This is the least popular pinned comment I've ever seen in my life. I'm not arguing with Tech YES City, just saying that it's so weird to pin a comment so late, lol.
@Tech YES City: Don't worry. With your skill in finding old PC-parts, you could probably find a Kaveri 7850k + FM2+ Mobo for $50 or so. And why have friends when you can have stuff ;) Spoiler alert, I got my Kaveri-system for less than $60 excl. RAM. It's about the same performance with worse power-efficiency.
Yup, I guess AMD was just giving the people what they wanted, the best Architecture of ALL TIME Paired with the Best IGP Graphics, to Deliver the MASSIVE 30FPS Gaming! I LOVE THE FUTURE!!!
Well it's good that they're cheap because being on the AM4 platform will allow those with a lower budget an easy upgrade path in the future were they to get the next Ryzen-based APU's that AMD comes out with.
It's not just budget builds, but more slim mITX builds, no dGPU possible. HTPC that can do light gaming, AMD's APU has always filled that niche quite well. Zen APU should take it to the next level!
Hardware Unboxed How about a build like this one? pcpartpicker.com/list/B6pVVY While it sucks that AMD still doesn't have Zen/Vega based APUs on the market, this could at least tide over people that want to make a super compact 2.5 liter APU build until they come out.
HTPC's are a thing of the past now, i thought about making one but i decided to go for a Shield TV from Nvidia earlier this year. I have 2 of them already now :D BEAST little machines and if you have a good nvidia gpu (i have a 1070) you can stream your games all over the house too! They also play 4K Netflix or any media codec you can think of.
Planet Kuruto nope they just made a 2017 revision for the same price of 199$. I have both models and they are identical. Except with the 2017 you get a better controller and the remote for free. Great deal
I agree that this APU is garbage and anything failvator is garbage, but it bothers me when people say "for only this much more money you can get this instead" Yeah, for only $70 more i can get the 1200 with the GT 1030 instead, and for only $40 more on top of that I can get the RX 560 instead, and then for $35 more I can get the GTX 1050 Ti, and so on and so forth. If someone's budget is whatever it may be, then that's what their budget it, and you're not in any place to tell them to save up more and get something better, because if they could. they would, people aren't retarded, and just because you get GTX 1080 Ti 's sent in for free doesn't mean people have access to the same vast, far reaching budgets some of these popular youtbers do.
+ Hardware Unboxed ...By paying 70-100% more than your budget allows? fact is the comparisons made were unfair ones. I'm not saying the APU is good, but no fair comparison was made with it.
"be smart with your money" are you kidding me? You are arguing that someone should spend $70 more to obfuscate their upgrade path. By buying a 1030 you make your total build cost higher when you make the jump to a 1070 or 1080 and lessen the relative increase in performance that you get for that cost. By buying a Ryzen 3 1200 you get a processor that is better than the A12-9800, but in exchange you MUST purchase a discrete graphics card. Also again this component is nearly useless without a card which makes it an effective loss whereas an upgrade from the A12-9800 leaves you will an APU that would be perfect for a low-power machine for your living room (where most people wouldn't want or can't justify the cost of a dedicated graphics card). As for gaming the A12 is more than sufficient to push 60@720p which is comparable to more than a few titles on consoles (Titanfall, Battlefront, and Watchdogs come to mind). As someone who had to game on an extremely small budget until a year or two ago this video comes off as you being a graphics snob who is detrimental to new/poor PC gamers ability to enjoy a medium that we all love.
Of course in the original Star Wars, despite what Obi-Wan claimed, those were in fact the droids the Stormtroopers were looking for. Soooo... should I consider this to be a glowing endorsement for the AMD A12-9800 then Steve?
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Just keep in mind that this cpus came out almost a year ago for budget business market. They started selling them on retail markets now only because they do not have any cpus on sub 100 usd market. There is place for x4 950 if you ask me and only as a placeholder cpu for b350 until you can afford something zen based or until something better (zen 2, 3) comes along to am4 boards. I am quite certain that some early adopters will resell 1600 and 1700 when something faster comes along and athlon and apu owners will buy those.
Hardware Unboxed Is this part of the top 5 worst CPU now? If it's half price and still a hard pass is this the worst CPU ever even the i3 7350k is better
Hardware Unboxed Hah undoubtedly, was just funny that my phone decided to sync with blue tooth speaker for this video. Your intro just made it gold :) Now get some sleep Steve! Edit: never mind forget time zones are a thing. Carry on sir!
AMD Raven Ridge APU will have 12 NGCUs, which means 768 stream processors. The APU will feature 4 cores and 8 threads and SMT will be enabled. The chip will also have a dual-channel DDR4 integrated memory controller. The leak reveals 2 versions of the APU, one will have 12 NGCUs while the other will have 8. The AMD Raven Ridge APU will most likely be featured in laptops and 2-in-1 hybrid devices. We should be able to see these APUs later this year according to the AMD roadmap.
Based on what we know about Intel's desktop chips, and how they scale down into mobile chips.... we can actually infer how the Raven Ridge chips will behave since we can make some educated guesstimates based on Ryzen. We do have current offerings from Intel in the shape of: 35W TDP, 3.4GHz 4c/8t, chips. Which draws around 8W power at Idle, around 24W mixed-load, and tops out at 34W when full-load. The performance is roughly CineBench R15 single-core score of 160cb and multicore of 705cb. And the Intel Iris HD iGPU can produce a FireStrike graphics score of 1,200. Temperatures between the two should be similar, but ultimately depend immensely on the specific laptop's design. AMD would do something similar in the shape of: 35W TDP, 2.9GHz 4c/8t chips. Which draws around 10W power at Idle, around 20W mixed-load, and tops out at 30W when full-load. The performance could be around CineBench R15 single-core score of 130cb and multicore of 650cb. And the polished mobileVega GPU could perhaps produce a FireStrike graphics score of around 3,100. Temperatures between the two should be similar, but ultimately depend immensely on the specific laptop's design. We can't be too sure about how AMD's Vega will behave in a mobile setup. Will it be better than their desktop counterparts? Will it be more efficient than Intel's great Iris GPUs? Will it be more efficient than Nvidia's new Pascal GPUs? I have a hunch it will be between Intel and Nvidia in-terms of efficiency, and a lot lot better than how their desktop Vega cards have been behaving. Which is why I rated it the way I did. I used laptop graphics cards like the GTX 960M, MX 150, and GTX 1050 to get a better gauge.
FPU ? Did you mean the GPU ? or the Floating-Point? I was talking about Raven Ridge.... you know the mobile/laptop chips from AMD based on Ryzen-Vega. They're similar to Intel, but are slightly different, and are actually called APU's (Accelerated Processing Units) not to be confused with Apu from The Simpsons. So far AMD's IPC is about equal to Sandy Bridge-Ivy Bridge-Haswell. And their Vega GPU's are slightly above Polaris, but definitely below Pascal. Hence, why I put the figure where they are. Keep in mind that Pascal on a 25W TDP power draw gets around 3,800 points FireStrike graphics score (GT 1030). So it would be ridiculous to ask for more performance for Vega and a lower power drain. We know Pascal is more efficient.
Kangal i wouldn't necessarily conclude that. Vega seems to be ridiculously overvolted in factory. We don't have any idea of it's efficiency curve at low power. For all we know it could be great, or terrible. Also keep in mind pascal doesn't support many of the more exotic compute features that vega does, whether relevant or not. Pascal doesn't have to carry that baggage in laptops.
I have to disagree. I needed a computer in my garage. Got a B350 ATX motherboard with a8 9600. My gaming compter is 3 years old and in 2 years from now it will move into the garage. Then I will take this motherboard with with the 2x8gig ram, upgrade that to 16 and slam in the best cpu in 2020 as AMD said they will support it till then. I can then take this A8 cpu and throw it in the garbage. To buy two years with a supported platform with a igpu for $70 is not bad in my mind. All I need it to do is online searching and play youtube videos in the garage. I would have spent more for a ryzen 1200 and a discrete card that would have served no purpose.
You would have been worlds better off being a G4560 with a GT 1030 or even GTX 1050. Sell that when you are ready to update and get something else, for the next 2 years this will serve you so much better. That said if you don't need to game then the iGPU in the G4560 will be fine and you've actaully saved a lot of money on a CPU that is significantly more powerful for web browsing tasks. Alternatively you could have waited and got a Ryzen based desktop APU next month.
nope, you completely missed the point, I have a fully functioning computer right now that serves perfectly fine for every aspect I need which includes surfing the web and watching youtube when I built it................and not February. Now what you suggested ill be trying to sell a dated computer in 2 years from now that will go for half of the value. A gtx 1030 will be worthless in 2 years from now. An operating system is $120 to start for window 10 home........I run pro. I can take that A8 8600 APU, sell it for $25 or throw it in the garbage and I will still be ahead because I did not have to buy anther operating system with motherboard upgrade or have to deal with the BS behind it. You have to understand. Not everyone is interested in swapping out motherboards every year or 2 and trying to sell the components off and want to deal with operating systems. I look forward to the fact I can drop in a ryzen cpu/apu/UFO in a 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen release in 2020 no matter what and be done with it in 10 minutes. My time is more valuable then building multiple computers and trying to sell the stuff off later.and your painting the picture of this APU with your ideals, open your world and your mind up a little. A G4560 would have NOT been worlds different for searching info on google. Your synthetic benchmarks meaning nothing for day to day tasks of youtube and googling. Put a G4560 along side the A8 9600 and google this video, good luck trying to find a meaningful difference. This is where you missed the point and the value of this chip.
I thought I missed the release of the zen based apu's and was wondering how no other tech outlet was talking about it. Lol As great as ryzen is AMDs bread and butter in terms of profit will be the Apu's once they get around to releasing them.
Gee what a quick turn around time from getting it in. Thanks for the shout out haha. hahahaha funny as. Talk about cramming a turd in your AM4 socket. .... Well i had a good laugh.
It clearly is, you're paying 20% more for the Ryzen 3 1200 and that's only including the motherboard, memory and GT 1030 into the cost. For an entire system it will be like 5%.
I'm with Steve here. Using Athlon as a placeholder instead of an R3 1200 doesn't make sense. There isn't much of a price difference between the two. You'll also have a better experience with the R3 as it is based on Zen while the Athlon is still on Excavator arch.
Maybe it depends on the gpu. If you have a 1050 ti or equivalent, the athlon doesn't bottleneck, while not having to pay double the money for a R3 1200
Placeholder are bad idea in current time, better wait a little longer to get more money, or wait for final product. Difference are so low, so u can do few hour part job and you get different. And if you use up to GeForce 1060, R3 are better then Pentium, because GPU are bottleneck, and R3 give more raw power. Or if u want cheaper go for Pentium, no different in result in games, but from my experience better have 4core and can play with few programs in background.
KMAC excavator was technically impressive given what bulldozer was. It was a huge step up over steamroller in performance and efficiency ( up to 15% ipc when not bottlenecked by l2, at considerably lower power and size). It still wasn't enough to fight intel though
Jokes: do you get them? Compared to AMDs previous architectures (early 2000s) that competed with Intel and Ryzen now, Bulldozer/Excavator were absolute huge failures as Intel blew them away relatively speaking. Yeah compared to bulldozer it was a big improvement, but thats like saying doing a car is improved upon because it runs whereas the one before it was exploding. So when you compare it to the other choices on the market at the time. ie Intel's Sandy/Ivy Bridge (which were enormous successes) it was a big failure and did dig its own grave and is kinda why AMD has taken so long to get back in the game. With a vengeance now though: I did a Ryzen 1700 build but used Intel for the past decade or so beforehand because AMD Excavator and Bulldozer simply were NOT competitive.
KMAC I'm more inclined to think of it in terms of the engineering required. Not the actual results. Many crucial aspects of the ryzen architecture originated in excavator. AMD learned a lot from bulldozer, and it helped them make ryzen what it is today. Just like intel learned a lot of things with netburst. What's pretty cool, is that excavator could get pretty damn close to nehalem in some workloads, while bulldozer had trouble matching kentsfield. I recon that if excavator had been what amd released in 2011, things might have been a lot different. And yes, i do get the joke.
Hydrochloric Acid I studied ECE so I can appreciate it from that aspect but from the viewpoint of a consumer who builds PCs for a long time and would have liked more competition so that Intel didn't just sit on it's ass it was certified dead by the coroner and put six feet under. Shame too because if AMD stayed competitive and put more into it then think of how Ryzen would be now. Also a shame that these APUs aren't good.....I wonder what happened here.
Ontej Marejko it's not amazing for anyone actually, it costs a lot more than the g4560 which is a much better cpu and the g4560 has integrated graphics too. overall it's a pointless cpu.
Adrian Ho if that is the case, it still puts the entire Bristol ridge lineup except the A8 9600 in a bad spot. The A10 & A12 are comparatively bad value
Adrian Ho it still doesn't make sense, you could just buy an old i5 2500 and like a 750ti for just a bit more than the a12. the raven ridge apu's will be better.
But the older, used system will not have an upgrade path for the future. Getting one of these with an AM4 motherboard will set you up for future upgrades well into 2020, according to AMD. Just replace the Bristol Ridge chip with a better APU later down the line and you are done. If you go for an old Intel chip you'll also have to get a new motherboard and RAM if you ever want to upgrade, so it's much more expensive.
+Vally123 So do you also think Kaby Lake X is a good idea? I mean it has an upgrade path right? Futureproofing at the expense of present performance is a stupid idea, especially at this low of a budget where you don't lose much by abandoning the platform.
This version of Excavator was supposed to feature some mild improvements, but all we've seen is the same old performance exhibited by the 845 with a small clock boost. Even if the CPU was being throttled and there was a way past that, it wouldn't really change things. They're overclocked mobile products which made more sense in their original guise when compared to old Atom or i3 setups but very few Carrizo machines even had dual channel memory, let alone anything actually premium. Raven Ridge simply cannot come quickly enough.
I 100 Percent Agree with you Steve! I love me a good product, whether its from Intel or AMD, and funny enough, have personally paid for more AMD chips in my lifetime then Intel. I used to Run my Studio off a 6 Core Phenom Chip and then Upgraded to an 8 Core 8350 which even though sucked at single core operations, treated me well In Protools and recording once matched with an SSD. With that being said, I had a client who went out a bought an OEM PC with these garbage chips in them without consulting me first, and then he called me when his system wasn't even doing the basic task of surfing the web and checking email without waiting for what seemed like days for each task. I got down to diagnosing, and quickly realized that his new A12-9800 Based chip was absolute garbage, and not worth time of day. I ran a few benchmarks on it as well and was sad that it couldn't even match the single threaded performance of my old Phenom that was produced 10 years or so ago. I finally convinced him to let me package it up and take it back, and ended up getting him a cheap Pentium G4560 Based system from the same OEM Manufacturer and actually paid LESS for it. I paired it with an SSD and a Fresh Copy of Win 10 to get rid of all the junkware, and he can't believe how much faster it is. If people only took the time to do a little research they wouldn't let themselves get fooled. Any ways, great video, and good audio too my friend ;-) Keep up the good work!
Seriously??? If you aren't just joking I HAVE to see that! I have worked in Studios Almost My Entire Adult Career and thats one thing I don't think I have ever seen, but a clever solution to the shock mount issues you were having, I would love to see it. If you were just joking then, lol! What ever you have done is certainly working my friend!
Well I might just be the only person who was ever complaining, so I apologize for giving you a hard time, but you are awesome for fixing the issue with a clever solution! Thanks for being awesome and bringing us awesome content! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Forgive the questioning but the memory bandwidth seems extremely sketchy... Are you sure the DIMMS were installed in dual channel? Also I know you didn't bothered with overclocking but there is very little evidence in the videography to sustain the claim these APUs can reach over 4.5 GHz and attain decent performance, so if you can show proof of the capabilities to unlock the frequency it would be awesome! Thanks for your hard work!
Are you kidding? These CPU's are awesome value. Maybe not the A12 so much. But I switched from an i5 6400 to an A8 9600 and to be honest I dont notice much difference with my GTX 1060. People are even playing games like Battlefront 2 with the iGPU of the A8. So it is a very good option, if your old System broke and you want to switch to AM4, but dont have the cash and need right now for Ryzen. I am waiting for Star Citizen to get more content before I upgrade to 8 core Zen+ or maybe Zen II, but until that time those APU's, especially the 50,- Dollar A8 9600 are a viable option, if you only have a 1050Ti or 1060. Or no GPU at all. You could still play most games with lowered settings and the iGPU. Only 1070 and up or for some very CPU hungry games Ryzen 3 might be a better option as a filler there.
Fuddy Duddy from a technical standpoint, excavator is pretty damn amazing given that it came from bulldozer. Still couldn't hold its own against intel though.
mostly refined for laptops..., they somehow got the power consumption under control with their mobile chips. Their flagship bristol ridge mobile chip has a tdp of 35w with a 3.7ghz boost. as soon as you go past that, power consumption go to orbit. If they can get that pile of shit to 35w, zen could be something amazing in mobile. they said "50% more ipc at equal power per clock.
What's worse windows 10 is not allways identifieying the A cpus as 1 module and 2 cores (1 core 2 logical units) unless Windows updates its task scheduler to identify the cpu correctly (fx cpus are right)
Nice video Steve. Now we need a full review of the x4 950. You have to test its full potential both at 45w mode, 65w mode, 4.1Ghz and 4.8Ghz. I've seen reach like 60fps avg on BF1 while overclocked. It will be nice make a price to performance comparison against the G4560.
3:10 Riddle me this: why does my FX-9800 in my laptop, basically a downclocked version of the same chip, have more (at least GFX) memory bandwidth available to it than your desktop? I suspect something's misconfigured and dual channel is disabled, as it was at first for my laptop until a BIOS update.
I down voted you and I want you to know why. This is a 65W TDP CPU. Compare it against other 65W TDP CPU's, specifically, Kaveri or Richland. Also, the 35W TDP version of this is basically the AM1 Athlon replacements. How about some comparisons against some of those CPU's? You are right, buying one of these for a "place holder" is stupid. Buying one of these for a MCPC/HTPC, or home server is not. I would like to know if this would be a good replacement for my A8-7600, or my A10-7870K, but I have no way of knowing based off this review.
Thanks for letting me know why, sadly though your reason is very misguided. This isn’t a replacement for existing APUs or even a possible upgrade option. It’s the exact same APUs we always had, re-barged and repackaged for the AM4 platform. They have no advantages over the FM2+ models. If they existed on the same platform then sure, I would have compared them. In the end I tested the A12-9800 first and then evaluated from there. It turned out to be a shocking purchase and it’s NOT a smart or suitable choice for anyone. So I did the best thing I could to protect my viewers and suggest they avoid these APUs at all cost. *I would like to know if this would be a good replacement for my A8-7600, or my A10-7870K, but I have no way of knowing based off this review.* NO, based on the information in the video it should be clear it’s not since I told you these are the same APU’s we already have but re-purposed for the AM4 platform, did you skip that part? Why would anyone throw away their FM2+ motherboard and DDR3 memory to buy a new AM4 board plus DDR4 memory to buy the same CPU architecture? So you disliked a video that gave you the best consumer advise you are likely to find online, good choice!
The A10-7870 and A12-9800 are basically identical in terms of performance, you would basically be wasting money side grading to a new platform. The A12-9800 doesn't have a place in the market. Other CPUs meet or exceed its performance in both CPU and GPU tasks for a similar price point, and it's overqualified to be a HTPC CPU. It doesn't make a good home server either due to the weak IPC.
Varpem not gonna hate R5 1600 awesome 2500k and 2600k to me they are the most decent cpu to get from intel, I mean going to 3rd 4th 6th and 7th are pointless for their marginal ipc gain.
RushDark 4th gen is literally a rebadge of 3rd gen, performance difference at the same clocks are merely identical. get a 3820 for $60-$80 and overclock it to 4.6ghz ezpz
Except even my R5 1500x hands the 2600k its ass. If you're going to buy used intel, by god why are you buying the k series chips? Why would anyone in their right mind buy a SiX YEAR OLD USED Z SERIES MOTHERBOARD? Why? For what purpose? Is that supposed to be smart? You know overclocking shortens both the CPU's and the motherboard's lifespan right? If you're going to buy used Intel, buy a non-k series chip, preferably from Ivy Bridge or Haswell because motherboards aren't supposed to last too long under heavy use. Or, you know, if you're on that tight of a budget and you NEED 4 cores AND overclocking, literally just buy Ryzen. For the same "buy it now" prices I saw the 2600k going for on Ebay without any kind of cooler included you could literally just buy my 1500x and you will be getting a better and more power efficient processor with the same amount of threads, the same base clocks, more L3 cache and a cooler that will allow a modest overclock right in the box. So unless you can find the 2600k for well under 100$, along with a Z series motherboard IN GOOD CONDITION for under 80, it's not worth it in the slightest and you're not smart, and even then those suckers are power hungry as shit after you overclock so good luck with the electric bill. And if you're buying a used i5 in 2017, and the 2500k still goes for G4560 money on ebay without including a cooler, you're even more of an idiot because Ryzen 3 1200 goes for 109 dollars brand new with a cooler included and that's four cores four threads, unlocked, better IPC than Sandy Bridge AND 14nm, with the option to upgrade all the way to 8 cores 16 threads with the same motherboard. Not to mention that when you go used you throw future upgradeability out the damn window and 4 threads is no longer enough in 2017. Where AM4 will let you keep upgrading till 2021, with the 7nm Zen 2 chips set to have way higher clockspeed, and the overclocking B350 chipset is cheap as hell right now at 80$ for an MSI PC mate full size ATX board, even less if you go mATX. So yeah, maybe buying a 2600k makes sense if you already have the Z series 1155 motherboard, a decent aftermarket cooler and DDR3 RAM handy. But in that case you probably already had at least a 2500k already. And none of that applies to new builders. Besides i7 860>2600k any day of the week. And Core 2 Quad>>>any i5.
Thanks for the shout out at the start, but bugger you didn't test ecc. However after seeing the power consumption metrics I don't think I would use it as a ZFS NAS anyway.
COMPLETELY DISAGREE this guy clearly doesnt get how it is to be on a budget let say i have a super strict budget and i have no pc whatsoever but i really need something asap (this is most ppl in school) this is the cheapest way to go on new hardware while staying on a new platform and being able to play games, prolly lowest settings yeah but atleast you can! (i'd go cheapest A8-9600 APU for this example tho, i know this isn't the APU being reviewed but this guy is basically butchering the whole APU/Athlon lineup) other choices would be: - going intel platform (expensive Mobos and G4560 super overpriced atm) - going used (not everyone is ok with this and you'll most likely end up on an old platform) - discrete GPU (too expensive already) so NO and NO, this is the only way to go, imo its a life saver while having a student super strict budget and still getting the option to get onto the newest platform for future upgrades once your parents feel like you deserve it.
I think he missed point too. But I think is better to loan some money, and by R3+ eg GTX 1030, then go for this APU. I don't now cost of motherboard, but Ryzen R3 have fan with it, so is not so much more expensive then Pentium, and for this little money i will think about second hand, they are cheap, sometimes mind blowing cheap.
but then you'll have to buy a new processor when you upgrade anyway...get a ryzen 1200 and stick in a second hand gt 210..it will cost a little bit more,but when you upgrade,it will save a lot of money
+Yuzakk Kronos As he said, buying these CPUs/APUs as a placeholder just for the sake of futureproofing/upgrade path makes about as much sense as Kaby Lake X. If it's just a temporary solution and you aren't spending much money on it than who cares if you get an older platform; just buy a cheap or used OEM PC and switch platforms when you graduate or have the money to do it right.
I bought one of these for my mITX build, fully knowing that it doesn't have any Zen cores in it. The advantage was that I was able to build a system with integrated graphics *now* instead of waiting a year for Raven Ridge, but I'll definitely replace the A12-9800 with a better Raven Ridge chip as soon as they become available. The Bristol Ridge chip will then be migrated into a HTPC for my mother, since the Raspberry Pi 2 she currently has is definitely running into some limitations in terms of RAM, processing and graphics power, not to mention the comparatively low amount of software available for ARM systems. So yeah, put these chips into a super small case without a discrete graphics card and use them as HTPC and console replacement for retro emulation and indie titles and you'll probably have a pretty good time with them. But don't expect amazing AAA gaming performance out of them. Know what you are in for, and these chips can be amazing in the right use case.
Why someone by apu and use external graphic? I think your test on Titan Pascal are pointless, and shouldn't be added. I like your channel, but I must give you dislike, because if someone want use even GeForce 1030 he will buy R3 1200 or Pentium G4560, so next pointless tests.
they are for when someone who owns this apu or integrated gpu from intel get money to buy a graphic card.. For example,I am putting off buying a ryzen 1200 because I HAVE to get a graphic card with it,or the monitor wont work.
GraveUypo Because in gaming R7 are same or worst then R5, so there is not point to adding it, they are great for content creator if u not go for Threadripper.
Kakashi Hatake but if u add few $ more u get R3 1200 and GTX 1030 and have a lot better experience in game. Some times is not worth adding few $ more, because increase in performance is linear or worst, but in this case you get for few $ some times multiple fps then on this APU, and I think is not so hard to hold month longer to get R3 + 1030, is really better, this are only good for kids who not play games, if you not play games, and only use facebook, youtube, excel (normal use), emails etc this APU start make sens, but this channel is not aiming for people how not play games.
+ Sędziwój They are also to satisfy the people requesting an Athlon X4 950 review, since the A12 and Athlon CPU performance is identical. Using a Titan allows you to be absolutely sure that there was no GPU bottleneck; that's how you test the CPU framerate. The number of times I see this "unrealistic pairing" complaint...it's the right way to test CPU performance, and you can extrapolate the results to other GPUs. If you use a super slow GPU and cause a GPU bottleneck then an Athlon/A12 can get identical frames to a 7700k; it's a useless result.
I was able to purchase an Athlon X4 950, ASUS motherboard, and 8GB DDR4 memory for under $200. Granted, that's mostly because the motherboard was on sale at newegg (still is until this upcoming Wednesday). I compared that to upgrading to the Pentium that you mentioned in this video, and determined that it would cost me more than what I paid for the AMD setup. Mind you, I'm upgrading from an LGA775 socket Q9550. So this Athlon should be a fair bit better than what I have now.
Thanks for giving it to us straight :D I agree that AMD will just get negative reputation with these chips and tarnish all the good work they've done so far.
So Steve, are you going to revise your "Top 5 Worst CPUs" Video to Include these Bristol Ridge APUs? I will say you're right. This "Last Huzzah" for Excavator really was just Excavator running off the runway, never getting into the air, and crashing into the sea below in a Nuclear Explosion to wipe out an Entire Island. Great work on this Steve, and Let's hope AMD gets their head out of the rocks regarding their APUs, because frankly, they're god awful.
I do use an A10 7860k on my livingroom running 24/7 (it works as my backup server aswell), it can run 4k (cheap4ktv) videos flaweless and do some light 4players game when need. The thing is i have an RX5808G based Desktop in my room, and i use the stream steam service to play racing/battle games with my family and friends. It has a purpose, and i'm planing to upgrade that PC for a cheap AM4 kit. Maybe i'll give a shot with the A12, to wait until Ryzen APU showup next year?
9:33 That is the exact MOBO I just built a R7 1700 32GB system with. It's been wonderful so far, and I haven't even bothered updating the bios yet. Then again I'm still configuring software and downloading miscellaneous; work scheduling and all. But on my up coming days off...look out!!! Yep, I'm a dork ladies!
I'm just wondering about the i5 7500 score. I've seen one other reviewer show 550ish as the multicore score, but myself and many other scores show it to be around 605. Your show is awesome, I'm just wondering (as if anyone cares besides me about the lowly 7500) why the discrepancy of 8 to 10% exist.
Hate to disappoint you for the effort in trying not to disappoint me, but I've been paying attention to AMD press releases... I already knew the A12-9800 wasn't Ryzen/Vega based and so I'm not disappointed... ;-) It's a bit too bad that there will be some remnants of Excavator infecting the AM4 eco system. But I guess the Ryzen based APU's are still being worked on... I just hope the next gen integrated GPU isn't going to be a "Vega" headache... ;-)
These is one Bristol Ridge APU which makes sense- it is A8 9600 for €60. It can run basically every game at 720p lowest settings, and e-sports- at decent settings. You can not build a cheaper system able to (barely) run games. X4 950 + used dGPU costs at least €30 more, and g4560 or X4 950 OC with used dGPU- €60 more. A12 9800 is also priced at near this level, and is not as good. Only cheaper x4 Bristol Ridge make sense, and only in case you can not afford G4560 + dGPU, which, admittedly, can be much more expensive.
If you want a REALLY budget system, then maybe the A8-9600 plus the cheapest A320 or B350 motherboard + 2x4GB sticks of DDR4 2666 RAM. But for any higher in price than that, or if you are either way going to include a discrete GPU, then forget about Bristol Ridge and 28nm technology and embrace Ryzen R3 1200 or higher or the Pentium G4560 (only the Pentium, don't go higher on the Intel side)
And what if I want a cheapest setup with new parts that will give me a 4K 60fps streaming capabilities and hardware RAID1? Does A12-9800 + 8GB DDR4 2400 + A320 makes sense?
Makes me very happy i had gotten my Ryzen 7 1800x when i had the money to spend on a higher tier cpu. Had thought about getting an apu, but after looking at the results, very glad i didnt.
I paused it at 7:40. This apu seems to serve one purpose. Say you want to build a R5 1600/gtx 1060-70 and are on a tight budget. You then buy everything but the cpu/gpu and use the apu as a filler until you save enough to buy the cpu/gpu.. allowing you to use the pc until finished.
Can you do a video comparing gaming performance between the r3 1200 and the r5 1600 (both overclocked)? No one has covered this topic, and from what I can see both perform the same at gaming @4ghz.
Just bought a 50,- EUR A8-9600, for a media center PC, so far I am having a very pleasant and smooth experience with it. I dont think paying extra for an i3 or even the G4560, which is over 80,- EUR would be worth it, so I was able to spend more on a decent SSD. Also the stock cooler is more quiet, than the intel one. Also, when Star Citizen Squadron 42 is finally out, I can throw in a GTX 3080 Ti and a Ryzen 7 2700, plus a memory upgrade and I am good to go.
Steve, can you do a quick comparison of R3/R5/R7 with a good GPU in BF4? (Trying to setttle a discussion over whether BF4 was in fact more 'core friendly' than 'BF1', which I contend exhibits fairly linear/ good scaling from R3 toR5/1400, and R5-1600)
If you're suggesting the Bristol Ridge stuff is anyway valid because of the upgrade path it's a pointless argument, IT'S NOT! If you just bought a G4560 in the last few months you wouldn't be looking to upgrade to something like the R5 1600 for gaming, for at least another year.
It’s a pretty weak argument. Your options right now are to buy the G4560 + H110 + GPU of your choice for the same price as the Athlon X4 950 + B350 + GPU. The G4560 is significantly faster in all games, significantly more fuel efficient and delivers a much better experience overall. If you want in a years’ time you can get a Core i5 or Core i7 but typically that never happens for people that buy budget CPUs. They just hold on to the system for a few years and then just build an entirely new budget system in the future. If you buy the Athlon X4 950 for $60 US now you won’t be able to achieve acceptable playable performance in most titles, games such as Battlefield 1 and PUBG. Then what? In 1 year you go from buying a $60 CPU to $200 CPU with the R5 1600? (smart, super smart) Right gotcha, seems legit. That’s something budget shoppers often do. At best such a consumer might get a Ryzen 3 1200 but that’s a $50 extra, why not just start there? Buying the X4 950 instead is frankly stupid.
I'd say a more interesting part is the A8-9600 or cheaper since it'd be enough to get a system up and running or simply build an office PC on the AM4 platform. For gamers, a part like the 9800 might only be interesting if you're playing games at 720p, otherwise you''re better off with an R3 1200 for sure.
You don't use APUs from last generation to play 2017 games at 1080p and on Ultra settings... It's also weird that the A12 can't play CS:GO above 60fps which is a source engine, and is well known to be quite capable of getting good performance almost out of most GPU/APU setups...The A12 APU is sorta like laptop graphics so you pretty much utilize smaller resolutions like 720p setups up to 900p... I also think that the Bristol Ridge APUs aren't even properly optimized since AMD had given up on it so badly.
You'll get a higher fps if you overclock the A12 9800 and yes all of the APUs from the Athlon X4 940 to the A12 9800 are overclockable for more info just check out www.amd.com/en
AMD should make TR4 compatible APUs with RX 500 series graphics, 2GB of HBC to lower fetch and draw times and 12 CPU cores for accelerated professional tasks...that would be a monster of an APU!
A-12 9800 is not for the APU itself, it is for the use of normal typing, and is better on the ustage of energy safing, it we want, we can use crossfire with Rx series Graphic card.
I love your videos Steve but I feel the G4600 with the HD630 would have made a slightly more interesting video. Would love to know if the HD 630 would be able to keep up with the APU.
I feel like putting a Titan on one of these was just completely redundant. The point of people buying APUs is to run both a CPU and a GPU on a single chip, so using the new AM4 Athlon X4 CPUs should've been the subject here and not the APUs. That's exactly why it's a budget solution. Doesn't mean it's better that way, it just makes more sense for the product itself. Thankfully, seeing how Ryzen and Vega are at least capable in their standalone forms gives me hope for the Raven Ridge APUs being a huge deal for single-chip, budget gaming builds.
Oh man that A12-9800 got slammed... Raven Ridge should be much better.
You need to shift gears right now and show the haters why they have it so wrong. Some better quality budget builds are needed for the YES MAN!
This is the least popular pinned comment I've ever seen in my life. I'm not arguing with Tech YES City, just saying that it's so weird to pin a comment so late, lol.
@Peter Njeim - I just pinned it, most people that interact have already watched the video. It was pinned about 40K views too late.
Steve knows I am a loner and I am unpopular hence why he did it. #exposed
@Tech YES City: Don't worry. With your skill in finding old PC-parts, you could probably find a Kaveri 7850k + FM2+ Mobo for $50 or so. And why have friends when you can have stuff ;)
Spoiler alert, I got my Kaveri-system for less than $60 excl. RAM. It's about the same performance with worse power-efficiency.
A new 28nm CPU in 2017, seems like a good idea to me...
the fact that it is 28nm ONLY affect power consumption and heat dissipation and not IPC you should know that :/
They were launched for OEM in September 2016. They only got available for consumers just now ... for whatever reason.
Tech Showdown
"New".
LMAO this should be the Top comment.
Yup, I guess AMD was just giving the people what they wanted, the best Architecture of ALL TIME Paired with the Best IGP Graphics, to Deliver the MASSIVE 30FPS Gaming! I LOVE THE FUTURE!!!
We need Ryzen & Vega based APUs
Muthu Kumaran there will be soon. It's codenamed "RavenRidge"
I don't know why he kept saying next year. AMD has said REPEATEDLY that Zen based APUs will be out by end of THIS YEAR
Wasn't it the "end of this year" only for laptop parts and desktop parts will have to wait til next year? Or was I mistaken?
Muthu Kumaran zen+ and intel 9th gen or maybe even 8th gen will bring vega gpus
i cringed a bit!!! i dont want vega on my laptop!! i want a R5 1400 or 1600 with gtx 1030!!! XD
Well these are AM4 APUs, but they're ->NOT
Louisarius These are the Ryzen APUs aren't they???
Teemo4Life - nope, Bulldozer/excavator. Yet they socket to AM4 motherboards
Teemo4Life no. These are bulldozer based. He said so in the video.
Well it's good that they're cheap because being on the AM4 platform will allow those with a lower budget an easy upgrade path in the future were they to get the next Ryzen-based APU's that AMD comes out with.
The only people who benefit from this chip will be 720p gamers who don't want to buy a separate GPU.
It's not just budget builds, but more slim mITX builds, no dGPU possible. HTPC that can do light gaming, AMD's APU has always filled that niche quite well. Zen APU should take it to the next level!
When are you planning your new mITX slim build to take advantage of the A12-9800 mate? Just wondering? :D
Hardware Unboxed How about a build like this one?
pcpartpicker.com/list/B6pVVY
While it sucks that AMD still doesn't have Zen/Vega based APUs on the market, this could at least tide over people that want to make a super compact 2.5 liter APU build until they come out.
HTPC's are a thing of the past now, i thought about making one but i decided to go for a Shield TV from Nvidia earlier this year. I have 2 of them already now :D BEAST little machines and if you have a good nvidia gpu (i have a 1070) you can stream your games all over the house too! They also play 4K Netflix or any media codec you can think of.
Dimi S I'm pretty sure they were discontinued
Planet Kuruto nope they just made a 2017 revision for the same price of 199$. I have both models and they are identical. Except with the 2017 you get a better controller and the remote for free. Great deal
I agree that this APU is garbage and anything failvator is garbage, but it bothers me when people say "for only this much more money you can get this instead"
Yeah, for only $70 more i can get the 1200 with the GT 1030 instead, and for only $40 more on top of that I can get the RX 560 instead, and then for $35 more I can get the GTX 1050 Ti, and so on and so forth. If someone's budget is whatever it may be, then that's what their budget it, and you're not in any place to tell them to save up more and get something better, because if they could. they would, people aren't retarded, and just because you get GTX 1080 Ti 's sent in for free doesn't mean people have access to the same vast, far reaching budgets some of these popular youtbers do.
+ZPERO be smart with your money.
+ Hardware Unboxed
...By paying 70-100% more than your budget allows? fact is the comparisons made were unfair ones. I'm not saying the APU is good, but no fair comparison was made with it.
Mshojat he's just saying you should have some patience and save up a little more money
The market-reality is like that. They don't give you what you need, instead, they give you 1030 and A12 obsolete crap as your real value ;)
"be smart with your money" are you kidding me? You are arguing that someone should spend $70 more to obfuscate their upgrade path.
By buying a 1030 you make your total build cost higher when you make the jump to a 1070 or 1080 and lessen the relative increase in performance that you get for that cost.
By buying a Ryzen 3 1200 you get a processor that is better than the A12-9800, but in exchange you MUST purchase a discrete graphics card. Also again this component is nearly useless without a card which makes it an effective loss whereas an upgrade from the A12-9800 leaves you will an APU that would be perfect for a low-power machine for your living room (where most people wouldn't want or can't justify the cost of a dedicated graphics card).
As for gaming the A12 is more than sufficient to push 60@720p which is comparable to more than a few titles on consoles (Titanfall, Battlefront, and Watchdogs come to mind). As someone who had to game on an extremely small budget until a year or two ago this video comes off as you being a graphics snob who is detrimental to new/poor PC gamers ability to enjoy a medium that we all love.
Buying Excavator chips in 2017 is like buying expired milk on purpose...
Jack Lizzy I do that when I feel suicidal.
Some people like curdled milk
but it's not expired. Theoretically
Yoghurt?
Jack Lizzy even worse is "new milk" that tastes better and won't expire for 2 years is coming out in 4 weeks
BasicallyImHigh why you do that? how that make you feel better?
10/10 title
Are you saying Intel is currently superior in the budget market? What dimension am I in?
The normal one
Intel has always been the king in every situation till now which is debatable though cause of the g4560 and 1200
I am clearly way too tired lmao
Instantly assumed it was about nvidia
I'll delete the other comment and go to bed
Nah, Ryzen Unboxed says just get the R3 1200.
Ryzen Unboxed good reason to change your channel name
Hardware Unboxed eh, was a joke, thanks for the reply though :D
cant wait for the Zen apu! thanks for another great vid.
me too. i have very high hopes. i have a feeling it will be a great budget gaming APU
Of course in the original Star Wars, despite what Obi-Wan claimed, those were in fact the droids the Stormtroopers were looking for. Soooo... should I consider this to be a glowing endorsement for the AMD A12-9800 then Steve?
+Astfgl buy it now. Link is in the video description!
Hardware Unboxed lol, you big troll you.
Affiliate links work for everyone. Even those who like to waste money. Surely Steve won't mind. lol
Just keep in mind that this cpus came out almost a year ago for budget business market. They started selling them on retail markets now only because they do not have any cpus on sub 100 usd market. There is place for x4 950 if you ask me and only as a placeholder cpu for b350 until you can afford something zen based or until something better (zen 2, 3) comes along to am4 boards. I am quite certain that some early adopters will resell 1600 and 1700 when something faster comes along and athlon and apu owners will buy those.
Same price as the 1200 lol. WAT
Should be $50
Even at $50 it's a super hard PASS!
Hardware Unboxed Is this part of the top 5 worst CPU now?
If it's half price and still a hard pass is this the worst CPU ever even the i3 7350k is better
Yes, it's taken number 1 spot ;)
:O
Updated video?
Yeah if amd pay me 50$ no thanks
Very nice review, GJ for your honest opinion. Keep it up! :)
I like the intro...xD
FR34KZ Pretty sure my roommate thinks in watching some old school steamy prono at 2 am after that intro. Lol
BigHeadClan your roommate stopped worrying about what you get up to on your computer a long time ago mate ;)
Hardware Unboxed Hah undoubtedly, was just funny that my phone decided to sync with blue tooth speaker for this video. Your intro just made it gold :)
Now get some sleep Steve!
Edit: never mind forget time zones are a thing. Carry on sir!
Savage Unboxed strikes again! :D
I literally go threw the comments now for these one liners.
You are a legend mate :).
This really doesn't make sense compared to the price and better performance of dedicated graphics, maybe when the Zen based APUs are out.
Thank you for THOROUGHLY ruining any ideas people had of buying this awful processor. You're the real MVP
AMD Raven Ridge APU will have 12 NGCUs, which means 768 stream processors. The APU will feature 4 cores and 8 threads and SMT will be enabled. The chip will also have a dual-channel DDR4 integrated memory controller. The leak reveals 2 versions of the APU, one will have 12 NGCUs while the other will have 8.
The AMD Raven Ridge APU will most likely be featured in laptops and 2-in-1 hybrid devices. We should be able to see these APUs later this year according to the AMD roadmap.
Oh Steve! you saved me money making this video. Didn't want to build a fresh potato! Love your videos!
Again, im not sure if this is all pre recorded before your last upload but will you add ARK survival evolved to your game benchmarks?
The IPC is too weak
Sualeh Irfan of course it is. It's bulldozer.
Based on what we know about Intel's desktop chips, and how they scale down into mobile chips.... we can actually infer how the Raven Ridge chips will behave since we can make some educated guesstimates based on Ryzen.
We do have current offerings from Intel in the shape of:
35W TDP, 3.4GHz 4c/8t, chips. Which draws around 8W power at Idle, around 24W mixed-load, and tops out at 34W when full-load. The performance is roughly CineBench R15 single-core score of 160cb and multicore of 705cb. And the Intel Iris HD iGPU can produce a FireStrike graphics score of 1,200. Temperatures between the two should be similar, but ultimately depend immensely on the specific laptop's design.
AMD would do something similar in the shape of:
35W TDP, 2.9GHz 4c/8t chips. Which draws around 10W power at Idle, around 20W mixed-load, and tops out at 30W when full-load. The performance could be around CineBench R15 single-core score of 130cb and multicore of 650cb. And the polished mobileVega GPU could perhaps produce a FireStrike graphics score of around 3,100. Temperatures between the two should be similar, but ultimately depend immensely on the specific laptop's design.
We can't be too sure about how AMD's Vega will behave in a mobile setup.
Will it be better than their desktop counterparts?
Will it be more efficient than Intel's great Iris GPUs?
Will it be more efficient than Nvidia's new Pascal GPUs?
I have a hunch it will be between Intel and Nvidia in-terms of efficiency, and a lot lot better than how their desktop Vega cards have been behaving. Which is why I rated it the way I did. I used laptop graphics cards like the GTX 960M, MX 150, and GTX 1050 to get a better gauge.
The FPU is too weak, do you even know what IPC is?
FPU ?
Did you mean the GPU ? or the Floating-Point?
I was talking about Raven Ridge.... you know the mobile/laptop chips from AMD based on Ryzen-Vega. They're similar to Intel, but are slightly different, and are actually called APU's (Accelerated Processing Units) not to be confused with Apu from The Simpsons.
So far AMD's IPC is about equal to Sandy Bridge-Ivy Bridge-Haswell.
And their Vega GPU's are slightly above Polaris, but definitely below Pascal.
Hence, why I put the figure where they are.
Keep in mind that Pascal on a 25W TDP power draw gets around 3,800 points FireStrike graphics score (GT 1030). So it would be ridiculous to ask for more performance for Vega and a lower power drain. We know Pascal is more efficient.
Kangal i wouldn't necessarily conclude that. Vega seems to be ridiculously overvolted in factory. We don't have any idea of it's efficiency curve at low power. For all we know it could be great, or terrible.
Also keep in mind pascal doesn't support many of the more exotic compute features that vega does, whether relevant or not. Pascal doesn't have to carry that baggage in laptops.
I have to disagree. I needed a computer in my garage. Got a B350 ATX motherboard with a8 9600. My gaming compter is 3 years old and in 2 years from now it will move into the garage. Then I will take this motherboard with with the 2x8gig ram, upgrade that to 16 and slam in the best cpu in 2020 as AMD said they will support it till then. I can then take this A8 cpu and throw it in the garbage. To buy two years with a supported platform with a igpu for $70 is not bad in my mind. All I need it to do is online searching and play youtube videos in the garage. I would have spent more for a ryzen 1200 and a discrete card that would have served no purpose.
You would have been worlds better off being a G4560 with a GT 1030 or even GTX 1050. Sell that when you are ready to update and get something else, for the next 2 years this will serve you so much better. That said if you don't need to game then the iGPU in the G4560 will be fine and you've actaully saved a lot of money on a CPU that is significantly more powerful for web browsing tasks. Alternatively you could have waited and got a Ryzen based desktop APU next month.
nope, you completely missed the point, I have a fully functioning computer right now that serves perfectly fine for every aspect I need which includes surfing the web and watching youtube when I built it................and not February. Now what you suggested ill be trying to sell a dated computer in 2 years from now that will go for half of the value. A gtx 1030 will be worthless in 2 years from now. An operating system is $120 to start for window 10 home........I run pro. I can take that A8 8600 APU, sell it for $25 or throw it in the garbage and I will still be ahead because I did not have to buy anther operating system with motherboard upgrade or have to deal with the BS behind it.
You have to understand. Not everyone is interested in swapping out motherboards every year or 2 and trying to sell the components off and want to deal with operating systems. I look forward to the fact I can drop in a ryzen cpu/apu/UFO in a 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen release in 2020 no matter what and be done with it in 10 minutes. My time is more valuable then building multiple computers and trying to sell the stuff off later.and your painting the picture of this APU with your ideals, open your world and your mind up a little.
A G4560 would have NOT been worlds different for searching info on google. Your synthetic benchmarks meaning nothing for day to day tasks of youtube and googling.
Put a G4560 along side the A8 9600 and google this video, good luck trying to find a meaningful difference.
This is where you missed the point and the value of this chip.
I thought I missed the release of the zen based apu's and was wondering how no other tech outlet was talking about it. Lol
As great as ryzen is AMDs bread and butter in terms of profit will be the Apu's once they get around to releasing them.
nice video, one of the better ones ive seen for the new apus
(0:28) I'm on your video thanks Hardware Unbox ;)
0:25 , Me too 😄 *Proud Moment*
Muthu Kumaran :) ;) yup
Me as well 0:37
Gee what a quick turn around time from getting it in. Thanks for the shout out haha. hahahaha funny as. Talk about cramming a turd in your AM4 socket. .... Well i had a good laugh.
Built on the Excavator core so it can bury itself. Heh.
Oh shit. If only I would have known this a few (2 & a half) years ago. Well thanks for the very informative video.
I think it's not a bad choice to pick an Athlon 950 as a placeholder for a 2nd gen ryzen 1600 next year.
It clearly is, you're paying 20% more for the Ryzen 3 1200 and that's only including the motherboard, memory and GT 1030 into the cost. For an entire system it will be like 5%.
I'm with Steve here. Using Athlon as a placeholder instead of an R3 1200 doesn't make sense. There isn't much of a price difference between the two. You'll also have a better experience with the R3 as it is based on Zen while the Athlon is still on Excavator arch.
Maybe it depends on the gpu. If you have a 1050 ti or equivalent, the athlon doesn't bottleneck, while not having to pay double the money for a R3 1200
Placeholder are bad idea in current time, better wait a little longer to get more money, or wait for final product. Difference are so low, so u can do few hour part job and you get different.
And if you use up to GeForce 1060, R3 are better then Pentium, because GPU are bottleneck, and R3 give more raw power. Or if u want cheaper go for Pentium, no different in result in games, but from my experience better have 4core and can play with few programs in background.
If you're buying as a placeholder, I'd say just stick with what you've currently got instead and buy what you want when you can afford it.
I like how you nonchalantly have my Titan X graphics card just kind of hanging out on the shelf to the right.
+Stormrage Gaming he's just relaxing.
They need to take this old tech and throw it in the trash. They are tainting their AM4 socket with this garbage.
Why isn't there an APU with a Ryzen 3 and a RX 560 yet? At minimum at that.
Excavator...the architecture that dug its own grave while bulldozer pushed the dirt back over it.....ugh
lol
KMAC excavator was technically impressive given what bulldozer was. It was a huge step up over steamroller in performance and efficiency ( up to 15% ipc when not bottlenecked by l2, at considerably lower power and size). It still wasn't enough to fight intel though
Jokes: do you get them?
Compared to AMDs previous architectures (early 2000s) that competed with Intel and Ryzen now, Bulldozer/Excavator were absolute huge failures as Intel blew them away relatively speaking. Yeah compared to bulldozer it was a big improvement, but thats like saying doing a car is improved upon because it runs whereas the one before it was exploding.
So when you compare it to the other choices on the market at the time. ie Intel's Sandy/Ivy Bridge (which were enormous successes) it was a big failure and did dig its own grave and is kinda why AMD has taken so long to get back in the game. With a vengeance now though: I did a Ryzen 1700 build but used Intel for the past decade or so beforehand because AMD Excavator and Bulldozer simply were NOT competitive.
KMAC I'm more inclined to think of it in terms of the engineering required. Not the actual results. Many crucial aspects of the ryzen architecture originated in excavator.
AMD learned a lot from bulldozer, and it helped them make ryzen what it is today. Just like intel learned a lot of things with netburst.
What's pretty cool, is that excavator could get pretty damn close to nehalem in some workloads, while bulldozer had trouble matching kentsfield. I recon that if excavator had been what amd released in 2011, things might have been a lot different.
And yes, i do get the joke.
Hydrochloric Acid I studied ECE so I can appreciate it from that aspect but from the viewpoint of a consumer who builds PCs for a long time and would have liked more competition so that Intel didn't just sit on it's ass it was certified dead by the coroner and put six feet under.
Shame too because if AMD stayed competitive and put more into it then think of how Ryzen would be now.
Also a shame that these APUs aren't good.....I wonder what happened here.
Bristol Ridge made more sense on mobile than desktop.
Looking forward to see the Ryzen lineup though.
I disagree 9800 is a processor for nobody. It is amazing for poor ppl who want to play a game from time to time and cant afford gpu.
Ontej Marejko it's not amazing for anyone actually, it costs a lot more than the g4560 which is a much better cpu and the g4560 has integrated graphics too. overall it's a pointless cpu.
Adrian Ho if that is the case, it still puts the entire Bristol ridge lineup except the A8 9600 in a bad spot. The A10 & A12 are comparatively bad value
Adrian Ho it still doesn't make sense, you could just buy an old i5 2500 and like a 750ti for just a bit more than the a12. the raven ridge apu's will be better.
But the older, used system will not have an upgrade path for the future. Getting one of these with an AM4 motherboard will set you up for future upgrades well into 2020, according to AMD. Just replace the Bristol Ridge chip with a better APU later down the line and you are done. If you go for an old Intel chip you'll also have to get a new motherboard and RAM if you ever want to upgrade, so it's much more expensive.
+Vally123 So do you also think Kaby Lake X is a good idea? I mean it has an upgrade path right? Futureproofing at the expense of present performance is a stupid idea, especially at this low of a budget where you don't lose much by abandoning the platform.
This version of Excavator was supposed to feature some mild improvements, but all we've seen is the same old performance exhibited by the 845 with a small clock boost. Even if the CPU was being throttled and there was a way past that, it wouldn't really change things.
They're overclocked mobile products which made more sense in their original guise when compared to old Atom or i3 setups but very few Carrizo machines even had dual channel memory, let alone anything actually premium.
Raven Ridge simply cannot come quickly enough.
I 100 Percent Agree with you Steve! I love me a good product, whether its from Intel or AMD, and funny enough, have personally paid for more AMD chips in my lifetime then Intel. I used to Run my Studio off a 6 Core Phenom Chip and then Upgraded to an 8 Core 8350 which even though sucked at single core operations, treated me well In Protools and recording once matched with an SSD. With that being said, I had a client who went out a bought an OEM PC with these garbage chips in them without consulting me first, and then he called me when his system wasn't even doing the basic task of surfing the web and checking email without waiting for what seemed like days for each task. I got down to diagnosing, and quickly realized that his new A12-9800 Based chip was absolute garbage, and not worth time of day. I ran a few benchmarks on it as well and was sad that it couldn't even match the single threaded performance of my old Phenom that was produced 10 years or so ago. I finally convinced him to let me package it up and take it back, and ended up getting him a cheap Pentium G4560 Based system from the same OEM Manufacturer and actually paid LESS for it. I paired it with an SSD and a Fresh Copy of Win 10 to get rid of all the junkware, and he can't believe how much faster it is. If people only took the time to do a little research they wouldn't let themselves get fooled.
Any ways, great video, and good audio too my friend ;-) Keep up the good work!
I've roof mounted the mic now! Thanks for all the help.
Seriously??? If you aren't just joking I HAVE to see that! I have worked in Studios Almost My Entire Adult Career and thats one thing I don't think I have ever seen, but a clever solution to the shock mount issues you were having, I would love to see it.
If you were just joking then, lol! What ever you have done is certainly working my friend!
Just got a mono pod and connected it to the ceiling ;)
Well I might just be the only person who was ever complaining, so I apologize for giving you a hard time, but you are awesome for fixing the issue with a clever solution! Thanks for being awesome and bringing us awesome content! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Forgive the questioning but the memory bandwidth seems extremely sketchy... Are you sure the DIMMS were installed in dual channel? Also I know you didn't bothered with overclocking but there is very little evidence in the videography to sustain the claim these APUs can reach over 4.5 GHz and attain decent performance, so if you can show proof of the capabilities to unlock the frequency it would be awesome! Thanks for your hard work!
BlazeElPadrino That's CPU memory bandwidth
7:54 Quality Quality. love it
I was about to buy faster ram so you saved me some money, Thank you!
I got shown in the intro! I feel like I'm famous, lol.
Are you kidding? These CPU's are awesome value. Maybe not the A12 so much. But I switched from an i5 6400 to an A8 9600 and to be honest I dont notice much difference with my GTX 1060.
People are even playing games like Battlefront 2 with the iGPU of the A8. So it is a very good option, if your old System broke and you want to switch to AM4, but dont have the cash and need right now for Ryzen.
I am waiting for Star Citizen to get more content before I upgrade to 8 core Zen+ or maybe Zen II, but until that time those APU's, especially the 50,- Dollar A8 9600 are a viable option, if you only have a 1050Ti or 1060. Or no GPU at all. You could still play most games with lowered settings and the iGPU.
Only 1070 and up or for some very CPU hungry games Ryzen 3 might be a better option as a filler there.
You dont notice much difference from a 1060 to an apu ahahahhaa you must be blind then
Refined Bulldozer, so that means it's a shining turd?
No refinements to be seen. Its the same old turd in different package.
Fuddy Duddy from a technical standpoint, excavator is pretty damn amazing given that it came from bulldozer. Still couldn't hold its own against intel though.
mostly refined for laptops..., they somehow got the power consumption under control with their mobile chips. Their flagship bristol ridge mobile chip has a tdp of 35w with a 3.7ghz boost. as soon as you go past that, power consumption go to orbit.
If they can get that pile of shit to 35w, zen could be something amazing in mobile. they said "50% more ipc at equal power per clock.
That power consumption is real with throttle.
What's worse windows 10 is not allways identifieying the A cpus as 1 module and 2 cores (1 core 2 logical units) unless Windows updates its task scheduler to identify the cpu correctly (fx cpus are right)
Nice video Steve. Now we need a full review of the x4 950. You have to test its full potential both at 45w mode, 65w mode, 4.1Ghz and 4.8Ghz. I've seen reach like 60fps avg on BF1 while overclocked. It will be nice make a price to performance comparison against the G4560.
An honest opinion all I need to know about the chip
3:10 Riddle me this: why does my FX-9800 in my laptop, basically a downclocked version of the same chip, have more (at least GFX) memory bandwidth available to it than your desktop? I suspect something's misconfigured and dual channel is disabled, as it was at first for my laptop until a BIOS update.
Except all other reviews are showing the exact same results :S
I down voted you and I want you to know why. This is a 65W TDP CPU. Compare it against other 65W TDP CPU's, specifically, Kaveri or Richland. Also, the 35W TDP version of this is basically the AM1 Athlon replacements. How about some comparisons against some of those CPU's? You are right, buying one of these for a "place holder" is stupid. Buying one of these for a MCPC/HTPC, or home server is not. I would like to know if this would be a good replacement for my A8-7600, or my A10-7870K, but I have no way of knowing based off this review.
Thanks for letting me know why, sadly though your reason is very misguided. This isn’t a replacement for existing APUs or even a possible upgrade option. It’s the exact same APUs we always had, re-barged and repackaged for the AM4 platform. They have no advantages over the FM2+ models.
If they existed on the same platform then sure, I would have compared them.
In the end I tested the A12-9800 first and then evaluated from there. It turned out to be a shocking purchase and it’s NOT a smart or suitable choice for anyone. So I did the best thing I could to protect my viewers and suggest they avoid these APUs at all cost.
*I would like to know if this would be a good replacement for my A8-7600, or my A10-7870K, but I have no way of knowing based off this review.*
NO, based on the information in the video it should be clear it’s not since I told you these are the same APU’s we already have but re-purposed for the AM4 platform, did you skip that part? Why would anyone throw away their FM2+ motherboard and DDR3 memory to buy a new AM4 board plus DDR4 memory to buy the same CPU architecture?
So you disliked a video that gave you the best consumer advise you are likely to find online, good choice!
The A10-7870 and A12-9800 are basically identical in terms of performance, you would basically be wasting money side grading to a new platform.
The A12-9800 doesn't have a place in the market. Other CPUs meet or exceed its performance in both CPU and GPU tasks for a similar price point, and it's overqualified to be a HTPC CPU. It doesn't make a good home server either due to the weak IPC.
smooth hands in this one :P
I come here 20% for the tech 80% for the hands!
Shitscavator in 2017?.............nope!
Wow. I like this video. The charts were clear to understand as well as the comparison. I am a newb so it works for me.
Poor gamer: G4560
Cheap gamer: R3 1200
Budget gamer: R5 1600
Rich gamer: i7 7700k
Smart gamer: 2500k & 2600k
Haters gonna hate!
Varpem not gonna hate R5 1600 awesome 2500k and 2600k to me they are the most decent cpu to get from intel, I mean going to 3rd 4th 6th and 7th are pointless for their marginal ipc gain.
RushDark 4th gen is literally a rebadge of 3rd gen, performance difference at the same clocks are merely identical. get a 3820 for $60-$80 and overclock it to 4.6ghz ezpz
Except even my R5 1500x hands the 2600k its ass.
If you're going to buy used intel, by god why are you buying the k series chips? Why would anyone in their right mind buy a SiX YEAR OLD USED Z SERIES MOTHERBOARD? Why? For what purpose? Is that supposed to be smart? You know overclocking shortens both the CPU's and the motherboard's lifespan right?
If you're going to buy used Intel, buy a non-k series chip, preferably from Ivy Bridge or Haswell because motherboards aren't supposed to last too long under heavy use.
Or, you know, if you're on that tight of a budget and you NEED 4 cores AND overclocking, literally just buy Ryzen. For the same "buy it now" prices I saw the 2600k going for on Ebay without any kind of cooler included you could literally just buy my 1500x and you will be getting a better and more power efficient processor with the same amount of threads, the same base clocks, more L3 cache and a cooler that will allow a modest overclock right in the box. So unless you can find the 2600k for well under 100$, along with a Z series motherboard IN GOOD CONDITION for under 80, it's not worth it in the slightest and you're not smart, and even then those suckers are power hungry as shit after you overclock so good luck with the electric bill.
And if you're buying a used i5 in 2017, and the 2500k still goes for G4560 money on ebay without including a cooler, you're even more of an idiot because Ryzen 3 1200 goes for 109 dollars brand new with a cooler included and that's four cores four threads, unlocked, better IPC than Sandy Bridge AND 14nm, with the option to upgrade all the way to 8 cores 16 threads with the same motherboard.
Not to mention that when you go used you throw future upgradeability out the damn window and 4 threads is no longer enough in 2017. Where AM4 will let you keep upgrading till 2021, with the 7nm Zen 2 chips set to have way higher clockspeed, and the overclocking B350 chipset is cheap as hell right now at 80$ for an MSI PC mate full size ATX board, even less if you go mATX.
So yeah, maybe buying a 2600k makes sense if you already have the Z series 1155 motherboard, a decent aftermarket cooler and DDR3 RAM handy. But in that case you probably already had at least a 2500k already. And none of that applies to new builders.
Besides
i7 860>2600k any day of the week.
And Core 2 Quad>>>any i5.
RushDark
Nah the last good CPU intel made was the i7 860.
Varpem I personally think the athlon is better but okay
Edit: and 1700 instead of 7700k
Thanks for the shout out at the start, but bugger you didn't test ecc. However after seeing the power consumption metrics I don't think I would use it as a ZFS NAS anyway.
COMPLETELY DISAGREE
this guy clearly doesnt get how it is to be on a budget
let say i have a super strict budget and i have no pc whatsoever but i really need something asap (this is most ppl in school)
this is the cheapest way to go on new hardware while staying on a new platform and being able to play games, prolly lowest settings yeah but atleast you can!
(i'd go cheapest A8-9600 APU for this example tho, i know this isn't the APU being reviewed but this guy is basically butchering the whole APU/Athlon lineup)
other choices would be:
- going intel platform (expensive Mobos and G4560 super overpriced atm)
- going used (not everyone is ok with this and you'll most likely end up on an old platform)
- discrete GPU (too expensive already)
so NO and NO, this is the only way to go, imo its a life saver while having a student super strict budget and still getting the option to get onto the newest platform for future upgrades once your parents feel like you deserve it.
I think he missed point too. But I think is better to loan some money, and by R3+ eg GTX 1030, then go for this APU.
I don't now cost of motherboard, but Ryzen R3 have fan with it, so is not so much more expensive then Pentium, and for this little money i will think about second hand, they are cheap, sometimes mind blowing cheap.
but then you'll have to buy a new processor when you upgrade anyway...get a ryzen 1200 and stick in a second hand gt 210..it will cost a little bit more,but when you upgrade,it will save a lot of money
Yuzakk Kronos On a budget? Go smart and so second hand. That's the only way to get best price to performance. Not with this joke.
+Yuzakk Kronos As he said, buying these CPUs/APUs as a placeholder just for the sake of futureproofing/upgrade path makes about as much sense as Kaby Lake X. If it's just a temporary solution and you aren't spending much money on it than who cares if you get an older platform; just buy a cheap or used OEM PC and switch platforms when you graduate or have the money to do it right.
I didn't miss the point at all, I just applied common sense and weighed up the options.
I bought one of these for my mITX build, fully knowing that it doesn't have any Zen cores in it. The advantage was that I was able to build a system with integrated graphics *now* instead of waiting a year for Raven Ridge, but I'll definitely replace the A12-9800 with a better Raven Ridge chip as soon as they become available. The Bristol Ridge chip will then be migrated into a HTPC for my mother, since the Raspberry Pi 2 she currently has is definitely running into some limitations in terms of RAM, processing and graphics power, not to mention the comparatively low amount of software available for ARM systems.
So yeah, put these chips into a super small case without a discrete graphics card and use them as HTPC and console replacement for retro emulation and indie titles and you'll probably have a pretty good time with them. But don't expect amazing AAA gaming performance out of them. Know what you are in for, and these chips can be amazing in the right use case.
Why someone by apu and use external graphic? I think your test on Titan Pascal are pointless, and shouldn't be added.
I like your channel, but I must give you dislike, because if someone want use even GeForce 1030 he will buy R3 1200 or Pentium G4560, so next pointless tests.
they are for when someone who owns this apu or integrated gpu from intel get money to buy a graphic card..
For example,I am putting off buying a ryzen 1200 because I HAVE to get a graphic card with it,or the monitor wont work.
GraveUypo Because in gaming R7 are same or worst then R5, so there is not point to adding it, they are great for content creator if u not go for Threadripper.
Kakashi Hatake but if u add few $ more u get R3 1200 and GTX 1030 and have a lot better experience in game. Some times is not worth adding few $ more, because increase in performance is linear or worst, but in this case you get for few $ some times multiple fps then on this APU, and I think is not so hard to hold month longer to get R3 + 1030, is really better, this are only good for kids who not play games, if you not play games, and only use facebook, youtube, excel (normal use), emails etc this APU start make sens, but this channel is not aiming for people how not play games.
+ Sędziwój They are also to satisfy the people requesting an Athlon X4 950 review, since the A12 and Athlon CPU performance is identical. Using a Titan allows you to be absolutely sure that there was no GPU bottleneck; that's how you test the CPU framerate. The number of times I see this "unrealistic pairing" complaint...it's the right way to test CPU performance, and you can extrapolate the results to other GPUs. If you use a super slow GPU and cause a GPU bottleneck then an Athlon/A12 can get identical frames to a 7700k; it's a useless result.
If you dont play games Intels 50 dollar pentium is faster then this. In care you didnt know this cpu costs 110 USD.
i'm curious about the G4600 as it has twice the execution units than the 4560 and is actually cheaper
I was able to purchase an Athlon X4 950, ASUS motherboard, and 8GB DDR4 memory for under $200. Granted, that's mostly because the motherboard was on sale at newegg (still is until this upcoming Wednesday). I compared that to upgrading to the Pentium that you mentioned in this video, and determined that it would cost me more than what I paid for the AMD setup. Mind you, I'm upgrading from an LGA775 socket Q9550. So this Athlon should be a fair bit better than what I have now.
7:55 bottom of the rocket league title, "Quality Quality" is that a graphics option in the game or just an error steve?
+Titan SixtyNine it's the Quality quality preset ;)
Thanks for giving it to us straight :D I agree that AMD will just get negative reputation with these chips and tarnish all the good work they've done so far.
rginhd said the new a8 is really good for the money, but this guy would even recommend a toaster for gaming.
Thank you for this honest review! :o)
So Steve, are you going to revise your "Top 5 Worst CPUs" Video to Include these Bristol Ridge APUs?
I will say you're right. This "Last Huzzah" for Excavator really was just Excavator running off the runway, never getting into the air, and crashing into the sea below in a Nuclear Explosion to wipe out an Entire Island.
Great work on this Steve, and Let's hope AMD gets their head out of the rocks regarding their APUs, because frankly, they're god awful.
I do use an A10 7860k on my livingroom running 24/7 (it works as my backup server aswell), it can run 4k (cheap4ktv) videos flaweless and do some light 4players game when need.
The thing is i have an RX5808G based Desktop in my room, and i use the stream steam service to play racing/battle games with my family and friends.
It has a purpose, and i'm planing to upgrade that PC for a cheap AM4 kit.
Maybe i'll give a shot with the A12, to wait until Ryzen APU showup next year?
2:45 are you shure the RAM is running in Dual Dhannel Mode?
+Felix R yes, very.
Hardware Unboxed and I thought a Q6600 has low memory bandwidth ...
I have one of these in my refurb pc and it can't even run chrome without rebooting every 30 minutes
Hmmmmm. This is quite not cleared. What Specs did you use with A12 - 9800 and with the rest? Since there's no Specs in the details section.
Good, honest advice. Thumbs up!
9:33 That is the exact MOBO I just built a R7 1700 32GB system with. It's been wonderful so far, and I haven't even bothered updating the bios yet. Then again I'm still configuring software and downloading miscellaneous; work scheduling and all. But on my up coming days off...look out!!! Yep, I'm a dork ladies!
I'm just wondering about the i5 7500 score. I've seen one other reviewer show 550ish as the multicore score, but myself and many other scores show it to be around 605. Your show is awesome, I'm just wondering (as if anyone cares besides me about the lowly 7500) why the discrepancy of 8 to 10% exist.
Seems like Athlon 900 series are AMD's version of G4560 since it's irrelevant to get APU's until zen APU?
Hate to disappoint you for the effort in trying not to disappoint me, but I've been paying attention to AMD press releases... I already knew the A12-9800 wasn't Ryzen/Vega based and so I'm not disappointed... ;-) It's a bit too bad that there will be some remnants of Excavator infecting the AM4 eco system. But I guess the Ryzen based APU's are still being worked on... I just hope the next gen integrated GPU isn't going to be a "Vega" headache... ;-)
7:50 I am not familiar with the quality quality setting in Rocket league. How does it look?
Really? Have you ever played the game? I get that you are trying to be a smart ass but there is actually a "Quality" quality preset lol
Sorry if this came off as trying to be a smart ass but I was actually curious as to what this looked like. Is like ultra?
7:45 Quality Quality?
how would this compare to the older 7870k?
They'd both be shit, but one shit would be a little shittier.
Wow, that was devastating. Thanks for making it clear :D
So this is an athlon x4 with an r7 gpu?
No, the Athlon X4 is an A12-9800 without the R7 GPU.
(Yes, you are correct. Sorry about that)
These is one Bristol Ridge APU which makes sense- it is A8 9600 for €60. It can run basically every game at 720p lowest settings, and e-sports- at decent settings. You can not build a cheaper system able to (barely) run games. X4 950 + used dGPU costs at least €30 more, and g4560 or X4 950 OC with used dGPU- €60 more. A12 9800 is also priced at near this level, and is not as good. Only cheaper x4 Bristol Ridge make sense, and only in case you can not afford G4560 + dGPU, which, admittedly, can be much more expensive.
If you want a REALLY budget system, then maybe the A8-9600 plus the cheapest A320 or B350 motherboard + 2x4GB sticks of DDR4 2666 RAM. But for any higher in price than that, or if you are either way going to include a discrete GPU, then forget about Bristol Ridge and 28nm technology and embrace Ryzen R3 1200 or higher or the Pentium G4560 (only the Pentium, don't go higher on the Intel side)
And what if I want a cheapest setup with new parts that will give me a 4K 60fps streaming capabilities and hardware RAID1? Does A12-9800 + 8GB DDR4 2400 + A320 makes sense?
Makes me very happy i had gotten my Ryzen 7 1800x when i had the money to spend on a higher tier cpu. Had thought about getting an apu, but after looking at the results, very glad i didnt.
I paused it at 7:40. This apu seems to serve one purpose. Say you want to build a R5 1600/gtx 1060-70 and are on a tight budget. You then buy everything but the cpu/gpu and use the apu as a filler until you save enough to buy the cpu/gpu.. allowing you to use the pc until finished.
Using it this way will allow you to also test parts instead saving the entire $1300 at once for the build.
Can you do a video comparing gaming performance between the r3 1200 and the r5 1600 (both overclocked)?
No one has covered this topic, and from what I can see both perform the same at gaming @4ghz.
Just bought a 50,- EUR A8-9600, for a media center PC, so far I am having a very pleasant and smooth experience with it. I dont think paying extra for an i3 or even the G4560, which is over 80,- EUR would be worth it, so I was able to spend more on a decent SSD. Also the stock cooler is more quiet, than the intel one.
Also, when Star Citizen Squadron 42 is finally out, I can throw in a GTX 3080 Ti and a Ryzen 7 2700, plus a memory upgrade and I am good to go.
Steve, can you do a quick comparison of R3/R5/R7 with a good GPU in BF4? (Trying to setttle a discussion over whether BF4 was in fact more 'core friendly' than 'BF1', which I contend exhibits fairly linear/ good scaling from R3 toR5/1400, and R5-1600)
Just get the R5.
Okay, I bought a G4560 with a LGA1151
How do I insert a R5 1600 into LGA1151 now?
If you're suggesting the Bristol Ridge stuff is anyway valid because of the upgrade path it's a pointless argument, IT'S NOT! If you just bought a G4560 in the last few months you wouldn't be looking to upgrade to something like the R5 1600 for gaming, for at least another year.
So I should buy a new motherboard next year and then toss away the perfectly functioning one that I had then? Okay, noted in my to-do list
It’s a pretty weak argument.
Your options right now are to buy the G4560 + H110 + GPU of your choice for the same price as the Athlon X4 950 + B350 + GPU.
The G4560 is significantly faster in all games, significantly more fuel efficient and delivers a much better experience overall. If you want in a years’ time you can get a Core i5 or Core i7 but typically that never happens for people that buy budget CPUs. They just hold on to the system for a few years and then just build an entirely new budget system in the future.
If you buy the Athlon X4 950 for $60 US now you won’t be able to achieve acceptable playable performance in most titles, games such as Battlefield 1 and PUBG.
Then what? In 1 year you go from buying a $60 CPU to $200 CPU with the R5 1600? (smart, super smart) Right gotcha, seems legit. That’s something budget shoppers often do.
At best such a consumer might get a Ryzen 3 1200 but that’s a $50 extra, why not just start there? Buying the X4 950 instead is frankly stupid.
I'd say a more interesting part is the A8-9600 or cheaper since it'd be enough to get a system up and running or simply build an office PC on the AM4 platform. For gamers, a part like the 9800 might only be interesting if you're playing games at 720p, otherwise you''re better off with an R3 1200 for sure.
is there any improvement over the A10 APU?
isn't that platform pcie 2.0?
Watching this during a hurricane
You don't use APUs from last generation to play 2017 games at 1080p and on Ultra settings...
It's also weird that the A12 can't play CS:GO above 60fps which is a source engine, and is well known to be quite capable of getting good performance almost out of most GPU/APU setups...The A12 APU is sorta like laptop graphics so you pretty much utilize smaller resolutions like 720p setups up to 900p...
I also think that the Bristol Ridge APUs aren't even properly optimized since AMD had given up on it so badly.
Great job as always steve but I was kinda curious about the integrated gpu performance of g4600 with the hd630
just tell me how 12 9800 behaves in office tasks?
What does one do if their motherboard isn’t compatible with any other CPU or APU.
What's truly baffling is how expensive these APU's are on the used market.
You can buy new 2200g's for less than used A12-9800's in the US market.
You'll get a higher fps if you overclock the A12 9800 and yes all of the APUs from the Athlon X4 940 to the A12 9800 are overclockable for more info just check out www.amd.com/en
I feel like a idiot, i did think these APU's were based on Raven Ridge (Zen), not Bristol Ridge (Bulldozer).
AMD should make TR4 compatible APUs with RX 500 series graphics, 2GB of HBC to lower fetch and draw times and 12 CPU cores for accelerated professional tasks...that would be a monster of an APU!
A-12 9800 is not for the APU itself, it is for the use of normal typing, and is better on the ustage of energy safing,
it we want, we can use crossfire with Rx series Graphic card.
Zen based apu's are supposed to come out before the end of 2017. Look at the roadmaps. Mobile apu's are meant to come out in 2018
I love your videos Steve but I feel the G4600 with the HD630 would have made a slightly more interesting video. Would love to know if the HD 630 would be able to keep up with the APU.
I was eyeballing these for a Beowulf cluster thinking I am going to pass now, maybe....
I feel like putting a Titan on one of these was just completely redundant. The point of people buying APUs is to run both a CPU and a GPU on a single chip, so using the new AM4 Athlon X4 CPUs should've been the subject here and not the APUs. That's exactly why it's a budget solution. Doesn't mean it's better that way, it just makes more sense for the product itself. Thankfully, seeing how Ryzen and Vega are at least capable in their standalone forms gives me hope for the Raven Ridge APUs being a huge deal for single-chip, budget gaming builds.