THE 5700XT! THAT’S MY BOY! Personally I love that card. Got it for 80€ on EBay, works perfectly and actually overclocks pretty well thanks to its beefy cooler. Yes it might not have raytracing but it’s kinda wonderful as a card
Fair, but i don't think Ray Tracing makes much sense on a budget graphics card anyways unless it's in moderate amounts that don't cause huge performance hits.
@@Rullino32 What can I do except agreeing. I was planning on buying an RX6600 XT, which is roughly the same price, but it was a lot more expensive + the raytracing wasn’t the best by the test I had seen so I decided to just go to the cheaper 5700XT
06:00 Assassin's Creed Origins has a bug on AMD drivers for some 1-2 year now, game is basically running at ~50-60% speed for some reason on at least RDNA1. If you use DXVK on it, even if the game was showing as 100% GPU load before, its performance will almost double on AMD GPUs.
@@IcebergTechReinstalled Origins to test it on 7900 XTX on Windows. DXVK was 23% faster than DX11 on Adrenalin 24.7.1. I'd expect DXVK on Linux to be even faster.
The 3600X and 5700XT rig I built right before release of the RTX3000 series and the Great Covid GPU Drought still remains one of the best investments in PC hardware I ever made.
Even as hateful as the drivers are, i still want a Radeon VII, as it is presently the last gpu with hbm memory. Then crypto bros basically ensured nobody was allowed to have any of them. And summarily destroying every last one.
Crypto mining doesn't destroy a card. It can actually be better treated in the hands of a miner than in the hands of a gamer Since miners tend to underclock the cards and run them 24-7, so there's less Contracting and expanding when the card turns on and off like with a normal user
@@TruthDoesNotExist CRYPTO MINING DOES kill gpu's. What planet are you from to even INSINUATE that is beyond me. By ALL MEANS, go watch www.youtube.com/@northwestrepair sir has _several_ videos of crypto mined GPU's that grenaded themselves under the demand. The average crypto bro does not give a damn about the health of their GPU. They buy them up by the pallet, they mine to within a millimeter of electronic death, and then turn around and sell them at a profit, as if they are doing the gamers a favor. It's insulting, it is disgusting. And the sad thing is, even the most common successful repairs are of cards with GDDR5X or 6/x. *NOBODY* has successfully repaired a dead HBM card. So, DO NOT. EVEN. GO THERE. CAPISCHE?
@@1986Hikaru That's simply because most mining rigs are kept uncovered and without a chassis so the hardware in there is more susceptible to physical wear and tear on the outside lotta dust and all
@@drakechapman7476 i am curious if they suffer the same reliability issues due to the HBM memory used as with the Vega cards. for the Vega 56/64 they are all essentially ticking time bombs due to a flaw in the interposer used to facilitate the HBM memory
I got one used, mined etherium in my dorm room bc free electricity, made all my money back and then sold the card right before eth crashed through the floor. I'll forever love this thing lol
@@StiggyAzalea based lol. i did the same with a number of cards. started with an i5 4570 and a 2060 and ended the shortages with a 3070 ti, 5800x, and 64GB of ram and never had to spend a penny out of pocket
Considering at the time RTX2080ti cards tended to cost £1200 and RX5700XTs could be had for £350 the RX5700XT was a bargain beast. Now, though, I'm thinking of upgrading my 2060S with a 2080ti to use as a 1080P monster card. At that resolution it'll play anything you throw at it, even Alan Wake 2, like a champ. Older stuff I would be able to just set an internal DSR resolution to 4K to crisp up the image a bit.
I really don't think the 2080ti makes any sense to get now. If you get a crazy good deal then maybe, but plenty of last gen amd or nvidia products can beat it out for the price. The 2080ti really didn't age terribly well and was never a popular enough card to drop super low on the used market.
@@Freakmaster480Lack of popularity tends to drop the prices, not increase them. In my country it costs roughly like 6700XT and 3060ti and while I’d go with 6700XT, I wouldn’t mind 2080ti if I used Windows and cared for RT and CUDA.
@@zextakamania2086 The 1080ti was incredibly popular at launch so it sold a ton and there are tons of them selling used. Since the used market is so large they tended to stay relatively affordable on the used market. The 2080ti was never a super popular card at launch and never sold a ton, this means the used market for them is relatively small in comparison and their price used is higher than could be expected for something that was more common new. Used 2080tis aren't super expensive, but they aren't as cheap as they would have been if more people purchased that generation.
5700XT was my saviour, what with it releasing just before the 2020 GPU crash. Still use it to this day, powers through every task I throw at it. (It's easier to ignore how much it's been surpassed when you never upgraded your 1080p monitors).
@@BaconEater666 that isn't an argument against using latest drivers to test current games, or even to go back and test all previous games on current drivers Otherwise, what's even the point of the video? Everybody already knows the 2080ti was and still is faster than the 5700xt. It's a comparison between a $1000 GPU and a $400 GPU. What's the next video, comparing a 4060ti against a 4080 super? Why not, they're $400 and $1000, respectively.
@@WGK90Yeah, I'm still coming to terms with people calling 5th gen retro. Hell, many are calling 6th gen the same! PS2 retro? Soon we'll have retro HD gaming.
I snagged a 5700XT (MSI Armor?) from my friend who said it "crashed" all the time. After taking off the heatsink, it was apparent that either MSI or someone else handled this card so poorly, that the thermal pads were not installed on the VRAM in the right spot. After fixing that, I ran the card into the ground. After two applications of Kryonaut, the hotspot on the card still hit over 90C, and it ended up artifacting almost 2 years into it's purchase date. Bought a 3070Ti Refurbished from MicroCenter and have never had to even work the fan speed. Love it to death for the 300USD I paid for it. TLDR The 5700XT was KNOWN to have absolute trash models. If you didn't get a mangled card from the factory, it was great. But in my experience it was about 3 out of every 10 5700XTs I ended up repairing were from terrible heatsink design.
@@EtaCarinaeSC That it does. But when you consider the 5700XT regularly pulled 225 watts, the 250-275 my 3070Ti draws really isn’t that terrible to me. I am also an American who doesn’t have to worry much about energy cost too!
I looted a p620 out of a dell precision i got from one of my dads bids, its a nifty little card. a lil annoying with the mini displayport adapters, but its nifty for what it is.
You gave me a slightly worried flashback. I had to go look at the specs on the P620 and was able to breathe a sigh of relief. I bought a Quadro P400 on eBay during the GPU shortage when I needed a 2nd GPU to tinker with (GPU transcoding IIRC) and was surprised to find out that the P400 underperformed the iGPU from a Ryzen 2400G paired with DDR4-2667. I wouldn't have guessed it was possible for a Pascal generation dGPU with a dedicated framebuffer could be slower than an iGPU. Thankfully, at least on paper, the P620 looks like it's about 2x as fast as a P400. Enjoy! Sometimes simply getting to play games is enough and you don't need to have all the eye candy to have a lot of fun.
I'm from Kenya (africa) any card with the label "gaming" is overpriced. For reference a gt 730 retails for 150 USD! I got my quadro 2nd hand for 30 USD because it is not a "gaming" card.
I am a proud owner of a Sapphire 5700 XT Nitro+ since christmas of 2019 and these days with FSR it still bangs the newest games, now i'm waiting for RDNA 4
8:00 Testing TWH 2 in a battle with 4 units is like testing Crysis, when looking in the menu. Running a battle with 40 units in a forest map will tank that frame rate by at least half of what you are showing in those graphs.
I really think we're past the days of regular shakeups in the midrange of gpus. It feels like only the high end will see the bigs jumps and any lower segment will see repeated moderate increases until some needed feature phases out current products and forces and upgrade. Gpus right now really kind of feel like the years of 14+++ nm cpus to me.
I’ll always have a soft spot for Turing cards seeing as the first GPU I ever bought was a 2070 super, and it happily powered me through 1440p gaming for quite a while! Helps that mine could OC like an absolute champ too 😂
@@VoldoronGaming no they are not 😂 are you on drugs cause no way you'll find better deals than this. If you think these are overpriced than I'm afraid to say that all GPUs are overpriced
Another general tip for RDNA1: DXNAVI (official since 23.7.2 on RDNA1) boosted DX11 (and DX10) performance A LOT on 5700 XT. So if a game is generally CPU bound, like most Unreal Engine 4 games, absolutely use DX12 for best performance. However if a game is generally GPU bound, like Control or Metro Exodus and it has a DX11 option, usually you'll see some ~10 fps more on DX11 than on DX12. Also ReBar increases VRAM usage exponentially and usually performance degrades. Best case scenario, boosts fps by 3-5 fps in very, very few titles. Not worth it given it mostly degrades performance across most other games.
I've since upgraded to a 7800 XT, but I adore my 5700 XT to this day, and made sure to get the Red Devil model for the 78 as a nod to the 57. That thing is an absolute trooper for its weight class. The only games I play that it would even break a sweat running at 4K were Genshin Impact and Elden Ring, while it ran everything else I care about without issue at 60+ with a mix of settings and resolutions. It's like a reliable friend; When my other GPU I'd previously upgraded to (a used 3080 Ti prior to the 7800 XT) crapped out on me out of the blue, I popped the 5700 XT out of my Hackintosh, and it had my back until I could get a new card. It's a beautiful card that I plan on putting in a display case when it finally dies.
Got a RX 5700XT a year ago for my 2nd PC for £100 from a guy in Buxton. Many thanks guy from Buxton! Also, now do a video with the latest drivers, the RX 5700XT aged like a bottle of fine scotch
Surpirsed nobody has told you this but this series has a similar feel to that 290X vs 780ti "there are no relative performance GPU's" video you made with "Hardware Lab" a while ago. Which was the video I found your channel through as well.
Still have the rx 5700 xt 50th anniversary edition running in my girlfriend's PC as she only plays indie games and competitive titles, it will always have a special place in my heart as my 1st proper GPU. I'm personally still running the EVGA 2080 ti ftw3 in my personal rig and still running strong with a 1440p monitor!
I think for the greatest GPU OF ALL TIME you should consider this ones as candidates: RX 580 8Gb, RTX 2080 super, GTX 1060 6Gb, RTX 3060 12Gb, RX 6650 XT, R9 390x 8Gb.
Still rocking a water cooled 2080ti. I felt bad paying for it as much as i did but it turned out to be an alright deal. $1000 for the card + a 144hz 1440p IPS monitor at the start of 2020.
I had a 5700XT at the start of the pandemic when I couldn't get a RTX 3080. Then at the end of 2021, I was able to sell it to a crypto miner for $1K and used the money get the 3080FE regular price. Took a bit of patience but a free upgrade in the end considering I sold it for more than I paid for the 3080. That said, the 5700XT was very impressive at even 1440P in my games. The 3080 is still slapping ass now in my rig paired with a 5700X3D. Great video!
I did the exact same thing! I got the evga 3080 ftw3, it wasn’t a free upgrade, but I only ended up paying $100 CAD for it. I have it paired with a 5800X3D.
@@andrewmacfayden1671 That's awesome! Even though we don't have the highest end systems, we are still pretty good for 1080/1440P for a few years I'd say. Though, I'll consider the 5080 if it's about 4090 performance or more for $999 USD max.
Not sure what you mean by the 5700 XT not competing with the 1080 Ti at the beginning. When it was launched the 1080 Ti was about 10% faster and ever since 2 years ago they perform the same with the 1080 Ti having an advantage in games that use more than 8GB and the 5700 XT having an advantage in power efficiency.
I still have the RX 5700 XT...it turns out that double the performance of it is not worth it for $480. I'll wait until the top RDNA4 if it has the raster of a RX 7900 XTX...or a RTX 5070.
@@takehirolol5962 yeah hoping rdna4 is around the same performance for a cheaper price when my friend is going to upgrade from a 1070ti soon and I told him to wait. I think within the next year or two amd will start doing AI upscaling and the rdna 3 cards have AI accelerators in them.
When RDNA 4 comes out, you might be able to purchase the last generation rx 7900 xtx. It might actually be faster in rasterization than any RDNA 4 graphics card.
As a long time ATI and AMD graphics card buyer, I was going to purchase the 5700xt for my new computer build in 2019 but opted for my first ever Nvidia card, the 2060 Super as the drivers for the 5700xt still had issues 6 months after release 😢.
RX 5700 XT was on the toe-to-toe fight vs RTX 2070 and won; the super of the card came later and was roughly on par with the 5700 cards. This comparison is just....well, totally a pro for Team Green.
i bought the 5700 XT msi mech OC at launch for $430ish and it held up during the pandemic till now running at 1440p. Just recently replaced it for the 4070 ti super. I salute the 5700 XT for its hard work.
I hope you are not doing it for gaming coz SLI is pointless... Probably rtx4070 is way better than them with ~200 power draw. Pff even rtx4060ti 16gb should be probably better.
@@zbigniew2628 how do you like your overpriced mid-range card costing $500? Why do you think I need 4070 when you have no idea what games I buy or play?
@@kevinerbs2778 I do not like it, coz I do not have it :P I buy only used ones. I stated only facts, SLI is pointless since ages. RTX4060ti 16gb does not have point for gaming, but still better than this SLI of power monstes.8GB should be enough, but then you would complain about less VRAM. In fact even a basic rtx4060 is going to be better than this SLI from time to time (Phatom Liberty DLC with RT)....
@@zbigniew2628 again who says im playing that game? No the 4060 ti 16 Gb is not faster than a rtx 2080 ti espeically at 4k. Not without d.l.s.s. and frame genration.
@@kevinerbs2778 Sorry mate, but in tests, even 8gb version is better, without these features, most of the time, if not every time, unless vram issue. CP2077 was only an example to show edge case, where even basic rtx4060 without ti is better than this useless SLI.
Still rocking my 2080ti but it's starting to show its age with newer AAA's. With Intel's issues and the 9000 series AM5 coming in kind of mid lately I don't know when my next PC build will be
Remember when people were saying the 5700XT would age poorly compared to the Nvidia counterpart because it didn't support hw RT and DirectStorage? Good times.
the problem this this series is that when I think of goat card I don't always thing of top tier one of my goats is the r9 380 4gb, rx 580 and gtx 1060 6gb
The 5700XT was an RTX 2070 competitor and it trades blows with the GTX 1080Ti in most games now. The RTX 2080Ti was much more expensive, twice the price, and AMD had nothing to compete with it. I don't know how you managed to have the 5700XT perform worse than Vega 64 though, it was always at minimum 10% faster. The RDR2 1% lows are a bit surprising as well, they shouldn't be this low with Vulkan and SAM/ReBar enabled (it makes a huge difference in this game).
I actually think this was overall AMDs greatest gpu at launch. It was priced perfectly. Undercut nvidia. Had great price to performance. It was my first gpu ever for my first build. I will always treasure it.
i had a 2080ti as my first ever gaming GPU in 2019 when i graduated high school and started working i saved up 3k for my first Custom PC ever, it was a Beast in Games, and later in 2021 i got a 3090 to replace the 2080ti in the same system and then sold it to update and build a new system in 2023 using the 3090 and now in 2024 got a 4090
I really wanted to get an XFX THICC III RX 5700 XT but seeing the initial performance of Alan Wake II on it made me spend a bit more and choose an XFX RX 6650 XT instead.
5700XT is the perfect single monitor e-sports gaming cafe card, more so given how their prices bombed on the used market. But what a PoS. The QoL for multimonitor productivity setups dropped off a cliff with the RDNA series cards, even to this day; so I just went back to Nvidia. Loved my Vega 64 and it's HBM made it the most efficient 2d workload card I've ever owned, but new Radeon just doesnt seem to care about anything much beyond having the highest FPS in the latest CoD.
Iceberg Tech : in 2018 Nvidias launch RTX title Battlefield V was showing how advanced the RDNA 1 was because the RX 5700 XT 8GB beat the RTX 2080 Super 8GB which is ironic to say the least....but that tilebased cue rendering algorithm in the RDNA 1 proved to be very very advanced. You should have compared the 2080 Ti in that game to the RX 5700 XT....so that we could see how small the gaps is.
I had both cards, 2080ti in my main desktop, and a 5700 (that you could flash to a near 5700xt) that I used in a secondary media center pc. The series wasn't bad, but it's like AMD just gave up and didn't want to try to compete with nvidia. Also the card wasn't 1000 bucks, it was 1200.
I always look for value/performance. I bought red devil 5700xt almost two years ago around 150$. Can't complain. I had RX470 nitro+ 4gb mining edition before that works still and give it to my cousin. He have a free upgrade over rx 560 4gb. 5700xt still rocks FHD.
i still have rtx2080 super, and im happy with this gpu, i have 1080p monitor, and this gpu can still push games, cpu is r5 5600 with ddr4 3400MHz 32gb ram, perfect.
I'll admit, I sold my original 5700xt to miner for 3x what I payed for it.. Probably should've done the same with my 2080 when they were going for ~$1400 but I still have that card in my second machine. Eventually reconnected with a 5700xt for $100 that's now in a machine I built for a friend so we can game together.
The 2080ti isn't a legend in the same way. It was the last GPU to support SLI, first to introduce RTX, DLSS, and a few other tech. It was truly a marvel of technology.
The 2080ti was a bit of a monster. It had a die size of 754 mm². Unfortunately the 250w Nvidia allowed it was far too low for it to really stretch its legs. With an increased power limit they could provide significantly more performance. Of course when it came to the 30 series, Nvidia increased the power limits significantly
Im your honest opinion iceburg tech whats faster rx 5700xt or gtx 1080 ti as both gpus can be had for a similar price now thanks? In the uk i nought a 5700 xt for £60 but sold it to cex as was overheating but bought another one for £80 were as i have a gtx 1080 ti to pick up for £110 which do u think is better thanks
There's no question that both the RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT were the best GPUs of that generation. Sure, they couldn't do ray-tracing but RT is still irrelevant for the most part even today. The RX 5700 XT cost the same as an RTX 2060 but performed like an RTX 2070. I personally know how great this card is because I still own an XFX THICC-III version of it. The first card I bought was an XFX Triple-Dissipation (because I don't see the point in paying more for the "top-level" version of ANY card) and there were hardware issues with it. It caused power-off resets (something that drivers can't do) and so I RMA'd the card. To their credit, XFX replaced it with a THICC-III (the high-end model) and I noticed that instead of an 8+6-pin connector, it had the full 8+8. My guess is that the 8+6 wasn't enough. I knew for sure that it wasn't drivers because when I popped out my first RX 5700 XT to send to XFX for RMA, I popped in my old Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro without re-installing the drivers and all instability immediately ceased. Again, without changing the drivers, I popped in the replacement 5700 XT and everything was fine. All of the people whining about drivers just didn't know what they were doing. That's why no reviewers were able to duplicate the problems that people were claiming. Either they had a hardware problem like I did or they don't know the proper way to install a new video card (especially when changing brands). It's not as simple as a lot of people think, this is high-end tech after all and while it's not rocket science, it's also not playing with lego.
The only time I had issues with drivers was on a rx580 around 2020, if I overclocked it too much and it crashed it would screw the drivers and I'd have to reinstall them lol, I still have the GPU and it doesn't happen anymore on the newest drivers
I'm currently rocking a 5700xt and I can play anything I like work no issues the only downside is I bought a cheap model so it sounds close to a PS4 let engine but an undervolt helped mitigating it
Woahhhh insane timing dude I JUST bought a 5700XT for a 1080p machine, needed a blower style card and they pop up on UK ebay silly cheap often, like sub £100 for the standard cooler. 1080Ti's go for over £150 now (thanks Steve). At the time if you wanted a new GPU to max out 1080p this was the only option, glad they stuck with "mid range" for this gen, then knocked it out of the park with 6000 series while nVidia was being INSANE with 3000 series built exclusivly for rich oil barrons.
But I still wouldn't get the 5700XT as the RTX 2080 Ti's higher VRAM and feature-sets make the latter able to last a lot longer. So if you had bought the 2080 Ti, you'll get what you've paid for.
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THE 5700XT! THAT’S MY BOY!
Personally I love that card. Got it for 80€ on EBay, works perfectly and actually overclocks pretty well thanks to its beefy cooler. Yes it might not have raytracing but it’s kinda wonderful as a card
Fair, but i don't think Ray Tracing makes much sense on a budget graphics card anyways unless it's in moderate amounts that don't cause huge performance hits.
@@Rullino32 What can I do except agreeing. I was planning on buying an RX6600 XT, which is roughly the same price, but it was a lot more expensive + the raytracing wasn’t the best by the test I had seen so I decided to just go to the cheaper 5700XT
THE BOYS GOOD!
I have one and been using it 3 years
Aged well, not to mention the fact I don't really play new games so I don't need more performance
2080ti 2nd hand destroys 5700xt
Just picked up the 5700xt for my brothers itx build. He's well excited to fire it up. Best £120 I've spent
So this is what it’s like not going to bed and catching an Iceberg Tech video on release. Good morning good sir 🫡
06:00 Assassin's Creed Origins has a bug on AMD drivers for some 1-2 year now, game is basically running at ~50-60% speed for some reason on at least RDNA1. If you use DXVK on it, even if the game was showing as 100% GPU load before, its performance will almost double on AMD GPUs.
That answers my question, thanks!
@@IcebergTechReinstalled Origins to test it on 7900 XTX on Windows. DXVK was 23% faster than DX11 on Adrenalin 24.7.1. I'd expect DXVK on Linux to be even faster.
The 3600X and 5700XT rig I built right before release of the RTX3000 series and the Great Covid GPU Drought still remains one of the best investments in PC hardware I ever made.
I love the retro technology content i wish this channel reach 100 k very soon
Retro?
Even as hateful as the drivers are, i still want a Radeon VII, as it is presently the last gpu with hbm memory.
Then crypto bros basically ensured nobody was allowed to have any of them. And summarily destroying every last one.
that's really sad too, especially for historic value.
Crypto mining doesn't destroy a card. It can actually be better treated in the hands of a miner than in the hands of a gamer Since miners tend to underclock the cards and run them 24-7, so there's less Contracting and expanding when the card turns on and off like with a normal user
@@TruthDoesNotExist CRYPTO MINING DOES kill gpu's. What planet are you from to even INSINUATE that is beyond me.
By ALL MEANS, go watch www.youtube.com/@northwestrepair sir has _several_ videos of crypto mined GPU's that grenaded themselves under the demand. The average crypto bro does not give a damn about the health of their GPU. They buy them up by the pallet, they mine to within a millimeter of electronic death, and then turn around and sell them at a profit, as if they are doing the gamers a favor. It's insulting, it is disgusting.
And the sad thing is, even the most common successful repairs are of cards with GDDR5X or 6/x. *NOBODY* has successfully repaired a dead HBM card. So, DO NOT. EVEN. GO THERE. CAPISCHE?
@@TruthDoesNotExist Bro, all mining cards looks beating to hell and back.
@@1986Hikaru That's simply because most mining rigs are kept uncovered and without a chassis so the hardware in there is more susceptible to physical wear and tear on the outside lotta dust and all
Radeon VII was a stunt to just have something come out in that time period. Shame it was a pretty card.
I have 2 radeon VII no regrets. They look so good next to each other in a system
@@drakechapman7476 i am curious if they suffer the same reliability issues due to the HBM memory used as with the Vega cards. for the Vega 56/64 they are all essentially ticking time bombs due to a flaw in the interposer used to facilitate the HBM memory
It was great for workstation. It was literally a workstation card but marketed toward gamers.
I got one used, mined etherium in my dorm room bc free electricity, made all my money back and then sold the card right before eth crashed through the floor. I'll forever love this thing lol
@@StiggyAzalea based lol. i did the same with a number of cards. started with an i5 4570 and a 2060 and ended the shortages with a 3070 ti, 5800x, and 64GB of ram and never had to spend a penny out of pocket
Considering at the time RTX2080ti cards tended to cost £1200 and RX5700XTs could be had for £350 the RX5700XT was a bargain beast. Now, though, I'm thinking of upgrading my 2060S with a 2080ti to use as a 1080P monster card. At that resolution it'll play anything you throw at it, even Alan Wake 2, like a champ. Older stuff I would be able to just set an internal DSR resolution to 4K to crisp up the image a bit.
I don't think RTX 2080 ti plays Alan Wake 2 well.
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1080P60FPS high settings I reckon. That'll be ATM the hardest game to run.
I really don't think the 2080ti makes any sense to get now. If you get a crazy good deal then maybe, but plenty of last gen amd or nvidia products can beat it out for the price. The 2080ti really didn't age terribly well and was never a popular enough card to drop super low on the used market.
@@Freakmaster480Lack of popularity tends to drop the prices, not increase them. In my country it costs roughly like 6700XT and 3060ti and while I’d go with 6700XT, I wouldn’t mind 2080ti if I used Windows and cared for RT and CUDA.
@@zextakamania2086 The 1080ti was incredibly popular at launch so it sold a ton and there are tons of them selling used. Since the used market is so large they tended to stay relatively affordable on the used market. The 2080ti was never a super popular card at launch and never sold a ton, this means the used market for them is relatively small in comparison and their price used is higher than could be expected for something that was more common new. Used 2080tis aren't super expensive, but they aren't as cheap as they would have been if more people purchased that generation.
5700XT was my saviour, what with it releasing just before the 2020 GPU crash. Still use it to this day, powers through every task I throw at it. (It's easier to ignore how much it's been surpassed when you never upgraded your 1080p monitors).
Should have used the latest drivers for both cards too, especially the RX 5700 XT, major differences since release
Big mistake
Whole point is to measure performance at the time mate
@@Mooskislide ah yes, seeing how 2021 games performed in 2019.
A+ logic
He was always using period correct drivers
@@BaconEater666 that isn't an argument against using latest drivers to test current games, or even to go back and test all previous games on current drivers
Otherwise, what's even the point of the video? Everybody already knows the 2080ti was and still is faster than the 5700xt. It's a comparison between a $1000 GPU and a $400 GPU.
What's the next video, comparing a 4060ti against a 4080 super? Why not, they're $400 and $1000, respectively.
"books? am i saying that right?" this is why i watch this channel. thanks for making me smile today, i needed it.
Also love that sudden slide to GTX 1080 Ti, the Original True Goat
I love the retro gpu content. Great job!
Think you need to look up what retro means.
@@WGK90Yeah, I'm still coming to terms with people calling 5th gen retro. Hell, many are calling 6th gen the same! PS2 retro? Soon we'll have retro HD gaming.
I wouldn’t even call an HD 7870 retro, let alone RDNA1 and Turing lol
I wouldn’t even call an HD 7870 retro, let alone RDNA1 and Turing lol
@@zextakamania2086 Retro would be like 30 years ago.
I snagged a 5700XT (MSI Armor?) from my friend who said it "crashed" all the time. After taking off the heatsink, it was apparent that either MSI or someone else handled this card so poorly, that the thermal pads were not installed on the VRAM in the right spot.
After fixing that, I ran the card into the ground. After two applications of Kryonaut, the hotspot on the card still hit over 90C, and it ended up artifacting almost 2 years into it's purchase date.
Bought a 3070Ti Refurbished from MicroCenter and have never had to even work the fan speed. Love it to death for the 300USD I paid for it.
TLDR The 5700XT was KNOWN to have absolute trash models. If you didn't get a mangled card from the factory, it was great. But in my experience it was about 3 out of every 10 5700XTs I ended up repairing were from terrible heatsink design.
that's the armor experience lmfaow
So it’s the card maker not the gpu that’s the problem?
@@robertt9342 yeah, that's what he meant. The GPU itself can definitely pull its weight, but some OEMs can hold it back due to problems he mentioned.
3070ti does suck power like no tomorrow tho :D
@@EtaCarinaeSC That it does. But when you consider the 5700XT regularly pulled 225 watts, the 250-275 my 3070Ti draws really isn’t that terrible to me. I am also an American who doesn’t have to worry much about energy cost too!
Just escaped intel hd 530 recently to a quadro p620 and i having a blast. Can't imagine the power of these beasts!!
oh man i hope you get a huge upgrade cause it's awesome
Depending on where you are, RX 5700 XTs are pretty affordable as far as GPUs go. Though this isn't the case for everywhere.
I looted a p620 out of a dell precision i got from one of my dads bids, its a nifty little card. a lil annoying with the mini displayport adapters, but its nifty for what it is.
You gave me a slightly worried flashback. I had to go look at the specs on the P620 and was able to breathe a sigh of relief.
I bought a Quadro P400 on eBay during the GPU shortage when I needed a 2nd GPU to tinker with (GPU transcoding IIRC) and was surprised to find out that the P400 underperformed the iGPU from a Ryzen 2400G paired with DDR4-2667. I wouldn't have guessed it was possible for a Pascal generation dGPU with a dedicated framebuffer could be slower than an iGPU.
Thankfully, at least on paper, the P620 looks like it's about 2x as fast as a P400.
Enjoy! Sometimes simply getting to play games is enough and you don't need to have all the eye candy to have a lot of fun.
I'm from Kenya (africa) any card with the label "gaming" is overpriced. For reference a gt 730 retails for 150 USD! I got my quadro 2nd hand for 30 USD because it is not a "gaming" card.
I am a proud owner of a Sapphire 5700 XT Nitro+ since christmas of 2019 and these days with FSR it still bangs the newest games, now i'm waiting for RDNA 4
2080 ti Actually wasnt a terrible value compared to what we have these days, run one to this day and it is still very viable.
at which price??? it was supposed to be $899, but Moores law is dead showed they Nvidia lied & put it at $1,199 instead on their website.
@@kevinerbs2778 yes for the founders edition
What a great work you put there ! Looking forward to your next video and whishing you a very nice holidays !
Cheers 😄
8:00 Testing TWH 2 in a battle with 4 units is like testing Crysis, when looking in the menu. Running a battle with 40 units in a forest map will tank that frame rate by at least half of what you are showing in those graphs.
Still rocking my 5700xt, nothing else has come out that has really made me feel like switching. Hopefully that changes soon...
I really think we're past the days of regular shakeups in the midrange of gpus. It feels like only the high end will see the bigs jumps and any lower segment will see repeated moderate increases until some needed feature phases out current products and forces and upgrade.
Gpus right now really kind of feel like the years of 14+++ nm cpus to me.
I’ll always have a soft spot for Turing cards seeing as the first GPU I ever bought was a 2070 super, and it happily powered me through 1440p gaming for quite a while! Helps that mine could OC like an absolute champ too 😂
Silicon lottery brrrrrr
Both are priced greatly in the UK. I am seeing the 5700 XT for around 130-150 and the 2080 Ti for around 250-300
Both are overpriced at those prices
@@VoldoronGaming no they are not 😂 are you on drugs cause no way you'll find better deals than this. If you think these are overpriced than I'm afraid to say that all GPUs are overpriced
@@VoldoronGaming or just say your broke and can't afford them because 99% of people will say these are great prices
@@KamilWyszynski-y3p they're horrible prices.
@@1986Hikaru everyone in the comments would disagree with you so zip it
Fun fact: the RX 5700xt can do software raytracing on Linux
What level of ray tracing? What resolution? What graphic quality? How many fps?
so can the vega 64, it's better than you'd expect
@@swuspicious Correct, the oldest architectures that support it are Polaris and Vega
@@KingVulpes i used a vega 56 to play portal rtx, delightful experience really
Another general tip for RDNA1:
DXNAVI (official since 23.7.2 on RDNA1) boosted DX11 (and DX10) performance A LOT on 5700 XT. So if a game is generally CPU bound, like most Unreal Engine 4 games, absolutely use DX12 for best performance.
However if a game is generally GPU bound, like Control or Metro Exodus and it has a DX11 option, usually you'll see some ~10 fps more on DX11 than on DX12.
Also ReBar increases VRAM usage exponentially and usually performance degrades. Best case scenario, boosts fps by 3-5 fps in very, very few titles. Not worth it given it mostly degrades performance across most other games.
I've since upgraded to a 7800 XT, but I adore my 5700 XT to this day, and made sure to get the Red Devil model for the 78 as a nod to the 57. That thing is an absolute trooper for its weight class. The only games I play that it would even break a sweat running at 4K were Genshin Impact and Elden Ring, while it ran everything else I care about without issue at 60+ with a mix of settings and resolutions. It's like a reliable friend; When my other GPU I'd previously upgraded to (a used 3080 Ti prior to the 7800 XT) crapped out on me out of the blue, I popped the 5700 XT out of my Hackintosh, and it had my back until I could get a new card. It's a beautiful card that I plan on putting in a display case when it finally dies.
5700xt was the first gpu i ever bought. Still working just fine in another build since i upgraded to a 7800xt. Legendary gpu as far as amd goes.
Got a RX 5700XT a year ago for my 2nd PC for £100 from a guy in Buxton. Many thanks guy from Buxton! Also, now do a video with the latest drivers, the RX 5700XT aged like a bottle of fine scotch
Surpirsed nobody has told you this but this series has a similar feel to that 290X vs 780ti "there are no relative performance GPU's" video you made with "Hardware Lab" a while ago. Which was the video I found your channel through as well.
Still have the rx 5700 xt 50th anniversary edition running in my girlfriend's PC as she only plays indie games and competitive titles, it will always have a special place in my heart as my 1st proper GPU. I'm personally still running the EVGA 2080 ti ftw3 in my personal rig and still running strong with a 1440p monitor!
I think for the greatest GPU OF ALL TIME you should consider this ones as candidates:
RX 580 8Gb, RTX 2080 super, GTX 1060 6Gb, RTX 3060 12Gb, RX 6650 XT, R9 390x 8Gb.
my 1080ti is already 7 years and still goin strong.. truly da GOAT....
AMD made the right call sticking to midrange to catch their breath. No one expected rdna 2 to hit back so heavily and hard.
Still rocking a water cooled 2080ti. I felt bad paying for it as much as i did but it turned out to be an alright deal. $1000 for the card + a 144hz 1440p IPS monitor at the start of 2020.
HI Iceberg, thanks for the reason to procrastinate at work.
I had a 5700XT at the start of the pandemic when I couldn't get a RTX 3080. Then at the end of 2021, I was able to sell it to a crypto miner for $1K and used the money get the 3080FE regular price. Took a bit of patience but a free upgrade in the end considering I sold it for more than I paid for the 3080. That said, the 5700XT was very impressive at even 1440P in my games. The 3080 is still slapping ass now in my rig paired with a 5700X3D. Great video!
Y si gracioso la 3080 es una gama alta .
I did the exact same thing! I got the evga 3080 ftw3, it wasn’t a free upgrade, but I only ended up paying $100 CAD for it. I have it paired with a 5800X3D.
@@andrewmacfayden1671 That's awesome! Even though we don't have the highest end systems, we are still pretty good for 1080/1440P for a few years I'd say. Though, I'll consider the 5080 if it's about 4090 performance or more for $999 USD max.
Not sure what you mean by the 5700 XT not competing with the 1080 Ti at the beginning. When it was launched the 1080 Ti was about 10% faster and ever since 2 years ago they perform the same with the 1080 Ti having an advantage in games that use more than 8GB and the 5700 XT having an advantage in power efficiency.
RDNA 4 vs Blackwell is gonna be the same situation as RDNA 1 vs Turing .
Nice a video to listen before sleeping
Lol, that conclusion was awesome and honestly pretty accurate! :D
My backup ITX PC is running a used 2080Ti amd i gotta say it's still great for most things since all it's driving is a portable 1080p/144hz monitor
now these are the gpu's I would consider buying second hand. nice video!
I still have the RX 5700 XT...it turns out that double the performance of it is not worth it for $480.
I'll wait until the top RDNA4 if it has the raster of a RX 7900 XTX...or a RTX 5070.
I have a 7900xtx and love it first AMD card plus the sapphire nitro+ looks so good I plan on keeping it 5 years hopefully
@@worldwar208 Nice!
@@takehirolol5962 yeah hoping rdna4 is around the same performance for a cheaper price when my friend is going to upgrade from a 1070ti soon and I told him to wait. I think within the next year or two amd will start doing AI upscaling and the rdna 3 cards have AI accelerators in them.
@@worldwar208 Yeah, my situation is the same.
When RDNA 4 comes out, you might be able to purchase the last generation rx 7900 xtx. It might actually be faster in rasterization than any RDNA 4 graphics card.
As a long time ATI and AMD graphics card buyer, I was going to purchase the 5700xt for my new computer build in 2019 but opted for my first ever Nvidia card, the 2060 Super as the drivers for the 5700xt still had issues 6 months after release 😢.
I can't wait for Iceberg to test the RTX 4090 in 2 weeks
RX 5700 XT was on the toe-to-toe fight vs RTX 2070 and won; the super of the card came later and was roughly on par with the 5700 cards. This comparison is just....well, totally a pro for Team Green.
It would be really valuable info to put the settings next to the resolution!
That "metaphor" in the beginning was hillarious
Wishing you a safe and enjoyable summer break Mr.Iceberg Tech.🏊
Thank you sir 😎
I'm still using rtx 2070 with i9 12900k. I'm still fine with my card as I don't buy new game
Why the overkill CPU then?
@@toseltreps1101 was using i7 8700 non k but found really good deal on i9 combo with ddr5 so I had buy it.
@@toseltreps1101 maybe a great deal, gift, or use for cpu intensive tasks like video rendering, etc...
Great video! The 5700XT was LEGENDARY!
As an emphatically justified Gearbox hater, I appreciated that BL3 benchmark.
i like the vid, I just don't understand why you wouldn't test with modern drivers?
I'm secretly hoping for a 8800 GTX video
i bought the 5700 XT msi mech OC at launch for $430ish and it held up during the pandemic till now running at 1440p. Just recently replaced it for the 4070 ti super. I salute the 5700 XT for its hard work.
genuinely love the 2080ti , but its so hard to find used versions of them in my country.
I run two RTX 2080 ti's in S.L.I with an AM4 Ryzen 7 5800x 3D.
I need more clock speed.
I hope you are not doing it for gaming coz SLI is pointless... Probably rtx4070 is way better than them with ~200 power draw.
Pff even rtx4060ti 16gb should be probably better.
@@zbigniew2628 how do you like your overpriced mid-range card costing $500?
Why do you think I need 4070 when you have no idea what games I buy or play?
@@kevinerbs2778 I do not like it, coz I do not have it :P I buy only used ones.
I stated only facts, SLI is pointless since ages.
RTX4060ti 16gb does not have point for gaming, but still better than this SLI of power monstes.8GB should be enough, but then you would complain about less VRAM.
In fact even a basic rtx4060 is going to be better than this SLI from time to time (Phatom Liberty DLC with RT)....
@@zbigniew2628 again who says im playing that game?
No the 4060 ti 16 Gb is not faster than a rtx 2080 ti espeically at 4k. Not without d.l.s.s. and frame genration.
@@kevinerbs2778 Sorry mate, but in tests, even 8gb version is better, without these features, most of the time, if not every time, unless vram issue.
CP2077 was only an example to show edge case, where even basic rtx4060 without ti is better than this useless SLI.
Do a comparison about 2080TI vs 3060 12GB latest drivers and latest games.
i like the new channel logo
Goat video
Still waiting on a Titan RTX review 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
Still rocking my 2080ti but it's starting to show its age with newer AAA's. With Intel's issues and the 9000 series AM5 coming in kind of mid lately I don't know when my next PC build will be
"This isn't the worst the worst thing to happen to borderlands lately" ouch
Remember when people were saying the 5700XT would age poorly compared to the Nvidia counterpart because it didn't support hw RT and DirectStorage? Good times.
the problem this this series is that when I think of goat card I don't always thing of top tier one of my goats is the r9 380 4gb, rx 580 and gtx 1060 6gb
The 5700XT was an RTX 2070 competitor and it trades blows with the GTX 1080Ti in most games now. The RTX 2080Ti was much more expensive, twice the price, and AMD had nothing to compete with it. I don't know how you managed to have the 5700XT perform worse than Vega 64 though, it was always at minimum 10% faster. The RDR2 1% lows are a bit surprising as well, they shouldn't be this low with Vulkan and SAM/ReBar enabled (it makes a huge difference in this game).
I actually think this was overall AMDs greatest gpu at launch. It was priced perfectly. Undercut nvidia. Had great price to performance. It was my first gpu ever for my first build. I will always treasure it.
I wish you included 2070/2070super/2060super to see how 5700xt's real competition does
i had a 2080ti as my first ever gaming GPU in 2019 when i graduated high school and started working i saved up 3k for my first Custom PC ever, it was a Beast in Games, and later in 2021 i got a 3090 to replace the 2080ti in the same system and then sold it to update and build a new system in 2023 using the 3090 and now in 2024 got a 4090
Hinestly you dont need to upgrade every gen
2 to 3 gens is nice
However its your money man
I really wanted to get an XFX THICC III RX 5700 XT but seeing the initial performance of Alan Wake II on it made me spend a bit more and choose an XFX RX 6650 XT instead.
5700XT is the perfect single monitor e-sports gaming cafe card, more so given how their prices bombed on the used market. But what a PoS. The QoL for multimonitor productivity setups dropped off a cliff with the RDNA series cards, even to this day; so I just went back to Nvidia. Loved my Vega 64 and it's HBM made it the most efficient 2d workload card I've ever owned, but new Radeon just doesnt seem to care about anything much beyond having the highest FPS in the latest CoD.
I'm just here for the intros
I got my 2080ti due to future featureset in 2019 for 700$ sale. Its been a champ. I buy next whoever comes out with dx13!
10:20 Chapter should be called "Then Gen Games (2019)"
Iceberg Tech : in 2018 Nvidias launch RTX title Battlefield V was showing how advanced the RDNA 1 was because the RX 5700 XT 8GB beat the RTX 2080 Super 8GB which is ironic to say the least....but that tilebased cue rendering algorithm in the RDNA 1 proved to be very very advanced.
You should have compared the 2080 Ti in that game to the RX 5700 XT....so that we could see how small the gaps is.
my 2080ti aged like milk slower than my 1080ti and a770 oc so i sold it got a 79 xtx 2wks ago couldnt be happier
I'm currently using 5700xt. I bought it a few months ago 120 dollars in Türkiye. It's enough to play warzone, cs2 and rdr2 in 1080p.
The British brain couldn't comprehend bucks, but smackaroos? No problem! Much love from the US bud!
I had both cards, 2080ti in my main desktop, and a 5700 (that you could flash to a near 5700xt) that I used in a secondary media center pc. The series wasn't bad, but it's like AMD just gave up and didn't want to try to compete with nvidia. Also the card wasn't 1000 bucks, it was 1200.
Cannot wait for 2020
How do they compared in power consumption? If there is a large difference it should matter in the cost per frame.
Lets gooo this one's gonna be good.
Oh no the Borderlands movie reference 😭
Can u try using dxvk (dx8-11 to vulkan) when there is a gpu you test that is known to favor vulkan?
I always look for value/performance. I bought red devil 5700xt almost two years ago around 150$. Can't complain. I had RX470 nitro+ 4gb mining edition before that works still and give it to my cousin. He have a free upgrade over rx 560 4gb. 5700xt still rocks FHD.
Aren't you missing a card? The RTX Titan?
Comparing the 5700 to the 2080Ti should be a crime
i still have rtx2080 super, and im happy with this gpu, i have 1080p monitor, and this gpu can still push games, cpu is r5 5600 with ddr4 3400MHz 32gb ram, perfect.
I'll admit, I sold my original 5700xt to miner for 3x what I payed for it.. Probably should've done the same with my 2080 when they were going for ~$1400 but I still have that card in my second machine. Eventually reconnected with a 5700xt for $100 that's now in a machine I built for a friend so we can game together.
5700xt goes down in history as one of those legendary GPUs, like the 1080ti
The 2080ti will never be that.
The 2080ti isn't a legend in the same way. It was the last GPU to support SLI, first to introduce RTX, DLSS, and a few other tech. It was truly a marvel of technology.
i think it is unnecessary to test with period appropriate drivers as it doesn't represent accurate performance for the cards nowadays
The 2080ti was a bit of a monster. It had a die size of 754 mm². Unfortunately the 250w Nvidia allowed it was far too low for it to really stretch its legs. With an increased power limit they could provide significantly more performance. Of course when it came to the 30 series, Nvidia increased the power limits significantly
Im your honest opinion iceburg tech whats faster rx 5700xt or gtx 1080 ti as both gpus can be had for a similar price now thanks? In the uk i nought a 5700 xt for £60 but sold it to cex as was overheating but bought another one for £80 were as i have a gtx 1080 ti to pick up for £110 which do u think is better thanks
Used $200 2080ti might be a GOAT.
There's no question that both the RX 5700 and RX 5700 XT were the best GPUs of that generation. Sure, they couldn't do ray-tracing but RT is still irrelevant for the most part even today. The RX 5700 XT cost the same as an RTX 2060 but performed like an RTX 2070. I personally know how great this card is because I still own an XFX THICC-III version of it.
The first card I bought was an XFX Triple-Dissipation (because I don't see the point in paying more for the "top-level" version of ANY card) and there were hardware issues with it. It caused power-off resets (something that drivers can't do) and so I RMA'd the card. To their credit, XFX replaced it with a THICC-III (the high-end model) and I noticed that instead of an 8+6-pin connector, it had the full 8+8. My guess is that the 8+6 wasn't enough.
I knew for sure that it wasn't drivers because when I popped out my first RX 5700 XT to send to XFX for RMA, I popped in my old Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro without re-installing the drivers and all instability immediately ceased. Again, without changing the drivers, I popped in the replacement 5700 XT and everything was fine.
All of the people whining about drivers just didn't know what they were doing. That's why no reviewers were able to duplicate the problems that people were claiming. Either they had a hardware problem like I did or they don't know the proper way to install a new video card (especially when changing brands). It's not as simple as a lot of people think, this is high-end tech after all and while it's not rocket science, it's also not playing with lego.
The only time I had issues with drivers was on a rx580 around 2020, if I overclocked it too much and it crashed it would screw the drivers and I'd have to reinstall them lol, I still have the GPU and it doesn't happen anymore on the newest drivers
I'm currently rocking a 5700xt and I can play anything I like work no issues
the only downside is I bought a cheap model so it sounds close to a PS4 let engine but an undervolt helped mitigating it
Just picked up a 2080ti for $250. A lot of bang for the buck.
2070 or 2070S with DLSS was the obvious comparison here. And the 5700xt with FSR loses HARD.
Woahhhh insane timing dude I JUST bought a 5700XT for a 1080p machine, needed a blower style card and they pop up on UK ebay silly cheap often, like sub £100 for the standard cooler. 1080Ti's go for over £150 now (thanks Steve).
At the time if you wanted a new GPU to max out 1080p this was the only option, glad they stuck with "mid range" for this gen, then knocked it out of the park with 6000 series while nVidia was being INSANE with 3000 series built exclusivly for rich oil barrons.
But I still wouldn't get the 5700XT as the RTX 2080 Ti's higher VRAM and feature-sets make the latter able to last a lot longer. So if you had bought the 2080 Ti, you'll get what you've paid for.