I think you guys overestimate what Goku would know about Superman. How would he EVER even know that he's weak to red suns or kryptonite if he's never met him? On top of that Goku wouldn't do that even if he knew, he fights people only at their best. Meanwhile, Superman has at one point predicted and perceived every bullet a man fired from a gun in his whole life and what he would do from there on the second he laid eyes on him. The moment Superman sees Goku he would know exactly how to fight him and even if he didn't he can move in negative seconds (was running through time by himself to follow Flash) so no matter how fast Goku is or all the teleporting (doesn't work without focus which Superman isn't going to allow if he sees him do it once, oh he can teleport by putting his fingers to his head? Let me not give him a brief moment of rest) he will still be slower.
If you’re wondering how Reverse Flash knew about the time ring, just remember that he comes from a universe where there’s an entire legion of people that have power based on rings. So it’s a fair guess lols.
If you put the video in slow motion every time Black uses anything related to time travel or using it's power (blades) the ring glows. Not only that, but Thawne has retrocognition when he enters a new universe and he can see into peoples past with the negative speed force (since it's tied to time also)
The problem is this. DC is a universe that is perfect self-contained. Almost everyone there is overpowered to a point. It makes sense. The problem comes when people constantly try to mash them in with other IPs, and then get mad when they win. Against ANYONE else Black woulda won. But Eobard is a top tier super villain. Even in DC!
@@blitz4779 About the Green Lanterns... All the willpower of the universe condensed into a single being got stomped by Superboy Prime (Superman but he was never nerfed and also has a god complex) and Superboy Prime got completely overwhelmed by speedsters and sealed away in the Speedforce.
Personally I wouldn't say anything is perfect self contained. But Dc is definitely better when you don't compare it to other series. Especially since it's dozens of authors all giving their story and how they think characters should be. Theirs going to be insanely strong and weak versions of the same character. Cause different writers want them to be different things. When two speedsters racing is destroying the entire multiverse you can't compare that to another character from a self contained world.
Yeahhhhh Nate unfortunately dug himself into a hole with that line. Beerus is literally named "the God of destruction" and Goku Black was a God too until he switched bodies...
@@SAMEERKHAN-hk4qe to be fair when almost every DC character has a power source that can make them destroy reality at a whim it kind of makes it seem a bit pointless tbh, not excluding Dragon ball btw when your hero is strong enough to destroy universes casually what’s even the point of getting worried about them or who they’re trying to save? Plus it just makes it more infuriating depending on who they’re fighting either someone way stronger than them which makes the fight even more bonkers and unbelievable or someone way below their league making it pointless and frustrating when you see the hero struggle against them.
@@kevindolan9 then that's just comics,that's what they are. Yes I understand what ur saying but I disagree cuz u see those op moments r on rare occasions when writers wanna do smth crazy,in Death Battle they take every possible achievement of the character due to which comic characters gain advantage.DC has a very high power scaling so it feels unfair. That's y u don't see comic accurate powers in live action movies of Marvel n DC. But the comics will keep on doing what they've been doing n it's just fun on it's own. If u feel it's pointless to read it then u can watch cartoons or live action which have higher stakes n consequences. DB started as a fun adventure series n now they're fighting gods without any consequences. That's y Marvel n DC r head to head against each other,as a result they keep pushing their characters to do even crazier things so they can compete. At the end of the day it's the movies n series that truly matter.
Yeah, obviously Goku Black had more raw strength, but when it comes to their time manipulation powers, Reverse Flash has the major advantage, and THAT'S what mattered in this fight. Not to mention his ability to phase through people and target the internal organs means he doesn't have to be even close to Black's power to kill him.
@@powangel1418 In the manga during the cell saga (I'm not referring that Death Battle said that, there is dialogue in the manga that has goku saying that power is useless if you can't hit your opponent( ch 387 (DBZ 193) vol 33 (DBZ 17)).
What part of incalculable speed did you not understand in the pre analysis? Also, did you not pay attention to how Thawne has so many haxes that completely ignore Black’s defenses and the fact that Thawne doesn’t need a ring- he’s just a paradox himself?
4:02 ....Nate. Death Battle already countered this argument for Goku's Instant Transmission. Goku doesn't know what a red Sun is. He doesn't even know Superman's weaknesses. Having a character win because of one weakness that they don't know about beforehand,but SOMEHOW would know about in the battle is a cop out. Second of all,words straight out of Wiz's mouth; "Even if Goku did Instant Transmission,he would run the risk and teleporting him to a BLUE sun,which actually increases Superman's potential" And finally....really? You're gonna get mad about the numbers? That's literally what their channel is all about. Hence Wiz's catchphrase "*Analyze* Their Weapons,Armor,and Skills". If you don't like what Death Battle does in their own show and just complain about it,then how about stop watching it. This is very annoying. Period.
@@numberwalk2339 I never said they couldn't be mad when their preferred character loses. I DID however say that they can't hate on Death Battle for doing what they do,like analyzing their strength and speed and such. It's just what they do. Also I don't know what you're getting onto me for,when I'm saying exactly what most of these people in the comment section are saying.
Goku Black may have raw strength on his side, but Zoom has speed, intelligence, and most importantly, technique on his side. He has all the powersets of positive Speed Force users plus others. Even most DB fans agreed this was pretty one-sided.
Goku Black isn't stronger. I don't want to start an argument here but Thawne is easily multiversal in attack power and the DC Multiverse is huge. The DC Multiverse has been stated to be infinite on so many occasions. If you're skeptical. Wally and Barry was gonna destroy the DC Multiverse just by racing and Reverse Flash scales to them. Arguably even above them. Goku Black was outmatched in every single way. Including Power. No idea why people give Power to Goku Black.
@@captainvalkyrie999 The infinite mass punch being star level was stated to be star level literally 1 time while every other time on several accession's it was stated to have infinite mass instead of a dwarf star. even if you wanna say its star level because of the statement the statement is simple contradicted by more consistent feats.
@@Machiavelli2pc compare Zeno to one above all is highball to be honest Zeno at best is multiversal being not to mention is a horrible fighter he literally needed a device to track down fighters in top for how fast they are
@@Machiavelli2pc zeno is nowhere near one above all. And sorry but the fact that Eobard survived Dr Manhattan who can easily kill zeno since he's dc multuversal means he can probably solo db
Well look at it this way: DB is made by one author (two if you count DBS author) and the progression is quite linear. DC on the other hand as multiple authors each having different directions on how powerful they want a specific character to be. Not to mention DC has been going on for much longer than DBS so its natural that DC will have more feats than DB as a whole.
Personally that's why I hate it when people compare comics and anime/ manga. One is made by a single person the other has dozens of different writers and story's.
@@themehthebadandtheterribul180 DC and Marvel is like Shonen Jump. Dragon Ball is just one story in shonen jump just like how Superman is just one story in DC.
@@bigenson18 no not really. A shonen jump series is one story. Typically made by one or two people. Where as comics are several different stories and versions of the character. Made by several different people. Their isn't one story with comics theirs usually dozens.
@@manuelquijada2148 maybe. But then why did he say the part about dragon ball being one story. And that super man is just one story. And my original comment is about how comics have multiple different writers and stories. So comparing companies doesn't make any since.
Honestly, the fact Goku Black had a clear weakness is why I think Reverse Flash got the win. Goku Black may be temporally immune, but that is only thanks to the time ring. Remove that and the moment Reverse Flash lands a fatal blow, he's as good as dead. Meanwhile, the only way Reverse Flash could even die is be removing his anomalous nature, which was ONLY done by literally vibrating away his powers, which somebody would not immediately think of as a counter if they were not aware of the Speed Force. I'm shocked that this fact didn't really register at all. Even if Goku Black was stronger than Reverse Flash, he had no clear way to permanently kill Reverse Flash. Meanwhile, Reverse Flash could probably figure out soon that the ring may be important somehow, and change tactics to destroying it so as to give himself an advantage.
It's actually not just vibrating away his living paradox status; Barry has to fully forgive Thawne, it's why he had to be a dick to Barry, it's literally the only way for him to interact with him. When Barry no longer felt hate towards him, it grounded him; And then Barry just reset his timeline. I don't think Zamasu is going to talk no jutsu Barry into forgiving Thawne.
Just because you don't like overpowered DC characters, doesn't mean they shouldnt win. If you think otherwise, you're purely reacting based off of ignorant fan boyism.
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 I'm not saying this as a DC fan. Most people who say this only do because they know how ridiculously stupid and overpowered DC characters are. DragonBall fans do it because they've convinced themselves that the characters are unbeatable and anyone who disagrees is biased against dragonball, and i say this as a dragonball fan. Get your false comparison outta here.
Tbf that battle had so many flaws in data and downplaying boo to die to a star, but buu was able to destroy stars and galaxies in years which means he has to be over light speed to do that
To be fair Kirby never really killed gods. Kirby is pretty strong yes, but never actually killed legitimate gods before. For example Marx may act like a god, but really he isn't.
Superman doesn't have to train nearly as much as Goku simply because he gets more powerful from absorbing sunlight alone. This is not to say that he doesn't train at all, however.
Me and some friends questioned what if the two trained together. I think Superman would be a better fighter especially if Goku helped him pushed through his limits, that He himself he hads. No where near Goku level but it helps For Goku?.. well he would just get a strong sparing partner is all. If he could he be able to learn Torquasm-Rao and Vao.
@DooNkeyTheGreat Sullivan Superman doesn’t really train in the sense that he would get stronger or break limits he goes “ill just be god now” and eliminates all his weaknesses.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459 Yeah for superman you either need to make a down to earth story about his struggles as a god amongst men, give him a new insane feat of power or ability, or do his origin again but with a small twist.
They really didn't need to mention Thawne's strength, they brought up all the points Thawne needed in the begining. Thawne is so fast that he could hit Goku Black a million times before Black could move and Thawne had the hax of being able to age you to death by just touching you once or phasing through your organs to displace molecules and kill you that way.
The fatal flaw with instant transmission is that it requires complete concentration. Good luck concentrating on where you want to instant transport _and_ fight Superman at the same time.
A good chunk of DBZ fans knew Black wasn't going to win going into this. Even if they thought Black was stronger, Thawne has way too many hax on his side.
I remember someone saying they couldn't wait for the salt and others going "there's no way there's going to be salt! His opponent is from the flash family!" And between the frame 1 debunk video and this reaction... hoo boy
@@nowelltheowl5619 the thing that sold me on reverse flash winning is the fact that fucking Dr. Manhattan couldn't keep him down. Who's basically Zeno on steroids
@@blitz4779 I went into this with no knowledge on Reverse Flash or Dr. Manhattan. They said he was a paradox, while I knew that Goku Black was a paradox because of the ring. Reverse Flash is obviously faster, and could take the ring off. That was my logic.
Once again seeing that theres no one here that understands Superman's character. Or people that understand that a character can struggle more than just against an opponent that they can punch. EDIT: Also gotta say, if Superman really is boring because of how massively “OP” he is… why would you want Goku to be stronger? Wouldn’t that mean Goku is even more OP and take away something you love about him? That he struggles? And if you don’t care about how strong he is, then stop bringing up a dead fight.
Yeah, Superman's stories aren't about him being the strongest. The conflict in his stories focus around his morality and if he can be good enough to solve the problem.
I think the problem is that it’s barely shown anymore. Especially how most dc, and Marvel, comics are now. Like dude, did you see the shit they did with Captain Marvel… or is it Ms. Marvel? I forget.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459 I would give the benefit of the doubt, but they’ve been this way for years. Plus from how they talk they always had these thoughts about Superman.
Plus, they stated it at the end of the Superman vs Goku Part 2 battle. Goku is a character designed to have limits. Sure, he tends to find a way to push and even surpass those limits, but he still has limits none-the-less where as Superman was a character designed to not have any limits at all. No matter how strong Goku gets, his character is designed to have limits in the end where as Superman does not so Superman will still always outclass Goku in the end.
Hey Nate, when you said Goku could just instant transmission Superman to a red sun, he can’t, instant transmission can only travel to people he’s familiar with and Goku can breathe in space and would rather beat Superman at his best, but it’s your opinion but if it was Vegeta yeah he’d win but Superman could just fly to a blue sun 😂
Not only to mention he wouldn't know a red sun boosts his powers. That's like saying "Goku will instant transmission superman next to kryptonite and kill him" They typically don't use outer source weaknesses in DB because like... Yeah Hercule could be superman if he had a kryptonite jacket on so ofcourse Goku could . People just butthurt that Goku gets rocked
These death battle reactions are just progressively getting worse. Seems like Nate does nothing but cry now whenever the character hes rooting for doesn't win. Quite pathetic really
Nate saying that "Super Saiyan God and SSGSS are the reason that people are clamoring for a Round 3 of Goku vs Superman". Me: Did....did people forget that Round 2 already had Goku using those, and he still lost? Round 1 had him going to SS4 and then losing. Round 3 would just be redundant.
I was going to say the same thing. I suppose you could make the argument for Ultra Instinct but I don't think the creators of the show are gonna change their minds i'd rather just see new ideas
The fact they took a conglomerate cannon superman and not Goku still pisses me off super Goku ain't the strongest Goku. And yes they did not use the strongest Superman they still could do more with Goku
@@holderofgold6764 Its not really a composite Superman. All the feats they used were post crisis and new 52, which ended up eventually merging. Goku was actually composited in the first match since they included the films and GT. Did they misinterpret the feats? Absolutely. But the composite complaint is said so often about Superman but doesn't hold up.
It's a bit disappointing to see how ignorant you guys still are when forming opinions about what character can beat the other, you base your opinions on fanboy bias instead of actual feats and facts
DB keep some stuff out of the analysis so it's not obvious who will win. Like them both being able to destroy universes makes them seem equal. Then after the battle when they say the DC universe is a billion times bigger then ours. It isn't as close. And they realized that once it was pointed out the size difference.
@@themehthebadandtheterribul180 Tbf, they mentioned the size of the DC universe multiple times before in other episodes, thinking that it would've been repetitive too keep bringing it up. But I agree with the fact that them withholding information is just super annoying (especially when the bring up a feat, don't mention a calc for it, and then calc at the very end of the episode). Which again very annoying.
@@merlinthestrange8543 yeah they have talked about it before. But like you said either way they bring it up again at the end. And some people it could be their first video they see so they can't assume people should know it. Either way it definitely gets annoying when they mintion a feat then don't explain it. Then after the fight explain the feat. But it's just how they want to do it. No one's going to watch the fight if it's obvious who wins.
Accurate. If anything, DB tends to be biased IN FAVOR of DB. DB has more Ws than Ls and some of those Ws, like Captain Marvel vs Android 18 and Vegeta vs Shadow, weren't accurate. However, you only remember their Ls.
@@SB0083 not really they've done dragon ball dirty before. Like the Goku vs super man. For their speed calcs instead of *50 for ssj. They cut his speed in half. So for them to be biased towards wanting it to win doesn't make since.
Before the reaction even begins, all I hear are Goku fanboys whining without understanding Goku’s character… or his techniques!! Gets your heads out your asses and learn how the Instant Transmission works!!!
" i prefer heroes who have to work and not faced gods to be challenged " not every character is a shonen hero who marks challenge and struggle as fights or physical feats.
is goku really working hard though? it's like he buys a 1$ melon and then reselling it at 20$, analogy being he trains normally and gets transformations to multiply that
@@parry3439 The training, which is usually not normal (ex: he hired an assassin to target himself), leads to the transformations. When he was given Super Saiyan God through a ritual, he was dissatisfied b/c he didn't achieve it on his own.
@@keithleracc I don't think it's fair to expect people to have memorized 150 episodes' worth of analysis. It really should have been included before the fight, especially since they brought up Universe 7's size.
@@scyfrix True but if you watch enough of death battle, especially involving DC characters, it’s kind a hard to forget how often they mention how big the DC universe is. This is just the first time that they mention how big the DC universe is in comparison to the dragon Ball universe.
@@Carpetzzz what is wrong is to insult a character that so many people have worked on developing, by calling them boring, you don't have to like them, but to say that all of that work was for nothing, is far too insulting twords excellent writers
Now that they finally brought in the canon that the DC Universe is a billion times larger than our universe... I bet you don't want that "Superman vs Goku 3" anymore.
Even before Super came along, the best power level Z Goku had is Solar System and GT Goku potentially Galaxy, but Superman has done universal-multiversal feats by that time.
@@captainvalkyrie999 didn't GT Goku shake Hell just by powering up in base? If so, that would put him at universal without even transforming. End of GT Goku (post-100 year time skip) is the only version of Goku I can really see taking on Supes at his best, though.
Yeah, Goku wouldn’t stand a chance against Superman. Superman’s strongest form is immune to literally everything, is as fast as Wally West, is multi-verse all in power output & has the ability to remove people’s powers and change their molecular structure. He would literally just need to want to change Goku into a normal, powerless human and not a Saiyan anymore. Superman is sadly one of the top 3 strongest characters to have ever existed if not the strongest. I don’t like Superman, but there is no doubt he would obliterate Goku.
Are you sure you’re not talking about pre-crisis? That sounds a bit exaggerated to someone like me on the outside who hasn’t been keeping up with Supes lately.
You Think the strongest version of superman is Only Multiversal? Current Goku is Low Complex Multiversal in Base Form my Boy The strongest superman is definitely above Multiversal 💀
@@powangel1418 Well cosmic armor superman is not really a superman but yes. like he is most A superman, but he is a robot form monitors so most powerful version of our superman is superman prime
lol! gtfo with that “I dont like broken characters who are so strong they have to go up against literal gods” Thats literally Dragon Ball Lmao!!! you have any idea of the Hypocrisy of that remark??
By looking at the comments section I have a few things to say 1. It seems like almost every one in the vs community thought that reverse flash was going to stomp the crap out of poor Goku black 2. You don't want Goku vs Superman 3 or Goku vs one punch man. One will be Goku vs Superman 2 but with better graphics. And the other is multi universal(at worst) vs solar system (at best) 3. Superman is a good character but for different reasons than Goku 4. Zeno is not equal to the one above all(maybe world forger) 5. Death battle dose not hate dragon ball ( dragon ball has one 6/10 of there fights), and at the time Chad(the voice of broomstick)said he did not like Superman. I am not a dc fan boy I love both DC and dragon ball equally( because I have little experience with both and all I know is from vs debates.)
One Punch Man isn’t Solar technically since he can break into a plane of existence by knocking giving him the ability to break space time... with him fists casually.
@@lvlHive I don't think death battle would include that or his only two serious fights are Son Goku (Xeno) and Superman Prime. I think they should ether do a joke fight (popyeye or captain underpants as a example ) so that the debate is gone, only, or just never use him to avoid the comments and no limits fallacy.
@UC2Usp9gsQn3xSll9o0tAmSw Well tbf the Koolaid man is basically a God. I wasnt suggesting Saitama for death battle i was correcting him being just Solar level.
@@zacharywinzenburg3423 Zeno is nowhere a 6 dimensional being hell he's not even space and time which puts him to 3d at best and Superman KO The World Forger a 6 dimensional being
You seem to be thinking about this as if it's a fight between boxers or something. Strength doesn't equate to everything when it comes to a battle or a fight. All factor relate to it.
@@FrostTheHobidon I don't really have a preference for one VA or another. As long as the voice acting is good enough. But Tiffany was great as Bulma, I can't lie about that
Comment on your preface in the video. Please stop using the Instant Transmission argument when it comes to Superman. Superman has survived red suns before. Superman is one of the most ridiculous characters not just in DC, but maybe in all of fiction. At least as far as heroes are concerned. The true source of his power doesn't really come from the yellow star, but rather it comes from the metafictional cosmic source of energy some people called the Story of Superman, which is legit a real thing in-universe. With this source of energy that could warp time and space itself, Superman was able to achieve feats such as punching the World Forger, a Multiversal God on par with the Monitor and Anti-Monitor. Destroying the 6th Dimension while he was at it. Superman did this while he was drained of solar energy. He did get a sunbathe a little while before, but he did not bathe in the sun for long. No amount of sunlight could've given him the win. This wasn't the work of the yellow star. This was the work of the cosmic metafictional force the Story of Superman. Dr. Fucking Manhattan, even he was shocked when he visited the DC cosmos. He even had a premonition, a vision of the future acknowledging the possibility that Superman would destroy him, HIM, Dr. Manhattan. This kind of power is FAR beyond ANYTHING in Dragon Ball, and incredibly complex, and quite frankly I don't have the time right now to go into full detail.
The Red Sun argument for GokuVSupes is irrelevant to this fight. As others have said, Goku doesn't know that weakness and also runs the risk of a going to a blue star which makes him stronger. Also, so many people forget HOW Dragonball characters fight, IF Goku knew about the Red Sun weakness then he could teleport him to one if there was someone nearby a star for him to lock onto. The problem is that Goku doesn't fight like that. Should have and could have don't mean anything compared to WOULD HAVE. So many people make the mistake of forgetting the mentality of Dragonball characters. If Goku knew a weakness that he shouldn't know and was ruthless then he COULD kill Supes. If Buu wasn't a chaotic idiot and fought smart then he COULD POSSIBLY beat Kirby. Meanwhile Zamasu had no way of removing Thawne's paradox, wasn't nearly as smart, and wasn't even close in terms of speed. Saying "DC always gets the fucking benefit of the doubt over Dragonball Z", there is no benefit of the doubt, the battle was over before it began because Speedsters are broken, and just because you are a casual about comics doesn't overrule Thawne's feats. Also people really need to stop calling the franchise DBZ, Zamasu is from DBS, if you want to call the franchise something, either be accurate or just say Dragonball for generalization, stop dickriding 90's Z nostalgia and move on you filthy casual. Hell, I saw official movie tickets for "Dragonball Super: Broly", that were called "Dragonball Z Super: Broly". Refering to the franchise as Z is a problem that needs to stop.
This is possibly my favorite DB of this year, after Blake vs. Mikasa. How many Death Battles have we seen that had both combatants kill each others'...let's say, incarnations, multiple times?
………i got say, Renegades, you might be the first, if not the only, reactors that I’ve watched reacting to this Death Battle, that actually thought in the beginning that Goku Black could take this, ‘cause everyone else or at least, the majority) of people that I’ve watched and read comments of to this point, all thought the exact opposite, some were even saying that this would be the end of Dragon Ball’s winning streak, hehe.
Their reasoning is really good for reverse flash winning this, I mean all it takes is that goku black is only able to live in a paradox due to the ring while reverse flash is a paradox himself so theirs not really a way to get rid of reverse flash’s time travel while goku black has a flaw in his due to the ring
Renegade your bias against Superman is probably the crappiest thing about your Chanel just because you don't understand a character doesn't mean they are crap.
Oh, you are *those* kinda dragon ball fans. Not trying to be rude but, Dragon Ball isn’t invincible. Goku doesn’t stand a chance against Superman, move on. Also, they already used Goku Blue in round 2 btw.
@@powangel1418 not really goku would lose to Cosmic armor superman Post crisis superman Milkman man Pre crisis superman Golden age superman Strange visitor superman All star superman The only superman's I see goku beating is movies or old superman's
4:10 Why do DragonBall fans never accounts Goku's actual character into their fights? No way Goku will just do that, he always wants a fair fight. Also, the strongest Superman will easily kill the strongest Goku (YES, even with MUI). The weakest Superman will get easily killed by the weakest Goku. 22:37 Yep, not really DB fans. Toriyama had input.
Also, (and I am not a dragon ball fan so please correct me if I am wrong here) if Goku knew different suns effected supes power level, would he not take him to a blue sun to fight him at his strongest? Hasn't that always been his thing or do I just not know dragon ball?
Guys, I have to disagree for Goku v Superman 3....I am sick of this debate...Just fucking sick of it....Goku's gonna lose again for the third time in a row, do you really want that to happen against someone who is MORE like a god than even ALL of Dragonball's Gods?...I mean hell, just take all the information from Death Battle with every single DC universal scaling, feats and such and come to the realization....Goku doesn't have a ghost of a chance against Supes and NEVER WILL!
I hate how people complain about them not giving you all the information if they did the death battles would be one-sided everybody would already know who would win and most people would probably not watch it. so no I don't think they should have gave you all the information. They gave you enough to make it seem equal so you would actually wonder who would win.
For those who don't know... it wasn't a coincidence thawne found that time capsule. he sent it to himself. And created the other evil speedster's origin stories too.
_"The one that made Toriyama think about creating Goku Black....it was me Barry...i did it so every Dragon Ball fan got butthurt at the Death Battle results!"_
It's always weird that people assume that Goku KNOWS Superman's abilities and weaknesses ahead of time. Goku's never been shown to be that smart. He might give Superman a Sensu bean at some point. lol
Did you not see Goku vs Superman 2? They already did Super Saiyan God _and_ Super Saiyan Blue, and even said that any new forms Goku gets in the future wouldn't be able to change the outcome, because it misses the entire point of both of their characters.
Okay so that’s 5 db wins and 3 db losses (I don’t count the rematch for Superman and goku cuz that was honestly not needed and was the same thing really.)
I don’t think it’s a good idea for another Superman vs Goku until Dragonball ends. Because if they do one as of now, it’s a lose-lose situation for Deathbattle. If Superman wins again: The DBZ fans will be pissed once again. If Goku wins: Even if the math checks out that he is stronger now, people will accuse Death Battle of having him win just to appease DBZ fans
I wouldn't really say DC's characters always get the benefit over Dragon Ball's, mostly because we've really only had two DC vs. DB match-ups. Superman vs. Goku (1 and 2) and now Reverse-Flash vs. Goku Black. Vegeta fought Shadow the Hedgehog (and won), which is SEGA. Buu fought Kirby, which is Nintendo. Hercule fought Dan Hibiki from Street Fighter (and won). Android 18 fought Captain Marvel and Broly fought Hulk, both of which are Marvel (and both of which they won against). And Roshi fought Jiraiya from Naruto...and won. Yes, Dragon Ball characters have lost every fight they've had against DC characters, but that's only three fights, two of which against the same people, out of a total of nine Death Battle match-ups, of which they've won five. That's way too small a sample size to claim any kind of bias, honestly.
People have gotten too comfortable with Dragon Ball Z always winning, I mean remember if you search up the fastest character you get the flash so reverse flash should be able to turn his hand around a trillion times to create the force to throw Goku Black into the sun at the speed of light even with no gravity..
28:45 nate dude. death battle does that all the time. i believe it's cause they are testing the knowledge of the fans. y'know the fact's that die hard fans are meant to know about?
haven't seen the whole video yet, but u made an argument that Goku could teleport superman to a red sun, deathbattle literally explained it. how would Goku know? even if he did know, it would be out of character to do it since he wants to fight people at their best. Goku could of teleported him to a blue star which increases Superman's power even more. oh yeah and superman op af so idk how Goku would even stand a chance to begin with.
Wouldn't even work if Goku knew how to pull it off, Superman can circle the universe in a fraction of a second. He could just fly back to a yellow or blue star long before it became a problem.
Bro your beginning rant about goku vs superman is laughable Seth the programmer one of the biggest DB stans admitted superman would win based on speed and vitality superman is so fast he can arrive before he left that's faster than instant I love goku but at some point you just got to except that some characters are more powerful than others you can say superman dosent make any since because he doesn't but that don't change the fact he is as strong or as faster or as broken as the story needs him to be
@@powangel1418 Because what he says is true. DC stories are self contained for a reason. You’re pitting a guy written by One Writer for 40 years against another who was written by Multiple Writers (dozens/hundreds) in a line of stories that have been around nearly 85 years, like how is that even fair? We got one who can Punch through multiple realities and then later gets clapped by Batman. Superman as whole is written for whatever the narrative needs him to be, that’s something Goku plainly cannot defeat.
That's not how Superman OR Goku work. Instant transmission requires him to have a ki signature to lock on to, and then he can only travel to where those people he can sense are. He can't just decide to find a red star somewhere at will, even he DID understand how Superman's powers worked, which he almost certainly wouldn't even you explained it to him. Secondly, red suns don't sap Superman's power, they just aren't enough to recharge him. Preventing his recharge wouldn't do anything to save you from the power he already had. Adn even if they did, it would take Superman a fraction of a second to fly to a different star and recharge. Finally, Superman can survive in a vacuum, Goku can not. Even as recently as the resurrection saga this was reasserted when Vegeta died after Frieza blew up the earth, not because a planetary explosion was a direct threat, but because he needs an atmosphere to survive, this is why Whis had to save Goku with his air pocket before he could take him back to fix things. Instant transmission would not give Goku an edge, because they aren't racing to some arbitrarily distant location with something Goku can lock onto waiting for him at the finish line, this is a fight. And the speed difference is so massive that Supes could land half a million blows in the time it took Goku to put his fingers to his forehead. This here is an even more laughably one sided stomp, as the Flashes all have attacks that can ignore durability, and effectively one shot anything mortal. The only way to be able to survive a Flash is to transcend time entirely, you can't outrun them when even instantaneous teleportation is slower than they are, and you can't survive being frozen in time or instantly aged to death. Compared to Marvel and DC comics, DBZ characters are just not that powerful. Both franchises are absolutely saturated with beings that make even Zeno look like a chump.
The strongest version of Superman has no weakness, plus.. that just goes to show how limited knowledge they have on Goku’s character. He wouldn’t want to transport him somewhere where he would be weakened - that doesn’t go with his character. So he would ultimately lose against him. And it’s not even close
@@parry3439 Fuck, okay good point. Drip Goku could kill all of fiction with a look. Alright I can't counter that one. Goku with that DRIP: 1 Literally every other story every crated: 0 Ggs drip Goku.
The reason why they won't do a Goku vs Superman part 3 was pretty clear in the part 2 video. Superman was designed to have no limits while Goku does have his limits. Sure, Goku has always pushed those limits and gotten stronger, but he still has limits. Where as Superman was created to not have limits at all meaning that even though Goku would be much stronger than what he was in their last match, Superman will still have limitless potential over him meaning he would still outclass Goku in the end.
It honestly doesn't make sense to try to scale characters from different fandoms. All fandoms have different rules, and it's nearly impossible to either way.
As soon as they said they actually think GOKU could beat Superman, i realized i HAD to watch this. That level of idiocy requires eyes and ears to witness what other criminally stupid things they might say.
I wasn't disappointed, these two are fucking morons. It was worth watching just to watch the sheer mental gymnastics required to attempt to explain what they think are the facts. Positively awesome.
@@rpsnider85 "I don't have any counter argument, but they said my favourite cartoon character looses, so they're wrong" Also imagine being so pathetic that you insult people over fictional characters.
Yes GB had the ring. But Thawne was the ring. He himself protects himself from a paradox because he was a living paradox. No item he had made him like that. He just was that
Are you asking about Superman? Because he can breathe in space for quite a while. Also the sun isn't a big concern for him. He once flew through a red sun. (The ones that get rid of his powers.) If you're talking about Goku then I dunno, you'd have to ask a Dragon Ball fan.
Yeah I knew from the very beginning that reverse Flash was gonna win this fight mainly due to the fact that whenever you are that fast and you can just phase through matter and you're essentially immortal in every sense, strength & durability feats basically have no impact in a fight at that point
Thoughts. 1. I just checked your playlist for "Death Battle" reaction videos and noticed multiple videos missing from it. The latest one I see in that list is "Ultron vs Sigma" from March of last year. Any particular reason none of the more recent "Death Battle" reaction videos were added to that list? 2. Among all the complaints I've heard about Superman, I've noticed 2 major recurring themes. Far more focus on the "Super" than the "Man". And a large amount of stories focused on evil versions of Superman. Based on those recurring trends, does anyone else wonder if writers might be more into writing about General Zod than they are Kal El?
I am quite sad they didn’t watch the rest of the video to see the next fight coming up. Of all the fights it could’ve been the next match up is not something I would’ve thought of.
I mean, I kinda get why they won't do another Goku V Superman. When they do it always seems to piss people off, like it's the one subject that floods them with hate. I can kinda see were their coming from.
Exactly. A dragonhall fan punched Ben in the face a a convention. And with this episode the scaling on superman would would a nightmare. This episode of theirs showed that a universal feat from DC is beyond a low multiversal feat in dragonball.
I despise Goku vs Superman 2 for the fact of the strange bias but against Clark. Devaluing Superman's character to such an extent while walking Goku's chatacter. Yeah Goku lost but they did it in such an insulting way to both DC and Dragon Ball fans. Imagine how they'd fuck it up in a part 3?
@@melvingenao550 it was an obvious backtrack to try and pacify the DB fans. I can understand why they did it but at the end of the day no one was gonna be happy anyway.
I'll have you all know that DC characters have only EVER lost Death Battles against Marvel characters, literally every other franchise who has fought DC characters in Death Battle have all lost
The result is going to be the same between Goku and Superman regardless of how much more powerful Goku can get. Until Goke can literally become a god... And not a Dragonball God, but god as we define them, then he has no chance.
Let's face it..Goku Black/Zamasu was the ONLY one who had a weakness in his Living Paradox state..the ring..which can be removed and destroyed. I don't know of ANY way Zamasu could have removed Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom's Living Paradox state. If he can't remove that state from Zoom but his own can be removed..it's only a matter of time before Zoom figures something out, he has all the time to try EVERYTHING. It's similar to why they say they won't do another Goku vs Superman, only one of them has limits to break, Superman doesn't have a limit and Goku isn't gonna use magic, I think the only thing that would work is Hakai but that's only if Superman lets him do it, cause God Ki and and Magic are two distinct things in the Dragon Ball universe..yes magic exist and we know it exist since Dragon Ball days, Piccolo's "cloths beam" as they call it in DBZ Abridged is magic..he can magically make cloths and a sword appear for Gohan during his training for the Sayains. Superman's only known weaknesses are Kryptonite, a Red Sun, and Magic. One kills with enough exposure to it (depending on how the writer feels), one removes his powers, and the other gets around his nigh invincibility. As my friend said of the Superman vs Goku battle: "Superman as a character is made to not lose, he'll always win in the end, he's made to be a symbol of heroism". It's why All Might has MAJOR Superman vibes to him, he's MADE as an homage to Western comics..back when they were good (I'm horridly biased as I prefer manga and have for years but even I can tell modern US comics from the big 2 have some problems), he's got the hands on hip stance and whole "Symbol of Peace" remember folks the ONLY reason Superman can fly is cause in animation it would take too long and look too goofy to show him jumping everywhere back in the day so when it was first animated they gave him flight, and he ONLY has a weakness to Kryptonite because the actor for Superman on the radio show wanted to take a day or so off so they had to give a reason for why. The original thing for Superman was: "Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound"..flight was not in the original powerset for Supes and he just got MORE broken as time went on.
For them to not believe that Superman can’t beat Goku is ridiculous. These guys need to do their research on DC and need to know that Superman is just wayyyy to over power. Goku in manga now still can’t beat Superman
It's hard to compare DC characters who have over twice the lifespan of Dragon Ball plus a multitude of authors and continuities. It's not really fair to either fandom when you compare
I'm confused. Do you like the Death Battle videos? You regularly react to them, but you always complain about them when you do. I'm not trying to be judgy, I'm just trying to understand how you view them and why it seems like you're just watching something you know you won't like.
Most people have a hate/love relationship with ScrewAttack and DeathBattle, the research is always supremely poor and the explanations are even worse but the fights are almost always super cool, like this one for example, the fight was cool asf but the research was mediocre
@@sushinkiren1389 I don't know about this research because it's very accurate for this fight that even DBZ/S fans know Goku black have no chance against reverse flash.
@@mohaumoseki3582 It's more along the lines of, unless you are a hardcore DB fan who knows absolutely NOTHING about the DC universe, you can see a way to win..but if you know anything about DC, especially legacy characters like Flash and Superman who's been around for decades, along with their rogue's gallery you know that most of the time DC is gonna win. Characters like Flash, Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom, and Superman have been around so long their power set is ridiculous. Reverse Flash has been shown to be faster than many of the Flash Family, including Wally West who's pretty much the fastest of them iirc..and then Superman is just...busted.
@@ShinKyuubi Right, these DC writers keep making the most ridiculous OP characters of all time to the point that most franchises can't beat them even they are most OP of them all.
@@mohaumoseki3582 I may prefer manga, have for years now..since..like late elementary school, early middle school, back in the late 90's to early 2000's..back when manga was still in it's infancy here and was printed in mirrored format. But I remember growing up as a Batman and Flash fan over Superman in DC. Back when liking Flash was kinda the same as being a fan of Mikey from the TMNT as he was seen as a more laid back and jokester kinda character, and the TV shows didn't really help sell his powerset at the time..I'm talking the Superfriends and all that..the show that really REALLY undersold Aquaman. You didn't really see Flash's potential in animation until the Justice League cartoon when he beat the fused version of Lex and Brainiac and faded into the Speed Force..and mind you that was Wally West, not Barry Allen.
Even though the death battle had some clear flaws such as the infinite mass punch which has been stated to have infinite mass by janie augent a speedster character who uses the speed force and the fact that their a bit wonky on where goku black’s power lies but nevertheless it’s a good fight and it was entertaining
Superman doesn't lose his power right away when he's near a red sun. It takes time for him to lose his power & there's been times when Superman literally flew thru red suns. Goku's power are limited & he has to break his limit to get to a higher level. Superman's strength is unlimited. And for Goku to use Instant Transmission he has to lock on somewhere he just can't teleport anywhere. Superman would rip his arms off as soon as he touches him if he wants. Goku can't even breathe in space Lol. Superman would beat Goku every time
See ur arguments alone is wrong. 1 Goku doesn’t understand Superman’s powers. 2. They made a very good point with the chalking the fight up to 10 minutes. Simply because DC universe doesn’t do Week long fights like DBZ they’re normally pretty quick so yea. 10 minutes is a pretty good time frame. Just face it gOkU ain’t shit. Like fr superman is just a giant walking plot device. Almost as bad as OPM
@@chasepfiffner2925 I don’t think any of them are bad characters I love them all for different reasons. I do think goku die hards are just that die hards
What I've noticed across multiple comments sections is people who think Goku Blck should have won are either not DC fans or have barely any knowledge on the Speedforce. That power alone is so op it makes ANY flash, (Barry, Wally, Thawne) literally whoever practically invincible. Too may comments saying "The only way RF won is cuz he got the ring. That's the only way he'll ever win" blah blah blah yeah thats probably true. But there is NO only or single way for Goku Black to win. It just wouldn't happen in any scenario. This could have been over in the first few seconds. RF could have easily traveled into back in time in the DBZ universe and saw Goku Black getting the ring, learned what it does, ran back to this fight, took it off his finger and dragged his ass in all of about .0002 seconds. But RF is the type toy with his opponent so he entertained it by going back and forth. You can see in the last speedforce sequence when he said enough was enough with this dude. "EMPTY THREATS TO A LIVING PARADOX!" *as he's throwing Haymakers while traveling faster than the speed of light.*
Goku And Beerus Rippling The Universe Does Not Put Goku At Universe Level Cause This Was Mostly Due To The Effects Of The God Of Destruction Ki Later Episodes Contradict This!
3:07 you never read a comic in your life, comic book characters outclass anime characters so many times. you’re talking about instant transmission when most these speedsters literally are faster than the concept of speed and time itself
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I think you guys overestimate what Goku would know about Superman. How would he EVER even know that he's weak to red suns or kryptonite if he's never met him? On top of that Goku wouldn't do that even if he knew, he fights people only at their best. Meanwhile, Superman has at one point predicted and perceived every bullet a man fired from a gun in his whole life and what he would do from there on the second he laid eyes on him. The moment Superman sees Goku he would know exactly how to fight him and even if he didn't he can move in negative seconds (was running through time by himself to follow Flash) so no matter how fast Goku is or all the teleporting (doesn't work without focus which Superman isn't going to allow if he sees him do it once, oh he can teleport by putting his fingers to his head? Let me not give him a brief moment of rest) he will still be slower.
Reverse flash is way more powerful
I love your vids but I wish you'd react to the next time on death battle segments
Honestly, that universal rest they gave reverse flash is low balling. Wally is fast enough to break the multiverse, and eobard is MUCH faster
If you’re wondering how Reverse Flash knew about the time ring, just remember that he comes from a universe where there’s an entire legion of people that have power based on rings. So it’s a fair guess lols.
Let alone Lantern corps exist. Space cops that literally use magic rings as weapons and transportation
He can sense temporal energies and disturbances in time. Figuring out the ring would take zero effort, taking it off would take even less.
If you put the video in slow motion every time Black uses anything related to time travel or using it's power (blades) the ring glows. Not only that, but Thawne has retrocognition when he enters a new universe and he can see into peoples past with the negative speed force (since it's tied to time also)
Multiple Leigons of people.
The problem is this. DC is a universe that is perfect self-contained. Almost everyone there is overpowered to a point. It makes sense. The problem comes when people constantly try to mash them in with other IPs, and then get mad when they win. Against ANYONE else Black woulda won. But Eobard is a top tier super villain. Even in DC!
@@hydepark1382 honestly the only real fight they'd have is with each other and possibly some green Lanterns
@@blitz4779 About the Green Lanterns... All the willpower of the universe condensed into a single being got stomped by Superboy Prime (Superman but he was never nerfed and also has a god complex) and Superboy Prime got completely overwhelmed by speedsters and sealed away in the Speedforce.
@@patientnr.0409 okay so just other speedsers. Dope
@@blitz4779 superboy really hates speedsters after the flashes trapped him in the speedforce
Personally I wouldn't say anything is perfect self contained. But Dc is definitely better when you don't compare it to other series. Especially since it's dozens of authors all giving their story and how they think characters should be. Theirs going to be insanely strong and weak versions of the same character. Cause different writers want them to be different things. When two speedsters racing is destroying the entire multiverse you can't compare that to another character from a self contained world.
“I don’t like broken characters who are so strong they have to go up against literal gods!” *thinks about the entirety of Dragon Ball Super*
Lol ikr
Yeahhhhh Nate unfortunately dug himself into a hole with that line. Beerus is literally named "the God of destruction" and Goku Black was a God too until he switched bodies...
That line pretty much summarizes dumbness of Superman haters🤦♂️
@@SAMEERKHAN-hk4qe to be fair when almost every DC character has a power source that can make them destroy reality at a whim it kind of makes it seem a bit pointless tbh, not excluding Dragon ball btw when your hero is strong enough to destroy universes casually what’s even the point of getting worried about them or who they’re trying to save? Plus it just makes it more infuriating depending on who they’re fighting either someone way stronger than them which makes the fight even more bonkers and unbelievable or someone way below their league making it pointless and frustrating when you see the hero struggle against them.
@@kevindolan9 then that's just comics,that's what they are. Yes I understand what ur saying but I disagree cuz u see those op moments r on rare occasions when writers wanna do smth crazy,in Death Battle they take every possible achievement of the character due to which comic characters gain advantage.DC has a very high power scaling so it feels unfair. That's y u don't see comic accurate powers in live action movies of Marvel n DC. But the comics will keep on doing what they've been doing n it's just fun on it's own. If u feel it's pointless to read it then u can watch cartoons or live action which have higher stakes n consequences. DB started as a fun adventure series n now they're fighting gods without any consequences. That's y Marvel n DC r head to head against each other,as a result they keep pushing their characters to do even crazier things so they can compete. At the end of the day it's the movies n series that truly matter.
Yeah, obviously Goku Black had more raw strength, but when it comes to their time manipulation powers, Reverse Flash has the major advantage, and THAT'S what mattered in this fight. Not to mention his ability to phase through people and target the internal organs means he doesn't have to be even close to Black's power to kill him.
Plus they have stated in the dragon ball manga that power don't mean shit if your opponent is faster than you.
@@marshallseldon4200
Right, as we've seen with Super Saiyam Grade 2.
@@marshallseldon4200 when have they ever said that bro 💀
@@powangel1418 In the manga during the cell saga (I'm not referring that Death Battle said that, there is dialogue in the manga that has goku saying that power is useless if you can't hit your opponent( ch 387 (DBZ 193) vol 33 (DBZ 17)).
@@marshallseldon4200 thank You
What part of incalculable speed did you not understand in the pre analysis?
Also, did you not pay attention to how Thawne has so many haxes that completely ignore Black’s defenses and the fact that Thawne doesn’t need a ring- he’s just a paradox himself?
For someone who hardly ever talks during his reactions, he doesn’t pay much attention ironically lol
4:02
....Nate.
Death Battle already countered this argument for Goku's Instant Transmission.
Goku doesn't know what a red Sun is. He doesn't even know Superman's weaknesses. Having a character win because of one weakness that they don't know about beforehand,but SOMEHOW would know about in the battle is a cop out.
Second of all,words straight out of Wiz's mouth;
"Even if Goku did Instant Transmission,he would run the risk and teleporting him to a BLUE sun,which actually increases Superman's potential"
And finally....really? You're gonna get mad about the numbers? That's literally what their channel is all about. Hence Wiz's catchphrase "*Analyze* Their Weapons,Armor,and Skills".
If you don't like what Death Battle does in their own show and just complain about it,then how about stop watching it. This is very annoying.
Period.
@@numberwalk2339 I never said they couldn't be mad when their preferred character loses.
I DID however say that they can't hate on Death Battle for doing what they do,like analyzing their strength and speed and such. It's just what they do.
Also I don't know what you're getting onto me for,when I'm saying exactly what most of these people in the comment section are saying.
@@numberwalk2339 Also I'm a weeb as well,so
@@numberwalk2339 everything you just said was retarded
Nate just represents every butthurt Gokutard who just can't grow up. I'm a DB fan n wanted Goku to win but it's pretty understandable y he didn't.
@@SAMEERKHAN-hk4qe Besides, the dbz been having a good win streak so far so another lost isn't gonna kill em
Goku Black may have raw strength on his side, but Zoom has speed, intelligence, and most importantly, technique on his side. He has all the powersets of positive Speed Force users plus others. Even most DB fans agreed this was pretty one-sided.
Goku Black isn't stronger. I don't want to start an argument here but Thawne is easily multiversal in attack power and the DC Multiverse is huge. The DC Multiverse has been stated to be infinite on so many occasions. If you're skeptical. Wally and Barry was gonna destroy the DC Multiverse just by racing and Reverse Flash scales to them. Arguably even above them. Goku Black was outmatched in every single way. Including Power. No idea why people give Power to Goku Black.
@@glennthehelper4524 Probably because of the Infinite Mass Punch which is a Star level attack, and Goku is Universe level when Zamasu swapped bodies.
@@captainvalkyrie999 The infinite mass punch being star level was stated to be star level literally 1 time while every other time on several accession's it was stated to have infinite mass instead of a dwarf star. even if you wanna say its star level because of the statement the statement is simple contradicted by more consistent feats.
@@PokerfaceNaru Oh. I assumed white dwarf star is around Star Level, like how there's Continent and Multi-Continent.
@@captainvalkyrie999 thats what Dragonball Fans want to argue and wank! because they think the IMP is just star level, Lol.
Everyone who knows what DC speedsters can do know that nobody in Dragon Ball can really match it….
Nobody is an overstatement, goku black is not goku. Not to mention there’s Zeno who’s basically a one above all but in the dragon Ball verse.
@@Machiavelli2pc compare Zeno to one above all is highball to be honest Zeno at best is multiversal being not to mention is a horrible fighter he literally needed a device to track down fighters in top for how fast they are
@@Machiavelli2pc zeno is nowhere near one above all. And sorry but the fact that Eobard survived Dr Manhattan who can easily kill zeno since he's dc multuversal means he can probably solo db
@@Machiavelli2pc Zeno has nothing on characters like Dr Manhattan, who Reverse Flash has straight up survived being erased by.
@@Machiavelli2pc dr.manhattan raised a hand and rebooted DC in doomsday clock. Never compare zeno to dr.Manhattan again.
Well look at it this way: DB is made by one author (two if you count DBS author) and the progression is quite linear. DC on the other hand as multiple authors each having different directions on how powerful they want a specific character to be. Not to mention DC has been going on for much longer than DBS so its natural that DC will have more feats than DB as a whole.
Personally that's why I hate it when people compare comics and anime/ manga. One is made by a single person the other has dozens of different writers and story's.
@@themehthebadandtheterribul180 DC and Marvel is like Shonen Jump. Dragon Ball is just one story in shonen jump just like how Superman is just one story in DC.
@@bigenson18 no not really. A shonen jump series is one story. Typically made by one or two people. Where as comics are several different stories and versions of the character. Made by several different people. Their isn't one story with comics theirs usually dozens.
@@themehthebadandtheterribul180 I think they meant like DC the company as a comparison to Shonen Jump Mazine, which is owned by Shueisha
@@manuelquijada2148 maybe. But then why did he say the part about dragon ball being one story. And that super man is just one story. And my original comment is about how comics have multiple different writers and stories. So comparing companies doesn't make any since.
Honestly, the fact Goku Black had a clear weakness is why I think Reverse Flash got the win.
Goku Black may be temporally immune, but that is only thanks to the time ring. Remove that and the moment Reverse Flash lands a fatal blow, he's as good as dead.
Meanwhile, the only way Reverse Flash could even die is be removing his anomalous nature, which was ONLY done by literally vibrating away his powers, which somebody would not immediately think of as a counter if they were not aware of the Speed Force.
I'm shocked that this fact didn't really register at all. Even if Goku Black was stronger than Reverse Flash, he had no clear way to permanently kill Reverse Flash. Meanwhile, Reverse Flash could probably figure out soon that the ring may be important somehow, and change tactics to destroying it so as to give himself an advantage.
This may be really lage but rf has fought a lot of people with rings such as the lanterns
It's actually not just vibrating away his living paradox status; Barry has to fully forgive Thawne, it's why he had to be a dick to Barry, it's literally the only way for him to interact with him.
When Barry no longer felt hate towards him, it grounded him; And then Barry just reset his timeline.
I don't think Zamasu is going to talk no jutsu Barry into forgiving Thawne.
Just because you don't like overpowered DC characters, doesn't mean they shouldnt win. If you think otherwise, you're purely reacting based off of ignorant fan boyism.
Same is said with dc fanboys
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 I'm not saying this as a DC fan. Most people who say this only do because they know how ridiculously stupid and overpowered DC characters are. DragonBall fans do it because they've convinced themselves that the characters are unbeatable and anyone who disagrees is biased against dragonball, and i say this as a dragonball fan. Get your false comparison outta here.
@@AceLeader101 well said
Facts man
@@AceLeader101 Well said
"It's hard to go against a Dragonball character."
"Except when it's against Superman, apparently."
Did... did you guys forget about Kirby?
Tbf that battle had so many flaws in data and downplaying boo to die to a star, but buu was able to destroy stars and galaxies in years which means he has to be over light speed to do that
@@Crashboy757 They hella downplayed Kirby too
To be fair Kirby never really killed gods. Kirby is pretty strong yes, but never actually killed legitimate gods before. For example Marx may act like a god, but really he isn't.
Stop ranting about this stuff.
@@vothbetilia4862 nebula is kinda a god
Whether or not you like this video, you cannot deny that kill was *BRUTAL.*
Right that was like a mortal kombat fatality
Indeed, We should praise the animators for their good work
That grind kill. DAMN.
@@jacobobrien5049 it was literally something Kabal would do and has basically done in Mk11
It's Death Battle.
Superman doesn't have to train nearly as much as Goku simply because he gets more powerful from absorbing sunlight alone. This is not to say that he doesn't train at all, however.
Plus, Superman is completely different than Goku.
Me and some friends questioned what if the two trained together. I think Superman would be a better fighter especially if Goku helped him pushed through his limits, that He himself he hads. No where near Goku level but it helps
For Goku?.. well he would just get a strong sparing partner is all. If he could he be able to learn Torquasm-Rao and Vao.
@DooNkeyTheGreat Sullivan Superman doesn’t really train in the sense that he would get stronger or break limits he goes “ill just be god now” and eliminates all his weaknesses.
@@lvlHive it’s strange I kinda feel bad for him. It’s just weird that he done such good in comics but writers barely know what to do with him.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459 Yeah for superman you either need to make a down to earth story about his struggles as a god amongst men, give him a new insane feat of power or ability, or do his origin again but with a small twist.
They really didn't need to mention Thawne's strength, they brought up all the points Thawne needed in the begining. Thawne is so fast that he could hit Goku Black a million times before Black could move and Thawne had the hax of being able to age you to death by just touching you once or phasing through your organs to displace molecules and kill you that way.
You see, them accepting that info would require them not being dragon ball stans
The fatal flaw with instant transmission is that it requires complete concentration.
Good luck concentrating on where you want to instant transport _and_ fight Superman at the same time.
A good chunk of DBZ fans knew Black wasn't going to win going into this. Even if they thought Black was stronger, Thawne has way too many hax on his side.
I remember someone saying they couldn't wait for the salt and others going "there's no way there's going to be salt! His opponent is from the flash family!" And between the frame 1 debunk video and this reaction... hoo boy
As soon as they said Reverse Flash was immune to consequence, I knew he was going to win.
@@nowelltheowl5619 the thing that sold me on reverse flash winning is the fact that fucking Dr. Manhattan couldn't keep him down. Who's basically Zeno on steroids
@@blitz4779 I went into this with no knowledge on Reverse Flash or Dr. Manhattan. They said he was a paradox, while I knew that Goku Black was a paradox because of the ring. Reverse Flash is obviously faster, and could take the ring off. That was my logic.
@@nowelltheowl5619 and that definitely works, cause no matter long it took, he'd eventually get that ring and instantly kill him
Once again seeing that theres no one here that understands Superman's character. Or people that understand that a character can struggle more than just against an opponent that they can punch.
EDIT: Also gotta say, if Superman really is boring because of how massively “OP” he is… why would you want Goku to be stronger? Wouldn’t that mean Goku is even more OP and take away something you love about him? That he struggles? And if you don’t care about how strong he is, then stop bringing up a dead fight.
Yeah, Superman's stories aren't about him being the strongest. The conflict in his stories focus around his morality and if he can be good enough to solve the problem.
It's frustrating seeing people devalue Superman based on superficial aspects.
I think the problem is that it’s barely shown anymore. Especially how most dc, and Marvel, comics are now. Like dude, did you see the shit they did with Captain Marvel… or is it Ms. Marvel? I forget.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459 I would give the benefit of the doubt, but they’ve been this way for years. Plus from how they talk they always had these thoughts about Superman.
Plus, they stated it at the end of the Superman vs Goku Part 2 battle. Goku is a character designed to have limits. Sure, he tends to find a way to push and even surpass those limits, but he still has limits none-the-less where as Superman was a character designed to not have any limits at all. No matter how strong Goku gets, his character is designed to have limits in the end where as Superman does not so Superman will still always outclass Goku in the end.
Hey Nate, when you said Goku could just instant transmission Superman to a red sun, he can’t, instant transmission can only travel to people he’s familiar with and Goku can breathe in space and would rather beat Superman at his best, but it’s your opinion but if it was Vegeta yeah he’d win but Superman could just fly to a blue sun 😂
"Goku can breathe in space"
Did you mean to say "can't"?
@@HB-fq9nn yes
What's Stopping Vegeta from stealing all the solar Power from supermans Body?
@@powangel1418 He's talking about why Goku wouldn't win.
He said that Vegeta would win.
Not only to mention he wouldn't know a red sun boosts his powers. That's like saying "Goku will instant transmission superman next to kryptonite and kill him" They typically don't use outer source weaknesses in DB because like... Yeah Hercule could be superman if he had a kryptonite jacket on so ofcourse Goku could . People just butthurt that Goku gets rocked
These death battle reactions are just progressively getting worse. Seems like Nate does nothing but cry now whenever the character hes rooting for doesn't win. Quite pathetic really
Took a while seeing this vid but yeah I 100% agree with you!
Nate saying that "Super Saiyan God and SSGSS are the reason that people are clamoring for a Round 3 of Goku vs Superman".
Me: Did....did people forget that Round 2 already had Goku using those, and he still lost? Round 1 had him going to SS4 and then losing. Round 3 would just be redundant.
I was going to say the same thing. I suppose you could make the argument for Ultra Instinct but I don't think the creators of the show are gonna change their minds i'd rather just see new ideas
The fact they took a conglomerate cannon superman and not Goku still pisses me off super Goku ain't the strongest Goku. And yes they did not use the strongest Superman they still could do more with Goku
@@holderofgold6764 How is Super Goku not the strongest Goku? Fan-created stuff like Super Saiyan 5 don't count.
After this episode's results? Definitely redundant.
@@holderofgold6764 Its not really a composite Superman. All the feats they used were post crisis and new 52, which ended up eventually merging. Goku was actually composited in the first match since they included the films and GT.
Did they misinterpret the feats? Absolutely. But the composite complaint is said so often about Superman but doesn't hold up.
It's a bit disappointing to see how ignorant you guys still are when forming opinions about what character can beat the other, you base your opinions on fanboy bias instead of actual feats and facts
DB keep some stuff out of the analysis so it's not obvious who will win. Like them both being able to destroy universes makes them seem equal. Then after the battle when they say the DC universe is a billion times bigger then ours. It isn't as close. And they realized that once it was pointed out the size difference.
@@themehthebadandtheterribul180 Tbf, they mentioned the size of the DC universe multiple times before in other episodes, thinking that it would've been repetitive too keep bringing it up. But I agree with the fact that them withholding information is just super annoying (especially when the bring up a feat, don't mention a calc for it, and then calc at the very end of the episode). Which again very annoying.
@@merlinthestrange8543 yeah they have talked about it before. But like you said either way they bring it up again at the end. And some people it could be their first video they see so they can't assume people should know it. Either way it definitely gets annoying when they mintion a feat then don't explain it. Then after the fight explain the feat. But it's just how they want to do it. No one's going to watch the fight if it's obvious who wins.
Accurate. If anything, DB tends to be biased IN FAVOR of DB. DB has more Ws than Ls and some of those Ws, like Captain Marvel vs Android 18 and Vegeta vs Shadow, weren't accurate. However, you only remember their Ls.
@@SB0083 not really they've done dragon ball dirty before. Like the Goku vs super man. For their speed calcs instead of *50 for ssj. They cut his speed in half. So for them to be biased towards wanting it to win doesn't make since.
Before the reaction even begins, all I hear are Goku fanboys whining without understanding Goku’s character… or his techniques!!
Gets your heads out your asses and learn how the Instant Transmission works!!!
" i prefer heroes who have to work and not faced gods to be challenged " not every character is a shonen hero who marks challenge and struggle as fights or physical feats.
"prefer" = "every"?
is goku really working hard though? it's like he buys a 1$ melon and then reselling it at 20$, analogy being he trains normally and gets transformations to multiply that
@@parry3439 The training, which is usually not normal (ex: he hired an assassin to target himself), leads to the transformations. When he was given Super Saiyan God through a ritual, he was dissatisfied b/c he didn't achieve it on his own.
@@jp3813 uhhh yeah, because he is literally saying he likes heroes who go through shonen level power spikes as opposed to anything else.
@@jp3813 but without his saiyan biology none of his training would matter which is why i think its weird seeing goku held up as some motivational hero
One thing they didn't mention is that Reverse Flash doesn't require any external objects to maintain his paradoxical nature.
Yo what are you talking about. "It wouldve been cool if you mentioned that feat earlier" they literally did say it in the analysis
They didn't mention the size difference between our Universe and the DC universe in the analysis.
@@HB-fq9nn They mentioned the size of the DC universe several times beforehand in past episodes.
@@keithleracc True.
@@keithleracc I don't think it's fair to expect people to have memorized 150 episodes' worth of analysis. It really should have been included before the fight, especially since they brought up Universe 7's size.
@@scyfrix True but if you watch enough of death battle, especially involving DC characters, it’s kind a hard to forget how often they mention how big the DC universe is. This is just the first time that they mention how big the DC universe is in comparison to the dragon Ball universe.
Honestly even as a Dragonball fan, this outcome was obvious. The Flashes are easily the most stupidly overpowered things in the DC universe.
Yeah but that's what makes them so cool
@@pugy2000 Boring**
@@Carpetzzz you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong
@@pugy2000 It’s not wrong to think DC characters are boring just like it’s not wrong to think they’re not.
@@Carpetzzz what is wrong is to insult a character that so many people have worked on developing, by calling them boring, you don't have to like them, but to say that all of that work was for nothing, is far too insulting twords excellent writers
Now that they finally brought in the canon that the DC Universe is a billion times larger than our universe...
I bet you don't want that "Superman vs Goku 3" anymore.
Even before Super came along, the best power level Z Goku had is Solar System and GT Goku potentially Galaxy, but Superman has done universal-multiversal feats by that time.
@@captainvalkyrie999 didn't GT Goku shake Hell just by powering up in base? If so, that would put him at universal without even transforming. End of GT Goku (post-100 year time skip) is the only version of Goku I can really see taking on Supes at his best, though.
One's temporal immortality was tied to a destructible object, while the other's was permanent. That alone gave Reverse-Flash a distinct advantage.
Yeah, Goku wouldn’t stand a chance against Superman. Superman’s strongest form is immune to literally everything, is as fast as Wally West, is multi-verse all in power output & has the ability to remove people’s powers and change their molecular structure. He would literally just need to want to change Goku into a normal, powerless human and not a Saiyan anymore. Superman is sadly one of the top 3 strongest characters to have ever existed if not the strongest. I don’t like Superman, but there is no doubt he would obliterate Goku.
Are you sure you’re not talking about pre-crisis? That sounds a bit exaggerated to someone like me on the outside who hasn’t been keeping up with Supes lately.
@@TinkatonOCorviknightBodies well considering pre-crisis is canon again, he very well could be
@@TinkatonOCorviknightBodies sperman prime
You Think the strongest version of superman is Only Multiversal?
Current Goku is Low Complex Multiversal in Base Form my Boy
The strongest superman is definitely above Multiversal 💀
@@powangel1418 Well cosmic armor superman is not really a superman but yes.
like he is most A superman, but he is a robot form monitors so most powerful version of our superman is superman prime
lol! gtfo with that “I dont like broken characters who are so strong they have to go up against literal gods” Thats literally Dragon Ball Lmao!!! you have any idea of the Hypocrisy of that remark??
By looking at the comments section I have a few things to say
1. It seems like almost every one in the vs community thought that reverse flash was going to stomp the crap out of poor Goku black
2. You don't want Goku vs Superman 3 or Goku vs one punch man. One will be Goku vs Superman 2 but with better graphics. And the other is multi universal(at worst) vs solar system (at best)
3. Superman is a good character but for different reasons than Goku
4. Zeno is not equal to the one above all(maybe world forger)
5. Death battle dose not hate dragon ball ( dragon ball has one 6/10 of there fights), and at the time Chad(the voice of broomstick)said he did not like Superman.
I am not a dc fan boy I love both DC and dragon ball equally( because I have little experience with both and all I know is from vs debates.)
One Punch Man isn’t Solar technically since he can break into a plane of existence by knocking giving him the ability to break space time... with him fists casually.
@@lvlHive I don't think death battle would include that or his only two serious fights are Son Goku (Xeno) and Superman Prime. I think they should ether do a joke fight (popyeye or captain underpants as a example ) so that the debate is gone, only, or just never use him to avoid the comments and no limits fallacy.
@UC2Usp9gsQn3xSll9o0tAmSw Well tbf the Koolaid man is basically a God. I wasnt suggesting Saitama for death battle i was correcting him being just Solar level.
@@lvlHive wait when did Saitama break the plain of existence?
@@zacharywinzenburg3423 Zeno is nowhere a 6 dimensional being hell he's not even space and time which puts him to 3d at best and Superman KO The World Forger a 6 dimensional being
Um…..Nate…..buddy……you know the second Goku vs. Superman death battle actually had Goku go SSG and SSGSS right? You literally reacted to it.
I mean Superman literally one punched a Character greater than Zeno himself but still DB fanboys are salty.
You seem to be thinking about this as if it's a fight between boxers or something. Strength doesn't equate to everything when it comes to a battle or a fight. All factor relate to it.
I don't like Monica Rial much either, but I don't let that interfere with my enjoyment of the characters she plays.
Who?
@@jordanhunter3375 Bulma’s voice actress.
she doesnt have nothing to do with this lets not dwell on stupid thing.
I prefer Tiffany Vollmer as my Bulma voice
@@FrostTheHobidon I don't really have a preference for one VA or another. As long as the voice acting is good enough. But Tiffany was great as Bulma, I can't lie about that
Comment on your preface in the video. Please stop using the Instant Transmission argument when it comes to Superman. Superman has survived red suns before.
Superman is one of the most ridiculous characters not just in DC, but maybe in all of fiction. At least as far as heroes are concerned. The true source of his power doesn't really come from the yellow star, but rather it comes from the metafictional cosmic source of energy some people called the Story of Superman, which is legit a real thing in-universe.
With this source of energy that could warp time and space itself, Superman was able to achieve feats such as punching the World Forger, a Multiversal God on par with the Monitor and Anti-Monitor. Destroying the 6th Dimension while he was at it. Superman did this while he was drained of solar energy. He did get a sunbathe a little while before, but he did not bathe in the sun for long. No amount of sunlight could've given him the win. This wasn't the work of the yellow star. This was the work of the cosmic metafictional force the Story of Superman.
Dr. Fucking Manhattan, even he was shocked when he visited the DC cosmos. He even had a premonition, a vision of the future acknowledging the possibility that Superman would destroy him, HIM, Dr. Manhattan.
This kind of power is FAR beyond ANYTHING in Dragon Ball, and incredibly complex, and quite frankly I don't have the time right now to go into full detail.
Goku vs. Superman in a single comment:
While I've never heard anyone explain it that way, I wholeheartedly agree.
The Red Sun argument for GokuVSupes is irrelevant to this fight. As others have said, Goku doesn't know that weakness and also runs the risk of a going to a blue star which makes him stronger. Also, so many people forget HOW Dragonball characters fight, IF Goku knew about the Red Sun weakness then he could teleport him to one if there was someone nearby a star for him to lock onto. The problem is that Goku doesn't fight like that. Should have and could have don't mean anything compared to WOULD HAVE. So many people make the mistake of forgetting the mentality of Dragonball characters. If Goku knew a weakness that he shouldn't know and was ruthless then he COULD kill Supes. If Buu wasn't a chaotic idiot and fought smart then he COULD POSSIBLY beat Kirby. Meanwhile Zamasu had no way of removing Thawne's paradox, wasn't nearly as smart, and wasn't even close in terms of speed. Saying "DC always gets the fucking benefit of the doubt over Dragonball Z", there is no benefit of the doubt, the battle was over before it began because Speedsters are broken, and just because you are a casual about comics doesn't overrule Thawne's feats. Also people really need to stop calling the franchise DBZ, Zamasu is from DBS, if you want to call the franchise something, either be accurate or just say Dragonball for generalization, stop dickriding 90's Z nostalgia and move on you filthy casual. Hell, I saw official movie tickets for "Dragonball Super: Broly", that were called "Dragonball Z Super: Broly". Refering to the franchise as Z is a problem that needs to stop.
Even if Goku teleported superman to a red sun Superman can power through it. Superman has flown through red suns before.
This is possibly my favorite DB of this year, after Blake vs. Mikasa. How many Death Battles have we seen that had both combatants kill each others'...let's say, incarnations, multiple times?
Nah, ain’t no way Blake vs Mikasa was your second favorite db
………i got say, Renegades, you might be the first, if not the only, reactors that I’ve watched reacting to this Death Battle, that actually thought in the beginning that Goku Black could take this, ‘cause everyone else or at least, the majority) of people that I’ve watched and read comments of to this point, all thought the exact opposite, some were even saying that this would be the end of Dragon Ball’s winning streak, hehe.
Their reasoning is really good for reverse flash winning this, I mean all it takes is that goku black is only able to live in a paradox due to the ring while reverse flash is a paradox himself so theirs not really a way to get rid of reverse flash’s time travel while goku black has a flaw in his due to the ring
Renegade your bias against Superman is probably the crappiest thing about your Chanel just because you don't understand a character doesn't mean they are crap.
Oh, you are *those* kinda dragon ball fans. Not trying to be rude but, Dragon Ball isn’t invincible. Goku doesn’t stand a chance against Superman, move on. Also, they already used Goku Blue in round 2 btw.
Goku beats Alot Of Superman but when You use a Composite Supes against Only Super Goku Obviously Superman Gonna Win my Boy 😂
@@powangel1418 not really goku would lose to
Cosmic armor superman
Post crisis superman
Milkman man
Pre crisis superman
Golden age superman
Strange visitor superman
All star superman
The only superman's I see goku beating is movies or old superman's
@hotdog water56 Also fun fact technically all Superman versions are immune to Zeno since it is confirmed he can’t be erased.
I'm sure all versions of Superman would beat Goku to a pulp
@@Psycho-th8vb Not all versions but Current superman could.
4:10 Why do DragonBall fans never accounts Goku's actual character into their fights? No way Goku will just do that, he always wants a fair fight.
Also, the strongest Superman will easily kill the strongest Goku (YES, even with MUI). The weakest Superman will get easily killed by the weakest Goku.
22:37 Yep, not really DB fans. Toriyama had input.
Also, (and I am not a dragon ball fan so please correct me if I am wrong here) if Goku knew different suns effected supes power level, would he not take him to a blue sun to fight him at his strongest? Hasn't that always been his thing or do I just not know dragon ball?
@@kata4300 No that's pretty accurate If he could he would
In the last fight that did the preview for this one I already knew who was going to win this.
Guys, I have to disagree for Goku v Superman 3....I am sick of this debate...Just fucking sick of it....Goku's gonna lose again for the third time in a row, do you really want that to happen against someone who is MORE like a god than even ALL of Dragonball's Gods?...I mean hell, just take all the information from Death Battle with every single DC universal scaling, feats and such and come to the realization....Goku doesn't have a ghost of a chance against Supes and NEVER WILL!
PREACH!!!!!!!!!!! Lol
@@IvanimalReacts [DATA EXPUNGED]
DBZ fanboys always cry the worst.
And people who think they know us always sound the dumbest.
@@RenegadesReact I'm speaking of certain people in the comments whining but ok.
@@Ratchetfan321 please clarify intent on future statements. As lack of context can lead to misunderstands.
I hate how people complain about them not giving you all the information if they did the death battles would be one-sided everybody would already know who would win and most people would probably not watch it. so no I don't think they should have gave you all the information. They gave you enough to make it seem equal so you would actually wonder who would win.
For those who don't know... it wasn't a coincidence thawne found that time capsule. he sent it to himself. And created the other evil speedster's origin stories too.
So in other words It was me barry
_"The one that made Toriyama think about creating Goku Black....it was me Barry...i did it so every Dragon Ball fan got butthurt at the Death Battle results!"_
It's always weird that people assume that Goku KNOWS Superman's abilities and weaknesses ahead of time. Goku's never been shown to be that smart. He might give Superman a Sensu bean at some point. lol
Fun fact when i first saw this i was like "how on earth is this a fair fight!?" Because i had no idea about 80% of reverse flashes stuff
Lmao, amazing how fast that turns 180 once you learn about all of Thawn's bullshit lol. I love the flash family but god damn are they op.
So apparently that was The Angel Dust voice actor from Hazbin Hotel playing Goku Black Michael Kovach
Did you not see Goku vs Superman 2? They already did Super Saiyan God _and_ Super Saiyan Blue, and even said that any new forms Goku gets in the future wouldn't be able to change the outcome, because it misses the entire point of both of their characters.
Okay so that’s 5 db wins and 3 db losses (I don’t count the rematch for Superman and goku cuz that was honestly not needed and was the same thing really.)
Theres 6 dbz wins. Vegeta, Hercule, Android 18, Roshi, Broly, and Beerus.
@@comicking428 Oh yeah forgot about Beerus thx
28:39 They did mentioned it Thawne's Analysis....
I don’t think it’s a good idea for another Superman vs Goku until Dragonball ends.
Because if they do one as of now, it’s a lose-lose situation for Deathbattle.
If Superman wins again:
The DBZ fans will be pissed once again.
If Goku wins:
Even if the math checks out that he is stronger now, people will accuse Death Battle of having him win just to appease DBZ fans
I wouldn't really say DC's characters always get the benefit over Dragon Ball's, mostly because we've really only had two DC vs. DB match-ups. Superman vs. Goku (1 and 2) and now Reverse-Flash vs. Goku Black.
Vegeta fought Shadow the Hedgehog (and won), which is SEGA.
Buu fought Kirby, which is Nintendo.
Hercule fought Dan Hibiki from Street Fighter (and won).
Android 18 fought Captain Marvel and Broly fought Hulk, both of which are Marvel (and both of which they won against).
And Roshi fought Jiraiya from Naruto...and won.
Yes, Dragon Ball characters have lost every fight they've had against DC characters, but that's only three fights, two of which against the same people, out of a total of nine Death Battle match-ups, of which they've won five. That's way too small a sample size to claim any kind of bias, honestly.
You forgot Beerus clapping Galaxia.
People have gotten too comfortable with Dragon Ball Z always winning, I mean remember if you search up the fastest character you get the flash so reverse flash should be able to turn his hand around a trillion times to create the force to throw Goku Black into the sun at the speed of light even with no gravity..
Hm, has any of watched any of their Death Battle Cast Videos?
They DO actual research for their Episodes you know.
Nate you need to be less salty, its just a show XD WHAT We should do more is praise the animators for their good work
Agreed!
28:45 nate dude. death battle does that all the time. i believe it's cause they are testing the knowledge of the fans. y'know the fact's that die hard fans are meant to know about?
When two immortals fight each other, it's always the one who's immortality comes from an object who ends up losing
haven't seen the whole video yet, but u made an argument that Goku could teleport superman to a red sun, deathbattle literally explained it. how would Goku know? even if he did know, it would be out of character to do it since he wants to fight people at their best. Goku could of teleported him to a blue star which increases Superman's power even more. oh yeah and superman op af so idk how Goku would even stand a chance to begin with.
Wouldn't even work if Goku knew how to pull it off, Superman can circle the universe in a fraction of a second. He could just fly back to a yellow or blue star long before it became a problem.
Bro your beginning rant about goku vs superman is laughable Seth the programmer one of the biggest DB stans admitted superman would win based on speed and vitality superman is so fast he can arrive before he left that's faster than instant I love goku but at some point you just got to except that some characters are more powerful than others you can say superman dosent make any since because he doesn't but that don't change the fact he is as strong or as faster or as broken as the story needs him to be
3:20 depends on the version of superman , but yeah goku still loses
Most Superman get Clapped by Goku unless You Use Some Op Form Of Superman cause Goku Got Way Better feats than alot of Superman
@@powangel1418 You can believe that if you want my friend.
@@glennthehelper4524 Great Argument👍
Can you not say anything to prove why I'm wrong or do You just know I'm right 💀
@@powangel1418 Because what he says is true. DC stories are self contained for a reason. You’re pitting a guy written by One Writer for 40 years against another who was written by Multiple Writers (dozens/hundreds) in a line of stories that have been around nearly 85 years, like how is that even fair?
We got one who can Punch through multiple realities and then later gets clapped by Batman. Superman as whole is written for whatever the narrative needs him to be, that’s something Goku plainly cannot defeat.
@@adam_clown Took the words right out of my mouth!
That's not how Superman OR Goku work. Instant transmission requires him to have a ki signature to lock on to, and then he can only travel to where those people he can sense are. He can't just decide to find a red star somewhere at will, even he DID understand how Superman's powers worked, which he almost certainly wouldn't even you explained it to him. Secondly, red suns don't sap Superman's power, they just aren't enough to recharge him. Preventing his recharge wouldn't do anything to save you from the power he already had. Adn even if they did, it would take Superman a fraction of a second to fly to a different star and recharge. Finally, Superman can survive in a vacuum, Goku can not. Even as recently as the resurrection saga this was reasserted when Vegeta died after Frieza blew up the earth, not because a planetary explosion was a direct threat, but because he needs an atmosphere to survive, this is why Whis had to save Goku with his air pocket before he could take him back to fix things.
Instant transmission would not give Goku an edge, because they aren't racing to some arbitrarily distant location with something Goku can lock onto waiting for him at the finish line, this is a fight. And the speed difference is so massive that Supes could land half a million blows in the time it took Goku to put his fingers to his forehead.
This here is an even more laughably one sided stomp, as the Flashes all have attacks that can ignore durability, and effectively one shot anything mortal. The only way to be able to survive a Flash is to transcend time entirely, you can't outrun them when even instantaneous teleportation is slower than they are, and you can't survive being frozen in time or instantly aged to death.
Compared to Marvel and DC comics, DBZ characters are just not that powerful. Both franchises are absolutely saturated with beings that make even Zeno look like a chump.
The strongest version of Superman has no weakness, plus.. that just goes to show how limited knowledge they have on Goku’s character. He wouldn’t want to transport him somewhere where he would be weakened - that doesn’t go with his character. So he would ultimately lose against him. And it’s not even close
If we Using the Strongest Version Of Goku he can Literally be scaled above fiction 💀
@@powangel1418 who, drip goku?💀💀
@@powangel1418 Source? Evidence? Please? I somehow think that Goku couldn't destroy the entire omniverse.
@@parry3439 Fuck, okay good point. Drip Goku could kill all of fiction with a look. Alright I can't counter that one.
Goku with that DRIP: 1
Literally every other story every crated: 0
Ggs drip Goku.
DB already had super sayan blue in goku vs superman 2
The reason why they won't do a Goku vs Superman part 3 was pretty clear in the part 2 video. Superman was designed to have no limits while Goku does have his limits. Sure, Goku has always pushed those limits and gotten stronger, but he still has limits. Where as Superman was created to not have limits at all meaning that even though Goku would be much stronger than what he was in their last match, Superman will still have limitless potential over him meaning he would still outclass Goku in the end.
It honestly doesn't make sense to try to scale characters from different fandoms. All fandoms have different rules, and it's nearly impossible to either way.
The saddest on ur face my guy. Dogs like: fuck y’all i’m tired of Dragon Ball winning LOL
As soon as they said they actually think GOKU could beat Superman, i realized i HAD to watch this. That level of idiocy requires eyes and ears to witness what other criminally stupid things they might say.
I wasn't disappointed, these two are fucking morons. It was worth watching just to watch the sheer mental gymnastics required to attempt to explain what they think are the facts. Positively awesome.
@@rpsnider85 "I don't have any counter argument, but they said my favourite cartoon character looses, so they're wrong" Also imagine being so pathetic that you insult people over fictional characters.
Yes GB had the ring. But Thawne was the ring. He himself protects himself from a paradox because he was a living paradox. No item he had made him like that. He just was that
Awe, I wanted to see their reactions to who would be next
4:22
Wait how long can he breathe in space? Also can how close can he be near the sun? Is his ki protecting him?
Are you asking about Superman? Because he can breathe in space for quite a while. Also the sun isn't a big concern for him. He once flew through a red sun. (The ones that get rid of his powers.) If you're talking about Goku then I dunno, you'd have to ask a Dragon Ball fan.
Yeah I knew from the very beginning that reverse Flash was gonna win this fight mainly due to the fact that whenever you are that fast and you can just phase through matter and you're essentially immortal in every sense, strength & durability feats basically have no impact in a fight at that point
Thoughts.
1. I just checked your playlist for "Death Battle" reaction videos and noticed multiple videos missing from it. The latest one I see in that list is "Ultron vs Sigma" from March of last year. Any particular reason none of the more recent "Death Battle" reaction videos were added to that list?
2. Among all the complaints I've heard about Superman, I've noticed 2 major recurring themes. Far more focus on the "Super" than the "Man". And a large amount of stories focused on evil versions of Superman. Based on those recurring trends, does anyone else wonder if writers might be more into writing about General Zod than they are Kal El?
I am quite sad they didn’t watch the rest of the video to see the next fight coming up. Of all the fights it could’ve been the next match up is not something I would’ve thought of.
You should watch to the end to see who’s next. Love to see everyone’s reaction to that! Especially this one
Nah, it was saltier than McDonald’s fries 💀
@@Bird_Manukilla Keep talkin
@@5Akecheta4 it’s just a YT vid, bro is getting pressed over nothing. 😂
@@Bird_Manukilla Keep talkin, and gaslightin
Superman is too fast for goku
And way too strong, don't forget about that
And has far superior hax.
Nah Goku Got Casual Faster than Instant Speed Feats Now 💀
@@chimpo961 depends on the superman
@@powangel1418 If you're referring to Instant Transmission, Teleportation is not speed. Just a way to bypass distance.
I mean, I kinda get why they won't do another Goku V Superman. When they do it always seems to piss people off, like it's the one subject that floods them with hate. I can kinda see were their coming from.
Exactly.
A dragonhall fan punched Ben in the face a a convention.
And with this episode the scaling on superman would would a nightmare.
This episode of theirs showed that a universal feat from DC is beyond a low multiversal feat in dragonball.
@@melvingenao550
???
When the hell did that first part happen?
I despise Goku vs Superman 2 for the fact of the strange bias but against Clark. Devaluing Superman's character to such an extent while walking Goku's chatacter. Yeah Goku lost but they did it in such an insulting way to both DC and Dragon Ball fans. Imagine how they'd fuck it up in a part 3?
@@Dragonzord571 yea the disrespect on supermans name was insane. Only a couple youtubers picked up on it.
@@melvingenao550 it was an obvious backtrack to try and pacify the DB fans. I can understand why they did it but at the end of the day no one was gonna be happy anyway.
I'll have you all know that DC characters have only EVER lost Death Battles against Marvel characters, literally every other franchise who has fought DC characters in Death Battle have all lost
DC has beat Marvel on several occasions.
@@Plasmabolt64 He said "ever lost" not "lost every".
And it's usually the non powered DC losing against the Marvel non or less powered. Like Batman or Red Hood.
Because DC recently created many powerful beings
The result is going to be the same between Goku and Superman regardless of how much more powerful Goku can get. Until Goke can literally become a god... And not a Dragonball God, but god as we define them, then he has no chance.
Let's face it..Goku Black/Zamasu was the ONLY one who had a weakness in his Living Paradox state..the ring..which can be removed and destroyed. I don't know of ANY way Zamasu could have removed Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom's Living Paradox state. If he can't remove that state from Zoom but his own can be removed..it's only a matter of time before Zoom figures something out, he has all the time to try EVERYTHING. It's similar to why they say they won't do another Goku vs Superman, only one of them has limits to break, Superman doesn't have a limit and Goku isn't gonna use magic, I think the only thing that would work is Hakai but that's only if Superman lets him do it, cause God Ki and and Magic are two distinct things in the Dragon Ball universe..yes magic exist and we know it exist since Dragon Ball days, Piccolo's "cloths beam" as they call it in DBZ Abridged is magic..he can magically make cloths and a sword appear for Gohan during his training for the Sayains. Superman's only known weaknesses are Kryptonite, a Red Sun, and Magic. One kills with enough exposure to it (depending on how the writer feels), one removes his powers, and the other gets around his nigh invincibility. As my friend said of the Superman vs Goku battle: "Superman as a character is made to not lose, he'll always win in the end, he's made to be a symbol of heroism". It's why All Might has MAJOR Superman vibes to him, he's MADE as an homage to Western comics..back when they were good (I'm horridly biased as I prefer manga and have for years but even I can tell modern US comics from the big 2 have some problems), he's got the hands on hip stance and whole "Symbol of Peace" remember folks the ONLY reason Superman can fly is cause in animation it would take too long and look too goofy to show him jumping everywhere back in the day so when it was first animated they gave him flight, and he ONLY has a weakness to Kryptonite because the actor for Superman on the radio show wanted to take a day or so off so they had to give a reason for why. The original thing for Superman was: "Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound"..flight was not in the original powerset for Supes and he just got MORE broken as time went on.
For them to not believe that Superman can’t beat Goku is ridiculous. These guys need to do their research on DC and need to know that Superman is just wayyyy to over power. Goku in manga now still can’t beat Superman
It's hard to compare DC characters who have over twice the lifespan of Dragon Ball plus a multitude of authors and continuities. It's not really fair to either fandom when you compare
I'm confused. Do you like the Death Battle videos? You regularly react to them, but you always complain about them when you do. I'm not trying to be judgy, I'm just trying to understand how you view them and why it seems like you're just watching something you know you won't like.
Most people have a hate/love relationship with ScrewAttack and DeathBattle, the research is always supremely poor and the explanations are even worse but the fights are almost always super cool, like this one for example, the fight was cool asf but the research was mediocre
@@sushinkiren1389 I don't know about this research because it's very accurate for this fight that even DBZ/S fans know Goku black have no chance against reverse flash.
@@mohaumoseki3582 It's more along the lines of, unless you are a hardcore DB fan who knows absolutely NOTHING about the DC universe, you can see a way to win..but if you know anything about DC, especially legacy characters like Flash and Superman who's been around for decades, along with their rogue's gallery you know that most of the time DC is gonna win. Characters like Flash, Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom, and Superman have been around so long their power set is ridiculous. Reverse Flash has been shown to be faster than many of the Flash Family, including Wally West who's pretty much the fastest of them iirc..and then Superman is just...busted.
@@ShinKyuubi Right, these DC writers keep making the most ridiculous OP characters of all time to the point that most franchises can't beat them even they are most OP of them all.
@@mohaumoseki3582 I may prefer manga, have for years now..since..like late elementary school, early middle school, back in the late 90's to early 2000's..back when manga was still in it's infancy here and was printed in mirrored format. But I remember growing up as a Batman and Flash fan over Superman in DC. Back when liking Flash was kinda the same as being a fan of Mikey from the TMNT as he was seen as a more laid back and jokester kinda character, and the TV shows didn't really help sell his powerset at the time..I'm talking the Superfriends and all that..the show that really REALLY undersold Aquaman. You didn't really see Flash's potential in animation until the Justice League cartoon when he beat the fused version of Lex and Brainiac and faded into the Speed Force..and mind you that was Wally West, not Barry Allen.
Even though the death battle had some clear flaws such as the infinite mass punch which has been stated to have infinite mass by janie augent a speedster character who uses the speed force and the fact that their a bit wonky on where goku black’s power lies but nevertheless it’s a good fight and it was entertaining
Oh yeah! Next DB is gonna be crazy!
Superman doesn't lose his power right away when he's near a red sun. It takes time for him to lose his power & there's been times when Superman literally flew thru red suns. Goku's power are limited & he has to break his limit to get to a higher level. Superman's strength is unlimited. And for Goku to use Instant Transmission he has to lock on somewhere he just can't teleport anywhere. Superman would rip his arms off as soon as he touches him if he wants. Goku can't even breathe in space Lol. Superman would beat Goku every time
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See ur arguments alone is wrong. 1 Goku doesn’t understand Superman’s powers. 2. They made a very good point with the chalking the fight up to 10 minutes. Simply because DC universe doesn’t do Week long fights like DBZ they’re normally pretty quick so yea. 10 minutes is a pretty good time frame. Just face it gOkU ain’t shit. Like fr superman is just a giant walking plot device. Almost as bad as OPM
Except Saitama is atleast entertaining. Superman is as boring as a cardboard box.
@@RenegadesReact you make a good argument lololol
You ain't Watch Dragonball or sum, There Ain't No Weak Long Fights...You Cleary just Don't like Goku or Dragonball 💀
@@powangel1418 I’m clearly being dramatic with the statement.
@@chasepfiffner2925 I don’t think any of them are bad characters I love them all for different reasons. I do think goku die hards are just that die hards
What I've noticed across multiple comments sections is people who think Goku Blck should have won are either not DC fans or have barely any knowledge on the Speedforce. That power alone is so op it makes ANY flash, (Barry, Wally, Thawne) literally whoever practically invincible. Too may comments saying "The only way RF won is cuz he got the ring. That's the only way he'll ever win" blah blah blah yeah thats probably true. But there is NO only or single way for Goku Black to win. It just wouldn't happen in any scenario. This could have been over in the first few seconds. RF could have easily traveled into back in time in the DBZ universe and saw Goku Black getting the ring, learned what it does, ran back to this fight, took it off his finger and dragged his ass in all of about .0002 seconds. But RF is the type toy with his opponent so he entertained it by going back and forth. You can see in the last speedforce sequence when he said enough was enough with this dude.
"EMPTY THREATS TO A LIVING PARADOX!"
*as he's throwing Haymakers while traveling faster than the speed of light.*
It reminds me of Jacksepticeye's slogan during HappyWheels playtime; "SPEED IS KEY!"
Goku And Beerus Rippling The Universe Does Not Put Goku At Universe Level Cause This Was Mostly Due To The Effects Of The God Of Destruction Ki Later Episodes Contradict This!
8:12 They literally already used ssj blue in the second goku v superman fight.
I love DB but I can 100% agree with this. Rational victory for reverse flash
So reverse flash shouldn't have won?
@@abrahamhashimi4747 No
@@supermanprime9596 Why?
@@abrahamhashimi4747 Because Reverse Flash is too OP.
@@supermanprime9596 ok i
3:07 you never read a comic in your life, comic book characters outclass anime characters so many times. you’re talking about instant transmission when most these speedsters literally are faster than the concept of speed and time itself