@@icantaimpg3d776I wonder how even these SAM Systems fare now these days given the Russians got their S400 S500 S550 systems and then again the S300 is still potent
Did you guys follow my request or not... thank you very much. You made my day, you made my weekend. Amazing story about GUIDELINE. Thanks Jason for a FEW information. You are guys the best. Best regards from Poland 🇵🇱
3:04 Rendezvous with a Thunderchief. The wiki page for the F-105 shows a shoot down possibly from the same sequence. But then there were many so who knows.
They have one of these on display in Havana at the Museum of the Revolution, beside some of the parts of the U2 they shot down. It used to be rattle canned with Cuban Chrome, but i think they have since repainted it.
SA-2 was the bane of the U.S. air force during the Vietnam war, a truly terrifying weapon. It was a demonstration of the Russian focus on highly effective air defense systems, carried through to this day with outstanding systems such as S-300, S-400, and S-500 which have no peer in the west.
@pistonssssss didn't the Soviets have also ships that supplied Haiphong port and not just the railway line networks? And they surely could have flown supplies over other countries pro-Soviet to avoid Chinese approproiation
Soviet techs went to Vietnam to help the Vietnamese operate these missiles. The Vietnamese were actually given a older version then the Soviets were using which Vietnamese people's army complained about because it didn't have good anti jamming ability.
@@icantaimpg3d776 Only to SA-2A -->B ---> F The SA-2C --- > SA-2E was a totally different evolution branch. Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
The traveling stage was under 2 tons. Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
Super. An unexpected surprise. Kind of like the missiile itself. Just occurred to me. OK,solid fuel booster. Any idea just what the ingredients are ? And then liquid fuel. With a storage tank for what,topping off ? OK,any idea just which ingredients make that up ? A system reliable enough to be used for decades. Pretty impressive.
The liquid fuel in the fuel cell was probably Tonka/R-Stoff, known in the Soviet Union as TG-02. Designed by ze Germans at the end of ww2 for the Wasserfall surface-to-air system, and then joinked after the war by the Soviets and used in a lot of rocket systems either as fuel or as igniter. No idea what the solid rocket booster uses for fuel though.
@@bami2 Hey thanks for that. I remember watching VHS videos on airplanes. And wishing I could find out about their engines,their brakes,and well,stuff. And nowadays I can watch an aircraft engine rebuild,oh,the videos out on the SR 71 just an example. Nuts and bolts stuff and I can reach out and someone like you can answer. There is a price for everything but to me that is pretty darned incredible. All the best.
The solid fuel was likely a rubberized polymer, with a ammonium perchlorate oxidizer with maybe a powdered aluminum additive to get a higher ISP, specific impulse. It would be mixed together to form a liquid which would be vacuum poured into the case with a removable mandrel to form a core . The rubberized polymers of the 50s weren't very stable, and would limit shelf life. HTPB polymers of the 70s era is more stable.
I don't have the solid fuel composition, however the liquid fuel was said to be Nitric acid as the oxidiser along with 56% kerosene and 40 % Tricresol (an inhibitor)
Složení: Okysličovadlo AK-20K je roztok oxidu dusičitého N2O4 v 98% kyselině dusičné HNO3 přibližném poměru 20% ku 80%, inhibitor neznám. - 73,4% kyselina dusičná HNO3 - 1,2 až 2,8% voda H2O - 20% oxid dusičitý N2O4 - 1,3% inhibitor kyselina fosforečná H3PO4 - 0,5% inhibitor fluorovodík HF Fluorovodík je silně žíravý a při styku s kůží nebo sliznicemi působí velmi bolestivé a špatně se hojící rány. Leptá sklo. Základní fyzikální vlastnosti: - měrná hmota při 20°C ..... 1,575 g/cm3 - bod varu ..... +49,5°C až +54°C - teplota tuhnutí (v závislosti na obsahu dusíku) ..... -61°C až -72°C Složení: Složení řeší ruská státní norma GOST 17147-80: Palivo TG-02 ( ГОСТ 17147-80: Горючее ТГ-02), Vydavatelství standardů, Moskva. Palivo TG-02 je směs trietylaminu a isomerového xylidinu. Poměr jednotlivých komponentů: - hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu ..... 50 až 52% - hmotnostní zastoupení isomerového xylidinu ..... 48 až 50% - maximální povolené hmotnostní zastoupení vody ..... 0,20 % - maximální povolené hmotnostní zastoupení mechanických příměsí ..... 0,003 % Při dlouhodobém použití paliva TG-02 (naplněné nádrže raket) nesmí v průběhu záruční doby klesnout hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu pod 49%, isomerového xylidinu pod 48% a vody nesmí být více než 0,4%. Při okamžitém použití (dalo by se to označit termínem "natankovat a odpálit") nesmí být hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu i isomerového xylidinu menší než 48%, vody více než 0,5% a mechanických příměsí více než 0,005% Základní fyzikální vlastnosti: - měrná hmotnost při 20°C ..... 0,835 až 0,855 g/cm3 - hranice varu, začátek kypění ..... +85°C - hranice varu, teplota, při níž se vypaří 99% paliva ..... +222°C - teplota úplného tuhnutí ..... -91°C - teplota samovznícení ..... +380°C - dolní hranice koncentrace pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... 1,0% - horní hranice koncentrace pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... 6,0% - dolní hranice teploty pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... -10°C - horní hranice teploty pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... +24°C Poznámka: Palivo TG-02 je samozápalné ve spojení s okysličovadlem pro raketové motory AK-20, AK-20F, AK-20K, AK-27, AK-27I a AK-27R
Wow thats a lot of rocket! in the movies it always seems like some tiny little thing is chasing planes all over the sky...that thing is like a narrow bus!lol
Gotta be pretty scary when that missile makes it onto your radar or even worse... field of view. As per usual, Jason packs a LOT of info in a clean concise manner, G'day 🦘
After SA-2's started being supplied to North Vietnam around 1965 American pilots nicknamed them 'Russian telephone poles'. I've read one early pilot report where he was puzzled by this telephone pole thing floating up towards him before passing him at high speed in a very near miss.
This much for one plane, while we can kill a human with our hands. This thing is massive I really like museums with this type of stuff it's not common to see
Just because a missile is hughe it does not mean that it can be outmanovered. The missile of the S-300PT/PS the 5V55R is 1500-1660 kg but it is so fast, and can pull so high G which in most of cases makes it impossible to defeat. Another factor that SA-2's rocket engine had long burn time = visible until the terminal phase which today's quasi ballistic missiles have only max. 10-12 sec burnout time. Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. S-300 will comes soon. ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
From which part of Australia is the narrator's accent (*)? And is it strong compared to the average Australian accent? (*)no problem to understand him, by the way.
He’s speaking with a ‘normal’ accent that isn’t very ‘strong’, but also in Brisbane, you can meet blokes who speak like this ruclips.net/video/9QCgqQdmr0M/видео.htmlsi=i3MGxPQTT1Z4UT2d
I wonder though if the SA2 was ever converted to ground usage.... apparently veteran Israeli tankers remarked how Egyptian SAM crews in desperation launcued SA2 missiles at them....
It had not to be converted because of it guidance principle it can be aimed on any point which is not under the horizon. Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
Nic není potřeba přestavovat. Sovětské (Ruské) protiletadlové rakety, mají i režim vedení palby na pozemní cíle. Na nekryté vojáky, lehce pancéřované cíle. Nejlépe na shromaždiště vojáků a techniky. Střílí se na tyto skupinové cíle tak, že se nastaví pouze azimut a dálka. U cíle se raketa zvedne kolmo nahoru a okamžitě se sklopí dolů, aby směřovala k cílové ploše kolmo dolů. Nelze zachytit přímo pozemní cíle, které nelze ozařovat naváděcím radiolokátorem. S-75 Dvina lze navádět až od výšky 1,5 km, kdy ji zachytí naváděcí radiolokátor a může přijímat řídící povely.
It is not a rumor but only the S-75M Volkhov which is not the SA-75 Dvina and only the Soviet variant could have it. Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
thank J for the video ...here in the western is this impression that soviets / Russian are idiots and they live in caves and just discover fire ....PS for all Americans fan boys take a f 22 in Siberia and try to have maintenance there , but ya TY The Australian Armour & Artillery Museum for the education
well...we likely CAN....it's whether we SHOULD or not. There's a LOT of diplomatic shenanigans and politics involved. But if push comes to shove, watch how fast we can start mass producing much better designs than this. Why spend squillions building them if we aren't going to use them within their allotted lifespan? There is little point. We just end up enriching the war profiteers......so we won't make most war materiel until we need to, which is fine by me...much better places to waste that money.
@@VincentNajger1 Well, ''push comes to shove, watch how fast we can start mass producing ''', happened about 18 months ago and there's no new production lines operating. Just lots of $Billions being shifted to Boeing, Thales and Raytheon. I think you mean the other side. Peace.
Australia developed surface to air missiles in the 1950''s, culminating in the Ikarra anti-submarine missile, widely used in several navies, including the RAN and RN. but as technology got more sophisticated, it became cheaper to buy from the USA. The only thing stopping us now are the politicians. If war comes, just you watch
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Thanks Jason, brilliant tutorial on a weapon system I had never heard of. And never thought you would have at the museum, Cheers
Love to know the story on how it ended up in Australia 🇦🇺
A lot of Soviet stuff in Western museums was either captured from Iraq or acquired after the Cold War when the old Warsaw Pact countries joined NATO.
They mentioned in an earlier video that it came from Bulgaria.
They bought it or were gifted it like many other museums around the world 🙄
Outstanding video and presentation.
I agree
Really you like SO inserted everywhere ?
@@gowdsake7103Yo, what even is SO!?
Another excellent video. Fascinating topic and information. Very well done.
Saw it in person at the museum - bigger than I expected - impressive to see after reading and watching it for so long.
Jason is a military equipment encyclopedia...Amazing!
He's written awesome books too!
A fascinating platform, basic Soviet tech that gets the job done. Thank you Jason Belgrave for this amazing walk-around.
This was cutting edge technology in the 1950s when it was commissioned
@@paulparker8298 yes, ain’t that something? More like a V2 than an M42 HIMARS.
@@paulparker8298yes but later it gets outclassed by 2K11 Krug, 2K12 Kub and S-125 Pechora/Neva
@@icantaimpg3d776I wonder how even these SAM Systems fare now these days given the Russians got their S400 S500 S550 systems and then again the S300 is still potent
I like this video because it doesn't try to be overdramatic. no annoying music either
Hear hear!!!!!
Went to the museum for my first time 2 days ago, and saw this, nice to see a video on it aswell
Good video. Thank you Jason et al. Interesting to hear that it took fourteen of these missiles to shoot down Gary Powers.
Really enjoyed your presentation thanks
really good video...thanks!
Great video Jason 👍👍👍
Very entertained and informative. Thank you!
Did you guys follow my request or not... thank you very much. You made my day, you made my weekend. Amazing story about GUIDELINE. Thanks Jason for a FEW information. You are guys the best. Best regards from Poland 🇵🇱
3:04 Rendezvous with a Thunderchief.
The wiki page for the F-105 shows a shoot down possibly from the same sequence. But then there were many so who knows.
Brilliant presentation!
They have one of these on display in Havana at the Museum of the Revolution, beside some of the parts of the U2 they shot down. It used to be rattle canned with Cuban Chrome, but i think they have since repainted it.
Great video. For Europeans, there's one on display at Militärhistorisches Museum Flugplatz Berlin-Gatow
The missile is nice and all ... but I love that prime mover.
ZiL-157 truck
Hi AusArmour. Love your work 👍
Besides U2 of Powers it was very successful in Vietnam.
We got a couple of these down the road (as well as a dummy one made of bamboo which was used as a decoy back in the day).
SA-2 was the bane of the U.S. air force during the Vietnam war, a truly terrifying weapon. It was a demonstration of the Russian focus on highly effective air defense systems, carried through to this day with outstanding systems such as S-300, S-400, and S-500 which have no peer in the west.
I wonder why the Russians didnt also send SA3 or SA4 or SA5 to Vietnam as well....
@@zhuangsaur227because of Chinese
@@pistonssssss they surely could have delivered via ships or via a non Chinese but pro Soviet friendly country?
@@zhuangsaur227 nope…. And Chinese also had people in Vietnam like Soviets does….
@pistonssssss didn't the Soviets have also ships that supplied Haiphong port and not just the railway line networks? And they surely could have flown supplies over other countries pro-Soviet to avoid Chinese approproiation
Need to get the missile up and running so people can go for a ride next festival🤣🤣👍
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Thank you for sharing
I love your channel just great and so very interesting
I just love it when people know thier shit. (And can articulate it) 👍👍
Brilliant video. Can you please do the AT-T / BAT-M tractor at the museum.
The flying telephone pole.
That's a HUGE, labor intensive rocket, but it definitely got the job done.
Really cool photos of SAM sites laid out
Soviet techs went to Vietnam to help the Vietnamese operate these missiles. The Vietnamese were actually given a older version then the Soviets were using which Vietnamese people's army complained about because it didn't have good anti jamming ability.
They did upgrade our S-75 systems later I believe
@@icantaimpg3d776 Only to SA-2A -->B ---> F
The SA-2C --- > SA-2E was a totally different evolution branch.
Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs.
ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
One of this just took me down in a mission from BMS
Thank you.
A telegraph pole sized missile weighing 2 tons with a warhead weighing nearly 200 kg .... and capable of Mach 3 flight 😮
The traveling stage was under 2 tons.
Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs.
ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
Another class commentary.
Why was the exact composition of the liquid fuel deleted?
Super. An unexpected surprise. Kind of like the missiile itself.
Just occurred to me. OK,solid fuel booster. Any idea just what the ingredients are ?
And then liquid fuel. With a storage tank for what,topping off ? OK,any idea just which ingredients make that up ? A system reliable enough to be used for decades.
Pretty impressive.
The liquid fuel in the fuel cell was probably Tonka/R-Stoff, known in the Soviet Union as TG-02. Designed by ze Germans at the end of ww2 for the Wasserfall surface-to-air system, and then joinked after the war by the Soviets and used in a lot of rocket systems either as fuel or as igniter.
No idea what the solid rocket booster uses for fuel though.
@@bami2 Hey thanks for that. I remember watching VHS videos on airplanes. And wishing I could find out about their engines,their brakes,and well,stuff. And nowadays I can watch an aircraft engine rebuild,oh,the videos out on the SR 71 just an example.
Nuts and bolts stuff and I can reach out and someone like you can answer.
There is a price for everything but to me that is pretty darned incredible.
All the best.
The solid fuel was likely a rubberized polymer, with a ammonium perchlorate oxidizer with maybe a powdered aluminum additive to get a higher ISP, specific impulse. It would be mixed together to form a liquid which would be vacuum poured into the case with a removable mandrel to form a core .
The rubberized polymers of the 50s weren't very stable, and would limit shelf life.
HTPB polymers of the 70s era is more stable.
I don't have the solid fuel composition, however the liquid fuel was said to be Nitric acid as the oxidiser along with 56% kerosene and 40 % Tricresol (an inhibitor)
Složení:
Okysličovadlo AK-20K je roztok oxidu dusičitého N2O4 v 98% kyselině dusičné HNO3 přibližném poměru 20% ku 80%, inhibitor neznám.
- 73,4% kyselina dusičná HNO3
- 1,2 až 2,8% voda H2O
- 20% oxid dusičitý N2O4
- 1,3% inhibitor kyselina fosforečná H3PO4
- 0,5% inhibitor fluorovodík HF
Fluorovodík je silně žíravý a při styku s kůží nebo sliznicemi působí velmi bolestivé a špatně se hojící rány. Leptá sklo.
Základní fyzikální vlastnosti:
- měrná hmota při 20°C ..... 1,575 g/cm3
- bod varu ..... +49,5°C až +54°C
- teplota tuhnutí (v závislosti na obsahu dusíku) ..... -61°C až -72°C
Složení:
Složení řeší ruská státní norma GOST 17147-80: Palivo TG-02 ( ГОСТ 17147-80: Горючее ТГ-02), Vydavatelství standardů, Moskva.
Palivo TG-02 je směs trietylaminu a isomerového xylidinu.
Poměr jednotlivých komponentů:
- hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu ..... 50 až 52%
- hmotnostní zastoupení isomerového xylidinu ..... 48 až 50%
- maximální povolené hmotnostní zastoupení vody ..... 0,20 %
- maximální povolené hmotnostní zastoupení mechanických příměsí ..... 0,003 %
Při dlouhodobém použití paliva TG-02 (naplněné nádrže raket) nesmí v průběhu záruční doby klesnout hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu pod 49%, isomerového xylidinu pod 48% a vody nesmí být více než 0,4%.
Při okamžitém použití (dalo by se to označit termínem "natankovat a odpálit") nesmí být hmotnostní zastoupení trietylaminu i isomerového xylidinu menší než 48%, vody více než 0,5% a mechanických příměsí více než 0,005%
Základní fyzikální vlastnosti:
- měrná hmotnost při 20°C ..... 0,835 až 0,855 g/cm3
- hranice varu, začátek kypění ..... +85°C
- hranice varu, teplota, při níž se vypaří 99% paliva ..... +222°C
- teplota úplného tuhnutí ..... -91°C
- teplota samovznícení ..... +380°C
- dolní hranice koncentrace pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... 1,0%
- horní hranice koncentrace pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... 6,0%
- dolní hranice teploty pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... -10°C
- horní hranice teploty pro vzplanutí par ve vzduchu ..... +24°C
Poznámka:
Palivo TG-02 je samozápalné ve spojení s okysličovadlem pro raketové motory AK-20, AK-20F, AK-20K, AK-27, AK-27I a AK-27R
Impressive looking missile
Wow thats a lot of rocket! in the movies it always seems like some tiny little thing is chasing planes all over the sky...that thing is like a narrow bus!lol
Any time I hear anything about missiles, I can't not think of the video about how a missile knows where it is 🤣
This thing gave allied pilots hell, ive heard it looked like a telephone pole flying at you.
Gotta be pretty scary when that missile makes it onto your radar or even worse... field of view. As per usual, Jason packs a LOT of info in a clean concise manner, G'day 🦘
After SA-2's started being supplied to North Vietnam around 1965 American pilots nicknamed them 'Russian telephone poles'. I've read one early pilot report where he was puzzled by this telephone pole thing floating up towards him before passing him at high speed in a very near miss.
Uses the Tonka Hypergol combination from WWII
0:28 This is not a parade on May day, this is a parade on Victory Day (May 9)!
ДвинА (Dvina) - river
Would look good parked in my driveway
I think this missile exhibit and the truck were in service in Bulgarian People’s Army and Bulgarian Army.
Top commentary
Excellent
Fascinating, thanks. Used in the Arab-Israeli wars?
I have Loading the Rocket from TLF to Ramp in 70 seconds! ( GDR Armee )
This much for one plane, while we can kill a human with our hands. This thing is massive I really like museums with this type of stuff it's not common to see
Looks like a Low rent Nike Hurcules with out the dial a yield Nuke 😉
I would more interested in the story how you managed to get hold of it..... ?!!!
Very common weapon system used all over the USSR and allies. After the breakup I'm sure they were cheap as surplus.
To operate a Guideline... You need a guideline to guide the Guideline
That missile is HUGE, no wonder jet pilots could outmaneuver it
Just because a missile is hughe it does not mean that it can be outmanovered. The missile of the S-300PT/PS the 5V55R is 1500-1660 kg but it is so fast, and can pull so high G which in most of cases makes it impossible to defeat. Another factor that SA-2's rocket engine had long burn time = visible until the terminal phase which today's quasi ballistic missiles have only max. 10-12 sec burnout time.
Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs. S-300 will comes soon.
ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
The most dangerous flying telephone pole....
Why 4pm HK time
From which part of Australia is the narrator's accent (*)? And is it strong compared to the average Australian accent?
(*)no problem to understand him, by the way.
You could find an accent like that anywhere in Australia.
He’s speaking with a ‘normal’ accent that isn’t very ‘strong’, but also in Brisbane, you can meet blokes who speak like this ruclips.net/video/9QCgqQdmr0M/видео.htmlsi=i3MGxPQTT1Z4UT2d
Just an aussie.
He's got a fairly broad Aussie accent.
Thank you lads! 👍
I wonder though if the SA2 was ever converted to ground usage.... apparently veteran Israeli tankers remarked how Egyptian SAM crews in desperation launcued SA2 missiles at them....
It had not to be converted because of it guidance principle it can be aimed on any point which is not under the horizon.
Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs.
ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
Nic není potřeba přestavovat. Sovětské (Ruské) protiletadlové rakety, mají i režim vedení palby na pozemní cíle. Na nekryté vojáky, lehce pancéřované cíle. Nejlépe na shromaždiště vojáků a techniky. Střílí se na tyto skupinové cíle tak, že se nastaví pouze azimut a dálka. U cíle se raketa zvedne kolmo nahoru a okamžitě se sklopí dolů, aby směřovala k cílové ploše kolmo dolů.
Nelze zachytit přímo pozemní cíle, které nelze ozařovat naváděcím radiolokátorem. S-75 Dvina lze navádět až od výšky 1,5 km, kdy ji zachytí naváděcí radiolokátor a může přijímat řídící povely.
1:10 ...rumor has it that it was a nuclear airburst...
It is not a rumor but only the S-75M Volkhov which is not the SA-75 Dvina and only the Soviet variant could have it.
Here is a far more detailed one, you can find more about other Soviet SAMs.
ruclips.net/video/noYxsLqSMjI/видео.html
Must finish me Trumpeter 1/35th kit
Czyli już czas na karpia skoro już królowie czekają
A challenge try getting through 5 min without saying SO!
good for a bunny shot.
Cheiftan wishes he knew as much as this bloke.
It gave the Israelis quite a headache.
Интересно! А у нас в Питере, в Артиллерийском музее, нет "Найк-Геркулеса"! У российских олигархов денег не хватило, чтобы купить?
Captin Ding Dong Wang
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Flying telephone pole?
thank J for the video ...here in the western is this impression that soviets / Russian are idiots and they live in caves and just discover fire ....PS for all Americans fan boys take a f 22 in Siberia and try to have maintenance there , but ya TY The Australian Armour & Artillery Museum for the education
S75(Sam 2 Vietnam war . killer B52 american )
Raketat Ruse. Kemi. Pasur dy grupeve.
So not interested in glorifying anything to do with that heinous regime.
Thanks for answering a question nobody asked. I hope that medal for virtue arrives some day
Yet "simple farmers" defeating US myth still persists.
If only the U.S. would stop attacking simple Farmers!
You're wrong, it's TWO different kinds of "simple farmers" that defeated the US. Keep coping m8.
@@ponysaurusrex5008
YANKEE GO HOME !
Well the NLF/VC was for the most part, militia level equipments and were largely farmers
So we have this in a museam. But can't build them ourselves to shoot down ballistic missiles. I call BS. BS man here. Got some BS.
well...we likely CAN....it's whether we SHOULD or not. There's a LOT of diplomatic shenanigans and politics involved. But if push comes to shove, watch how fast we can start mass producing much better designs than this. Why spend squillions building them if we aren't going to use them within their allotted lifespan? There is little point. We just end up enriching the war profiteers......so we won't make most war materiel until we need to, which is fine by me...much better places to waste that money.
@@VincentNajger1 Well, ''push comes to shove, watch how fast we can start mass producing ''', happened about 18 months ago and there's no new production lines operating.
Just lots of $Billions being shifted to Boeing, Thales and Raytheon.
I think you mean the other side.
Peace.
Australian developed ground to air missiles in the 1950's.
@@keithammleter3824 what are they called i will google that
Australia developed surface to air missiles in the 1950''s, culminating in the Ikarra anti-submarine missile, widely used in several navies, including the RAN and RN. but as technology got more sophisticated, it became cheaper to buy from the USA.
The only thing stopping us now are the politicians. If war comes, just you watch
It blew a lot of f-105 thunderchiefs and b52 bombers out of the sky during the Vietnam war!