody from the National Rally was even heard on this program. They (the NR) speak for a lot of France at the moment...... but of course not on France 24.
The Israeli ambassador will determine who the Prime Minister will be.
France chooses God-less lunacy. America is little different.
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