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I used to forget about this episode a lot initially but the look on Kate's face at the end alone makes this one of the most unforgettable, special moments. Thanks for flashing back to the other two groups' reactions, it was well deserved. 👍😉
Yeah, bro, I think, your editing improved significantly recently, too. I've noticed. For some reason, the on my phone doesn't let me type direct replies. I just hope you'll read this eventually. 😅 Just one thing I also noticed: Your English subtitles still always say "IN the Island" when it's supposed to be "ON the Island". 😅
- In the Ana Lucia flashback, they've shown the aunt from mostly far away but there were very brief close shots and it's visible she's really the same actress. Of course, it's very hard to recognize her until they reveal the connection because we've only very briefly seen her face and it's quite possible to totally miss it. - Claire was driving the car during the accident. It's Australia, the steering wheel is on the right side. So, she's not lying about driving the car to the police. - Summary about lists so far: Mikhail says Kate (and the other 815 survivors there) aren't on the list because they're flawed. Firstly, according to him Kate is NOT on the list. Kate was on Michael's list, so it can't be that list. It should be another list that doesn't indlude Kate. Goodwin told Ana Lucia; Nathan (and also Ana Lucia, Eko, Bernard, Cindy, Libby) weren't on the list they've found in the pocket of one of the kidnappers (one of the others) she killed. because they're NOT good people. Although, being "flawed" and being "not good" is not the same, that seems parallel, and we don't really know the "values" of the others, so it can be same list with that. I mean not exactly the same list they've found in the pockets as it only included 9 tail survivors but it can be a part of the same list. The others could have just made a shorter list that only include the tail survivors in the main "flawed people list" as they're going with a mission to kidnap from the tailies camp. We've also heard about "Jacob's list" which Danny said doesn't include Jack's name. We don't know any other detail about this list but It can be the same with the possible flawed people list. So: A) Michael's list. A totally separate list from the following, it's just for Michael's mission. [Only includes Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Jack and that's it] B) The possible "flawed" people list Mikhail mentions. [Doesn't include Kate, Locke, Sayid] C) The "not good" tail survivors list Goodwin mentions, which is likely to be a small part of list B to include only tail survivors. [Doesn't include Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, Bernard, Cindy. Includes 9 tail survivors we don't know.] D) Jacob's list Danny mentioned. It can be the same with list B but it can also be sepearate. [Doesn't include Jack.] *Possible lies and mis-informations about the contents of the list is ignored in the summary. For example, Danny could be wrong about Jack not being in the list if someone misinformed him.
Good summary, thanks! It's really hard to have a precise opinion about that. I mean, not only do we have the fact that those are all contradictory information, which you've just proven by showing that it can't be all the same list, but also the simple fact that Ben could be manipulating all that. I mean, all the info we have about lists comes from one of the Others, and they're all in the service of Benjamin.
The phrase 'Par Avion' is most commonly known (in English-speaking countries) to mean 'By Air Mail'. 'Par Avion' stickers are applied to letters/parcels to indicate that they will be sent abroad on aeroplanes (and this title makes sense in terms of the bird, as it carries an 'air mail' letter away with it). We can actually see Claire's aunt pretty well during Ana Lucia's flashback (even though we don't yet know who she is at that point). Loved the inclusion of the previous crews' reactions to the reveal 😍 On the subject of whether or not Locke blew up The Flame on purpose, it entirely depends on what was said in the video after he entered 77 (which we didn't see). If he entered 77 and was then instructed to exit the building because it would explode in a specified amount of time, then the damage was already done and was NOT on purpose. But if he was given a 'are you sure you really want to do this?' warning of what would happen if he chose to enter '77' a SECOND time (in order to confirm the action), then he DID do it on purpose. We, the audience, will never be sure either way because we didn't see the entire video. However, it does seem less likely that the code would need to be entered twice to activate it...simply because if hostiles had invaded, time would be of the essence...this would point to Locke NOT deliberately blowing up The Flame. And Locke could have easily had a very quick look round and found/grabbed some C-4 once he knew it existed (because he'd discovered that the station was about to explode). So the fact that he has C-4 in his backpack isn't any kind of proof that he did it on purpose, imo. I'm sure he wasn't at all sorry that The Flame exploded, but it may have just been a happy accident for him.
I always thought that way... but now I'm more inclined to think that he had the option and chose to do it. Not only it fits the chatacter, but it makes both the lying to Sayid ajd the C4 in his backpack more believable. The way he looked during the explosion seemed sincere, though 🤔
@@reatores Yes his expression when it exploded does seem genuine. I'm still on the fence, as I really do believe in 'proving beyond reasonable doubt'. I'd love this situation to be a real life court case and to see the outcome of it 😁
Esse final é um dos mais memoráveis da série. O povo todo preocupado com o Jack sofrendo na mão dos Outros e ele lá vivendo a melhor vida, nas casinhas, jogando bola com o Tom no jardim 😂 Sempre fiquei p da vida com terem matado o Mikhail tão cedo, já nesse episódio. O Sayid dos caras merecia mais, acho que podia ter rendido nesse papel de um antagonista mais violento abaixo do Ben, um verdadeiro soldado dos outros Eu tive a impressão vendo esse episódio na época que o Locke matou o Mikhail pq o Mikhail disse que conhecia ele e tinha alguma coisa ai. Daí eu passei a acreditar que foi consciente a explosão da cabana
SPOILER (por segurança) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Eu não lembro de onde ele conhece o Locke e devo ter visto Lost um milhão de vezes, de 2004 pra cá kkkkk
There's definitely a list. It's been mentioned before. One of the others said something about Jack, he's not even on Jacobs list. So the series has shown us that on screen. If you listen closely, Mikhail, when talking about Locke, the word he started to say was 'para-', then he's interrupted. So what all starts with para-, paramedic, parachute, paranormal, or maybe just the obvious - paralyzed? Oh yeah, Locke completely meant to destroy the flame. He doesn't want anyone to leave, remember, he's said that they are all there for a purpose. If he thinks that is true, then they have to remain there until the purpose is revealed. At least in his mind. So some people want to leave, and some don't. I agree with that, but in all the flashbacks we've seen, hasn't everybody had problems before the island? Sure seems like it. Makes ya wonder what everybody is so eager to get back to.
What makes me lean towards John exploding the Flame is the fact that he brought the C4 with him. Sayid being sarcastic and suspicious also makes me wonder.
Tem uma coisa que dá pra falar já que é dito na série, mas a legenda deixou escapar. Quando o Mikhail tá falando que conhece eles, ele fala "because the John Locke I know was para..." e é interrompido pela Rousseau. Então o que ele ia revelar sobre o Locke é realmente que ele era paraplegico. Sobre a explosão da Flame, acredito firmemente que o Locke explodiu de propósito.
Pessoas que sabem que o Locke era paralítico e está andando na ilha: Boone - Locke contou pro Boone quando achou o avião. Walt - Locke no começo da série falou para Walt um segredo dele, acredito que seja tudo o que aconteceu com ele. Rose - Ela viu o Locke antes numa cadeira de rodas. Jack - Em algum episódio da segunda temporada, ele fala para o Jack sobre a sua situação, o Jack minimiza e tenta dar um toque de "ciência" na aquilo tudo.
I've always found it disappointing that Kate, Sayid, Locke, and Rousseau, despite already proving themselves far from stupid, didn't think to create a way to get through the barrier in the opposite direction. They took a long time to place that tree to get in, and if they free Jack, I don't think the Others would let them take that long to place another tree to get out. Personally, I would have done it before heading to the barracks, to save time in case of a hasty escape.😊
We knew from Sayid and Hurley that beach picnics are a huge death flag, Desmond watched the first seasons and decided to save Charlie! Without Jack, the main group has an interesting dynamic. Sayid is the rational one, and for once, those words coming from him are seen as the "right" point of view. But Sayid lacks in leadership, Kate is taking that role. And Locke.. keeps doing what he usually does: throwing people against dangerous things. In season 3 we see "the dark side" of Jack in the flashbacks, and now the show suggests he's accepting the Others. The more I think about it, the more I see this as an attempt to divert attention from what John is doing
And I think the show achieves that successfully... well, at least for people like me, who ain't exactly good at guessing things. This is the 1st time in 20 years that I see the possibility of John blowing up the Flame on purpose.
I think Locke blew up the Flame Station on purpose for reasons I won't be talking openly for now but his Season 3 and 4 arks are clear I guess. He believes in something and he wants to prevent something.
Tenho certeza disso também. Talvez um SPOILER * * * * * * * * Sim, Locke está pronto para muita coisa para não deixar esta ilha. A propósito, acho que Saeed ainda se lembra de como Locke bateu na cabeça dele no início da primeira temporada, quando Saeed estava tentando estabelecer uma conexão de rádio com o mundo exterior.
SPOILERS * * * * * Parece que depois que Mikhail falhou em atirar em si mesmo no episódio anterior, e aqui parece que Mikhail apenas enganou a todos, Parece que ele queria que Locke o empurrasse para aquela cerca. Mikhail pode ser visto parado no meio dos pilares e agradecendo a eles. Mas no final, parece que Mikhail mudou de ideia sobre morrer e pulou para trás
Agora que já vimos o episódio 18, podemos dizer que Mikhail fingiu sua morte, ou então desmaiou. Inclusive, nessa cena podemos ver a barriga dele se mexendo, por causa da respiração!
Esse ep inteiro é legal e como todos da Claire tem algum plot de pirar a cabeça o fato de ela ser irmã do Jack foi de explodir cabeça. Mas esse final com o Jack e Tom mano lembro de chegar no outro dia sacudindo meu amigo que via e falando perdemos o Jack ele é um dos outros. Eu acho que o Christian nao sabia que a Claire estava gravida e sim queria criar algum laço com ela por ter perdido todos com o Jack. Passo muito pano pro Locke só que um detalhe é Locke quer ser caçador mas ele é fazendeiro kkkkk. Ele pode falar que nao vai ser manipulado mas sempre acho que ele é manipulado. Acho que tem muita gente que esta preferindo viver deboa na ilha do que ter falsa esperança. Locke explodiu a estação de proposito com toda a certeza e digo mais acredito que quando ativou a explosão deve ter falado no pc que ia acontecer para ter um timer para ele sair e tals. (mas passo pano).
Kkkkkk eu sou muito inocente mesmo... nunca tinha nem pensado nessa possibilidade de ter sido de propósito. Esse final é bom demais! Ao mesmo tempo chocante, engraçado e deixa a gente ansioso mesmo.
Me lembrou a sensação de assistir um episódio, e ter uma semana inteira pra comentar com os amigos, criar teorias malucas, ficar olhando o frame a frame do episódio, esmiuçando as frases. só quem viveu sabe.
My issue with Locke was his constant lying, and the blind faith he has, which stems from his naivety I guess. He reminds me of many religious zealots who think they have all the answers. I never liked how he made decisions for other characters, to the point of getting violent, and his indifference when people die.
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One of the most underrated LOST episodes. Other episodes get all the shine but Par Avion is a gem!
Agreed 100%!
A reação do Kiel e da Lu é como se fosse uma própria cena do Lost. É parte canônica do Lost.
Sim hahahha! Eles se divertiram muito nessa cena!
I love how the music ends at the same time Jack throws the ball to the floor.
This editing is gold!!!
I used to forget about this episode a lot initially but the look on Kate's face at the end alone makes this one of the most unforgettable, special moments. Thanks for flashing back to the other two groups' reactions, it was well deserved. 👍😉
My pleasure!
That is indeed such a remarkable scene... classic!
Yeah, bro, I think, your editing improved significantly recently, too. I've noticed. For some reason, the on my phone doesn't let me type direct replies. I just hope you'll read this eventually. 😅
Just one thing I also noticed: Your English subtitles still always say "IN the Island" when it's supposed to be "ON the Island". 😅
Oh! Good to know about the editing! Thanks for sharing, and also for the correction! I'll be checking that =)
- In the Ana Lucia flashback, they've shown the aunt from mostly far away but there were very brief close shots and it's visible she's really the same actress. Of course, it's very hard to recognize her until they reveal the connection because we've only very briefly seen her face and it's quite possible to totally miss it.
- Claire was driving the car during the accident. It's Australia, the steering wheel is on the right side. So, she's not lying about driving the car to the police.
- Summary about lists so far: Mikhail says Kate (and the other 815 survivors there) aren't on the list because they're flawed. Firstly, according to him Kate is NOT on the list. Kate was on Michael's list, so it can't be that list. It should be another list that doesn't indlude Kate. Goodwin told Ana Lucia; Nathan (and also Ana Lucia, Eko, Bernard, Cindy, Libby) weren't on the list they've found in the pocket of one of the kidnappers (one of the others) she killed. because they're NOT good people. Although, being "flawed" and being "not good" is not the same, that seems parallel, and we don't really know the "values" of the others, so it can be same list with that. I mean not exactly the same list they've found in the pockets as it only included 9 tail survivors but it can be a part of the same list. The others could have just made a shorter list that only include the tail survivors in the main "flawed people list" as they're going with a mission to kidnap from the tailies camp. We've also heard about "Jacob's list" which Danny said doesn't include Jack's name. We don't know any other detail about this list but It can be the same with the possible flawed people list.
So:
A) Michael's list. A totally separate list from the following, it's just for Michael's mission. [Only includes Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Jack and that's it]
B) The possible "flawed" people list Mikhail mentions. [Doesn't include Kate, Locke, Sayid]
C) The "not good" tail survivors list Goodwin mentions, which is likely to be a small part of list B to include only tail survivors. [Doesn't include Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, Bernard, Cindy. Includes 9 tail survivors we don't know.]
D) Jacob's list Danny mentioned. It can be the same with list B but it can also be sepearate. [Doesn't include Jack.]
*Possible lies and mis-informations about the contents of the list is ignored in the summary. For example, Danny could be wrong about Jack not being in the list if someone misinformed him.
Good summary, thanks!
It's really hard to have a precise opinion about that. I mean, not only do we have the fact that those are all contradictory information, which you've just proven by showing that it can't be all the same list, but also the simple fact that Ben could be manipulating all that.
I mean, all the info we have about lists comes from one of the Others, and they're all in the service of Benjamin.
This little group is just too astute. No more previously on Lost for them….lol. Now we’re all going to be Lost until we’re not. ❤️🙏😊
No Previously allowed 😂
The phrase 'Par Avion' is most commonly known (in English-speaking countries) to mean 'By Air Mail'.
'Par Avion' stickers are applied to letters/parcels to indicate that they will be sent abroad on aeroplanes (and this title makes sense in terms of the bird, as it carries an 'air mail' letter away with it).
We can actually see Claire's aunt pretty well during Ana Lucia's flashback (even though we don't yet know who she is at that point).
Loved the inclusion of the previous crews' reactions to the reveal 😍
On the subject of whether or not Locke blew up The Flame on purpose, it entirely depends on what was said in the video after he entered 77 (which we didn't see).
If he entered 77 and was then instructed to exit the building because it would explode in a specified amount of time, then the damage was already done and was NOT on purpose.
But if he was given a 'are you sure you really want to do this?' warning of what would happen if he chose to enter '77' a SECOND time (in order to confirm the action), then he DID do it on purpose.
We, the audience, will never be sure either way because we didn't see the entire video.
However, it does seem less likely that the code would need to be entered twice to activate it...simply because if hostiles had invaded, time would be of the essence...this would point to Locke NOT deliberately blowing up The Flame.
And Locke could have easily had a very quick look round and found/grabbed some C-4 once he knew it existed (because he'd discovered that the station was about to explode). So the fact that he has C-4 in his backpack isn't any kind of proof that he did it on purpose, imo.
I'm sure he wasn't at all sorry that The Flame exploded, but it may have just been a happy accident for him.
I always thought that way... but now I'm more inclined to think that he had the option and chose to do it. Not only it fits the chatacter, but it makes both the lying to Sayid ajd the C4 in his backpack more believable.
The way he looked during the explosion seemed sincere, though 🤔
@@reatores Yes his expression when it exploded does seem genuine. I'm still on the fence, as I really do believe in 'proving beyond reasonable doubt'. I'd love this situation to be a real life court case and to see the outcome of it 😁
Esse final é um dos mais memoráveis da série. O povo todo preocupado com o Jack sofrendo na mão dos Outros e ele lá vivendo a melhor vida, nas casinhas, jogando bola com o Tom no jardim 😂
Sempre fiquei p da vida com terem matado o Mikhail tão cedo, já nesse episódio. O Sayid dos caras merecia mais, acho que podia ter rendido nesse papel de um antagonista mais violento abaixo do Ben, um verdadeiro soldado dos outros
Eu tive a impressão vendo esse episódio na época que o Locke matou o Mikhail pq o Mikhail disse que conhecia ele e tinha alguma coisa ai. Daí eu passei a acreditar que foi consciente a explosão da cabana
Cara, eu nunca tinha pensado nessa coisa do Locke explodir a Flame de propósito!
Kkkkkk esse final é bom demaaaaiss! Um clássico.
Muito bom rever os replays
Que bom que gostou!
Mikhail tinha uma certa lembrança do Lock hummmmm agora tudo faz sentido vendo novamente essa cena
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Eu não lembro de onde ele conhece o Locke e devo ter visto Lost um milhão de vezes, de 2004 pra cá kkkkk
@ranieresofia1 deixa quieto um dia te falo rsrs
Eu acho q é só pelos arquivos mesmo, mas... em Lost nunca se sabe né.
There's definitely a list. It's been mentioned before. One of the others said something about Jack, he's not even on Jacobs list. So the series has shown us that on screen.
If you listen closely, Mikhail, when talking about Locke, the word he started to say was 'para-', then he's interrupted. So what all starts with para-, paramedic, parachute, paranormal, or maybe just the obvious - paralyzed?
Oh yeah, Locke completely meant to destroy the flame. He doesn't want anyone to leave, remember, he's said that they are all there for a purpose. If he thinks that is true, then they have to remain there until the purpose is revealed. At least in his mind.
So some people want to leave, and some don't. I agree with that, but in all the flashbacks we've seen, hasn't everybody had problems before the island? Sure seems like it. Makes ya wonder what everybody is so eager to get back to.
What makes me lean towards John exploding the Flame is the fact that he brought the C4 with him. Sayid being sarcastic and suspicious also makes me wonder.
@@reatores ... Yeah, tell me he knew it was gonna blow without telling me he knew it was gonna blow, that's how to do it.
Tem uma coisa que dá pra falar já que é dito na série, mas a legenda deixou escapar. Quando o Mikhail tá falando que conhece eles, ele fala "because the John Locke I know was para..." e é interrompido pela Rousseau. Então o que ele ia revelar sobre o Locke é realmente que ele era paraplegico.
Sobre a explosão da Flame, acredito firmemente que o Locke explodiu de propósito.
Nunca nem pensei que poderia ser de propósito hahah, mas faz sentido.
Aaahh eu não tinha pego esse finzinho da frase do Mikhail!
Pessoas que sabem que o Locke era paralítico e está andando na ilha:
Boone - Locke contou pro Boone quando achou o avião.
Walt - Locke no começo da série falou para Walt um segredo dele, acredito que seja tudo o que aconteceu com ele.
Rose - Ela viu o Locke antes numa cadeira de rodas.
Jack - Em algum episódio da segunda temporada, ele fala para o Jack sobre a sua situação, o Jack minimiza e tenta dar um toque de "ciência" na aquilo tudo.
Essa do Jack eu não lembro exatamente as palavras. Mas não duvido que John gostaria muito que ele soubesse e acreditasse.
Acho que se corrêssemos tão depressa como o Jack, podíamos passar por aquela cerca sónica sem fazer mal. Mas não tenho a certeza. 😊
Hahahah!
I've always found it disappointing that Kate, Sayid, Locke, and Rousseau, despite already proving themselves far from stupid, didn't think to create a way to get through the barrier in the opposite direction. They took a long time to place that tree to get in, and if they free Jack, I don't think the Others would let them take that long to place another tree to get out. Personally, I would have done it before heading to the barracks, to save time in case of a hasty escape.😊
Excellent point.
That would be a good idea! Or even bringing one of the Others as hostage to turn the fence off... but that would involve risks, of course.
@@reatores Risky, yes, but I love the hostage idea!
We knew from Sayid and Hurley that beach picnics are a huge death flag, Desmond watched the first seasons and decided to save Charlie!
Without Jack, the main group has an interesting dynamic. Sayid is the rational one, and for once, those words coming from him are seen as the "right" point of view. But Sayid lacks in leadership, Kate is taking that role. And Locke.. keeps doing what he usually does: throwing people against dangerous things.
In season 3 we see "the dark side" of Jack in the flashbacks, and now the show suggests he's accepting the Others. The more I think about it, the more I see this as an attempt to divert attention from what John is doing
And I think the show achieves that successfully... well, at least for people like me, who ain't exactly good at guessing things. This is the 1st time in 20 years that I see the possibility of John blowing up the Flame on purpose.
I think Locke blew up the Flame Station on purpose for reasons I won't be talking openly for now but his Season 3 and 4 arks are clear I guess. He believes in something and he wants to prevent something.
The C4 in his backpack makes me really suspicious about it.
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Sim, Locke explodiu de propósito.
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Nunca tinha pensado isso haha! Mas faz sentido.
Tenho certeza disso também.
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Sim, Locke está pronto para muita coisa para não deixar esta ilha. A propósito, acho que Saeed ainda se lembra de como Locke bateu na cabeça dele no início da primeira temporada, quando Saeed estava tentando estabelecer uma conexão de rádio com o mundo exterior.
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Parece que depois que Mikhail falhou em atirar em si mesmo no episódio anterior, e aqui parece que Mikhail apenas enganou a todos, Parece que ele queria que Locke o empurrasse para aquela cerca. Mikhail pode ser visto parado no meio dos pilares e agradecendo a eles. Mas no final, parece que Mikhail mudou de ideia sobre morrer e pulou para trás
Agora que já vimos o episódio 18, podemos dizer que Mikhail fingiu sua morte, ou então desmaiou. Inclusive, nessa cena podemos ver a barriga dele se mexendo, por causa da respiração!
Esse ep inteiro é legal e como todos da Claire tem algum plot de pirar a cabeça o fato de ela ser irmã do Jack foi de explodir cabeça.
Mas esse final com o Jack e Tom mano lembro de chegar no outro dia sacudindo meu amigo que via e falando perdemos o Jack ele é um dos outros.
Eu acho que o Christian nao sabia que a Claire estava gravida e sim queria criar algum laço com ela por ter perdido todos com o Jack.
Passo muito pano pro Locke só que um detalhe é Locke quer ser caçador mas ele é fazendeiro kkkkk. Ele pode falar que nao vai ser manipulado mas sempre acho que ele é manipulado.
Acho que tem muita gente que esta preferindo viver deboa na ilha do que ter falsa esperança.
Locke explodiu a estação de proposito com toda a certeza e digo mais acredito que quando ativou a explosão deve ter falado no pc que ia acontecer para ter um timer para ele sair e tals. (mas passo pano).
Kkkkkk eu sou muito inocente mesmo... nunca tinha nem pensado nessa possibilidade de ter sido de propósito.
Esse final é bom demais! Ao mesmo tempo chocante, engraçado e deixa a gente ansioso mesmo.
Me lembrou a sensação de assistir um episódio, e ter uma semana inteira pra comentar com os amigos, criar teorias malucas, ficar olhando o frame a frame do episódio, esmiuçando as frases.
só quem viveu sabe.
My issue with Locke was his constant lying, and the blind faith he has, which stems from his naivety I guess. He reminds me of many religious zealots who think they have all the answers. I never liked how he made decisions for other characters, to the point of getting violent, and his indifference when people die.
That's how most non-Locke fans feel, and I think it's fair. One thing's for sure: being so divisive as he is, the writers nailed this character.