Why Locomotives Can Pull So Much

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024
  • In today's video, we go over all the things that allow locomotives to pull trains many times their weight.

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  • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
    @Southern_Plains_Railfan  Год назад +70

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    • @rdbchase
      @rdbchase Год назад +2

      "Why [sic] Locomotives Can Pull So Much" -- "How"!!!

    • @thooterhooter
      @thooterhooter Год назад +5

      @@rdbchasebro u good?

    • @rdbchase
      @rdbchase Год назад

      @@thooterhooter It's not enough for me to know the difference -- I want even RUclips posters to!

    • @danborgo
      @danborgo Год назад

      E 0:15 0:15 0:15 eer 0:16 ee

    • @mysticjedi6730
      @mysticjedi6730 Год назад +2

      No offense, but look up the term exponentially.

  • @johnjohnii5849
    @johnjohnii5849 Год назад +2121

    When I was a kid, my grandpa took me to a siding in town where they parked covered hoppers waiting to be loaded with silica. He uncoupled one and released the handbrake before pushing it probably 25ft, then rolled it back by hand. Seeing that at 5 years old, I thought he was like superman or something.

    • @Bananz-for-life-208
      @Bananz-for-life-208 Год назад +87

      Cool but probably illegal

    • @David..
      @David.. Год назад +366

      @@Bananz-for-life-208ohh well. Can’t let the man tell you what to do all the time.

    • @ashevilletrainman6989
      @ashevilletrainman6989 Год назад +13

      @@Bananz-for-life-208it’s a lie cuz you can’t uncouple rail cars if they’re standing still.

    • @bottlekruiser
      @bottlekruiser Год назад +111

      @@ashevilletrainman6989 you cant just drop that and not elaborate

    • @zenjon7892
      @zenjon7892 Год назад +52

      ​@@ashevilletrainman6989unless it's the one on the end

  • @davel4708
    @davel4708 Год назад +281

    I'm led to believe that some subway networks have stations at the crest of a slight incline. This means that the train is effectively using the up hill section before the station to help slow down and the downhill section immediately after the station to speed up. A pretty simple system when you think about it but it must save a lot of energy and brake wear.

    • @xaenon
      @xaenon Год назад +15

      Most subways have traction motors under each car, so the tractive effort is distributed.

    • @nicholaslau3194
      @nicholaslau3194 Год назад +9

      some are even rubber-tired, especially useful for steep grades

    • @weppwebb2885
      @weppwebb2885 Год назад +16

      @@nicholaslau3194 well yeah, by being rubber tired they also loose the advantage of low friction while putting a lot of wear on the road (every train on exactly the same track) and tires. Is a rubber tired train more bumpy than a "normal" one? never been in one, would be interesting.

    • @davel4708
      @davel4708 Год назад +2

      @@nicholaslau3194 Yeah, I think the Paris Metro is like that. Might be wrong though.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott Год назад +2

      That's the situation in Toronto.

  • @Greatdome99
    @Greatdome99 Год назад +374

    Wheel-rail friction is minimal compared to wheel bearing friction. Wheel flange friction on curves can be significant, too.
    Coupler slack also includes coupler-to-coupler (loose fit) slack, most apparent in model trains.
    Locomotive traction control systems actually exceed the theoretical friction limit (mu = ~0.3) by pulsing the traction motors as do your car's anti-lock brakes.

    • @janradtke8318
      @janradtke8318 Год назад +25

      I have not heard about pulsing, but in Europe electrical locomotives use a controlled slipping to achieve optimal traction (in addition to sanding). The wheels turn slightly faster as required for the speed and the traction control system ensures that the slip is in the right range.

    • @1albasim
      @1albasim Год назад

      shut up nigga

    • @philrogers4535
      @philrogers4535 Год назад +1

      @@janradtke8318 Great comment, mate. Does that wear the tracks and wheels out?

    • @barryduff5058
      @barryduff5058 Год назад

      ​@@janradtke8318 i have read that modern AC Diesel electric locos do the same thing.
      Very cool that😀

    • @yo_marc
      @yo_marc Год назад +3

      @@janradtke8318that’s really interesting. Reminds me of how I read that when one of the fastest production motorcycles is at its ~200mph top speed, it’s rear wheel is actually turning at about 10mph faster than that due to slippage as the bike is pushing against wind resistance. It’s not directly related to your example, but still neat to think about.

  • @asds714
    @asds714 Год назад +728

    This answered so many questions! Great explanation of the draft gear. I'm from Colorado, and I always wondered how much weight a train gains in a snowstorm - I'm thinking it has to be significant.

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  Год назад +84

      Thank you! I’m glad you found the video informational. Ya know, that’s a good question, because snow ain’t light. I imagine in a blizzard the train wound gain at least several hundred pounds of weight.

    • @asds714
      @asds714 Год назад +11

      @@Southern_Plains_Railfan
      I would guess in some of the conditions here would easily add a ton per car. See many cars caked with ice

    • @MichaelJohnson-dt8tv
      @MichaelJohnson-dt8tv Год назад +34

      Highly informative! I have been aware of progressive clanging of the couplers as a train goes into motion, since I was a kid. The idea of the effect of overcoming static friction one car at a time never occurred to me. It makes sense though, and your explanation made it easier to grasp the theory. Way Cool! Thank you.

    • @coloradostrong
      @coloradostrong Год назад +8

      @@asds714 We generally pull into a siding before hitting Colorado, and put _snowchains_ on the drive wheels. Never notice the snow.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott Год назад +2

      Back in the 70s, when I was with CN, my office was often in or next to a rail yard. I'd often hear the banging, as a train moved out.

  • @James_Knott
    @James_Knott Год назад +177

    Years ago, I worked for CN and in the mid 70s often rode on freights. One thing I soon found out is the engineer didn't want to stop the train, if he didn't have to. So, he'd bring it down dead slow, allowing me to hop on or off. If I had equipment to carry, I'd have to space it out alongside the track and hand it up, a piece at a time, to a crew member.
    BTW, one detail about starting a slack trains, the more cars that are moving, the more momentum that can be used to move more cars.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott Год назад +15

      @@anon_148 Canadian National Railway. Back then, I was a technician for CN Telecommunications. I worked on systems for both the railway and external customers. In the mid 70s, I was based in Capreol, Ontario (near Sudbury), which is on the main line between Toronto & Montreal and Vancouver. The track between Capreol and Armstrong (North of Thunder Bay) was pretty much in the middle of nowhere, in Northern Ontario. This meant if I had work to do, anywhere along that stretch of track, I had to go by train. While there was passenger service, there were a lot more freights, so I often rode them.

    • @kenadams2261
      @kenadams2261 Год назад

      @@James_Knott That's really cool!

    • @mikehunt3420
      @mikehunt3420 Год назад

      @@James_Knottsounds like a hell of a job

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott Год назад +1

      @@mikehunt3420 There was also a lot of killing time, waiting for the next train. On the other hand, there were times I was sitting in the club car, having a beer, while making time & a half! 🙂

    • @manavshah8335
      @manavshah8335 Год назад

      @@James_Knott Damn thats really cool. i love the railways too, and the enggineering behind them. Would be cool if you shared some stories from your career. Cheers!

  • @doughuffman5790
    @doughuffman5790 Год назад +14

    I’m old. Trained in physics. I never knew before the essential function of the Draft Gear. Thank you very much. Thank’s for the sweet Southeron accent! God Bless y’all.

  • @kens.3729
    @kens.3729 2 года назад +193

    Never realized the friction point between the train wheel and the rail is only the size of a dime. Sand and traction motors are huge for locomotives to move. Thanks! 👍

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  2 года назад +15

      Yeah, there’s a lot of neat stuff that goes on with trains, and everything feels oversized. You’re welcome!

    • @lim-dulspaladin50
      @lim-dulspaladin50 Год назад

      I was a Hostler for the Rio Grande before the UP merger. We had a GE rep come in and tell us how the new GE AC locomotive could pull just as well with 5 traction motors as it did with 6.
      I replied that the maximum point of traction is the instant before slip. If you remove 1 motor you remove 1/6th of the contact points. The rest is either not pulling at the max or the extra #6 motor is useless.
      I then laid 6 dimes down on the table (representing 1 truck) and took away two to demonstrate how his promotional materials didn't jive with reality 😁

    • @arda_ufukk
      @arda_ufukk Год назад +6

      Friction doesn't actually depend on the contact area. The reason for the low friction coefficient is material and the structure.

    • @bensonboys6609
      @bensonboys6609 Год назад +4

      ⁠@@arda_ufukkyeah, I think there is a lot of confusion surrounding friction. Friction is completely independent of contact patch f=uN. Also, in the context of wheels, friction/traction does not equal rolling resistance. You can have infinite friction/no slipping between the wheel and the ground, but if the bearings are frictionless than the system is frictionless. Also, especially with with pneumatic tires, friction can arise from the tire deforming as it rolls. If the tire doesn’t spring back with same energy it took to deform the tire, that energy is taken from the vehicle’s momentum and lost to heat, even when no sliding occurred with the ground. This is partly why trains are so efficient, steel doesn’t deform much, but when it does, it returns almost all of the energy back into the rebound.

  • @doxielain2231
    @doxielain2231 Год назад +21

    I used to be a freight hopping traveling punk, and spent many an hour listening to cars shuffle around in the yard. I had no idea that slack was a design feature, not a bug. Thanks!

  • @Peasmouldia
    @Peasmouldia Год назад +6

    Rolling resistance and friction are related, but not the same. Inertia is a factor even in a zero friction situation.
    Issac Newton was yer man were laws of motion are concerned..
    Thanks and blessings brother.

  • @wayneparker9331
    @wayneparker9331 Год назад +95

    This was a very clear and concise explanation of how locomotives can move so much weight. Thank you for taking the time to explain the physics and engineering behind locomotives. 👏👏👏

  • @DEtchells
    @DEtchells Год назад +13

    That’s so interesting about the slack being needed for the loco to start the train - it makes total sense but never occurred to me as a deliberate design choice.

  • @cxmx3295
    @cxmx3295 2 года назад +11

    I was starting to get worried because you haven’t been uploading for two weeks so I’m glad you uploaded and I am glad your ok.

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  2 года назад +3

      No need to worry about me, I just lost some footage and had to start from scratch a little late in the week. Thank you for being concerned, though.

  • @tahititoutou3802
    @tahititoutou3802 Год назад +121

    Thanks for this video. I've learned something.
    However, I suggest you check the true meaning of the word "exponentially" in a dictionary ; the friction and inertia of a train as you add cars is not exponential, but additive. If it was exponential, event the longest draft gears would be useless past 5 or 10 cars, even with DPUs.

    • @schoolssection
      @schoolssection Год назад +6

      Yes indeed. Americans tend to be weak with numbers. "decimate" and "order of magnitude" are examples.

    • @Parents_of_Twins
      @Parents_of_Twins Год назад +16

      @@schoolssection Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that people in general have a tendency to utilize some words incorrectly not just Americans. Decimate is 1/10 destroyed and order of magnitude is generally the power of 10, at least as a scientist that's how I have heard it used most frequently.

    • @ctrlaltdebug
      @ctrlaltdebug Год назад +8

      I suppose they are using hyperbole.

    • @ivok9846
      @ivok9846 Год назад +1

      are you sure static friction of 100 cars is exactly equivalent to 100 times one car?
      somehow i would expect more....much more.
      and that's probably because adding cars is adding both weight (of cars) and friction(of increased number of wheels).
      so i wouldn't expect linear progression.

    • @OneWheelGuy1
      @OneWheelGuy1 Год назад +15

      @@ivok9846 I came here to make exactly the same point about the misuse of "exponentially". Exponentially would mean that (for example) one car doubles the static friction, the next one doubles it again, and so on, so that 10 cars would have 1,024 times as much friction.
      And yes, I'm pretty sure that the static friction is simply additive. Each car adds the same amount of weight and the same amount of wheels, and they are independent - the weight of one car doesn't increase the static friction of nearby cars.

  • @nicholastrainssd75m45
    @nicholastrainssd75m45 Год назад +53

    I remember railfanning in a train yard once and I was amazed at how many cars one GP38 could handle on it’s own even the little engines are very strong.

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  Год назад +5

      Yeah, I’ve seen an SD40-2 pull a mile long train all be itself, with no brakes on the cars.

    • @WTC2014
      @WTC2014 Год назад +1

      Here at Conrail we do 100+ buckets with one 6 axle all the time. Shoving into the port

    • @deviousdieselqc
      @deviousdieselqc Год назад +2

      Little engines can do big things ;)

    • @MystiCmeshtool
      @MystiCmeshtool 7 месяцев назад

      4 axle locomotives are also strong too yk. Conrail and alot of bunch of other railroads made 4 axle locomotives lead mainline trains and even intermodal trains until 6 axle widecabs replaced them.

  • @haulem
    @haulem Год назад +9

    Learned something today. The draft gear explanation makes a lot of sense. Will check out more of your videos.

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  Год назад

      Thank you, I’m glad you found the video informative! I hope you find some of my other videos just as informative as well.

  • @davidcoombs1874
    @davidcoombs1874 Год назад +7

    Thought you’d find this funny. I’m an engineer for BNSF. I’m literally sitting at work right now, stopped with my train. Feet kicked up on the dash waiting for lights to pull. I have a 20,000 ton coal load. I never really knew how these things can pull as much as they do but thanks for clearing that up lol. This particular unit is an AC4400CW and as the name implies, 4400 hp. Still it’s pretty impressive that it can pull all this weight even up hill.

    • @roadtoad7704
      @roadtoad7704 Год назад +2

      Hello. I'll try to be quick. There's a CSX siding behind my house here in Central Alabama. Many southbound coal trains heading to Mobile. I was able to talk shortly to the stopped engineer one time. He said he had 16,000 T behind him with no helper in the consist! 🤯 With you being with BNSF you may be familiar with the old Memphis Frisco Bridge, in operation for 130 years! And 15,000 T BNSF coal trains STILL use it! Being an OTR trucker, I've passed it many times on the I 55 interstate bridge. I'm always stunned that the bridge can still handle it. (So much for "keeping it short")

    • @davidcoombs1874
      @davidcoombs1874 Год назад +1

      @@roadtoad7704 I actually worked as a conductor at CSX for 10 years before moving to NE for a promotion. I’ve only been an engineer for two years now but it’s definitely been a fun experience so far!!

  • @Steezicus
    @Steezicus Год назад +5

    I was an engineer for a long time and we would never use the slack to overcome the weight to get started on steep hills. Basically anything with an incline we would would stop with all the slack stretched out. The reason being all that slack running out as you start to pull will break a knuckle or drawbar.
    So in theory the draft gear could help with that, but the knuckles and drawbars are not built to handle that. Draft gears are there to smooth out the slack action.

    • @TheHighborn
      @TheHighborn Год назад

      so, what do you do in that case? I know some extremely long rains can have 2-3 engine carts running, but how does that work? you flip them on one after the other when the "slack" comes to that part of the train?

    • @Steezicus
      @Steezicus Год назад +2

      @@TheHighborn so we apply air while all the motors are powered up to stop and that keeps it mostly stretched out (if there are DPU's there will be a little slack).
      Once we go to start on a hill you will power up everything to about 4-7 throttle depending on the weight and the hill. Once all the locomotives are loaded up we release the airbrakes and maybe hold the independent a little to keep from slipping.
      This minimizes any slack being allowed to form between the cars, but yes those DPU's that are pushing will create a little slack and you just have to be very careful to not release your air until ALL your motors are fully spooled up.

    • @TheHighborn
      @TheHighborn Год назад +1

      @@Steezicus that was informative. Thanks

    • @alexander1485
      @alexander1485 Год назад

      we do it here for crossings, our territory here is mostly flat with a few dips and one "step" hill (step on each side) but we have a shit ton of crossings per territory, almost double per mileage.

    • @Steezicus
      @Steezicus Год назад +1

      @@alexander1485 yeah we stop bunch up on flats for signal and crossings all the time. But your territory does not have any real grade it sounds like. The first thing you learn as an engineer when you start running trains is to always stopped stretched basically on any hill or grade. This goes for 150 unit coal trains and any length intermodal, etc.
      If you have to pull hard to start you simply cannot time it to pull out the slack smoothly as the air releases. Every train releases at different speeds and it even varies with temperature.

  • @FlatEarthMath
    @FlatEarthMath Год назад +14

    Nice wipe at 3:23 :-) This video is excellent. I'd add a few things: the very low grades that trains travel over, so that changes in gravitational potential energy is minimized. With regards to static friction, it seems you're mixing that concept with momentum. Technically the "static friction" that must be overcome is in the bearings of a train's wheels, since the wheels themselves (should) never slide on the rails. So when starting a train, momentum is the key variable (because the static friction in train bearings is very low). But the draft gear aspect was fascinating! I always assumed there was just slack between the couplers. One last point: the old fashioned steam engines and modern electric motors have one thing in common: efficiency at any RPM. Internal combustion engines do not have such efficiency. Thus a modern miracle was born: the diesel-electric. :-) Keep up the good work!

    • @wildwizardplanet
      @wildwizardplanet Год назад +1

      Yes he indeed mixed up concepts of inertia and static friction. Static friction between rail and wheels help the wheels to turn instead of sliding. Sliding will then produce kinetic friction. So static friction is good and don't need to be overcome and as said in video it is already quite small due to small contact area. What engines need to overcome is INERTIA.

    • @FlatEarthMath
      @FlatEarthMath Год назад

      @@wildwizardplanet Excellent, and thanks for the details! 🙂 One minor point: static friction is very large, not small due to the psi of the contact surface. A modern diesel electric locomotive has 12 drive wheels, each with a contact surface the size of a dime. The locomotive's 430,000 lb weight is spread over a small area. The huge pressure gives a healthy amount of static friction.

    • @wildwizardplanet
      @wildwizardplanet Год назад +2

      @@FlatEarthMath yes exactly what I meant to say is small area of contact. Of course static friction has to be sufficient and in these types of trains actually static friction of locomotives is the one that matters because only its wheels have traction motors. So they must have enough static friction to overcome inertia of whole train or they will slip. In fact they add extra weight to locomotives to achieve sufficient static friction.

    • @FlatEarthMath
      @FlatEarthMath Год назад

      @@wildwizardplanet Yes, exactly. I studied engineering in college, and we went through all the "coefficient of static friction" problems the long way. I've often marvelled at the fact that the coefficient of friction of polished steel on polished steel is quite low. But those locomotives are beasts! 🙂

  • @BritishBeachcomber
    @BritishBeachcomber Год назад +45

    The first freight wagons on British railways were limited to 14 tons because they used a horse to move them about in the freight yard and that's how much a horse can pull

  • @laura-ann.0726
    @laura-ann.0726 Год назад +2

    I had never heard of draft gear in rail car couplers. Learn something new every day! Great video, thanks!

  • @jamesquinn5226
    @jamesquinn5226 Год назад +4

    What about inertia and the rolling friction of the wheel bearings?

  • @Mullheimer
    @Mullheimer Год назад +2

    Physics teacher from the Netherlands here - loved it, gonne show students.

  •  Год назад +4

    This is also a great explanation why it is so hard to start uphill. If you are uphill, there is no slack as the carts are trying to roll back. Unless you have fancy breaking system that would prevent them rolling when you start accelerating of course.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Год назад

      On North American locomotives and older euro locos (ones with lapped brakes) it's normal to start applying power as the brakes are releasing. That way you have torque applied to the wheels as the brakes come off to prevent rollback. Modern Euro locomotives simply don't release the brakes until you apply power.

  • @trialsted
    @trialsted Год назад +6

    Low rolling resistance not low friction. The friction coefficient of steel on steel can actually quite high

    • @mathemitelmar5546
      @mathemitelmar5546 Год назад

      For the static case we first have to overcome static friction, after the initial movement its rolling resistance

    • @isurukarunaratna440
      @isurukarunaratna440 Год назад

      @@mathemitelmar5546if there isn’t any static friction the wheel would be slipping. So it is not overcoming the static friction but it takes the help of the static friction to accelerate.

  • @MegaMGstudios
    @MegaMGstudios 9 месяцев назад +1

    When I was little I was completely obsessed with trains. Guess it never truly faded.

  • @gordonohallmhurain
    @gordonohallmhurain Год назад

    Love the combination of your sincere narration and the jazz trio. Feels like I should be preparing some red the next time I learn about trains on this channel!

  • @dangeary2134
    @dangeary2134 Год назад +2

    For a bit of reference, I learned this particular figure when I was a kid in sixth grade!
    Steel wheel on steel rail, it takes 12 lbs of effort to start it rolling.
    Only 9 lbs is needed to keep it moving.
    Even though the whelk and surface are more or less solid, the minor distortion of even hardened steel means the wheel is always rolling up the slightest of inclines.
    MR/Trains magazine own a boxcar that is leased to some railroad or other.
    As an April Fool’s article, they decided to do an evaluation of it, the same as they would a scale model.
    By modeling standards, it was way to light. ( go figure!! )
    Moving the car took a bit of effort, but not overly so.
    However, STOPPING it became the larger issue!
    Even something done in jest can teach volumes!!!

    • @chriscarter7182
      @chriscarter7182 Год назад

      This can be easily demonstrated! "The friction of rest is always greater than the friction of motion"! Get a length of a smooth surface of your choosing. Place an object of your choosing on one end and then slowly raise that end until the object starts to move down. When your object starts moving, you will be able to slightly lower your smooth surface and the object will continue sliding down. Try it, it works.

  • @MottyGlix
    @MottyGlix Год назад +11

    It's not really the static friction. The use of roller bearings in the axles of all the rail cars minimizes that to irrelevance. It's the 𝘮𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘶𝘮 . The momentum of the unmoving cars is what makes the cars "want" to stay still, and what the locomotive is there to change. One rail car at a time, the locomotive is changing their momentum from zero velocity momentum to a moving velocity momentum, and *that's* when the train is put into motion.

    • @insylem
      @insylem Год назад +2

      Came to make a similar comment.

    • @ShamoKwok
      @ShamoKwok Год назад

      It is the inertia of the train that causes it to not want to accelerate(move), not momentum.
      Well change in momentum still requires a force, F=ma=(mv-mu)/t.

  • @davidintokyo
    @davidintokyo Год назад +1

    Nicely done! I figured that there would be enough slack without a specific slack-providing mechanism, but, nope, I figured wrong. Thanks for setting me straight.

  • @AZqyc
    @AZqyc 2 года назад +5

    Very informative, clear, concise! Thanks for sharing. [Greetings from Tucson.]

  • @birdsoup777
    @birdsoup777 Год назад

    Best video I have seen in a long time. Draft gear: let me get going from a dead stop before I start pulling you.

  • @LTVoyager
    @LTVoyager Год назад +5

    Wow, I’ve never heard static friction and exponential used improperly do many times in so little time.

  • @geoffreywilliams9324
    @geoffreywilliams9324 8 месяцев назад

    Great explanation of something that I had overlooked ie the train is almost like a long spring as it gradually stretches and finally takes full load . .

  • @mugurdobre4624
    @mugurdobre4624 Год назад +2

    ...one small detail. Friction is independent on contact area. SO no mater if thet area is like a dime, or a football field. The friction would be the same. :)

  • @k0rc
    @k0rc Год назад

    What I learned in this video. . . 1) locomotive wheel sanders, 2) overcoming static friction via coupler design, 3) close to a half million pounds of engine weight, 4) dime sized surface area between wheel and rail. Thank you for this video!

  • @JRGio
    @JRGio Год назад

    I have loved trains since I was a kid but I have never found a diagram or video or any type of media that illustrates how they really work in the way you described. Thank you.

  • @monkeyman1282
    @monkeyman1282 Год назад

    I was just thinking about this topic yesterday and lo and behold, youtube recommends this video. Fantastic explanation!

  • @1over137
    @1over137 Год назад +1

    A wheel on a track is always stationary. So the static friction hypothesis is not all that's going on. There is static friction in all the bearings and linkages resisting the axles from starting to rotate, but then again the contact points in correctly installed bearings should also be stationary at their points of contact.

  • @fishbarbeque8540
    @fishbarbeque8540 Год назад

    GREAT VIDEO!!!
    Absolutely LOVe the chill non contrived style.

  • @crusherbmx
    @crusherbmx Год назад +1

    Well, that was interesting, and explained a lot! I work beside a large railyard, the sound of the draft gears after a car is coupled to a train is pretty cool, but until now I didn't know what they were called and what the exact purpose was.

  • @tannerhawes6890
    @tannerhawes6890 Год назад

    I think I'm in your intro sequence! The algorithm randomly showed me this video. I was in Salina, KS (where I attended a Kansas State satellite campus) and I think that's me with the white hat on the far right watching Big Boy depart! I've never seen myself in a random video before!

  • @terryrogers6232
    @terryrogers6232 Год назад +2

    I would imagine the draft gear, coupler slack, would be more effective at incrementally dealing with delta mv or change in momentum.

  • @semareva3717
    @semareva3717 Год назад

    Thanks for the video Mr. That was really cool I walk over a railroad crossing a lot throughout my day and I didn't know anything about slack
    Thanks.

  • @ancientcoconut
    @ancientcoconut Год назад

    As a Canadian, who speaks in a hard, flat English accent, it’s a pleasure to hear that soft Southern narration.

  • @BobSmith-mj7ik
    @BobSmith-mj7ik Год назад +2

    Thanks for explaining that. I always wondered how trains got moving from a standstill.

  • @stevewaclo167
    @stevewaclo167 Год назад

    Growing up near the tracks in Johnstown PA in the early ‘50s, I remember the days of long trains starting up before the introduction of draft gears. I may be wrong, but I believe the engineers first backed up the cars, removing all slack at the couplers. Then they reversed the process, and started to pull, with a resulting “bang, bang, bang” as each successive car came under tension.

  • @devoncantrell3311
    @devoncantrell3311 9 часов назад

    I always assumed the gap in couplers was them allowing certain parts to wear out before others. Like if they only ever had to replace a certain pin that held it in place they could save a ton of money.
    Now that you explain it this way that makes so much sense. The momentum of the cars already moving would help the whole train get started too.

  • @kiefershanks4172
    @kiefershanks4172 Год назад

    Never thought about the draft gear being a major reason trains can move at all. Always thought it was strictly a damper system. Absolutely brilliant...

  • @howebrad4601
    @howebrad4601 Год назад +1

    Thanks for explaining this. Always wondered about this. I thought the slack was just due to poor machining tolerances in the couplers! Now I know it's on purpose.

  • @EchoJulez
    @EchoJulez Год назад

    Awesome! I found this video while researching that each persons roll is on the train. Conductor, engineer, etc.

  • @-IE_it_yourself
    @-IE_it_yourself Год назад +3

    video idea: i would love to see some videos on the bearings, breaks and clutch systems on trains.
    and thanks for this one, draft clutches are terrifying.

  • @GregConquest
    @GregConquest Год назад

    I did not think I would learn anything new from this video; I just like trains. But that draft gear effect:? Wow! That makes perfect sense, and I had never thought it was important.

  • @johnjkiwi7818
    @johnjkiwi7818 Год назад +18

    Great informative video. I have never seen a video that explains such a complex science
    so simply to a layman.
    Also I love the friendly, folksy southern drawl.
    😄

  • @rajbagwe3732
    @rajbagwe3732 Год назад +2

    Shouldn't the area of contact between the rails and the cars be inconsequential? I learnt in physics class that friction only depends on the Normal force and the nature of substances, not the area. Great video btw, I loved it!!!

    • @isurukarunaratna440
      @isurukarunaratna440 Год назад

      Yes, that’s what I’m thinking too.

    • @mathemitelmar5546
      @mathemitelmar5546 Год назад

      Yeah this is what they teach you in high school/ 1st year university. But friction is actually a much more complicated subject and is not yet totally understood by today's engineers. But we know as a fact that friction is actually dependent on surface area because in the real world no perfectly smooth surface with a magical frictional force exists

    • @rajbagwe3732
      @rajbagwe3732 Год назад

      @@mathemitelmar5546 oooHhhhh interesting

  • @canalluzdivina2424
    @canalluzdivina2424 Год назад +2

    3:29' southern gem.

  • @danparker8254
    @danparker8254 Год назад +1

    The draft gear also helps build momentum as the train advances.

  • @dj196301
    @dj196301 Год назад +1

    This is a top-notch video. Well thought-out and executed.

  • @Minorock93
    @Minorock93 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing this valuable knowledge, i've been living near a train station for 30 years and I just understood how it can pull this much weight, I've always thought because it's has a powerful diesel engine with so much torque but it's far more than that, especially the draft gears, simple concept yet it's a game changer

  • @tilerman
    @tilerman Год назад +2

    Now this was a fascinating video and answered so many questions, especially the draft gear, you described it perfectly. But what if the whole length of the train is on an incline, would i be correct in saying that in that case there would be no slack as the train would be 'stretched'? Really hope that's not a dumb question as i do find this fascinating. Great video, cheers.

  • @Evaldo_Souza
    @Evaldo_Souza Год назад

    Love the vid! I'm from Brazil, and always wandered why there aren't many trains here. The terrain full of hills explains why trains don't work so well here

  • @tkzsfen
    @tkzsfen Год назад

    The draft gear is an amazing idea, so simple, yet so efficient!

  • @gregrowe1168
    @gregrowe1168 11 месяцев назад

    Basically, because of the slack in the couplers, at startup you’re not actually pulling all of them at once. You move a single car, then the next one moves and so on. By the time the load gets heavy, the train is already in motion and you have momentum helping you keep it moving. It actually helps to reduce the load each coupler has as well. If they didn’t operate like that, the thousands of tons of pulling force would snap them like toothpicks.

  • @toddodell70
    @toddodell70 Год назад

    Thanks. I've known of the slack for a long time but never thought of how that aids the engines.

  • @ashwanishahrawat4607
    @ashwanishahrawat4607 Год назад

    What a great Mechanism to solve it. Thanks for educating me.

  • @joshbobst1629
    @joshbobst1629 Год назад

    Very concise and accurate. And what a mellifluous voice to explicate it.

  • @juliestevens6931
    @juliestevens6931 Год назад

    Thank you. I always wondered how they got started pulling all those loaded cars. I have train tracks running behind my apt. complex. Some are a couple of hundred cars long loaded with coal, tankers and/or containers.

  • @robertviragh6527
    @robertviragh6527 Год назад

    Excellent video about how trains work! Long lines of passenger cars or freight moving across the horizon are wonders to behold and now you know the secret.
    Note: if the locomotive is accidentally pulling on air due to a “lack of transfer”, i.e. it ain’t hooked up, then there is no way for the rest of the freight to catch up to the runaway train belching its own power and not pulling any weight.
    Some people incorrectly think there must be some kind of backup power plant in the rear or maybe hidden partway back mixed in with the freight so that if the workers do not actually hook up the freight to the engine at the at the front the rest of the freight will grow legs and run and catch up, pushing the freight up to speed to catch up with the runaway train.
    Be honest, how many of you thought that freight can just start moving by itself, engine or no engine! Or maybe each freight car has its own low power engine like a distributed network. Nope! It’s all at the front.
    So if it isn’t hooked up the engine has to stop, go back, get hooked up and then go on.
    Hopefully that doesn’t happen too late, any conductor that drives an empty train for miles before realizing it had to back up and hook up to the freight has eventually slapped themselves in the forehead and said “Oh. Right. How could I forget”, before missing every scheduled stop.
    It is a lesson every conductor learns just once.

  • @ddmarty
    @ddmarty Год назад +1

    Thank you so much. I've never heard it explained. Thanks for not assuming your whole audience knows physics. Very well done. I've wondered ever since I was a kid how a train starts from a dead stop and pulls so much weight. I also heard a train engine has a max RPM of 900. Is that true?

  • @ArmageddonIsHere
    @ArmageddonIsHere Год назад

    Great presentation! And I learned something new: that draft gears in the couplers actually get the wagons to start moving more easily.
    Smart thinking by whoever invented it!

  • @sywtf4
    @sywtf4 Год назад +5

    You would make a great physics teacher. Very relatable, understandable, and scientific under the hood. I always used the frictional stick-slip analogy like a bow on a violin string. Grab & release. Nice work.

  • @toolsteel8482
    @toolsteel8482 Год назад +3

    Timken ran a promotional film in the 1930’s where four young ladies pulled a large locomotive because of precision bearings demonstrating the rolling efficiency of train wheels.

    • @Greatdome99
      @Greatdome99 Год назад

      Don't forget body builder Charles Atlas towing a PRR Broadway Limited observation car in the late 1930s!

  • @bwhog
    @bwhog 10 месяцев назад

    Wow, never knew about draft gears. I just thought that was the normal play in the connection. Never realized it was intentional! Neat!

  • @BPJJohn
    @BPJJohn Год назад +2

    Also sophisticated traction control for motors aids in pulling ability of locos today.

  • @AsianHemaniVlogs
    @AsianHemaniVlogs Год назад

    04:20 I always heard that sound when Freight train starts moving...now I know the reason why.

  • @Happy_Shopper
    @Happy_Shopper Год назад

    I'm not overly interested in trains but this was a really concise and well put together video. Thanks

  • @ronaldviens7862
    @ronaldviens7862 Год назад

    Watching a roundhouse in action in a busy yard was like poetry in motion when I was a kid.

  • @Hdudjfjdiduegsgxbxjcifirhwbagd
    @Hdudjfjdiduegsgxbxjcifirhwbagd Год назад +1

    You answered the exact question that was burning in my mind.

  • @Bruno-G
    @Bruno-G Год назад

    The more i learn about trains, the more i love them. Seriously, trains are one of the most important inventions ever.

  • @edwelndiobel1567
    @edwelndiobel1567 Год назад +1

    Wow well done. I understand completely now. You are a good instructor.

  • @RyanNoseBest
    @RyanNoseBest Год назад

    Im not a train enthusiast; just a curious peruser. Had no idea about the draft gear system and that being the reason trains can pull so much weight. Thank you internet informer :D

  • @calvinnickel9995
    @calvinnickel9995 Год назад +1

    Wow. So cool. I always thought that “slack” was just part of the couplers.
    It also makes the scene in the new Mission Impossible movie make more sense. They are on a luxury train that uses hooks in combination with a screw to tighten them. It seemed awfully old fashioned and unsafe compared to a modern automatic coupler.. but a heritage train is likely grandfathered in and since comfort is prioritized, they would want tight connections between cars. The light weight and low number of passenger cars would make static friction less of a concern.

    • @fivish
      @fivish Год назад

      But the links were not strong enough to take the weight of a few carriages.

  • @tdcmachine
    @tdcmachine Год назад

    Years ago I remember watching trains start from a dead stop and hearing the clang of each draft coupler as the train stretched out. Now I don't seem to hear that so much, the newer draft gears must have some sort of buffer to quite the action.

  • @ramiusramius5578
    @ramiusramius5578 Год назад

    Great video! Good information and well presented. Now I can share this with friends instead of trying to explain it myself. Many thanks.

  • @FaceInTheCrowd
    @FaceInTheCrowd Год назад

    A well presented video, Sir. Thank you for the education.
    I always thought the wagons/carriages were connected by sprung links for less violent stops and starts. But the concept of progressive loading of the loco to get the whole train moving never occured to me.
    Clever engineering well explained.

  • @diogeneslantern18
    @diogeneslantern18 Год назад +1

    I never cared about trains but this has gotten me interested!

  • @paralegalty
    @paralegalty 6 месяцев назад +1

    Nice explanation for something I have wondered about. Thank You

  • @umarhali7869
    @umarhali7869 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the video. Loved it 👍🏿. Fascinated by engineering and big stuffs...

  • @tuhinchowdhury5260
    @tuhinchowdhury5260 Год назад

    I always used to think, why train couplers look so loose, every time it starts moving, makes a series of banging noises (like small bombs). But now I got it why. Thanks

  • @realcdcruze3558
    @realcdcruze3558 Год назад

    Thanks for this. Never knew about a draft gear until today.

  • @x-techgaming
    @x-techgaming Год назад +1

    Very cool. I wish trains still existed today. Time goes by so dang fast...

    • @Southern_Plains_Railfan
      @Southern_Plains_Railfan  Год назад

      Yeah, too bad all the trains caught rabies and died. Kinda flooded the scrap metal market too... but hey, at least the price of coppers gone down!

  • @MrBen527
    @MrBen527 Год назад

    Wow! I never knew of the "draft gear". Very cool. Thanks!

  • @sebastienlemay6120
    @sebastienlemay6120 Год назад

    Well made video. Straight to the point. I learned interesting concepts.

  • @ryleymclean313
    @ryleymclean313 Год назад

    What is the friction like between the wheels and the bogies (also called trucks) on the sets? Using something aviation grade like Grease 33 could potentially cut fuel use by extreme margins if more of that friction was to be eliminated in my opinion. Or perhaps modify these higher grade of lubricants to be only for rail cars and locomotives so that it’s cost to savings ratio is very beneficial since it wouldn’t require any certification which make up the bulk cost of these aviation grade resources

  • @JohnMatthew1
    @JohnMatthew1 Год назад

    What a great video, thank you. I don't know of anyone who doesn't love a train going by.

  • @John-jy4dj
    @John-jy4dj Год назад

    For traction motors, is the inside Electromagnetic "arrangement" already rotating, before the wheels start turning? Are they called traction motors because of a somewhat different design than a regular electric motor? Thanks for your informative videos

    • @Santibag
      @Santibag Год назад +1

      Nah, that's just a purpose name. It's still normal electric motor. It's used for traction, hence "traction motor". When it's doing braking, you could also call it a "brake motor"(if you don't know, yes, diesel-electric locomotives also have electric brakes; but they just waste energy like friction brakes, because of nowhere to dump energy).

    • @MrGlenferd
      @MrGlenferd Год назад +1

      The motor is geared directly to the axle. At CC we had 2 different ratios. One for passenger and one for freight trains. The trains have friction brakes and many locomotives also have dynamic brakes which use 5:15 the traction motors as generators that send the power to resistor banks at the top which dissipate it as heat to help slow down the train.

  • @ddburdette
    @ddburdette Год назад +19

    I question whether locomotives are pulling loads that are “exponentially heavier” than themselves. That would mean the addition of one car would square the weight pulled and a third car would cube the weight pulled and so forth.

    • @langdons2848
      @langdons2848 Год назад +2

      Calling the load “an order of magnitude or more heavier than themselves” would likely be a better description.

    • @ApexPredatorChrisHansen
      @ApexPredatorChrisHansen Год назад +1

      He's not saying each car is exponentially heavier, literally. The total load some trains pull when all cars are moving is exponentially heavier.

  • @barryj388
    @barryj388 Год назад

    I remember seeing specification sheets for various locomotives that listed things like the weight of the locomotive, horsepower, number of traction motors and gave a figure for something called "tractive force."

    • @MikeV8652
      @MikeV8652 Год назад

      Yes, each segment of rail line is also rated in each direction for how many horsepower are required per ton, taking into consideration the grades and curves present on it. This has all been figured out since the days of steam, and modern computers take it into consideration when planning the make-up of trains.

  • @aqueousone
    @aqueousone 11 месяцев назад

    I have to believe that the resistance felt in getting a stationary rail car to start moving has a lot more to do with the static friction of the wheel bearings than it does with contact area of the wheel and the rail.

  • @JohnGaylard-h8u
    @JohnGaylard-h8u Год назад +2

    Should also mention Rolling resistance and inertia.
    Friction between wheel and rail , or tyre and the road is required to start move and stop. Otherwise wheels would just spin slip under acceleration and slide skid under braking. Rolling resistance is how hard is to rotate a wheel.
    The biggest difference between a train wheel and a truck tyre is rolling resistance, due to the amount of flexing and distortion of a rubber tyre.
    The example of pushing the coffee machine , resistance to motion is friction . Train cars have wheels.. Friction between wheel and rail creates turning motion , not sliding motion.There is friction in the bearings , the resistance to train cars moving is inertia..