So i hit 60 last night, and since i couldn't get some of the benefits from the paragon board, i used ravenous on the amulet and swapped out adaptable scourge for reinforced scourge. I did three infernal hordes in T1 and almost hit paragon 100. It was really fun. Looking forward to getting the glyphs and going higher in the paragon board.
This is a really cool build, thank you for putting all this together! I'm still really enjoying the Touch of Death build I'm cobbling together but I could totally see myself switching it up.
There's also a rune (Tal) that spawns Pestilent Swarms, but it's not great since it requires whopping 100 power per swarm.. Now if it was 10 or even 20, it'd be great. But there's not a lot of triggers that are viable for this. Maybe if you have a solid barrier you can use Neo, which would theoretically let you spawn 2 swarms every 2 seconds if your barrier doesn't get breached.... or heck, Feo to spawn 10 swarms at once when you get crowd controlled or injured.
Awesome video Fluff ty, SB has a lot of fun builds, this one being at the top, but if you are looking for strictly the strongest its quill. Next season I'm expecting colossal nerfs
Evade is not dead, im playing it and speedfarming Pit101's in 2min30sec, you need seriously good gear, Evade Cooldown masterworked in Boots and Amulet, also GA Maxlife gear and masterworked Resolve to Helm, Chest, Pants and Amulet. Strangely it melts World Bosses way faster than Overpower Quill, dunno if it's bugged or not :)
Not sure if anybody will see this, but I'm attempting this build. Currently in Torment 2, pretty close to being able to move into Torment 3. I have not yet put on Temerity or Jacinth Shell, though I have an Ancestral Jacinth and a non-Ancestral Temerity so I "could". But the reason I haven't yet is I'm facing major issues with resource control. I have to have Elixer of Resourcefulness up 24:7 in order to be able remotely spam my abilities, and even though I often run on empty (ESPECIALLY during boss fights, holy moly). And I dont really know what to do about it. Obviously the build calls for Rings of the Starless Skies, but I'm not in a position to hardcore farm for that (I don't even have the mats to spawn a single Duriel/Andariel let alone farm them). So I'm basically in the "leveling/starter" portion of the build. Am I missing something? If it wasn't for the resource problems I would be flying around all the time and could upgrade myself using Temerity and Jacinth Shell as the build calls for. But since I cant spam Stinger, i lose health too fast. Any advice or help me understand what it is I am missing?
insane that they make a build like this in a new class *and* put hidden limitations like spawn frequency and number of active swarms. Spawn frequency per source is understandable, but from different sources is fruatrating. Likewise a cap is reasonable, but 15? What are they thinking?
Thanks for posting this, I’ve been really struggling to find a poison build that I feel like is fun - this is it!! I’m still working through all of your research and I don’t have optimal gear yet. I don’t have starless ring and currently using wound drinker ring with writhing ring which has put toxic skin well over 10 ranks so much so that it seemingly is outperforming Scourge damage wise. My question is when you proc intricacy off the ultimate - I know you mention to always use Scourge for the free casts…do you know or have you researched using the 3 free casts with toxic skin? I’m wondering if the toxic skin damage would stack - after doing a couple Duriel runs in T3 last night when I used the intimacy stacks on toxic skin in quick succession it seemed to have an effect.
Nice "fair" build, been trying it the past few days and it's pretty fun with a much more active playstyle than broken kepeleke builds... have you tried other spirit hall setups since you're not running ebewaka helm? jaguar second is basically only giving you 2 ferocity (you start at 3 for ravager, +1max,+ a way to get it), hunter already provides most of that, and gorilla is "only" triggering dominant (temerity provides barrier)...maybe swapping them would be better?jaguar main would increase boss damage a bit (i guess spirits don't trigger it or it would be broken af)
well we have to run gorilla in primary for unyielding hits, as far as secondary. I suppose you could swap any of them. But ferocity stacks are pretty GG since they go above the attack speed cap.
259.. I'm at 222.. and you can do pit 85 only.. I guess Quill will stay King for a while. But I made a poison alt from Whisper cache (from 1-60 in a flash) And I want to try The explosive Stinger with Andariel Helm (I have Perdition sadly), Touch of Death, Toxic Skin.. So many builds, so little time.. I don't want the Epeen to do more than pit 100. I just want to do "easily" T4 content as quickly as I do T3 right now, including Torment boss in a few seconds, all to do my Dark Citadel Runs.. to get the mount. Since I did all Nahantu Renown, and Season Completed, I hope they'll bring something new and refreshing by mid-season, cause 3 weeks and you're done our of 3 months.. it's 100% absurd on their part, if they wanted to retain players and.. hope that they'll purchase Cosmetics.. Luckily for us today IIRC Torchlight Infinite new Season, PoE2 incoming, Grim Dawn Expansion.. We're saved!!
Do you take off the unique ring for high pit boss pushing? I read somewhere on Maxroll that the natural swarm spawn points spiral inwards to out, making it able to hit the same target many more times? But ya, for clearing the AoE auto follow orbits do seem great.
Ignore the first line of apprehension. The 2nd sentence is all we care about. "You deal x40% increased damage to feared enemies". That effect has 100% uptime in this build and is a completely independent effect from the first sentence of the aspect.
No offense I put all the correct armor on. And this build is almost unplayable with that jacinth shell. Is it cuz I have no glyphs. But that 10% health drain is insane. For a cooldown reduc. Imma be changing that if I don't see differences at lvl 50 glyphs. Explain that to people in your video.
You could, I did test that pretty thoroughly as well. Andariels took a hit in the stat squish but even still, it didn't pump out the damage perdition did.
interesting spin on poison build. really like your detailed step by step explanation on the connections between all the stats, skills, buffs and effect the whole way. (sub and a like) Good tips for the aspect and runes to get the pestilence aura. Did you ever try the scourge aura, which can combine with vulnerable to quickly make mobs feared, cc's and vulnerable at the same time ? I'm playing this as levelling build. I feel like the toxic skin button push provides a bigger burst compared to what scourge is doing ? Also, curious about using the hunter, i feel like centipede is stronger, plus it gets buffed better by the paragon board vs jaguar. i feel hunter is too clunky to use, unpredictable and has a delay. The centipede rips, has good uptime, follows you around and gains all the centipede and poison buffs in the tree.
Ok so 1) scourge aura only increases the duration of the fear, it does nothing for mobs ability to become CC immune. So the viability of this aspect would off really quick. 2) toxic skin isn't a burst ability at all, it's a duration ability, so spamming would be a bad choice over scourge. You cannot have multiple separate casts of toxic skin, you only override the duration of your current toxic skin. Whereas scourge, definitely stacks. 3) You'll find as you approach the end game and higher torment levels, the centipede ultimate damage falls off really really quick, almost to the point where it's pretty useless in T4. Plus the effects of the centipede ultimate, don't do much for this build. Hope that helps!
@@dwaxx69 scourge vigor regen and spamming it with hunter should keep you pretty topped off. But you can also increase your max vigor on the paragon board to increase the scourge regeneration effect. Also ravager gives 30% regeneration. Fitness glyph should also score you vigor per hit on crit. And lastly, ring of writhing moon gives one vigor per hit with swarms
@@LordFluffy1 I will try that. Just starting this build and getting glyphs. I had to use Rod of Kepeleke because of vigor issues. I am truly enjoying the build. Thank you very much for working on this and replying so quickly. Keep up the amazing work!
Should get more points in resilient gives heaps of HP and boosts dp with legendary node. I dont understand max ooints in hunter or toxic or scourge they really aren't doing that much damage compared to the stinger and pestilence.
@@LordFluffy1 yeah but all the top builds are abusing this damage boost and stacking max life for viscious shielding. For various builds. The main benefit is that it goes from base life, which is really low. Just give it a quick try with HP potion. Also the bulwark rune and 20% HP rune. Has some really nice gains. Either way thanks for all the stinger work. I love the build and also trying to push it to its limits.
Glad there's a different build out there, but you say it doesn't use any broken mechanics, and yet it does the same thing every single other Spiritborn build does: it uses Viscous Shield. That's clearly bugged as hell and it's why all of the builds to 500x more damage than what any other class can. Also, Crushing Hand does what this does, but can do it faster and at about forty Pit levels higher. 😢
So when I say "broken mechanics", I mean it in the literal sense. This build isn't abusing any broken mechanics, I think you're confusing overpowered with broken which vicious shield definitely is. Also, crushing hand is using a broken mechanic btw.
@@LordFluffy1 It's not "overpowered", get a grip man. It's clearly bugged and everyone is exploiting it right now. No single paragon node is supposed to be giving 500x damage compared to every other class. It's an uncapped node and it will absolutely get nerfed. And I know Crushing Hand is abusing it, which is why I said what I said. If you're going to use broken mechanics, you may as well play a build that does similarly to what this build does, but faster. I'm not trying to crap all over your build either, if that's how it came off. I wish there were alternate builds that worked, but right now there's simply two that do everything the other builds do, but better. ALL of them crutch so hard on Viscous Shield too. If you're suggesting Resolve stacking is the "bug" it's only one bug of many, yet it doesn't function like it currently does without Viscous Shield.
@@LordFluffy1 its scaling with barrier values vs. base life instead of the stated max life. arguing with viewers that know more than you is a bad look
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So i hit 60 last night, and since i couldn't get some of the benefits from the paragon board, i used ravenous on the amulet and swapped out adaptable scourge for reinforced scourge. I did three infernal hordes in T1 and almost hit paragon 100. It was really fun. Looking forward to getting the glyphs and going higher in the paragon board.
This is a really cool build, thank you for putting all this together! I'm still really enjoying the Touch of Death build I'm cobbling together but I could totally see myself switching it up.
Glad your back Fluff! Love your podcast and the content you put out.
Thank you! I'm tired of quill i needed this!
Finnaly omg! So sick of quill, ty for sharing!
There's also a rune (Tal) that spawns Pestilent Swarms, but it's not great since it requires whopping 100 power per swarm.. Now if it was 10 or even 20, it'd be great. But there's not a lot of triggers that are viable for this. Maybe if you have a solid barrier you can use Neo, which would theoretically let you spawn 2 swarms every 2 seconds if your barrier doesn't get breached.... or heck, Feo to spawn 10 swarms at once when you get crowd controlled or injured.
This is a cool build w the mythics I have found already
Awesome video Fluff ty,
SB has a lot of fun builds, this one being at the top, but if you are looking for strictly the strongest its quill.
Next season I'm expecting colossal nerfs
Evade is not dead, im playing it and speedfarming Pit101's in 2min30sec, you need seriously good gear, Evade Cooldown masterworked in Boots and Amulet, also GA Maxlife gear and masterworked Resolve to Helm, Chest, Pants and Amulet. Strangely it melts World Bosses way faster than Overpower Quill, dunno if it's bugged or not :)
Not sure if anybody will see this, but I'm attempting this build. Currently in Torment 2, pretty close to being able to move into Torment 3.
I have not yet put on Temerity or Jacinth Shell, though I have an Ancestral Jacinth and a non-Ancestral Temerity so I "could". But the reason I haven't yet is I'm facing major issues with resource control. I have to have Elixer of Resourcefulness up 24:7 in order to be able remotely spam my abilities, and even though I often run on empty (ESPECIALLY during boss fights, holy moly).
And I dont really know what to do about it. Obviously the build calls for Rings of the Starless Skies, but I'm not in a position to hardcore farm for that (I don't even have the mats to spawn a single Duriel/Andariel let alone farm them). So I'm basically in the "leveling/starter" portion of the build. Am I missing something? If it wasn't for the resource problems I would be flying around all the time and could upgrade myself using Temerity and Jacinth Shell as the build calls for. But since I cant spam Stinger, i lose health too fast.
Any advice or help me understand what it is I am missing?
🎉🎉 Thnx fluff 😊
Any update on pit pushing progress? Any changes that you would make to the build?
@@AndrewR.Ludlow no sir, 100+ EZ
I got a shattered vows, andarials visage and ring of writhing moon equipped on my new build I think your build will help me with my vigor
Hey! Nice video. Do you think it might be viable to build a good interaction with shattered vow and poison/dot mechanics?
shattered vow would be useless here sadly, the poisoning gets removed through the toxic key passive, so the execution would never trigger
insane that they make a build like this in a new class *and* put hidden limitations like spawn frequency and number of active swarms.
Spawn frequency per source is understandable, but from different sources is fruatrating. Likewise a cap is reasonable, but 15? What are they thinking?
Thanks for posting this, I’ve been really struggling to find a poison build that I feel like is fun - this is it!! I’m still working through all of your research and I don’t have optimal gear yet.
I don’t have starless ring and currently using wound drinker ring with writhing ring which has put toxic skin well over 10 ranks so much so that it seemingly is outperforming Scourge damage wise.
My question is when you proc intricacy off the ultimate - I know you mention to always use Scourge for the free casts…do you know or have you researched using the 3 free casts with toxic skin? I’m wondering if the toxic skin damage would stack - after doing a couple Duriel runs in T3 last night when I used the intimacy stacks on toxic skin in quick succession it seemed to have an effect.
@@MikeKuehne toxic skins active ability has a duration, spamming it only refreshes the duration. So it’s a waste to spam it.
Can you do more stinger biuld
Is the build better now post mid season patch ? And what about devourer ? Because the boosted that one too ?
@@Txvirus toxic skin was buffed so yes but devourer is still not good for the build
Nice "fair" build, been trying it the past few days and it's pretty fun with a much more active playstyle than broken kepeleke builds... have you tried other spirit hall setups since you're not running ebewaka helm? jaguar second is basically only giving you 2 ferocity (you start at 3 for ravager, +1max,+ a way to get it), hunter already provides most of that, and gorilla is "only" triggering dominant (temerity provides barrier)...maybe swapping them would be better?jaguar main would increase boss damage a bit (i guess spirits don't trigger it or it would be broken af)
well we have to run gorilla in primary for unyielding hits, as far as secondary. I suppose you could swap any of them. But ferocity stacks are pretty GG since they go above the attack speed cap.
What do people consider high pits…anything over 120?
259.. I'm at 222.. and you can do pit 85 only.. I guess Quill will stay King for a while. But I made a poison alt from Whisper cache (from 1-60 in a flash) And I want to try The explosive Stinger with Andariel Helm (I have Perdition sadly), Touch of Death, Toxic Skin.. So many builds, so little time..
I don't want the Epeen to do more than pit 100. I just want to do "easily" T4 content as quickly as I do T3 right now, including Torment boss in a few seconds, all to do my Dark Citadel Runs.. to get the mount.
Since I did all Nahantu Renown, and Season Completed, I hope they'll bring something new and refreshing by mid-season, cause 3 weeks and you're done our of 3 months.. it's 100% absurd on their part, if they wanted to retain players and.. hope that they'll purchase Cosmetics..
Luckily for us today IIRC Torchlight Infinite new Season, PoE2 incoming, Grim Dawn Expansion.. We're saved!!
What's the damage numbers like?
Do pestilent swarms from the rune count? I know you wouldn't need it once the build is online but wonder if it would help while getting to that point.
Haha nevermind just saw the end of the video. Thanks for the guide 👍
Do you take off the unique ring for high pit boss pushing? I read somewhere on Maxroll that the natural swarm spawn points spiral inwards to out, making it able to hit the same target many more times?
But ya, for clearing the AoE auto follow orbits do seem great.
I do, there's a whole section of the video where I talk about it. Check timestamps! Hope that helps!
does pestilence swarm from rune do crowd control?
@@darkbendover swarms can’t cc, procs can’t proc off procs
@@LordFluffy1 what rune deals most damage?
What is the rotation basically spam stinger i hed you say that but not much else
@@Kelleytrucking check out my poisonburn build guide, there’s a skill rotation section and it’s exactly the same
Why use apprehension on boots if scourge can be almost 100% uptime? What else would you use instead of apprehension?
Ignore the first line of apprehension. The 2nd sentence is all we care about. "You deal x40% increased damage to feared enemies". That effect has 100% uptime in this build and is a completely independent effect from the first sentence of the aspect.
@LordFluffy1 good point. Instead of freezing, would torment aspect be worth it, as you do more damage to moving enemies?
You're reading that wrong, you do 250% more THORNS damage to poisoned enemies. Not more POISON damage
How far have you pushed with this build?
@@AndrewR.Ludlow just glyphs to 100, could probably do 110-20
No offense I put all the correct armor on. And this build is almost unplayable with that jacinth shell. Is it cuz I have no glyphs. But that 10% health drain is insane. For a cooldown reduc. Imma be changing that if I don't see differences at lvl 50 glyphs. Explain that to people in your video.
could i use andariels in this setup?
You could, I did test that pretty thoroughly as well. Andariels took a hit in the stat squish but even still, it didn't pump out the damage perdition did.
interesting spin on poison build. really like your detailed step by step explanation on the connections between all the stats, skills, buffs and effect the whole way. (sub and a like)
Good tips for the aspect and runes to get the pestilence aura.
Did you ever try the scourge aura, which can combine with vulnerable to quickly make mobs feared, cc's and vulnerable at the same time ? I'm playing this as levelling build.
I feel like the toxic skin button push provides a bigger burst compared to what scourge is doing ?
Also, curious about using the hunter, i feel like centipede is stronger, plus it gets buffed better by the paragon board vs jaguar. i feel hunter is too clunky to use, unpredictable and has a delay. The centipede rips, has good uptime, follows you around and gains all the centipede and poison buffs in the tree.
Ok so 1) scourge aura only increases the duration of the fear, it does nothing for mobs ability to become CC immune. So the viability of this aspect would off really quick. 2) toxic skin isn't a burst ability at all, it's a duration ability, so spamming would be a bad choice over scourge. You cannot have multiple separate casts of toxic skin, you only override the duration of your current toxic skin. Whereas scourge, definitely stacks. 3) You'll find as you approach the end game and higher torment levels, the centipede ultimate damage falls off really really quick, almost to the point where it's pretty useless in T4. Plus the effects of the centipede ultimate, don't do much for this build. Hope that helps!
Where is that armor from?
@@GeminiGiant season journey and Lucian helmet
Im having vigor issues with this build. How do you solve this?
@@dwaxx69 scourge vigor regen and spamming it with hunter should keep you pretty topped off. But you can also increase your max vigor on the paragon board to increase the scourge regeneration effect. Also ravager gives 30% regeneration. Fitness glyph should also score you vigor per hit on crit. And lastly, ring of writhing moon gives one vigor per hit with swarms
@@LordFluffy1 I will try that. Just starting this build and getting glyphs. I had to use Rod of Kepeleke because of vigor issues. I am truly enjoying the build. Thank you very much for working on this and replying so quickly. Keep up the amazing work!
Whats GA stand for?
Great affix
@fabiopreite2518 Guess that makes sense lol.
Should get more points in resilient gives heaps of HP and boosts dp with legendary node. I dont understand max ooints in hunter or toxic or scourge they really aren't doing that much damage compared to the stinger and pestilence.
hp boosting dmg with "legendary node"? Explain?
If you're talking vicious shielding, it only cares about % life and not total life
@@LordFluffy1 yeah but all the top builds are abusing this damage boost and stacking max life for viscious shielding. For various builds. The main benefit is that it goes from base life, which is really low. Just give it a quick try with HP potion. Also the bulwark rune and 20% HP rune. Has some really nice gains.
Either way thanks for all the stinger work. I love the build and also trying to push it to its limits.
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Glad there's a different build out there, but you say it doesn't use any broken mechanics, and yet it does the same thing every single other Spiritborn build does: it uses Viscous Shield.
That's clearly bugged as hell and it's why all of the builds to 500x more damage than what any other class can. Also, Crushing Hand does what this does, but can do it faster and at about forty Pit levels higher. 😢
So when I say "broken mechanics", I mean it in the literal sense. This build isn't abusing any broken mechanics, I think you're confusing overpowered with broken which vicious shield definitely is. Also, crushing hand is using a broken mechanic btw.
@@LordFluffy1 It's not "overpowered", get a grip man. It's clearly bugged and everyone is exploiting it right now. No single paragon node is supposed to be giving 500x damage compared to every other class. It's an uncapped node and it will absolutely get nerfed.
And I know Crushing Hand is abusing it, which is why I said what I said. If you're going to use broken mechanics, you may as well play a build that does similarly to what this build does, but faster.
I'm not trying to crap all over your build either, if that's how it came off. I wish there were alternate builds that worked, but right now there's simply two that do everything the other builds do, but better.
ALL of them crutch so hard on Viscous Shield too. If you're suggesting Resolve stacking is the "bug" it's only one bug of many, yet it doesn't function like it currently does without Viscous Shield.
@@LordFluffy1 its scaling with barrier values vs. base life instead of the stated max life.
arguing with viewers that know more than you is a bad look
@@sneaky5141 who’s arguing? I was asking and clarifying how the mechanic should work… don’t be so defensive
@@LordFluffy1 dont tell me what to do 😌
Dodge fortify ftw
This is a nice build, but don't compare it to flicker striker, got my hopes up there for a sec 😢
I scaled with unyielding i had 6k armor it isnt as good as moonrise imo
we're not using kepeleke so moonrise would be no bueno
@@LordFluffy1 true ur right
Too sad this season is A grade . Maybe next time :)
What do you think about the centipede spirit hall with this build ?
Need the gorilla sadly for aspect of unyielding hits
@@LordFluffy1 if you use the concussive stomp rune, do you think that’s a good alternative?
@@snapfrostzz9946 no, 1500 attack power from gorilla