Hey, everyone. This video is a bit different from my usual content. I hope you all understand that the best healer for Jingliu ultimately comes down to your personal preferences. Some of you might prefer Fu Xuan, while others might lean towards Luocha. The important thing is that we're all having fun. Cheers! Additionally, I apologize for the delay in getting this video out. The editing process ended up taking longer than I expected. I hope you still enjoyed the content. Thank you for watching, and bye~ 👋
Another thing in advantage to Fu Xuan is that, if Jingliu's kit works as it was leaked, her damage will scale with the hp loss by the rest of the team and Fu Xuan increses the max hp of the team using her skill, which ends up increasing her damage aside from the crit rate the skill gives (and crit dmg with her E1)
You're totally correct, some players will value those buffs that Fu Xuan gives with her skill more than what Luocha can offer in return. It comes back to players' preferences and the situation that the team will be playing in (MOC? Swarm Disaster 5? Etc) I don't have either, so I'm just crying in the corner, hugging my Bailu 😭
@@GoodestDuck I feel you man, skipped luocha for kafka when I only had Natasha as my solo sustain. At least with the introduction of lynx having 2 healers for MOC is a possible now... not entirely since i didn't get her when pulling but whatever 😓 Even though many peolple say Bailu is like Qiqi it feels like she's the one you wouldn't feel to bad to lose 50/50 to among the other units (I don't have her either 🤣)
@@SlL222 Really? Then 3500 hp is really average for any unit, maybe by leveling her traces it increases...? I really just saw how her kit works but not her values
@@noyvax That is what the "current" number should be. Her teammates will need to have an Average of 3.5k each but you can also have one teammate with tons of HP to compensate for other teammates. As long as the total hp drained reaches the threshold. Jingliu doesn't care where the HP comes from. Example 1: Fu Xuan has 8k HP. Your Tingyun would not need to reach 3.5k HP because Fu Xuan helps compensate. Do keep in mind, Jingliu's numbers can still change. Even when the Livestream happens, they usually don't give out the final numbers.
I have luocha and Fu Xuan (sorry 😅) and try to have Jingliu...i think using luocha with her if Blade is on the team or using Fu Xuan if Blade if on the other team for the MOC...but on SU want to try the Fu Xuan / Blade / Jingliu / Luocha 🤔
Luocha is much better for healing purposes. While Fu Xuan is excellent, when Jingliu is constantly hurting the team and Blade is hurting himself, using Fu Xuan might get challenging. Luocha's talent seems tailor-made to nullify Jingliu's HP drain, almost as if they are working together in the Main Story as well... 😉
Not going to lie, that part keeps slipping my mind and I use Bailu all the time(No Luocha/Fu Xuan) It's one of those traces that I read once and forget about it until someone mentions it lol
Bailu only healing is big problem. Natasha having Cleanse put her on same level as bare minimum. Well, yeah unless you run map where no enemy cc or debuffs she is great there.
One of Natasha's selling points is that cleanse. Some fortunate players never needed it because they have Bronya, but for those of us who didn't, Natasha was the shining light. Now with Lynx, I personally stopped using Natasha and haven't looked back since 😅
Fu Xuan for example is better for using the 4* lightcone Secret Vow (gradual decay of HP activating the double bonus DMG passive), and Natasha can complemente healing if needed (like chaos 10 for me). Luocha is better for healing but characters can still get one-shoted.
You're absolutely correct in that assessment. Even one of the best healer(Luocha) will have some form of weakness. I think that's awesome gameplay design to be honest. I don't want a perfect character that can do it all. Every healer mentioned in the video (even Natasha) can work with Jingliu. Some of them(Luocha and Fu Xuan) just require less management; hence why I kept using the term "Comfort." Each healer can excel in certain scenarios, it's up to the players to cook it up 🔥👍
I LOVE my luocha but since i also have aventurine i feel like i dont NEED another sustain, but sometimes i get lower investment characters one shotted/his heals already used up... kinda considering pulling Fu for scenarios where healing alone is not enough but maybe its overkill...
In awakened state I think she need ERR or tingyun to do ultimate to gain a stack again, since his enhance basic attack consume 1 stack Maybe its better to enter her alt state by his skill only. Therefore the ult can be used in alt state to immediately gain 1 stack again 🤔. Ultimate in her alt state has bonus attack or something right? 2 stack at the start of her alt state + 1 stack gained from the ult = 3 enhance basic attack
Garlic_breadl's comment is correct. Jingliu's Enhanced form will force the player to ONLY be able to use her Skill. This is most definitely by design so that we can't have her in her strongest form for the whole fight. That's not going to stop me from trying though 😤
She is unable to basic while in awakened state the real question is what happens if her turn in awakened state comes and there is no skillpoints available.
Fu Xuan means if you use Bronya with ideally her lightcone and e1 and you need to basic attack first for the Skill point economy but it advances her forward. If you have all the good stuff its great, but Luocha is easier to make work
Luocha certainly provides a level of comfort that the other sustain characters cannot match. Fu Xuan does bring her own advantages but it's a trade off so it's up to players on what they value more.
Atm I only have lynx (well have natasha but eh) but if I could I'd use Fu Xuan since I'll beputting Jingliu on the same team as my blade who enjoys the buffs fu xuan can give.
I wouldn’t compare Fu Xuan to luocha in term of healing, she more of a tank support, so of course her healing is not comparable to Luocha. There is one more advantage she has though is her damage output her ultimate does more damage, I built her to be a sub dps she help my F2p comp get through moc within a set amount of turn.
I just wanted viewers to know that Fu Xuan can heal but don't expect her raw healing to be Luocha level. I also made sure to mention that while Luocha heals more, Fu Xuan's skill offers way more benefits so it's up to players' preferences on who to pair up with Jingliu. Usage situation also plays a factor. If people are doing Blade + Jingliu, Luocha will shine more than Fu Xuan. I did not mention anything about Fu Xuan's potential to deal damage in the video. That was a mistake on my part. Those two healers are the premier characters in keeping the team alive. Having any one of them will make the game much more easier to play.
How much does loucha do I mean raw % Fu does 100% and yes she Is cracked she help s me kill mobs faster and mine hit 43k this moc with on trotter 3 -4 enemies
@@taya7704 I don't have the exact math but just looking at the numbers in their kit alone: Fu Xuan 1 Heal(Ult) - 5% of Fu Xuan's Max HP plus 133. *Aoe Luocha 1 Heal(Skill) - 40%-64% of Luocha's ATK plus 200-890 *His skill can auto use once per 2 turns. Luocha 2 Heal(Talent) - 12%-19.2% of Luocha's ATK plus 60-267 Part 2 of Luocha Trace - 7% of Luocha's ATK plus 93 *Aoe Luocha's healing will vary. He has more options and opportunities to heal while Fu Xuan can only heal via her Ult. I'm not saying Luocha > Fu Xuan. I strongly believe they're side grade of one another. It's just that healing is Luocha's forte while Fu Xuan provides a different set of sustain for the team. It call comes down to preferences of the players.
There one more thing you forgot to mention. Fu Xuan is good for any under level unit in this case my level 50 lynx she prevent her from getting one shot, you did mention a little bit right here 6:48. I think you’re talking about harder content like MOC and Swarm. Since I waste a lot of resources this patch I won’t have enough to get Jing liu to level 80 on her release therefore she will be very squishy unless she pair with Fu Xuan that prevent her dying from 1 or 2 hit. It might be very small detail that probably don’t matter for most people. I still think it worth giving a feedback.
You are correct. I was inferring about harder end game content such as MOC and Swarm 5. I should have elaborate more on Fu Xuan's ability to prevent teammates from getting one shot. Essentially, she reduces the damage they take by at least one-third. I appreciate your feedback. In such situations, Luocha may have difficulty keeping under-leveled or under-relic teammates alive because they are more susceptible to being one-shotted. Fu Xuan, on the other hand, excels in this aspect.
I'm early lol. But yeah per attack, team wide heals are the way of the game. Bailu's invigoration is good but it only works on enemy damage sources, not teammates. SO, the only good options is Luocha and Lynx. They both have really good aoe heal AND passive healing, and each have their each and individual benefits, but for Jing Liu, I think Lynx is actually better than Luocha because of many reasons. 1, it's on turn heals, which means you don't have to attack for it to proc, 2, she also cleanses the whole team along the way, and 3, she has high HP so Jing Liu can buff her attack more. The only downside to Lynx is maintaining the uptime on the ult so the entire team is healed. She is also usually slower, so she generates less SP for the team. Luocha on the other hand, instead of debuffing allies, he debuffs enemies instead. On top of that, his field is much easier to keep up than Lynx's when using energy regen and allows for emergency heals/debuffs. Not to mention, his single target healing ALSO debuffs which can help out selectively, especially on a fast Luocha. Overall, Luocha is definitely the 2nd best overall support (Healing + HP pool to buff Jing Liu). Luocha is usually fast because of just how much healing he provides, so he will provide more SP for the team. This is just my take on this. I'm not exactly sure how many turns Lynx's ult's passive heal is, but I'm pretty sure as long as it lasts 2 turns or more, it is better than Luocha. Because Jing Liu only drains on her special basic attacks, and that is capped at 3, so that's the initial heal, then the remaining 2 heals, not to mention Jing Liu doesn't even drain that much HP, so just one passive heal charge will probably heal a character who lost their HP 3 times to Jing Liu. Overall: As the video says, Luocha is definitely up there, but me personally, I believe Lynx is better. Jing Liu requires tanky teammates in order to make the best out of her HP --> ATK ability, so naturally, you don't need someone like Fu Xuan because it is highly unlikely tanky characters will get one shotted. Luocha: 9/10. Perks: More SP, Emergency heals, Debuff enemies Lynx: 9.5/10. Perks: Team wide debuff and cleanse. High HP for Jing Liu to utilize. Great video as always. I cant wait for Jing Liu to arrive. I am so damn hyped for her its actually insane. Also, Fu Xuan is really making this so freaking hard. Even if I have all the current sustains (Excluding Fu), her ability to basically remove teammates getting one shotted is SOO freaking good, not to mention her ability to shred enemy Quantum weakness. I also have like 70 pity after losing the previous 50/50, so I don't want to accidentally get Fu. I guess I'm gonna have to skip on Lynx as well... Gotta stay focused boys. Eyes on the prize.
As per the rules, let's just ignore Fu Xuan. She doesn't exist right now. Warp button will be fixed on October 11th. If the information from our trusty little birdie still holds true, then Jingliu's Action Advancement in her Enhanced Form will consume a turn of buffs that are active on Jingliu. Here's an example: - Bronya uses her skill on Jingliu(Normal Form 1 Stack) - Jingliu(Normal Form 1 Stack) user her Skill (1 Stack -> 2 Stacks) : Jingliu gets to attack again and Damage% increase for 1 turn. - Jingliu goes into Enhanced form -> 100% Action Advance - Jingliu in her Enhanced can attack again BUT she lost Bronya's skill's Damage % buff since that buff only lasts 1 turn. That interaction is very similar to Sushang's Action Advance. This means buff(s) like Lynx's Heal Over Time that has a turn count(counts on Jingliu's turn) will be consumed more quickly by Jingliu. This is also true for Tingyun's Benediction Buff. Fu Xuan and Luocha should be fine here since their skills are counted based on their own turns, not those of their allies. Ok, I have to stop here because it seems as if I'm trying to sell Fu Xuan. I promise, I am not a secret Hoyoverse Salesman. As always, it's great to have you here. 👍 Stay strong and these next 15~ days will pass by. Honestly, though, the next 15 days will probably feel extra slow...
I see. What I originally had in mind was to save Lynx's ultimate for when Jing Liu enters the buffed state (and starts taking ally hp) and so the heal covers the period of turns for Jing Liu's buffed state. This means that by the time she exits the buffed state, the healing over time would still be in effect to heal the damage done to teammates. That is so much more complicated, and it kinda made sense in my mind. But yeah, Luocha definitely makes more sense and is much, much easier to pull off. Every time I stop caring, theres always new videos saying how broken Fu is. Gotta stay strong, and thanks for the encouragement. I'm definitely gonna need it 😩
@@Azipyx That's actually quite the brilliant idea. I never thought about timing the Lynx ult like that to counteract Jingliu's drain. Every time I feel the need to get Fu Xuan, I say the magic spell: "Huohuo is coming." Now is Huohuo going to be any good? Too early to tell but I'm just using her as my Copium mechanism.
I think, luocha is the best healer for her, especially if you are running fast speedtuned jingliu and bronya 135-134spd, more turns she will do,more hp she drains, and a lot of ppl are going to match her with blade, and in that comp we will need very sp positive healer, cuz blade-bronya-jingliu aren’t sp positive, only bronya can be sp neutral, but it’s hard so give her 160spd. My 9k hp will be almost enough to reach the cap.
@@SlL222 In a Blade + Jingliu situation, the scale tips toward Luocha for sure. Healing isn't Fu Xuan's forte so adding an unstable HP factor like Blade is reducing the room for error on a Fu Xuan led team.
Personally, I want to run a team of Blade, Fu Xuan, lynx and Jing Liu. The idea is that lynx and fu xuan buff blade’s hp to make him do a lot of damage. Jing liu helps him deal more damage with her buffing his talent. Double sustain means they’re never dying and I can shoe horn this team into any content without thinking. The only issue with this is that currently, I only have natasha built up for my other MoC team. I’ve been using fu xuan on one team and lynx on the other to reach MoC 10. This is easily fixed by getting some items for March 7 or Fire MC though so I can run Jing Yuan, tingyun, fire mc/March and Natasha for my other team. 🙏 I’ve really been loving destruction units the most in this game so far. (I have Clara, just don’t use her atm, still love her though.) I’m planning on pulling for Sam as well! Hopefully he can replace my Jing Yuan… I really loved Jing at first because lightning lord is so cool! But he doesn’t actually feel that good to play (since lightning lord is so slow….). I personally also really wonder if Jing Liu will make the disciple set meta on any other units than blade since she can proc it for them. Probably not since the first buff is hp%, but maybe!
With Blade, Lynx, and Fu Xuan, Jingliu won't have any difficulty reaching her maximum HP drain. The drawback is that running double sustain means using a spot that could have gone to Bronya or Pela. It's a tradeoff. Destruction characters are also my favorite units. They all have their own unique gimmicks and playstyles that keep the combat interesting. I LOVE Sam's design. I just hope they don't turn him into a Fire Blade. The problem is that the LD Relic Set works incredibly well on Blade because it has 100% uptime for Blade only. Any other characters will need to rely on getting hit, which is unreliable. Jingliu makes that problem slightly better, but she also doesn't fully activate it.
Don't get me wrong, Krillin got that dawg in him. It's just that when the Saiyans are around and you take a closer look, it's more of a chihuahua instead 😂😂
@@GoodestDuck I know, dont worry, with Gepard(and sometimes fire MC too) my Seele team can survive without a healer. As a Blade haver, I want to see my man going brrr with Jingliu even if its risky with just Natasha... Hu tao players and their need to hurt themselves lol
I’m temporarily going to run Fu Xuan until Luocha gets re-ran unless the drip marketed healer appears better to me; I lost on his banner last time to a E1 Himeko
The Himeko >.< Huohuo (1.5 healer) might fill a different niche than Luocha. We'll get more info on her in a few weeks. You have plenty of time to decide.
Knowing Hoyo... lol. So far, every new characters have been good at the very least. Honkai is due for their "Dehya" 🤔 But I don't think Huohuo will be underwhelming, just a feeling.
damn our newest abundance might be the best for jingliu if the og kit leaks stay the same but luocha is all my account gonna see as an abundance unless a character I absolutely adore like luocha comes along the line
Luocha and Huohuo fit different needs despite both of them being Abundance characters. For players with both Luocha and Fu Xuan, it will take some crazy incentives to pull on Huohuo as well.
There is a new healer coming in 1.5 with the leaks Huo Huo herself, who just got drip marketed today, is speculated to be in the 1.5 patch as a 5* wind abundance character Good luck to those who are pulling for anyone in general!
Yes but she will not put a fight to FuXuan or Luocha since her focus is different, she's an energy regen based character and not a super healer/sustain like those other 2 She's more like a premium Tingyun
@@-XeLo- She will fill a much different niche-an offensive-minded one. Being a 5-star Abundance character, she will surely be able to solo sustain. Will she do it as effectively as characters like Luocha? Probably not, but if she helps my DPS shine brighter, then I'm all for it.
@@-XeLo-you don't know what you are saying, it's might be the ONLY character that increases energy recharge rate. So it might or might not make a new age of fast ult teams. With her and tinyung in the same party
I only have Natasha ivi but al try to get lynx and maybe bailiu from stander banner :D btw im not pulling on fu xuan banners bc I’m saving for jingliu:)
Short answer: Luocha is more comfortable to use because his healing is stronger and he is more SP efficient. Fu Xuan has more buffs that can benefit Jingliu but the cost is weaker healing and less SP efficient. Those two are close enough in performance that I would recommend going with what attributes you favor. Alternative answer: Huohuo. Hands down the best offensive sustain character in the game.
I'm so salty over losing my 50/50 to Gepard E1 - could've had better coverage of my team with Fu Xuan. Surely Bailu would still suffice and my account is not eternally bricked... r-right?
If you REALLY force it, Gepard might still work with Jingliu in short fights... In long fights, I don't see it happening. I could be wrong though. Bailu will work. Her healing is top notch. It might be tricky if you're up against certain bosses with hard CC. At that point, you might have to switch to your free Natasha or Lynx if you have her. Of course, if you are lucky then a Bronya will solve all your problems... Bronya is such a broken character lmao
I do believe Fu Xuan is probably the best character in the game but to me I'd prefer Luocha's healing just so I can synergize Blade with Jingliu and synergize Luocha's healing with Jingliu's hp-taking from allies skill
With Blade in the team, it'll get tricky with the HP scenario. Really will be dancing on knife's edge if not managed correctly. It might be the most fun team to run tbh. In a Blade + Jingliu setting, Luocha will excel more than Fu Xuan since healing isn't exactly Fu Xuan's forte. While Fu Xuan can heal, she's not Luocha level healing.
The cost being Fu Xuan will need to use SP more often compare to Luocha. It's preferences. Some players may view that as absolute "WORTH IT" and deem Fu Xuan the superior sustain character but some other players may like the SP Battery aspect of Luocha.
I would use the iPod, because imagine pulling on the Fu Xuan banner, only aiming for Lynx. Suddenly Fu Xuan boo scares you, now you have a character you weren't aiming for, you are no longer guaranteed to win the 50/50 on the next banner and don't have enough stellar jade to 100% guarantee even a single Jingliu. Sorry but the gamble isn't worth it, so iPod for me.
@@GoodestDuck My man try to understand. I don't have a single 5* hunt or destruction unit on my account. On the other hand I have Gepard, MC, March & Nat and I'm doing okay.
Mihoyo has done the whole "consume HP to boost damage" thing before. In Genshin you see it in Hu Tao, the recently released Neuvilette, and the upcoming Furina. In Star Rail, Blade and Arlan also do it. However, Blade and Arlan only consume their own HP and they have healing mechanics in their kit which offloads some of the healing pressure. Jingliu however has way higher pressure. She does AOE damage to your team and has zero healing mechanics. This means you don't just need to sustain, you need to AOE sustain. And frankly the fact that all you get in return for receiving friendly-fire AOE DMG is... just raw damage numbers is a little disappointing. As I always like to say, raw damage is just a number waiting to be power-crept by future DPS. If her enhanced skill also came with some other powerful effect like defense-reduction on the enemies hit or DMG boost to all allies who had their HP absorbed, it would at least make her bit more future proof thanks to those extra buffing potential. But she has nothing of that sort. Not even in traces/eidolons.
The subject of how future-proof Jingliu is can be tricky. So far, Blade is the most future-proof character due to his SP efficiency. Even if a stronger Wind Damage dealer emerges, Blade can still serve as the second DPS at worst. We can also examine the subject of SP Efficiency with Jingliu. She isn't as SP-efficient as Blade, but compared to other Damage dealers, she doesn't require as much SP. The trade-off for Jingliu is that she uses HP as a resource instead of SP. It's much easier to justify if we assign a specific value to how much HP she actually drains. Let's use 4% for the sake of this discussion. Assuming Jingliu's teammate Tingyun has 3k HP, Jingliu's 4% drain will only be 120 HP out of 3000 HP. That's a very small sacrifice compared to using 1 SP as a resource. While Jingliu's drain doesn't directly benefit any of her teammates, saving SP indirectly allows players to have more room for maneuvering. Edit: For formatting and clarity.
I have Bronya who can cleanse with her skill, and I have Lynx, Bailu and Natasha to chose from for heals. Which healer would you say I should chose? Can Bronya solo cleanse enough to let Bailu heal in peace or do I need to swap her out for Lynx for better cleansing?
Bronya's cleanse is on her skill, so if you ever use Bronya's skill to cleanse, the tradeoff is that you lose a turn of using the skill on your damage dealer instead. My personal bias is that Lynx completely outclasses Natasha so there's no reason to choose Natasha ever with Lynx available. Bailu vs Lynx comes down to your team and preferences. For instance - With Blade on the team, I prefer Lynx because of the synergy with Blade. - With Tingyun/Pela + Bronya, I prefer Bailu because Bronya can cleanse for me worst case scenario and Bailu can heal more and there is an emergency resurrection incase I mess up. - If enemies have too much CC for Bronya to handle(AoE CC) , then I might switch back to Lynx It's very situational, and you'll have to make the decision based on what fight you're taking them into.
bro is there any way we only do one cycle of SU on monday without doing it 2 times every single week.. its time taking and boring !! any tips or ideas ?
2 times per week is going to be the constant until hoyo changes it but there are ways to speed up SU clear time. 1)Certain characters such as Ruan Mei can basically instant clear basic mobs with her technique upon entering battle. Can use food to replenish SP points. *acheron is "rumored" to be able to instant kill Basic mobs with her technique without even entering battle! She might be able to speed run through SU 😆 2) always pick offensive paths, I usually just go with Hunt.
@@GoodestDuckbut is acheron coming on 1st or 2nd phase ?? And personally love the nihility myself ....for sure hunt is strong AF.... I am saving for acheron. Saw the leaks and stuff and am mesmerized .. mono chromatic multi hits made me feel she is stronger than jingliu 😅😅😅 and wonder who she pairs good with !! BS and Kafka damn .... Can't wait for her ..but building units is a mess in HSR... so less resources. 😣😞 Please do detailed guide once she comes out please 🙏🙏🙏 🥺 PLEASE
You have a few routes to choose from. You will need two 'Sustain' characters if you ever want to beat End Game Content 'comfortably,' especially MOC, which has bi-weekly rewards that refresh. You can: A) Get Fu Xuan now and risk not being able to obtain the 1.4 characters. B) Ignore Fu Xuan and go for Huohuo in 1.5, which is a little over a month away.
Thanks, always appreciate the support. I can't provide the most accurate advice without knowing certain details, such as - your trailblazer level - your other characters - how far you've progressed in end-game content like Swarm Disaster and MOC However, I can offer some suggestions based on what I know. Currently, you have three opportunities to obtain a 5-star Sustain character. Fu Xuan is available now, Huohuo will be in 1.5, and there will be a Luocha rerun sometime after Huohuo. Beyond that, it's a bit unclear. Both Jingliu and Topaz are excellent damage dealers. Jingliu leans slightly more toward maximizing her own damage output, while Topaz focuses a bit more on amplifying follow-up attacks, like Clara or Jing Yuan. My recommendation is to go for Jingliu if you're torn between the two. Tingyun is widely considered the second-best Harmony character in the game right now and you can use QQ as your Quantum damage dealer. The JIngliu banner provides more "Bang for your Buck" After obtaining Jingliu, you can save the rest of your resources for Huohuo in 1.5 or the Luocha rerun a few months later. I've provided a lengthy response, so please feel free to let me know if there's any part of it that wasn't clear. 👍
@GoodestDuck Thanks yea I understand I'm level 66 for swarm i a little less then halfway and moc I haven't tried lol my ting is pretty well built and QQ haven't touched at all thanks alot I really appreciate your advice I will most likely be pulling for fu xuan to help my account more
@@KnightOblivion25 Fu Xuan will definitely bring a significant improvement to your account since Natasha is your only sustain character at the moment. She will greatly enhance your quality of gameplay. 👍 Good luck on the pulls.
Granted when talking about Luocha in MOC/normal content there is no one better, that is a fact. However if you are adding Swarm Disaster to the equation especially Swarm 5 than Luocha although still good is not the end all be all. He can't save your team if you are getting one shot in Swarm. Ever took a Deer buff aoe to the face....yeah, Luocha & everyone is dead. So in Swarm 5 there are times where Bailu can be a better option. Heck there's even a solo Swarm 5 Natasha video out there. So point being any healer will work with Jing Liu, just use whoever you have if you decide to pull for her.
Correct, it will always depend on the use case scenario. Certain healers will excel in some situations while not being as strong in others. It is up to the players to cook.
Yep, I completely forgot about that Trace 👍 It does all the work in the background and isn't flashy so I just forget about it all the time. It does help out a lot, makes Bailu's ult more than just a 1 turn heal which further makes me believe that Bailu is one of the best at healing.
I really doubt Fu Xuan alone is gonna be able to solo sustain a Jingliu team unless you just never let the enemies attack at all. 4% EVERY ACTION means Jingliu is going to eat 16% of your team's HP every cycle....and Fu Xuan only heals like, 500 HP if you build her with as much HP as possible. The chip damage on top of the drain will eventually be too much for her to handle. You would need to run her and probably Lynx since she can also provide some utility with taunt and atk buffs (at E4), or well any other healer. Which is a shame cuz Fu Xuan increasing your team's max HP is really great to let Jingliu get more ATK
4% every action in her "Enhance form." This means Jingliu only gets to drain her teammates 2 times before reverting back to her normal form. 3 times if she uses her Ult while in Enhance Form. If my Tingyun has 3000 HP, 4% of that is ONLY 120. After Jingliu attacks twice in her Enhance form, that's only 240 HP lost from my weak and frail Tingyun. Fu Xuan can sustain Jingliu just not as comfortable as Luocha will be able to. What Fu Xuan brings in exchange is much more utilities as you've mentioned.
@@GoodestDuck her ult also counts if she uses it while already enhanced ( which you should cuz come on, 50% free crit rate+ 20% damage boost and also a bonus enhanced skill which is like 75% of her damage output why would you pass that up) so that's 4 drains on every Jingliu damage cycle. Pair that damage with the damage from enemies and in harder content Fu Xuan might not be able to keep up
4% HP drain is so tiny bruh and someone already used Jingliu and Fu Xuan in MoC10 in the beta. Fu Xuan without Signature LC sustained Jingliu hypercarry team with Bronya and Pela. Nobody died btw.
Pela will benefit your Jingliu more overall in all scenarios. I can see certain situations where having Sushang as a secondary DPS for physical weak bosses will do wonders. Jingliu is SP efficient enough to play well with others. Just keep cooking. Good luck on the pulls.
The two should be Pela and Silverwolf. Pela is a 4 star so she is naturally much more accessible to most players. Her defense shred and ice res shred(E4) makes her one of Jingliu's most desirable support character. Silverwolf is a limited 5 star character. If you missed her on her first run then you have to wait for her rerun banner. Silverwolf is a cheat code. She makes the game much easier. She can unlock pseudo mono ice team with her element change. By running Silverwolf, Lynx, Jingliu, Pela -> This team allows you to force Ice on any enemies with Quantum weakness.
@@ItsMarypool Lynx's skill does increase the Aggro chance of the character being healed. The good news is, getting hit also regenerates energy. The bad news is, it can get scary if the enemies all decide to focus fire your low health Jingliu after she just received a heal from Lynx. Lynx was more tailored made for Blade/Clara and other Preservation Characters.
Adding Blade into the equation does tip the scale over to Luocha's side. Fu Xuan's one minor flaw is that her healing numbers are nearly as high as Luocha's. With Blade + Jingliu, it will be much more tricky when it comes to HP management. Less room for error. One misplay and Blade might be down lol
How much steller jades can we get in 1.4 1 half any idea?? I am with 100 pulls for E0S1 jingliu I know impossible but that greediness for her lc ahhhh.
I don't know if you have any guarantee but I assume you don't so this is going to be a bit tricky lol I like the attitude though. All you need is one ticket to get a JIngliu. Just believe!!! Even if you have 0 Jades right now, there are still 13/14 days left(1.3) and a whole 21 days for 1.4 Part 1. There will be - Monthly reset. - Odyssey Login - Weekly SU Resets - Daily Missions - Bi Weekly MOC Resets - The remaining days for the Space Station Task Force Event from 1.3 - Whatever events in 1.4 part 1 - 300 jades from livestream - However many jades from Maintenance I am for sure missing some jade sources here and there but that should be enough for you to scrape around 60+ pulls at least? The count may vary depending on how far your MOC/SU/TL Level/etc but all hope is not lost. I would say Good Luck to your pulls but you don't need it because I know you'll get that Jingliu in your first 10 pull 👍
@@GoodestDuck Look s like I have hope. she not guaranteed. I have swarm 80% left .Soo spending the rest of my days with those bugs .I only cleared lv 4.I need to stay strong Oh and LC banner has 30 pity I will first get jingliu and then her LC .
@@taya7704 That's a solid game plan. Swarm 5 can get frustrating. Some even find it harder than MOC 10. Slowly chip away at it. The journey of an E0S1 Jingliu starts with a single bug getting squashed. Also you probably already know this, but do remember to grab the redemption code from the 1.4 Official Livestream this Friday. The exact time is 7:30 AM EST.
I hear Jingliu is the best in teams with Luocha and Blade, however I dont have either of those, I just have Fu xuan and Lynx E5. I don't know if I make it if I try to save for Jingliu as I don't have any jades, so I think I am forced to wait for Topaz
This is my quick estimation so I might be off from the actual count: Even if you have 0 Jades right now, there are still 15 days left(1.3) and a whole 21 days for 1.4 Part 1. There will be - Monthly reset. - Odyssey Login - Weekly SU Resets - Daily Missions - Bi Weekly MOC Resets - The remaining days for the Space Station Task Force Event from 1.3 - Whatever events in 1.4 part 1 - 300 jades from livestream - However many jades from Maintenance I am for sure missing some jade sources here and there but that should be enough for you to scrape around 60+ pulls at least? The count may vary depending on how far your MOC/SU/TL Level/etc but all hope is not lost. Good luck on whoever you do decide to pull on 🍀
If you plan to run the double damage dealer team of Jingliu + Blade then Fu Xuan might not work as well. Fu Xuan can heal a decent amount but the raw healing number isn't as strong as standard healers like Natasha/Bailu. It will depend on your preferences if you're running Jingliu + Blade: Fu Xuan can still work but there are less room for error when it comes to HP management. You do get team wide benefits from Fu Xuan though. Bailu is a better healer than both Fu Xuan and Natasha but she lacks cleanse. Natasha has decent heal and a cleanse so she's more of a middle ground.
Gepard in any other team is MVP. The issue with Gepard + Jingliu issue is that Gepard does not heal. Jingliu will slowly drain away all her teammates' hp. Her drain goes through shields just like how Blade's drain goes through Gepard's shield.
@@GoodestDuck add abundance luocha or other healers and problem is solved. And blade is for fu xian not for gepard. He has own healer which will be future 1.5 Huohuo because fuxian has a damage mitigation which allow using other healers as extra harmony. And no have focused so much of the healing.
@@Igraphi7335 OH, I see. You meant adding a healer with Gepard + Jingliu to fix the issue. That might be happen for Swarm 5 tbh. I only mentioned Blade in my previous comment to use as an example to show that "Shields cannot prevent HP Drain." I do agree with you, Gepard is not for Blade.
Im honesty baffled that the devs gave fu xuan healing, it completely undermines every healer in the gave, including loucha. Its the epitome of bad design.
It'll continue to follow this pattern. Characters will have certain traits that doesn't belong to their path. It makes it more fun for us players to team build but if they mess up, we can easily have a character that can tank, do damage, buff and heal teammates. It could get out of hand fast.
It's too late for me now. She can insta-kill the enemies with her ult and I still won't be spending any tickets on her now. Everything is reserved for Jingliu in 10 days from now 😓
Idk why I'm watching this video like i don't literally only have natasha XD (i cant get lynx or Fu Xuan or ill loose my gurantee for Jingliu and not have enough pulls so gg)
Jingliu is priority, everyone else can wait. If you have to use Natasha then so be it. She's not a bad healer. She is simply not as strong as characters like Luocha/Fu Xuan. Hope you get Jingliu early since you already have her guarantee.
@GoodestDuck well actually I lost fu xuan weapon banner on 6 pity on accident and guarantee moves between banners apparently so I have a guarantee for that too EZ, also I've lost the weapon banner 75% chance literally all 3 times
lol sorry. In a 4 person race, someone has to come in 4th. Natasha isn't bad in a vacuum, don't get me wrong. She just isn't as strong as the premier characters such as Luocha/Fu Xuan.
@@minetee1125 Natasha is not bad at all, seriously she's not. She has help keep my team warm from 1.0 to 1.3. Now she's warming the bench because I have Lynx now 😏
Tbh with more abundance characters release,Natasha is slightly dozing off So don’t cope for Natasha y’all,like her technique is literally worse plus she’s sp negative
While Fu Xuan's raw healing numbers may be lower than other healers, it is still not something to scoff at. Her two damage mitigations will do wonders to keep the team alive in the short term. With that said, a Jingliu team definitely won't be as comfortable, HP wise, as a Luocha led team. Fu Xuan just provides other benefits so it's really is up to players' preferences.
Hey, everyone. This video is a bit different from my usual content. I hope you all understand that the best healer for Jingliu ultimately comes down to your personal preferences. Some of you might prefer Fu Xuan, while others might lean towards Luocha. The important thing is that we're all having fun. Cheers!
Additionally, I apologize for the delay in getting this video out. The editing process ended up taking longer than I expected. I hope you still enjoyed the content. Thank you for watching, and bye~ 👋
Huo Huo might be the best?
Edit: I forgot to add "I have a dream that"
Some people having dreams, some people talking to birdies...
This community is insane 😂
I agree with you though. I'm high on the Huohuo stocks.
Another thing in advantage to Fu Xuan is that, if Jingliu's kit works as it was leaked, her damage will scale with the hp loss by the rest of the team and Fu Xuan increses the max hp of the team using her skill, which ends up increasing her damage aside from the crit rate the skill gives (and crit dmg with her E1)
You're totally correct, some players will value those buffs that Fu Xuan gives with her skill more than what Luocha can offer in return. It comes back to players' preferences and the situation that the team will be playing in (MOC? Swarm Disaster 5? Etc)
I don't have either, so I'm just crying in the corner, hugging my Bailu 😭
It won’t increase her damage much, cuz we have the cap, right for now you need less than 3500hp average.
@@GoodestDuck I feel you man, skipped luocha for kafka when I only had Natasha as my solo sustain. At least with the introduction of lynx having 2 healers for MOC is a possible now... not entirely since i didn't get her when pulling but whatever 😓
Even though many peolple say Bailu is like Qiqi it feels like she's the one you wouldn't feel to bad to lose 50/50 to among the other units (I don't have her either 🤣)
@@SlL222 Really? Then 3500 hp is really average for any unit, maybe by leveling her traces it increases...? I really just saw how her kit works but not her values
@@noyvax That is what the "current" number should be.
Her teammates will need to have an Average of 3.5k each but you can also have one teammate with tons of HP to compensate for other teammates.
As long as the total hp drained reaches the threshold. Jingliu doesn't care where the HP comes from.
Example 1: Fu Xuan has 8k HP. Your Tingyun would not need to reach 3.5k HP because Fu Xuan helps compensate.
Do keep in mind, Jingliu's numbers can still change. Even when the Livestream happens, they usually don't give out the final numbers.
I love how in the end you ever so subtly hint at the upcoming Huohuo and then YT recommends me your Huohuo video.
That RUclips Algorithm lol. Thanks for checking out this video too 👍
I have luocha and Fu Xuan (sorry 😅) and try to have Jingliu...i think using luocha with her if Blade is on the team or using Fu Xuan if Blade if on the other team for the MOC...but on SU want to try the Fu Xuan / Blade / Jingliu / Luocha 🤔
Luocha is much better for healing purposes. While Fu Xuan is excellent, when Jingliu is constantly hurting the team and Blade is hurting himself, using Fu Xuan might get challenging. Luocha's talent seems tailor-made to nullify Jingliu's HP drain, almost as if they are working together in the Main Story as well... 😉
I like to keep bringing up that Bailu actually has damage reduction in her kit as well, which comes in handy.
Not going to lie, that part keeps slipping my mind and I use Bailu all the time(No Luocha/Fu Xuan)
It's one of those traces that I read once and forget about it until someone mentions it lol
@@GoodestDuck happy to be that someone lol
She also has a max hp buff as well right?
@@Sunny-zf1cm I think if she overheals you get more max HP. It's not a crazy amount but it's nice
Bailu only healing is big problem. Natasha having Cleanse put her on same level as bare minimum. Well, yeah unless you run map where no enemy cc or debuffs she is great there.
One of Natasha's selling points is that cleanse. Some fortunate players never needed it because they have Bronya, but for those of us who didn't, Natasha was the shining light. Now with Lynx, I personally stopped using Natasha and haven't looked back since 😅
Fu Xuan for example is better for using the 4* lightcone Secret Vow (gradual decay of HP activating the double bonus DMG passive), and Natasha can complemente healing if needed (like chaos 10 for me).
Luocha is better for healing but characters can still get one-shoted.
You're absolutely correct in that assessment. Even one of the best healer(Luocha) will have some form of weakness. I think that's awesome gameplay design to be honest. I don't want a perfect character that can do it all.
Every healer mentioned in the video (even Natasha) can work with Jingliu. Some of them(Luocha and Fu Xuan) just require less management; hence why I kept using the term "Comfort."
Each healer can excel in certain scenarios, it's up to the players to cook it up 🔥👍
I LOVE my luocha but since i also have aventurine i feel like i dont NEED another sustain, but sometimes i get lower investment characters one shotted/his heals already used up... kinda considering pulling Fu for scenarios where healing alone is not enough but maybe its overkill...
Two Sustains should be enough for most but can't complain with having more options to choose from.
I don't have Luocha but my E3 Fu Xuan should be perfect. Lynx can go to the Kafka team since it doesn't need crit buffs that much
E3 Fu Xuan is insane 😲😲
You just win the game lol
Moreover, it also depends if it is possible to keep Jing Liu in her awakened state by using autos instead of skill.
When in her awakened state her basic attack is not accessible anymore.
In awakened state I think she need ERR or tingyun to do ultimate to gain a stack again, since his enhance basic attack consume 1 stack
Maybe its better to enter her alt state by his skill only. Therefore the ult can be used in alt state to immediately gain 1 stack again 🤔. Ultimate in her alt state has bonus attack or something right?
2 stack at the start of her alt state + 1 stack gained from the ult = 3 enhance basic attack
Garlic_breadl's comment is correct. Jingliu's Enhanced form will force the player to ONLY be able to use her Skill.
This is most definitely by design so that we can't have her in her strongest form for the whole fight.
That's not going to stop me from trying though 😤
She is unable to basic while in awakened state the real question is what happens if her turn in awakened state comes and there is no skillpoints available.
@@martibg5011 In her awakened state she does not consume skill points.
Fu Xuan means if you use Bronya with ideally her lightcone and e1 and you need to basic attack first for the Skill point economy but it advances her forward. If you have all the good stuff its great, but Luocha is easier to make work
Luocha certainly provides a level of comfort that the other sustain characters cannot match. Fu Xuan does bring her own advantages but it's a trade off so it's up to players on what they value more.
Atm I only have lynx (well have natasha but eh) but if I could I'd use Fu Xuan since I'll beputting Jingliu on the same team as my blade who enjoys the buffs fu xuan can give.
You can also skip Fu Xuan and get Huohuo in 1.5; she will most likely be another incredibly strong sustain character.
I wouldn’t compare Fu Xuan to luocha in term of healing, she more of a tank support, so of course her healing is not comparable to Luocha.
There is one more advantage she has though is her damage output her ultimate does more damage, I built her to be a sub dps she help my F2p comp get through moc within a set amount of turn.
I just wanted viewers to know that Fu Xuan can heal but don't expect her raw healing to be Luocha level. I also made sure to mention that while Luocha heals more, Fu Xuan's skill offers way more benefits so it's up to players' preferences on who to pair up with Jingliu.
Usage situation also plays a factor. If people are doing Blade + Jingliu, Luocha will shine more than Fu Xuan.
I did not mention anything about Fu Xuan's potential to deal damage in the video. That was a mistake on my part.
Those two healers are the premier characters in keeping the team alive. Having any one of them will make the game much more easier to play.
How much does loucha do I mean raw %
Fu does 100% and yes she Is cracked she help s me kill mobs faster and mine hit 43k this moc with on trotter 3 -4 enemies
@@taya7704 I don't have the exact math but just looking at the numbers in their kit alone:
Fu Xuan 1 Heal(Ult) - 5% of Fu Xuan's Max HP plus 133. *Aoe
Luocha 1 Heal(Skill) - 40%-64% of Luocha's ATK plus 200-890 *His skill can auto use once per 2 turns.
Luocha 2 Heal(Talent) - 12%-19.2% of Luocha's ATK plus 60-267
Part 2 of Luocha Trace - 7% of Luocha's ATK plus 93 *Aoe
Luocha's healing will vary. He has more options and opportunities to heal while Fu Xuan can only heal via her Ult.
I'm not saying Luocha > Fu Xuan. I strongly believe they're side grade of one another. It's just that healing is Luocha's forte while Fu Xuan provides a different set of sustain for the team. It call comes down to preferences of the players.
There one more thing you forgot to mention. Fu Xuan is good for any under level unit in this case my level 50 lynx she prevent her from getting one shot, you did mention a little bit right here 6:48. I think you’re talking about harder content like MOC and Swarm.
Since I waste a lot of resources this patch I won’t have enough to get Jing liu to level 80 on her release therefore she will be very squishy unless she pair with Fu Xuan that prevent her dying from 1 or 2 hit.
It might be very small detail that probably don’t matter for most people. I still think it worth giving a feedback.
Not at all, you have a very good point. I was convinced that Loucha is better. Until I read your comment.
You are correct. I was inferring about harder end game content such as MOC and Swarm 5. I should have elaborate more on Fu Xuan's ability to prevent teammates from getting one shot. Essentially, she reduces the damage they take by at least one-third.
I appreciate your feedback. In such situations, Luocha may have difficulty keeping under-leveled or under-relic teammates alive because they are more susceptible to being one-shotted. Fu Xuan, on the other hand, excels in this aspect.
Himemori, do you play on EU AS or NA?
I'm early lol. But yeah per attack, team wide heals are the way of the game. Bailu's invigoration is good but it only works on enemy damage sources, not teammates. SO, the only good options is Luocha and Lynx.
They both have really good aoe heal AND passive healing, and each have their each and individual benefits, but for Jing Liu, I think Lynx is actually better than Luocha because of many reasons. 1, it's on turn heals, which means you don't have to attack for it to proc, 2, she also cleanses the whole team along the way, and 3, she has high HP so Jing Liu can buff her attack more. The only downside to Lynx is maintaining the uptime on the ult so the entire team is healed. She is also usually slower, so she generates less SP for the team.
Luocha on the other hand, instead of debuffing allies, he debuffs enemies instead. On top of that, his field is much easier to keep up than Lynx's when using energy regen and allows for emergency heals/debuffs. Not to mention, his single target healing ALSO debuffs which can help out selectively, especially on a fast Luocha. Overall, Luocha is definitely the 2nd best overall support (Healing + HP pool to buff Jing Liu). Luocha is usually fast because of just how much healing he provides, so he will provide more SP for the team.
This is just my take on this. I'm not exactly sure how many turns Lynx's ult's passive heal is, but I'm pretty sure as long as it lasts 2 turns or more, it is better than Luocha. Because Jing Liu only drains on her special basic attacks, and that is capped at 3, so that's the initial heal, then the remaining 2 heals, not to mention Jing Liu doesn't even drain that much HP, so just one passive heal charge will probably heal a character who lost their HP 3 times to Jing Liu.
Overall:
As the video says, Luocha is definitely up there, but me personally, I believe Lynx is better. Jing Liu requires tanky teammates in order to make the best out of her HP --> ATK ability, so naturally, you don't need someone like Fu Xuan because it is highly unlikely tanky characters will get one shotted.
Luocha: 9/10. Perks: More SP, Emergency heals, Debuff enemies
Lynx: 9.5/10. Perks: Team wide debuff and cleanse. High HP for Jing Liu to utilize.
Great video as always. I cant wait for Jing Liu to arrive. I am so damn hyped for her its actually insane. Also, Fu Xuan is really making this so freaking hard. Even if I have all the current sustains (Excluding Fu), her ability to basically remove teammates getting one shotted is SOO freaking good, not to mention her ability to shred enemy Quantum weakness. I also have like 70 pity after losing the previous 50/50, so I don't want to accidentally get Fu. I guess I'm gonna have to skip on Lynx as well...
Gotta stay focused boys. Eyes on the prize.
As per the rules, let's just ignore Fu Xuan. She doesn't exist right now. Warp button will be fixed on October 11th.
If the information from our trusty little birdie still holds true, then Jingliu's Action Advancement in her Enhanced Form will consume a turn of buffs that are active on Jingliu. Here's an example:
- Bronya uses her skill on Jingliu(Normal Form 1 Stack)
- Jingliu(Normal Form 1 Stack) user her Skill (1 Stack -> 2 Stacks) : Jingliu gets to attack again and Damage% increase for 1 turn.
- Jingliu goes into Enhanced form -> 100% Action Advance
- Jingliu in her Enhanced can attack again BUT she lost Bronya's skill's Damage % buff since that buff only lasts 1 turn.
That interaction is very similar to Sushang's Action Advance. This means buff(s) like Lynx's Heal Over Time that has a turn count(counts on Jingliu's turn) will be consumed more quickly by Jingliu. This is also true for Tingyun's Benediction Buff.
Fu Xuan and Luocha should be fine here since their skills are counted based on their own turns, not those of their allies.
Ok, I have to stop here because it seems as if I'm trying to sell Fu Xuan. I promise, I am not a secret Hoyoverse Salesman.
As always, it's great to have you here. 👍
Stay strong and these next 15~ days will pass by.
Honestly, though, the next 15 days will probably feel extra slow...
I see. What I originally had in mind was to save Lynx's ultimate for when Jing Liu enters the buffed state (and starts taking ally hp) and so the heal covers the period of turns for Jing Liu's buffed state. This means that by the time she exits the buffed state, the healing over time would still be in effect to heal the damage done to teammates.
That is so much more complicated, and it kinda made sense in my mind. But yeah, Luocha definitely makes more sense and is much, much easier to pull off.
Every time I stop caring, theres always new videos saying how broken Fu is. Gotta stay strong, and thanks for the encouragement. I'm definitely gonna need it 😩
@@Azipyx That's actually quite the brilliant idea. I never thought about timing the Lynx ult like that to counteract Jingliu's drain.
Every time I feel the need to get Fu Xuan, I say the magic spell: "Huohuo is coming."
Now is Huohuo going to be any good? Too early to tell but I'm just using her as my Copium mechanism.
I think, luocha is the best healer for her, especially if you are running fast speedtuned jingliu and bronya 135-134spd, more turns she will do,more hp she drains, and a lot of ppl are going to match her with blade, and in that comp we will need very sp positive healer, cuz blade-bronya-jingliu aren’t sp positive, only bronya can be sp neutral, but it’s hard so give her 160spd. My 9k hp will be almost enough to reach the cap.
@@SlL222 In a Blade + Jingliu situation, the scale tips toward Luocha for sure.
Healing isn't Fu Xuan's forte so adding an unstable HP factor like Blade is reducing the room for error on a Fu Xuan led team.
Personally, I want to run a team of Blade, Fu Xuan, lynx and Jing Liu. The idea is that lynx and fu xuan buff blade’s hp to make him do a lot of damage. Jing liu helps him deal more damage with her buffing his talent. Double sustain means they’re never dying and I can shoe horn this team into any content without thinking.
The only issue with this is that currently, I only have natasha built up for my other MoC team. I’ve been using fu xuan on one team and lynx on the other to reach MoC 10. This is easily fixed by getting some items for March 7 or Fire MC though so I can run Jing Yuan, tingyun, fire mc/March and Natasha for my other team. 🙏
I’ve really been loving destruction units the most in this game so far. (I have Clara, just don’t use her atm, still love her though.) I’m planning on pulling for Sam as well! Hopefully he can replace my Jing Yuan… I really loved Jing at first because lightning lord is so cool! But he doesn’t actually feel that good to play (since lightning lord is so slow….).
I personally also really wonder if Jing Liu will make the disciple set meta on any other units than blade since she can proc it for them. Probably not since the first buff is hp%, but maybe!
With Blade, Lynx, and Fu Xuan, Jingliu won't have any difficulty reaching her maximum HP drain. The drawback is that running double sustain means using a spot that could have gone to Bronya or Pela. It's a tradeoff.
Destruction characters are also my favorite units. They all have their own unique gimmicks and playstyles that keep the combat interesting. I LOVE Sam's design. I just hope they don't turn him into a Fire Blade.
The problem is that the LD Relic Set works incredibly well on Blade because it has 100% uptime for Blade only. Any other characters will need to rely on getting hit, which is unreliable. Jingliu makes that problem slightly better, but she also doesn't fully activate it.
I fell for that Natasha fake AD LOL
Loved the I pulled a qiqi theme playing during the Bailu parts lmao
Nice catch bro.
Had to throw in that soundtrack 😆
"Shes a Krilin in a group of saiyans" wooooooow you destroyed Natasha there 😂😂😂😂
Don't get me wrong, Krillin got that dawg in him. It's just that when the Saiyans are around and you take a closer look, it's more of a chihuahua instead 😂😂
I cant afford an upgrade on healers, game gave me a c1 Gepard and Im with guarantee Jingliu now so yea.
Definitely save that guarantee for Jingliu. Jingliu Natasha can still function as a team.
Jingliu priority number 1. Everyone else can wait.
@@GoodestDuck I know, dont worry, with Gepard(and sometimes fire MC too) my Seele team can survive without a healer. As a Blade haver, I want to see my man going brrr with Jingliu even if its risky with just Natasha... Hu tao players and their need to hurt themselves lol
@@jonnevitu4979 Blade will be going brrrr but only because Jingliu is constantly hurting him 😅
@@GoodestDuck thats the objective hehe
I’m temporarily going to run Fu Xuan until Luocha gets re-ran unless the drip marketed healer appears better to me; I lost on his banner last time to a E1 Himeko
The Himeko >.<
Huohuo (1.5 healer) might fill a different niche than Luocha. We'll get more info on her in a few weeks. You have plenty of time to decide.
@@GoodestDuck I’m hoping it’s underwhelming (to me) as I don’t care for
Huohuo’s design so I don’t get FOMO as much lol
Knowing Hoyo... lol. So far, every new characters have been good at the very least. Honkai is due for their "Dehya" 🤔 But I don't think Huohuo will be underwhelming, just a feeling.
I agree I’m just hoping that I can completely skip the 1.5 banners, I’d rather have ammo for Silver Wolf and Luocha
damn our newest abundance might be the best for jingliu if the og kit leaks stay the same but luocha is all my account gonna see as an abundance unless a character I absolutely adore like luocha comes along the line
Luocha and Huohuo fit different needs despite both of them being Abundance characters. For players with both Luocha and Fu Xuan, it will take some crazy incentives to pull on Huohuo as well.
There is a new healer coming in 1.5 with the leaks
Huo Huo herself, who just got drip marketed today, is speculated to be in the 1.5 patch as a 5* wind abundance character
Good luck to those who are pulling for anyone in general!
She should be coming out in part 1 of 1.5
Great news for those who didn't get Fu Xuan or Luocha.
Yes but she will not put a fight to FuXuan or Luocha since her focus is different, she's an energy regen based character and not a super healer/sustain like those other 2
She's more like a premium Tingyun
@@-XeLo- She will fill a much different niche-an offensive-minded one. Being a 5-star Abundance character, she will surely be able to solo sustain.
Will she do it as effectively as characters like Luocha? Probably not, but if she helps my DPS shine brighter, then I'm all for it.
@@-XeLo-you don't know what you are saying, it's might be the ONLY character that increases energy recharge rate. So it might or might not make a new age of fast ult teams. With her and tinyung in the same party
@@swdwwdwd9956 Tf you mean? I just say she's not gonna put a fight as a *super healer/sustain role* i didn't say she is useless, try to read slower
I only have Natasha ivi but al try to get lynx and maybe bailiu from stander banner :D btw im not pulling on fu xuan banners bc I’m saving for jingliu:)
That's the iron-willed power . I caved in to Fu Xuan's temptation lol.
I have Fuxuan and Luocha (and Bailu), and I'm going to pull Jingliu. I guess I'm in a good spot.
Fu Xuan, Luocha, AND Bailu...
If you tell me you got Bronya too then I'll lose it🤣
Who is better for this team: Jingliu/Bronya/Pela. Fu Xuan or Luocha?
Short answer: Luocha is more comfortable to use because his healing is stronger and he is more SP efficient.
Fu Xuan has more buffs that can benefit Jingliu but the cost is weaker healing and less SP efficient.
Those two are close enough in performance that I would recommend going with what attributes you favor.
Alternative answer: Huohuo. Hands down the best offensive sustain character in the game.
I'm so salty over losing my 50/50 to Gepard E1 - could've had better coverage of my team with Fu Xuan. Surely Bailu would still suffice and my account is not eternally bricked... r-right?
If you're ok with no cleanse, Bailu is still amazing for HP based teams. If you have Bronya, the cleanse is not an issue.
If you REALLY force it, Gepard might still work with Jingliu in short fights...
In long fights, I don't see it happening. I could be wrong though.
Bailu will work. Her healing is top notch. It might be tricky if you're up against certain bosses with hard CC. At that point, you might have to switch to your free Natasha or Lynx if you have her.
Of course, if you are lucky then a Bronya will solve all your problems... Bronya is such a broken character lmao
Don't give up--like a wise man said a will forged in ice, NEVER FALTER!
I do believe Fu Xuan is probably the best character in the game but to me I'd prefer Luocha's healing just so I can synergize Blade with Jingliu and synergize Luocha's healing with Jingliu's hp-taking from allies skill
With Blade in the team, it'll get tricky with the HP scenario. Really will be dancing on knife's edge if not managed correctly. It might be the most fun team to run tbh. In a Blade + Jingliu setting, Luocha will excel more than Fu Xuan since healing isn't exactly Fu Xuan's forte.
While Fu Xuan can heal, she's not Luocha level healing.
@@GoodestDuck I completely agree!
bro when natasha ad came up i was looking for the skip button.
I saw the opportunity to be a bit whimsical and I took it. Sorry about the fake ad lol
Apparently leakers said there’s gonna be another 5 star Abundance character named HuoHuo and the drip marketing will come soon. GL guys
Just saw the drip marketing. Can't say I'm surprised but it's still baffling how they're doing another Abundance character so soon.
fu better she give more dmg, cc immunity and if u run jingliu with pela ( which u should) u will freez enemies so u will take less dmg
The cost being Fu Xuan will need to use SP more often compare to Luocha. It's preferences.
Some players may view that as absolute "WORTH IT" and deem Fu Xuan the superior sustain character but some other players may like the SP Battery aspect of Luocha.
I would use the iPod, because imagine pulling on the Fu Xuan banner, only aiming for Lynx. Suddenly Fu Xuan boo scares you, now you have a character you weren't aiming for, you are no longer guaranteed to win the 50/50 on the next banner and don't have enough stellar jade to 100% guarantee even a single Jingliu. Sorry but the gamble isn't worth it, so iPod for me.
Does that make Jingliu a gaming pc in all this 😆
Hey, new pc vs new phone... I'm picking that new pc any day of the week.
@@GoodestDuck My man try to understand. I don't have a single 5* hunt or destruction unit on my account. On the other hand I have Gepard, MC, March & Nat and I'm doing okay.
@@zieek1 You've been playing this game without a single 5* damage character???
Respect. That's actually playing the game in hell difficulty, respect👍
Mihoyo has done the whole "consume HP to boost damage" thing before. In Genshin you see it in Hu Tao, the recently released Neuvilette, and the upcoming Furina. In Star Rail, Blade and Arlan also do it.
However, Blade and Arlan only consume their own HP and they have healing mechanics in their kit which offloads some of the healing pressure. Jingliu however has way higher pressure. She does AOE damage to your team and has zero healing mechanics. This means you don't just need to sustain, you need to AOE sustain.
And frankly the fact that all you get in return for receiving friendly-fire AOE DMG is... just raw damage numbers is a little disappointing. As I always like to say, raw damage is just a number waiting to be power-crept by future DPS. If her enhanced skill also came with some other powerful effect like defense-reduction on the enemies hit or DMG boost to all allies who had their HP absorbed, it would at least make her bit more future proof thanks to those extra buffing potential. But she has nothing of that sort. Not even in traces/eidolons.
The subject of how future-proof Jingliu is can be tricky. So far, Blade is the most future-proof character due to his SP efficiency. Even if a stronger Wind Damage dealer emerges, Blade can still serve as the second DPS at worst.
We can also examine the subject of SP Efficiency with Jingliu. She isn't as SP-efficient as Blade, but compared to other Damage dealers, she doesn't require as much SP. The trade-off for Jingliu is that she uses HP as a resource instead of SP. It's much easier to justify if we assign a specific value to how much HP she actually drains. Let's use 4% for the sake of this discussion.
Assuming Jingliu's teammate Tingyun has 3k HP, Jingliu's 4% drain will only be 120 HP out of 3000 HP. That's a very small sacrifice compared to using 1 SP as a resource. While Jingliu's drain doesn't directly benefit any of her teammates, saving SP indirectly allows players to have more room for maneuvering.
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How arlan heal himself?
I have Bronya who can cleanse with her skill, and I have Lynx, Bailu and Natasha to chose from for heals. Which healer would you say I should chose? Can Bronya solo cleanse enough to let Bailu heal in peace or do I need to swap her out for Lynx for better cleansing?
Bronya's cleanse is on her skill, so if you ever use Bronya's skill to cleanse, the tradeoff is that you lose a turn of using the skill on your damage dealer instead.
My personal bias is that Lynx completely outclasses Natasha so there's no reason to choose Natasha ever with Lynx available.
Bailu vs Lynx comes down to your team and preferences.
For instance
- With Blade on the team, I prefer Lynx because of the synergy with Blade.
- With Tingyun/Pela + Bronya, I prefer Bailu because Bronya can cleanse for me worst case scenario and Bailu can heal more and there is an emergency resurrection incase I mess up.
- If enemies have too much CC for Bronya to handle(AoE CC) , then I might switch back to Lynx
It's very situational, and you'll have to make the decision based on what fight you're taking them into.
bro is there any way we only do one cycle of SU on monday without doing it 2 times every single week.. its time taking and boring !! any tips or ideas ?
2 times per week is going to be the constant until hoyo changes it but there are ways to speed up SU clear time.
1)Certain characters such as Ruan Mei can basically instant clear basic mobs with her technique upon entering battle. Can use food to replenish SP points.
*acheron is "rumored" to be able to instant kill Basic mobs with her technique without even entering battle! She might be able to speed run through SU 😆
2) always pick offensive paths, I usually just go with Hunt.
@@GoodestDuckbut is acheron coming on 1st or 2nd phase ?? And personally love the nihility myself ....for sure hunt is strong AF.... I am saving for acheron. Saw the leaks and stuff and am mesmerized .. mono chromatic multi hits made me feel she is stronger than jingliu 😅😅😅 and wonder who she pairs good with !! BS and Kafka damn .... Can't wait for her ..but building units is a mess in HSR... so less resources. 😣😞 Please do detailed guide once she comes out please 🙏🙏🙏 🥺 PLEASE
Acheron is phase 1 if nothing unexpected happens in 2.1.
I've been working on a Lunae Pull or not vid but it's so late xDD@@Onii-Chan-UwU
@@GoodestDuck okay..
So ive only had natasha lol i dont have anyone i have a lot saved up since i got super lucky with kafka. So would it be good to pull for fu xuan ?
You have a few routes to choose from. You will need two 'Sustain' characters if you ever want to beat End Game Content 'comfortably,' especially MOC, which has bi-weekly rewards that refresh.
You can:
A) Get Fu Xuan now and risk not being able to obtain the 1.4 characters.
B) Ignore Fu Xuan and go for Huohuo in 1.5, which is a little over a month away.
@GoodestDuck what would you recommend? I plan on pulling Jing liu. Also new around here but been loving your stuff man !
Thanks, always appreciate the support.
I can't provide the most accurate advice without knowing certain details, such as
- your trailblazer level
- your other characters
- how far you've progressed in end-game content like Swarm Disaster and MOC
However, I can offer some suggestions based on what I know.
Currently, you have three opportunities to obtain a 5-star Sustain character. Fu Xuan is available now, Huohuo will be in 1.5, and there will be a Luocha rerun sometime after Huohuo. Beyond that, it's a bit unclear.
Both Jingliu and Topaz are excellent damage dealers. Jingliu leans slightly more toward maximizing her own damage output, while Topaz focuses a bit more on amplifying follow-up attacks, like Clara or Jing Yuan.
My recommendation is to go for Jingliu if you're torn between the two. Tingyun is widely considered the second-best Harmony character in the game right now and you can use QQ as your Quantum damage dealer. The JIngliu banner provides more "Bang for your Buck"
After obtaining Jingliu, you can save the rest of your resources for Huohuo in 1.5 or the Luocha rerun a few months later.
I've provided a lengthy response, so please feel free to let me know if there's any part of it that wasn't clear. 👍
@GoodestDuck Thanks yea I understand I'm level 66 for swarm i a little less then halfway and moc I haven't tried lol my ting is pretty well built and QQ haven't touched at all thanks alot I really appreciate your advice I will most likely be pulling for fu xuan to help my account more
@@KnightOblivion25 Fu Xuan will definitely bring a significant improvement to your account since Natasha is your only sustain character at the moment. She will greatly enhance your quality of gameplay. 👍 Good luck on the pulls.
Granted when talking about Luocha in MOC/normal content there is no one better, that is a fact. However if you are adding Swarm Disaster to the equation especially Swarm 5 than Luocha although still good is not the end all be all. He can't save your team if you are getting one shot in Swarm. Ever took a Deer buff aoe to the face....yeah, Luocha & everyone is dead. So in Swarm 5 there are times where Bailu can be a better option. Heck there's even a solo Swarm 5 Natasha video out there.
So point being any healer will work with Jing Liu, just use whoever you have if you decide to pull for her.
Correct, it will always depend on the use case scenario. Certain healers will excel in some situations while not being as strong in others. It is up to the players to cook.
Bailu does more than heal though, she can decrease the amount of damage you take with invigoration
Yep, I completely forgot about that Trace 👍
It does all the work in the background and isn't flashy so I just forget about it all the time.
It does help out a lot, makes Bailu's ult more than just a 1 turn heal which further makes me believe that Bailu is one of the best at healing.
I really doubt Fu Xuan alone is gonna be able to solo sustain a Jingliu team unless you just never let the enemies attack at all. 4% EVERY ACTION means Jingliu is going to eat 16% of your team's HP every cycle....and Fu Xuan only heals like, 500 HP if you build her with as much HP as possible. The chip damage on top of the drain will eventually be too much for her to handle. You would need to run her and probably Lynx since she can also provide some utility with taunt and atk buffs (at E4), or well any other healer. Which is a shame cuz Fu Xuan increasing your team's max HP is really great to let Jingliu get more ATK
4% every action in her "Enhance form." This means Jingliu only gets to drain her teammates 2 times before reverting back to her normal form. 3 times if she uses her Ult while in Enhance Form.
If my Tingyun has 3000 HP, 4% of that is ONLY 120.
After Jingliu attacks twice in her Enhance form, that's only 240 HP lost from my weak and frail Tingyun.
Fu Xuan can sustain Jingliu just not as comfortable as Luocha will be able to. What Fu Xuan brings in exchange is much more utilities as you've mentioned.
@@GoodestDuck her ult also counts if she uses it while already enhanced ( which you should cuz come on, 50% free crit rate+ 20% damage boost and also a bonus enhanced skill which is like 75% of her damage output why would you pass that up) so that's 4 drains on every Jingliu damage cycle.
Pair that damage with the damage from enemies and in harder content Fu Xuan might not be able to keep up
4% HP drain is so tiny bruh and someone already used Jingliu and Fu Xuan in MoC10 in the beta. Fu Xuan without Signature LC sustained Jingliu hypercarry team with Bronya and Pela. Nobody died btw.
Im gonna try to get jingliu e0s1, and pair her with bronya and bailu and im still contemplating if i use pela or use my sushang as a sub dps
Pela will benefit your Jingliu more overall in all scenarios.
I can see certain situations where having Sushang as a secondary DPS for physical weak bosses will do wonders.
Jingliu is SP efficient enough to play well with others. Just keep cooking.
Good luck on the pulls.
@@GoodestDuck good luck on ur pulls as well 👍
I'm have been building my Jingliu team recently,do you know the best nihility character that will be a good match with her?
pelaaaaa
@@littlebrethren9486 i only have welt ;-;
The two should be Pela and Silverwolf.
Pela is a 4 star so she is naturally much more accessible to most players.
Her defense shred and ice res shred(E4) makes her one of Jingliu's most desirable support character.
Silverwolf is a limited 5 star character. If you missed her on her first run then you have to wait for her rerun banner.
Silverwolf is a cheat code. She makes the game much easier.
She can unlock pseudo mono ice team with her element change.
By running Silverwolf, Lynx, Jingliu, Pela -> This team allows you to force Ice on any enemies with Quantum weakness.
Oh :c i see, but doesn't lynx 'skill increase the chances of a destruction or preservation character getting attack ?
@@ItsMarypool Lynx's skill does increase the Aggro chance of the character being healed.
The good news is, getting hit also regenerates energy.
The bad news is, it can get scary if the enemies all decide to focus fire your low health Jingliu after she just received a heal from Lynx.
Lynx was more tailored made for Blade/Clara and other Preservation Characters.
If i see Jingliu in the title, I click. Help 😅😅
She demands all your jades!
Imo luocha fits better than fx esp if u run blade with JL
Adding Blade into the equation does tip the scale over to Luocha's side. Fu Xuan's one minor flaw is that her healing numbers are nearly as high as Luocha's.
With Blade + Jingliu, it will be much more tricky when it comes to HP management. Less room for error. One misplay and Blade might be down lol
I’m was soooo hoping fu xuan and Jingliu would be good together! I somehow got e1s1 bronya (could s2 but I’d rather have tingyun use it)
There is always Huohuo coming in 1.5.
If you have a guarantee now, it'll be risky using it on Fu Xuan.
How much steller jades can we get in 1.4 1 half any idea??
I am with 100 pulls for E0S1 jingliu
I know impossible but that greediness for her lc ahhhh.
I don't know if you have any guarantee but I assume you don't so this is going to be a bit tricky lol
I like the attitude though. All you need is one ticket to get a JIngliu. Just believe!!!
Even if you have 0 Jades right now, there are still 13/14 days left(1.3) and a whole 21 days for 1.4 Part 1.
There will be
- Monthly reset.
- Odyssey Login
- Weekly SU Resets
- Daily Missions
- Bi Weekly MOC Resets
- The remaining days for the Space Station Task Force Event from 1.3
- Whatever events in 1.4 part 1
- 300 jades from livestream
- However many jades from Maintenance
I am for sure missing some jade sources here and there but that should be enough for you to scrape around 60+ pulls at least?
The count may vary depending on how far your MOC/SU/TL Level/etc but all hope is not lost.
I would say Good Luck to your pulls but you don't need it because I know you'll get that Jingliu in your first 10 pull 👍
@@GoodestDuck Look s like I have hope. she not guaranteed.
I have swarm 80% left .Soo spending the rest of my days with those bugs .I only cleared lv 4.I need to stay strong
Oh and LC banner has 30 pity I will first get jingliu and then her LC .
@@taya7704 That's a solid game plan. Swarm 5 can get frustrating. Some even find it harder than MOC 10. Slowly chip away at it.
The journey of an E0S1 Jingliu starts with a single bug getting squashed.
Also you probably already know this, but do remember to grab the redemption code from the 1.4 Official Livestream this Friday.
The exact time is 7:30 AM EST.
I hear Jingliu is the best in teams with Luocha and Blade, however I dont have either of those, I just have Fu xuan and Lynx E5. I don't know if I make it if I try to save for Jingliu as I don't have any jades, so I think I am forced to wait for Topaz
This is my quick estimation so I might be off from the actual count:
Even if you have 0 Jades right now, there are still 15 days left(1.3) and a whole 21 days for 1.4 Part 1.
There will be
- Monthly reset.
- Odyssey Login
- Weekly SU Resets
- Daily Missions
- Bi Weekly MOC Resets
- The remaining days for the Space Station Task Force Event from 1.3
- Whatever events in 1.4 part 1
- 300 jades from livestream
- However many jades from Maintenance
I am for sure missing some jade sources here and there but that should be enough for you to scrape around 60+ pulls at least?
The count may vary depending on how far your MOC/SU/TL Level/etc but all hope is not lost.
Good luck on whoever you do decide to pull on 🍀
@@GoodestDuck thank you man, especially for the work you've put in to come up with this list 🙌
@@kyamyutsu235 Happy it helped. Hope it wasn't too disorganized 👍
I have Natasha and bailu, I also have fu xuan. I use blade for my main damage what should I use for my healer?
If you plan to run the double damage dealer team of Jingliu + Blade then Fu Xuan might not work as well.
Fu Xuan can heal a decent amount but the raw healing number isn't as strong as standard healers like Natasha/Bailu.
It will depend on your preferences if you're running Jingliu + Blade:
Fu Xuan can still work but there are less room for error when it comes to HP management. You do get team wide benefits from Fu Xuan though.
Bailu is a better healer than both Fu Xuan and Natasha but she lacks cleanse.
Natasha has decent heal and a cleanse so she's more of a middle ground.
Gepard solve the problem but didnt mention it him ofcourse.
Gepard in any other team is MVP.
The issue with Gepard + Jingliu issue is that Gepard does not heal. Jingliu will slowly drain away all her teammates' hp.
Her drain goes through shields just like how Blade's drain goes through Gepard's shield.
@@GoodestDuck add abundance luocha or other healers and problem is solved.
And blade is for fu xian not for gepard. He has own healer which will be future 1.5 Huohuo because fuxian has a damage mitigation which allow using other healers as extra harmony. And no have focused so much of the healing.
@@Igraphi7335 OH, I see. You meant adding a healer with Gepard + Jingliu to fix the issue. That might be happen for Swarm 5 tbh.
I only mentioned Blade in my previous comment to use as an example to show that "Shields cannot prevent HP Drain."
I do agree with you, Gepard is not for Blade.
Anyone else try to skip the fake Natasha ad lmao
The chance was there for me to be a bit whimsical during the editing lol
Sorry about that 😅
Im using Bailu until huo huo comes out
Same, Bailu and Lynx will have to do for now.
fu xuan superior for sure
She certainly makes a good case since she does so much.
Why use an ipod? Tsss for destroy it
Been seeing a bunch of videos of Iphone 15 getting bent 😅
Im honesty baffled that the devs gave fu xuan healing, it completely undermines every healer in the gave, including loucha. Its the epitome of bad design.
It'll continue to follow this pattern. Characters will have certain traits that doesn't belong to their path. It makes it more fun for us players to team build but if they mess up, we can easily have a character that can tank, do damage, buff and heal teammates. It could get out of hand fast.
My fu xuan heals my team to full lol.
It's too late for me now. She can insta-kill the enemies with her ult and I still won't be spending any tickets on her now. Everything is reserved for Jingliu in 10 days from now 😓
Probably a smart move my account has no DPS so don't end up like me with tons of survivability but no damage to clear content.@@GoodestDuck
@@Justin-ud9rr But on the other hand, a dead DPS is no DPS. We need those sustain characters eventually. 😩
So many characters too little jades :(
Idk why I'm watching this video like i don't literally only have natasha XD (i cant get lynx or Fu Xuan or ill loose my gurantee for Jingliu and not have enough pulls so gg)
Jingliu is priority, everyone else can wait. If you have to use Natasha then so be it. She's not a bad healer. She is simply not as strong as characters like Luocha/Fu Xuan.
Hope you get Jingliu early since you already have her guarantee.
@@GoodestDuck I actually have 72 pity and guarantee, so the 70 pulls I have will go towards her light cone
@@CozyRosiee So just win the 75-25 on the weapons banner. Easy-peasy!
@GoodestDuck well actually I lost fu xuan weapon banner on 6 pity on accident and guarantee moves between banners apparently so I have a guarantee for that too EZ, also I've lost the weapon banner 75% chance literally all 3 times
@@CozyRosiee 1.4 is going to be 0 stress for you lol
You're chilling with both guarantees 😃
I'm tired of this Natasha hate!
lol sorry. In a 4 person race, someone has to come in 4th.
Natasha isn't bad in a vacuum, don't get me wrong.
She just isn't as strong as the premier characters such as Luocha/Fu Xuan.
natasha is the worst healer
It's not really hate, she just doesn't sustain enough
@@minetee1125 Natasha is not bad at all, seriously she's not.
She has help keep my team warm from 1.0 to 1.3.
Now she's warming the bench because I have Lynx now 😏
Tbh with more abundance characters release,Natasha is slightly dozing off
So don’t cope for Natasha y’all,like her technique is literally worse plus she’s sp negative
huohuo best healer
I'm also high on the Huohuo stocks but she's got tough competitions.
1.5 is Huo Huo lmao
The drip marketing timing 😆
fu xuan is not good with jingliu the team will die at some point.
While Fu Xuan's raw healing numbers may be lower than other healers, it is still not something to scoff at. Her two damage mitigations will do wonders to keep the team alive in the short term.
With that said, a Jingliu team definitely won't be as comfortable, HP wise, as a Luocha led team.
Fu Xuan just provides other benefits so it's really is up to players' preferences.
hahaha 1.5 have Huohuo
I don't have Luocha. I don't have Fu Xuan. I'm getting Huohuo no matter the cost.