This Small Korean Brand Has Big Ambitions....
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The design leans heavily on the Daytona, and the Zenith in particular, but I think there is just about enough to seperate it from those two. Is there enough character though to tempt you, despite the spec compromises? Cheers, Jody
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Agree about naming. About as silly as that Erebus 2 I keep getting emails for...😆
Haha! 😂
@@samthurgood ahahahhaha waiting for a model with a good movement sick of these 30$ siekos in every watch
It did end up getting a name Ascent
Am I the only one that sees a panda sticking it's tongue out?
Now I do 😂
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hahaha now I do! i cant unsee it now hahaha
At first I thought that was a stretch, but, yeah! Darn if it doesn't!
That would have been really obvious if they had colored the date wheel red with white numbers.
I have the blue one and I love it. First off, comes in much more impressive packaging than what Jody received. Definitely on or above par with the price. The blue is also more legible. It also makes it a bit more unique in styling. One thing to consider, is that this is about the cheapest way to get that movement. Most of what I could find were well north of $2k. That makes this an excellent value proposition. And the build quality is just stellar.
When someone is reviewing 30 watches a month it’s easy to get caught up in semantics, the bar gets higher and higher.
I needed to fill the chrono slot in my collection and the Pitzmann checked off the boxes. The super great movement of my diehard Seiko Marinemaster 300m, over 2mm thinner than every chrono I’ve owned (Breitling, Tudor, Tag, Seiko…).
For just having 3 watches in their collection, they’ve done a great job at creating a quality product that looks great.
5 years ago I would’ve never thought of purchasing a micro-brand but the watch industry has dramatically shifted for the better.
The one thing I don’t like about the Pitzmann III is the date. It looks like an afterthought and impossible to see the date without a magnifying glass.
@5:40, you’re correct, those are F1 circuits, though I don’t think anyone would call those classics necessarily. If you look closely you’ll see at least Abu Dhabi at the 9, Singapore at the 2, and I think Korea at the 6?.
ohh good call on korea. it's the one at 12. also donnington is in the middle right. they did host ONE f1 race 30 years ago.... but i guess that counts?
A1 ring is at 1 o clock
but im fairly sure some of those aren't F1 circuits.
@@punkypink83One of them is Watkins Glen!
not all of them are F1 circuits, i can recognize Donington park in the middle and road america at 7 I think? . What a strange selection of circuits to be honest.
Yes, Road America at the 7, Laguna Seca at the 5?
Well I noticed the Korean F1 track at the 11, Austrias Red Bull Ring at the 12, Singapore Street circuit around the 3 o'clock and Abu Dhabi at the 9 o'clock.
There's a few i recognise but can't put my finger on though
I do think one part that they've nailed (perhaps at the expense of WR) is the thickness. 13.2mm is really not bad for an automatic chronograph when most alternatives are in the 15mm range.
Someone pointed out why not just get a Speedtimer - the automatic versions are really much larger than this. Frankly, I sold my Hamilton intramatic auto because the thickness was just a bit much at the end of the day. The fact they were able to fit everything in the package their presenting is pretty impressive.
Excellent point. Where I disagree with Jody on this watch is that I think that 50m water resistance is more than adequate, and pushing (pointlessly) for more would result in a thicker watch.
@@ivanharlokin Who exactly keeps on swimming or snorkeling with mechanical watches? And especially chronographs? I rarely see a person with a mechanical watch in the day-to-day life. 50m is absolutely perfect for a sport chrono. That watch would be on a rally leather strap half the time anyway.
I've bought the white one and it is a stunning watch to wear. I love the weight and it fits my 6 ⅞wrist perfectly. Best $1200 on a watch yet haha
I bought the ice blue version. It hasn't left my wrist since it arrived just over a week ago. It's by far the most beautiful watch I've owned so far.
Very cool Homage, at least from the Look and complication. The price is a bit outside from what I would be willing to pay. Definitely a good option for someone that wants an "affordable" Daytona style chronograph. Thanks Jody 👍🏽
Loved the outdoor shot at the end. You should do more like these.
Really great to see an Erebus 2 announcement is coming! I wanted to support the first model, but it wasn’t exactly for me. Can’t wait to see the next!
I love the skeletonized hands, maybe shouldve darkened them or sth, but hands blocking the subdials is a frequent annoyance of mine, who uses the chrono function often. Also, props for launching a chrono and not another microband diver as their first tool watch
It's a,very nice looking watch. I suppose it's totally impossible to come up with a white dial, black subdial chronograph that doesn't copy something. It actually reminds me of a Seiko chrono though I can't remember the model number. 50m water resistance is definitely not enough. 100m is the comfort zone for everything bar a dress watch. Excellent review Jody !
Yes sir…8R series are very serious movements! Nice watch.
I’m like 99.99% sure this is the movement tag tried to pass off as in-house also. That movements doesn’t come cheap at all.
Taking a chunk out of the subdial that's parially hanging out into the main dial just to put a date window utterly ruins the lines for me. I know some people don't like 4:30 date windows but for a three-register chrono I feel like this glaring scar just doesn't work. Maybe 12 o'clock? Or something entirely within the subdial rather than bridging it? Otherwise seems quite nice. Pitzmann seems to be shaping up quite nicely otherwise as another fine CW-level brand. Nice to have more relatively affordable high quality.
I thought it was actually quite a nice compromise, especially as the 12 hour is the least used sundial, and they used some colour. 🤷
@@JustOneMoreWatch That's very fair, and I was thinking that the hour subdial is the one to block because it's least used and easier to "eyeball" how many hours have passed without a visible metric.
But the "straddling" thing just hurts me in an OCD way. I think if the date had been entirely in the subdial I'd have liked it more?
Separate from that, thanks for your great work! You're my favorite youtuber.
@@JustOneMoreWatch a "sundial" does it have good lume? 😂
@@JustOneMoreWatchagreed. I really like the date placement, and that they made the date red adds a nice bit of color and visual interest
I like the brand a lot. I have the Pitzman one. I’ll wait on this one, hoping that they’ll do some different variations. This does look like a great value, however.
Stunning watch. Looks unique enough. Wouldn't mind seeing more watches using that movement.
My brother bought this one immediately on release. Looks great in person and he loves it. Really nice build quality. I think they are following the christopher ward business model. Do a few great homage watches and then go for some originals later.
i think on the one hand it certainly looks like the daytona and the speedtimer... on the other hand how many ways can you make a 3 subdial chrono without it looking a bit... vegemite like the seiko SFJ00X series you recently reviewed?
i actually like that they've managed to put the date window at 6 instead of at the 4, 4.30 position like so many other 3 6 9 subdial chronos annoyingly do so.
The date position is perfect. How often are you going to use a 12 hour subdial anyway?
Very good point. Of the several ways to do a 3 sub dial placement, this version is my preferred choice.
As always a very objective review, good job!
I see the Singapore street circuit, and possibly Nurburgring?
The one near top right is definitely Watkins Glen International GP circuit.
Ooooohhh cool idea, actually do the f1 circuits on the back of a watch!
Interesting: a more critical review than I probably would have expected. I think this looks fantastic and has made me reconsider whether I would not actually like to add a chrono to my collection. Certainly, I'd prefer that to be automatic, and then, really, what choice do you have if you don't want to spend too much? Surely, this has the measurements, execution, and styling with just about as much improvements over the big boy as that it misses out on some things. I used to be in the 10atm camp all the way, but really, I don't see why anyone would deliberately enter the water with this and generally, one actually can, even with 5atm as long as they're not having too high expectations. Fair enough though, I reckon it should have been possible to offer 10atm, so why not do it? The bracelet length seems an odd one. Certainly there seemed to be plenty of spare length with the II, so why not with the 3? Is it because Pitzmann knew your size (you do advertise it regularly, after all)? The lume performance is a downside. Not because I think lume generally performs such an essential function, but that decay on the hands looked to be too quick. The handset, though, I think I'd truffle not to see it, but granted, with the white lume, I think one is better off with the ice blue version, which I think may just look a little better anyway. Given just how often the quality of Pitzmann is raved about, I think this is an easy one to recommend for those into chronos that have some budgetary restraints, but that's coming from someone who doesn't normally wear chronos and has had no hands-on experience with this one.
That date there. Wow. I hadn't realised. Fantastic. I'm in
This is great insight Jody. Thanks for sharing.
I truly love Pitzmann Watches and this one is no different.
Nonetheless, I feel you hit the nail on the head with your niggles … but they wouldn’t be showstoppers for me.
I’d get myself the “Ice Blue” version 😍
Their webpage says that they unveiled a new watch under the project name "Deuce" ... Does that mean that they dropped a deuce? 🤣🤣
Y'know for a horology priority collector this represents great value, the auto column wheel entry point in Swiss is £5g+ for Zenith, Tags, this is seriously in the same ballpark for 3Gs less........try and find a Seiko at this price and specs
For me a butterfly clasp doesn't belong on any sports watch. The last thing you want is your watch flopping around on your wrist. It's the reason I didn't buy an aqua tera reaceantly.
I quite like the look. It skews closer to the Primero, but changes all the design elements I didn't like in the original
Those are Definitely race tracks! No doubt.
Would be curious how this compares to the Sugess chrono with the Peacock SL-4801 mvt for under $400
I've been wearing my Pitzmann Chronograph since it arrived just over a week ago. It's absolutely stunning. In terms of design cues, it's closer to a Zenith Yoshida Special Edition but for a 5th of the price and with a well-respected Seiko automatic chronograph movement. It's my first automatic chronograph and I'm very happy with it. Definitely recommend!
All that money for something that won't fit properly. Just like a lot of grand seikos! I'll pass...
I don't like chronographs at all so I'm probably biased but putting that movement in shows they are serious, lets hope its better than the NH35 at actually telling the time. It will probably be more reliable than the obvious Seagull alternative. And the build quality looks pretty good. I've got a really nice Tissot and its name is a 12 digit number so I couldn't tell you what it is, at least this naming scheme will let you differentiate between their products for a while yet.
It's a gorgeous looking watch, I really like it. But I can already hear the Rolex gatekeepers sharpen their knives...😬
Nice, except for the three littler clocks on the clock face, the confusing rings, and the extra hands and buttons... Does it have a day/date? And most important does it fit my 9 inch Dutch average wrist? Do they sell nice clean clear watches too?
It has the date, no day, they say the bracelet is for up to 10 in but you can probably request more links just to be safe.
I absolutely love it.
The Breitling Navitimer may only be water resistant to 30 meters but the Omega Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch is to 50 meters 😉
I think it’s worth every dollar; HOWEVER, the price puts them in a VERY crowded group. I am interested to see where they from here though. Thanks!
Too late. Been looking for a Daytona style for a while. Nothing great going on during the Ali sale. Decided to go with a Citizen CB5874-90A. Looks great, feels great, perpetual calendar, and it's radio controlled so it's always accurate. Set the time zone to NYC and done, the watch took care of the rest! Very happy with it. You need to get a radio controlled on your channel.
Nearly everywhere watch copies each other's design in one way or another. It's inevitable because a watch has such a centralised function.
The Blue Face will be in my collection. Wow. Love your show by the way Thanks!
That's a good price for a mechanical chronograph with an 8R movement 🎉
I find this watch pretty convincing
Yes
Brands Hatch, Red Bull Ring, Watkins Glen, Road America, ...
Beautiful...
It appears well made but so does a San Martin, as for the movement - many reputable genuine watch suppliers are selling the NE88 for $300 ( £238 GBP) as opposed to your rather expensive eBay search. Always interesting to see what's out there - great content as ever.
This is a stunning watch with and amazing movement, big tick from me
Modern Speedmasters have 50m of water resistance
One of the circuits is Singapore
Amazing looking watch and the quality looks top notch, but man that name...
The lume and bracelet are dealbreakers for me at this price. Should be much better.
I've been moist for an NE88 but I have a 7.5" wrist. I can forgive the water resistance, and probably live with the legibility (nothing beats a Speedy) but the bracelet makes it a pass.
Great vid. Too much money for the whole package. I think this will sell well in Korea though. Love the wink at the end. LOL.
Looks like any other chronograph, not copying anyone or anything.
those ARE racing tracks on the caseback. classic tracks maybe not(like come on yas marina is in there xD) but they're at the very least racetracks.
Well, if they can't be named, then they are just squiggly lines!
@@JustOneMoreWatch give me a moment im sure i can name them all 🤣
@@JustOneMoreWatch alright i recognise abi dhabi(aka yas marina), austria (A1 ring), and singapore in there. i don't think they're F1 specific as donnington park is in there too, unless you count the ONE time they hosted F1 in 93. a few others are familiar, and there's an oval in there so we could charitably call it the indy speedway xD
The Marina Bay Street Circuit is clear enough, Pitzmann being a Singapore brand.
Spaghetti! I’m now hungry.
I think this is. a stunning piece especially the blue. I to would like 100m WR but the rest is like Jody says a moan and niggle. I think we need to not expect all watches to have micro adjust etc because it’s the variety of watches that keeps us buying them.
If I had the cash I’d buy this in a heartbeat.
Nice, but the bracelet issues would be a deal-breaker for me.
Personally, I think it looks less busy and more legible than either the Zenith or Rolex. Just a better looking watch overall. Give it the improvements you suggest and I'd be very willing to drop cash for one.
I don't know of ANY swiss or Japanese auto chronographs for $1299 USD. Do you? Please help me out.
Who is the brand named for?
Pity they couldn't come up with some more genuine-sounding Korean name.
Magic they managed to make that movement cased thinner, but yes design should've been less derivative. A lot of potential
I like it, but it's out of my price range. Definitely think it looks better than the new/current mechanical Speed Timer though.
If I could buy one watch right now, this would be it. The movement is supreme imo, but it's a little out of my price range. Instead, I'll drool at this and buy another tissot and san martin like I did 😅
This is a complicated premise Jody. Popcorn ready...
Interesting that Seiko uses their Magic Lever mechanism even in their high-end movements and how similar the movement in the video looks to something like a 7s26 at first glance.
yes, I've said that many times.
Jody's really working up a sweat in his watch dungeon to bring us Korea's latest...
Great looking watch, but it would have been far better as a no date. I am just not sure if i would spend over £1100 on one, though.
love your t-shirt
I kind of like it....
I am German and arrived just 1 hour ago the first time in Scottland/Edinburgh for sight seeing. Maybe I also find the path of becoming a watchoholic haha
I hope the weather improves for you.
How accurate is the Seiko Movement?
pretty darn
@@junesurfdog
Not very!
+25/-15 seconds/day (Seiko "C" standard)
Might just be me, I figure I wouldn't call a panda, surely the most common color for a chrono, unoriginal. Especially if hypothetically I made a dive watch which could be confused with a Helm with a Pelagos bezel 😅
I wouldn't get an automatic chrono. Extra thickness isn't worth it. Winding watches is easy and I rarely wear the same watch for more than a day or two anyway.
Different case, different markers, handset, bezel-font and sub-registers design. If all those things we're true for a dive-watch, we wouldn't call it a submariner copy. By those criteria we would have to call said Rolex a fifty-fathoms copy.
Nice seductive wink there Jody 😂😂
I think they missed a chance to create a Seiko 6138 homage with that movement.
Don't get me started!
E.g. Glock model nomenclature. Your first model is 1, and you go from there.
If nothing else, I am an ardent and staunch supporter of their naming convention. Watch looks pretty sweet too, but not likely to buy one at that price even if it is or is not worth it. If I took the time to save that long to afford it, there would be other watches in front of it I would likely go for first.
Reminds me of Pagani Design
For just pennies on the dollar and it keeps perfect time.
"Two...three...you know what comes after three?"
"Four?"
--Desperate Housewives
I just don't like it, the ring cutting through the indices makes it a but weird to my eyes. Impressive movement for sure, especially as until recently it was hard to get but not for me.
Disappointing WR rating and with my 8 inch wrists I doubt it'd even fit me.... too bad, as it's a nice looking piece!
Ok , great build quality & great movement- but obscure brand😮 just seems too pricey for a design that’s way too close to many other watches..With obvious exception of patriotic Koreans, I can’t see why anyone would buy this rather than a version of a Seiko speedtimer...the value to cost of this just doesn’t add-up. I hope the brand puts its resources & built quality towards more original designs...
I think some people like the more niche brand, though I almost wish their name sounded more Korean
Not sure I agree, argument in comment.
Here is why the Speed Timer will never see the inside of my watch box: as a pilot I NEED a 12 hour totalizer. Go look at any tri-compax mechanical chronograph. Find ANY with the absolutely moronic 24 hour dial? Nope, if you are not spelunking or taking a space walk……well, like I said…..moronic waste of dial space. If you want a cheap tri-compax with a 12 hr totalizer then try the mecha-Quartz Seiko movement VK-67. If Seiko had done that on the Speed Timer I would have snatched it up. That’s why. ☮️
Absolute snoresville. Such a bland stamped dial presentation. If I'm paying this kind of money you've got to up your logo game.
Not to mention this brand sold reassembled watches (used for youtube review) as mint condition in Korea. Which is why they can barely do any marketing in Korea. RUclipsrs delete this comment or just ignore when mentioned 🧐
I think it has more of a Tag Heuer Carrera chrono vibe than the daytona.
Yeah but who needs a chronograph? Spaghetti timing can be done with the ubiquitous dive watch.
Quite apart from that, nah!
this is an example where the date wheel should be the same colour as the sub dial.
Hard to disagree with you on anything in this review, Jody ..
Short of a day complication it’s just a lovely watch. Are we running at 4 hertz Jody? Yak bak when able and Thanks!
I've got Desiigner in my head now...
For not much more scratch, I'd be looking at a chronograph from Farer.
Most watches on the channel are a copy.
Those lugs are hideous though so it’s very unique IMO.
20mm lug width is very microbrand these days.
The korean named their watch the way they name their phones. In no time we'll have pitzmann 27 XL Pro Max
brilliant
It is a homage and i coukd never do that. Its nice, good movement etc but its a copy. Never
Lovely watch but price, non adjustability 😬
Don't knock the name - it worked for Rocky
For a second I thought this was the HVD agian
Their designs seem to never be extremely original, always classic designs with distinctive touches, such as the lug shape. I like them overall.
Solid looking watch.
Does anyone use the Tach scales?