Sean Hannity LOSES IT Discussing Corporal Punishment
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- "Sean Hannity defended Adrian Peterson last night by invoking how his own father used to beat him. And to illustrate that point rather vividly, Hannity took off his belt and whipped it around.
Hannity admitted that Peterson went too far in beating his kids, but said he shouldn’t be penalized for trying to discipline his children. His guests pushed back a bit on corporal punishment and Hannity asked, “We’re gonna arrest everybody that’s ever hit their kid?”*
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usually when a child is hit by a parent it has nothing to do with discipline, it is more to do with the adult losing their temper and striking out....the "discipline" is just a cover for an adult who has snapped
100% correct statement
***** i was punished with switches and belts, and i started to raise my kids the way i was. And then one day i realized that they were getting physically punished , not because they didn't listen, but because they pissed me off by not listening or acting out. If it makes you feel better to physically punish your kids, then its time to realize that its wrong and that you must find a better way. Especially if they continue to act out, even when they are whipped by their parents.
What it is really all about is the parents, and how they were treated when they were children. Then they pass on those behaviors to the children, good or not.
I disagree. When I stepped into a parental role, I’d feel terrible after raising my voice at the kids. Seeing them cry hits you in the heart as well. I’ll always say that you have to know your child. I have a friend of a friend who’s daughter started to break things in the house and would get irate. She is a teenager, she threatened her mother and attempted to engage physically with her mother and her mother defended herself and laid hands on the teen. She also called the police on her daughter. What happened was her childcare license was suspended and she was investigated and her business is in limbo as she loses money and her livelihood. And I agree with my parents that if you step to me as a parent and one day believe you can “beat” me and and lay hands on me, that’s the day you have to prove it. I don’t hit my step kids. The closest the 5 year old gets to being hit is when I pluck his fingers. My mother was an example of your point. She was/is bipolar and depressed. I would get beatings etc. She stopped the beatings feeling they were enacted out of her own emotions. As I got older, she understood that she was raising a man that would grow to become stronger and larger than herself, so to make up for it, if she thought I was getting buck on her, she’d punch me in the chest. This often did not hurt, but it helped teach me that as a man in this current world, I had to take care of my given responsibilities…not out of fear of getting hit, but the idea of repercussion in general especially considering the city we lived in where an argument may lead to a murder. It’s almost impossible for a woman to teach a boy to become a man and she was trying but she didn’t know how. But not all her efforts were in vain. But it took my father dying and years of military service around other men that did have fathers for me to understand. So I’m conclusion, I think it’s child dependent.
100% RIGHT!!!! And, it's not a rational logical consequence.
I remember that snapping sound; my dad was quick to use his belt on us. My mother, who did nothing to stop such punishments, would later excuse dad's methods by telling my brother and I (the only 2 of 5 children he ever took his belt to) that pappy did that because it's what *his* father always did.
I have 2 children. I have *NEVER* struck either of them. That cycle stopped with me.
Great parenting right fucking here! Break this ridiculous cycle!
My childhood had mad me resort to violence far too quick ...its also made me scared to have children of my own becouse I feel like I dont trust myself not to resort to the type of discipline I was exposed to as a child. These child abusers should be locked up imo
My only complaint against corporal punishment is the fact that there's no proof that "spanking" improves children's social interactions (not be a "brat" around and to others), and plenty of proof that not spanking (time outs and other forms of non-corporal punishments allowed) are positive to a growing child's social interaction.
In the age where we are sickened by terrorists being waterboarded and in the age we don't beat hardcore gangsters in prison we definitely shouldn't torture children. Creatures who still do it should be tried as if they tortured an adult whom they had illegally imprisoned, they should be jailed and the key thrown away. Children have the right to bodily integrity, too, and that right can be legally circumvented only if there's an objectively justified medical need.
_"I have NEVER struck either of them"_
I wasn't expecting anything less from you.
I was hit as a child for "discipline." I'm 19 and I'm terrified of making any mistakes, and any time I do make mistakes my anxiety flies through the roof. I've even been scared to defend myself physically, why? Because fighting is considered wrong and if I do something that is "wrong" I associate it with being hit by a belt or something. I can hardly take risks because of the same thing. It's until now, that I am starting to take more risks, I've smoked weed, but even then I can hardly enjoy it because of my fear of being "hit."
Jorge Padua Stay strong brother wer u from?.
RyoHazuki224
Wat a load of Babbled babble.
But I was hit as well as a child, but I was made to understand why, and I learned from it.
lol
You do know what that sounds like ?
RyoHazuki224 weather. whether. lol dumbshit assclown
Jorge Padua "I've even been scared to defend myself physically, why? Because fighting is considered wrong"
No, defending yourself is not "wrong". This is what *not* spanking your kids when they get completely out of control teaches them. I'm not saying out-and-out physical abuse(as you appear to have suffered) is acceptable, but smacking a child's ass for being a terror teaches them that if you constantly step over the line, sometimes violence(or in this case minor discomfort) is the only solution.
So he was punched in the face by his father for talking back.
Then he went on to make a career out of back-talking people in authority, who generally know better then him about the subject.
Hmmm....
Interesting isnt it
hes just a dumb dumb you guys
A wonderfully illuminating irony. The denial of his own victimhood was severe enough to reach pathological levels.
The argument of "It happened to me so it's ok for everyone" is so ignorant I don't even know where to start.
You have got to lay off the steroids.
Again, when you beat a child 10+ times with a switch, you are not doing it for the child's benefit, it's for the benefit of the person who does the whipping. It. Was. A . Four. Year. Old. Child. NOTHING a four year old can do requires a beating the likes that AP gave.
What if the kid shit all over the carpet and smeared it all over the good curtains and a winning lottery ticket.
Yes. Whipping a child is about resolving your own rage, not about teaching. It's been proven over and over to be counterproductive.
And nothing any child can do warrants being hit with a switch, or a belt, or a paddle. An open handed slap on a butt is plenty enough.
Ian Walker easy, you replace the carpets and curtain, and clean the lottery ticket.
***** You can replace all the carpets and curtains you want, but the shit has soaked into the floorboards beneath and the house forever reeks of shit eternal.
The ticket is now stained brown and has acquired a flaccid texture.
Any cashier in their right mind will not be accepting this grubby, soggy and smelly ticket.
Norway out and out OUTLAWED corporal punishment for kids, their crime and recidivism rates are much lower than the US.
All claims that corporal punishment is necessary are garbage.
Half of Europe has outlawwed it.
"My husband punched me in the face once when I talked back to him and I deserved it" If that doesn't sound right, than it shouldn't sound right with any name there.
Exactly. There's soooo many things you could do to discipline your child that doesn't involve just kidding you're hand. Lifting your hand is easy, taking the time and effort to discipline your kid or to even find a professional to help you isn't. But then if you're not willing to take the time then why have kids??
The real question is....did you talk back to him again for a while? I'm guessing not so point made. But some people would say your husband was wrong. Cant argue with results. Cant figure out why everyone is such sissys
Exactly , thank you for saying this
Yeah, Hannity, you're "totally fine".
Sean Hannity was beaten as a child and he's fine, except that he's now Sean Hannity.
Seeing him deny that his father deserved to go to jail for punching him in his face because he "deserved it" is saddening, he was a victim and he's so thoroughly brainwashed that he can't see it. No child should ever be punched in the face by their parent, ever. If he feels that way about hitting kids, I wonder what his stance is on hitting women, does your wife deserve a punch in the face for taking back to you?
You don't know the backround he could've been a young teen. When I was 17 my father punched me in the face after I drove his car drunk. I deserved it.
No child should be punched in the face by their parent, so while the fact that you drove his car while drunk was highly disrespectful, him punching you in the face was done in a moment of rage and driven by a failure to control himself, so exactly what did you learn from that? You learned that you can justify punching your child in the face under "the right circumstances". I'm not trying to say that your dad is a bad guy, only that nothing positive came of him punching you in the face, anything that you learned from the experience could've had the same effect sans the child abuse, because you were a child and he abused you. The real is question where do you draw the line and what entitles any of us to determine what "the line" is to begin with? If it's ok to punch your seventeen year old son in the face for driving your car drunk, is it ok to punch your wife for doing the same? How about for cheating?
My mom grew up watching her dad punch HER mom in the face, you'd think that would prompt her not to do the same, neh? When I was in the third grade, about eight, I got suspended the day before the last day of school(a wholly pointless gesture, but that's the Florida education system) for being a little shit, so when my mom came home she punched me in the face, repeatedly. My moral for this story is as follows, I made the choice to take the "it's never ok to punch your kid in the face" lesson from that experience as opposed to the "I deserved it" approach.
I've been beaten(quite brutally) so many times by my parents when I was a kid and it definitely wasn't fun. I love my parents but corporal punishments is unacceptable. I will never ever ever raise my hands against my children no matter what they do.
That is why parents these days will tolerate murder rape, and violence from their child.
I'm begging to think that affluenza kid might have a point here. When your parents will stand by you no matter what, well why not behave as badly as you can.
Research suggests corporal punishment is ineffective and creates more angry and violent adults: (Straus, 1996 and Cohen,1996). The American Academy of Pediatrics tends to agree, labeling it "potentially deleterious." A recent study found a correlation between declining rates of spanking and decreases in violent crime (Pfeiffer, 2007-08).
The last point is kind of devastating. Beat your spouse? Shame on you, jail time. Kick your dog? You sick freak. Beat your kid? Well that's just good parenting.
Sean Hannity saying "I was flogged, look how I turned out" is about as self defeating as an argument can get.
"I've never been to a shrink", that explains a fucking boat load Sean!!!!!
I've been abused for years, and for the longest time, I thought I deserved it. The whole issue was a key factor as to why I began attending therapy, so I know what it's like. Hannity has no idea what he's talking about, and it's clear that what he's saying is practically an endorsement for unnecessary behavior like that.
I really hate when people say that Michael Vick hit dogs and he went to jail for it. He murdered dogs, he electrocuted them and hung them by his own hands. He did this to many many dogs. He had bitches whose teeth were removed who lived tied up to be mated with. All while living in dark basements. Horrors unimaginable.
He didn't just hit dogs. Hell, he didn't even just fight dogs, he fucking tortured and killed them for years.
Michael Vick was covering for his 2 felony strikes p.o.s. useless brother Marcus.
I'm the oldest of my 2 brothers... the middle one was punished quite harshly by my father... he took it out on the youngest... and he became the bully at school for many years... what did it do? He was suspended and held back 2 years. It's a terrible cycle.
izovire I bet you're the gay one.
while that guy was crazy, it disagree with tyt. i was beat as a kid: never on anything other than my hand or but, it was a last resort, never left any injuries and i never repeated the offense. i was in honor classes, i'm very non-confrontational, never did any violent crimes and never got in trouble in school. i do believe that you should talk to your kids first but if that doesn't work, controlled corporal punishment can be a good thing. but that's just my view.
Too bad for your view that the scientific evidence and longitudinal studies have shown fairly conclusively that corporal punishment a) doesn't work and b) is more often than not harmful for the child and their development.
My parents used to beat me too, i never became an outlaw but i began to rebel against all their decision and ultimately caused me to distance myself from them. Point is many people react differently to being beat by their parents, you gotta look at the facts and science behind it.
***** i'm not saying people should beat their kids, every parent and every kid is different. all i'm saying is that the scientific evidence didn't apply to me.
I agree and if you think that corporal punishment should be disposed of in our society, look at any call of duty angry child videos. You'll wish that they were spanked because of how they talk to adults.
you're not so much disagreeing with TYT as you are disagreeing with the studies. and you're not even doing that well. you're just saying you're one of the people that wasn't affected by corporal punishment as greatly as many others.
"I got whipped, smacked around, and beat up by my parents and I turned out totally fine!"
Sums up the only argument people who defend corporal punishment use. (Doesn't it sound like denial the fact that they say "and I turned out totally fine" literally every time? It kinda does)
Well at least now we know why Hannity is so fucked in the head. I always thought he was dropped as a baby but now I know he was abused.
most think they turned out fine even though they didn't
Said Marin i turned out perfectly fine because i got an ass whooping when i deserved it. people go overboard with it and beat their children for eating wrong lol
MrCoconutsquash I refer to the first comment as my answer. Besides, not EVERYBODY that gets beaten (or however you may wish to call it) has some emotional scar, but everybody who was always seems to be defensive about it(quoting the "I turned out fine part). Even if some people don't get scarred, it's a proven bad parenting method.
he should not beat himself up about it...
Emphasis on the *beat*
***** ALMOST IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Well that escalated quickly
***** nah, he can do that himself.
***** *to the point of death.
"OH COME ON COME ON COME ON OH PFFT PLEASE GUYS REALLY C'MON THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT"
Then immediately after says "oh but I don't hit my kids"
Should every parent that beat their kids be arrested? OBVIOUSLY! How is that even a question?
And no, it doesn't teach kids respect or whatever, it just makes them more likely to engage in antisosial behavior. archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=518458
Alfred Abraham Yeah it should be illegal for parents to hit their kid even if it's "mild". Just like it is illegal to molest your kid even if it's "mild".
Alfred Abraham Yeah, I'm aware the US is fucked up. I'm from Norway.
Alfred Abraham Linking to scientific articles that prove my point = bleeding heart. Sure.
Listen, when you break a window playing catch, parents aren't gonna think "hmm... maybe I shouldn't hit him because 75% of kids who were hit as a kid are more likely to hit their kids, commit crime both violent and non violent blah blah" no what they are gonna think is that you need to be disciplined.
And when my mom spanked me I knew I shouldn't do it again. And I learned there are better ways to discipline a child than to spank them, but I think my mom did right. I'm not saying beating the child extremely is ok. But spanking them in the behind arm etc that's fine and you shouldn't be arrested for that.
Romeo Depaso Yeah, they are not gonna be thinking that because they ignorant of the facts. That's why it's important to inform people and make sure they understand it's never okay to hit children.
The way Hannity snaps the belt. It seems to me like he's making fun of their argument... Like a bully. I'd definitely say Hannity is the perfect example of what corporal punishment creates.
I think the double standard is really interesting; you are never allowed to hit or hurt anyone else, except if it is a weak, defenseless child with less experience than you.
He needs to be talking to his viewers. He can't actually believe what he's saying? Punching a kid in the face for discipline? Why can't the people on there simply point out the obvious. He's father beat him beyond what was considered legal today, his mother smoked while pregnant ... You idiot you survived in spite of it not because of it.
I am the father of an 18 yr old and a 12 year old. They are accomplished and model citizens. Far from beating them I have never even punished them - no naughty step, no grounding, no deprivation of toys, nothing. Punishing your children comes from assuming they are inherently bad and only force will make them good. This is wrong and highly damaging. Instead assume they are inherently good and want to please their parents, but sometimes make mistakes. To avoid mistakes in the future they need information and instruction, that is work with your kids to make it easy for them to do want they really want to do - please their parents.
you cant use your example as a set for all. i mean what about kids in poorer areas, maybe they dont have a father to teach them right from wrong and so they dont respond to words or _naughty_ steps. this bad behavior would be amplified in a classroom situation
What people should realize is that not all punishments work for every child. When I got spanked I knew to never do it again. If my parents took things away from I knew I just get it back. So I do it again.
+RollingStarscrumble Whenever my parents hit me I learned not to get caught. The best way to teach kids right from wrong is to show them the outcome of their actions. Atleast in my experience.
***** You obviously don't know the difference between a spanking and beating someone up. Two different things you don't beat your child black and blue. You spank them on their butt it stings a little and then they move on.
***** lol no it is. Parents do not punch their children in the face, kick them to the point of no return. I was spanked and I never got a bruise only a little sting that lasted for minute, but i guess by your term I was beaten by my parents. Maybe you should get beaten up in real life to know what a real beating is and what a spanking is. Also I do spank my dog on the butt.
i got my iPad taken away and thrown INTO a wall
Hell nah my parents whooped my ass back in the day. Shit it's just something black people passed on from getting beat by slave masters.
I remember when running back Adrian Peterson nearly lost his football career for hitting his 4 year old son with a switch he got from a tree. All white people were like "ಠ_ಠ WTF is wrong with him" and black people were just like "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what's the big deal?"
I disagree with this.
My father didnt use the belt but he used his hand and the wooden spoon.
I deserved it since i was a little shit back then.
There is a difference between the chastisement of a child and child abuse.
Barely - I never experienced anything and lots of kids didnt and turn out fine. Maybe you should think if you really deserved it all the time.
I should say that it was on rare occasions, in others he just used his "angry dad voice" but yes thinking back in the times where he did, i did deserve it. One of which could have been really bad more me, electric cables can kill you know lol, it didnt go through my head that i shouldn't touch it untill i got a good wooping
Since his angry dad voice didnt work, he moved it to the wooden spoon
MTimtam
wooden spoon is better than a tree branch or belt I would assume. But a single slap on the bum used to suffice for me.
Henbot A switch is kids play compared to a wooden spoon. Switches don't even hurt unless they are trying to hit a homerun with your ass. A switch is just a skinny branch. Not a stick. It just stings. Spoons sting and can bruise very easily.
It's never alright to "discipline" your child with such force that you're causing injury beyond a little bit of redness and maybe a sore spot for an hour. I'll tell ya why, Sean, and it's the same lesson my old man learned right quick, when you make your role out in your child's eye to be the oppressor, the executioner(metaphorically speaking), you're going to have that child begin to harbor hatred for you in their heart, and one day, that child's going to be big enough to hit back, and hit back hard. As a parent, you must be a mentor, an educator, someone who your child can look up to and still question without faltering any respect. I'm no parent, but even I know that much.
You can't just reason with some kids. Some of them need to get spanked sometimes. Stop trying to tell parents how to raise their kids
Yes because parents ALWAYS knows what is best for their children. Parents need and should be told how to raise their kids, because most parents are ignorant. It is a fact that you damage you child when you hit. Nobody gives a fuck what your opinion is about it.
i'll tell them how to raise their kids if they don't know how, starting with no beating.
Some people just can't be reasoned with, you just have to beat them.
A foot in the ass is worth two in the grass.
Jesus. You guys seriously have to be that hateful? I'm the one that's wrong huh? We can't even have a normal disagreement without being hated on. Most of you probably don't have kids and talk shit anyways. Let me tall you, this is how you keep kids alive without having to put them in bootcamp. I'm not what's wrong with the world, but what is missing these days. Most kids don't have repsect for grown folks these days because of the missing element of discipline. You American people are too concerned with being friends with your kid instead of their parents. This is why kids will call you by your first name. This is why kids will lock your ass up in a nursing home when you're old. This is why kids will tell you to shut up and call you a bitch or a cunt in the market. This is why most military folks these days have never seen the back of a hand or a belt and this is why we are sinking as a nation! It al begins with Love and discipline. no you cannot reason with a Child! Damn folks! IF you think think you can reason with a child, you probably also believe in our voting system and that the government plays fair. People, open up your damn eyes. Corporal punishment isn't for all kids, but is it necessary for some, absolutely. I've seen abused children, and a quick spanking with a stern talking to is what may be in order for some children. I'm not backing down to your opinions, because it's typical arrogant American folly where you guys think you have the answer to everything when you have it all wrong. We're the same Americans that think marrying a man with another man or a woman with another woman is normal. That gay couples raising kids is normal. Up is now down and down is up here in the States. People, pull your heads out of the gas and wake the hell up! Discipline is part of loving your child. Kids know love both physical and emotional. If you hug them after they screw up when they don't know the words you're trying to get across to them, they will screw up again. You pop em for the same screw up, next time they will think twice. Spare the Rod, spoil the child. Wake the hell up America. Raise your kids and don't let the system tell you how to raise these little ones. You're the ones raising these mutherfuckers too not only keep em outta jail, but to keep em from getting shot for running their mouths and fucking off. Goddamn!!! WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
When he says he doesn't beat his kids and he was fine with his parents beating him it raises the key point: Most people don't beat their kids anymore, but conservatives don't want to criticize their parents or the previous generation for their actions.
No weapon should ever be used on a child.
A smack with your hand is one thing but to beat with a stick or belt is criminal.
a human hand, even open, can deliver enough force to break a childs skull...and again, even if moderated force is used, it normaly only has short term educational effects. Your kids shouldn't be afraid of YOU if they do something wrong, they should know by themselves that they are doing something WRONG.
Also, a smack is a form of conditioning...do you want to educate your children or do you want to condition them?
i know we are all human, and sometimes anger takes over...but the way some people PLAN on how they punish their children is sadistic. To strike a child repeadetly for minutes with some sort of tool is not even conditioning anymore, it is torture and should be punishable as such.
Raussl Glad you added that bit at the end.
The go to your room and prepare for a beating thing, strikes at the nub of the cruelty.
As a grandfather I have never had the need to use violence as a punishment on any of my children.
There is a stage in a child's development where a single slap to the but is enough to show displeasure when your toddler is blissfully ripping the face of a nervosa visitor.
Usually when a child is harming another and must be done on the spot.
The only other time a parent will smack is when the child has done something dangerous. You see that often after a child is rescued first comes the hug and then a smack then a hug again.
The intent is not to cause harm or punishment but to relay the seriousness of a situation.
Smacking for social conditioning or taboos I don't approve of.
Is it me or does Sean Hannity sound like a battered wife?
+Leniese Rose The name has been changed to 'battered person syndrome' and it's a form of trauma bonding, children being one of the most common groups of people to have this problem throughout history.
So you think 2-yr-olds and 4-yr-olds are unable to to communicate then?
Leniese Rose He is definitely battered something. Perhaps battered child.
I agree with Hannity! It worked on me too!! The world is out of control because of stupid ass time out ppl... My Goodness... Much respect Hannity!
constance keen do you have the same type of racist attitude about black people that he has as well ?
Whenever I fucked up, my mom whooped my ass. Plain and simple
I turned out just fine
+tay kyles Well, Depending on a whooping is-
if it's beating with red marks or blood marks... etc, you know then there is probably underlying problems.
You CANNOT self diagnosis, Simple as that- It's impossible (or should be).
Don't be so quick to pass judgement.
Gabriel Swanson that's not a whopping. That's a beating. Plain and simple
+tay kyles Yes Tay, that's a beating. But welts are RED MARKS, And that's is the exactly what is being talked about here. Switches leave welts. belts can leave welts too. No one is talking about a swift swat on the seat of the pants here. I don't think.
I don't even approve of the swat, personally.
Seems to me that Hannity wouldn't admit that his abuse damaged him. Maybe because he would have to view his father, who he probably loves, in a different light.
Stoney Bogart A welt is a raised mark. Visible on folks of any race.
Yep, I may have left a red mark on a kid restraining him/her in a way you described.. But if that mark isn't gone in minutes then it's abuse.
I never favor hitting a child. We (hopefully) don't use corporal punishment for adults, why should we use it on children.
tay kyles says he turned out fine, how does he know.
Hannity is proud of the beatings he got and he is about the most goofed person I can thing\k of.
Jim Peluso How do I know I'm fine?
How do you know you're fine? What exactly are your standards for being "fine" or being fucked up?
When Sean Hannity took off his belt and started snapping it gleefully, I lost it. This man is obviously disturbed.
Oh, c´mon, Johnny!!!!! A DOG can defend himself BETTER than a CHILD????
I love U, man, but this one was BS... Animals are unfortunately the weakest beings on Earth... If you hit a child, you go to jail, if you kill a dog you pay 200 bucks, GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its sickening! PLEASE, stand up for kids AND for all animals. They are NOT less worthy than us just because they cant speak...
Of course hitting your kids doesn't work anymore, look at how respectful and kind everybody is nowadays.
Censoring information from kids is also not effective. Tell children why ISIS videos are wrong, don't just ban them from watching it and say "IT'S HARMFUL TO YOU!!!! TRUST ME!!!!"
Totally true that physical abuse causes violence in kids. I was hit to the point of welts and blood. And I was very mean in middle school and the first part of high school. Eventually I made a choice to be a better person. I punched my dad in the face at 16. And I have never hit anyone again.
Elizabeth Harper :)
"My father punched me in the face once when I talked back to him and I deserved it"...
+Sbeast Someone should punch him in the face just for talking. He's effin annoying.
+Sbeast Mt dad broke his toe kicking me down the stairs when I was five.
+Sbeast I was never hit as a child. I've never needed to go to a 'shrink'.
+Sbeast I'm extremely disappointed in his father...
...because he stopped punching.
my dad punched me in the face too and I deserved it
well at least they are FINALLY defending a black guy
it's progress!
My mom once backhand slapped me for saying the word fuck when i was six. I didn't learn my fucking lesson.
sean was almost drooling when he had the belt in the hand, you can see on his face that he want to take someone who's weak, powerless and defensless and whoop him/her sensless with that belt!
let's be honest and just say "her" ;)
I hate it when I see a kid making a scene because his parents don't want to buy him a toy or any other unnecessary thing and they are just saying "oh honey please stop, you shouldn't behave in that way" and they even say it in the most pacific tone they can. That's why there's so many people who think they can get anything they want and go crazy if they don't. My parents used their belt whenever I did something stupid, I can tell you that just made me respect them more and shut up whenever they tell me.
+Gabriel Vázquez So it should be OK to beat you parents when they get old and cranky
***** why would it be okay?
old people don't learn from corporal punishment... the point of corporal punishment is to teach your kids how to behave and act properly, beating people who have already learned to act properly or can't and would not in some way benefit from it is stupid as it was stupid you made a connection from kids to old people.
His father punched him in the face. Wow. I'm pretty young and I wasn't around in those times but I'm pretty sure even that was way too extreme even back then. Jesus, If my dad had punched me in the face then I would have called the cops myself and watched them hull him to prison. I got spanked a few times as a kid but it was just light open hand slaps. They never left marks, and I don't think I would even do that to my kids just because there are more effective ways to discipline. But punching is way out of line. If you can't punch a random guy on the street who is rude to you, you sure as hell can't punch your own kid. It ain't right.
Hannity says, "I was a troubled kid". With a father like his, it's not surpring. If my father beat me like that, I would believe that he regretted my conception. I bet that he can remember graphically every single blow better than he can remember moments of affection from his father, if there were any. He snaps the belt just as his father did. That single punch to the face could have ended his life. The only reason he doesn't beat his kids is because it would ruin his career, and possible jail time.
Spanked and beaten half to death are two different things. I got spanked when I was little, but 1. I turned out fine (my parents never abused me) and 2. It didn't work. Doesn't stop a kid from doing anything.
Hitting a kid for any reason is wrong. It should be illegal. Times are changing. There are other ways to TEACH your child to the right thing. Hitting your kid repeatedly is only teaching them that doing a wrong in response for a wrong, is perfectly okay.
I'm just surprised he's defending a black person...
I used to get hit when I was a kid and I don't think im a bully, im actually a nice person(I think).
Yea not everyone that got hit as a kid turns out bad it just makes it more likely that certain negative traits will arise.
i was abuse as a child, i am a nice person but I do have negative traits, lack of confidence, insecurities and self degradation, it can manifest differently. The idea that whipping your kids is a positive thing is wrong, it demeans a childs worth.
So *that's* why the average IQ levels in the US seem to be lower, the closer you get to the Mexican gulf. Joking aside, kids are actually smart enough to notice when their dads use force as a means to solve problems. Of course they're going to pick up on that. The other problem is that they don't get to practice solving problems verbally, using argumentation or even critical thinking. But I suppose getting beaten as a child is not an issue for anyone who doesn't get to learn the word "issue".
bonkoboy Consider also that the child who deals with abuse will sometimes learn how to read situations in order to avoid the punishments - whether it's covering something up or simple avoidance of the person they expect to be delivering the abuse. It's conflict avoidance as a result of critical (practical) thinking.
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bingo
Moral of the story: don't beat your kids or they will turn out like Sean Hannity.
He lose it in other episodes but this one he takes the cake.
You hit an adult it's assault you hit a dog its abuse you hit a child it's punishment
Hannity needs another whooping.
i would love to put Hannity in his place
different strokes for different folks. I'm not telling you how to raise your kids so don't tell me how to raise mine.
Raise or beat them? If you beat them with a belt and leave marks then it is our business. That child has rights. And you are breaking the law of child abuse.
And when that child grows up violent then we in society have to deal with your "raising". You will create a bully.
these comments are hilarious LOL. All this guys saying is if he wants to spank his child he will. Your response is just mind blowing LOL
Blacks and Latinos are lazy when it comes to parenting so they just take the easy way and beat life lessons into there kids .Im latino by the why white people do it 2 but i dont mentioned them because they do it for religious believes they are crazy .
And this is why most of my friends are conservatives. Why should I tell someone how to raise their own kids. I've witness 5 year olds display no respect for their parents in public because they know time out is just 5 minutes. Maybe the right wing nuts are also right on telling us on how to live their lives?
Here here !
As someone who was physically abused as a child i don't believe that spanking your child should be a first or even second response to dealing with your child but I don't believe spanking should be outlawed...just so we clear there is a definite line between spankings and abuse most times the threat of spankings is enough....seen time and again parents who don't believe in spanking who then end up having children who are disrespectful to them. Who steal from them. Who are verbally and physically abusive to them...again there has to be a clear line drawn between what is considered spanking and what we know is abuse....what's worse spanking a toddlers hand or letting them find out the hard way fire burns...I've seen a person arrested for that before smh
A punch to the face. That's definitely assault and child abuse, a police officer can't just go around punching people because they have authority.
Spanking, eh, I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't want other parents arrested for it, within reason of course. The moment you leave marks, draw blood, or otherwise injure the child, you've gone too far.
people who got beat as a child seem to love bragging about it like they get off from it. Sean Hannity, yes your dad should have been arrested. You said he punched you in the face. Who punches their kid in the face regardless what they do
Alfred Abraham If you spank them on the behind and don't cut their skin I can be okay with it. I wouldn't do it, it would have to get real bad for me to beat my kid. Punching your kid in the face is over the line in my opinion no matter what they do. Punching people in the face is not going to solve anything
I'll never beat my kids, I'll just give them nightmares...
JUST BECAUSE IT WAS EXCEPTABLE IN THE 60S DOSENT MEEN THAT IT SHOULD BE OKAY TODAY.
I was hit and whipped growing up. I don't have trauma from it, but it also didn't help me. Every time I got hit, I would just think to myself, "I need to make sure I don't get caught next time."
When an adult actually explained to me why something was wrong - that's when my behaviour would change.
If you think corporal punishment is ok have you noticed parents are treating their kids in a way they NEVER treat another adult!
Also the parent has almost complete power over their children that is so open to the abuse of this power!
The bible with the anciant Hebrew and Greek scriptures if referenced to anciant hebrew/greek culture (you know the cultures that were around when the bible was actually written in these cultures languages so is best reference to what word/ phrases actually mean) The rod is a reference to a Shepard who will gently tap the sheep with his rod to keep them in line to stop them wondering off into danger, and he need to constantly do this to keep them in line, It basicly means whenever your kid does something wrong you need to always discipline them to keep them in line! it has nothing to do with physical punishment!
If spanking means hitting a child with a switch or belt or stick, that's wrong and unneeded. If it means by hand on the rear? If done right, It can be effective. The thing is, too often physical punishment is used while the parent is angry and emotional( and thus not in control), at something their child has done. If done right, in calm manner followed by an explanation on why it was done, it's fine(though, not the method I would use. Menial labor is better option).
Even many liberals would agree. It's difficult to do physical damage to a child by spanking the rear, and it isn't something that children are likely to do to others in response to getting it. When we talk about "hitting a child", it typically means what you'd picture.
Michael and John are a VERY good panel combo. Run these two together more often PLEASE.
Striking anyone smaller than you is wrong! Pick on someone your own size... Never Children! I have never hit my children... it has never been necessary!
Yes, do please arrest everyone who hits their kid.
LOL Hannity thinks he's a badass because he's holding a belt.
This is the part about libs I hate. SPANKING (NOT BEATING) SPANKING is not wrong. Sometimes you need to spank your child to get them to fall in line in some cases. Studies have shown that spanking helps the growth of kids. To say my kid will be a bully cause I spanked them. Is insulting, and a lie. My daughter when she was 3 fell to the floor in the middle of the mall cause we wouldn't go to the toy section. I picked her up, tapped her bottom 3 times, and said cut that out now. SHE NEVER EVER THROUGH A FIT IN THE STORE AGAIN. I did not leave a mark, nor hit her hard, but to say a spanking is wrong is well wrong. What this guy is talking about is insane, you shouldn't hit a kid in the face, you shouldn't leave marks on your child. But a spanking does not do that, and it does help show a kid the line. WOW I really am reconsidering stop listening to you guys. This is beginning to be a pattern of you telling us we are evil, losers, Neanderthals and worst for what we believe
"Studies have shown that spanking helps the growth of kids."
Cite your source.
www.nydailynews.com/life-style/spanking-kids-perform-better-school-helps-successful-study-article-1.457285
www.wikihow.com/Include-Spanking-in-Child-Discipline
scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1566&context=lcp Pros and Cons. Either way spanking (NOT BEATING) I have seen first hand, does not cause your child to be a bully. Other factors, not just spankings may lead your child to being a bully. All I know is my kids are not spoiled crazy people in public, and listen to me some what at home.
Why does your child need to get line
You know why, so when they are 13 years old and want to go hang with some idiots and I know if they do they will get in trouble or worst, some idiot white gun nut will mistake my unarmed kid for a gangsta. Either way, I want him to know when I say you better keep your butt home, he says, "guys I ain't going, my dad will whoop my butt if I do." Unlike your kids that will curse you out and do what they want. That's what I mean get in line. Kids are not Adults, they do not understand a majority of their decisions, and I do not want to explain myself every time I tell them no or yes.
Edward Funn
I didn't ask for a source that says spanking doesn't turn kids into bullies. I asked for a source that says spanking helps the growth of kids.
For once I completely disagree with TYT
Well I hope you don't have children or never do.
have fun beating your kids, they'll always hate you later in life even if they pretend not to
"When I was a kid, we got beat up by our parents, and that made us better people!"
- Someone from the same generation that did the Holocaust, nuked two civilian cities and did other horrible shit
I hate this " spare the rod, spoil the child" law! I think that whoever made this stupid, dangerous law comes from a dysfunctional family with a grudge against his/her parents and believes that every family in America is dysfunctional like his. I call this law dangerous, because it means that parents have to live in fear of this law and not correct the behavior of their bratty little kids. because of this stupid law, that gives kids excuses to disrespect and even beat up their own parents! I think we Americans should go to protest against this law and get rid of it! ameen.
"I deserve this! hit me daddy! hit me!" - Sean Hannity
Am I the only one who doesn't know what a "switch" is? What is it. I guess I didn't get beat enough to know this lingo
a stick used to beat your kid...piece of a tree most times
Lucky you. Switches suck..........and hurt.
its a small maybe 2 foot long or so tree limb that is usually fairly thin and flexible used as a kind of whip
it's basically a thin branch. The kind that make "whooshing" sounds when you whip them through the air.
All I got was the "chancleta" didn't know what a switch was either at first lol
I remember my Dad and older brother slapping their belt together to scare me into submission.
They say that they don't agree with corporeal punishment, yet it's okay for a cop to slam a 12-year-old girl into a police car and break her bones.
I was spanked as a child (not beaten, just spanked on the behind one or two times, and this was only if I knowingly did something extremely bad), I graduated high school in the top ten percent of my class, I've never gotten into legal trouble, I've never acted like Hannity, so I don't think that corporeal punishment destroys every child. I'm not saying that children should be spanked because I don't think they should, especially babies and small children. I didn't like to be spanked, so I tended to stay out of trouble. Timeout works. I babysat a three year old and she would do things that didn't make sense. I explained to her that it was wrong, I allowed her three strikes, and if she did it again, I sent her to timeout for three minutes (because she is three years old). She cried, but after her timeout was over, she apologized and said she wouldn't do it again. This worked with children ages 2 to 10 when I was babysitting them. Older kids usually do what they are told, but sometimes they do need to be disciplined. With older children, just take away privileges. If you take away their freetime or electronics, they will probably make sure that they do everything they are supposed to do so that that won't happen again.
On the flip side, we do need to find out a way to control the bad behavior of kids without hitting them. If it is illegal for an adult to hit another adult, then it should not be okay for an adult to hit and hurt a child. I know that a lot of parents seem to be afraid of their kids because I've actually known kids who threatened to call child protective services if their parents even yelled at them. Some kids that I know get away with bad behavior because the parents think that they will get in trouble for disciplining them, even if it doesn't involve spanking.
Even so, an occasional tap on the hand should not be criminal, but beating your child until there are nasty wounds on him is not okay. It makes me sick when someone does that.
Folks who support this kind of punishment, replace "kid" with "coworker" or "wife" or "boyfriend" or "dog" etc and it should hopefully make more sense then why beating your kids is just as bad if not worse than being violent with adults and animals. If it's wrong in those instances, it's wrong across the board. Talk to your kids. Trust me, if you raise them with respect and with verbal communication, it will make everyone's life easy.
Yeah...it's odd how people who are (justifiably) against an adult hitting his/her romantic partner (who would have a better chance at defending himself/herself than a child would) see nothing bad about a parent whooping on a child. Seriously disconnected...
That dog, wife, kid analogy perfect explains why it is wrong
yeah
show this to RUSSEL BRAND iwanna see how he trashes his allegations
trews breh.
Ahhh... It all makes sense now Sean!
It sure does. No heart. No compassion. No consistency. He should see a psychologist.
Well that explains Hannity's insanity.
"I turned out alright" and "I deserved it" is one hell of a rationalization done already on a child-level. Children de-facto blame themselves for shit that is out of their control; hell, it's not uncommon for them to believe that they're the root cause for the parent's breakup. If you can't communicate with your child without using violence, maybe you shouldn't be a fucking parent.
Quick point on this subject: I do think it's acceptable to use some physical punishment on a child TO A POINT. And not for every disciplinary reason either. Look, I guess you can say that I was a "good kid", and my parents rarely had to discipline me or my brother very often. But when they did, my mom was not hesitant to bring out the wooden spoon and swat our butts with it. Now, if we did something REALLY bad, (which was maybe two times in my whole life), then my father was the one to dole out the punishment, and that's when we really were scared. He'd bring out his belt and hit our butts with that.
But, in any of the times that we were disciplined like that, it was never to a point where we had anything more than a red mark for a day or two. My parents never were looking for excuses to beat their kids. They used the proper actions for each case. Most of the time we had things like our video games taken away, or grounded for a period of time. But, if for some reason if for example the grounding wasn't going to work, just the THREAT of being hit was enough to put us back in line.
I look at other people's kids today, and I see a problem. Kids fucking walk ALL OVER their parents, and they get away with murder. And I see the dumbfounded parents just all "Hey, if you keep doing that, I'll put you in time out!". Is that it? Is that all you got?
Now, no one solution is right for every child. But there is something that needs to be done when you see a kid that doesn't respect their parent's authority. Some kids just need to be swatted now and then. Some kids turn out fine if they are punished by simple things like grounding or having their toys taken away. Bottom line, just don't go looking to beat the shit out of your kids, but at the same time don't coddle them and just "talk" about what they did to be punished or some crap like that, kids don't understand that shit.
+RyoHazuki224 Well my mother did spank me occasionally when needed, and it wasn't beating. My father (divorced) did hit me pretty hard over something silly, I can't quite recall- but it was nothing to even raise a eyebrow over.
I don't enteract with him, I don't even want a phonecall with him at all- He's a damn failure and failed to do anything right. He couldn't discipline right, He couldn't raise a kid right, He didn't do anything RIGHT.
So If you start beating a child to the point of leaving Any marks, your taking it to far and should stop and maybe even seek help for yourself. The fact some people BEAT a kid to the point of bleeding- they should be locked away and beaten themselves one more time- Just to send home how much it hurts and Not to do it again. One more time, Won't hurt- Much.
So... Kids are Kids- Adults are Adults- Adults can usually take a bit more rough treatment... but Kids can't, or shouldn't.
It's like saying to a 9 year old, OK KID YOU GOT RAPED? HAVE THE KID, PICK YOURSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS AND GO WORK.
Not gonna happen... and that is (seemingly) what these right wingers expect.
I did stupid things when I was a kid. my mom would run after me with a wooden spoon and hit me with it hahahah. god bless her. she's an awesome woman.
Adam Nahari Is she dead.
No, she's alive
I live far from home. if I can go back in time and let her hit me I wouldn't mind, she's an awesome woman :)
Ok pal ,ok she is awesome
How hard??? Just wondering, my dad used to hit me, but not hard enough to get bruised.
Emily Strawberry
u can hit me lol big bruise
I was spanked as a child. As a result, I now suffer from a psychological condition known as respect for others.
+Daria D. Webs - I really don't agree. Consider the underlying message. It reinforces the belief that 'might makes right'. The parent becomes the bully.
Back in 1861, George Eliot's hero, Silas Marner, says 'I don't hold with punishment, it sours a person'.
Perhaps you can teach some level of respect with spanking. But the best way to teach respect is to show respect - to teach by example, to show the child respect. Otherwise, it's just saying 'Do as I say not as I do'.
+Daria D. Webs You mean fear right?
So...you can't teach kids respect and self-discipline without hitting them? Ooookay then...
+Daria D. Webs lol, you mean fear :).
+Rumi900 no spanking and whoever does it should go to jail and they should suffer like the same way kids suffer but these stupid ignorents parents!!!
There's a huge difference between spanking and beating.....huge difference. I don't know what kind of parents would be okay with drawing blood, severely bruising or tearing the flesh of their own child. That is beyond discipline...that is abuse.
Agreed. This is a debate of extremes, either you punch your kids or you never touch them.
I was spanked and turned out fine. A slap on the rear taught me not to lie and steal, but that's completely different than bleeding someone with a switch, or punching children. What's wrong with people...
Daniel Chapman
You presented a false dichotomy. Those aren't the only two options. There's also the option of negotiating with someone. Also, you can "touch" you kid lovingly. That doesn't involve using physical force, learn to spot the difference.
TheKiosk94 "Those aren't the only two options."
That was my point. Did you read my whole post?
Daniel Chapman
Actually I did and you presented a false dichotomy. You also misrepresented the viewpoint of the video as well, the psychologist never said never touch your kids, they said not to use corporal punishment, A slap on the rears does not resemble love, it is still in the corporal punishment category. Nowhere do you mention negotiating on your post, or anything related to peaceful parenting on your post.
TheKiosk94 "psychologist never said never touch your kids, they said not to use corporal punishment" Same thing. the argument is so extreme, that either you support the most severe corporal punishment (which is abuse) or none at all, thus *not touching your kids to punish them.* Are you thick in the head, bro?
"A slap on the rears does not resemble love, it is still in the corporal punishment category."
You're proving the dichotomy by saying that. Is there no middle ground? I think there's a giant difference to spanking a misbehaving child and punching them in the face or beating them with a switch. You can disagree, and that's your business, ain't gonna bother me if you do, but you have to be stupid or intellectually dishonest not to understand my point.
"Nowhere do you mention negotiating on your post, or anything related to peaceful parenting on your post."
What do you mean? I didn't mention Al Qaeda, Hawaii, or bananas either because they didn't have anything to do with my post. This post was about whether or not there is a middle ground between the most extreme corporal punishment and none at all. I'll repeat: I think there's a giant difference to spanking a misbehaving child and punching them in the face or beating them with a switch. You can disagree, and that's your business, ain't gonna bother me if you do, but you have to be stupid or intellectually dishonest not to understand my point.
What are kids so out of line and disrespectful today? Because they don't fear adults.
i got spanked when i was kid and i turned out fine
Some don't. Just because 2/3's of cigarette smokers don't get cancer doesn't mean you should smoke.
Yeah, that's what everyone says. Even the most messed up person would say, "I turned out fine." Sean Hannity thinks he's perfectly fine, but a lot of people will disagree.
No you didnt. If you turned out fine, you wouldn't be endorsing physical violence against children.
MrManas1995
I agree. Well observed.
Jonny Tan So your employer beats you when you make a mistake at work? How would that work out?
Still waiting for Hannity to be water boarded.
"So Sean, what exactly did you do that you feel deserved getting punched in the face, and if your child did that thing to you, would you punch them in the face?"
I'd love to see him answer this question.
Josef Stalin, like Hannity, said that he benefited from being beaten.
Cut me a switch boy, you'll never be a FOX NEWS Host unless you learn discipline.
Oh so dogs can defend themselves ?The most you could get for killing a dog is a few months in jail.Sadly no one gives a shit about animals even they are the most innocent and incapable to defend themselves.For children on the otherhand, child services would be there in an instant if they heard about abuse.
So let me get this straight. He was beaten with a belt multiple times and had welts on his legs, punched in the face, and was basically was a troubled kid. Troubled means youve done it multiple times. So obviously it doesnt work Sean which means your wrong....as usual
Do not lump child abuse and spanking together.
I am sorry but I think that certain situations do require a tougher stance. I am for corporal punishment within context. Back in my day (80s) there were no teenagers stealing cars or breaking into people's houses. You could leave your doors unlocked because you could trust everyone in your neighbourhood. Now, the couple of generations where smacking has been either reduced or removed, they get no consequences for what they do. Back in my day if the cops caught you doing something against the law, they would take you in and beat the crap out of you so you learned not to do it again. If you did it again, then you were done, detention centre. Now they just a slap on the wrist and sent home to the same idiots that let them go out without them in the first instance. I know of one teenager that has been arrested 4 -5 times for stealing cars and material items from shops and she is still out. I believe the punishments that were dealt out back int he 50's and 60's were a bit stupid i.e. getting the cuts for not completing home work etc. But some situations call for a harder stance. I know if my kids ever stole a car, there would be a whole mess of trouble for them. My kids know how hard I work to pay for our car and to put food on the table and how much it would affect me if my car got stolen.
Claim that Corporal punishment doesn't work. Is disingenuous. You can argue it has the potential to do (Mental)damage. But to claim saying a smack on the butt or the smack on the hand doesn't correct behavior would be like saying touching fire doesn't stop you from trying to touch it again. Corporal punishment does work. And it works almost immediately.
The problem is how it is applied. and how long the person recieving it weighs it against what they want to do. if Corporal punishment doesn't work. Why not say Capital punishment doesn't work?
is bad to ever hit an adult only because is a woman but is okay to hit a child only because is yours? okay. next teachers will have the right to hit students who misbehave.
Teacher's used to be able to hit kids. And I think in some states it's still legal.
MalikaiDragonSlayer
But we evolve as a species. But these comments reveal that apparently not everyone has who still think its acceptable to use VIOLENCE on a small child just learning the language of this world.
elessal: I grew up in the 1950s and teachers regularly punished children by giving them "the strap" on their hands. The strap was about 2 ft. long made of bonded leather and rubber making it very flexible. The child was required to stand in front of the classroom and extend his/her hands alternating left and right and the teacher would hit those hands with the strap until he/she felt the child had been sufficiently punished. Some teachers would use the pointer on a head and still others threw chalk or erasers. My husband grew up in Britain and there they had to bend over and receive a caning - they were beaten on their butts with a flexible cane (usually 6 times). Nowadays, in Canada and Britain, this is no longer done and a teacher who hits a child faces dismissal and/or prosecution.