My dad wanted to enlist after Pearl Harbor but his 2 brothers had already enlisted so they didn’t want him. He kept coming back until they finally gave in and did though. He joined the Army. He was captured during the Battle of the Bulge and presumed dead for many months. When our forces managed to free the POWs from the train cars they found him and he was finally sent home with severe PTSD. I didn’t ask him about his time in the war much because I figured it was traumatic and he told me joining the army was the worst mistake he ever made. I think our troops have worse PTSD because we’re always in the thick of it and when they come home they get treated like garbage and don’t get the care they need. They self medicate with drugs and alcohol more often than not. I’ve seen the self medication that went on at the local VFW. I felt like I grew up there. I’ve been to the VA and seen the deplorable conditions and overcrowding in the maze of a building. Maybe if our government didn’t treat our troops like disposable toy soldiers they would fare better. Lord knows they deserve so much better than they get. They deserve not to have to worry that they won’t be taken care of when they need it. They deserve to know they will have a roof over their heads. They deserve not to have to fight for those his own country for the very things that were promised to him by it.
The rich and politicians in office view soldiers like animals. There's literally a quote by a man in office I forgot who unfortunately, who said soldiers were subhuman. The political goons and the wealthy can go abroad and fight their own battles as far as I'm concerned. Glorifying war and Army life is a disservice to those unwitting enough to bear arms for a country that couldn't care less about them.
It''s not possible for people today to relate to Fragging. This video attempts to cover way to many issues to accurately address the circumstance. Pure and simple, approximately 20% of the field officer KIA's were from Fragging. The reason the officers (routinely 2nd lieutenants) were Fragged was from stupidity and inexperience. An example would be allowing their ego to dictate orders that were absolutely going to get soldiers killed, and the soldiers knew it. An example of a Fragging would be, while in the field, and no independent witnesses, a fishing treble hook would be tag-wired to a grenade with one hook facing out. The pin would be pulled, the hook would be slammed into the officers back, and the spoon released. It made no difference what the officer would do, he couldn't reach the grenade. Vietnam became a war managed by LBJ and R.S. McNamara from Washington. Right down to the insertion of individual platoons. Big Surprise. The GRUNTS retaliated.
A friends older brother went to nam & told how their squad lieutenant who was not a leader kept taking & volunteering for worst assignments that he didn't have to deploy on! Friends brother knew when he heard Lt. somehow got killed in camp, he said he still felt bad even though men died for his reputation. He blamed the body count demanded by the brass orders who were less involved than the Lt.
What’s wild is I know an old geezer that was in Vietnam. He has a story where one of the lower guys( i don’t know the rankings) was on Guard duty. He was crooked so him and another soldier set him straight but as they were walking away he shot the other soldier in the back and then killed himself. The guy who was shot in the back also died.
When did "old geezer" become a term of respect? Or did you mean to insult a man who is likely on the opposite side of the "gave more/took more to/from his Country" spectrum than you are?
@@SnickC13 yeah we don’t know the guy might get called that all the time and it’s basically his nickname or he thinks it’s funny. Who knows. Now if the guy is 32 and just finished his third deployment and it’s a middle schooler that typed this then yeah no.
Inaccurate, misleading and extremely biased. The number of fragging incidents is recorded and not hard to find…I’d try DOD first and other usual suspects. I know the numbers and they’re shocking, shockingly low and considering 2.5 million served that would be a frag rate of about 0.00004-5. That’s the number of troops caught, or charged(caught not always charged) and includes those convicted. So why the history lesson and inferring misleading information that’s exaggerated and has been an issue to all armies for the past 2,000 years.
@@jamesmadison9244 I get very frustrated (polite, PC word I'm using here vs what I really want to say) regarding movies(and Media) and their influence along with credibility which is assumed by the majority of viewers. I agree with you that a lot of people take movie content as fact. For instance, RUclips is a great forum to inform and entertain...and most anyone can upload material, even grammar school students posting their projects for a better grade. Sadly, RUclips doesn't fact check at all -- it would be a huge effort that would probably bankrupt them. However, they must use something to ensure that material is PC acceptable. At any rate, I've never seen so much inaccurate, misleading information accepted and believed as fact regarding history as on RUclips...it's disheartening. Just a title alone, such as the one that is used here -- who needs to watch the video when the title gives many a basis to a belief that isn't true. Thanks for reading and commenting.
My great uncle was only 35 when he died he left behind a wife and 5 kids. 2 of them committed suicide because of their father death. Our family is forever changed, it feels empty. I never met my grandpa great uncle or his children who committed suicide. I can only hear story's of them from my grandma and when she's gone that's it.
I learned that term years ago. They show in the ending titles for National Lampoon's Animal House for Douglas C. Niedermayer (Mark Metcalf): "Killed in Vietnam by his own troops."
My father is a Vietnam veteran. When he was in Vietnam 1969 to 1970, and as a part of an Airborne unit. Fragging wasn't part of the deal. My father's words, not mine. " You needed every man in a combat unit. The NVA didn't care what color your skin is, or what rank you were. As far as the NVA was concerned. We were all Americans. And there fore, the enemy." In my father's unit, they had went through 3 Platoon leaders during his time in Vietnam. The first platoon leader finished his 6 months in an infantry platoon. And was routated to the rear for an administrative position. The next platoon leader ended up getting himself and half the platoon sick. By eating with the locals. The last platoon leader made it till my father completed his tour in Vietnam. My father then caught what was called your freedom flight home. So my father never found out knew what happened to that last platoon leader. Nor did he care to find out. From my understanding and what little research i have done. Fragging was more of a problem rear echelon units, not so much in combat units.
@@adsl_7654 should have said rear echelon units. These would be military units like administration, supply, Military Police, basically anyone in the military that is not in a combat arm. Infantry, Armor, or Artillery.
Dude he killed his buddy because he was scared, had a baby with a 14 yo, escaped prison and abandoned his two daughters. How can anybody support him wtf???
Can grantee your a true stand up fella!! My grandfather is a vet, what I’d of given to of been brought up under his guidance I couldn’t imagine how sharp of a man I’d be today. Not that I am downing myself whatsoever man I’m just stating it’s obvious to be being raised by him would’ve been much more rewarding.
You're so wrong about the rifles. The M4 is superior in every way. The Russians haven't used AK 47s in decades. They switched to the AK 74 with the 545 round similar to our 556. The smaller bullet at higher speeds tumbles in the body and causes awful wounds. In Afghanistan though, the firefights were at farther distances and used 308 rounds using even old M14s until they could get better 308s.
By seer statistical standers sure. But the ak47 is superior by which it is versatile it can be used for recon,defense, counter pushes, offensives, and in any terrain not to mention it is arguably the most reliable gun so in some ways yes you are right but the ak47 is still not doubt better
I always wondered why Nam vets specifically refused to speak about what happened over there, and as an adult, I understand. I don't condone or agree with the things that happened over there, but I understand.
I threatened the Cheif of the motorpool once. Sent me and my friends on a doomed mission. I warned him before we left to swap out equipment because the 5 ton I personally deadlined. His lazy behind made us go like that. We almost died. When I got back days later and drained I seen him and came alive with anger. Told him if I ever found out he sent a mission out without due diligence I'd come back to see him off. Sometimes its necessary to check those little pretty boys before their arrogance gets you killed. We almost died to pick up a blown up truck that was sitting just fine at another FOB.
@@bigjerm460that’s good he doesn’t have YT PLUS 😂😅that’s a shame to yall paying every month for something you can get for free but you guys will pay anything just like a puppet 😂WATCH THEM RAISE IT AGAIN $ yikes
The primary reason was that orders would come in that would counter intel. The intel would say " Don't go in this area. There are 500k enemy soldiers here. " Then an order from the white house would show up saying " Take 25 men and go to the area. " An instead of questioning the order. The men on the ground would FOLLOW ORDERS. Only to have all 25 men killed by an over whelming force. You see real time ground Intel took a week to make it back to DC. Because four departments have to CONFIRM the intel.
Black soldiers had 16 seconds to live in Vietnam. They were killed by racist people from their own company and and had to worry about Vietnam soldiers. Look it up. They need Reparations!!
@@taylorrenee4880 it was actually a case of wrong place wrong time. The guy who did it was targeting there officer and took about 5 people with him then killed himself. It was many people sleeping in the tent at the time. But cool assumption
Lol I love this narrators videos.. I never hear a mistake in the work until today @ the 1:16:14 mark, “He threw A.W. Across his SOLDIERS” lol I’m sry I don’t like my attentiveness to mistakes. I use can’t help it. STILL LOVE THE VIDEOS & THE NARRATION. A lot of the time they make me laugh uncontrollably…
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My dad wanted to enlist after Pearl Harbor but his 2 brothers had already enlisted so they didn’t want him. He kept coming back until they finally gave in and did though. He joined the Army. He was captured during the Battle of the Bulge and presumed dead for many months. When our forces managed to free the POWs from the train cars they found him and he was finally sent home with severe PTSD. I didn’t ask him about his time in the war much because I figured it was traumatic and he told me joining the army was the worst mistake he ever made. I think our troops have worse PTSD because we’re always in the thick of it and when they come home they get treated like garbage and don’t get the care they need. They self medicate with drugs and alcohol more often than not. I’ve seen the self medication that went on at the local VFW. I felt like I grew up there. I’ve been to the VA and seen the deplorable conditions and overcrowding in the maze of a building. Maybe if our government didn’t treat our troops like disposable toy soldiers they would fare better. Lord knows they deserve so much better than they get. They deserve not to have to worry that they won’t be taken care of when they need it. They deserve to know they will have a roof over their heads. They deserve not to have to fight for those his own country for the very things that were promised to him by it.
The rich and politicians in office view soldiers like animals. There's literally a quote by a man in office I forgot who unfortunately, who said soldiers were subhuman. The political goons and the wealthy can go abroad and fight their own battles as far as I'm concerned. Glorifying war and Army life is a disservice to those unwitting enough to bear arms for a country that couldn't care less about them.
@@sinjun1973 bro nb gives af😂😂
@@yousefabouamra5407 I do and there’s more people out there that care than you think.
It''s not possible for people today to relate to Fragging. This video attempts to cover way to many issues to accurately address the circumstance. Pure and simple, approximately 20% of the field officer KIA's were from Fragging. The reason the officers (routinely 2nd lieutenants) were Fragged was from stupidity and inexperience. An example would be allowing their ego to dictate orders that were absolutely going to get soldiers killed, and the soldiers knew it. An example of a Fragging would be, while in the field, and no independent witnesses, a fishing treble hook would be tag-wired to a grenade with one hook facing out. The pin would be pulled, the hook would be slammed into the officers back, and the spoon released. It made no difference what the officer would do, he couldn't reach the grenade. Vietnam became a war managed by LBJ and R.S. McNamara from Washington. Right down to the insertion of individual platoons. Big Surprise. The GRUNTS retaliated.
Now it's prevalent in the zrussian army
A friends older brother went to nam & told how their squad lieutenant who was not a leader kept taking & volunteering for worst assignments that he didn't have to deploy on!
Friends brother knew when he heard Lt. somehow got killed in camp, he said he still felt bad even though men died for his reputation.
He blamed the body count demanded by the brass orders who were less involved than the Lt.
Dad turned 18 and caught a ride into town to enlist in the Army & was denied for flat feet.Later, they drafted him for a couple tours.
Happened to my grandpa. Disqualified at meps when he tried to join then drafted half a year later
@@jeffpraterJSF I guess they were far less picky by then. Things must have been getting people dire.
What’s wild is I know an old geezer that was in Vietnam. He has a story where one of the lower guys( i don’t know the rankings) was on Guard duty. He was crooked so him and another soldier set him straight but as they were walking away he shot the other soldier in the back and then killed himself. The guy who was shot in the back also died.
When did "old geezer" become a term of respect? Or did you mean to insult a man who is likely on the opposite side of the "gave more/took more to/from his Country" spectrum than you are?
Well I can't pick sides here because I don't interpret that as disrespect but maybe there is a more appropriate term.
@@SnickC13 yeah we don’t know the guy might get called that all the time and it’s basically his nickname or he thinks it’s funny. Who knows. Now if the guy is 32 and just finished his third deployment and it’s a middle schooler that typed this then yeah no.
@@vwalsh63old geezer isn’t really offensive or a term of respect in America it’s just a REALLY old person
Geezer is disrespectful but is also pretty mild.
Who would have thought sending people involuntarily to die would lead to their "captors" being killed
Liberal
@@christopherclifford1024 Yes, wanting freedom is incredibly liberal, thanks for the compliment
@@helloneighbour2408 how exactly did we obtain these freedoms ? How did we keep them for so long? War
@@christopherclifford1024 after world war 2 we were no longer fighting for freedoms. World war 2 was the last war that absolutely NEEDED to be fought.
@@christopherclifford1024 Vietnam had absolutely nothing to do with us.
Inaccurate, misleading and extremely biased. The number of fragging incidents is recorded and not hard to find…I’d try DOD first and other usual suspects. I know the numbers and they’re shocking, shockingly low and considering 2.5 million served that would be a frag rate of about 0.00004-5. That’s the number of troops caught, or charged(caught not always charged) and includes those convicted. So why the history lesson and inferring misleading information that’s exaggerated and has been an issue to all armies for the past 2,000 years.
It is shockingly common in Vietnam movies where people get their twisted world-view.
@@jamesmadison9244 I get very frustrated (polite, PC word I'm using here vs what I really want to say) regarding movies(and Media) and their influence along with credibility which is assumed by the majority of viewers. I agree with you that a lot of people take movie content as fact.
For instance, RUclips is a great forum to inform and entertain...and most anyone can upload material, even grammar school students posting their projects for a better grade. Sadly, RUclips doesn't fact check at all -- it would be a huge effort that would probably bankrupt them. However, they must use something to ensure that material is PC acceptable. At any rate, I've never seen so much inaccurate, misleading information accepted and believed as fact regarding history as on RUclips...it's disheartening. Just a title alone, such as the one that is used here -- who needs to watch the video when the title gives many a basis to a belief that isn't true.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
Salute to Major Leo. Now that's heart and dedication. Glad he was on our side. Salute Canada!!!
Vietnam is when officers really started awarding themselves for stuff their soldiers did. A practice that carries over to this day.
agent orange killed my grandfather. it’s what caused his cancer and that led to his death.
My dad didn't die from the cancer, but he did get the kinds of cancer linked to AO exposure.
My grandpa and great uncle also died of cancer from agent orange not long after they got back. Only made it 5 and 7 years after the war
My great uncle was only 35 when he died he left behind a wife and 5 kids. 2 of them committed suicide because of their father death. Our family is forever changed, it feels empty. I never met my grandpa great uncle or his children who committed suicide. I can only hear story's of them from my grandma and when she's gone that's it.
Yup, my best friend’s stepdad and they’ve related Parkinson’s to it also.
I learned that term years ago. They show in the ending titles for National Lampoon's Animal House for Douglas C. Niedermayer (Mark Metcalf): "Killed in Vietnam by his own troops."
When I think of "fragging" the betrayal scene from Platoon (1986) comes to mind...
Never forget those that died in Vietnam died for nothing.
20 year war I had no idea
You could say that for every war for at least 1 side
Never forget 74% of vietnams fatal casualties were volunteers and not draftees. They died for nothing and wanted too 🤷♂️
Great video. Your content design is brilliant, are you using Vyond?
43:52 the Army did not, keep that promise
(Edit) 46:31 the Army did not, in fact, need to keep that promise
So this is why the US doesn't have Officers on the front lines anymore and rely on the Sergeant.
This is just not true. There are plenty of officers in the field leading enlisted. 🤦🏻
My father is a Vietnam veteran. When he was in Vietnam 1969 to 1970, and as a part of an Airborne unit. Fragging wasn't part of the deal. My father's words, not mine. " You needed every man in a combat unit. The NVA didn't care what color your skin is, or what rank you were. As far as the NVA was concerned. We were all Americans. And there fore, the enemy."
In my father's unit, they had went through 3 Platoon leaders during his time in Vietnam. The first platoon leader finished his 6 months in an infantry platoon. And was routated to the rear for an administrative position. The next platoon leader ended up getting himself and half the platoon sick. By eating with the locals. The last platoon leader made it till my father completed his tour in Vietnam. My father then caught what was called your freedom flight home. So my father never found out knew what happened to that last platoon leader. Nor did he care to find out.
From my understanding and what little research i have done. Fragging was more of a problem rear echelon units, not so much in combat units.
What were echolon units ?
@@adsl_7654 should have said rear echelon units. These would be military units like administration, supply, Military Police, basically anyone in the military that is not in a combat arm. Infantry, Armor, or Artillery.
@@jonathancathey2334 You didn't mention any furries. I do wonder, should there be a furry regiment? I think so. It would really spice things up!
@@jirikurto3859 furries? Do you mean people who dress up like animals?
@@jonathancathey2334 Oh yes, wouldn't that be something?!?!?!?
This is what I call a team player
48:12 Perry’s story is absolutely crazy..
kind of feel bad for him
Just saying, he likes em' too young.
@Nikkon33 not sure how old he is but if he waited four years it'd be fine. 22 and 18 doesn't sound as bad...
Dude he killed his buddy because he was scared, had a baby with a 14 yo, escaped prison and abandoned his two daughters. How can anybody support him wtf???
Calling Audi Murphy the tiny soldier is crazy lol. Dude was a beast. Was denied to enter army for age not height nor weight
He was like 5'3" it's well known he was very short. He did a few movies, and you can clearly see his stature compared to the rest.
I was raised by 3 vietnam vets………
Can grantee your a true stand up fella!! My grandfather is a vet, what I’d of given to of been brought up under his guidance I couldn’t imagine how sharp of a man I’d be today. Not that I am downing myself whatsoever man I’m just stating it’s obvious to be being raised by him would’ve been much more rewarding.
Thanks!
The old school word for this is mutiny.
You're so wrong about the rifles. The M4 is superior in every way. The Russians haven't used AK 47s in decades. They switched to the AK 74 with the 545 round similar to our 556. The smaller bullet at higher speeds tumbles in the body and causes awful wounds. In Afghanistan though, the firefights were at farther distances and used 308 rounds using even old M14s until they could get better 308s.
By seer statistical standers sure. But the ak47 is superior by which it is versatile it can be used for recon,defense, counter pushes, offensives, and in any terrain not to mention it is arguably the most reliable gun so in some ways yes you are right but the ak47 is still not doubt better
Red Forman (Kurtwood Smith): And that's what really happened... in Vietnam. 🇻🇳
Boy: I don't understand.
Red Forman: Neither do I, kid. Neither do I. 🙄
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Self preservation. Good reason.
I guess we're just gonna skip over that whole guild of Tonkin thing????
I was wondering the same.
Can I get a time stamp to see what this is about?
@TellsFromTheBeast not sure, but the gulf of Tonkin was a huge factor in the beginning of the Vietnam War
Anybody know the name of the guy who had to take Bill Clinton's place because 'ol Billy didn't believe in the war?
I always wondered why Nam vets specifically refused to speak about what happened over there, and as an adult, I understand. I don't condone or agree with the things that happened over there, but I understand.
20 year war i had no idea
not enough attention
You should know the country is not been called Burma anymore. The country changed its name to Myanmar in 1989.
Vietnam war happened in the 70's smart guy. And guess what it was called Burma at the time that was being referred to
ur not brilliant at all
Scooooorebooooard G.I.... Vietnam number One
why? they had to spend bullets and for that they were paid
My gramps is a Vietnam vet, was told it’s different being in war making calls then just being military on a base….
…obviously.
stop lying
Dragging your officer is not new or just started in Vietnam , look into both wars and you'll be surprised but not shocked.
"Both" wars...? You mean the world wars? US has been in a LOT more than 2 wars.😅
Yes
I threatened the Cheif of the motorpool once. Sent me and my friends on a doomed mission. I warned him before we left to swap out equipment because the 5 ton I personally deadlined. His lazy behind made us go like that. We almost died. When I got back days later and drained I seen him and came alive with anger. Told him if I ever found out he sent a mission out without due diligence I'd come back to see him off. Sometimes its necessary to check those little pretty boys before their arrogance gets you killed. We almost died to pick up a blown up truck that was sitting just fine at another FOB.
Everyone has a story like this. I guarantee you didn’t talk to an officer that way. You’d be kicking rocks.
I hate these they auto play nightly
Truth coming out………………. ⏳⌛️
Do a video about genocid in the modern world
Over 3 and a half hours, and a commercial literally every 5 mins... sorry, can't do it.
Pay the 14.99 and commercial free
Like getting in the middle of a domestic dispute
You don’t have yt plus🤣 what a shame
That’s RUclips’s fault 😬💩👎people need to fight back these corporate rules
@@bigjerm460that’s good he doesn’t have YT PLUS 😂😅that’s a shame to yall paying every month for something you can get for free but you guys will pay anything just like a puppet 😂WATCH THEM RAISE IT AGAIN $ yikes
I saw Calley in 2000 at a jewelry store at the Peach Tree Mall in Columbus GA.
When you didn't want to fight an unjust war things happen 🐥
Sorry the round handed characters are not cutting it. Never have never will.
This was threatened and talked about a lot but this wasn’t a frequent occurrence.
The primary reason was that orders would come in that would counter intel.
The intel would say " Don't go in this area. There are 500k enemy soldiers here. "
Then an order from the white house would show up saying
" Take 25 men and go to the area. "
An instead of questioning the order. The men on the ground would FOLLOW ORDERS.
Only to have all 25 men killed by an over whelming force.
You see real time ground Intel took a week to make it back to DC.
Because four departments have to CONFIRM the intel.
Because the jungle scared them and destroyed the spirits of their mental health causing them to go crazy killing one another.
Thx for your videos👍🇸🇪🌄
🤡
It's just a prank- the prank
😮
O wow this says a lot about
about?
about?
Hugh Thompson saved all those people, what a badass 🔥🔥🔥
Oh America
Has NEVER Been UNITED & this is the proof from history.
Stewie Griffin (voice of Seth MacFarlane): President Johnson, bring our boys back home from Southeast Asia. It's an unwinnable war. 😏
What lol?
@@Cpt.rhodes085
That was from the Family Guy Ep: The Tan Aquatic with Steve Zissou.
It isn’t known exactly who was fragging their officersE4MAFIA
I Know😢
I knew someone once.
That's what happened to Tillman
My half brothers dad was killed by friendly fire in Vietnam by a fellow soldier over a gambling dedt. They say jackie was a pos anyways
I assumed most of it was defending civilians that were being shot at wrongly
31:15 there dead wrong 😂
based
Black soldiers had 16 seconds to live in Vietnam. They were killed by racist people from their own company and and had to worry about Vietnam soldiers. Look it up. They need Reparations!!
My grandpas brother was a victim of this.
He must have not been very liked
@@taylorrenee4880 it was actually a case of wrong place wrong time. The guy who did it was targeting there officer and took about 5 people with him then killed himself. It was many people sleeping in the tent at the time. But cool assumption
Jungle King? Dirtbag war criminal is more like it.
Its the french , always the french. 😅
Lol I love this narrators videos.. I never hear a mistake in the work until today @ the 1:16:14 mark, “He threw A.W. Across his SOLDIERS” lol I’m sry I don’t like my attentiveness to mistakes. I use can’t help it. STILL LOVE THE VIDEOS & THE NARRATION. A lot of the time they make me laugh uncontrollably…
Anoda - what an 🍑 🕳️
This dude who make these videos don’t never come with real facts never. He just want likes which I don’t give only thumbs down 👇🏾
If the domino theory is correct maybe that means communism is pretty good
very inaccurate. sorry.
But what’s ur argument to say it isn’t? Need to bring that up too
Is this really 4 hours long?
No, just 3h and 55min.
30.00 Perry was a total POS in every possible way.
I'm skeptical. Considering it was the 40s they probably spun a story about Perry due to racism.