Post-Production Comments :3 This video took a while took make, sorry about that! There were a few funny bloopers that (accidentally) made their way into the final cut, including me hitting my mic (silly me) and me somehow describing Hanbin's rotation entirely wrong (whoops, must have been tired while writing the script). One question I know will be asked a lot, "Is Juno a Main Support or Flex Support?" The answer is that we don't really know yet. MS vs FS is decided entirely based upon meta patterns, basically what's played more often. If Juno is played the most with Main Support heroes, she will be considered a Flex Support, and vice versa. In the case of the Brig Juno meta, it has been team dependent. Falcons have their MS on Juno while Zeta have their FS on Juno. Right now, Ana+Juno, Kiri+Juno, and Brig+Juno are all viable options. If all three stay as relatively viable options, Juno could end up in a similar position as Tracer, where both MS and FS players will be excepted to learn her. Time will decide where she lands. Another note relating to the title of this video: I am referring to "Brawl" as any composition that primarily plays for Brawl in the mid-fight and has speed capability. Something such as Sig+Genji+Ashe+Bap+Brig would be a "Slow" composition. I prefer to refer to "Poke" as "Slow" because it is a better descriptor, not all slower compositions actually want to extend the poke phase of the fight, it depends on the situation. I might cover the topic of composition names in a future video. One more thing: I understand that many people were upset about my first Juno video and have questioned my credibility, something important to note is that during that video I stated it was a Hypothesis and even put the definition of "Hypothesis" on the screen. It was nothing more than an early impression and I made that very clear during the video, stating, "Everything in this video could be wrong" at the end of the video. If I make early judgements in the future, I will try to make it more clear, but remember that the 1st video was an early take ^_^ If I ever say something incorrect, I will always come back and correct myself later once more evidence is available for review. Anyways, thanks for the continued support, I really appreciate it! Working on a PGE video for the next one, this time a redemption arc! :3
whoever is trying to discredit u can go d*e! ur amazing and ur commentary and analysis are always so entertaining and helpful to watch. OW is a team game with so many individual kits that are constantly being balanced, an early hypothesis or observation is never a bad thing especially if you re-examine that take later on after new info has come up. Love u ocie and im excited to finally watch this!
Can’t wait for my two GOATS of Overwatch content to making a video together! (you should 100% reach out to PGE for comment as I do believe he would love to help make a video on himself hahaha and also he watches your videos 😊😊
Id say there one of the two creators who keep me constantly excited for owcs The other one I cannot remember name of but me makes much less serious content more "fun highlights with insanely specific jokes"
i know it’s not the point of the video per se, but proper being able to capitalize so much on the trap plays and surprise element that falcons set up is super impressive
Annotation: falcons played Flankwatch with proper being a madman being completely solo on some flanks, trusting that he will kill somebody or get a huge dyna (because hes him) falcons played the ult trades very well. Using ults to counter some ults, and making sure to not get Q happy falcons werent scared to die or give up a pick in order to have a advantage in the fight. Hanbin bait w Tips: Blizzard destroys Annihilation Juno ult is HUGE Ram can survive for a long time with block, shield, and Annihilation (reply with your thoughts, and add on to what ive said) yuh
With the way that falcons play off of proper flanking, it makes me think that soldier could be decent on some maps to enable that further. Worse ultimate for sure, but you are able to set up those flanks wayy faster
I think the only issue is other DPS just Offer more value consistently in ways while soldiers kinda just Decent at everything not the best at anything@@nerdherder9340
Ocie is the reason I am at all interested in how this game is played at a pro level, thank you so much for breaking things down and making them understandable even to newer players like me ❤
I love playing Brig but i also have found Juno+Lucio being extremely fun as a kind of hyperrush comp. Throw a Rein at the mix and you have an insane deathball but heals can be a bit low. It is super fun though.
I know you’re burnt out and more busy, but this was actually probably my favourite video of yours, so don’t worry, the quality is top tier as always. Take your time and don’t rush
NEW OCIE ANALYSIS YIPPIE I’ll be honest, you’re the only keeping me interested in the pro scene and kinda also overwatch as a whole, THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE And don’t worry about posting too many videos, I know the algorithm is a god that should not be messed with but so is burn out, I know we will pop out of our little caves as soon as new vid drops so DONT WORRY
I really appreciated this video as someone in a very amateur team, especially the part at the end, super helpful! My one piece of feedback is just about the title- it made me expect a focus on how to play/position specifically brig & juno for this composition. Maybe something along the lines of The Juno-Brig brawl - ultimate planning & angles would be more accurate? Anyways thanks for making great content!
Juno+Ana is still probably my fav support combo but I can see how Brig can be more effective on some maps and team comps. She can peel for Juno with armor packs, and can be more mobile thanks to Juno’s speed ring enabling her to make plays for the team. Plus that brawly play-style can work since her ult will enable teammates to engage in close combat.
Idk about anyone else but the juno speed ring has been more obnoxious the lucios speed, it has made killing anyone with juno speed so much more difficult than it has to be
He's definitely not top 500 I'm barely mid diamond/peak masters S9 and yeah it's annoying but they still die to me in the end if they don't get peeled. Top 500s I assume have way better aim than me
this is why im so happy for Juno being added, as a brig main it was frustrating playing with brawl comp especially when my other support picked Lucio, so id be forced to switch. With Juno that's not a problem anymore
take your time with the vids, just started college myself and OHMYGOD theres so much shit to get done absolutely no sweat if uni takes up more time than making videos it's 10000% understandable
great video, i will try to be more thoughtful of using my ultimates in game, especially since i main lucio. also, the caffeine withdrawal is so real tbh
I wonder why you think teams are opting to put their flex support on brig and their main support on juno instead of the other way around. Is it just to try and spread the workload so fs don’t have to add another hero to their roster? Or is it a remnant of the juno ana comp? Both maybe?
I need a video on Viol2t because I keep hearing he’s the Goat and one of the best current supports, but the only things I ever see from him is the biggest throws on the planet and his team losing. Is it just biased broadcasting favouring the fails?
Furi music around the 10 min mark was a good choice, the song being "Wisdome of rage" by Waveshaper if I'm not mistaken. However with this said I wish when people used music in general they went out of their way to credit it since not everyone will know what it is and after all you are using someone else's work. (Sorry if it was but as of making this comment I didn't see it anywhere and felt like I might as well make this for those who were interested in it)
while i do think junos speed is a bit overtuned, i cant deny that these comps are really fun as a spectator lmao definitely prefer juno brig ram over the ana dva comp, this is still high-octane and chaotic while feeling somewhat more "honest," for whatever thats worth lol
Mainly, she doesn't have any way to generate immediate bursts of distance with, and is also rather prone to trying to protect a teammate only to get switched onto and die. Beyond that, her speed-ring is a major part of how Ram comps play teamfights, so she can't really save it for protecting her allies.
Post-Production Comments :3
This video took a while took make, sorry about that! There were a few funny bloopers that (accidentally) made their way into the final cut, including me hitting my mic (silly me) and me somehow describing Hanbin's rotation entirely wrong (whoops, must have been tired while writing the script). One question I know will be asked a lot, "Is Juno a Main Support or Flex Support?" The answer is that we don't really know yet. MS vs FS is decided entirely based upon meta patterns, basically what's played more often. If Juno is played the most with Main Support heroes, she will be considered a Flex Support, and vice versa. In the case of the Brig Juno meta, it has been team dependent. Falcons have their MS on Juno while Zeta have their FS on Juno. Right now, Ana+Juno, Kiri+Juno, and Brig+Juno are all viable options. If all three stay as relatively viable options, Juno could end up in a similar position as Tracer, where both MS and FS players will be excepted to learn her. Time will decide where she lands.
Another note relating to the title of this video: I am referring to "Brawl" as any composition that primarily plays for Brawl in the mid-fight and has speed capability. Something such as Sig+Genji+Ashe+Bap+Brig would be a "Slow" composition. I prefer to refer to "Poke" as "Slow" because it is a better descriptor, not all slower compositions actually want to extend the poke phase of the fight, it depends on the situation. I might cover the topic of composition names in a future video.
One more thing: I understand that many people were upset about my first Juno video and have questioned my credibility, something important to note is that during that video I stated it was a Hypothesis and even put the definition of "Hypothesis" on the screen. It was nothing more than an early impression and I made that very clear during the video, stating, "Everything in this video could be wrong" at the end of the video. If I make early judgements in the future, I will try to make it more clear, but remember that the 1st video was an early take ^_^ If I ever say something incorrect, I will always come back and correct myself later once more evidence is available for review.
Anyways, thanks for the continued support, I really appreciate it! Working on a PGE video for the next one, this time a redemption arc! :3
yo who ordered the yappuchino (im joking ocie, love the content)
whoever is trying to discredit u can go d*e! ur amazing and ur commentary and analysis are always so entertaining and helpful to watch. OW is a team game with so many individual kits that are constantly being balanced, an early hypothesis or observation is never a bad thing especially if you re-examine that take later on after new info has come up. Love u ocie and im excited to finally watch this!
PGE my goat
Can’t wait for my two GOATS of Overwatch content to making a video together! (you should 100% reach out to PGE for comment as I do believe he would love to help make a video on himself hahaha and also he watches your videos 😊😊
Ocie singlehandedly keeping OWCS hype alive please don't burn out take care this video is awesome uhm have a good day 🙏🏽
Id say there one of the two creators who keep me constantly excited for owcs
The other one I cannot remember name of but me makes much less serious content more "fun highlights with insanely specific jokes"
@@temmlygaming5509 tommathan right?
@@JadeBull-zg3hb yee I think so
fake fan never heard of tommathan before
Did this guy just stutter over text
I often spent many restless nights and contemplative walks pondering on why Juno and Brig are viable in brawl. Thank you Ocie for enlightening me
Why take long healthy walks when you can play overwatch?
hanbin so strong he defied coach ocie’s narration, that’s real aura
This video turned into Proper glaze halfway thru
lmfao mad true
My wonderful goat Ocie making banger content like always ❤
Banger? I hardly know her!
i know it’s not the point of the video per se, but proper being able to capitalize so much on the trap plays and surprise element that falcons set up is super impressive
Annotation:
falcons played Flankwatch with proper being a madman being completely solo on some flanks, trusting that he will kill somebody or get a huge dyna (because hes him)
falcons played the ult trades very well. Using ults to counter some ults, and making sure to not get Q happy
falcons werent scared to die or give up a pick in order to have a advantage in the fight. Hanbin bait w
Tips:
Blizzard destroys Annihilation
Juno ult is HUGE
Ram can survive for a long time with block, shield, and Annihilation
(reply with your thoughts, and add on to what ive said) yuh
With the way that falcons play off of proper flanking, it makes me think that soldier could be decent on some maps to enable that further. Worse ultimate for sure, but you are able to set up those flanks wayy faster
GO OUTSIDE
I will only add that this is how you know pros dont play qp. If no one is dead and you only count 4 people you better start looking behind you.
I think the only issue is other DPS just
Offer more value consistently in ways while soldiers kinda just
Decent at everything not the best at anything@@nerdherder9340
@@nerdherder9340 ttk is better on ashe and burst instead of consist makes it harder to heal
hanbin and proper would look like such feeders if they weren't actually geniuses
Ocie is the reason I am at all interested in how this game is played at a pro level, thank you so much for breaking things down and making them understandable even to newer players like me ❤
This is now known as the “Bruno-Mars” back line because Juno is from mars
5:15 this play is so fun to watch i cant wait to try it myself
ocie. you’re a hero. once again. take your breaks queen, we appreciate you and all that you do. stay healthy, stay happy :)
@@tclfan0180 they’re she/her?
@@tclfan0180 oh. one of those. okay.
@@tclfan0180 you can read their bio, where their pronouns are written quite plainly.
I am transgender and working on my voice. It is difficult, sorry if that was confusing.
@@Coach_Ocie it is absolutely not confusing, you’re great the way you are :) ignorant trolls will forever stay ignorant trolls.
Placed Silver 3 this season (my first comp season) and since watching you I’m now diamond 5, going for Masters!
I love playing Brig but i also have found Juno+Lucio being extremely fun as a kind of hyperrush comp. Throw a Rein at the mix and you have an insane deathball but heals can be a bit low. It is super fun though.
Stay healthy Ocie! You’re a fantastic creator and it’s a great idea to take your time and make content only when feasible
Thanks!
17:30 chiyo waited for armour to burn then used orbital ray
i need a compilation of the breaths taken into the mic between sentences
LMFAO it's all I can hear. I cannot focus on the video
oh my god I wasn't expecting this to be 23 min. i'm so glad i stumbled across this channel, i need this kind of thing in my feed :)
damn its so much more interesting with commentary like this, I get why its basically impossible to do live but I'm enjoying these so thank you.
preparing for an amateur tournament right now and this level of insight/breakdown is invaluable. thank you ocie
Great video! I don’t think I’ve ever been more invested in a match haha
Bro made the exact video I was looking for wth lol
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I love her content, my fav coach rn
❤️오시!!
@@MRGOOGLEXD Yes. Her
@@MRGOOGLEXDdon’t question it…it doesn’t make sense sometimes
I know you’re burnt out and more busy, but this was actually probably my favourite video of yours, so don’t worry, the quality is top tier as always. Take your time and don’t rush
NEW OCIE ANALYSIS YIPPIE
I’ll be honest, you’re the only keeping me interested in the pro scene and kinda also overwatch as a whole, THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE
And don’t worry about posting too many videos, I know the algorithm is a god that should not be messed with but so is burn out, I know we will pop out of our little caves as soon as new vid drops so DONT WORRY
i love these vids so much, the care and effort you put into them is apparent
sometimes i lick play doh because i like the taste but i don’t want to eat it because then i can’t play with it
yuuuup twin
Just attach a string on it, then fish it out after you eat it
@@PUMPKIN-MAN2491 hey so i ate the string as well what now
@@chawa559 if you're a religious person, pray
If not, I'll find someone to pray for you
2:18 WHAT IS GOING ON
I really appreciated this video as someone in a very amateur team, especially the part at the end, super helpful!
My one piece of feedback is just about the title- it made me expect a focus on how to play/position specifically brig & juno for this composition. Maybe something along the lines of The Juno-Brig brawl - ultimate planning & angles would be more accurate? Anyways thanks for making great content!
Juno+Ana is still probably my fav support combo but I can see how Brig can be more effective on some maps and team comps. She can peel for Juno with armor packs, and can be more mobile thanks to Juno’s speed ring enabling her to make plays for the team. Plus that brawly play-style can work since her ult will enable teammates to engage in close combat.
Idk about anyone else but the juno speed ring has been more obnoxious the lucios speed, it has made killing anyone with juno speed so much more difficult than it has to be
But you’re top 500. How can you not compensate for it? That’s sus.
I mean that’s just the consequence of having speed boosts in an fps. Definitely annoying but just requires more focus than normal
There’s no way you’re t500 and can’t kill someone thats speed boosted
He's definitely not top 500 I'm barely mid diamond/peak masters S9 and yeah it's annoying but they still die to me in the end if they don't get peeled. Top 500s I assume have way better aim than me
Skill issue
Its so interesting how they use Hanbin as bait so often, such a crucial part of the team to play with.
My amateur team been hard grinding OWCS studying and I’ve been desperate for this kind of video you’re the best
Zeta went in playing overwatch while Falcons set up 4D chess.
I don't even play this game anymore, but it's always a pleasure to see you upload!
this is why im so happy for Juno being added, as a brig main it was frustrating playing with brawl comp especially when my other support picked Lucio, so id be forced to switch. With Juno that's not a problem anymore
Team Falcons was just out here walking the dog
Another Ocie banger 🗣🗣🔥🔥
I love your videos and I can't wait to see what this one has in store! :3
I love Ocie videos, please don't burn yourself out💪🏽
This content is amazing
Zeta playing chess and falcons playing risk
All there screaming got me dead haha. Nice video 🗿🧚🫡
take your time with the vids, just started college myself and OHMYGOD theres so much shit to get done
absolutely no sweat if uni takes up more time than making videos it's 10000% understandable
Good analysis, but the vid is less about what Brig adds here and more how Hanbin is 🐐 ed
The GOAT with yet another banger 🔥
DUDE PROPER IS ACTUALLY SO GOOD
yayyy coachi ocie video!! Yippee yippee
Great video as always, keep the good work man❤
The visual clutter after the Juno ults at 02:18:00 is nuts
How does the play style and role of brig change in this comp? Does she go from a protective ana pocket to extra ram damage?
Another rare flex-flex meta? I like it.
Take care of yourself Ocie!! Thank you for great content as always:3
i love your content coach 💜💜 my goat Ocie :3
Great video. I think editing out those gasps would make the overall quality go way up though
i was never interested in the pro scene, but honestly your videos are very fun to watch, i am now a little interested
great video, i will try to be more thoughtful of using my ultimates in game, especially since i main lucio. also, the caffeine withdrawal is so real tbh
Yesssss more Ocie
I love the FURI OST in the background of the videos, keep it up.
Furi OST is so awesome and cool :3
I really like how flexible Juno is. She's very much like Kiri in that she can be slotted into almost any comp.
Love the Super Metroid ost in the bg lol
I love your analysis, keep doing them
the illari swap is not a panic swap. its because u can get a very good pilon angle on the last point. its a calculated swap due to how the spawn is.
I wonder why you think teams are opting to put their flex support on brig and their main support on juno instead of the other way around. Is it just to try and spread the workload so fs don’t have to add another hero to their roster? Or is it a remnant of the juno ana comp? Both maybe?
Appreciate the video!
That asmr at the start of the video is making me feel things for you
Banger as always
You’re killing it man, love the videos! Keep it up dude 😎
Yeah, i love her!
Ocie is one of my favourite coaches rn
오시 사링해❤️
woohoo ocie is back :>
would def go Zar for my brig & Juno for an extra level of protection and a bubble cleanse for them tbh with that comp
The goat Ocie ❤
Proper like twilight on Ana this mega with these flanks😂
love the katana zero music:33
Very good quality, 👍
peak content as per usual.
I need a video on Viol2t because I keep hearing he’s the Goat and one of the best current supports, but the only things I ever see from him is the biggest throws on the planet and his team losing. Is it just biased broadcasting favouring the fails?
I RECOGNIZE THE MUSIC IN THE INTRO YESSIR
Furi music around the 10 min mark was a good choice, the song being "Wisdome of rage" by Waveshaper if I'm not mistaken. However with this said I wish when people used music in general they went out of their way to credit it since not everyone will know what it is and after all you are using someone else's work. (Sorry if it was but as of making this comment I didn't see it anywhere and felt like I might as well make this for those who were interested in it)
14:12 why did zeta completl;ey forget about the ramatra lol
what about juno kiri ? seems a bit better into brawl, bc there isnt smth the brawl can just run on as easily
also makes blizz less scaryy
Great video!
THE BRUNO MARS META 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wisdom of rage hype
I fucking love these videos so much
Oh I know what's wrong with my Ramattra now! ... I don't have Proper on my team lol
banger per usual
We are in such a fun meta rn its great
while i do think junos speed is a bit overtuned, i cant deny that these comps are really fun as a spectator lmao definitely prefer juno brig ram over the ana dva comp, this is still high-octane and chaotic while feeling somewhat more "honest," for whatever thats worth lol
I’d much rather watch dive, then immortal ram.
im playing for my collage national team we run these comps mainly ana juno
Do you think Juno needs nerfs at this point since she’s defining the meta? What would you change about her if you could?
I have a question, if they counter your Juno/brig comp what should you switch to
There isn't a stronger composition at the moment. Nothing beats Juno Brig on the maps where Juno Brig is strong.
As a Brig otp, I’m so happy that Juno allows Brig to be viable in brawl. Now I’m not gonna be throwing nearly as much 😂
Stay healthy, mentally and physically!
So does this make Juno a flex support?
Love the content
dang nice vid
probably not the place to ask but how can i get into amateur leagues? idrk how to find a team. im a diamond/masters player if it matters
Competitive overwatch discord has lft and scrims
How can juno not peel for the other support? Ik she's no brig, but what doesn't she have?
Mainly, she doesn't have any way to generate immediate bursts of distance with, and is also rather prone to trying to protect a teammate only to get switched onto and die. Beyond that, her speed-ring is a major part of how Ram comps play teamfights, so she can't really save it for protecting her allies.
I think the main thing is lack of headshot dmg, then lack of burst healing, if she had that she'd be better for peeling
@@blazefactor6849 I see I see, that makes a lot of sense actually!
Why is Juno Lucio not used competitively?
them lip smacks tho lol
why dont teams play kiri juno then? you can set the pace and your backline is pretty survivable