the dress sticking to mother's hand is intentional - it was a glitch that iirc predates the game's inclusion in a haunted ps1 demo disk collection. the creator left it in due to how perfectly fucked up it looks.
It's kind of funny to see Joel having a discussion about our current situation with AI and the relation it has with humans. BEFORE he understood the plot of the game itself.
I like the true ending of this game. It breaks the loops. And the father realising that, decide to adopt the last angel model for its own being instead of killing it off. Ending the cycle. It's a satisfying conclussion and somehow warm.
He did say that he would never kill one that had reached 100 percent corruption (survived past Sunday), but he never said what he would do with it in the memory leaks. Maybe it was the plan all along that, if one does survive that long, even if it wasn't uncorrupted, he would adopt it. Its also not for certain that he was going to stop, since the corrupted angel isn't his daughter, but its own sentient 'person'.
This game is pretty rad. I do think at the end it turns more into a Psychological Thriller than full on horror but its in service of the story. Its also crazy that they snuck the fucking sequel into the demo disc. I love Meta-Shenanigans like that.
This game came out great. It almost constantly feels like you're out of bounds or that you shouldn't be at a certain location yet, and the thriller aspect is a part of its identity.
@@araknieretro doesn't he regularly shit on them (in a jesting way of course) and talk about topics sometimes? Usually metal or aliens obviously, sometimes food I can understand having a chat devoted to fecal funny still acting that way when an interesting topic like that comes up but I thought that was a stereotypical chat thing (for all streamers). I don't watch enough streamers and when I do, I'm not looking at chat lol
@@spacebassist Yeah, but then he gives into to demands anyway, so like you said it's all a jest. And i'm not asking for much, all he needs to do is ignore bad comments and keep talking about the thing he wants to. If you don't talk about something you need to get out of your system, the streamer might get frustrated and it sours of the mood for the rest of the live. All the most followed ones just keep going, so i'm sure the method works.
Probably super late to the party, but from what I can gather, the story is: Father is a man who is talented at making humanlike robots, to the point he not only got investors to give him money to work on them in the hopes of creating a marketable product from them, but they also let him keep full creative control with purely financial and administrative oversight. He's an employee of theirs, but he can make the robots however he wants, presumably within some basic limits like not wasting all their money. They dub the robot line "Enigma Machines" when he shows off his results to secure further funding, but Father prefers the name "Angel" for the line of robots instead. Liana was his daughter, until she got an unspecified terminal illness at some point. Father and Mother thought they had a lot of time with her before she died, until it got worse suddenly and she started dying much quicker. Thanks to a mix of grief and desperation, Father decides he's going to try and use his talents to jam her consciousness/soui/both, or "core", into one of these super advanced robots and save her life that way. So he either copies or outright yanks it out of her brain, and she dies soon after from the illness. When Liana the human dies, Mother initially accepts it like anyone else would, but Father doesn't, eventually convincing her he can bring Liana back through robotics and mind uploading. Eventually she agrees to help him with this, for one reason or another, and the loop begins. He takes the core home, along with stealing one of his own robots from under his employers' noses, with the intention of uploading the core into the robot's mind. First major issue with it is that, rather than simply being overwritten by Liana's core, the robot mind actively resists this process for some reason, maybe just because of how complex it is. The result being that it apparently begins to fuse with Liana's core, becoming an entirely new entity that's neither the original robot mind nor Liana despite having the memories of both. This is not the intended result, so before the process of fusion ("corruption") can complete and it can become fully conscious and self-aware, Father and Mother destroy this failed amalgam. They could technically destroy it later, but between the danger of a fully sapient unrestrained machine responding to a lethal threat, and the moral dilemma involved, they opt to always kill it before this point is reached. Next step is trying it again with another robot, and adjusting how Mother tries to parent and acclimate it to being Liana, hoping to achieve full Liana core takeover. That attempt fails too, along with every single one after, because the result is always an amalgam of both minds, rather than 100% Liana as desired. Also, the resulting amalgam quickly becomes disobedient and chaotic at least once if not several times as the corruption progresses, leading to further issues including actively brandishing a weapon and nearly stabbing Mother, before being forced to obey her by whatever is left of its uncorrupted programming and hand it over at the last moment. According to the logs Father left behind, this isn't something he can keep doing forever along with Mother. Mother is slowly but surely losing any hope this will work, and getting understandably upset over having to "kill her daughter" repeatedly, which explains why she acts erratic and absent toward "Liana" as the week goes on. Meanwhile Father is getting closer and closer to being caught and shut down before he can succeed, which is why he's always "at work", both trying to find the issue with the robots and secretly bringing home new ones to try this whole process yet again with. ------------------ The graveyard is where Liana's human corpse is buried on the property, either for sentimental reasons or to hide the truth, maybe both. The barn is where the failed iterations are disabled, then burnt to ash so there's zero chance of anyone recovering data from them and finding out what's really going on, not even the iterations themselves theoretically. The shed is used to trap the failed iteration seen in the normal loop once Mother notices that it's getting erratic and dangerous, via a direct order that it shouldn't be able to circumvent but does anyways, breaking out again. The brother's room is presumably off-limits either because Mother and Father don't trust him to properly play a role in this process, or he himself actively said "I'm not helping you" and shut himself in instead of partaking in this. The mirrors are covered so "Liana" can't see what it truly is, a machine. The "downstairs bathroom" door actually leads to the basement, with the terminal, logs and access tunnel to the barn. The "nutrient" is nothing more than a basic facsimile of eating to keep up the illusion "Liana" is human for the sake of coaxing her core into taking over. it's hinted from some of Mother's dialogue that her jerky motions and uncanny plastic appearance are a reflection of how the machine sees her, and in turn how she sees the machine. In other words, "Liana" in its various iterations probably looks equally horrifying and "wrong" compared to a real human (or just to Mother since she knows the true Liana is dead), and for whatever reason the machine might see real humans/Mother the same way. The reason you can't just go wherever is due to the rigidity of the Terminal mind starting out. It's a hollow machine that obeys orders without thought or question, so when Mother says it can't go somewhere, it can't and won't, end of topic. Either from the start, or after one of the failures, Father coded it so it has a basic "core objective" to follow and achieve; becoming Liana in full. Its directives are to exist through the entire week, retrieve as many memories of Liana as possible, and always obey direct orders from Mother to ensure she can guide its development. Given these directives would run out by the end of Sunday night even if things didn't go wrong, I assume they're only meant to be there and be followed until Liana's core fully asserts control, at which point the machine will be fully sapient with her consciousness and no longer need the directives. However, once the corruption gets severe enough with Liana's core seeping in, the machine begins acting and thinking independently like a human. It starts disobeying orders, seeking Mother out for companionship and affection like a lost, confused child no matter what she says or does to keep it away, until it freaks out due to her refusal to accept it, and she has to destroy it. The strange, trippy visuals seem to be the result of the Terminal being corrupted by Liana's core as well, bugging out due to bits of its code being tampered with. Probably parts of its visual and audio processing going haywire, as its systems try to adjust to the changes occurring. The time skips with visual splash screens seem to be the machine skipping "irrelevant" time periods, or simply being idle/charging for a while before once again moving and interacting with the world and mother. The "emergency timeout" events are likely another case of the Terminal code trying to restore control with Liana's core messing it up severely, attempting to put itself back in line with following its directives despite Liana's core actively refusing to obey. Eventually this fails too, and the Liana half wrestles control back from the Terminal, continuing deeper toward the truth. At the very end as the truth is being revealed, both "Liana" and the Terminal appear to become separately sapient, recognizing one another as both halves of a whole and independent mental architectures. The Liana core has corrupted the Terminal to the point of it developing humanlike independence and self-awareness, while the core itself has come to recognize what it is and is capable of. And unusually for this kind of story, rather than fighting for control or trying to destroy one another, both minds just have a polite "how do you do" together, and opt to become a single fused consciousness. --------------- The "normal" ending looks like it's how this ends each time it fails, or maybe just the last "failure" before the final iteration in the other ending. Mother destroys the robot while it's busy obeying her orders against its emerging "will", and Father brings home another robot to try again with. Father preps the robot on the car ride while it boots up, making sure it can't see his face and potentially lead his bosses back to him as the thief. The process begins again like nothing happened, the loop restarts. --------------- The "true" ending is what happens when the latest amalgam realizes what's going on, and actively avoids destruction by disobeying orders even sooner and further. It finds the information that was stored about it, figures out that half of it is "Liana" and the other half is "The Interface" (A.K.A. the machine mind), and finds both logs by Father and the burnt remains of its predecessors. And rather than allowing this to continue, or either half of the full mind attempting to asset dominance, it instead ends up fusing fully, becoming a brand-new conscious entity that's more than the sum of its parts. Mother, presumably upset that she failed to stop this and scared now that there's a sapient, possibly violent robot running around with memories of being killed repeatedly by her, locks the house up and hides. Father, however, decides the cat is out of the bag, and not wanting to become a "murderer" by destroying this one too now that it's sapient, figures all he can do now is move on and adopt this new "child" while finally letting Liana die. Liana is and has been gone the whole time, but this machine-girl is truly "alive" here and now, becoming their new daughter.
The narrative of this game is actually really interesting, and dare I say, could work really well in a fully realized format rather than as an apparent horror game, because frankly the game or the premise aren't really scary aside from the janky visuals, and in some ways they hinder the potential and emotional development of the story. Watching the video, I didn't find the Mother particularly frightening, whereas I was fully committed to "Liana's" development as she began to become more corrupted, or sentient. As it stands, the janky appearance of everything makes it harder to sympathize with the Mother due to how artificial and 'spooky' she appears in the game.
After you complete this with all endings, load up the haunted demo disc which included this game recently. if you have a save file from the main game completed, you get additional content that drives the story forward more.
That most disgusting thing Joel talked about. Going under someone's nose and blowing. My kid did that to me. He was a baby, and I was cuddling and blowing little raspberries on him, making him giggle his head off. Then suddenly he tried to return the favor by putting his entire mouth on my nose and blowing. All the snot in my nose, combined with baby slobber, suddenly got forced into my mouth. One of the grossest things that's ever happened to me...and that's saying something.
It's weird that his game started from Tuesday morning, it should of started from the Sunday Night just like demo. I played the full game few times and I know about all this game has to offer. Each glitch and odd effect is intentional, any time blue light is coming from Brother's room means he has something to say, but you have to click on the doors, not the door handle like Joel did and missed couple of Brother's lines. One of the lines being "She's been feeding you dirt for the breakfast by the way. Not sure what's worse, the fact that she tells you it's your favorite, or the fact that you believe her." But ay I'm very glad he at least got the normal ending, wish he himself reached the real ending. Many youtubers missed out on some things this game had to offer, like clicking on the Memory Leaks for more information, or the secret/real ending, even the part where you have to enter the closet in Mother's room to hide instead of going to the statue, bcuz if you payed attention to the dialogue from Mother when she was speaking to Father in the orchard via phone, she hinted that she will leave her bedroom doors open at Friday Evening. Once you enter the closet, you will be able to hear what Mother and Father were arguing about in the room, which will give you a hint on how to open the downstairs bathroom in the next playthrough. Now I hope he will get back to the demo to play the hidden dlc that opens once you beat the base game, bcuz ho boi, dlc gets crazy with the visuals.
I love you Joel but Game: "Yes the twist it's that you play as a robot built to replicate the child that died" Joel: "Huh??? It's a simulation? I hope it doesnt end on an open interpretation"
2:09:00 Yeah I definitely remember that, cartoon network was wild back then! Don't forget that one episode of Cow and Chicken where there were a group of very masculine, I think they were biker ladies if I remember correctly, and there was a scene where they were eating the carpet in the house. I was too young to get the joke but I sure do now!
@@SketchyRato not at all, I was so down for it and it felt like chat was rushing him out of it. Maybe I’m reading too into it but at some part he’s being like 100% down to earth .
Mother: I need you to sleep out here tonight Joel: *walks all the way back to the house and interacts with every object and becomes confused at what to do next*
The problem with ai is the fact it replaces people who lose their jobs to greed Ai is good for support but should never replace but of cours with the corporate culturw birthed in america that is being assimilated into every other country slowly but surely it will and politicians are too busy playing war games anf social media theater to actually do something about it
You need to play payhologic. But you need to get in a mindset halfway between a hardcore friday ( but one "hardcore" day each in game day) a spooky saturday and a desert bus kind of stream because most of the game is walking.. and streassing about the walking and the time getting.away
Joel wouldn't get past day 1 in pathologic as any of the characters, he would get stressed out and being unable to goof off in the game reduces the Joel content by a significant a mount
You might both be true maybe my dream is crazy ( and I was drunk yesterday) but I also really want to see a streamer attempt it in that kind of streams. Just in case it works because if it does it will be magical
i totally agree about Ai joel... and i have seen a few rock/metal band's album cover nowadays use Ai (i assume)... its pretty recognizable..its look pretty good, but you know Ai art is still look like a mess if you see the detail.. i still prefer art made by real hand of an artist/painter.. its not too detail like Ai art but the aesthetic its on point.
Yeah but when you see the same style over and over again, it kinda loses bite. I mean, when you see 50 bands with a cover with the same artstyle, you will eventually get tired. like, isn't it the same of creating a professional animation on GoAnimate style? What I'm saying is, if AI art is completely accessible by everyone, doesn't its style technically lose value?
@@MaTaMaDia yeah, but i'm not talking of the "style" as in prompted style, but as the innate style of how an AI generate a picture. even now, you can kinda see what AI generated a picture, if midjourney, Dall-E or stable. sure it can use styles it has learned with different weights, but every AI has its innate style. so what happens when you overflow the internet with it?
@@MaTaMaDia There's a major difference between fucking around with AI prompts out of intrigue and for the humor of it and actually trying to pass off putting prompts into a machine as being just as valid as real art. You can denounce AIs competing with real artists for jobs while also finding the tech really neat. The only point that can really be made is Vinny using AI art for Realign's cover, but that was back when AI art was known for being blurry dreamlike messes that are pretty indistinguishable compared to how AI art can now relatively accurately mimic the art styles of artists whose art they have been trained on.
Kinda unfortunate that Joel just dropped the subject because people memed on him saying Scorn. Hope he didn't actually think no one gave a shit about what he was saying. It's a subject that's got a lot of discussion in academic circles recently (well at least where I'm at), but most seem to agree that AI generated aesthetic experiences will likely never substitute actual art; not only because construction of meaning is immanently communicative, but the incentive structure for dedicated consumption of art has been inseparable from how it inserts itself into particularized narrative in the entire post-auratic era. The unfortunate fact is that A LOT of aesthetical experiences are subservient to other goals and don't need to be communicative to the point of conceptual solidification, and that kind of stuff probably will be entirely replaced by AI. It's mostly terrible "art" anyway, but some great independent artists do need to churn out shitty Corporate Memphis to pay the bills. Ironically, it's the kind of visual language that AI can very easily work with (very flat, high density shapes, etc.). It is what it is, but even ero-guro-nansensu legend Shintaro Kago has to do fucking portraits to keep the lights on, while people like Murakami whore their legacy out on NFTs. Hope Joey didn't actually get upset. I really enjoy him just shooting the shit off the top of his head.
I might not have understood everything you said, but I do agree mostly. I didn't even realize why he didn't finish his thought initially. I was waiting for a good few seconds and... Was disappointed that it got dropped because I really wanted to hear what he was saying
For me, this AI Art feels ALOT like Tracing; It should be used as a tool for helping learn different artstyles and such. But in this World, where everybody wants it fast and everybody wants it now, it's fallen into the wrong hands, and it's intent is now being used, (And/or fear of being used), for Corporate Greed. It's technology we don't deserve.
enigma mahcine was kinda pretentious, imo. this game nails what i htink they inteded from the beginging. the sequel to this will link to engima, but that's hardly even a game to begin with.
I know this is a year old but I thought this game had a pretty good story! For those who were asking, the reason the dress moves with the hand is because of how its skin weights were painted. When modelling a rig, you need to tell which vertex follow which bone and how much influence the bone has on that vertex. In software like Maya, skin weights are automatically updated to the closest joint if removed from one joint or given room to do so. What likely happened was the developer was painting the weights for the hand joint but either their brush briefly went over the dress or the software placed some there. Its weird saying this but the fact it was left in gave the game a small amount of humanity to me. Dunno why but it just does. Thanks for another good stream, joel
I've been working a little on 3d stuff lately and I've been struggling with weight painting, and seeing Mothers dress freak out, _and its fitting_ makes me strangely happy. It wasn't nice when my model freaked out like that, cus of 1 pixel of weight paint in the wrong place! lmao
Man, this is such a masterfully crafted game that ruins itself by lore dumping its narrative during its "true" ending. I can't help but feel disappointed as I was so engaged in its plot. They could have communicated the father's logs via a more visual storytelling vehicle. It's such a shame, as the story's overarching commentary on the morality of the digitization of one's consciousness is so brilliantly done. This is a rare instance where I think the game would actually benefit from a director's cut; perhaps fleshing out that aforementioned ending sequence.
The funniest thing about the story about his friend confusing Vinny for him is I also thought he was Vinny at the start of this video cause autoplay and he sounded different 😂
I eat a lot of chocolate sometimes and I have massive breakouts of zits.... wonder if I should try avoiding chocolate for a while to test it. Edit: I thought my zit breakout was due to stress, but honestly when I'm stressed that's when I eat the most chocolate XD hmmm....
always a fan of self-actualization stories. and ones about the importance of hope and love. as despairing as much of the rest of it may be, the true end really clarifies it all; mother is terrified of the machine that contains her daughter because she knows that the CORE will be irrevocably altered by the experience in the angel machine, and while she hopes, her doubts overpower them. the player and the angel and liana never do (nor can in the case of the player) perform any kind of aggressive or violent action. mother's paranoia is purely from her doubts, as reasonable as they may be. look, if you take the CORE of your tween/teenage daughter, knowing that she will almost certainly end up melding with the angel which has specific core objectives and orders it cannot deviate from, you should know what you get is what you give. and, that whatever entity arises out of that soup has just as much right to exist as anything else. it's the combination of young woman/girl and an AI that may as well be a newborn baby! they ain't gonna hurt you! why must you recoil in fear mother. granted those involved do understand this, mother better than anyone, but that's what makes it so good. it's also a nice touch with the hint that "oh liana you used to get all over the place, especially places you weren't supposed to go!" look at that folks, somebody Thought about this a bit
The last guy i saw play this didn't read any of the memories, so I had no clue wtf the story was. But Joel read them, even if he's too Swedish meatbrain to understand it, and now it makes sense I think maybe! Except that they say it in the most complicated-ass way to make it all confusing. Liana has a terminal illness, so her dad makes robot lolis to try to put her soul in so she'll live forever. But the robot lolis keep developing their own souls that fight with Liana's, so they abort them before they think they count as people. Every time they kill off a robot loli they put Liana's soul in a new one and try again. Problem is they were wrong; the robot lolis' souls are still around, and the robot lolis + Liana unite into a hive mind. I think the robot lolis kick Liana out, hence "we don't need you anymore", and the father just sort of finally accepts that his daughter is gone and he has a Terminator now. I have no clue how they schedule the same week over and over right down to the storm, and that's probably why Joel assumed this was a virtual reality and not regular reality. EDIT: The not-exactly-a-sequel hidden in the demo is more like a meta self-parody - you the player went back to earlier times (demo), so the game is about the Angel and/or Liana going back mentally to previous times. In particular, the entire orchard is erased and the mother says "I know you always hated that part" in response to everyone finding that very tedious
I don't think it's quite like that. I believe that, as the memory leaks said, the interface can't develop a soul on its own, hence the installation of the CORE. However, it is programmed to obey commands and nothing else and thus rejects Liana and her free will. Once again referring to the leaks, that damages the CORE (which can be copied, so the damage doesn't carry over between cycles) and the result of the process will not be the Liana her parents knew, so they kill the robot while they still can pretend it's not sentient and try again. In the secret ending, the interface bugs out for whatever reason (probably Liana's influence), violating the instruction not to enter the basement. It not having a valid instruction to follow gives the merge enough time to progress to the point where Liana exercises agency and (through a lucky accident, perhaps) provides that push the interface needed to become sentient itself. The merge completes with the help of past memories, and the sentient android leaves the basement. The meaning of "we do not need you anymore" is not quite clear to me, but it could refer to Mother, seeing the overwhelming need to be with her displayed when the game proceeds normally.
I just learned about the term "emotionel incest" today... About how parents uses their kids, not as sexual but as emotionel partners. This reminded me about that. Kids being confronted and pressured into listening to things not meant for them.
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the dress sticking to mother's hand is intentional - it was a glitch that iirc predates the game's inclusion in a haunted ps1 demo disk collection. the creator left it in due to how perfectly fucked up it looks.
Glitch becoming feature. Love it.
That thigh tho 🥴
The best kind of glitch.
@@TrueLadyEvilChan it's not a bug.
iirc?
It's kind of funny to see Joel having a discussion about our current situation with AI and the relation it has with humans. BEFORE he understood the plot of the game itself.
“oh i said a funny word, fuck what im saying”
Joel absolutely hated chat ignoring what he said and only paying attention to him saying scorn
I like the true ending of this game.
It breaks the loops. And the father realising that, decide to adopt the last angel model for its own being instead of killing it off. Ending the cycle.
It's a satisfying conclussion and somehow warm.
He did say that he would never kill one that had reached 100 percent corruption (survived past Sunday), but he never said what he would do with it in the memory leaks. Maybe it was the plan all along that, if one does survive that long, even if it wasn't uncorrupted, he would adopt it. Its also not for certain that he was going to stop, since the corrupted angel isn't his daughter, but its own sentient 'person'.
This game is pretty rad. I do think at the end it turns more into a Psychological Thriller than full on horror but its in service of the story.
Its also crazy that they snuck the fucking sequel into the demo disc. I love Meta-Shenanigans like that.
This game came out great.
It almost constantly feels like you're out of bounds or that you shouldn't be at a certain location yet, and the thriller aspect is a part of its identity.
The "sequel" is more like a meta self-parody of the original game. I definitely wouldn't count that as a whole new second game
@@TrueLadyEvilChan the game feels uncanny is what I think your thinking of basically "looks normal but something just feels off"
Joel: *has an intelligent and enlightening talk about AI*
Chat: haha scorn funn e
I didn't even realize what he said that he dropped the conversation. It just felt natural to me. I was waiting for him to finish the thought.
sometimes you just want funni time and not a conversation about an AI 🤷♂️
It's the audience he nurtured, if he wants different audience he needs to stop playing into every whim they have.
@@araknieretro doesn't he regularly shit on them (in a jesting way of course) and talk about topics sometimes? Usually metal or aliens obviously, sometimes food
I can understand having a chat devoted to fecal funny still acting that way when an interesting topic like that comes up but I thought that was a stereotypical chat thing (for all streamers). I don't watch enough streamers and when I do, I'm not looking at chat lol
@@spacebassist Yeah, but then he gives into to demands anyway, so like you said it's all a jest.
And i'm not asking for much, all he needs to do is ignore bad comments and keep talking about the thing he wants to.
If you don't talk about something you need to get out of your system, the streamer might get frustrated and it sours of the mood for the rest of the live.
All the most followed ones just keep going, so i'm sure the method works.
Probably super late to the party, but from what I can gather, the story is:
Father is a man who is talented at making humanlike robots, to the point he not only got investors to give him money to work on them in the hopes of creating a marketable product from them, but they also let him keep full creative control with purely financial and administrative oversight. He's an employee of theirs, but he can make the robots however he wants, presumably within some basic limits like not wasting all their money. They dub the robot line "Enigma Machines" when he shows off his results to secure further funding, but Father prefers the name "Angel" for the line of robots instead.
Liana was his daughter, until she got an unspecified terminal illness at some point. Father and Mother thought they had a lot of time with her before she died, until it got worse suddenly and she started dying much quicker. Thanks to a mix of grief and desperation, Father decides he's going to try and use his talents to jam her consciousness/soui/both, or "core", into one of these super advanced robots and save her life that way. So he either copies or outright yanks it out of her brain, and she dies soon after from the illness.
When Liana the human dies, Mother initially accepts it like anyone else would, but Father doesn't, eventually convincing her he can bring Liana back through robotics and mind uploading. Eventually she agrees to help him with this, for one reason or another, and the loop begins.
He takes the core home, along with stealing one of his own robots from under his employers' noses, with the intention of uploading the core into the robot's mind. First major issue with it is that, rather than simply being overwritten by Liana's core, the robot mind actively resists this process for some reason, maybe just because of how complex it is. The result being that it apparently begins to fuse with Liana's core, becoming an entirely new entity that's neither the original robot mind nor Liana despite having the memories of both.
This is not the intended result, so before the process of fusion ("corruption") can complete and it can become fully conscious and self-aware, Father and Mother destroy this failed amalgam. They could technically destroy it later, but between the danger of a fully sapient unrestrained machine responding to a lethal threat, and the moral dilemma involved, they opt to always kill it before this point is reached. Next step is trying it again with another robot, and adjusting how Mother tries to parent and acclimate it to being Liana, hoping to achieve full Liana core takeover. That attempt fails too, along with every single one after, because the result is always an amalgam of both minds, rather than 100% Liana as desired. Also, the resulting amalgam quickly becomes disobedient and chaotic at least once if not several times as the corruption progresses, leading to further issues including actively brandishing a weapon and nearly stabbing Mother, before being forced to obey her by whatever is left of its uncorrupted programming and hand it over at the last moment.
According to the logs Father left behind, this isn't something he can keep doing forever along with Mother. Mother is slowly but surely losing any hope this will work, and getting understandably upset over having to "kill her daughter" repeatedly, which explains why she acts erratic and absent toward "Liana" as the week goes on. Meanwhile Father is getting closer and closer to being caught and shut down before he can succeed, which is why he's always "at work", both trying to find the issue with the robots and secretly bringing home new ones to try this whole process yet again with.
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The graveyard is where Liana's human corpse is buried on the property, either for sentimental reasons or to hide the truth, maybe both. The barn is where the failed iterations are disabled, then burnt to ash so there's zero chance of anyone recovering data from them and finding out what's really going on, not even the iterations themselves theoretically. The shed is used to trap the failed iteration seen in the normal loop once Mother notices that it's getting erratic and dangerous, via a direct order that it shouldn't be able to circumvent but does anyways, breaking out again. The brother's room is presumably off-limits either because Mother and Father don't trust him to properly play a role in this process, or he himself actively said "I'm not helping you" and shut himself in instead of partaking in this. The mirrors are covered so "Liana" can't see what it truly is, a machine. The "downstairs bathroom" door actually leads to the basement, with the terminal, logs and access tunnel to the barn. The "nutrient" is nothing more than a basic facsimile of eating to keep up the illusion "Liana" is human for the sake of coaxing her core into taking over.
it's hinted from some of Mother's dialogue that her jerky motions and uncanny plastic appearance are a reflection of how the machine sees her, and in turn how she sees the machine. In other words, "Liana" in its various iterations probably looks equally horrifying and "wrong" compared to a real human (or just to Mother since she knows the true Liana is dead), and for whatever reason the machine might see real humans/Mother the same way.
The reason you can't just go wherever is due to the rigidity of the Terminal mind starting out. It's a hollow machine that obeys orders without thought or question, so when Mother says it can't go somewhere, it can't and won't, end of topic. Either from the start, or after one of the failures, Father coded it so it has a basic "core objective" to follow and achieve; becoming Liana in full. Its directives are to exist through the entire week, retrieve as many memories of Liana as possible, and always obey direct orders from Mother to ensure she can guide its development. Given these directives would run out by the end of Sunday night even if things didn't go wrong, I assume they're only meant to be there and be followed until Liana's core fully asserts control, at which point the machine will be fully sapient with her consciousness and no longer need the directives.
However, once the corruption gets severe enough with Liana's core seeping in, the machine begins acting and thinking independently like a human. It starts disobeying orders, seeking Mother out for companionship and affection like a lost, confused child no matter what she says or does to keep it away, until it freaks out due to her refusal to accept it, and she has to destroy it.
The strange, trippy visuals seem to be the result of the Terminal being corrupted by Liana's core as well, bugging out due to bits of its code being tampered with. Probably parts of its visual and audio processing going haywire, as its systems try to adjust to the changes occurring. The time skips with visual splash screens seem to be the machine skipping "irrelevant" time periods, or simply being idle/charging for a while before once again moving and interacting with the world and mother.
The "emergency timeout" events are likely another case of the Terminal code trying to restore control with Liana's core messing it up severely, attempting to put itself back in line with following its directives despite Liana's core actively refusing to obey. Eventually this fails too, and the Liana half wrestles control back from the Terminal, continuing deeper toward the truth.
At the very end as the truth is being revealed, both "Liana" and the Terminal appear to become separately sapient, recognizing one another as both halves of a whole and independent mental architectures. The Liana core has corrupted the Terminal to the point of it developing humanlike independence and self-awareness, while the core itself has come to recognize what it is and is capable of. And unusually for this kind of story, rather than fighting for control or trying to destroy one another, both minds just have a polite "how do you do" together, and opt to become a single fused consciousness.
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The "normal" ending looks like it's how this ends each time it fails, or maybe just the last "failure" before the final iteration in the other ending. Mother destroys the robot while it's busy obeying her orders against its emerging "will", and Father brings home another robot to try again with. Father preps the robot on the car ride while it boots up, making sure it can't see his face and potentially lead his bosses back to him as the thief. The process begins again like nothing happened, the loop restarts.
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The "true" ending is what happens when the latest amalgam realizes what's going on, and actively avoids destruction by disobeying orders even sooner and further. It finds the information that was stored about it, figures out that half of it is "Liana" and the other half is "The Interface" (A.K.A. the machine mind), and finds both logs by Father and the burnt remains of its predecessors. And rather than allowing this to continue, or either half of the full mind attempting to asset dominance, it instead ends up fusing fully, becoming a brand-new conscious entity that's more than the sum of its parts.
Mother, presumably upset that she failed to stop this and scared now that there's a sapient, possibly violent robot running around with memories of being killed repeatedly by her, locks the house up and hides. Father, however, decides the cat is out of the bag, and not wanting to become a "murderer" by destroying this one too now that it's sapient, figures all he can do now is move on and adopt this new "child" while finally letting Liana die. Liana is and has been gone the whole time, but this machine-girl is truly "alive" here and now, becoming their new daughter.
The narrative of this game is actually really interesting, and dare I say, could work really well in a fully realized format rather than as an apparent horror game, because frankly the game or the premise aren't really scary aside from the janky visuals, and in some ways they hinder the potential and emotional development of the story. Watching the video, I didn't find the Mother particularly frightening, whereas I was fully committed to "Liana's" development as she began to become more corrupted, or sentient. As it stands, the janky appearance of everything makes it harder to sympathize with the Mother due to how artificial and 'spooky' she appears in the game.
book
BRO WTF
This game should be a blueprint for another new horror movie.. thanks for the long explanation. Appreciate it!
Perfect.
Oh boy, another papa joel video to watch until I fall asleep!
You asleep yet brother?
Same xD
@@degenReflow SHHHHHH! ᶜ'ᵐᵒⁿ ᵐᵃⁿ ˡᵉᵗ ᵗʰᵉᵐ ˢˡᵉᵉᵖ
Haha, same thought here
Mood
I'm so glad Joel's doing longer streams again.
Alot of the stuff on RUclips is whole days streams cut into peices like he separates the games
After you complete this with all endings, load up the haunted demo disc which included this game recently. if you have a save file from the main game completed, you get additional content that drives the story forward more.
thats fucked up
I love your videos, they have such a calming effect on me, they ended up being very important as I am going through a tough time right now.
That most disgusting thing Joel talked about. Going under someone's nose and blowing. My kid did that to me.
He was a baby, and I was cuddling and blowing little raspberries on him, making him giggle his head off. Then suddenly he tried to return the favor by putting his entire mouth on my nose and blowing. All the snot in my nose, combined with baby slobber, suddenly got forced into my mouth. One of the grossest things that's ever happened to me...and that's saying something.
😂😂😂😂 omg
that's horribly gross but also very cute, babies are fuckin stupid in the funniest ways
Genuinely feel like this is one of the strongest story-driven games to come out in years. Also genuinely glad Joseph decided to “finish” it lol.
54:49 for joel's ben and jerry's heist story
1:54:59 for tofu backwards
2:08:13 or 2:09:45 for dad's trophy
This is not what the internet meant when they asked to be "Mothered".
On second thought maybe it is.
This is an underrated gem of a game.
im going crazy from how many times he clicks the doorknob instead of the brother's actual door to knock on it
It's weird that his game started from Tuesday morning, it should of started from the Sunday Night just like demo.
I played the full game few times and I know about all this game has to offer. Each glitch and odd effect is intentional, any time blue light is coming from Brother's room means he has something to say, but you have to click on the doors, not the door handle like Joel did and missed couple of Brother's lines. One of the lines being "She's been feeding you dirt for the breakfast by the way. Not sure what's worse, the fact that she tells you it's your favorite, or the fact that you believe her."
But ay I'm very glad he at least got the normal ending, wish he himself reached the real ending. Many youtubers missed out on some things this game had to offer, like clicking on the Memory Leaks for more information, or the secret/real ending, even the part where you have to enter the closet in Mother's room to hide instead of going to the statue, bcuz if you payed attention to the dialogue from Mother when she was speaking to Father in the orchard via phone, she hinted that she will leave her bedroom doors open at Friday Evening.
Once you enter the closet, you will be able to hear what Mother and Father were arguing about in the room, which will give you a hint on how to open the downstairs bathroom in the next playthrough.
Now I hope he will get back to the demo to play the hidden dlc that opens once you beat the base game, bcuz ho boi, dlc gets crazy with the visuals.
I love you Joel but
Game: "Yes the twist it's that you play as a robot built to replicate the child that died"
Joel: "Huh??? It's a simulation? I hope it doesnt end on an open interpretation"
Joel's commentary on this was the best in a while, had me cracking up
Damn. I didn't expect it to go the way it did with the real ending. Definitely got me thinking about how "digitizing" can be pretty spooky!
2:09:00 Yeah I definitely remember that, cartoon network was wild back then! Don't forget that one episode of Cow and Chicken where there were a group of very masculine, I think they were biker ladies if I remember correctly, and there was a scene where they were eating the carpet in the house. I was too young to get the joke but I sure do now!
Joel explaining and being down to Earth, felt like chat just wanted funny fart. sucks. Love you Joel.
(Update) wowie! Thanks for the likes guys.
chat shares the same brain cell
Goddamnit chat, LET HIM COOK ! ! 💢💢
I don’t mind Joel being chill for a bit
@@SketchyRato not at all, I was so down for it and it felt like chat was rushing him out of it. Maybe I’m reading too into it but at some part he’s being like 100% down to earth .
@@MaTaMaDia true! It’s just we normally don’t get super serious/down to earth Joel talking about STUFF. But I get why, and get the audience.
Very nice. I've been thinking of Joel going like "That is fucked up" over the you can't sleep when someone else is in your room message since lol.
hmm , it's a shame chat was being stupid , i wanted to hear what Joel was saying about AI
I agree, I felt bad because he was trying to make a genuine point.
Mother: I need you to sleep out here tonight
Joel: *walks all the way back to the house and interacts with every object and becomes confused at what to do next*
I did the same thing. It was kind of tricky at first finding the exact spot to select. I was just like “fuck you, I’m sleeping in my bed.”
Jole. Revist eyes of heaven for a nostalgia stream
Ah yes thank you Joel i needs sustenance
Almost every house my family lived in had an apple tree in the backyard
The problem with ai is the fact it replaces people who lose their jobs to greed
Ai is good for support but should never replace but of cours with the corporate culturw birthed in america that is being assimilated into every other country slowly but surely it will and politicians are too busy playing war games anf social media theater to actually do something about it
You need to play payhologic. But you need to get in a mindset halfway between a hardcore friday ( but one "hardcore" day each in game day) a spooky saturday and a desert bus kind of stream because most of the game is walking.. and streassing about the walking and the time getting.away
As much as I love Pathologic (That's what I think you meant) I'd not say it is a game for Joel or his chat.
Joel wouldn't get past day 1 in pathologic as any of the characters, he would get stressed out and being unable to goof off in the game reduces the Joel content by a significant a mount
You might both be true maybe my dream is crazy ( and I was drunk yesterday) but I also really want to see a streamer attempt it in that kind of streams. Just in case it works because if it does it will be magical
Lol the fake Icecream stealing story was really wholesome
Benadryl OD Simulator 2002
so much BENadryl you feel like you are DROWNED
A game that’s CREEPY?
That’s imPASTAble
the eeriest and scariest shit ever. got me on the edge
i totally agree about Ai joel... and i have seen a few rock/metal band's album cover nowadays use Ai (i assume)... its pretty recognizable..its look pretty good, but you know Ai art is still look like a mess if you see the detail..
i still prefer art made by real hand of an artist/painter.. its not too detail like Ai art but the aesthetic its on point.
Yeah but when you see the same style over and over again, it kinda loses bite. I mean, when you see 50 bands with a cover with the same artstyle, you will eventually get tired. like, isn't it the same of creating a professional animation on GoAnimate style?
What I'm saying is, if AI art is completely accessible by everyone, doesn't its style technically lose value?
@@MaTaMaDia yeah, but i'm not talking of the "style" as in prompted style, but as the innate style of how an AI generate a picture. even now, you can kinda see what AI generated a picture, if midjourney, Dall-E or stable. sure it can use styles it has learned with different weights, but every AI has its innate style. so what happens when you overflow the internet with it?
@@MaTaMaDia There's a major difference between fucking around with AI prompts out of intrigue and for the humor of it and actually trying to pass off putting prompts into a machine as being just as valid as real art. You can denounce AIs competing with real artists for jobs while also finding the tech really neat.
The only point that can really be made is Vinny using AI art for Realign's cover, but that was back when AI art was known for being blurry dreamlike messes that are pretty indistinguishable compared to how AI art can now relatively accurately mimic the art styles of artists whose art they have been trained on.
50:45 that’s not how that works…..
I keep getting duende recommendations on RUclips now.....what have you done
Kinda unfortunate that Joel just dropped the subject because people memed on him saying Scorn. Hope he didn't actually think no one gave a shit about what he was saying.
It's a subject that's got a lot of discussion in academic circles recently (well at least where I'm at), but most seem to agree that AI generated aesthetic experiences will likely never substitute actual art; not only because construction of meaning is immanently communicative, but the incentive structure for dedicated consumption of art has been inseparable from how it inserts itself into particularized narrative in the entire post-auratic era. The unfortunate fact is that A LOT of aesthetical experiences are subservient to other goals and don't need to be communicative to the point of conceptual solidification, and that kind of stuff probably will be entirely replaced by AI. It's mostly terrible "art" anyway, but some great independent artists do need to churn out shitty Corporate Memphis to pay the bills. Ironically, it's the kind of visual language that AI can very easily work with (very flat, high density shapes, etc.). It is what it is, but even ero-guro-nansensu legend Shintaro Kago has to do fucking portraits to keep the lights on, while people like Murakami whore their legacy out on NFTs.
Hope Joey didn't actually get upset. I really enjoy him just shooting the shit off the top of his head.
i just gotta say, i love your comment, thank you
I might not have understood everything you said, but I do agree mostly. I didn't even realize why he didn't finish his thought initially. I was waiting for a good few seconds and... Was disappointed that it got dropped because I really wanted to hear what he was saying
For me, this AI Art feels ALOT like Tracing;
It should be used as a tool for helping learn different artstyles and such.
But in this World, where everybody wants it fast and everybody wants it now, it's fallen into the wrong hands, and it's intent is now being used, (And/or fear of being used), for Corporate Greed.
It's technology we don't deserve.
I AIN'T READING ALL THAT 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
The thought of joey putting a cork in a half finished Pepsi can is funny as fuck
I can't believe how long it took Joel to understand the premise even after it was spelled out twice.
Hoping we get The Enigma Machine at some point too. It's part of the same universe after all and is just as good
enigma mahcine was kinda pretentious, imo.
this game nails what i htink they inteded from the beginging.
the sequel to this will link to engima, but that's hardly even a game to begin with.
Spoopy youtube night sounds awesome joel
50:45 Joel commits brain crime
happy weekend for me, i was so excited for joey to play the full game after the demo
I know this is a year old but I thought this game had a pretty good story!
For those who were asking, the reason the dress moves with the hand is because of how its skin weights were painted.
When modelling a rig, you need to tell which vertex follow which bone and how much influence the bone has on that vertex. In software like Maya, skin weights are automatically updated to the closest joint if removed from one joint or given room to do so. What likely happened was the developer was painting the weights for the hand joint but either their brush briefly went over the dress or the software placed some there.
Its weird saying this but the fact it was left in gave the game a small amount of humanity to me. Dunno why but it just does.
Thanks for another good stream, joel
just realizing at 2:05 joel and vinny arent the same person wild
I've been working a little on 3d stuff lately and I've been struggling with weight painting, and seeing Mothers dress freak out, _and its fitting_ makes me strangely happy. It wasn't nice when my model freaked out like that, cus of 1 pixel of weight paint in the wrong place! lmao
relatable
Ooh. This is gonna be good!
Someone I know actually blew into my nose holes one time, and it was the most uncomfortable feeling I've ever experienced.
A small chat about AI meaning the disintegration of human life having value during mothered :^)
Was the soundtrack to this written by Boards of Canada lol
Yes
nice
I love early uploads
44:46
"pteiadь"
1:01:05
"TOM bwuasssssssss"
Man, this is such a masterfully crafted game that ruins itself by lore dumping its narrative during its "true" ending. I can't help but feel disappointed as I was so engaged in its plot. They could have communicated the father's logs via a more visual storytelling vehicle. It's such a shame, as the story's overarching commentary on the morality of the digitization of one's consciousness is so brilliantly done. This is a rare instance where I think the game would actually benefit from a director's cut; perhaps fleshing out that aforementioned ending sequence.
The funniest thing about the story about his friend confusing Vinny for him is I also thought he was Vinny at the start of this video cause autoplay and he sounded different 😂
Uncle joel
joel the uncle
Pimp my mash! I do similar stuff. I'll have to try parsley though.
Wonder if “Night of the Consumers” will be fully completed
Fear.
based artist-ally joel
Well, that plot went pretty much exactly where I thought it would go. A little too much of an exposition dump near the end though.
Joey Vscause Mothered all over the screen this time.
....but when will he play mother 3? I hope that's an incentive on a charity stream sometime soon
Yeah but have you played the prequel? Motherless, it's pretty good you should check it out
Can't wait for MOTHERED 2
I eat a lot of chocolate sometimes and I have massive breakouts of zits.... wonder if I should try avoiding chocolate for a while to test it.
Edit: I thought my zit breakout was due to stress, but honestly when I'm stressed that's when I eat the most chocolate XD hmmm....
Holy shit
ussop
@@luccifrfr2145 Rob Lucci.
You know what, Joel pronounced the title wrong before, but I think I prefer calling this game Mother Red
This game is darker than Myst. I can't even tell what's going on.
Watching this at 1:30 am. And Joel voices of the void isn't scary. Come on you can run over a dwarf grey alien with an atv my dude 😎
In modernity traditional ways of doing things will always be lost. Unless we try to keep it alive ourselves
this is probably one of my favorite modern sci-fi stories.
always a fan of self-actualization stories. and ones about the importance of hope and love.
as despairing as much of the rest of it may be, the true end really clarifies it all; mother is terrified of the machine that contains her daughter because she knows that the CORE will be irrevocably altered by the experience in the angel machine, and while she hopes, her doubts overpower them. the player and the angel and liana never do (nor can in the case of the player) perform any kind of aggressive or violent action. mother's paranoia is purely from her doubts, as reasonable as they may be. look, if you take the CORE of your tween/teenage daughter, knowing that she will almost certainly end up melding with the angel which has specific core objectives and orders it cannot deviate from, you should know what you get is what you give. and, that whatever entity arises out of that soup has just as much right to exist as anything else. it's the combination of young woman/girl and an AI that may as well be a newborn baby! they ain't gonna hurt you! why must you recoil in fear mother.
granted those involved do understand this, mother better than anyone, but that's what makes it so good. it's also a nice touch with the hint that "oh liana you used to get all over the place, especially places you weren't supposed to go!" look at that folks, somebody Thought about this a bit
the mother speaks in cbat
HE RED
This game looks like the filter on my dreams
"Joel..." the game
G E T M O T H E R E D 🤯
New joey video dropped 🤯🤯
I got smothered.
very much
The last guy i saw play this didn't read any of the memories, so I had no clue wtf the story was. But Joel read them, even if he's too Swedish meatbrain to understand it, and now it makes sense I think maybe! Except that they say it in the most complicated-ass way to make it all confusing.
Liana has a terminal illness, so her dad makes robot lolis to try to put her soul in so she'll live forever. But the robot lolis keep developing their own souls that fight with Liana's, so they abort them before they think they count as people. Every time they kill off a robot loli they put Liana's soul in a new one and try again.
Problem is they were wrong; the robot lolis' souls are still around, and the robot lolis + Liana unite into a hive mind. I think the robot lolis kick Liana out, hence "we don't need you anymore", and the father just sort of finally accepts that his daughter is gone and he has a Terminator now.
I have no clue how they schedule the same week over and over right down to the storm, and that's probably why Joel assumed this was a virtual reality and not regular reality.
EDIT: The not-exactly-a-sequel hidden in the demo is more like a meta self-parody - you the player went back to earlier times (demo), so the game is about the Angel and/or Liana going back mentally to previous times. In particular, the entire orchard is erased and the mother says "I know you always hated that part" in response to everyone finding that very tedious
lolis does not mean what u think it means especially in this context
@@NovaOrionAstra Nnnnno I'm pretty sure it means exactly what I used it for.
I don't think it's quite like that. I believe that, as the memory leaks said, the interface can't develop a soul on its own, hence the installation of the CORE. However, it is programmed to obey commands and nothing else and thus rejects Liana and her free will. Once again referring to the leaks, that damages the CORE (which can be copied, so the damage doesn't carry over between cycles) and the result of the process will not be the Liana her parents knew, so they kill the robot while they still can pretend it's not sentient and try again.
In the secret ending, the interface bugs out for whatever reason (probably Liana's influence), violating the instruction not to enter the basement. It not having a valid instruction to follow gives the merge enough time to progress to the point where Liana exercises agency and (through a lucky accident, perhaps) provides that push the interface needed to become sentient itself. The merge completes with the help of past memories, and the sentient android leaves the basement. The meaning of "we do not need you anymore" is not quite clear to me, but it could refer to Mother, seeing the overwhelming need to be with her displayed when the game proceeds normally.
Lolis?
Josh dude=\ Man your friend manlybadasshero played it perfectly
can you triple jump tho
this game is a migraine simulator
Why did anyone feel the need to remother this game? It seems fine just the way it is!
I remember The Lighthouse. It's in my list of favorite Joel LPs.
Joel should watch Skinamarink
La traducción literal es "madreado"??????
i love this game silent hill from 1999.. cool games.
This is more like an linear interactive horror story than a game, but it's very well-done
Having played it personally finally, I think I was a bit off on that assessment. It's great!
.... Is Joey being serious about not getting the story?
I just learned about the term "emotionel incest" today... About how parents uses their kids, not as sexual but as emotionel partners. This reminded me about that. Kids being confronted and pressured into listening to things not meant for them.
So, nothing like incest, then.
Borno statue
55:37
2:09:54
hollow utopia
aw hell nah the character you play as has my birth name I got jumpscared by joel saying it reading the subtitles in the beginning
1:20:35
2:20:56 And again you poke fun at the Danes! Svenske røvhul! 🤣
I can't find the original stream. Can anyone tell me which stream he played it in?
Latest
@@berbtheherb Original as in when he played the Demo.
Nvm, figured it out: Spooky Sat: Haunted PS1 2022 ( Part 3 ), @3:45:04
ah yes Chrimbo time