This scene is important, Ben basically shuts Tate down and tells him what he really is. He's not "broken", he's not a damaged soul or a misunderstood kid, Tate's a psychopath. Plain and simple.
He is not a psychopath. First of all, he feels remorse, he even asked the boy to turn around so he didn’t have to look at him when he killed him and here he admits to everything he did and apologizes. Second, it was the house and the devil that led him to do all those things. He’s not a bad guy, he just did bad things. In season 8 it’s reviled that the devil made him rape Vivian to conceive Michael as the Antichrist. After that happened, he is normal again and violet forgives him. And even at the beginning of this season you can tell that it’s not under his free will because he doesn’t know what he had done.
That's the thing I love so much about this season. The characters. There were no exact standouts. Any character could be said as their favorites in this season
I love this scene because Ben didn't need to beat him up. He destroyed Tate with words and regardless of being possessed Tate had to pay for what he did.
For those that need it: go to therapy. It may not help you at first, but eventually if you try to let them help, it’ll start working. It’s a process. Please don’t give up.
For real it needs to be said. This is a fictional situation with a fictional patient. You probably are not in the same situation as these two, and they are not a great example of how therapy works. The worst I've ever seen in fiction, actually. Therapy works in real life, even if it doesn't cure ASPD it is still a very good tool.
@@blueturtle3623 I literally had a therapist tell me that I lost the genetic lottery once and it was pretty clear that she didn't take me seriously because she felt - and she told me as much - that I wasn't taking responsibility for my situation and I deserved some of the way I felt. She even had the gall to say that she was sorry that I felt that she had failed me, right before she had me committed for having a breakdown over an email. So yes, there are toxic people in the mental health profession just like this guy.
@@blueturtle3623 Regular therapy just doesn't work on extreme cases like Tate or very bad cases of schizophrenia for instance. A sociopath or a psychopath need much heavier things but in other cases in can help.
Dylan McDermott should've been part of the main cast of AHS, he's really underrated. Btw, I don't think Tate is a monster. While he was blessed physically (so he has a very appealing appearance on the outside), he inherited the worst stuff mentally, unfortunately. This is different from Constance's other children who were all "normal" human beings on the inside, just physically disfigured or with some other affliction. Even if Tate was raised in a perfect environment with loving parents, I believe he would've had a hard time--but combined with Constance's negligence, father absence, and the dark influence of the Murder House, it was just too much for one kid to handle. I really do feel sorry for him in spite of everything.
A psychopath isn't completely incapable of feeling emotions. Psychopaths have difficulties to feel, especially empathy (sharing other's emotions), but they remain humans, so they can feel, but they have the ability to control it, and most of them choose to feel less, due to multiple factors, but most of time, because they're bored and/or don't see any interests in it.
Therapy does work but only if the people are willing to actually help and deal with their issues in a mature healthy way. Manipulating it in your favor doesn't mean it doesn't work, it just means they want an excuse like a pill to make it all go away.
He isn’t a psychopath some of y’all have forgot his trauma he had to face growing up he dealt with bullying he had to face the fact he had to live with his mothers bf that killed😂 someone he loved very much his brother beau his mother abused and neglect him if he wasn’t bullied so much he wouldn’t of shot up the school then later on in the show we find out that he was possessed while living in the house the spirits in the house bad spirits used Tate as a vessel to create a child we see in season 1 that it also used Ben Harmon to try and burn his hand a long with the other guy Tate just handles things different he reacts to things in a different way when he needed help no one was there for him only Ben his mother didn’t wanna help she didn’t even know her son was doing coke
@@MrMagistralMalik no they don't there usually aren't any mustache twirling supervillains in the real world so the call it anti social personality disorder or ASPD sociopaths and psychopaths are basically just nicknames for people who do terrible stuff
Ben Harmon: worst. therapist.ever! (He even calls himself a fraud yet still diagnoses Tate) XD For what it's worth, it's not like Ben could fix Tate even if he wasn't a (self proclaimed) fraud. But I mean, his therapy methods were still crap...LOL!
@@selenaherrera2028 He says it himself: therapy doesn't work. Most people who go to therapy are just looking to feel "special" when there's absolutely nothing special about them: they're just a bunch of irresponsible fucks who do not want to face any consequences for all the bad choices they have consciously made.
@@Sarah-yy6hv i get that, im just worried for the people who need therapy and take this wrong out of the context of the show. And the fact that it is portrayed like the therapist is correct (he is, Tate is hopeless at this moment but thats not the point) I fear that a viewer might take that to heart. Especially given how open to suggestion a lot of mentally ill people tend to be. He's right until he starts talking about therapy in general.
@blueturtle3623 yeah. I go to therapy. This hurt a bit. Think he's got it backwards. People who don't go to therapy Don't want any accountability. People who do go. Do.
Ben was really a bad therapist: 1⁰ he only talks about Freud when said about blame parent and shit, like if you dont agree with Freud (like some therapist dont) there is other studies, bro! Dindt you go to College? 2⁰ Being psychopath its not a disorder, they can have metal disorders, but psychopaths are individuals that certains whose personalities traits make them like this (the ones that Ben talk are ones of them) a kid with light of this psychopaths trais can still not be one if their ambient are not abusive or if they had some kind of incentive to continue being in that way. But it cant be helped if the person already got a taste of it and remember not all psychopaths are murders (executives of big corporetions for example), or smarters, charismatic... thats something that movies use to romantize this thing. Sorry my poor english!
Tim O'Sullivan They can if they're remorseful, in my opinion. Hayden has no remorse for her actions, so she can't be redeemed. Constance is remorseful for her bad parenting, so she sees raising her grandchild as her means of redemption (though that likely won't end well, him being the spawn of Satan and all...). Either way, as a writer I'm always curious to see how TV shows handle taking a despicable character and turning them into better people.
Did you seriously not catch that right after Ben diagnosed Tate as a psychopath, he proceeds to say he's a fraud? Also, with psychopaths, you can see it in them from a young age, Tate showed no signs of such when we are shown the flashback of Tate when he was young and Nora saved him from Thaddeus. In fact, he was a very sensitive young boy.
You haven't gone to therapy, so you don't know if it'll work. Though I do agree and I don't plan on ever going. You have to learn how to cope on your own.
Been going to therapy for years now and Ben is right. Its just paying someone to listen to your bullshit. They won't solve it for you. And most people are aware enough to know what the solutions are.
@@CertifiedBootlicker It’s great for some. Talking through issues with a professional can be really beneficial. People with PTSD are going through “bullshit”
narcissist psychopath or sociopath how to spot a differences RUclipsr MedCircle i found this video some time ago those kinds of people are unlike me good with explaining stuff
when your credit card declines at the therapist’s office
This scene is important, Ben basically shuts Tate down and tells him what he really is. He's not "broken", he's not a damaged soul or a misunderstood kid, Tate's a psychopath. Plain and simple.
Exactly!
He is not a psychopath. First of all, he feels remorse, he even asked the boy to turn around so he didn’t have to look at him when he killed him and here he admits to everything he did and apologizes. Second, it was the house and the devil that led him to do all those things. He’s not a bad guy, he just did bad things. In season 8 it’s reviled that the devil made him rape Vivian to conceive Michael as the Antichrist. After that happened, he is normal again and violet forgives him. And even at the beginning of this season you can tell that it’s not under his free will because he doesn’t know what he had done.
@@montanamartin8905 oh, ok.
@@montanamartin8905 you do realize my comment was posted 2 years ago right?
sabrina joon sorry I had just gotten into this show
These two were the best characters in Season 1. I feel like Ben and Tate were the anchors that held everything together.
Oh hell no... Constance, Violet, Moira, Larry
That's the thing I love so much about this season. The characters. There were no exact standouts. Any character could be said as their favorites in this season
Nah.
I love this scene because Ben didn't need to beat him up. He destroyed Tate with words and regardless of being possessed Tate had to pay for what he did.
For those that need it: go to therapy. It may not help you at first, but eventually if you try to let them help, it’ll start working. It’s a process. Please don’t give up.
For real it needs to be said. This is a fictional situation with a fictional patient. You probably are not in the same situation as these two, and they are not a great example of how therapy works. The worst I've ever seen in fiction, actually. Therapy works in real life, even if it doesn't cure ASPD it is still a very good tool.
@@blueturtle3623 I literally had a therapist tell me that I lost the genetic lottery once and it was pretty clear that she didn't take me seriously because she felt - and she told me as much - that I wasn't taking responsibility for my situation and I deserved some of the way I felt. She even had the gall to say that she was sorry that I felt that she had failed me, right before she had me committed for having a breakdown over an email. So yes, there are toxic people in the mental health profession just like this guy.
@@blueturtle3623 Regular therapy just doesn't work on extreme cases like Tate or very bad cases of schizophrenia for instance.
A sociopath or a psychopath need much heavier things but in other cases in can help.
@@alrune8 Agreed. But most mentally ill people are not psychopaths.
@@blueturtle3623 NO mentally ill patient is a psychopath
Dylan McDermott should've been part of the main cast of AHS, he's really underrated. Btw, I don't think Tate is a monster. While he was blessed physically (so he has a very appealing appearance on the outside), he inherited the worst stuff mentally, unfortunately. This is different from Constance's other children who were all "normal" human beings on the inside, just physically disfigured or with some other affliction. Even if Tate was raised in a perfect environment with loving parents, I believe he would've had a hard time--but combined with Constance's negligence, father absence, and the dark influence of the Murder House, it was just too much for one kid to handle. I really do feel sorry for him in spite of everything.
Well it seems that the latest season has disproved this scene. Tate was never a psychopath but just driven mad by this house
Lel Uchiha thank you. Someone gets it.
Sad part is that it’s true
Jaylinn Perezz he’s a sociopath not a psychopath he has some emotions towards violet
A psychopath isn't completely incapable of feeling emotions. Psychopaths have difficulties to feel, especially empathy (sharing other's emotions), but they remain humans, so they can feel, but they have the ability to control it, and most of them choose to feel less, due to multiple factors, but most of time, because they're bored and/or don't see any interests in it.
@@fxrretfn4107
Sociopaths and psychopaths aren’t real and aren’t a true mental case it’s just rhetoric and both of them basically mean the same thing
Therapy does work but only if the people are willing to actually help and deal with their issues in a mature healthy way. Manipulating it in your favor doesn't mean it doesn't work, it just means they want an excuse like a pill to make it all go away.
He isn’t a psychopath some of y’all have forgot his trauma he had to face growing up he dealt with bullying he had to face the fact he had to live with his mothers bf that killed😂 someone he loved very much his brother beau his mother abused and neglect him if he wasn’t bullied so much he wouldn’t of shot up the school then later on in the show we find out that he was possessed while living in the house the spirits in the house bad spirits used Tate as a vessel to create a child we see in season 1 that it also used Ben Harmon to try and burn his hand a long with the other guy Tate just handles things different he reacts to things in a different way when he needed help no one was there for him only Ben his mother didn’t wanna help she didn’t even know her son was doing coke
Tate is far too irrational and emotional to be a psychopath. He probably has BPD with violent ASPD impulses.
the emotional parts are part of the pathologically lying. i guess.
Ouchie I has a borderline personality disorder and I ain’t killed anyone I swear 🤫
He's a sociopath who has fallen in love. And that's not good news for anyone involved, especially not for the object of their affections.
@K Then Yeah they do. But Tate is likely some sociopath.
@@MrMagistralMalik no they don't there usually aren't any mustache twirling supervillains in the real world so the call it anti social personality disorder or ASPD sociopaths and psychopaths are basically just nicknames for people who do terrible stuff
this scene is amazing. It's one of the most important in the season
If you watch the latest season it’s no longer accurate
Ben Harmon: worst. therapist.ever! (He even calls himself a fraud yet still diagnoses Tate) XD For what it's worth, it's not like Ben could fix Tate even if he wasn't a (self proclaimed) fraud. But I mean, his therapy methods were still crap...LOL!
@@selenaherrera2028 He says it himself: therapy doesn't work. Most people who go to therapy are just looking to feel "special" when there's absolutely nothing special about them: they're just a bunch of irresponsible fucks who do not want to face any consequences for all the bad choices they have consciously made.
@@selenaherrera2028 Just because it hasn't worked yet doesn't mean it never will.
Can't believe that there isn't more comments! Never had a therapist say this before, though I do kind of agree!
There is
Tate: Have mercy... please!
Ben: There is no mercy.
Well this just set mental health treatment back a good bit...
@@Sarah-yy6hv i get that, im just worried for the people who need therapy and take this wrong out of the context of the show. And the fact that it is portrayed like the therapist is correct (he is, Tate is hopeless at this moment but thats not the point) I fear that a viewer might take that to heart. Especially given how open to suggestion a lot of mentally ill people tend to be. He's right until he starts talking about therapy in general.
@blueturtle3623 yeah. I go to therapy. This hurt a bit. Think he's got it backwards. People who don't go to therapy Don't want any accountability. People who do go. Do.
Damn these writers really hated therapists.
Love this scene so much.
Constance also psychotic. This is from her...
I am confused why tate brother is kind of monster?
Ben was really a bad therapist: 1⁰ he only talks about Freud when said about blame parent and shit, like if you dont agree with Freud (like some therapist dont) there is other studies, bro! Dindt you go to College? 2⁰ Being psychopath its not a disorder, they can have metal disorders, but psychopaths are individuals that certains whose personalities traits make them like this (the ones that Ben talk are ones of them) a kid with light of this psychopaths trais can still not be one if their ambient are not abusive or if they had some kind of incentive to continue being in that way. But it cant be helped if the person already got a taste of it and remember not all psychopaths are murders (executives of big corporetions for example), or smarters, charismatic... thats something that movies use to romantize this thing.
Sorry my poor english!
Whoever wrote this scene didn't know much about Psychopathy.
Not really. ‘But don’t listen to me, I’m a fraud’.
It’s still open to interpretation.
Tate and Ben are awesome!
I'm sad it ended like this because I wanted Tate to have a redemption arc 😢 He genuinely wanted to be better.
Sarah Nour not everyone can be redeemed.
Tim O'Sullivan They can if they're remorseful, in my opinion. Hayden has no remorse for her actions, so she can't be redeemed. Constance is remorseful for her bad parenting, so she sees raising her grandchild as her means of redemption (though that likely won't end well, him being the spawn of Satan and all...). Either way, as a writer I'm always curious to see how TV shows handle taking a despicable character and turning them into better people.
Sarah Nour he's a phycopath it's just the way he was born. Nobody can help him.
Tim O'Sullivan amen
Did you seriously not catch that right after Ben diagnosed Tate as a psychopath, he proceeds to say he's a fraud? Also, with psychopaths, you can see it in them from a young age, Tate showed no signs of such when we are shown the flashback of Tate when he was young and Nora saved him from Thaddeus. In fact, he was a very sensitive young boy.
Therapy really doesn’t do shit
I like to pretend he's talking to Nikolas Cruz
Future conversation between Sharon and I--busted!
It reminded me of the Menendez brothers
Hell no, therapy doesn't work. I know that from experience. Meaning I've been in therapy myself many times.
No it's facts
He didn't just tell tate the facts he was telling the truth
I know from experience
In my opinion Ben is right, therapy doesn’t work.... it’s kind of stupid in a way (i haven’t go to therapy)
You haven't gone to therapy, so you don't know if it'll work. Though I do agree and I don't plan on ever going. You have to learn how to cope on your own.
@Don’t pull out the 9 Jamal what did he say?
sounds like you need a new therapist.
@Don’t pull out the 9 Jamal tell him off. Lemme know how it goes.
Been going to therapy for years now and Ben is right. Its just paying someone to listen to your bullshit. They won't solve it for you. And most people are aware enough to know what the solutions are.
@@CertifiedBootlicker It’s great for some. Talking through issues with a professional can be really beneficial. People with PTSD are going through “bullshit”
This is so very true: therapy is a pile of shit. It doesn't work.
narcissist psychopath or sociopath how to spot a differences
RUclipsr MedCircle
i found this video some time ago those kinds of people are unlike me good with explaining stuff