I was told by the mechanic I spoke to at the Brompton shop that they stopped selling the Marathon Plus because they figured the non plus version gave as much protection as the plus. I suspect that may be true, but as I was actually running both on my brompton at the time I was quite confident I wanted the plus for the better grip that it provided, particularly in the wet. I should note that my comparison on plus versus non plus. was with the generation of tires you could buy in 2017, and when I was talking to the shop a year or two ago I'm not sure we were talking about a comparison with the racers. Looking at Schwalbe's site it looks like the Marathon racer should have the better grip. Seeing your review is a good reminder to always re-check the reviews for what's the best buy when it comes to buying tires as the technology does keep improving over time.
Useful video. Thanks. I’ve done about 10,000 Brompton touring miles over the years on Marathon Plus. Not a single puncture. (Tho’ I have had punctures with them on my larger wheel road bike, caused by glass and thorns). But, on a Brompton they are very draggy and energy-sapping. I’ve now done about 1,200 Brompton miles on the Conti wired tyres without a single puncture, and they are so much faster. My advice to Brompton riders who are very worried about fixing punctures on the road would be to play safe - but draggy - by fitting Marathon Plus on the rear, which is more complicated to change, and Conti on the front.
It's great advice - but I just can't bring myself to put a marathon plus on my chpt3. Will try the contis next. The schwalbe ones with a bit of green slime work well, but time has come to say goodbye to them.
Interesting idea! I just had my first ever puncture with my stock Marathon Racers, and it was a rear one - thankfully a small enough puncture I was able to top it off a few times with a hand pump and make my way home. I was debating getting Marathon Plus tires but have heard a lot of horror stories about comfort and weight. Might try mixing it up like you suggest.
@@brilliantbikes it's cute :) absolutely love your content. Helped me take the plunge and buy and Brompton and transformed my life. It's got you a few sales on bits for my bike as well because I want to support you to keep making great content. Really appreciate you taking the time to make all these videos. They are so informative and the outtakes at the end are always a great giggle! Would love an updated marathon winter video although I know it could be hard to have an opinion or a lot of experience with that tyre in the UK.
The cream wall look lovely! These ones: brilliantbikes.co.uk/brompton-tyres-tubes/5036-continental-contact-urban-tyre-16-inch-creamwall.html Thanks for watching!
Recently switched to the Continental Urban Contact (fashion victim tan wall) on my e-brompton after my original Schwalbe Marathon blew after hitting two pot holes - I am really enjoying the Conti's seem very good and a bit more comfortable too.
Thanks for the comment (and watching) We were exactly the same after switching from Marathon Plus and Marathon Racer to the Conti tyres They just felt more comfortable, felt like they rolled better and (touch wood) so far they have been very reliable and no punctures
I use continental contwct urban creams. Looks really good. I also use a kojak wired on the other bike. This kojak feels like the sidewall flexes even at 100psi. Kinda strange. I used tanwall marathon racer. Feels fast and feela like i wont get a puncture. My other non brompton bike came with sa cst 349 tire with a max psi of 70psi i think. Very comfy. I can feel that its not fast on smooth roads but on bumpy roads, it feels good abd fast.
Back in the day I used to run some amazing Primo 'Champ' tyres on my Brompton. They were intended for racing wheelchairs, tan-wall, and only 19mm wide, so like 700c road-bike tyres in width depth and rolling resistance. Weighed something like 150g each. Sadly no longer available but they were great.
Your choice is mine two. Just coincidentally changed from the original Schwalbe Racer on my Brompton Electric to the Continental Urban Contact this weekend. Drove them on my conventional Brompton for 8000km without any puncture. And they are so good in comfort and rolling resistance. Love them ❤
That's a really useful definitive run through of the options. We have a mish mash of tyres on our Brommies, Schwalbe One, Continental Urban Contact, Marathon Racer and Marathon+
Had marthons on my Brompton from factory they were so good i rode them till they were kojaks! Replaced them with the plus with no ossues what so ever. Very happy conti have joined the party as i will probably replace them with the wired versions.
Literally had a flat today, the wall on my rear Marathon Racer split probably from a curb. Ordering the Urban Contacts as we speak. Was initially tempted to get the Marathon Racer Tan but you changed my mind. Only worry is that they seem a bit "bald" thread wise and hoping not to slide a lot. In any case, great video and thanks for the mega in depth research!
I had a puncture on marathon racer on a brand new bike two days after receiving it. So far i haven’t ridden on wet roads but so far on dry weather they feel much grippier than the marathon racer. I installend the continentals urban wired and so far very happy. Hope it helps with tour decision if haven’t made one yet, honestly they’re worth it
Excellent video... as always! 🙂 With the recommendation for the Conti Urbans, you specifically (seem to) mention the 'wired' version. Is there a specific reason or advantage from a wired vs. a folding version?
Many thanks for watching! The only reason I prefer the wired version, I think is mainly due to user error, but I’ve had no customer complaints on the wired version, I’ve had a couple of people with side wall failures on the folding version, I’d say it’s due to installation with tyre levers or running a bit flat!
FWIW, I fit my tires using a soapy water solution (& carry a small bottle of same with me), which lubricates the tires well enough that I seldom use tire levers. Or tyre levers, if you prefer.
Fun and informative, as always! I experienced a weird failure on the schwalbe marathon racer - side walls deteriorating within less than a year, to the point that the inner tube started bulging from tiny holes on the tire sides. Faulty tire, perhaps? Will be trying the continental.
I had the same. Running with higher pressure fixed it for me. The very small tire size seems to need way higher pressures than standard non-Bromton sizes.
Great video. what is the difference between the black continental urbans (wired vs non-wired), outside of the folding capability (and the folding being slightly lighter)? Is there any advantage getting the wired one (apart from the price)?
Based on failures, I’d say the wired are more robust (we have not had any reported issues) but have had people have failures of the folding tyres. I’d say mainly due to the use of tyre levers to instal or running them at too low a pressure. Thanks for watching!
Great video! One thing it's not clear enough is why you prefer the wired version of the Contact Urban over the folding one. I understand the puncture protection level is the same, right? Is it because of the problem with the tyre levers that you mention with the folding version?
The Kojak is a terrible tyre for rolling resistance (see bicyclerollingresistance). Before I knew that, I used them (26x2) on my commuter bike, and an Easter Arrow (425km in 24hrs). Not terribly puncture resistant, rolling resistance is a bit high; however, at lower pressures and fatter widths, it is super comfortable.
I seem to remember hearing of a "solid" tyre which someone used who regularly night commutes and absolutely does not want to risk a puncture ( at the expense of riding comfort), although i could be wrong
Ah! The Tanus tyres. We bought a pair, went to install them… then decided they are too difficult to install, can damage the rims, we gave them to a customer who could not install them, took them to another bike shop, they would not install them! Oh and they don’t ride very well, as they are hard.! But if yes you do t get punctures! I rather a tyre! Martha on plus or Continental
2:35 Is that a Siamese? I noticed that I fitted my tyre on C Line Electric at the wrong rotation. My ex motorcycle racer friend noticed when i borrowed his foot pump and he told me that he raced with backwards rotation on his tyre and he claimed that it gave him better grip in the 1970s.
What advice can you offer to a clueless person to these things. with regards to tyre pressures? Towards the lower recommended tyre pressure or the higher end and should having an electric Brompton have any influence on the decision? Thank you for your entertaining instructional video
Having had a number of punctures and mended them at places such as platform 8 at Paddington Station and on a bench in Hyde Park, I only use either Marathon or Marathon Plus. Of course the punctures only occur when I’m in a hurry, it’s the rear tyre and when it’s raining! 😂Thanks for the film. V helpful.
Apparently, punctures ARE more likely to happen in the rain. Why? Well, I think wet glass fragments can *slice* through moistened rubber much more easily; the water is acting as a lubricant. Also, it is harder to see where the broken glass is lurking when the roads are wet.
Hello. Thanks for all your great videos. I have an electric C-Line 2022. You said, the Urban contact would be the best choice. How is it for bikepacking? Which one would you recommended then? We also drive gravel roads, if we're bikepacking and we have it fully loaded with luggage.
The contact Urban would be fine, I prefer the wired version, just as we have not had any complaints with them, I’ve had a few with the folding ones, I’d say due to user issues but it’s made me prefer the wired Thanks for watching
Hi - brilliant channel, video! Congratulations! Tried to get the info I'm looking for from your video, but, although very informative, I could not identify my question! I have a C Line Brompton 6 speeds - Please, so if you have the time to answer! - I'm looking for the fatest tire (wider, more air for cushioning) without modifying wheels or mudguards. By what you described, the Continental would be the wider one - is this right? It seems that all tires have the same nominal dimensions, but some look different, wider! It is impressive the amount of parts, resources you put in your videos! That stack of tires is impressive, as well as the number of bikes, parts, bags! I will try to visit your shop in my next trip! Thank you for all, Pedro Borges (Vancouver, Canada)
Hello Vancouver! (Did we mention that we love it there!) Our favourites for what you describe are definitely the Continental Contact urban To us at least they just feel faster and more comfortable all at the same time
@@brilliantbikes thank you! I also saw your clip of your visit toVancouver! Great, thanks for your attention. Your channel is impressive, congratulations, cheers, Pedro Borges
Thanks for the recommendation. I want to get the continentals but the options between wired and foldable makes it a hard choice. I can see that you recommended the wired version. Are there any pros or cons choosing any of them?
Many thanks for watching! We have not had any complaints on the wired version, we had a few complaints of the sidewall failing on the folding version. I think this is if people have run them flatter
Hey You, I never TYRE from your vids! BOOM! BOOM! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ok … definitive guidance needed. I’m looking at swapping my Schwalbe Marathon Racers for either Marathon Plus or your fave Conti Contact Urbs. With that said how does the puncture resistance differ in them to make one 7 and one 6? Is it supposition from the makers or is there something in the design specs that are different? “Who loves ya baby?” …… We do! 😉 Laurie
Hi Laurie, Firstly thanks for watching! The M+ does provide the most puncture resistance, but the conti is pretty good and a little bit more comfortable. I have done about 2000 km on mine and not had a puncture.
We have had no complaints on the wired version, but enough for me to get annoyed at on the folding. I think they are less robust! If for example fitted with tyre levers or run slightly flat!
Great overview! I have the contact urban on my bike but they are so high that on the front mudguard always is scratching noises if it s wet... Which tires are not so high and still light? Thank you for advice!
It sounds like your mudguard stays need to be reshaped to push the mudguard away from the tyre. Push them sideways. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Being as how it is not an easy task to fix a Brompton rear puncture (or the front on an e-Brompton), and that the ride could be described as ‘unforgiving”, isn’t it time for a tubeless setup!? No more pinch punctures, self-healing leaks, and the comfort of 50 psi.
Typical. I just ordered some new tyres from you lovely people last night and now you come out with a full review of all the different available kinds. 🤣 Really useful video though a small note about how some of the tyres need slightly different inner tube sizes would have been neat. 👍
@@brilliantbikesinstead of tubeless I’m curious if anyone has tried the Schwalbe Ones with some tried and true tire liners such as Mr. Tuffys? That should in theory be the best of both worlds.
Great video as always, but probably need to watch it a few times, I'm only new to Brompton's & only done 200 miles on my CHPT3, so early days, in general I don't get many punctures, but they often arrive around the same time. Thanks for the video, I reckon that must have taken some serious use of the brain cells & a lot of takes!
Thanks for watching and for the question. I guess it’s based on failures, we have had no complaints on the wired version, but a few on the folding one. TBH I think it’s generally if people have fitted them with tyre levers or run them flat, the Kevlar bead is not as strong as the wired version
Greetings from an owner of a 2020 all-black super light, and much thanks for the useful video. I intend to get one of the two Continental Contact Black Urbans. Can I ask why you prefer the Continental Contact Black Urban Wired over the Reflective? Are there arguments for both?
It appears that the wired version is now being sold on the Brompton website, judging from it's quoted weight there of .61 pounds (equals 277 grams) and pressure range of 65-110 PSI. Both figures are more consistent with the wired tire. There's a shortage of the urban contact tires for the Brompton right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if Brompton substituted the wired version. In any case, I ordered a pair there. Thanks for your fine, fine channel.
Thanks both for watching! We just have had complaints with the folding version, I think people have run them flatter and the side wall is not so robust and they have then hard issues. We have had no complaints with the wired version. Hope this helps a bit!
I'm thinking of switching to the Continentals Contact Urbans. Which inner tubes would you recommend? Currently i have the standard Impac ones but would you recommend something else?
Hi, Great Videos! Do you have an opinion on Inner tubes? I have an Electric P-Line. The recommended inner tube by Brompton is the Tubolito Schrader valve. But these are £27.00 each! I normally pay no more that £5.00 for an inner tube. Is the Tubolito really necessary?
Thanks for watching and the kind comment Our favourite is the Schwalbe AV4 - it’s what we run on all our Brompton bikes The tubolito was used to reduce the weight (very slightly) on the P Line
I really like the Continental Contact Urbans, the wired ones perform really well. They don’t provide as much puncture protection as the Marathon Plus but are really good and comfy. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching - and the great question We just got our hands on the T Lines ... and the answer is yes - the T Line uses the same rim as the P Line "will shortly" have If we had a T line - we would definitely choose these tyres - as we have on out P Lines!
Schwalbe Marathon Plus recommended by LBS. Heavier tyres but they are practically bullet proof. Continental's are good too but I prefer the Schwalbes heavier tyres, but a more comfortable ride with a touring size tyre and wide rim combination. Prefer comfort and puncture resistance over speed any day.
Thank god most of the tyres are rotational. I fear for the people who bought those who aren't though, carrying their bikes everywhere most be very tiring :)
I found a Chaptah Foras (16 x 1.75) Tyre at a bike shop near where I work. Do you think it would be good on a Brompton? I've got an M6L Brompton. Thought I'd check what other alternatives can be used...
You mentioned tubeless in the video (at least I think I heard you say tubeless), but can any of the tires mentioned be used in a tubeless setup with the stock Brompton wheel rims? Very curious to know your experience with tubeless Brompton wheels and tires, if any. Thanks!
One thing worth mentioning is the performance in wet weather. Ive never once felt safe in the Schwalbe Marathons (the rear wheel ALWAYS slips) and I can't figure out of it's characteristic of the small wheels or whether swapping them out to Continental Contact Urbans will help with this. Anybody has any experience?
Skids when braking or turning? I always heard bicycle tires are too narrow to hydroplane. I’m not sure if even a bald tire is worse. I always think it’s more about the wet surface
@@SingaporeUntold Do you mean aquaplane? On a cold (non-freezing day) I turned into a tight right at about 10mph and unfortunately went over the metal drain mount, cue a rather abrupt two wheel drift on Schwalbe Marathons , didn’t fall off but did put a foot down. If you’re skidding on Marathons I’d try better brake pads like Swissstop Flash Pro BXP Blue, I put my first set on in 2016, they’re standard fitment on the electric Brom. Also, look at how much brake lever travel you need for the pads to contact the rim to slow you down and consider adjusting them to prevent the skidding.
I have used Conti Marathons (and the plus version) on numerous bikes with all wheel sizes over thousands of miles of riding. They are a hard rubber compound and will last for many miles. The hard compound does mean unreliable grip on wet corners though. I am happy to trade that for a long life and puncture resistance 👍
Well done I use the One and wouldn’t switch it. But if I was touring I would travel with the Conti Also traditionally the tan wall is slightly lighter than the black wall version as the black wall is just an additional material over the tan construction.
Thanks for watching - and the question We actually personally use and would recommend the Continental Contact Urban - they roll really well and have (so far at least for us) been very puncture resistant! It does partly depend upon your riding style and the terrain / conditions that you ride in
You missed a tire better than all of these IMHO. The Greenspeed Scorcher. It is very fat at 40mm. It is simultaneously as fast, as grippy, and as comfortable as any tires you covered. To achieve this combination, its downside is that it wears out fast It's available in puncture resistant and non-resistant versions. When you can get it: COVID wreaked havoc on Greenspeed's supply chain.
Continental urban tyres are larger on the inside diameter than Schwalbe and do not fit some wheel rims. 349 is supposed to be a standard but is interpreted by manufacturers. So whilst the Continental tyres fit currently produced wheel rims fitted to Brompton bikes the tyres are too large and therefore unsuitable and potentially dangerous fitted to other makes of wheel rim such as JK carbon Brompton wheels.
Sorry Kenda the UK distributor went bankrupt, CST the last time we tried them the value was on the outside. And not tweet tried Inova. Thanks for watching and the comment
Early video bit tired but still watching , everything seems to be motivated buy weight with all bikes , personally I’m motivated by coolness, what’s the fastest tire one could purchase for a Brompton, maybe one should call it obese tire in today’s vernacular, long video very tiring, I know it’s all about the song = 1 -2 - 3 = Len Barry , extra song for Kodak tires = Lollipop =The Chordettes.
i used to use wired conti (black)... it is great but it is not as easy to change compared to folding... now changed to Schwalbe Kojak because i changed to 18 inch wheel.. the conti color is quite ugly hahahahahaha
"Who loves you Baby?" That was gold! Thank you. Great info on tire choices.
😀! Thanks and thanks for watching!
I was told by the mechanic I spoke to at the Brompton shop that they stopped selling the Marathon Plus because they figured the non plus version gave as much protection as the plus. I suspect that may be true, but as I was actually running both on my brompton at the time I was quite confident I wanted the plus for the better grip that it provided, particularly in the wet.
I should note that my comparison on plus versus non plus. was with the generation of tires you could buy in 2017, and when I was talking to the shop a year or two ago I'm not sure we were talking about a comparison with the racers. Looking at Schwalbe's site it looks like the Marathon racer should have the better grip.
Seeing your review is a good reminder to always re-check the reviews for what's the best buy when it comes to buying tires as the technology does keep improving over time.
We do find the Marathon Plus to provide better protection.
Thanks for watching!
You’re a delight to listen to - especially the blooper bits.
Thank you and thank you for watching!
Useful video. Thanks. I’ve done about 10,000 Brompton touring miles over the years on Marathon Plus. Not a single puncture. (Tho’ I have had punctures with them on my larger wheel road bike, caused by glass and thorns). But, on a Brompton they are very draggy and energy-sapping. I’ve now done about 1,200 Brompton miles on the Conti wired tyres without a single puncture, and they are so much faster. My advice to Brompton riders who are very worried about fixing punctures on the road would be to play safe - but draggy - by fitting Marathon Plus on the rear, which is more complicated to change, and Conti on the front.
It's great advice - but I just can't bring myself to put a marathon plus on my chpt3. Will try the contis next. The schwalbe ones with a bit of green slime work well, but time has come to say goodbye to them.
Interesting idea! I just had my first ever puncture with my stock Marathon Racers, and it was a rear one - thankfully a small enough puncture I was able to top it off a few times with a hand pump and make my way home. I was debating getting Marathon Plus tires but have heard a lot of horror stories about comfort and weight. Might try mixing it up like you suggest.
Thanks a lot for providing these types of technical details, always enjoy watching your videos & love your senses of humor 💕 big thumbs up 👍🏼👍🏼
So glad they helped and thank you for watching!
Loved the subtle kid noises in the background! A fantastic video as always!
Whoops! Constance making an appearance. I thought she’d gone out…..
thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes it's cute :) absolutely love your content. Helped me take the plunge and buy and Brompton and transformed my life. It's got you a few sales on bits for my bike as well because I want to support you to keep making great content. Really appreciate you taking the time to make all these videos. They are so informative and the outtakes at the end are always a great giggle! Would love an updated marathon winter video although I know it could be hard to have an opinion or a lot of experience with that tyre in the UK.
I am in love with tan wall tires. Help me! They just look so gooooooddd! I would love a white wall even more tho! love the classic aesthetic so much!
The cream wall look lovely! These ones:
brilliantbikes.co.uk/brompton-tyres-tubes/5036-continental-contact-urban-tyre-16-inch-creamwall.html
Thanks for watching!
As always had a great time watching this video!
Many thanks for watching!
Thanks for your wise advice, as always. I have shared your video, in the group "Team Brompton Peru". You have a LIKE from me.
Thank you so much!!
Recently switched to the Continental Urban Contact (fashion victim tan wall) on my e-brompton after my original Schwalbe Marathon blew after hitting two pot holes - I am really enjoying the Conti's seem very good and a bit more comfortable too.
Thanks for the comment (and watching)
We were exactly the same after switching from Marathon Plus and Marathon Racer to the Conti tyres
They just felt more comfortable, felt like they rolled better and (touch wood) so far they have been very reliable and no punctures
I use continental contwct urban creams. Looks really good.
I also use a kojak wired on the other bike. This kojak feels like the sidewall flexes even at 100psi. Kinda strange.
I used tanwall marathon racer. Feels fast and feela like i wont get a puncture.
My other non brompton bike came with sa cst 349 tire with a max psi of 70psi i think. Very comfy. I can feel that its not fast on smooth roads but on bumpy roads, it feels good abd fast.
Thanks for watching! Sounds like you have lots of the range!
Back in the day I used to run some amazing Primo 'Champ' tyres on my Brompton. They were intended for racing wheelchairs, tan-wall, and only 19mm wide, so like 700c road-bike tyres in width depth and rolling resistance. Weighed something like 150g each. Sadly no longer available but they were great.
Ah that’s a shame! Thanks for watching!
Your choice is mine two. Just coincidentally changed from the original Schwalbe Racer on my Brompton Electric to the Continental Urban Contact this weekend. Drove them on my conventional Brompton for 8000km without any puncture. And they are so good in comfort and rolling resistance. Love them ❤
Thanks for watching! Hope they continue to behave well!
Thank you and well done! Another 10 watches and I'll decide 😊
Thanks for watching, the first time and then the next 10 😀
@@brilliantbikes I'll tread carefully 😉
This video helped me pick a new tyre for my Brompton. Thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, so glad it helped!
That's a really useful definitive run through of the options. We have a mish mash of tyres on our Brommies, Schwalbe One, Continental Urban Contact, Marathon Racer and Marathon+
Glad it helped and thanks for watching!
Had marthons on my Brompton from factory they were so good i rode them till they were kojaks! Replaced them with the plus with no ossues what so ever. Very happy conti have joined the party as i will probably replace them with the wired versions.
😀! Thanks for watching!
really great summary. thank you!
Many thanks, and thanks for watching!
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Excellent review, thank you...
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Thank you so much and thank you for watching!!
Literally had a flat today, the wall on my rear Marathon Racer split probably from a curb. Ordering the Urban Contacts as we speak. Was initially tempted to get the Marathon Racer Tan but you changed my mind. Only worry is that they seem a bit "bald" thread wise and hoping not to slide a lot. In any case, great video and thanks for the mega in depth research!
So glad it helped! Thank you for watching!
I had a puncture on marathon racer on a brand new bike two days after receiving it. So far i haven’t ridden on wet roads but so far on dry weather they feel much grippier than the marathon racer. I installend the continentals urban wired and so far very happy. Hope it helps with tour decision if haven’t made one yet, honestly they’re worth it
Excellent video... as always! 🙂
With the recommendation for the Conti Urbans, you specifically (seem to) mention the 'wired' version. Is there a specific reason or advantage from a wired vs. a folding version?
Many thanks for watching!
The only reason I prefer the wired version, I think is mainly due to user error, but I’ve had no customer complaints on the wired version, I’ve had a couple of people with side wall failures on the folding version, I’d say it’s due to installation with tyre levers or running a bit flat!
Fine video.
Thanks.
Fantastic range for Bromptons!
I'll be thinking about swapping my birdy 355 rims to 349!
Many thanks for watching!
Thank you, a very useful information for tire options
Thank you so much for watching!
Same choice of tyre... but be careful on wet cobblestones as they have very limited grip I have found. Once you know they are top tyres.
😀. Thanks for watching! And for the warning!
Really useful. Many thanks.
Thanks for watching!
good content! and really fun to watch!
Thank you and thank you for watching!
Brilliant thank you!!!!
Thank you for watching!
Thanks! It is very nicely presented! I will get the continental urban!
Good info.
Thank you and thank you for watching!
Just the video I needed! 👍
Just a note, Schwalbe is pronounces Schwal-ba
Thanks for watching and explaining!
FWIW, I fit my tires using a soapy water solution (& carry a small bottle of same with me), which lubricates the tires well enough that I seldom use tire levers. Or tyre levers, if you prefer.
Many thanks! We also use soapy water but generally on our mountain bike tyres
I just bought some schwalbe almotion. I'd love to see a review. I'm hoping to be able to cycle in all conditions.
Many thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
Fun and informative, as always! I experienced a weird failure on the schwalbe marathon racer - side walls deteriorating within less than a year, to the point that the inner tube started bulging from tiny holes on the tire sides. Faulty tire, perhaps?
Will be trying the continental.
I had the same. Running with higher pressure fixed it for me. The very small tire size seems to need way higher pressures than standard non-Bromton sizes.
Great vid and info you need a lolly pop for the Kojak ;)
Lol! We did think that but did not have any to hand. Thanks for watching
Great video.
what is the difference between the black continental urbans (wired vs non-wired), outside of the folding capability (and the folding being slightly lighter)? Is there any advantage getting the wired one (apart from the price)?
Based on failures, I’d say the wired are more robust (we have not had any reported issues) but have had people have failures of the folding tyres. I’d say mainly due to the use of tyre levers to instal or running them at too low a pressure.
Thanks for watching!
Kind of miss your old bangs almost, but not quite, getting in your eyes... but very useful and welcome data nonetheless!
This is my Go-To channel for all things Brompton©!
Thank you and carry on.
Many thanks for watching! Aaahhh must get my hair cut!
Great video! One thing it's not clear enough is why you prefer the wired version of the Contact Urban over the folding one. I understand the puncture protection level is the same, right? Is it because of the problem with the tyre levers that you mention with the folding version?
The Kojak is a terrible tyre for rolling resistance (see bicyclerollingresistance).
Before I knew that, I used them (26x2) on my commuter bike, and an Easter Arrow (425km in 24hrs).
Not terribly puncture resistant, rolling resistance is a bit high; however, at lower pressures and fatter widths, it is super comfortable.
Thanks for watching and for the comment
Apparently they are non-rotational, so saying that the rolling resistance is bad seems to be an understatement :)
Tell us more about the crank of the orange Brompton in the top right corner ;-)
We made a video on it, but we need to edit and publish it 😀
I seem to remember hearing of a "solid" tyre which someone used who regularly night commutes and absolutely does not want to risk a puncture ( at the expense of riding comfort), although i could be wrong
Ah! The Tanus tyres. We bought a pair, went to install them… then decided they are too difficult to install, can damage the rims, we gave them to a customer who could not install them, took them to another bike shop, they would not install them! Oh and they don’t ride very well, as they are hard.! But if yes you do t get punctures! I rather a tyre! Martha on plus or Continental
by far continental comes out alot of good 349 tyres :0 loving it.
We love it too. Thanks for watching!
2:35 Is that a Siamese? I noticed that I fitted my tyre on C Line Electric at the wrong rotation. My ex motorcycle racer friend noticed when i borrowed his foot pump and he told me that he raced with backwards rotation on his tyre and he claimed that it gave him better grip in the 1970s.
What advice can you offer to a clueless person to these things. with regards to tyre pressures? Towards the lower recommended tyre pressure or the higher end and should having an electric Brompton have any influence on the decision? Thank you for your entertaining instructional video
Thanks for watching. I don’t like tyres really hard, I tend to do them at about 80 PSI and check regularly
@@brilliantbikes Thank you
Having had a number of punctures and mended them at places such as platform 8 at Paddington Station and on a bench in Hyde Park, I only use either Marathon or Marathon Plus. Of course the punctures only occur when I’m in a hurry, it’s the rear tyre and when it’s raining! 😂Thanks for the film. V helpful.
Many thanks for watching! They do always happens when the least want them too!
Apparently, punctures ARE more likely to happen in the rain.
Why?
Well, I think wet glass fragments can *slice* through moistened rubber much more easily; the water is acting as a lubricant.
Also, it is harder to see where the broken glass is lurking when the roads are wet.
I use to run Tannus blue tyres on my 2012 Brompton worked very well for Scotland winters but the rolling resistance was very hard 😢
We’re they slippery as well?
Thanks for the comment
Hello. Thanks for all your great videos. I have an electric C-Line 2022. You said, the Urban contact would be the best choice. How is it for bikepacking? Which one would you recommended then? We also drive gravel roads, if we're bikepacking and we have it fully loaded with luggage.
The contact Urban would be fine, I prefer the wired version, just as we have not had any complaints with them, I’ve had a few with the folding ones, I’d say due to user issues but it’s made me prefer the wired
Thanks for watching
Hi - brilliant channel, video! Congratulations! Tried to get the info I'm looking for from your video, but, although very informative, I could not identify my question! I have a C Line Brompton 6 speeds - Please, so if you have the time to answer! - I'm looking for the fatest tire (wider, more air for cushioning) without modifying wheels or mudguards. By what you described, the Continental would be the wider one - is this right? It seems that all tires have the same nominal dimensions, but some look different, wider!
It is impressive the amount of parts, resources you put in your videos! That stack of tires is impressive, as well as the number of bikes, parts, bags! I will try to visit your shop in my next trip! Thank you for all, Pedro Borges (Vancouver, Canada)
Hello Vancouver! (Did we mention that we love it there!)
Our favourites for what you describe are definitely the Continental Contact urban
To us at least they just feel faster and more comfortable all at the same time
@@brilliantbikes thank you! I also saw your clip of your visit toVancouver! Great, thanks for your attention. Your channel is impressive, congratulations, cheers, Pedro Borges
Thanks for the recommendation. I want to get the continentals but the options between wired and foldable makes it a hard choice. I can see that you recommended the wired version. Are there any pros or cons choosing any of them?
Many thanks for watching!
We have not had any complaints on the wired version, we had a few complaints of the sidewall failing on the folding version. I think this is if people have run them flatter
I’m interesting in the Contact Urban tires. What are the cons of using the brown wall Kevlar tires over the black wire bead versions?
There should be no disadvantage, but based on customer use, they seem to be slightly more prone to damage if installed with tyre levers in run flat
Great information but you forgot to mention that the Kojak tyres also come with a bag of lollipops.
Lol! Right we must order some lollipops!
Thanks for watching!
Hey You, I never TYRE from your vids! BOOM! BOOM! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok … definitive guidance needed. I’m looking at swapping my Schwalbe Marathon Racers for either Marathon Plus or your fave Conti Contact Urbs.
With that said how does the puncture resistance differ in them to make one 7 and one 6? Is it supposition from the makers or is there something in the design specs that are different?
“Who loves ya baby?” …… We do! 😉
Laurie
Hi Laurie,
Firstly thanks for watching!
The M+ does provide the most puncture resistance, but the conti is pretty good and a little bit more comfortable. I have done about 2000 km on mine and not had a puncture.
Great video but why do you prefer the wired Conti over the folding other than price?
We have had no complaints on the wired version, but enough for me to get annoyed at on the folding. I think they are less robust! If for example fitted with tyre levers or run slightly flat!
Thank you so much.@@brilliantbikes
Great vid. Wrt CHPT3 - have you kept one for yourselves? And how do you get on with detaching the pedal v folding?
We kept a CHPT3 this time 😀. Love the pedals! Have now put them on my P line as well. Thanks for the question
just the video I needed recently. I kept getting flat tires. this'll be a great reference!
Many thanks for watching!
Fab.
Thanks for watching!
Great overview!
I have the contact urban on my bike but they are so high that on the front mudguard always is scratching noises if it s wet...
Which tires are not so high and still light?
Thank you for advice!
It sounds like your mudguard stays need to be reshaped to push the mudguard away from the tyre. Push them sideways.
Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Being as how it is not an easy task to fix a Brompton rear puncture (or the front on an e-Brompton), and that the ride could be described as ‘unforgiving”, isn’t it time for a tubeless setup!? No more pinch punctures, self-healing leaks, and the comfort of 50 psi.
It is on the list of to dos!
Thanks for watching!
Typical. I just ordered some new tyres from you lovely people last night and now you come out with a full review of all the different available kinds. 🤣
Really useful video though a small note about how some of the tyres need slightly different inner tube sizes would have been neat. 👍
I heard you say "Tubeless" could you make a video on 'Tubeless' if you haven't already done so, thanks?
It’s on the list. Can we make it work….
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikesinstead of tubeless I’m curious if anyone has tried the Schwalbe Ones with some tried and true tire liners such as Mr. Tuffys? That should in theory be the best of both worlds.
Great video as always, but probably need to watch it a few times, I'm only new to Brompton's & only done 200 miles on my CHPT3, so early days, in general I don't get many punctures, but they often arrive around the same time.
Thanks for the video, I reckon that must have taken some serious use of the brain cells & a lot of takes!
I’m still irritated by my errors! At least they got rectified by text! Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes I could sense that watching, it's a tricky subject, so well done 👍
Why is the wired version of the continental contact urban your favourite compared to the folding?
Thanks for watching and for the question. I guess it’s based on failures, we have had no complaints on the wired version, but a few on the folding one. TBH I think it’s generally if people have fitted them with tyre levers or run them flat, the Kevlar bead is not as strong as the wired version
Greetings from an owner of a 2020 all-black super light, and much thanks for the useful video. I intend to get one of the two Continental Contact Black Urbans. Can I ask why you prefer the Continental Contact Black Urban Wired over the Reflective? Are there arguments for both?
It appears that the wired version is now being sold on the Brompton website, judging from it's quoted weight there of .61 pounds (equals 277 grams) and pressure range of 65-110 PSI. Both figures are more consistent with the wired tire. There's a shortage of the urban contact tires for the Brompton right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if Brompton substituted the wired version. In any case, I ordered a pair there. Thanks for your fine, fine channel.
Thanks both for watching!
We just have had complaints with the folding version, I think people have run them flatter and the side wall is not so robust and they have then hard issues. We have had no complaints with the wired version. Hope this helps a bit!
running vee rubber goodie goodies on my bike for a year or so. > $25 per, light, no flats yet, good road feel. nobody ever mentions them.
Thanks for the suggestion (and watching)
Maybe (like us) no-one ever heard of them
Do you have a link ?
I'm thinking of switching to the Continentals Contact Urbans. Which inner tubes would you recommend?
Currently i have the standard Impac ones but would you recommend something else?
Many thanks for watching and for the question, we really like the AV4, also made by Schwalbe.
@brilliantbikes Thank you. Will be ordering soon from your store. Please keep producing the fantastic videos!
What is the difference between the continental wired and klevar? One is lighter? Which is more puncture resistant?
Weight. Kevlar is lighter and easier to pack as a spare, wired is heavier and takes up more space to carry as a spare.
I think the wired are more robust than the folding. Thanks for watching!
Hi, Great Videos! Do you have an opinion on Inner tubes? I have an Electric P-Line. The recommended inner tube by Brompton is the Tubolito Schrader valve. But these are £27.00 each! I normally pay no more that £5.00 for an inner tube. Is the Tubolito really necessary?
Thanks for watching and the kind comment
Our favourite is the Schwalbe AV4 - it’s what we run on all our Brompton bikes
The tubolito was used to reduce the weight (very slightly) on the P Line
Thank you for the super fast reponse.@@brilliantbikes
which one would be best for comfort wrt bad bike lanes, cracks, pot holes, etc...?
I really like the Continental Contact Urbans, the wired ones perform really well. They don’t provide as much puncture protection as the Marathon Plus but are really good and comfy.
Thanks for watching!
Hi, can the T Line with stock rim use Continental Contact Urban Tyre 16 Inch 349 ( Wire ) ? And what pressure should we pump it up? Thanks.
Thanks for watching - and the great question
We just got our hands on the T Lines ... and the answer is yes - the T Line uses the same rim as the P Line "will shortly" have
If we had a T line - we would definitely choose these tyres - as we have on out P Lines!
@@brilliantbikes
Hi, thanks for your reply. And what pressure should we pump it up? Thanks.
Hi what make are the naked wall all motion tyers
Thanks for the question. They are made by Schwalbe for Brompton
Have you tried Panaracer Crosstown?
No, have you and how did you get on?
Thanks for the suggestion and for watching!
@@brilliantbikes not yet 😃 Still using stock Marathon Racer, but after a flat thinking of my next tyres
You missed the Panaracer tyres. 😊
Many thanks for watching and for the comment. Have you had any experience using them?
Currently using Kojak wired but tempted to switch to the Continental Contact Urban wired. Is it really any good?
Thanks for watching and the question
We think so - they roll well and are definitely more puncture resistant than the Kojaks!
Schwalbe Marathon Plus recommended by LBS. Heavier tyres but they are practically bullet proof. Continental's are good too but I prefer the Schwalbes heavier tyres, but a more comfortable ride with a touring size tyre and wide rim combination.
Prefer comfort and puncture resistance over speed any day.
We love the M+, thanks for watching!
Thank god most of the tyres are rotational. I fear for the people who bought those who aren't though, carrying their bikes everywhere most be very tiring :)
Thank you for watching and making us laugh ....
If we'd actually recorded "directional" anywhere we could have dubbed it!
Parallax Error! The Schwalbe One Black weighs in at 173g, not 113g :)
Sorry! I will remember not to try to read upside down through a frame again! Sorry and thanks for watching. We amended in the text.
I found a Chaptah Foras (16 x 1.75) Tyre at a bike shop near where I work. Do you think it would be good on a Brompton? I've got an M6L Brompton. Thought I'd check what other alternatives can be used...
You mentioned tubeless in the video (at least I think I heard you say tubeless), but can any of the tires mentioned be used in a tubeless setup with the stock Brompton wheel rims? Very curious to know your experience with tubeless Brompton wheels and tires, if any. Thanks!
It is on our list to try! Thanks for watching!
One thing worth mentioning is the performance in wet weather. Ive never once felt safe in the Schwalbe Marathons (the rear wheel ALWAYS slips) and I can't figure out of it's characteristic of the small wheels or whether swapping them out to Continental Contact Urbans will help with this. Anybody has any experience?
Skids when braking or turning? I always heard bicycle tires are too narrow to hydroplane. I’m not sure if even a bald tire is worse. I always think it’s more about the wet surface
@@SingaporeUntold Do you mean aquaplane? On a cold (non-freezing day) I turned into a tight right at about 10mph and unfortunately went over the metal drain mount, cue a rather abrupt two wheel drift on Schwalbe Marathons , didn’t fall off but did put a foot down.
If you’re skidding on Marathons I’d try better brake pads like Swissstop Flash Pro BXP Blue, I put my first set on in 2016, they’re standard fitment on the electric Brom. Also, look at how much brake lever travel you need for the pads to contact the rim to slow you down and consider adjusting them to prevent the skidding.
I have used Conti Marathons (and the plus version) on numerous bikes with all wheel sizes over thousands of miles of riding. They are a hard rubber compound and will last for many miles. The hard compound does mean unreliable grip on wet corners though. I am happy to trade that for a long life and puncture resistance 👍
Well done
I use the One and wouldn’t switch it. But if I was touring I would travel with the Conti
Also traditionally the tan wall is slightly lighter than the black wall version as the black wall is just an additional material over the tan construction.
Which schwalbe do u suggest that is puncture resistant and increases the speed to..
Thanks for watching - and the question
We actually personally use and would recommend the Continental Contact Urban - they roll really well and have (so far at least for us) been very puncture resistant!
It does partly depend upon your riding style and the terrain / conditions that you ride in
Oh so there is one choise for summer: kojak. And one for winter: Marathon winter.
Thanks for watching! I’m a fan of the Continental contacts as well!
You missed a tire better than all of these IMHO. The Greenspeed Scorcher. It is very fat at 40mm. It is simultaneously as fast, as grippy, and as comfortable as any tires you covered. To achieve this combination, its downside is that it wears out fast It's available in puncture resistant and non-resistant versions. When you can get it: COVID wreaked havoc on Greenspeed's supply chain.
In your time riding Brompton, how many flat tires have you replaced?
Funny, I never really have punctures, I’m light and a light rider, so only do the puncture repairs for the videos. Thanks for watching!!
which tire has the thickness width?
How many inch the 1 that floding
Continental urban tyres are larger on the inside diameter than Schwalbe and do not fit some wheel rims. 349 is supposed to be a standard but is interpreted by manufacturers.
So whilst the Continental tyres fit currently produced wheel rims fitted to Brompton bikes the tyres are too large and therefore unsuitable and potentially dangerous fitted to other makes of wheel rim such as JK carbon Brompton wheels.
whether brands such as kenda, cst, or inova are in your place
Sorry Kenda the UK distributor went bankrupt, CST the last time we tried them the value was on the outside. And not tweet tried Inova. Thanks for watching and the comment
thanks again for the reply@@brilliantbikes
Oh, no! I brought the sealion!
😂! Thanks for making me smile and for watching!
Brilliant Hannah.
I've searched for the Schwalbe Winter tyres video and I think this is it...
ruclips.net/video/gptp4R8Eh1I/видео.html 11:15
Wow! That’s old. That’s the first one, then there is one where we used them! Still old!
ruclips.net/video/Mp3P5rH5bp4/видео.html
Thanks for watching!
need carbon disc and tubless
rE-tYRE ALREADY :p
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes Oh it seams you have, A.I is replying for you
wow made in indonesia
All tyres rotate, and are therefore rotational 😂🎉
I know I muddled up directional! Doh!
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes enjoyed it, and learnt a lot too. Great overview of what is now quite a complicated web of options ☺️
lot of money for old tech
Early video bit tired but still watching , everything seems to be motivated buy weight with all bikes , personally I’m motivated by coolness, what’s the fastest tire one could purchase for a Brompton, maybe one should call it obese tire in today’s vernacular, long video very tiring, I know it’s all about the song = 1 -2 - 3 = Len Barry , extra song for Kodak tires = Lollipop =The Chordettes.
Your eyesight!? Schwable One is 173 g
Yes sorry! Reading upside down through a frame not ideal! We core we ted with the text. Thanks for watching and sorry for the error!
i used to use wired conti (black)... it is great but it is not as easy to change compared to folding...
now changed to Schwalbe Kojak because i changed to 18 inch wheel..
the conti color is quite ugly hahahahahaha
I'm sure these tyres will all be outdated by 2033.
Whoops! Thanks updated! Thanks for watching and for noticing something we did not!
Sorry I meant fattest not fastest, must wake up before writing comments,