We have an electric supply house that is open with staff mo-fri 7-16 and outside that it's a self service. You of course have to register in advance and get an access card to use that service. And there are CCTV all over that place
in Sweden we also have 24/7. There you enter with, for example, a mobile phone with personal identification as security. So no one needs to come to the location to open. Some companies have through their app and personal identification we have in the phones.
I am watching this video right now and I work sales at a refrigeration parts house - I am sitting here on Saturday waiting for the tech that called me in to get here. 😁 I've been the tech - I like this side of the counter just fine.
I noticed a lot of frozen waterdrops on the ceiling in the walk-in freezer. It usely indicates that the defrost-end temperature setpoint is to high. The heating elements will stay on way to long resulting in boiling/steaming the water in the evaporating coil. The steam wil condensate again on the ceiling. A bad functioning drain is also an extra cause of to much water remaining in the drainpan. Greeting from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
i agree with everything the fellow dutch said :). Drops Usually means a too high Defrost-endtemperature. it could also be that the dripping time (time after defrost before the metering device starts opening up) is a bit too long. or if its not regulated on End-temperature it could be that the End-time is too long. other thing could be too many defrost cycles per day. Defrost is individual for every location and takes time. sometimes its really tedious to fine-tune. Greetings from Switzerland😊
I always replace those with EC5408E motors and then use a 5140C fan blade set. Still the same equivalent "wattage" range, but a lot lower cost motor. Just have to cut the plug as someone else said. Thank you for the always great videos!
You are absolutely right. but as we all know, a lot of companies that will do “preventative maintenance” schedules don’t do a single thing out side of spraying the coil and changing the filters. The customer would be lucky if they even tightened the belts up. On exhaust fans, RTUs, walk in, reach ins, etc. I know guys that wouldn’t check a single thing if a unit was making temp. I do understand why some restaurants pass on setting up a PM schedule. They can afford it and there is more work for the real refrigeration techs. But so frustrating getting a call at 4 on a Saturday with a walk in freezer.
When the budget is already tight it is difficult to allocate funds to a PM contract when the contractor in question didn't provide any actual value to that customer.
@@HVACRVIDEOS exactly. I’ve been in the trade for about 5 years now. And hate to say it, but almost every commercial food service type company in the area are full of those kind of “techs”.
You are getting the Customer back up and Running because GOD knows Food and/or Booze is Expensive and especially with the Inventory they carry. Nice Repair. 👍🙏
@@jin8684 It used to be the on call guy got to keep that opening fee. Not sure if still like that, but counter guys always happy to open weekends to make that extra money.
I’ve had to replace two of those motors. Opened up the old ones both had obvious moisture damage. If it’s a real problem I wonder if a film of silicone around that seam would help them last longer, one looked like the water came in through the wire hole but it had been so long since I replaced it couldn’t tell you witch way it was mounted.
Think it's been a while since we've seen a filthy condenser being cleaned. Didn't look like it had the super chunkers that you show us sometimes, but it was still very satisfying seeing all the dirt wash away!
I am that way it hast to be a life or death situation before I call the SH for parts.. I’ll even try to rig up anything to get by for 24 hours but sometimes we don’t have a choice!!!! ❤
I worked out in our OC location for over a year up until recently, and had no idea that there was an Allied in Tustin. None of my coworkers there even mentioned it. I looked it up, it’s not far from the Trane Supply on Redhill, which I’ve been to a bunch of times.
There in Europe we use motor starters on compressors, so in the case of single phasing, the compressor shuts off, instead of waiting for a thermal overload in the compressor, and risking of burning up the compressor.
That’s why I installed HEATCRAFT equipment when I have the choice of . Those Russel motors are dumb. Those 3 motors you replaced plus service call etc is the price of a new coil or close to it
So.... the D1126 doesn't fit in there. I was keeping an extra blade in case this happened. Oh, 35W motor. The one i have is way too big. Great video thanx for sharing.
You missed your calling 😂. "Oh, yeah, look at that... It's coming through like chocolate milk... Nice and dirty... Yeah... I'm gonna get two hands in here... Nice and through". If you dropped your voice a few octaves, get a little Barry White action going... I am thinkin' that would work for ya 😜. Great video and just messin'
What is a 'regular maintenance schedule' on average for companies like this or ones with say one or two walk-in freezers, maybe stove/cook top air vents and what not? When you negotiate as a maintenance schedule with a company, would you say you do a job for X amount of dollars which would be inspection and any cleaning/belt maintenance every 4 months or something? Or is it more of a (every refrigeration unit is once every 2 months, every oven vent would be once every 5 months)? Just curious as to why people don't have maintenance schedules with some contractor. You seem to come across a lot of companies that don't do it, and when it fails they get massive bills that may exceed what they may have spend on the maintenance itself.
I really like your videos when you’re cleaning a coil. It’s my zen spot. Nothing better looking then a clean coil rather it is a condensor or evaporator. Hopefully you’re doing well. Thanks for another good video.
Better man than me... They would have gotten 2 pieces of cardboard over those dead motors and I'd see them monday. If it was a good customer I would of moved the working motor to the middle and de iced it 😂
I work for United Refrigeration. We do have a replacement that is less expensive, that we buy from the mfg, but nothing "generic" to replace it as of this time.
Yeah a few people have reached out and gave me the part number, it’s literally the same motor but 400 dollars cheaper… it’s still gonna fail in a year or so but at least it’s cheaper
@@HVACRVIDEOSNo it's not, I've used it, last longer time and EC Motors on WI Freezers dont last long because moisture gets in there and freezes the motor.
Why isnt it common to use motor-starter contacters with thermal block on them for compressors? so it can lock itself out incase it single-phases and prevent the compressor from burning out.
I have been using the rescue ecm motors from RSD. I cut off the 2 prong plug and wire it in without the relay. Been working for me on emergency calls, those oem ecm motors are just insanely expensive
Otro excelente trabajo mi estimado Chris, es muy importante todo lo que haces así te anticipas a fallas futuras, una estupenda manera de enseñar a cómo se debe tratar a los clientes seguiré firmemente tú forma de trabajar y te lo agradezco. Tengo unas dudas: Russell es la marca de los motores? Que significa OEM? Cuál es la bobina AA? También que significa PSC. Muchas gracias por todo tú tiempo, saludos desde Coacalco Edo de México.
Hola, Russell es la marca de la evaporada no de los motores. OEM, significa original equipment manufacturer y PSC significa Permanent Split Capacitor, ese es un motor que neccisitas un capacidor
Wish more places would take maintenance more seriously...the fan motors were legit...and so was opening up the supply house. Kinda sucks to have to do maintenance related things on weekends. As an owner I'm sure it's easy money....as a tech...its irritating to have to leave home to wash coils. Chris is someone who understands it from both angles. We have started replacing contactors with SSR's. Not in everything, but much more frequently.
@@HVACRVIDEOS we got to the point in South Florida where we require it for warranty purposes. Losing phases, etc because of the poor quality of utilities created the issue and after getting burned ourselves, we now require it on new /retro systems or if we pick up a new customer for PM contract. It was surprising at the amount of issues the monitoring caught. Excellent video... We don't feel so bad here seeing you battle your heat as well. We laughed at the "but it's s dry heat". It's frigging hot.
I'm in telco/ISP land, not HVAC, but one of ours charges $175 to open the supply house and the other charges a 30% fee, on top of only providing after-hours out of one warehouse that's at least a 2 hour drive away.
Hey Chris. So besides the obvious, voltage, watts does really matter when it comes to replacing a motor? I’m assuming you didn’t want to go down in watts using an after market motor.
OMG, that coil wasn't working at all. People don't realize that heat dissipation doesn't work thru dirt. It's a metal to air process like a heat sink. But with fans.
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I run the San Jose allied branch, thanks for shouting out Tustin and our team, you’re the man brother!
We have an electric supply house that is open with staff mo-fri 7-16 and outside that it's a self service. You of course have to register in advance and get an access card to use that service. And there are CCTV all over that place
Where is it?😊
@@Wlladdd Northern Europe
@justme5384 That's nice, I didn't see it in the US. It's so interesting to see how does it works. Is it possible to find this store on Google Maps?
in Sweden we also have 24/7. There you enter with, for example, a mobile phone with personal identification as security. So no one needs to come to the location to open. Some companies have through their app and personal identification we have in the phones.
That's a neat idea
I am watching this video right now and I work sales at a refrigeration parts house - I am sitting here on Saturday waiting for the tech that called me in to get here. 😁
I've been the tech - I like this side of the counter just fine.
I noticed a lot of frozen waterdrops on the ceiling in the walk-in freezer. It usely indicates that the defrost-end temperature setpoint is to high. The heating elements will stay on way to long resulting in boiling/steaming the water in the evaporating coil. The steam wil condensate again on the ceiling. A bad functioning drain is also an extra cause of to much water remaining in the drainpan.
Greeting from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
I have also found that too many defrost cycles will cause the fan shrouds to ice and droplets on the ceiling around the evaporator.
That is something I've run across as well in the past.
i agree with everything the fellow dutch said :). Drops Usually means a too high Defrost-endtemperature. it could also be that the dripping time (time after defrost before the metering device starts opening up) is a bit too long. or if its not regulated on End-temperature it could be that the End-time is too long. other thing could be too many defrost cycles per day.
Defrost is individual for every location and takes time. sometimes its really tedious to fine-tune.
Greetings from Switzerland😊
I always replace those with EC5408E motors and then use a 5140C fan blade set. Still the same equivalent "wattage" range, but a lot lower cost motor. Just have to cut the plug as someone else said.
Thank you for the always great videos!
Great tip!
Great video, Chris! That customer should be doing PM for sure
Thanks bud
You are absolutely right. but as we all know, a lot of companies that will do “preventative maintenance” schedules don’t do a single thing out side of spraying the coil and changing the filters. The customer would be lucky if they even tightened the belts up. On exhaust fans, RTUs, walk in, reach ins, etc. I know guys that wouldn’t check a single thing if a unit was making temp. I do understand why some restaurants pass on setting up a PM schedule. They can afford it and there is more work for the real refrigeration techs. But so frustrating getting a call at 4 on a Saturday with a walk in freezer.
When the budget is already tight it is difficult to allocate funds to a PM contract when the contractor in question didn't provide any actual value to that customer.
@@HVACRVIDEOS exactly. I’ve been in the trade for about 5 years now. And hate to say it, but almost every commercial food service type company in the area are full of those kind of “techs”.
You are getting the Customer back up and Running because GOD knows Food and/or Booze is Expensive and especially with the Inventory they carry. Nice Repair. 👍🙏
Thanks
You are the supply house's bread and butter. Good that they were responsive to your needs.
Sorry to say, but the parts houses have way bigger clients than Mr. HVACR Videos. They open because they charge him around $150 extra to open up.
@@jin8684 It used to be the on call guy got to keep that opening fee. Not sure if still like that, but counter guys always happy to open weekends to make that extra money.
I’ve had to replace two of those motors. Opened up the old ones both had obvious moisture damage. If it’s a real problem I wonder if a film of silicone around that seam would help them last longer, one looked like the water came in through the wire hole but it had been so long since I replaced it couldn’t tell you witch way it was mounted.
Think it's been a while since we've seen a filthy condenser being cleaned. Didn't look like it had the super chunkers that you show us sometimes, but it was still very satisfying seeing all the dirt wash away!
The big picture always works great job Chris.
Yes it does!
I am that way it hast to be a life or death situation before I call the SH for parts.. I’ll even try to rig up anything to get by for 24 hours but sometimes we don’t have a choice!!!! ❤
Great video. Thank you for sharing
Good work, Chris. Thank you.
Thank you
I worked out in our OC location for over a year up until recently, and had no idea that there was an Allied in Tustin. None of my coworkers there even mentioned it. I looked it up, it’s not far from the Trane Supply on Redhill, which I’ve been to a bunch of times.
Do you ever give an I am already on the roof with my tools quote and a Saturday night at 9:pm quote? LOL
That allied location is pretty good
Customer should appreciate you catching the dirty condenser and failing contactor Could save them in overtime repairs later😊
I like to think they appreciate it greatly
There in Europe we use motor starters on compressors, so in the case of single phasing, the compressor shuts off, instead of waiting for a thermal overload in the compressor, and risking of burning up the compressor.
That’s why I installed HEATCRAFT equipment when I have the choice of . Those Russel motors are dumb. Those 3 motors you replaced plus service call etc is the price of a new coil or close to it
So.... the D1126 doesn't fit in there. I was keeping an extra blade in case this happened. Oh, 35W motor. The one i have is way too big.
Great video thanx for sharing.
Thanks for the info
You missed your calling 😂. "Oh, yeah, look at that... It's coming through like chocolate milk... Nice and dirty... Yeah... I'm gonna get two hands in here... Nice and through". If you dropped your voice a few octaves, get a little Barry White action going... I am thinkin' that would work for ya 😜. Great video and just messin'
I just slowed the play back speed.
lol
Good job Chris......
What is a 'regular maintenance schedule' on average for companies like this or ones with say one or two walk-in freezers, maybe stove/cook top air vents and what not? When you negotiate as a maintenance schedule with a company, would you say you do a job for X amount of dollars which would be inspection and any cleaning/belt maintenance every 4 months or something? Or is it more of a (every refrigeration unit is once every 2 months, every oven vent would be once every 5 months)? Just curious as to why people don't have maintenance schedules with some contractor. You seem to come across a lot of companies that don't do it, and when it fails they get massive bills that may exceed what they may have spend on the maintenance itself.
I really like your videos when you’re cleaning a coil. It’s my zen spot. Nothing better looking then a clean coil rather it is a condensor or evaporator. Hopefully you’re doing well. Thanks for another good video.
Thanks for watching
Hey Chris have you thought of using Gloves to keep your hand warm in the Freezers
Handled it... I use Allied as we'll in Tustin 🎉
Great video 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
i was going to ask what opening a supply house was, but you answered it.. also, the phrase is nip it in the bud, not in the butt lol
I know but it drives you all nuts and makes me laugh when I say it wrong…..
Ec 5414e dual voltage and reversible rotation for these units if you are only running one speed sir
Hi Chris love ur videos! They should really do proper maintainence that condenser was dirty! I learn so much from ur videos great job man.!
I appreciate that
Better man than me... They would have gotten 2 pieces of cardboard over those dead motors and I'd see them monday. If it was a good customer I would of moved the working motor to the middle and de iced it 😂
In some situations that would be fine as well
I work for United Refrigeration. We do have a replacement that is less expensive, that we buy from the mfg, but nothing "generic" to replace it as of this time.
Yeah a few people have reached out and gave me the part number, it’s literally the same motor but 400 dollars cheaper… it’s still gonna fail in a year or so but at least it’s cheaper
@@HVACRVIDEOSNo it's not, I've used it, last longer time and EC Motors on WI Freezers dont last long because moisture gets in there and freezes the motor.
Great tech work chris customer should be happy
Thanks 👍
Why isnt it common to use motor-starter contacters with thermal block on them for compressors? so it can lock itself out incase it single-phases and prevent the compressor from burning out.
@@DANGERTIM112 there are also phase protection relays which will cut power if all the phases are not there.
A lot of these compressors seem to have thermal overload built in, that usually negates a proper motor starter.
I have been using the rescue ecm motors from RSD. I cut off the 2 prong plug and wire it in without the relay. Been working for me on emergency calls, those oem ecm motors are just insanely expensive
Part number?
@WswRefrigeration along the lines of EC5414E depending on wattage
@@DFxDesignz that’s what I thought. I have the 5412e on the van. I’m pretty sure that one will work as it’s cw se
@@WswRefrigeration they have been working great for me
Just curious as to what they charge you to open a/hrs?
I put a 16 or 25 watt ccw Unit bearing watt motor
is the reason for two speed evaporator fan part of energy code or just something manufacture decided to do
In most cases yes to reach a certain energy efficiency
Otro excelente trabajo mi estimado Chris, es muy importante todo lo que haces así te anticipas a fallas futuras, una estupenda manera de enseñar a cómo se debe tratar a los clientes seguiré firmemente tú forma de trabajar y te lo agradezco.
Tengo unas dudas:
Russell es la marca de los motores?
Que significa OEM?
Cuál es la bobina AA?
También que significa PSC.
Muchas gracias por todo tú tiempo, saludos desde Coacalco Edo de México.
OEM en ingles significa 'Original Equipment Manufacturer' en español seria 'Fabricante original de equipo'
Y si, Russell es el Fabricante de los motores que el uso
Muchas gracias amigo Germán son dudas que me resuelves y aclaras.
Saludos 🤗
Hola, Russell es la marca de la evaporada no de los motores. OEM, significa original equipment manufacturer y PSC significa Permanent Split Capacitor, ese es un motor que neccisitas un capacidor
@@HVACRVIDEOS
Muchas gracias por todo mi estimado Chris.
Dudas concluidas gracias a todos.
With how the left condenser fan motor stopped, it's probably on it's way out too. That plus the lubricant that seeped out of the bearing...
I would have to agree
Question, Do you have to pay a callout charge or a premium on the parts for the supply house when it's out of hours?
Yes, this particular supply house charges 150.00 dollars extra as an emergency open fee
Wish more places would take maintenance more seriously...the fan motors were legit...and so was opening up the supply house. Kinda sucks to have to do maintenance related things on weekends. As an owner I'm sure it's easy money....as a tech...its irritating to have to leave home to wash coils. Chris is someone who understands it from both angles. We have started replacing contactors with SSR's. Not in everything, but much more frequently.
So this video was made on my birthday 🥳👍
Happy Birthday
@@HVACRVIDEOS Thanks a lot! 🥳👍
If you have a down site you gotta do what you gotta do. The customer needs to be running and is willing to pay the costs .
I agree
I'm debating on plumbing or hvac...it seems more electrical and diagnostic stuff goes into hvac in comparison to plumbing.
I love ur vids even tho im a kid lol
I may or may not have "protected" my face when he said it shouldn't blow up lol
You have great instincts my friend
a 40 buck contactor is better than a 3k+ compressor replacement
Do you push for phase monitoring on three phase equipment?
Due to our nasty power grid it is something I recommend when possible
@@HVACRVIDEOS we got to the point in South Florida where we require it for warranty purposes. Losing phases, etc because of the poor quality of utilities created the issue and after getting burned ourselves, we now require it on new /retro systems or if we pick up a new customer for PM contract. It was surprising at the amount of issues the monitoring caught.
Excellent video... We don't feel so bad here seeing you battle your heat as well. We laughed at the "but it's s dry heat". It's frigging hot.
What is the cost of asking the supply house to come open up after hours?
I think in my area it's $100.
I'm in telco/ISP land, not HVAC, but one of ours charges $175 to open the supply house and the other charges a 30% fee, on top of only providing after-hours out of one warehouse that's at least a 2 hour drive away.
If you can get me the size and what you need I can 3d print a plastic with carbon fiber spacer to take fan blade to aftermarket motor
Damn I didn’t know allied opened after hours I thought it was just United
Sheesh working in OC
Appliance tech not HVAC, what costs are associated with opening the supply house?
Appliance tech also. It depends on the supply house it can range from $100 and up. Customer pays the extra cost.
Exactly
In my area (AZ) good techs can be upwards of 100/hr + gas charge for there time. Is this normal for your area as well ?
It is similar
Hey Chris. So besides the obvious, voltage, watts does really matter when it comes to replacing a motor?
I’m assuming you didn’t want to go down in watts using an after market motor.
This coming Monday during my live stream im going to discuss this a bit further, tune in if you can make it 5pm pacific
What is the call out fee these days? Used to $100 when I was working.
150 at allied if I remember correctly
OMG, that coil wasn't working at all. People don't realize that heat dissipation doesn't work thru dirt. It's a metal to air process like a heat sink. But with fans.
*the forbidden chocolate milk*
Have you ever had anything blow up? Lol😂
37 thumbs uP
Heck yeah
Man i hate thoose EC motors i understand they save energy but they really sucks 😑
Their emergency, not yours...screw them until normal working hours.
I'm dealing with these motors at work, I'm curious as to the 2 speed function and which speed is which between the red and the black?
L
“…And the sight glass is clear!” 🫡
What !!! Big picture on the contactor. 🫡