the last question on my precalculus test

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  • Here's the last question on a precalculus test I gave out this week. I asked the students to find the inverse of a rational function. In order to make this more fun, I gave them an involutory function. That is, the inverse function is actually the same as the original, f^-1(x)=f(x) or f(f(x))=x. Some students noticed the answer and told me it was a tricky question. #math #precalculus #blackpenredpen
    Read more on involutory functions: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involut...)
    0:00 how I have fun when I teach math classes
    0:33 the precalculus way to find the inverse of a function
    3:28 finding the involution for rational functions
    13:21 a much better way!
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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  Год назад +27

    Watch this next: the last question on my calc 2 final: ruclips.net/video/PVD9hfVz6e8/видео.html

  • @AT-zr9tv
    @AT-zr9tv Год назад +95

    I really enjoy when a calculus exercise is given a geometric context that makes the answer obvious. This was elegant, fun to watch.

  • @Sphinxycatto
    @Sphinxycatto Год назад +150

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      @Sphinxycatto Год назад +2

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    • @extreme4180
      @extreme4180 Год назад +1

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      @Sphinxycatto Год назад +1

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  • @tobybartels8426
    @tobybartels8426 Год назад +8

    The c = 0 case gives you the linear involutions: f(x) = B − x and (when also d = 0) f(x) = x.

  • @idonthaveusername9907
    @idonthaveusername9907 Год назад +2

    easily one of my most favourite channels ever! this guy explains so well

  • @josephparrish7625
    @josephparrish7625 Год назад +1

    I love watching you teach!!!

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam Год назад +22

    How fun!! I love fixed points! 😁

    • @infernape716
      @infernape716 Год назад +1

      ok

    • @The-Devils-Advocate
      @The-Devils-Advocate Год назад

      What is a fixed point?

    • @pwmiles56
      @pwmiles56 Год назад +2

      @@The-Devils-Advocate A fixed point is a point which maps to itself under the given rational function.
      (ax + b) / (cx + d) = x
      Multiplying out
      ax + b = cx^2 + dx
      Make a quadratic in x
      cx^2 + (d - a)x - b = 0
      x = (a - d +/- sqrt((a - d)^2 + 4bc))/(2c)
      So in general there are two fixed points. However, it can happen that the fixed points are not real. As an example: take
      f(x) = 1/x
      We have a=0, b=1, c=1, d = 0
      The fixed points are
      x = +/- sqrt(4)/2
      x = +/- 1
      This is called the hyperbolic case. But if
      f(x) = -1/x
      then a=0, b=1, c=-1, d=0
      x = +/- sqrt(-4)/2
      x = +/- i
      This is called the elliptic case

    • @The-Devils-Advocate
      @The-Devils-Advocate Год назад +1

      @@pwmiles56 ah, thanks/

    • @aaron9262
      @aaron9262 Год назад

      nice

  • @fizixx
    @fizixx Год назад +7

    Great vid! I've not heard of the Involution function before. It's quite fascinating and will have to do some reading. Thanks BPRP!

  • @lawrencejelsma8118
    @lawrencejelsma8118 Год назад +26

    On the mathematics of translational, rotational and mirror images you were interestingly getting into showing that the y= f(x) = (1)(x) and y= f(-x) = g(x) = k/x has g(x) a mirror image over f(x). These are really important in vector space mathematics where we define rotational and translational matrices to change a matrix in vector space. Video game designers as well as engineering projects rely on defining those matrices.

  • @topolojack
    @topolojack Год назад +2

    we love a fractional linear transformation! i kept wondering if you were going to mention PSL(2) or the hyperbolic plane at any point :)

  • @guilhermerocha2832
    @guilhermerocha2832 Год назад

    Wow this is so cool. Sugestion: do another video on other types of involution functions

  • @anuragmahajan5919
    @anuragmahajan5919 Год назад

    Thanks for the explanation!

  • @goodguyamr6996
    @goodguyamr6996 Год назад +7

    I can already tell this man's personality is immaculate by watching his videos

  • @alanaduarte_
    @alanaduarte_ 11 месяцев назад

    Watching this during summer it’s very entertaining!!! 😊😊

  • @Ninja20704
    @Ninja20704 Год назад +24

    I also had questions like this in my homework and tests. They called them self-inverse functions.
    An interesting follow on question from it is to find like say f^2023(5), where f^n(x) means composing f with itself n times. Knowing this self-inverse property will get you to the answer pretty fast.

  • @arsalmathacademy
    @arsalmathacademy Год назад

    Very intlectual person. Good informative lecture

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 Год назад +1

    Thanks PROF a good one)

  • @pwmiles56
    @pwmiles56 Год назад +9

    Here's a fun theorem about involutive rational functions. We work in the complex number field so these are Moebius functions, but defined in the same way
    f(z) = (az + b) / (cz + d) with ad - bc non-zero
    Show that if f(x) is involutive but not the identity function; w1 = f(z1), w2 = f(z2); the lines z1z2 and w1w2 intersect at w3; and the lines z1w2 and w1z2 intersect at z3
    then
    w3 = f(z3)
    PS I think I discovered this. I call it the "triangle involution". z1, z2, and z3 form a triangle and w1, w2, w3 fall on a line. The figure is the so-called complete quadrilateral, i.e. all the point intersections of four lines, namely z1z2w3; z2z3w1; z3z1w2; w1w2w3

  • @davidgillies620
    @davidgillies620 Год назад

    Möbius transformations are one of those things that look simple but have so many ramifications and pop up in loads of different places.

  • @fantiscious
    @fantiscious Год назад +10

    Fun fact: If f(x) is an involution, and g(x) is an invertible function, then h(x) = g(f(g^-1(x)) is also an involution!
    Example: f(x) = C - x, g(x) = e^x where C is an arbitrary constant
    g^-1(x) = ln(x)
    h(x) = g(f(g^-1(x)) = e^(C - lnx) = e^C/x = C/x
    and h(h(x)) = C/(C/x) = x so it does work 😊

    • @chessematics
      @chessematics Год назад

      Yeah the inverse is g(f⁻¹(g⁻¹(x))) and then you use the fact that f = f⁻¹. Good one.

  • @lackethh8179
    @lackethh8179 Год назад

    This was so interesting to watch.

  • @michaelbaum6796
    @michaelbaum6796 Год назад

    Thanks a lot for this nice video👍

  • @rolflangius1119
    @rolflangius1119 Год назад +12

    If a=d, then c and b have to be zero. This basically gives f(x)=x as a solution

    • @rolflangius1119
      @rolflangius1119 Год назад +1

      Also, when a=d=0, then b and c can be any value (except for c=0), which gives f(x)=D/x and f(x)=0 as answers

    • @rolflangius1119
      @rolflangius1119 Год назад

      All these possible answers are represented by rewriting as f(x)=(Ax+B)/(Cx+A)

    • @codahighland
      @codahighland Год назад +2

      ​@Rolf Langius f(x) = 0 doesn't satisfy the condition that f(f(x)) = x, though, because a constant function isn't invertible.

  • @mathboy8188
    @mathboy8188 Год назад

    The second approach was a nice observation.
    Another way to see that a = -d is at least a necessary condition for it to be an involution, in the c not 0 case, is to consider the real number line wrapped up into a circle by adding a point at infinity (call it INF) for both the positive and negative infinite open endpoints of the line. Then think of f as being extended to a map of the circle to itself. If f is as an involution, then f sends some point P to INF, and so must send INF to P (to have that INF = f(f(INF)) = f(P) and that P = f(f(P)) = f(INF)). Often will have P = INF, but in this case P is a "normal" point:
    If f(x) = (ax + b)/(cx + d) with c not 0, then
    lim{ x -> - infinity } f(x) = lim{ x -> infinity } f(x) = a/c.
    Thus on this circle, it's correct to say that lim{ x -> INF } f(x) = a/c = P.
    (Note that this is actually continuous, with a basis for open neighborhoods about the point INF on the circle corresponding to the points { x in R : |x| > N } on the real number line.)
    Also have
    lim{ x -> -d/c } f(x) = INF.
    (Choose -d/c to make the denominator 0, i.e. solution to cx + d = 0).
    Thus P = a/c AND P = -d/c.
    Thus a = -d.

  • @Denis-bu4ri
    @Denis-bu4ri Год назад +2

    make more videos, you are very nice to watch

  • @sarithasaritha.t.r147
    @sarithasaritha.t.r147 Год назад +3

    When graphed, it looks like the function y=1/x

  • @lanceslance2930
    @lanceslance2930 Год назад +4

    Yo since when did bprp have the swagger watch?

  • @mairc9228
    @mairc9228 Год назад

    tecnically speaking in the f(x)=(tx-t^2+k)/(x-t) case you still have a=-d; they just both happen to be t. If you have t=0 you go back to the case where f(x)=k/x and a=d=0; you can do that because you divifed by neither of those variables in the proof.

  • @sebasFS
    @sebasFS Год назад +1

    GREAT!

  • @codahighland
    @codahighland Год назад +2

    My favorite is the identity function.

  • @LuigiElettrico
    @LuigiElettrico Год назад

    Cool and simple.

  • @marwachayma4694
    @marwachayma4694 Год назад

    The best teacher in the world 🌎❤

  • @shaikshahid1512
    @shaikshahid1512 Год назад +2

    Bro forgot his grenade

  • @mnmsean
    @mnmsean Год назад +1

    This is a problem from chapter 3 of spivaks calculus book . There are some brutal exercises in that section if you aren’t used to that kind of math.

  • @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
    @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Год назад +1

    Involutory functions, f(f(x)) = x work great with functional equations
    Consider 3g(f(x)) + 5 = x with the instructions "solve for g(x)"
    substituting f(x) for x in the above functional equation,
    We get 3g(x) + 5 = f(x) and we see g(x) = (f(x) - 5)/3
    So if f(x)=(23-x)/(1+4x)
    g(x) = ((23-x)/(1+4x) - 5)/3 = ((23-x) - 5 - 20x)/(3+12x) = (18-21x)/(3+12x) = (6 - 7x)/(1+4x)

  • @ikvangalen6101
    @ikvangalen6101 Год назад +1

    For dramatic f(x) 😂

  • @youtubeuserdan4017
    @youtubeuserdan4017 Год назад

    Bro straight up trolled his students. Respect.

  • @rylanbuck1332
    @rylanbuck1332 Год назад

    interesting enough, it also works with irrational numbers as well!

  • @k_wl
    @k_wl Год назад +4

    i noticed a ring on his finger lol

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 Год назад +2

    The easiest way in this case (multiple choice) if you calculat f(0) = 23
    So f^-1(23) = 0 then choice b is the correct answer

  • @gregebert5544
    @gregebert5544 Год назад +4

    I swear I would have been a math major instead of an engineer if he was my teacher.

    • @kevinstreeter6943
      @kevinstreeter6943 Год назад +1

      I majored in math. You made the right choice.

    • @gregebert5544
      @gregebert5544 Год назад

      @@kevinstreeter6943 Perhaps. I'm retiring in 2 weeks, having finally burned-out as an engineer for 38 years. It was great for about 20 years, but I allowed myself to get pigeonholed into dull-ish, though job-secure, work at a large company. I blame Wall Street for killing-off many of the great theoretical think-tanks we had in the past that hired PhD's in math, chem, and physics (Bell Labs, IBM, HP, Hughes, TRW, EG&G, and many more) to do cutting-edge R&D, which resulted in many new technologies.
      People who enjoy, or love, math should be rewarded with high-paying and secure jobs.

  • @diegoalejandroordonezcastr5963

    You can solve the integral of x/tan(x) using the polilogarithm please😅

  • @ur2moon
    @ur2moon Год назад

    Sir how can I remeber the formulas I've learnt for longer time or rather say for my whole life ?

  • @krish-502
    @krish-502 Год назад +1

    Can you find the conjugate of the quantity (1+i)^(1+i)? Thank you!

    • @tomctutor
      @tomctutor Год назад

      Using DeMoivre, know 1+i ≡ √2 e^(iπ/4)
      simply raise this quantity to (i+i) to get
      = √2 ((√2 )^i) e^(iπ/4) e^(-π/4)
      noting that
      (√2 )^i ≡ e^i(½ln2) = cos(½ln2)+ i sin(½ln2)
      giving
      = e^(-π/4) [cos(½ln2)+ i sin(½ln2)] (1+i )
      polar form (r, θ):
      r =√2 e^(-π/4) , θ = 1.13197
      conjugate is therefore
      r =√2 e^(-π/4) , θ = - 1.13197
      😲

  • @MrConverse
    @MrConverse Год назад

    8:15, how did you know that something was wrong? Impressive.

  • @xX_SushiRoll_Xx
    @xX_SushiRoll_Xx Год назад +1

    I love watching this while high

  • @wolfiegames1572
    @wolfiegames1572 Год назад

    This is EPIC

  • @akf2000
    @akf2000 Год назад +1

    I'm just fixated on the pen switching

  • @Ghi102
    @Ghi102 Год назад

    I'm trying to see how we can get the first function from the g(x) = tx - (t^2) + k / x - t.
    If we divide everything by -t (and add t != 0), we can get g(x) = -x + t + k / (x/t) + 1.
    Since both t and k are constant, we can replace them with another constant and say B = t + k.
    We can then say C = (1/t) since t is constant and we can get g(x) = -x + B / Cx + 1.
    Could anybody confirm if I skipped a step or did anything wrong?

    • @kostantinos2297
      @kostantinos2297 Год назад

      The reasoning is correct, just forgot to divide k by -t. You get:
      g(x) = (tx - t^2 +k)/(x-t) = (-x + t - k/t)/(1 - x/t) = (-x+B)/(Cx+1)
      Therefore C = -1/t, B = t - k/t

  • @romanbykov5922
    @romanbykov5922 Год назад +1

    7:12 Shouldn't it be "bd" rather than "bx"?

    • @G_4J
      @G_4J Год назад +2

      he changes it at 8:11

  • @sparky2141
    @sparky2141 7 месяцев назад

    Just My way of approaching, solely to quickly solve questions like this should the situation arise,
    Inputting 23 in the original function, gives 0
    So inputting 0 in the Inverse Should give 23
    That by a glance eliminates option A and D
    And notice how -1/4 is not in the domain of the original function, due to zero in the denominator
    Hence it should not be in the domain of the inverse function too,
    And that by quick inspection gives the right answer which is the function itself
    Although I do know that solving this question was not the intention of this video, I thought I would share what I did after seeing the thumbnail

  • @lychenus
    @lychenus Год назад

    when going through question, more like i want to see how student struggle and what they are failing

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP Год назад

    Involution function? More like "Interesting information; thanks a ton!"

  • @FIN2827
    @FIN2827 Год назад

    What is the intégral from 0 to pi÷2 of:
    (sinx)(cosx)÷[(tanx)^2+(cotanx)^2

    • @tomctutor
      @tomctutor Год назад

      Go Wolfram my friend:
      integrate (sinx cosx)/((tanx)^2+(cotx)^2) dx from x=0 to x=pi/2
      gives ⅛ (π-2) ~ 0.14270 🙄

  • @pranavgaikwad437
    @pranavgaikwad437 Год назад +1

    Could you suggest books for calculus beginners?

    • @gamingzo888
      @gamingzo888 Год назад

      G Tewani

    • @sguptzz
      @sguptzz Год назад +1

      ​@@gamingzo888 bruh everyone is not in India like you also g tewani is spoon feeding book

    • @sguptzz
      @sguptzz Год назад +1

      thomas calculus

  • @tiffaz84
    @tiffaz84 Год назад

    Sir, at 7:14 there is an error in the expansion. Should be bd not bx

    • @G_4J
      @G_4J Год назад

      he changes it at 8:11

  • @aguyontheinternet8436
    @aguyontheinternet8436 Год назад +1

    That's pre-cal? That looks ez!

  • @tomctutor
    @tomctutor Год назад +1

    I postulate:
    There is no proper real Rational Polynomial f(x) = P(x)/Q(x) such that f⁻¹(x)= [f(x)]⁻¹= 1/f(x).
    by proper real I mean non-trivial e.g. f(x) ≠ constant and x∊ℝ
    PS> I know that w = (1+iz)/(z + i) in complex field has such property,
    If someone posts a counter example then I will eat my hat!
    ( I have done similar algebraic manipulation as BPRP's and came up with contradictions in all possible cases).🧐

    • @pwmiles56
      @pwmiles56 Год назад +1

      It's fairly easy to prove if P and Q are linear or constant.
      Suppose
      f(x) = (ax + b)/(cx +d)
      Put x = x1/x2, f(x) = f1/f2 (so-called homogeneous coordinates). The function is then the linear operation
      [f1] = [a b] [x1]
      [f2] [c d] [x2]
      The proposition amounts to
      [ d -b] = k [c d]
      [-c a] [a b]
      with k an unknown constant. With a bit of work you get
      k^4 = 1
      The real roots, k=1 and k=-1, both result in singular matrices, such that f(x)= -1=constant, so it doesn't have an inverse. The imaginary roots , k=i and k= -i, give results like the one you show :-))

  • @anupamamehra6068
    @anupamamehra6068 Год назад

    Hi, blackpenredpen! This is Shiv, and I have a challenge for you - find the general answer/expression for (n/2) factorial or (n/2) ! where n is an odd positive integer. All the best!

  • @scarletevans4474
    @scarletevans4474 9 месяцев назад +3

    12:40 Not exactly they can be "anything", you missed one extra, tiny thing: BC≠−1
    Because, we then get that B=−1/C, thus
    (−x+B)/(Cx+1) =−(x+1/C)/(Cx+1) = −1/C (Cx+1)/(Cx+1) = −1/C
    and this is just a constant 👍

  • @thewhat2
    @thewhat2 Год назад +1

    2:09 "HIV" in captions 💀

  • @creativename.
    @creativename. 9 месяцев назад

    Gotta be a right (before watching video)

  • @apleb7605
    @apleb7605 10 месяцев назад

    But if you close your eyes….
    Does it almost feel like nothing changed at all?

  • @mostafamxs8554
    @mostafamxs8554 Год назад

    خويه انت شدسوي بينة

  • @neutronenstern.
    @neutronenstern. Год назад

    looks like möbius transform

  • @Sanatan_saarthi_1729
    @Sanatan_saarthi_1729 11 месяцев назад

    One second approach:- f(0)=23 so f(23)=0 check it's option c in thumbnail 😂😂

  • @oggermcduckling3274
    @oggermcduckling3274 Год назад +1

    Not relevant to the video but I've confused myself.
    Sqrt(x)=-5 has no solution.. but..
    What if x=i²i²5²=25.
    Then sqrt(x)=sqrt(i²i²5²)=ii5=i²5=-5 ??
    Can someone help explain what is wrong with this?

    • @pwmiles56
      @pwmiles56 Год назад

      -5 actually is a square root of 25. (-5)(-5)=25. Insisting on the positive square root is just a convention, you often have to look out for the negative one

  • @andersonseecharan2447
    @andersonseecharan2447 9 месяцев назад

    Is the answer A?

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 Год назад

    PROF i think better 7 hour is UR style better)

  • @shadmanhasan4205
    @shadmanhasan4205 11 месяцев назад

    A = correct answer

  • @YTBRSosyalEmre
    @YTBRSosyalEmre Год назад

    only real people know that the old title was " when the answer is same as the question..."

  • @mayankshekhar9631
    @mayankshekhar9631 Год назад

    Aah mobius transfomrations

  • @Flemenjo
    @Flemenjo Год назад

    Hi bprp can you solve this:
    ((x^2-4x+4)^2)/(|x-2|)=0
    I hope you can see this comment

  • @vaibhavsrivastva1253
    @vaibhavsrivastva1253 6 месяцев назад

    2:08
    "Deja vu" has been mistyped as "HIV".

  • @guy_with_infinite_power
    @guy_with_infinite_power Год назад +1

    Fact : You'll find the fact when you find out the inverse of function given by:
    f(x) = (4x+3)/(6x-4)

  • @MaximusAurelius1987
    @MaximusAurelius1987 Год назад

    The V mudra is too generic. Show us triad claw.

  • @adityaagarwal636
    @adityaagarwal636 Год назад

    Third.

  • @j.o.k.e7864
    @j.o.k.e7864 Год назад +2

    1st

    • @Sphinxycatto
      @Sphinxycatto Год назад +1

      Heh
      Too late bro

    • @j.o.k.e7864
      @j.o.k.e7864 Год назад

      @@Sphinxycatto check again 😏

    • @Sphinxycatto
      @Sphinxycatto Год назад

      @@j.o.k.e7864 there is about 1 min diff

    • @j.o.k.e7864
      @j.o.k.e7864 Год назад

      @@Sphinxycatto Thanks for the confirmation that I'm the first 😏

    • @Sphinxycatto
      @Sphinxycatto Год назад

      @@j.o.k.e7864 ay it's ok 👍
      Atleast I was smart

  • @donwald3436
    @donwald3436 Год назад

    Nice sloppy notation, you wrote y = x lol.

    • @xXJ4FARGAMERXx
      @xXJ4FARGAMERXx Год назад +1

      I prefer replacing x with f⁻¹(x), and then solving from there.
      f(x) = ax + b
      f(f⁻¹(x)) = af⁻¹(x) + b
      x = af⁻¹(x) + b
      x - b = af⁻¹(x)
      (x - b)/a = f⁻¹(x)
      f⁻¹(x) = (x - b)/a

    • @lieutenantsimonriley3758
      @lieutenantsimonriley3758 Год назад

      @@xXJ4FARGAMERXx May Allah SWT reward you akhi 🤲🏽♥️

  • @navamgarg
    @navamgarg Год назад +1

    Why your long beard sometime appears and then again disappears? 😑 Yes, I am serious! Please ANSWER....My curiosity is rising obove my head.

  • @jumpman8282
    @jumpman8282 11 месяцев назад

    When deriving the inverse to 𝑓(𝑥) = (𝑎𝑥 + 𝑏) ∕ (𝑐𝑥 + 𝑑),
    I wonder why you didn't do it the same way that you found the inverse to (23 − 𝑥) ∕ (1 + 4𝑥),
    because doing so you would quickly arrive at 𝑓⁻¹(𝑥) = (−𝑑𝑥 + 𝑏)/(𝑐𝑥 − 𝑎)
    from where it is obvious that 𝑎 = −𝑑 ⇒ 𝑓(𝑥) = 𝑓⁻¹(𝑥),
    regardless of what values we choose for 𝑏 and 𝑐 (including 0).
    If we want to be thorough we can then set (𝑎𝑥 + 𝑏) ∕ (𝑐𝑥 + 𝑑) = (−𝑑𝑥 + 𝑏)/(𝑐𝑥 − 𝑎),
    which gives us the quadratic equation (𝑎 + 𝑑)𝑐𝑥² + (𝑎 + 𝑑)(𝑑 − 𝑎)𝑥 − (𝑎 + 𝑑)𝑏 = 0.
    Since we have already covered the case 𝑎 = −𝑑, we can divide both sides by (𝑎 + 𝑑)
    to get 𝑐𝑥² + (𝑑 − 𝑎)𝑥 − 𝑏 = 0, which tells us 𝑏 = 𝑐 = 0 and 𝑎 = 𝑑, i.e., 𝑓(𝑥) = 𝑥.

  • @sebasFS
    @sebasFS Год назад

    This was so interesting to watch.