I remember being so confused when the Adventurer's Handbook stopped giving goals to follow. That was a nice accomplishment system because it actually gave more rewards than achievements and encouraged me to build my units.
I like handbook too, though feeling compelled to raise artifacts, especially in the early game when your artifact collection is probably not very ideal, doesn't feel amazing.
It’s literally SO EASY to just add a ton more levels that have very difficult but achievable goals with increasingly better rewards why can’t they just do that instead of shit like fishing and the teapot which only a very small margin of the player base actually find fun
Here's the problem with Genshin Impact endgame: besides Spiral Abyss, which resets every 15 days, and events which have just gotten worse since last summer (less co-op, more repetitive mechanics, etc.), it has no endgame. It needs permanent activities and quality of life improvements to be fresh and interesting again. Grinding for characters is still fun to me, but is not enough anymore.
it has no endgame because * drums roll * is not finished. There is literally no game that lets you access the elite/secret boss, final dungeon, elite dungeons for raids etc. before the actual end. Did we defeat the final boss? No. Is the story finished? No. Are all regions released? No. You want hard challenges? Play another game that is fully finished or be creative and try to face a boss fight with a level 2 Amber. The issue of Genshin is not the lack of "endgame" but the lack of game itself that doesn't allow the player to go through the stories that matter the most while dishing out irrelevant events and puzzle solving.
@@RejectedInch They’re almost on the fourth region. That is not new by far. Also, why is endgame suddenly tied to the progress of the full story? Are you going to tell me with a straight face that an AR60 player isn’t in endgame at all? It would be relatively easy to add permanent things besides the Spiral Abyss. Heck, there are many options that have been shown in events that would be great for permanent content!
@@RejectedInch NO EXCUSE. Other live service games make raids or content for casual and hardcore players as they go that stays they don’t all just wait ten years for the end lol imagine MMOs doing that
@@RejectedInch The answer is more simple; there is no endgame because Genshin is a very casual friendly game. The game is designed to be played in short sessions during the free times in your schedule, you aren't supposed to play for hours every day. The mayority of players don't care about meta, artifacts or even the Abyss. This might be a hard pill to swallow for some people but if you are feeling frustrated with the state of the game, you are the minority and you aren't the main target audience.
Facts. The bad part is if you post this on Reddit you get flamed by people who supposedly only have 30 seconds a day to play video games. Then there is the “Genshin isn’t for you. It’s for casuals” crowd which is just such a stupid argument. Who says casuals can’t enjoy endgame content besides the fact that meta / hardcore always drives a player base via carrot on a stick. The resin system needs to be revamped by removing it from some bosses and allowing you to farm resin. The domains can be fixed by allowing you to keep going with leaderboards and increased rewards (still locked behind resin as you will eventually lose), unlimited scaling spiral abyss, league play where each month resets.
This came at probably the best time. Due to the whole Covid situation in Shanghai, an event was subbed out for liben,the livestream preview has been delayed reducing the mothly exposure/ excitement for upcoming charcters, weapons and events. Spiral Abyss reset is tomorrow, but it has been discussed before that SA is not a fun endgame content, you do spiral for the primos and once you get them the majority of players wait for the next reset. This leaves only with serenitea pot as endgame content, however with this patch, teapot has been disabled effectively reducing the amount of activities you can do. There needs to be something to keep player focus, a huge selling point is the exploration. However, once the exploration of a new area and related quests are done what then? Granted there are many lore material, mysteries to solve and theories but they are locked behind reading. Which the majority are probably not interested. Genshin's last selling point is to utlise combat system,but as mentioned SA is not fun and farming routes or domains becomes boring once you have enough materials or the horrible RNG knocking in to say hi. Basically at the end game, players just do not feel rewarded with the work they put into the game, and there isnt that motivation to continue playing when nothing is happening in the coming days.
Bruh this , I think what they need to do is going back to the drawing board and rethink stuff. A.) Let players choose their world difficulty, lvl 100 enemies should be the norm after AR 58. Like wtf. B.) Add a gear scoring system and an appraisal system for the love of god , make domains super hard and the timer to 40 seconds. An AR 59 player has the same progression curve as an AR 55 player like wtf are you on about. It should be easier to snipe artifacts later. C.) Add a arena mode , tower mode and a boss rush mode. Thats rpg 101. LOLZZZ D.) add themed domains and assets and recycle the mobs. Add a cash shop so we can purchase artifact strongbox's lol.
"Basically at the end game, players just do not feel rewarded with the work they put into the game." Took the words right out of my mouth. I haven't played that many gachas, but it was clear as soon as I hit Ar 55 (AR 59 now) that Genshin has an underwhelming and unrewarding end game. Unlike other games (in general, not just gachas) Genshin has never incentivized players for spending countless of hours into the game. At AR 55+ nothing is new, the drop rates for mob materials aren't increased, you unlock no new domains that give better rewards, etc. Basically, there's no merit to progressing, and any progress you make after AR 55 is meaningless because the rewards are just a single standard pull. The only thing that's left for you to aim for is Spiral Abyss, which isn't fun as many players have mentioned. Spiral Abyss has the potential to be fun, but at the end of the day, the abyss is either just a DPS check, gear check, or in the worst case both. The only thing that keeps this game fresh for me is the exploration whenever there's a new area, as the new quests and area are the only content that I enjoy sinking multiple hours into.
@@abhiss6705 Domains should NOT be super hard 😭 We already don't want Abyss not more of it. They should instead be more rewarding like guaranteed pieces or substats. And what does the last part even serve exactly? Nobody really uses the Artifact Strongbox before higher AR's. What they should do instead is add more of it. Nobody runs the VV domain for Maiden pieces anymore, it's not even best-in-slot for anyone. They should just replace the Maiden pieces with another set or rework it somehow.
@@salceds At AR 58/59 most people have cracked accounts who can stomp abyss. SO harder domains makes it more interesting and makes the reward loop better. Beat this lvl 100 domain in 40 seconds and you get a min CV of 14.1 , stuff like that Second point , by adding stongboxes for all the sets as part of a cash shop whose points can be earned passivly by non resin activities(weekly domains). You make artifacts more readily available. Taking your example, would you rather have 6 VV pieces guaranteed , or do 6 runs of the VV domain and get maidens in all of them.
The endgame i expect to see in genshin is the same endgame there is in Honkai. Honkai started with the infinity abyss, which is multiple floors of enemies to be defeated against a clock, aka spiral abyss. Then they will probably add a memorial arena : fighting against a singular boss that gets stronger each time you win. The vagabond event is the closest thing we had to a memorial arena. And lastly an elysian realm aka the labyrinth of warriors event. Very likely they work on making those events into a form with which they are satisfied to be permenant.
The Vagabond Event is pretty much what Punishing Gray Raven's Babel Tower looks like, which is pretty much the end game and considered the hardest content of that game. You get to modify the enemies' difficulty by adjusting their attack power, speed, debuffs etc.. The difference is this Babel Tower comes either every patch or every other patch which doesn't take long to return.
The problem is that Genshin doesn't know what it is. Is it a mobile gacha game that has an energy system, limited events, and characters that need plenty of screen time for players to fall in love? Is it an exploration action game, where players want to explore and destroy enemies that requires repeatable difficult content? Is it more of a sandbox game, where you can run around and collect materials, build a home, cook, and chat with characters? In trying to please so many aspects of gaming, there are inevitably parts that fall off. People complained about the main story in Inazuma, the new player lockout, and the lack of repeatable and/or endgame content. Most updates have several types of events: the main with a great story, a combat based one, and some cute peaceful one. Hoyo is doing everything they can to cater to as many as possible, but they're still trying to figure out how best to do that. (For example, time-gating events annoys players, but not locking them means players speedrun and complain about lack of content) Hoyo is so busy covering every base they can that they're completely missing the fact that everyone is telling them that the it's time to switch sides.
And the mere fact that it's designed as a "Mainstream game" A lot of PC player expected a fair consumption... And play whenever they want... Not forced to abide the game resources rules
/OUH this!!!!! and it comes to arguments alot, even naming people meta slaves or simps---- like, if you dont like spiral abyss, simp. you like yae's gameplay even its clunky? simp. you hate kokomi's gameplay? meta slave. while,,,, the game is just trying to appeal to everyone at once, hence the creation of multiple characters with many niches. Even the comments section around here is a bit like that: -I bet you cant clear SA because you're a bad player who's just playing for the waifu, go play Dead or Alive extreme 3 orrrr - Meta slaves are grinding too fast even tho its not the game for them, go play League. while im here--- i had both coming at me... why cant i point out the issue in both- genshin is a game that does, to quote that one dude on the internet "a lil bit of everything, all of the time"
I just came up with an idea today. I noticed it was Diluc's birthday. So why not create missions based on each character's birthday, mostly as small cinematics in order to not have monotonous dialogue prompts.
thats not end game. The need to stop wasting time with frivolous things like teapot and hangouts and focus on giving us an endgame worth grinding for. Coz rn there's nothing.
@@TheElino you can like that, but it’s literally not the issue that we’re addressing which is problem I noticed with the genshin community, a lot of players are fine watching a 20 second cinematic and sitting through 4 minutes of text boxes. That’s not endgame and it’s very repetitive after a while, why am I building this strong team if all I’ll do is read the dialog
that would be nice. more interactions in general with the characters would be nice. like maybe if you get them to lvl 10, you can sometimes find them in random places in the world with missions for you kind of like with npcs rn. ik i'd be more inclined to help fetch something for ayato than save pallad from another group of slimes.
This whole issue of endgame content really hurts the game in so many ways,I had a friend who plays genshin and I remember asking him what he's going to do after getting kazuha (kazuha simp for a long time) and he stopped for a second and answered:"I actually don't have any idea" short-term goals are what the grand majority of players have,so after they're done with it they no longer have something to look forward to,of course those that are here for the end of the story and to uncover all mysteries of teyvat won't suffer that issue,but even they will eventually give up and might quit completely.
Tbh, I think if they were a little more upfront about what characters are coming out in the future and what their general abilities/skills will be (even if not the specific numbers/details since those can always change), then players would have more goals to do. Most of what I do on any given day is pre-farm for future desired characters.
I’m AR60 more like.I’m more afraid when other games have no roadmap to look forward too. When Genshin did show chapters of Teyvat. It’s where I know I can wait when the time comes than none.
You nailed dude, this is why I dont pre-farm the materials for a character that I like. Because if I farmed in advance, I will lose reason to play the game in the first place.
And as an AR 35 player who savors all their quests this is exactly the reason why I play Genshin more casually and less religiously than some of my friends do. I have better things to do in my life and I also want the game to last longer for me, the newer content just makes it more fun to go on side detours.
honestly i am also just farming for kazuha and saved primogems for months . after i get him i have no desire to play . i dont want to collect all 5 star bec i have no interest in doing chore everyday .
Been playing since launch and I have to agree. Started the game with quite a few friends but now I'm the only one that still plays, if logging in for 20 minutes, do my dailies, and log out, even counts, outside the occasional events and abyss. And honestly I can't blame them. There's nothing to work towards. We have all these characters and equipment but there's no sense of progression towards anything after a certain point. I don't like how every update only focuses on temporary events. Some permanence in these updates outside new gacha items that end up being temporary until they rerun anyway would be nice. Not to mention most events in my opinion outside the exploration ones are just, recycled events. It could be a rerun event like mechanicus or just another arena event with a different name but the same idea. I still do look forward to when Sumeru comes but if it's still the same old for another year, not sure how much longer I'll stay. I only get to have fun every what, 16 days, for awhile in spiral abyss and then that's it. Exploration is a one time thing. You can't experience it again because you can't undiscover what you already found. Which is why it amazes me people still defend the lack of endgame and one of the reasons is "go explore". Exploration is finite in this game. I still like this game, but how I feel about this game can only carry so far until even I find it meaningless to go further with it. I gave it over a year and a half, and soon to be two years. But hey, if there's no reason to continue, no harm done. I'll just spend time and money elsewhere, hopefully in a game where I can enjoy playing with my friends.
@@ROMVS .......well....maybe his friends actually exist and touch grass? idk man...i do not have friends who are as degenrate as me. But lets all be very real...sumeru aint gonna bring shit...watch it literally be another inazum situation, I bet you that.
I feel like most of the issues people have with lack of endgame is playing genshin as an mmorpg when I at least don't think of it as one. I just think of it as botw whose lore and world keeps getting bigger with ever expanding cast and playable characters. The grind is optional and I just do it as it is very quick and I get more primos to be able to roll on new characters that interest me. If you are only looking forward to Sumeru I do recommend just taking a break from the daily grind if that is making you lose interest, though even if you do lose interest, not like you have to stop playing forever you could still login for when new areas/story come out, which I personally feel is the best way to play the game.
@@Pohatarunic6 ....but the way you think it does not change the game...it is still considered widely as a mmorpg and whether you like it or not, many people are not casual with this game and are quite the hardcore gamers who are not being catered to meanwhile the casual players are being one sidedly being catered to....so eventually its gonna explode, and if the game is fine with having one side leaving then fine, no need to change anything major. but if it wants to keep a majority of it happy then it has to find some happy meduim.
Crazy thing is that Honkai has all of this stuff. Leaderboards, content that requires different elemental, physical teams and supports, etc. They know what kind of stuff they can add, they just don't have a reason to because they're getting the money anyway. Also, this game is catered to casual players, so I doubt they will add too much difficulty or competitiveness. They should go Honkai's route. You're given a choice of whether you want to be ultra competitive and swim with the whales, or stay where you're at with some competition. But sadly, they have no incentive right now to add anything, as people have no issue giving them money while getting no permanent content in return.
If you think rolling for cancer movesets or badly designed bosses to topscore is a really good thing or even fun, I can only say there's something wrong with your line of thinking. And its also a way to mihoyo introduce and justify powercreep because just like in honkai, they can control the meta in many ways by doing that. You can see on honkai how they release weapons and characters LITERALLY DESIGNED to trivialize mechanics of MA and abyss in their kit, giving them a sense of necessity for players who care, and the ones who don't have to go thru shitty RNG and badly designed traffic light bosses. Please do not suggest such things. If this would happen with genshin I'm pretty sure the community would riot because it'd be very easy to connect how they could do cash grabs by artificially making characters necessary, just like what they do on honkai.
@@matheus-sm7860 you exactly described why didn’t stick with Honkai. The boss mechanics looked fun, but you literally need certain characters to have a fun time. It felt stupid on so many levels, that’s why I just did the story up to date and discontinued, despite pulling Mobius, HOT and her weapon, and Fischl and her weapon. I just pulled without a care in the world.
@@matheus-sm7860 Oh no theres a new meta valk that released, its not like theres multiple alternative I can use and still be as effective and even then its not like I need to be at the very top to get good rewards. I dunno your experience with Honkai, but I think its not much. I'm a level 88 captain at the endgame, and let me tell you, its nothing like you say, if I don't pull the latest valk my ranking does not drop, I do not have more significantly more difficult fights. I'm not even the most skilled or the most well equiped out there. To do well requires a understanding of the game's mechanics, something the latest fully geared valkyrie doesn't get you.
Iirc, there was a dev interview a long time ago and they said they don't have any plans for PvP content. I think this is the reason why we don't have leaderboards like honkai on Spiral Abyss.
@@randomguyblank1616 Sorry for the Seething, but i think you have absolutely 0 clue of what youre talking about. Ive been playing this game for 1230 days at this point, and if you deny that , Benares, Assaka, Higo, GK, and even Jizo (if you use NS for example, optimally you need to roll that 3 hit combo on the beginning and evade the last atk with her to get the bonus crit rate that she gets from evasion, if you dont do that, YOU WILL SCORE LOWER, SO its RNG IN A WAY) that weird boss with paralyze field that's RNG as fuck are shitty bosses when you DO NOT USE what hoyo wants you to use to top score, you'll spend at least 30 mins to an hour rolling for either moveset or chaining an action (evade) that increases your damage or trigger time fracture on memorial, and completely out of your control, and reliant on RNG. I've been literally scoring 30.5 or 31K or more literally every week on my 1st tries just because i have the herrschers and the latest characters. And before that ive had only the free characters to use until i got memento and HR. Have you even tried ROLLING HoS Schrodinger on Jizo? How dare you to not call it a RNG fest when schro t by itself is RNG? Have you tried using PX+Roza+Flamescion without full gear on BKE? Lemme tell you, YOU CANT SKIP THE TRAFFIC LIGHT PHASE if you dont have full gear, so you have to do the 2 blocks and ult in the beginning, and HOPE in the 2ND rotation for her to use the explosion move for you to timelock with PX, otherwise, YOU WILL WASTE TIME, and your score will be either 30,983 or 30,8, just BECAUSE THERES A HUGE LAYER OF RNG if you literally dont own her gear. Last time i spent 1:30 mins rolling for this, and a player on Global server tried the same thing and it took an literal hour to replicate it. I have the video if you doubt, but its not that i care anymore. Have you tried using memento vs higo or vs GK? Have you even tried to use tripple newtons and fail miserably every single time just because your weapon active didnt hit because of one factor out of your control, and losing 3 to 5s in the process? Have you tried using WD + HoR + Roza on Higo even once (you need to roll for it to stay in the wall and chain time fractures in the wall and hope the aggro doesnt go wrong otherwise he'll zoom to the middle of the map. Is this even skill? Are oyu serious? Have you tried breaking Assaka's Arm with DP+LE+HotF using kikaku, just to see how many tries it takes just because YOU NEED IT to keep one of its arms down (and you probably know he doesnt stop moving? (lemme tell you, even the promalders take at least 3hrs to make this work). "if I don't pull the latest valk my ranking does not drop" Heh, i dont mean to be elitist here, but last time i checked my RL emblem it was 580 days, or 83 retentions or so. Even if drop this, it'll still last a long time. Could you tell me how much time you've been playing and if you even retains or promote from redlotus time to time? " I do not have more significantly more difficult fights.~ Honkai IS NOT A MECHANICALLY HARD (or even hard) game to learn, and theres no difficulty on killing literal punchbags, the difficulty there, the difficult part on that game is replicate the same scenarios that you see on youtube or bilibili where they rolled optimal moveset or rotation that have one or two elements out of your control. But ill give you that the new bosses are telegraphed and as long you know the 2 or 3 starting moves, the score will always be similar, so its a SMALL layer of RNG. An example of that are the two quantum bosses that have 3 starting moves, and one of them (the long one is the optimal one to chain multiple time fractures, BUT OF COURSE, if you use the quantum characters designed to kill them, you`ll not have to care about this because the mechanic is shortened with the press of one button. Have you even tried killing Rimestar without DA or SoS? Are you even aware how many tries are needed to do this with suboptimal characters? Can you even try killing rimestar with HoS without SoS without spending a LOT of time to get an actual good score (30 or 31K)? ~ To do well requires a understanding of the game's mechanics, something the latest fully geared valkyrie doesn't get you.~ Heh, It has nothing to do with skill, its about making a fair design or something that would actually make the players feel rewarded upon doing some actions in the game, for the most part the boss design of honkai is just bad because there's a lot of things that you can stop and say "why is this there" "why do i have to do this to short out a mechanic" "why do i have to use x character otherwise i wont do damage because this character have a huge buildup (trauma or sp, nowadays, though it happens, even moveset) to actually do damage (i just gave you an example with SoS) its just unfun and not even rewarding. Its just bad. Did i just said i`ve been scoring 30-31K on EX Memorial almost every week on my 1st tries almost every week? Last week i got 103K on memorial in the last day and didnt even rolled for moveset. (and enabled the buff mode because i dont care anymore). (scores were 30.5, 31.1 and 42K.)
The sad part is, is that Mihoyo knows this. They know all of this, but they've been delivering the minimum viable product for a year and a half, because they can. The people who log in just to stare at their characters are few, but they are very vocal, and love to abuse the word "toxic" to label anything even remotely critical of the game. They completely stifle and shut down any discussion that isn't endless praise of the game, valid or not, to the point that people frustrated just get burnt out and quit. I haven't done commissions since 1.5. I haven't spent resin in 2 months. I only log in to clear SA and wait until an event is fully unlocked then blitz through that too. I'm barely holding on at this point.
you havent done commissions in over a year? thats gotta be like 20k primos youve missed out on. if you dont care, you dont care, but i wish i could have them instead loool!
@@Nunazac I did a few for Inazuma and I'll do enough to unlock new story chapters, but that's about it. It helps that I only pull on units I want and I've had pretty good gacha luck. And while true that I will never get those primos back, the world's longest "honeymoon period" has to end eventually, and then it should make getting characters, cons, and weapons exponentially easier. Sales gotta die down first tho. Not worth the effort with the current system.
The Labyrinth Warriors event was timed endgame stuff imo. It's the perfect blueprint for a bi-weekly or monthly challenge progression to do something extra
I'd rather it weekly like Honkai's version of Labyrinth (ER). No more every 2 week stuff. Even abyss in Honkai resets every 3 days instead of 2 weeks. That's too long.
There is so much they could do -Change resin massively -Buff old characters -Add more endgame -Add chest respawns -Qol changes like Insta boss respawns -More skins (easy way to make money that isn’t gacha oriented) -Make co-op systems better -Offer more rewards to dedicated players (High AR people and stuff like anniversary) -become more RPG/open world focused -change daily activities/rewards -add new artifact substats -Make co-op more interactive (like mini emotes and dialogue things) -Focus on finishing older characters stories (like Qiqi or Diluc) rather than spamming new ones like yelan -Add an option to select and matchmake with similar language players (Eu server could use this a lot) I see Russians everywhere -focus more on general content like fishing, exploring, gliding challenges (currently they are irrelevant mostly) -Add new raid style domains for co-op (this is the sort of thing I expected before I got genshin) -Add skip tickets for people who don’t have time or are lazy -focus less on mobile storage and just go all out like bringing back the GAarchipelago -Actually listen to the community feedback for once -Make fun events like windblume games and windtrace permanent/weekly activities in a rotation -Update adventure handbook -Update battle pass weapons -Add a co-op horde mode with 100 floors -Bring more pets and gliders -Make healers more important than damage for once -Give a reason to explore old locations -Add co-op public events like destiny -LET US PET ANIMALS I could go on and on Some of these things probably aren’t even hard to add and could hugely improve the quality of the game
I agree with chest respawns. Well, I agree with most of it, but seeing those little boxes gets you excited to get to it and do the thing you have to do to open it. Even if the respawns dont give primos or other resin items (XP books and skill scrolls), its just the fun of collecting it that I enjoy.
Well, sadly only devs knows, and their databases. Only thing I know the type of content this game pushes are meant for casual alike. Those surveys over the years. Earns what majority players would like to see. Hence applying nonsense content to a game. Can deter time spent creating content for the majority of the players. We’re talking 6 wks per update. That’s too short. Games in this day & age can take huge contents for 4-12 months in general. Games such as ToF or MMO RPG. I unlikely would play as I retired 10k hrs wasted playing Destiny 2 and Warframe. I work and only play Apex and Genshin.
The biggest problem with Spiral Abyss is that it keeps getting harder every time a new version comes out. For veterans who have already beaten Abyss, that's fine because they now have a reason to get stronger. But for new players, the gap from starting out and getting into the endgame keeps getting bigger and bigger. This is obviously an increasingly serious problem. The biggest mistake Mihoyo keeps making is that they don't offer any substantial intermediate challenges for players. *Instead of adding new and harder levels to Spiral Abyss, they just keep buffing the existing ones.* When Spiral Abyss is a challenge that seems ever more distant for new players, then what is their actual incentive to grow a strong team? Why should I grind every day when I'm only served a drip-feed of content that only rarely resembles the action I hope to see in level +10 Spiral Abyss some distant day?
@Eko The difficulty might fluctuate from version to version, as well as depending on your team. But the general consensus is that there is a clear rising trend in difficulty.
i really agree lol, when the game in early release, there is just fatui and shield hilichurl at floor 12, they are really lacking ideas right now and only know make things harder i wish they make another challenge for us who play for a long time and get 36 stars, its boring, boring af that it had to stay like this for a long time but the thing i dont like the most that spiral abyss can make our hard earned primo useless cause not all character can be use, for example, venti vs big enemies, freeze team vs bosses spending money on those character and end up not using in the only end game we have right now in few patch is really hurt
Lol no i started my second account as f2p in 2.4 Already ar 45 and have 31 starred abyss. 36 ain't too far away. Just need like 4 weeks of artifact farming
Uh it isn't actually like that??? I was a new player once, and last month I was able to complete abyss 36 stars finally. I worked for it tho. You jsut can't expect newbies to beat abyss just as everyone else who are veterans or 1st day players. Like what's the point of getting characters, raising them???
Real problem is the goal of making players login every day. Playing same single-player game forever just doesn't work in terms of player enjoyment. There is only so much depth to explore. Gacha (or really any game-as-service) monetization necessitates anti-fun features (massively padded progression, forced daily logins to inflate retention, etc).
I agree there really is no reason to make us log in daily vs weekly with the amount of content there actually is. Just give us a weeks worth of resin and commissions and let us do them at our own pace. Some days I'm busy and not in the mood to play, other days I would happily sit there and do 15 commissions at once. I mean it's not that big of a deal and I'm sure it's even easier for mobile players (I'm on PS4) but it's still annoying.
I am legitimately surprised we still have no repeatable content that we can grind to get universal stella fortunas. Most gacha games have ways to unlock the potential of your characters without getting duplicates and I think Genshin would really benefit from having that. At least for 4-stars because some constellations are just... too hard to get normally.
Should of kept the Labyrinth warriors event as endgame, make the dungeons rotate with the Spiral Abyss or maybe in the middle of the Spiral abyss cycle.
It's probably gonna be. It's ER in Honkai, but I don't think it's gonna be as hard as Honkai's version if they make it permanent. Labyrinth Warriors (ER) in Honkai is really hard to get all the crystals every week, but it's fun.
I was a day one player but I have taken significant breaks as a result of these issues. I skipped 1.4 and 1.5, as well as 2.2-2.5. While it's refreshing to come back to have some story quests to do, I still wish they'd introduce something more compelling. My absolute favorite event was the Cryo Regisvine co-op boss back in 1.2, even as buggy as it was.
The real problem is that it's too monetized. When you really boil it down the only fun things are getting new characters and leveling them up but both are heavily gated. Even the quest which you can argue is kinda fun if you like reading alot is gated with the stupid keys everything is gated and is slowed to a halt. There's a bunch of content in the game; quests, leveling up characters, getting new characters, hell Even the pot but everything is so gated is the progress is so halted you have no choice but to just log in and do nothing for a week before getting to play just alittle bit of the content. In my opinion, this is done for monetary reasons, content cost money to make. You gotta pay the artists, designers, voice actors, programmers. And if they allowed you to play it all you probs finish the whole game in a day or two and never pick it up again. And they have to make more content to get you to play the game. This stupid stupid system is designed so you'd stick around more so you fall into the stupid gotcha trap.
for a gacha game that is too monetized it is sure lacking in comparison of other gacha game. there are only genesis crystal topup, welkin moon and bp. I'd say hoyoverse should add seasonal discount sale.
@@smug_slime or rewards for topping up x amount of genesis crystals or topping up x amount of times.. I think thatd be cool especially for low spenders that often buy welkin/BP or even whales
@@smug_slime why add discounts when there are whales who are willing to spend 10+ millions total on a banner. There's nothing to incentivize them to do that. When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line. Unless they get a hit in their sales, they won't change anything drastic about their monetization system. (Well, because it's working :p)
@@johnsanimations2725 now there's a 3 weeks delay it's a perfect time to add sales because there's no character incentive since the only incentive to spend money is to get new characters the next 3 weeks gonna be dry as hell, might as well add another incentive to spend since it's cheaper now.
I think these are a few ideas to add to Genshin 1. PVP, this is a gamemode found in an area which isn't explored too much, or maybe Hoyo can add a new island in Monstadt. Basically it's permanent content where you find people online and take in four party members and battle it out. To make sure characters don't get one shot, every party member gets a massive HP increase, I'm talking like 30-50% increase, that way you can't immediately start a battle with Hu Tao and have your main dps die instantly. No healing items are allowed and revives from barbara or qiqi are still allowed however. 2. Expand on Spiral abyss and character talent/weapon levels. This may be difficult to accomplish but with enough time to work things out with all the characters, the better it may be. Crowns will still be used for level 10, but also for level say 20, maybe 30 if they choose to expand that far. As for the Abyss expansion, a floor 13-24 would help increase how long people play the game (and will help monetarily). Floors 13-20 will be similar to 1-8 but the rewards should be double what they are in floors 1-8 as it is MUCH harder than floors 1-10. And floors 21-24 should give say 250 primos for 9 stars. That'll make the rewards more plentiful and may also be more f2p friendly for day one f2p players. 3. Make some of the old events permanent content for co-op. Events like the one where you made your own domains would definitely help more people play the game for longer. 4. Add an entirely new gamemode. Maybe a legitimate boss rush in the style of spiral abyss. Every boss is level 90 and you get 3 teams, maybe more when Fontaine, Natlan and Snezhnaya release. But once everyone on the first team dies it switches to the second team almost immediately and that continues until you either lose every team, or you defeat the most recent boss. Weekly bosses will be their own game mode. You'll get a lot of primogems depending on how fast you defeated the boss and how many characters died during the fight, but you will not regen HP or get bursts back after each fight. These are just some of my ideas
I really just wish MiHoYo would announce they acknowledge the issue and they’re working on it. I’d be happy with that for now. Instead, we don’t hear anything about the lack of endgame content that would take far less developing power than entire new zones every patch.
With AR55-60+, Abyss done for the current cycle, no new story/archon/side quest and seasonal/limited events for content padding. Players are only left with daily commissions and resin burn as end game content since day one of the game until now lol. But the real problem lies with the players anyways, many are content with what the game has, I remember the issue of the anniversary rewards that were so bad that it sucked balls, but many said it's better than nothing for the "1ST ANNIVERSARY" like really?? So we reap what we sow as a community, we keep on feeding Hoyoverse with millions of $ for every character they release because it seems new shiny characters are better than actual end game content. At this point I wont expect anything from Hoyoverse to do anything,anymore. What I'm hoping for is for another game from any other company to be released that is enough to stand as a "Genshin competitor" hope it becomes popular to shake Hoyoverse into a "we have to do something or we lose more players" mode.
I start to think that until the final Archon Quest, we will never have another endgame modality. I think that for Hoyo "meanwhile we have an unfinished story: Story, SA and eternal farming are enough for the players"
There was so much potential too, you've seen hoyoverse release very interesting events like Labyrinth of the Warriors, Divine Ingenuity which hosted fan base created levels, and The new Hues of the violet garden event which had pretty good mini-games. Problem is, they only stay for at most 1 month and sometimes even less than 20 days like the Divine Ingenuity even which only stayed for 15 days
Both Labyrinth Warriors and Divine Ingenuity could be combined in a single end-game area, with increasing difficulty, procedual dungeons and custom-made puzzle dungeons, each one with different rewards. I see no reason to stick with the outcrops and spend resin there, so why not making endgame content as a way to get mora and xp. Do you need mora? Let's try a dungeon here and win 10k, 12 dungeons later and you played a lot and get the same amount as the outcrop, but had tons of different experiences while playing instead of just one or two combats with normal enemies.
Genshin's End Game has nothing to do with recent Shanghai Covid situation. End Game of Genshin has been brought out tons of time from Old Players, the last “End Game" we have is Spiral Abyss, nothing else. There's no floor added, the HP and ATK of enemies in Abyss keep increase but reward stay the same. No new mechanic for Combat, just temporary mini game that no players care. (Take photo, plant flower, cooking, talk to NPC no one care). The people who make this game is amazing, but the People who make Decision is lacking of business intelligent
For me, the secret is coop, coordination with a team of people feels amazing, i would love to have basically wow dungeons, and yes what (v)cars said about making weaknesses to bosses, add new mechanics, like status on the player's character, for some ideas, an status that blind one character and cant see who are they attacking to, or aoe skills/burst deal dmg to allies, or it links to someone and if the boss is dmged gets transferred to that linked character, 1/2 to the boss, 1/2 to the character so he needs to be healed or even the other way around linked to everyone and heals x2 the amount anyone heals(so if everyone heal 1000, the boss heals 1000x2x4(each character)), changing patterns, maybe instead of doing the aoe near the boss hitbox doing it far, or in segments
One issue I see with this compared to normal games are the rewards. Let's say when you clear a regular game you see if there's a post-game or a way to have a 100% or whatever and you do it if you think it's fun, if not then you just drop it and play another thing. Sometimes you keep coming back to the game even if there's nothing new to do because it is fun (for example I have cleared Donkey Kong Country 2 at 102% several times). In Genshin tho, you keep coming back for the rewards, like, anyone finds the daily commisions fun? Abyss is only a challenge because it has a timer and that makes it more stressful than fun, but we play it for the rewards, so to me it would need a balance between fun/rewards and as genshin is right now it sounds kind of hard. Exploration has the balance imo but they obviously can't keep releasing new areas too fast and even then there are people who get the 100% of a new area in less than a week, sometimes in day 1. It feels like the best option is just drop it, play other things and come back when there is more content but if you do that you won't have enough primos/exp/mora for new characters. I don't know maybe it is wrong to compare it to a regular game but I don't know how other gacha handle it neither
3:17 nice transition! lol as a casual player who's been playing genshin since patch 1.1, i was not really looking for new endgame content since genshin is a young game. now though that genshin is approaching its second anniversary, i would be very surprised if they wouldn't introduce another challenging endgame option aside from spiral abyss by patch 3.0. i would like to have the new endgame content to have an explorable domain with buffs and debuffs (like the 2.2 childe-xinyan event), have endless cycle of random mobs (like the potion event and the vibro-crystal event), can be done solo or co-op, and have trial characters available. i would like hoyo to improve the rewards in the challenging contents too because the fact that you don't even get half a multi in 36-starring spiral abyss is just insulting. for events tho, i want more events that are like the enkanomiya three realms because exploration gives us something to do in between. also the world of teyvat is very beautiful and the worldbuilding is amazing so to revisit areas and to learn more about teyvat that can't be squeezed in the main storyline would be great.
That is the problem with this kind of game development. I straight up have stopped playing after completing all the stories. Before that I was obsessed with the Story and the Game Mechanics to optimize my characters to their 'best self' but now I have lost complete interest and haven't touched it for 2 months now.
@@henri2421 That 'pace' kind of kill the momentum of players like me who only maxes stuff out because they wanna play the game and beat the boss while bragging a bit about their build.
Since I see a lot of Elysian Realm comments I want to add, before ER we had an event called Threshold Breach. Same idea and mechanics just very very watered down. That Breach event reminds me of the event we have now. So, genshin might be testing the waters with these events and figuring how they would implement gameplay like this permenantly.
I feel like we came so close to having progression with the endgame discussion when they gave us the Inazuma dungeons. But as you said, that came and went. If they gave us some hundred floor dungeon like that that made us use strategy to endure and progress, and made it rotate in and out every few weeks, then I think we’d be in a good place. But they are content to make a light game with rotating content. Most of it anything but intense or sweaty.
What I'd really like is a defense/survival game mode where instead of dishing out the most damage, you're goal is to survive the longest. Spiral abyss right now is mainly focused on the offensive power of a team but why not have a game mode that focus on the defensive power of a team
Love your content Vars, and I entirely agree. However, MiHoYo has been getting away with simply rotating events and still raking in stupid amounts of cash. I doubt the endgame will change for a long time, if at all. Here's hoping though!
idts the game is gonna die, it has its issues but most casuals who only log in for fun with no long term goal in mind don't really mind the flaws. Numbers dont lie and the game has been making big bucks
@@zenox1405 even titans fall. Just look at Call of Duty, Halo, World of Warcraft, PUBG, and many more. Everyone wondered who was gonna be the “x” killer but they ended up killing themselves by not listening to the feedback of the community. They were riding high on their success they either thought they knew better or didn’t listen to the community.
@@adawongz That's why I'm happy that many Genshin "clones" are popping out now. I hope that gives Hoyoverse the incentive to be more proactive and add more interesting content to the game.
I'll not put out any names but some time ago I saw a familiar face, a genshin impact streamer, on my rare appearances on Twitch, they were playing Honkai Impact so naturally, being a very big fan of the game, I clicked. I couldn't have entered at a worse time as they were talking about "how bad honkai's endgame player experience is", their explanation being "you have to log in every day to obtain the event rewards" and "the hardest content needs a frame perfect execution to be competitive". This being said from someone who is part of the community that complains about genshin not having enough content. Honkai does require you to log in every day but to give the player an incentive to evolve and receive better rewards from everything there is to play; for example every three days the Abyss resets and it has tiers, the better the equipment and team rotation the higher the score and chance to challenge for the best rewards, and ,to be fair, the "frame perfect" rule doesn't apply unless you spend many thousands of and play for the top 100 on the server for every rotation. If you're a casual/ low spender, you'll most likely have to create your own rotations to fit your damage profile, heck if you have enough understanding of the game you can surpass whale accounts with very little gacha gear. I'm not saying genshin should be a FarmFest but I believe more difficult content that requires player engagement on a weekly basis to help would be welcomed by most of the community.
If they do that, they should also make it easier for players to farm. Because everything is capped to an unholy low amount right now. For example, you need several hundred crystals to level up one weapon to level 70-80, yet you can obtain like 30-40 a day.
I like the idea of a global Stella Fortuna. If they could make it something you could only achieve once a month with a spiral abyss-like set up, I'm sure a lot of people will be incentivized to grind for it. But unlike the abyss, which you could easily clear in an hour or so if you got all the right characters, this should be playable more so for as an entire monthly event. Genshin's problem is that its end game content can be easily finished in a matter of minutes or hours and their solution to that problem is to time lock it instead of making an organic progression system.
I really loved Genshin from the start, ever since it was released and I saw it on playstore in my phone for the first time, downloaded it and had the best fun I ever had since pandemic hit. I'd even sacrificed huge storage on my PC just to get a desktop client of the game (it was a low budget kind, but nothing stopped me) . Usually the only games I would play are MOBA multiplayer mmorpg and so, but open world was a whole new experience for me. Until that barrier of endgame updates came. I understand why they preferred to release it in updates rather than a full patch of the game, maybe because of the gacha that will hook everyone up when there's nothing left, or maybe to add new things that would be more likelihood to the community. I know a lot of other people love grinding and getting their characters very strong and showcase stuff, but I don't consider it as end game, I'd rather have an entire game finished, heck I'll even play just the main quest and then get over it. Well for a few months I tried to hold in the grinding and kept playing but it felt more like chores. Which is the absolute opposite of what games are supposed to do. I guess I got hooked into the story as well as the characters that I'd even spent more than a dime in any game for the first time. But I just can't go on with this kind of play style anymore. I even thought of playing genshin all over again from the start regardless of completion, or I could wait for the entire story to unfold but it seems so distant that the only option you have is to continue playing the furthest you could get. Genshin was really amazing for me, but I think I overweighted the rpg here over the gacha. Though I'm finally quitting for good, I'm still grateful it made a way for me to discover other new games. Remember everyone, it's a game. It might be your life's work, but don't push yourself too much to the point the only entertainment you'll probably get nowadays, especially this pandemic, to become something of a task that you urge yourself to do. Have fun while you're at it.
One correction: Kokomi is still not necessary. People just realised, that she can be a great comfort unit to have (like Zhongli) and her best build works completely different as how the developer intended her to work. Overall she is just lucky to be a hydro aura + TTDS and Millelith bot. Also her healing off-field is worse than Bennetts.
I would like to point out how terribly wrong you are, but I'm not big enough of a fan for kokomi to do that. So I'll just observe and wait for people to see and reply to your comment. And maybe hope for someone who has better understanding of the meta that can enlighten me (and you lol)
idk about your kokomi but mine did 7k per jellyfish tick thats enough to survive. you're right that she's not a must but rather a comfy character to have, and that makes abyss much more comfortable if you put her in the right unit. i still use the clam set on her, with EC and SC that bubble can pop up to 35k every 3 sec. with good rotation and enough er that jellyfish can have 100% uptime so you dont need to worry about dying. the thing about kokomi is that shes the best full time aoe hydro applicator at the moment, you never die when shes in the team. along with sukokomon i tried putting her in the electro charged team with kazuha fischl ayato and it works decently against multiple enemies
@@leoniichan1229 except that everything I said is true. What gives her a niche in meta is her off field hydro application + buffs thanks to the right equipment. I don't need enlightment, but maybe you can come down from your high horse and learn about the game before writing a pointless comment 😉
Great video! I think one of the key arguments in favour of introducing new and more challenging endgame content is that by giving players more reasons to build their characters you are simultaneously also making the existing content more worthwhile & rewarding. Some sort of challenging endgame would synergise really well with all of the existing gameplay which is centered around player progression. The situation as-is seems more like an anti-synergy than anything else - Genshin is a game built around progression in which progression barely matters! Its strange! I'm not confident that Mihoyo see it that way though sadly. Have they ever given any indication that challenging endgame content is something they are interested in implementing? Still - I'd love to see it happen!
Playing Genshin Daily at endgame feels like being a soldier in times of peace. We're training everyday for a war that may or may not come. But if it ever does... we'll be ready.
With the teapot housing system, I would argue that it actively discourages the player from having any intrinsic motivation (setting your own goals by being creative, etc.) due the restrictive time-gates on crafting furniture--more so when you're maxed trust rank (or wtever its called). Sure I can see it to stretch out the content while you're progressing through the ranks, but there's literally no reason for it once you're maxed other than the devs bein like, "Here's some permanent content that could potentially create alot more user-generated content which can further market the game on all the socials for free BUT we are doing everything in our power to make you absolutely hate every second you engage with it." ???
ngl man, i'm AR60 and the activities I've been doing in genshin is to log in, do my dailies, spend my resin, and play some events if they're available. of course, I spice it up every monday to do reputation quests and abyss runs every 1st and 16th of the month. but other than that, everything's so bland and boring. once you've unearthed every secret and explored every region that the game currently offers, there's no reason to play. hell, I don't even visit the chasm, or dragonspine, or enkanomiya anymore unless I need to kill some bosses for ascension mats. I wish they just made this game instance-based because mihoyo doesn't know how to implement an open-world game system. I mean, once I run out of resin, why should I kill a boss if I won't get anything out of it? I explore the vast open world of genshin for what exactly? am I supposed to kill every goddamn enemy I find? farm talent materials? farm minerals? farm food items that I never use due to how powerful my characters have become? I visit the knights of favonious hq and never saw jean nor lisa. can't even see barbara or rosaria around the church or diluc in dawn winery. I go to liyue and can't even spot keqing or ganyu. go to the kamisato estate and not even a sighting of thoma. genshin promised us a vast and exciting open-world adventure but it has become a spineless sham.
6:39 Bro I don't even follow anything Genshin related except for Genshin Impact itself and yet I feel like I've seen every one of those through other retweeting
We've been supporting and playing this game for more than 1 year, this game is not FREE. If you play this game for Free, that's because other players spent money to support this game. When you spent on this game to get a character (Top-Up is Extremely Expensive), then put tons of resin to build them. But in exchange of easy combat difficulty experience and nothing to do in the game. Players constantly gave feedback about combat end game contents and hoping for more, but the Game ignore all these Feedbacks, then give us Mini game that has nothing to do with combat such as planting flowers, talking to random NPC that we don't care, taking photo, cooking, delivery. With these actions, it felt like the Game doesn't care about old players who supported the game, but only care about Casual players
@@gordonfoo2416 So that's a big issue with this discussion the absurd assumption that combat is everything and all other interest are lesser or invalid. You'll notice that when criticism comes up people tend to basically point towards making Genshin PvP P2W or an MMO So while hardcore player's would enjoy that aspect since the game is meant for a broader appeal your asking a sizable amount of player to be forced into a narrow mindset for your personal enjoyment Especially without doing the proper work of analyzing the things people outside your group enjoy or the difficulty of applying certain systems. I would love all World Quest to be voiced but that's permanent content that inflate the game size and can't be removed like language's for Mobile When you say White Knighting your short handing to "People who tear down my argument" if any person could reasonably give ways to implement content that can appeal to everyone is accessible considers the limit of the combat will never get tiring and uses the games asset's Great but no one does they throw around P2W or PVP guilds and gated content. They try to break the system and don't understand why something function the way it does if you say "Resin is just a time gate" then you already don't grasp why removing it is terrible Your thinking surface deep
I venemously hate the abyss. Its not fun, its not rewarding it feels like bashing your head against a wall just to see some stars. The only time I touched it in months was to get more gems for a character.
abyss used to be fun. floors 9-11 were fun bc they were very universal and gave a good indication that you were making progress. but at a certain point it just becomes a matter of "do you have xyz? yes? good. no? you're not getting to 12-3."
I absolutely love Genshin, but I also find myself getting bored of it pretty quickly once I’ve done all the exploring. Exploring is pretty much my main reason for playing this game, it’s my favorite part
I always have tough time when it come to the “end game” discussion. 1.6 was the last time I’ve been completely caught up with all the events, world quest, hang outs, archon quest, exploration, etc. I had beat what was basically the whole game and was waiting per patch accomplish anything new. However, now a days I don’t want to beat all those at ones as I’ll end up in the same boat again where I’m constantly waiting for the next update. But as far as gameplay “end game” I’d love a combat event like Hiakunin Ikki or the Vibro Crystal(especially this one) where. There’s not a time limit but rather a time window, you have three minutes to do as much damage as possible. I know it’ll get stale after a few runs but if you keep up the mundane events like photography and tea pot event having a combat event every patch will keep everyone interested for a bit until an actual game mode or “end game” content is implemented
@@fine2335 Game play loop that's really it. Example if you removed resin what happens. Either rates are tanked or your have the freedom to grind as much as possible. The value of resin is its use as a resource sink. Leveling up characters is consistent. If you use condensed or regular resin you will always be given a certain amount. The time it takes isn't that long so talents levels, weapon material, ascension there consistent and can be done very quickly So Artifacts just create an artificial game play loop think about it like Pokémon Standard level progression gets the job done it. But the Meta is EV and IV training its a game play loop that's mostly RNG So in competitive play its vital but Only in competitive. Genshin is an easy game and you'll get good artifacts eventually just from boss drops But for non casuals or meta its just a resource sink like if you have 1000000 Mora your not going to stress about leveling talents or buying things because nothing effects the amount. As a player you have nowhere to use that resource. Primogen are basically worthless. They have value because people want new characters but most characters aren't really better just niche or a side grade. But your brain doesn't like the idea of a resources not being used you see that number accumulate just from passive play and so your going to be itching to spend. Resin stops having a purpose if there's no time sink but removing it means people will basically grind out the content because you've removed the game loop.
Imo, the one that actually holding back the innovation of endgame content is the monetization team. If they're still making a ton of money with the current system then they won't change anything.
I would love some kind of randomized dungeon or area that resets and lays out differently after a period. With puzzle, combat and even lore rooms connected together in different ways with chests with endgame drops and multiple routes. I think genshin is at its strongest when you are exploring and opening chests with activity and puzzle challenges. Something with repeating assets reused in smart ways with decent reward would have been very good to have had in the game at launch to keep people playing between updates with relatively less work than a whole new area. They could remove resin from artifact domains and use it to pay to force a refresh of the dungeon early or something like that instead. You could get deeper into the dungeon faster with better teams on a run and reach more chests with rarer drops, like transient resin or new items like artifact rerolling mats etc. There are so many directions they could go with endgame and its frustrating how they have basically done nothing since launch about it. I think they just don't really care because it already makes more money than games that put actual thought and effort into endgame. So they think, why bother? No rush.
I think the end game will be out after Dendro element can be playable. IDK, I mean now the game mechanics are not complete yet, so I hope after the dendro is released they can do provide endless content like dungeons or something similar.
Bro I’m literally so glad for your videos cuz I’m learning video game design stuff from here that I could be spending thousands of dollars on trying to attain and learn in a college class- of course college goes so much for in depth and I’m only 15 and still figuring out what I wanna do, I just like that I’m learning something that I’m so genuinely interested in.
Genshin impact is basically early access or a chapter game. You play with what your given and wait. New characters are theg only reason to do dailies if your not using money
personally i would love to have a mode to fight an endless swarms of all kind of enemies, to see how long i last, and how many a can kill before losing all my characters, or a co-op version lasting until one character die
There is no such thing as endgame content in this game. The true endgame is filing for bankruptcy. The core gameplay of genshin are: 1) Primo farming - Dailys, Events, Exploration, -hangout, teapot- and abyss. 2) Gacha 3) Character Building - Ascension mats farming, talent maxing, weapon refining and artifact grinding. 4) Abyss The game is meant to be played as: Farm primo/whale -> wish -> build that character -> abyss -> repeat Until you realize that the only reason why you're building your character is so that you can beat mats bosses faster. -Not to farm faster- since you don't have resin to get any reward. Genshin priorities: 1) Sell you their banners - well yeah... uhh... Duuhh. 2) Keep players playing - the only reason why character building and artifact grinding is f-ing long. So that they can keep selling you their banner until the next banner comes. The scenario is: while you're farming trash, they would release a new character that will entice you to whale. 3) Don't reward players - What MihoyCogverse knows and why no changes will ever happen: 1) Despite how vocal the players/content creators are; with their feedback and complaints. Genshin knows that those people are the ones that truly loved this game. They are just passionate to make the game better/to improve it. (Genshin knows you're a tsundere so they just ignore you and abuse you.) 2) Ignore Twitter 3) Artists in the community are free marketing slaves. 4) Toxicity in the community doesn't affect the player's experience. 5) Arknight Endfield, 7DS Impact and Tower of Fantasy are not a threat. Genshin knows eventually that they would have competition but it will be more like how Fortnite and PUBG. Overwatch to Valorant exist together. 6) No matter how wishful you are to the company to be more generous. They are not obligated to do anything since they didn't promise anyone anything in the first place. No matter how dirty clickbaiters are with their lies and fakehype you should filter them out or just completely avoid them. (When mihoyoverse cancels this 420 event they would give more primos. The event: exclusive leyline fragile resin.) 7) The system is 100% complete. Any new content that will give repeatable primo like dailys will absolutely hurt their sale. (No rewards fishing let's go!) The true endgame content is Divorce Simulator. You the husband and genshin is your wife. She will take everything and leaves you nothing.
Work less, profits more! Instead of spending budget for more content they thought it'd be better to just make progress absurdly long and random. And lose progress for using a +20 artifacts for a fodder only to turn +16 and less and less... Other gacha games tend to shower us with characters after characters that they don't need something purely RNG such as artifacts to keep player retention with a sense of progression. Even though too much characters require lots of budget and would make them more forgettable at least the way I see it that is a better way to keep players busy grinding for progress. Alternatively, adding a new progress ceiling such as character lv +100 or awakening and stuff could be a good option to be lighter on the budget but still being a new content and more things to do.
I agree with what you have said but the last part. What if you're female does it apply the other way around? It baffles me to add marriage in this incel crap to this topic.
The goal i have in my head is getting Kazuha. I've thought about it today and concluded that I don't know what to do after i get him. I also wanted Ayato but lost my 50/50 to Keqing and I was ok with that because im guaranteed to get Kazuha next. So unless something big happens in genshin after Kazuha comes i might stop playing
It would be nice if they added repeated weekly content in rotation (like the Olympics. Each season happens every 4 years but you get to watch every 2) as well as give us reason to go back to old discovered locations other than an event. I rarely touch monstadt now unless it's for dailies
One place I kept going in Watatsumi island was that puzzle with the magic square. I was always intrigued since I solved it and the next day, it had another puzzle. Genshin's puzzles have a simple, easy logic. Most are thigns like lights-out in disguise, or use some math pattern, so why not resetting them? Also, there's the 4x of RPGs Quest Design: Exploring, Expanding, Exploiting and Exterminating. Fetch quests are boring because it only has the first two in mind. We have puzzles with big mechanisms, why only use them in their world quests? Why not add for example, hilichurl towers in Kannazuka for us to destroy with Kamujima cannons once i na while instead of some boring location. I always feel satisfied when ther are bombs near their camps, let me bombard them! Another example: Liyue have the Guizhong Ballista we fixed before, why can't we have an "archery" puzzle where we aim it the furthest possible? Some peoople already do with archers, so why not make with the ballista into an actual minigame? One example of minigame they didn't do well was the tracking part of weekly "boss" commissions. We just Elemental trace things, find a random ass light and Paimon reiterates the strength and weakness of the boss we already saw. Why not make it so by only finding these places, not by elemental trace but by real items( Or use it like Witcher 3 uses, where sound and sight also helps with tracking) we can pinpoint the enemy location and it's weakness, so we have plenty of time choosing what characters we should use at this time, and make the boss actually hard, like a world boss like Regisvine or Hypostasis, or even put a Regisvine or a Hypostasis, maybe two at once for a real challenge.
I think they unknowingly tested this out with the bounty system in which there is a boss that is stronger than usual that takes increased damage from x source and is immune to y source of damage. The reason the bounty system was unpopular was that it was tedious and so they revamped it in inazuma. The problem then arises for those who have already unlocked the wings of all regions as there is no incentive to continue doing bounties. Additionally, to those of us who are looking for endgame content, the mobs in bounties are simply to weak. Overworld mobs just aren’t threatening, and that extends to those with a bounty. This brings me to how they could implement this system into the game. Pokepark is an extremely underrated game but there is a clever idea that could be implemented here which are their minigames. For context, pokepark is a Pokémon theme park (with only pokemon no people) and each park within the park has its own theme (i.e. the meadow zone, beach zone, iceberg zone, lava zone, haunted zone, etc.) and within each zone there were pokemon that led attractions that were in theme with the zone. In the beach zone Gyrados ran a swimming race, in the meadow zone venusaur ran a vine swing. And then there where miscellaneous attractions like Rhypherior’s beyblade battles. There were leaderboards and rewards for using certain pokemon for events and reaching certain scores. The Windblume festival had an event where mona scored x in the challenge and klee scored y and we were trying to beat those scores. So what if there were npcs throughout mondtstat that held little minigames such as glide in this race and another that was fight these mobs that are immune to all damage but anemo, and another that was immune to anemo, or only use mondstat characters, or only 4 stars, or only c6 characters, and some were time trials and others were sustaining challenges. Then they could have a mock scoreboard of use x mondstat character and get this score. And then there was a scoreboard that tracked your own scores, another that tracked your friends, and another that tracked the entire servers. And it would help bring endgame content, it would incentivize building more characters and would be a way for players to compete with each other that doesn’t require c6r5 because you’d be competing with your friends and for those who want to try and maintain the number one spot they can get a trophy to put in their teapot and it would say “number 1 spot in Mary’s anemo challenge from 12/6/2022 15:06:34-12/6/2022 15:08:37.” And there will always be people who will prioritize one event over another so those who have xiao will really focus on the anemo damage attraction because they have the only anemo dps while those who have itto will focus the geo attraction.
As a busy person, Genshin now is full of content to me because I can only play game for around one hour every day. And I love that Genshin never lets me lost any primogems, then I don't need to spend too much money for my favorite characters. I can save primogems and wait for my children (I'm a kind of mama fan, not looking for husbando or waifu in this game). But I cannot get that many rewards with some other online games if I only take an hour everyday to play. Before Genshin, I usually play offline games, which have fixed content and no new event or new stories until their new released game packs. Somehow, Genshin gives me enjoyable experience with online game. And in my opinion, Genshin's story telling and world design are really good. I just hope that I can have more time to explore Teyvat every day.
Nearing the end of the video you mentioned using mechanics with types of dmg like physical, ranged etc. It literally already exists in Honkai in the form of weathers per abyss cycle but I don't get why they don't do it in Genshin
Absolutely no weather in this game. Because of that, you literally are forced to pull the newest shiny character and their weapon at the minimum in order to keep up in Abyss. And if you can’t keep up, you get less Crystal rewards. It’s cool in theory but the way it’s most likely going to be implemented is going to make this game not so f2p friendly anymore
I enjoy the game first because of twin story, but now I mainly stay for the gameplay and team building. I want to spam ultimates against tons of mobs, but we don't have that. Vibro-Crystal Research was the first event I really loved, we need more like this.
whew, a really nice video, thanks~ perhaps the peeps at hyv can add some sort of boss rush as well? perhaps you have to go in with one team or even one character, with little to no healing between every boss(similar to kirby game’s arena)?
The only difficult thing i remember in Genshin was the first time we have to fight Ei i just kept on loosing to her so i went and worked on my characters for 2 weeks and still i defeated her just by the edge
What if there was a smaller version of the spiral abyss (by smaller i mean only 1 or2 floors) where it reset practically every 1 or 2 days with different mobs and bosses and you could see who got the highest "points" in your area/region- i think that is something players would log in everyday for
i think one of the things they can do is make some of the events permanent, like the combat focused ones with endess waves of enemies but you have only certain amount to defeat them but also more co-op/interactive events and activities like windtrace and obstacle course build so there's insentive to do fun things with your friends. the lack of permanence is one of the biggest issues for me with this game.
I can't fathom why we don't have more costumes in game. Like friendship 10 with a character should unlock some sort of perk. Even a crappy one. Like take for instance having Fischl and Bennet in a bog standard adventurers uniform. Lisa, Kaeya, Jean, Eula all in your average knight's outfit. It wouldn't be hard to do. Then for the archon having them in their archon type outfit (venti with wings, zhongli with his hood, raiden with the hair down). I agree with dungeon style content with guaranteed good drops, like an elemental cup with 2 selectable sub stats or a billet etc. You could even have special team combos outside of the elemental resonance. Like 4 Liyue characters gives an extra bonus or a Knights of Favonius special or outsiders buff (shenhe, kazuha, beidou - people that felt like outcasts in life). They could do match-ups? Abyss shadow fighting or something. Their characters look like shadow forms of their characters to the opponent and you go 1-1 with another player with a party of 4. It wouldn't be lore breaking really if it was set in the abyss saying it draws memories from the traveller about their companions. Or it's some kind of nightmare dimension or something where the MC has to fight against their friends. I really do believe artifact farming shouldn't require resin. It's like the only thing worthwhile doing in the game when you've completed everything but it's all resin gated.
Ngl dude I love your videos as you raise problems found within the game itself while also providing viable suggestions in a clear, concise and constructive format. Gotta love that smooth voiceover as well :P . I hope your channel keeps on growing and subs keep increasing!
YES!! It'd be so interesting if we had weekly bosses or whatnot, to highlight 1 character. As you said, maybe Yanfei, maybe Razor! The character and combat design is amazing already, we just need some stupid thing to fight it with.
Every Genshin content creator have come with suggestions of some kind of endgame content. What I really want to know is, from a game developer perspective, why MHY doesn't make real endgame content and what they have to gain from not doing it so.
@@SeravySenseirewards for what if there's nothing to do with them? They are so cheap with rewards in this game that they could make much more content with rewards that it would still amount to barely nothing.
If their graph for profit is still going up or is consistent with their expectations then that tells them that players are happy with how things are. No point in fixing what's not broken. This is made worse by a community with no expectations for Mihoyo. Things are fine, just play casually, is what people are saying. So Mihoyo don't feel the need to improve on anything.
Genshin needs more content im not even looking forward to 2.7 at this point cuz its going to be us making our own build a bear workshop instead of content players can actually enjoy
Its obvious to anyone who thinks about this game's design for a second. What's the point of building up a team and leveling them up if there is an extremely small pool of satisfying things to use them on?
Co-op. Co-op is what I do after I’ve finished everything, it can be dumb but fun or you just learn more bc the person that’s world you joined is smart. I understand that many ppl don’t like co-op but I love it, wish there was pvp or a special domain you could do tho
Amazing Video with an essential discussion but I have a question. Am I the only one who thinks the lack competitive or capable 4 star dps' is problematic? Some Genshin content is element specific and 5 star characters don't come often for f2p or Newer players. The most meta teams use a 5 star main dps and very select 4 stars with "broken" utility or specific synergy (Like Bennett/Xingqiu and Gorou/Diona Respectively). This problem is exaggerated by the 4* vs 5* rates of release. Having 5 hydro 5 stars but 2 hydro 4 stars seems problematic when someone just hasn't obtained a Hydro 5 star cause rng. 4 stars are the simple solution.
There’s quite a few, rosaria, kaeya, xiangling, Ningguang, yanfei, just to name a few. Even fischl, although she’s weaker as a dps imo. it’s no surprise that a 5 star dps will be stronger than a 4 star dps, but you can clear anything in the game using just 4 stars. You don’t need the most meta characters or teams Edit: I do agree with equalizing the amount of characters per element for 4 and 5 stars tho. Barbara ain’t cutting it if you need more than one hydro
I personally don't think this is a huge issue. 4* units have a very distinct advantage over 5* units; ease of obtaining constellations. Each 4* unit power spikes different with the amount of constellations, but it's often the case that a c4-c6 4* unit will outperform a c0 5* unit. People are still clearing abyss with 4* only teams so for the time being, I don't see 5*s as being strictly necessary to clear challenging content. That being said, I do agree we should be introduced to a 4* onfield hydro DPS in the future just because it's not in the game yet.
Yeah I can agree with this. While Rosa melt and taser are both quite good teams, that's about all you can do with only 4*s that's capable of clearing endgame at reasonable investment, which I think is a bit sad. People have said that it would be nice if they added some kind of "evolution" potential for 90'ing a character, actually it might be Vars that has a video about this lol, but it would be nice for units that have fallen off the meta or never made it in in the first place got another ability added to make them viable at least.
something that need addressing is the lack of buffs and nerfs to old character the only time they nerf or buff an old character is when it brand new but someone like amber,keqing,sara and traveler never get touched or adjusted
Even spiral abyss is starting to get easy since (as a launch player) most of my well built units that haven't changed much aside from my Raiden and Yae and reworked Hi Tao most of my units I've had for a long while and recently I've gotten 36* or 33* in the past few runs and the only thing that has changed really is how willing I am to do it and actually try to get them
I feel like another issue is how long it takes to build a character, even with infinite resin, the time it takes to grind out all the artifacts, talent materials, weapon materials, and leveling materials takes hours for every character, which you need 4 of. I really want to build ningguang, but building up Ganyu's team has been taking up all of the time i spend playing genshin because gathering all the resources takes so annoyingly long
Is it really progress if enemies become stronger when you become stronger? I've taken my time to upgrade characters and take part in events when they pop up. However, going for maximum rewards in events or in the Spiral Abyss just isn't really worth my time and effort. It gives me more time to enjoy other things in life, like your videos and other games. GI suffers from AR60 being the cap, and at the moment, the serenitea pot undergoing maintenance problem. What are the goals of players after building what they wanted and reaching AR60? I'm on a clear save mode at the moment, with no idea when a character I want will sprout its head. I mean, I want more constellations for my Raiden and Sayu, but that's it. I don't care for all the characters and still have not pulled Razor despite playing for 1.5 years. He is really unseen for me. I play GI for exploration and the story, not to be the best or showing off the biggest numbers. Fore me, it's not a contest. I play conservatively and the way I want. I encourage others to do the same.
I’m also AR60 yet I like that rn I can have a break for whatever reason. I don’t play the game intesive. I’m more worried resin keeps piling up. When I play other games instead
Well explorations the only thing to do in this game.That itself gets very boring after you're done exploring coz the story is absolutely insipid and watery.So you do need more to do to keep you coming back...
While people talk about early game and late game (especially in mmos), few people talk about the mid game of games. The mid game is usually composed of 2 things, the early mid and late mid. Early mid is unlocking new regions, learning the more advanced aspects and becoming average to above average. Late game is tidying things up, participating in things you were looking forward to and the start of the end game grind. The mid game is either the most fun aspect of the game or the most monotonous. Devs every must choose to focus on the introduction or the end game. As the game ages, the inbetween the start and end becomes wider and wider to the point where it becomes a very slow grind to get from lvl1 to lvl 100. That is where i am at. The slow grind to catch up
An interesting thing they do in Honkai is that once you "breakthrough" and hit lvl 81 your whole game changes. Abyss changes, memorial arena changes, you unlock a next phase in enhancing weapons etc. Leveling up in genshin is entirely useless, it gives you pulls and makes open world bosses tankier, that's it. So they can make open world changes to the game and not just abyss type of content to keep exploring relevant.
I have a few ideas for additions to the games content, altered from other gacha games and RPGs I've played. So one could be a sort of monthly changing boss you can grind free of charge, and the reward would be actually dependant on what "phase" you kill the boss in. It drops elemental gear specific to the subsequent phase that was killed. For example, let's say this months (or weeks) boss is Water and Fire. If you get the kill during the fire phase you get a special set that's unique to that boss that has a different effect from the flame witch set. Another idea would be domains that actually require co-operation from other players to complete. Now I don't know how this would be implemented fully but it's just a baseline. Once again, this could add a series of new sets depending on the day or they could be a bit more generous for higher or even lower tier ascension materials.
I can’t say I really agree. I’ve been playing for almost a year now. I have never cleared the spiral abyss. I simply do not care about it. Raids, bosses….I wouldn’t play them even if they did exist, so the fact they don’t doesn’t bother me. What I care about and why I still play is exploration and building characters. I play 2 or 3 hours a day right now. Working on characters so when the next region drops I’ll be ready. The last thing I’d want is for some important item to be stuck behind a raid or something like that. I know I’m probably a minority opinion on this channel but we still exist.
Exactly the same as me. The only reason why I ever did the Abyss was because it was posed as endgame, a necessity with rewards... it sucks. So more combat and co-op and stuff doesn't sound fun. At its core, this game was designed for exploration and character, so there's that. I can't think of a game that is quite the same. Any other game would be burying you in annoying tasks like raids and clans and whatnot to keep you "engaged." If they started doing that stuff, I'm sure it would become discouraging.
Arguably not a minority. It's just people who usually think like you doesn't goes into discussion like this. Most people I know that still play this hardly got enough time to play more than 2 hours a day and when they do they do it casually. The constant gamers usually drop this already or just came back when new region pops out and finish the content in like few hour a day, skipping most thing and minmaxing with guide. I honestly don't understand the point of it, the game is just not meant to be rushed like that, it is designed for several hour max per day for casual, but overall the gamer racer part already got the high of this game back when it's new and couldn't find a way to scratch their itch when at the end they found out it's not for them. People have to admit genshin is not as trash as people make it to be, the have stellar production. Every character have distinct moveset that suit their character, if it's similar they're related in some kind, same with flavor text and world building. Lore peppered everywhere, its rewarding for people that want to went on a discovery and adventure. The music, art direction, animation, voice acting, all top notch. I personally love it exactly because there's a certain bar that makes me play accordingly and doesn't feel I'm missing out much if I couldn't play it. I never finish abyss either it's not my thing. And similar with you I did fighting event just for the primo. I have to admit tho genshin tried to be everything all at one and please every player type, It's the poison they choose
The reason why I haven't hit the progression wall was because I spent months just farming Ascension materials so I never built my characters past a certain power level, I went the widest route possible by farming every character.
The only way events that require characters to be built on the fly would be possible is if they made it so you had enough resources to build a character in a month without using the Battle Pass.
Honkai Impact (another gacha game made by mihoyo) has a much more robust end game. honkai's abyss equvilant resets every few days. They also have another game mode called memorial arena, you have 5 daily attempts and your gaol is to do as much dmg as posible, there's 3 diffrent bosses and your overal points gets calculated for which ranking of loot you get, this also resets evey few days. They also have co op raids that resets every few days. Bosses and abyss have diffrent weathers where diffrent elemetal dmg does more dmg along with other effects such as the boss having sheilds or needing diffrent debufs, this forcses you to build a team to deal with each issue. I really hope genshin gets some more end game conet, it's starting to get really sad
I rlly hope they improve the artifact rng or at least the resin system man cause its rlly bad.. not only u have to find the right set and the main stat u also need to be lucky to have a good substat . Once u got a good substat u need to be lucky that it rolls to the good sub stat . And not only that , u must wait 3h to do 1 domain just for u to get trash artifact then wait for another 3h then repeat 🤣
lol if hoyoverse are busy doing other stuff they always yassify an overworld boss add some special difficulties and maybe like a wave or two of decent mobs (hilchurl, treasure hoarder, etc) before and throw em in another domain for the boss of the month or something--
I wish hangouts would come more often. I really love them. I now just rush genshin daylies to play Dragons Dogma or Monster Hunter. Basically what Genshin does not provide to me anymore.
Horde. Mode. All the good points of combat like mauling groups of enemies, being able to freely construct parties, all without the negatives of SA with timed DPS checks limiting character role options and strategies, stalling enemies, etc. Endless horde mode takes the "bad" point of eventually grossly outscaling all your enemies and turns it into a good point of giving you the chance to freely perform carnage and if it scales it also adds difficulty all on its own without having to do the things in SA everyone hates to deal with. Even easy to add scaling rewards.
Genshin is fine when there is interesting content and if you're doing other things on the side, I really look forward to settling in with the game for a weekend after travelling for work. I'm so keen to find out more about the story and explore new regions but gameplay is a bit meh, once you've mathematically optimised builds, you're just going around for fun until it's not fun. I actually got some other RPGs on special at the PS Store and they're a lot more engaging compared to Genshin now. Genshin feels like a chore since I'm saving for something interesting.
One thing I really want for Genshin that I just realized is raid boss. Seeing raid boss from another game or even from anime like sword art online looks so fun.
I remember being so confused when the Adventurer's Handbook stopped giving goals to follow. That was a nice accomplishment system because it actually gave more rewards than achievements and encouraged me to build my units.
Oh yeah, i think they should increase that! but by now we all prob wouldve finished it right when it came out.
I like handbook too, though feeling compelled to raise artifacts, especially in the early game when your artifact collection is probably not very ideal, doesn't feel amazing.
@@Sanguimaru its not really that big of a deal since u can always recycle them as xp
It’s literally SO EASY to just add a ton more levels that have very difficult but achievable goals with increasingly better rewards why can’t they just do that instead of shit like fishing and the teapot which only a very small margin of the player base actually find fun
It would’ve been cool if they’d released new chapters for Inazuma and new chapters for every region after. They missed a good opportunity there
Here's the problem with Genshin Impact endgame: besides Spiral Abyss, which resets every 15 days, and events which have just gotten worse since last summer (less co-op, more repetitive mechanics, etc.), it has no endgame. It needs permanent activities and quality of life improvements to be fresh and interesting again. Grinding for characters is still fun to me, but is not enough anymore.
it has no endgame because * drums roll * is not finished. There is literally no game that lets you access the elite/secret boss, final dungeon, elite dungeons for raids etc. before the actual end. Did we defeat the final boss? No. Is the story finished? No. Are all regions released? No. You want hard challenges? Play another game that is fully finished or be creative and try to face a boss fight with a level 2 Amber. The issue of Genshin is not the lack of "endgame" but the lack of game itself that doesn't allow the player to go through the stories that matter the most while dishing out irrelevant events and puzzle solving.
@@RejectedInch They’re almost on the fourth region. That is not new by far. Also, why is endgame suddenly tied to the progress of the full story? Are you going to tell me with a straight face that an AR60 player isn’t in endgame at all? It would be relatively easy to add permanent things besides the Spiral Abyss. Heck, there are many options that have been shown in events that would be great for permanent content!
@@RejectedInch NO EXCUSE. Other live service games make raids or content for casual and hardcore players as they go that stays they don’t all just wait ten years for the end lol imagine MMOs doing that
@@RejectedInch The answer is more simple; there is no endgame because Genshin is a very casual friendly game. The game is designed to be played in short sessions during the free times in your schedule, you aren't supposed to play for hours every day. The mayority of players don't care about meta, artifacts or even the Abyss. This might be a hard pill to swallow for some people but if you are feeling frustrated with the state of the game, you are the minority and you aren't the main target audience.
Facts. The bad part is if you post this on Reddit you get flamed by people who supposedly only have 30 seconds a day to play video games. Then there is the “Genshin isn’t for you. It’s for casuals” crowd which is just such a stupid argument. Who says casuals can’t enjoy endgame content besides the fact that meta / hardcore always drives a player base via carrot on a stick.
The resin system needs to be revamped by removing it from some bosses and allowing you to farm resin. The domains can be fixed by allowing you to keep going with leaderboards and increased rewards (still locked behind resin as you will eventually lose), unlimited scaling spiral abyss, league play where each month resets.
This came at probably the best time. Due to the whole Covid situation in Shanghai, an event was subbed out for liben,the livestream preview has been delayed reducing the mothly exposure/ excitement for upcoming charcters, weapons and events.
Spiral Abyss reset is tomorrow, but it has been discussed before that SA is not a fun endgame content, you do spiral for the primos and once you get them the majority of players wait for the next reset.
This leaves only with serenitea pot as endgame content, however with this patch, teapot has been disabled effectively reducing the amount of activities you can do.
There needs to be something to keep player focus, a huge selling point is the exploration. However, once the exploration of a new area and related quests are done what then?
Granted there are many lore material, mysteries to solve and theories but they are locked behind reading. Which the majority are probably not interested.
Genshin's last selling point is to utlise combat system,but as mentioned SA is not fun and farming routes or domains becomes boring once you have enough materials or the horrible RNG knocking in to say hi.
Basically at the end game, players just do not feel rewarded with the work they put into the game, and there isnt that motivation to continue playing when nothing is happening in the coming days.
Bruh this , I think what they need to do is going back to the drawing board and rethink stuff.
A.) Let players choose their world difficulty, lvl 100 enemies should be the norm after AR 58. Like wtf.
B.) Add a gear scoring system and an appraisal system for the love of god , make domains super hard and the timer to 40 seconds. An AR 59 player has the same progression curve as an AR 55 player like wtf are you on about. It should be easier to snipe artifacts later.
C.) Add a arena mode , tower mode and a boss rush mode. Thats rpg 101. LOLZZZ
D.) add themed domains and assets and recycle the mobs. Add a cash shop so we can purchase artifact strongbox's lol.
@@abhiss6705 lv 100 should be the norm at lv 57 imo. I was already bored of WL8 once I hit AR 56. And Im a low spender, mostly welkin and BP only.
"Basically at the end game, players just do not feel rewarded with the work they put into the game." Took the words right out of my mouth.
I haven't played that many gachas, but it was clear as soon as I hit Ar 55 (AR 59 now) that Genshin has an underwhelming and unrewarding end game. Unlike other games (in general, not just gachas) Genshin has never incentivized players for spending countless of hours into the game.
At AR 55+ nothing is new, the drop rates for mob materials aren't increased, you unlock no new domains that give better rewards, etc. Basically, there's no merit to progressing, and any progress you make after AR 55 is meaningless because the rewards are just a single standard pull. The only thing that's left for you to aim for is Spiral Abyss, which isn't fun as many players have mentioned. Spiral Abyss has the potential to be fun, but at the end of the day, the abyss is either just a DPS check, gear check, or in the worst case both.
The only thing that keeps this game fresh for me is the exploration whenever there's a new area, as the new quests and area are the only content that I enjoy sinking multiple hours into.
@@abhiss6705 Domains should NOT be super hard 😭 We already don't want Abyss not more of it. They should instead be more rewarding like guaranteed pieces or substats. And what does the last part even serve exactly? Nobody really uses the Artifact Strongbox before higher AR's. What they should do instead is add more of it. Nobody runs the VV domain for Maiden pieces anymore, it's not even best-in-slot for anyone. They should just replace the Maiden pieces with another set or rework it somehow.
@@salceds At AR 58/59 most people have cracked accounts who can stomp abyss. SO harder domains makes it more interesting and makes the reward loop better.
Beat this lvl 100 domain in 40 seconds and you get a min CV of 14.1 , stuff like that
Second point , by adding stongboxes for all the sets as part of a cash shop whose points can be earned passivly by non resin activities(weekly domains). You make artifacts more readily available.
Taking your example, would you rather have 6 VV pieces guaranteed , or do 6 runs of the VV domain and get maidens in all of them.
The endgame i expect to see in genshin is the same endgame there is in Honkai.
Honkai started with the infinity abyss, which is multiple floors of enemies to be defeated against a clock, aka spiral abyss.
Then they will probably add a memorial arena : fighting against a singular boss that gets stronger each time you win. The vagabond event is the closest thing we had to a memorial arena.
And lastly an elysian realm aka the labyrinth of warriors event.
Very likely they work on making those events into a form with which they are satisfied to be permenant.
Cool cool, will they get Husk Nihilus though, or a small room with waves of Void Gorgons?
@@Hellothere-ss4jq giving me flashbacks
The Vagabond Event is pretty much what Punishing Gray Raven's Babel Tower looks like, which is pretty much the end game and considered the hardest content of that game. You get to modify the enemies' difficulty by adjusting their attack power, speed, debuffs etc.. The difference is this Babel Tower comes either every patch or every other patch which doesn't take long to return.
I doubt it. They marketed Genshin as a casual game and are pretty adamant about keeping it that way.
i was looking for this comment. idk why genshins endgame is so bad when honkais is so good
The problem is that Genshin doesn't know what it is. Is it a mobile gacha game that has an energy system, limited events, and characters that need plenty of screen time for players to fall in love? Is it an exploration action game, where players want to explore and destroy enemies that requires repeatable difficult content? Is it more of a sandbox game, where you can run around and collect materials, build a home, cook, and chat with characters?
In trying to please so many aspects of gaming, there are inevitably parts that fall off. People complained about the main story in Inazuma, the new player lockout, and the lack of repeatable and/or endgame content. Most updates have several types of events: the main with a great story, a combat based one, and some cute peaceful one. Hoyo is doing everything they can to cater to as many as possible, but they're still trying to figure out how best to do that. (For example, time-gating events annoys players, but not locking them means players speedrun and complain about lack of content) Hoyo is so busy covering every base they can that they're completely missing the fact that everyone is telling them that the it's time to switch sides.
And the mere fact that it's designed as a "Mainstream game"
A lot of PC player expected a fair consumption... And play whenever they want... Not forced to abide the game resources rules
/OUH this!!!!! and it comes to arguments alot, even naming people meta slaves or simps----
like, if you dont like spiral abyss, simp. you like yae's gameplay even its clunky? simp.
you hate kokomi's gameplay? meta slave.
while,,,, the game is just trying to appeal to everyone at once, hence the creation of multiple characters with many niches.
Even the comments section around here is a bit like that:
-I bet you cant clear SA because you're a bad player who's just playing for the waifu, go play Dead or Alive extreme 3 orrrr
- Meta slaves are grinding too fast even tho its not the game for them, go play League.
while im here--- i had both coming at me... why cant i point out the issue in both- genshin is a game that does, to quote that one dude on the internet "a lil bit of everything, all of the time"
I just came up with an idea today. I noticed it was Diluc's birthday. So why not create missions based on each character's birthday, mostly as small cinematics in order to not have monotonous dialogue prompts.
thats not end game. The need to stop wasting time with frivolous things like teapot and hangouts and focus on giving us an endgame worth grinding for. Coz rn there's nothing.
@@RadialSeeker113 It's still a nice idea
I'd like that
@@TheElino you can like that, but it’s literally not the issue that we’re addressing which is problem I noticed with the genshin community, a lot of players are fine watching a 20 second cinematic and sitting through 4 minutes of text boxes. That’s not endgame and it’s very repetitive after a while, why am I building this strong team if all I’ll do is read the dialog
@@Indy2109 I'm not saying it's endgame content
I just said it's a nice idea
that would be nice. more interactions in general with the characters would be nice. like maybe if you get them to lvl 10, you can sometimes find them in random places in the world with missions for you kind of like with npcs rn. ik i'd be more inclined to help fetch something for ayato than save pallad from another group of slimes.
Dude you're killing it with those videos! Amazing work, I'm a very big fan of your channel you deserve a gazillion of subs.
Agreed 👌
This whole issue of endgame content really hurts the game in so many ways,I had a friend who plays genshin and I remember asking him what he's going to do after getting kazuha (kazuha simp for a long time) and he stopped for a second and answered:"I actually don't have any idea"
short-term goals are what the grand majority of players have,so after they're done with it they no longer have something to look forward to,of course those that are here for the end of the story and to uncover all mysteries of teyvat won't suffer that issue,but even they will eventually give up and might quit completely.
Tbh, I think if they were a little more upfront about what characters are coming out in the future and what their general abilities/skills will be (even if not the specific numbers/details since those can always change), then players would have more goals to do. Most of what I do on any given day is pre-farm for future desired characters.
I’m AR60 more like.I’m more afraid when other games have no roadmap to look forward too. When Genshin did show chapters of Teyvat. It’s where I know I can wait when the time comes than none.
You nailed dude, this is why I dont pre-farm the materials for a character that I like. Because if I farmed in advance, I will lose reason to play the game in the first place.
And as an AR 35 player who savors all their quests this is exactly the reason why I play Genshin more casually and less religiously than some of my friends do. I have better things to do in my life and I also want the game to last longer for me, the newer content just makes it more fun to go on side detours.
honestly i am also just farming for kazuha and saved primogems for months . after i get him i have no desire to play . i dont want to collect all 5 star bec i have no interest in doing chore everyday .
Been playing since launch and I have to agree. Started the game with quite a few friends but now I'm the only one that still plays, if logging in for 20 minutes, do my dailies, and log out, even counts, outside the occasional events and abyss. And honestly I can't blame them. There's nothing to work towards. We have all these characters and equipment but there's no sense of progression towards anything after a certain point. I don't like how every update only focuses on temporary events. Some permanence in these updates outside new gacha items that end up being temporary until they rerun anyway would be nice. Not to mention most events in my opinion outside the exploration ones are just, recycled events. It could be a rerun event like mechanicus or just another arena event with a different name but the same idea.
I still do look forward to when Sumeru comes but if it's still the same old for another year, not sure how much longer I'll stay. I only get to have fun every what, 16 days, for awhile in spiral abyss and then that's it. Exploration is a one time thing. You can't experience it again because you can't undiscover what you already found. Which is why it amazes me people still defend the lack of endgame and one of the reasons is "go explore". Exploration is finite in this game. I still like this game, but how I feel about this game can only carry so far until even I find it meaningless to go further with it. I gave it over a year and a half, and soon to be two years. But hey, if there's no reason to continue, no harm done. I'll just spend time and money elsewhere, hopefully in a game where I can enjoy playing with my friends.
We have different friends lol, mine all log in power day, I'm the one who just logs in certain days for my Welkin
@@ROMVS .......well....maybe his friends actually exist and touch grass? idk man...i do not have friends who are as degenrate as me. But lets all be very real...sumeru aint gonna bring shit...watch it literally be another inazum situation, I bet you that.
I feel like most of the issues people have with lack of endgame is playing genshin as an mmorpg when I at least don't think of it as one. I just think of it as botw whose lore and world keeps getting bigger with ever expanding cast and playable characters. The grind is optional and I just do it as it is very quick and I get more primos to be able to roll on new characters that interest me.
If you are only looking forward to Sumeru I do recommend just taking a break from the daily grind if that is making you lose interest, though even if you do lose interest, not like you have to stop playing forever you could still login for when new areas/story come out, which I personally feel is the best way to play the game.
@@Pohatarunic6 ....but the way you think it does not change the game...it is still considered widely as a mmorpg and whether you like it or not, many people are not casual with this game and are quite the hardcore gamers who are not being catered to meanwhile the casual players are being one sidedly being catered to....so eventually its gonna explode, and if the game is fine with having one side leaving then fine, no need to change anything major. but if it wants to keep a majority of it happy then it has to find some happy meduim.
@@Pohatarunic6 yeah dude many people still thinks it's a MMO which idk why
Crazy thing is that Honkai has all of this stuff. Leaderboards, content that requires different elemental, physical teams and supports, etc. They know what kind of stuff they can add, they just don't have a reason to because they're getting the money anyway. Also, this game is catered to casual players, so I doubt they will add too much difficulty or competitiveness. They should go Honkai's route. You're given a choice of whether you want to be ultra competitive and swim with the whales, or stay where you're at with some competition. But sadly, they have no incentive right now to add anything, as people have no issue giving them money while getting no permanent content in return.
If you think rolling for cancer movesets or badly designed bosses to topscore is a really good thing or even fun, I can only say there's something wrong with your line of thinking. And its also a way to mihoyo introduce and justify powercreep because just like in honkai, they can control the meta in many ways by doing that.
You can see on honkai how they release weapons and characters LITERALLY DESIGNED to trivialize mechanics of MA and abyss in their kit, giving them a sense of necessity for players who care, and the ones who don't have to go thru shitty RNG and badly designed traffic light bosses. Please do not suggest such things.
If this would happen with genshin I'm pretty sure the community would riot because it'd be very easy to connect how they could do cash grabs by artificially making characters necessary, just like what they do on honkai.
@@matheus-sm7860 you exactly described why didn’t stick with Honkai. The boss mechanics looked fun, but you literally need certain characters to have a fun time. It felt stupid on so many levels, that’s why I just did the story up to date and discontinued, despite pulling Mobius, HOT and her weapon, and Fischl and her weapon. I just pulled without a care in the world.
@@matheus-sm7860 Oh no theres a new meta valk that released, its not like theres multiple alternative I can use and still be as effective and even then its not like I need to be at the very top to get good rewards.
I dunno your experience with Honkai, but I think its not much. I'm a level 88 captain at the endgame, and let me tell you, its nothing like you say, if I don't pull the latest valk my ranking does not drop, I do not have more significantly more difficult fights. I'm not even the most skilled or the most well equiped out there. To do well requires a understanding of the game's mechanics, something the latest fully geared valkyrie doesn't get you.
Iirc, there was a dev interview a long time ago and they said they don't have any plans for PvP content. I think this is the reason why we don't have leaderboards like honkai on Spiral Abyss.
@@randomguyblank1616 Sorry for the Seething, but i think you have absolutely 0 clue of what youre talking about.
Ive been playing this game for 1230 days at this point, and if you deny that , Benares, Assaka, Higo, GK, and even Jizo (if you use NS for example, optimally you need to roll that 3 hit combo on the beginning and evade the last atk with her to get the bonus crit rate that she gets from evasion, if you dont do that, YOU WILL SCORE LOWER, SO its RNG IN A WAY) that weird boss with paralyze field that's RNG as fuck are shitty bosses when you DO NOT USE what hoyo wants you to use to top score, you'll spend at least 30 mins to an hour rolling for either moveset or chaining an action (evade) that increases your damage or trigger time fracture on memorial, and completely out of your control, and reliant on RNG.
I've been literally scoring 30.5 or 31K or more literally every week on my 1st tries just because i have the herrschers and the latest characters. And before that ive had only the free characters to use until i got memento and HR.
Have you even tried ROLLING HoS Schrodinger on Jizo? How dare you to not call it a RNG fest when schro t by itself is RNG?
Have you tried using PX+Roza+Flamescion without full gear on BKE? Lemme tell you, YOU CANT SKIP THE TRAFFIC LIGHT PHASE if you dont have full gear, so you have to do the 2 blocks and ult in the beginning, and HOPE in the 2ND rotation for her to use the explosion move for you to timelock with PX, otherwise, YOU WILL WASTE TIME, and your score will be either 30,983 or 30,8, just BECAUSE THERES A HUGE LAYER OF RNG if you literally dont own her gear. Last time i spent 1:30 mins rolling for this, and a player on Global server tried the same thing and it took an literal hour to replicate it. I have the video if you doubt, but its not that i care anymore.
Have you tried using memento vs higo or vs GK? Have you even tried to use tripple newtons and fail miserably every single time just because your weapon active didnt hit because of one factor out of your control, and losing 3 to 5s in the process?
Have you tried using WD + HoR + Roza on Higo even once (you need to roll for it to stay in the wall and chain time fractures in the wall and hope the aggro doesnt go wrong otherwise he'll zoom to the middle of the map. Is this even skill? Are oyu serious?
Have you tried breaking Assaka's Arm with DP+LE+HotF using kikaku, just to see how many tries it takes just because YOU NEED IT to keep one of its arms down (and you probably know he doesnt stop moving? (lemme tell you, even the promalders take at least 3hrs to make this work).
"if I don't pull the latest valk my ranking does not drop"
Heh, i dont mean to be elitist here, but last time i checked my RL emblem it was 580 days, or 83 retentions or so. Even if drop this, it'll still last a long time.
Could you tell me how much time you've been playing and if you even retains or promote from redlotus time to time?
" I do not have more significantly more difficult fights.~
Honkai IS NOT A MECHANICALLY HARD (or even hard) game to learn, and theres no difficulty on killing literal punchbags, the difficulty there, the difficult part on that game is replicate the same scenarios that you see on youtube or bilibili where they rolled optimal moveset or rotation that have one or two elements out of your control.
But ill give you that the new bosses are telegraphed and as long you know the 2 or 3 starting moves, the score will always be similar, so its a SMALL layer of RNG. An example of that are the two quantum bosses that have 3 starting moves, and one of them (the long one is the optimal one to chain multiple time fractures, BUT OF COURSE, if you use the quantum characters designed to kill them, you`ll not have to care about this because the mechanic is shortened with the press of one button.
Have you even tried killing Rimestar without DA or SoS? Are you even aware how many tries are needed to do this with suboptimal characters? Can you even try killing rimestar with HoS without SoS without spending a LOT of time to get an actual good score (30 or 31K)?
~ To do well requires a understanding of the game's mechanics, something the latest fully geared valkyrie doesn't get you.~
Heh, It has nothing to do with skill, its about making a fair design or something that would actually make the players feel rewarded upon doing some actions in the game, for the most part the boss design of honkai is just bad because there's a lot of things that you can stop and say "why is this there" "why do i have to do this to short out a mechanic" "why do i have to use x character otherwise i wont do damage because this character have a huge buildup (trauma or sp, nowadays, though it happens, even moveset) to actually do damage (i just gave you an example with SoS) its just unfun and not even rewarding. Its just bad.
Did i just said i`ve been scoring 30-31K on EX Memorial almost every week on my 1st tries almost every week? Last week i got 103K on memorial in the last day and didnt even rolled for moveset. (and enabled the buff mode because i dont care anymore). (scores were 30.5, 31.1 and 42K.)
Rewatching it now that devs said they won't add any combat ones.
The sad part is, is that Mihoyo knows this. They know all of this, but they've been delivering the minimum viable product for a year and a half, because they can. The people who log in just to stare at their characters are few, but they are very vocal, and love to abuse the word "toxic" to label anything even remotely critical of the game. They completely stifle and shut down any discussion that isn't endless praise of the game, valid or not, to the point that people frustrated just get burnt out and quit. I haven't done commissions since 1.5. I haven't spent resin in 2 months. I only log in to clear SA and wait until an event is fully unlocked then blitz through that too. I'm barely holding on at this point.
True...
you havent done commissions in over a year? thats gotta be like 20k primos youve missed out on. if you dont care, you dont care, but i wish i could have them instead loool!
@@Nunazac mental sanity is more important than a few pulls
Yup, because they can..because their figures shows that they can afford to
@@Nunazac I did a few for Inazuma and I'll do enough to unlock new story chapters, but that's about it. It helps that I only pull on units I want and I've had pretty good gacha luck. And while true that I will never get those primos back, the world's longest "honeymoon period" has to end eventually, and then it should make getting characters, cons, and weapons exponentially easier. Sales gotta die down first tho. Not worth the effort with the current system.
The Labyrinth Warriors event was timed endgame stuff imo. It's the perfect blueprint for a bi-weekly or monthly challenge progression to do something extra
I'd rather it weekly like Honkai's version of Labyrinth (ER). No more every 2 week stuff. Even abyss in Honkai resets every 3 days instead of 2 weeks. That's too long.
There is so much they could do
-Change resin massively
-Buff old characters
-Add more endgame
-Add chest respawns
-Qol changes like Insta boss respawns
-More skins (easy way to make money that isn’t gacha oriented)
-Make co-op systems better
-Offer more rewards to dedicated players (High AR people and stuff like anniversary)
-become more RPG/open world focused
-change daily activities/rewards
-add new artifact substats
-Make co-op more interactive (like mini emotes and dialogue things)
-Focus on finishing older characters stories (like Qiqi or Diluc) rather than spamming new ones like yelan
-Add an option to select and matchmake with similar language players (Eu server could use this a lot) I see Russians everywhere
-focus more on general content like fishing, exploring, gliding challenges (currently they are irrelevant mostly)
-Add new raid style domains for co-op (this is the sort of thing I expected before I got genshin)
-Add skip tickets for people who don’t have time or are lazy
-focus less on mobile storage and just go all out like bringing back the GAarchipelago
-Actually listen to the community feedback for once
-Make fun events like windblume games and windtrace permanent/weekly activities in a rotation
-Update adventure handbook
-Update battle pass weapons
-Add a co-op horde mode with 100 floors
-Bring more pets and gliders
-Make healers more important than damage for once
-Give a reason to explore old locations
-Add co-op public events like destiny
-LET US PET ANIMALS
I could go on and on
Some of these things probably aren’t even hard to add and could hugely improve the quality of the game
I agree with chest respawns. Well, I agree with most of it, but seeing those little boxes gets you excited to get to it and do the thing you have to do to open it. Even if the respawns dont give primos or other resin items (XP books and skill scrolls), its just the fun of collecting it that I enjoy.
@@Nunazac exactly
NO SKIP TICKETS. Let's go back to full manual gacha farming like back in pre-2016 gacha games.
@@digichu007 I don’t really personally need skip tickets but farming on genshin with this amount of resin is hardly possible anyway
Well, sadly only devs knows, and their databases. Only thing I know the type of content this game pushes are meant for casual alike.
Those surveys over the years. Earns what majority players would like to see. Hence applying nonsense content to a game. Can deter time spent creating content for the majority of the players.
We’re talking 6 wks per update. That’s too short. Games in this day & age can take huge contents for 4-12 months in general.
Games such as ToF or MMO RPG. I unlikely would play as I retired 10k hrs wasted playing Destiny 2 and Warframe. I work and only play Apex and Genshin.
Vars : Endgame content is critical 😡
MiHoYo: Yeah, about that ... 💀
The biggest problem with Spiral Abyss is that it keeps getting harder every time a new version comes out. For veterans who have already beaten Abyss, that's fine because they now have a reason to get stronger. But for new players, the gap from starting out and getting into the endgame keeps getting bigger and bigger. This is obviously an increasingly serious problem.
The biggest mistake Mihoyo keeps making is that they don't offer any substantial intermediate challenges for players. *Instead of adding new and harder levels to Spiral Abyss, they just keep buffing the existing ones.* When Spiral Abyss is a challenge that seems ever more distant for new players, then what is their actual incentive to grow a strong team? Why should I grind every day when I'm only served a drip-feed of content that only rarely resembles the action I hope to see in level +10 Spiral Abyss some distant day?
@Eko The difficulty might fluctuate from version to version, as well as depending on your team. But the general consensus is that there is a clear rising trend in difficulty.
i really agree lol, when the game in early release, there is just fatui and shield hilichurl at floor 12, they are really lacking ideas right now and only know make things harder
i wish they make another challenge for us who play for a long time and get 36 stars, its boring, boring af that it had to stay like this for a long time
but the thing i dont like the most that spiral abyss can make our hard earned primo useless cause not all character can be use, for example, venti vs big enemies, freeze team vs bosses spending money on those character and end up not using in the only end game we have right now in few patch is really hurt
Lol no i started my second account as f2p in 2.4 Already ar 45 and have 31 starred abyss. 36 ain't too far away. Just need like 4 weeks of artifact farming
@@RadialSeeker113 why would I *want* to farm for a month?
Uh it isn't actually like that??? I was a new player once, and last month I was able to complete abyss 36 stars finally. I worked for it tho. You jsut can't expect newbies to beat abyss just as everyone else who are veterans or 1st day players. Like what's the point of getting characters, raising them???
Real problem is the goal of making players login every day. Playing same single-player game forever just doesn't work in terms of player enjoyment. There is only so much depth to explore.
Gacha (or really any game-as-service) monetization necessitates anti-fun features (massively padded progression, forced daily logins to inflate retention, etc).
Worse, you have to login twice a day if you want to maximise your resin because of the stupid 160 resin cap.
@@Ayasegaki why maximise resin, it's no worth the effort.
I agree there really is no reason to make us log in daily vs weekly with the amount of content there actually is.
Just give us a weeks worth of resin and commissions and let us do them at our own pace. Some days I'm busy and not in the mood to play, other days I would happily sit there and do 15 commissions at once. I mean it's not that big of a deal and I'm sure it's even easier for mobile players (I'm on PS4) but it's still annoying.
its legit a skinner box game! and now with the indefinite ayaka update.
I am legitimately surprised we still have no repeatable content that we can grind to get universal stella fortunas. Most gacha games have ways to unlock the potential of your characters without getting duplicates and I think Genshin would really benefit from having that. At least for 4-stars because some constellations are just... too hard to get normally.
Should of kept the Labyrinth warriors event as endgame, make the dungeons rotate with the Spiral Abyss or maybe in the middle of the Spiral abyss cycle.
It's probably gonna be. It's ER in Honkai, but I don't think it's gonna be as hard as Honkai's version if they make it permanent. Labyrinth Warriors (ER) in Honkai is really hard to get all the crystals every week, but it's fun.
I was a day one player but I have taken significant breaks as a result of these issues. I skipped 1.4 and 1.5, as well as 2.2-2.5. While it's refreshing to come back to have some story quests to do, I still wish they'd introduce something more compelling. My absolute favorite event was the Cryo Regisvine co-op boss back in 1.2, even as buggy as it was.
The real problem is that it's too monetized. When you really boil it down the only fun things are getting new characters and leveling them up but both are heavily gated. Even the quest which you can argue is kinda fun if you like reading alot is gated with the stupid keys everything is gated and is slowed to a halt. There's a bunch of content in the game; quests, leveling up characters, getting new characters, hell Even the pot but everything is so gated is the progress is so halted you have no choice but to just log in and do nothing for a week before getting to play just alittle bit of the content.
In my opinion, this is done for monetary reasons, content cost money to make. You gotta pay the artists, designers, voice actors, programmers. And if they allowed you to play it all you probs finish the whole game in a day or two and never pick it up again. And they have to make more content to get you to play the game. This stupid stupid system is designed so you'd stick around more so you fall into the stupid gotcha trap.
for a gacha game that is too monetized it is sure lacking in comparison of other gacha game. there are only genesis crystal topup, welkin moon and bp. I'd say hoyoverse should add seasonal discount sale.
@@smug_slime U mean that genesis crystals become cheaper?
@@smug_slime or rewards for topping up x amount of genesis crystals or topping up x amount of times.. I think thatd be cool especially for low spenders that often buy welkin/BP or even whales
@@smug_slime why add discounts when there are whales who are willing to spend 10+ millions total on a banner. There's nothing to incentivize them to do that. When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line. Unless they get a hit in their sales, they won't change anything drastic about their monetization system. (Well, because it's working :p)
@@johnsanimations2725 now there's a 3 weeks delay it's a perfect time to add sales because there's no character incentive since the only incentive to spend money is to get new characters the next 3 weeks gonna be dry as hell, might as well add another incentive to spend since it's cheaper now.
I think these are a few ideas to add to Genshin
1. PVP, this is a gamemode found in an area which isn't explored too much, or maybe Hoyo can add a new island in Monstadt. Basically it's permanent content where you find people online and take in four party members and battle it out. To make sure characters don't get one shot, every party member gets a massive HP increase, I'm talking like 30-50% increase, that way you can't immediately start a battle with Hu Tao and have your main dps die instantly. No healing items are allowed and revives from barbara or qiqi are still allowed however.
2. Expand on Spiral abyss and character talent/weapon levels. This may be difficult to accomplish but with enough time to work things out with all the characters, the better it may be. Crowns will still be used for level 10, but also for level say 20, maybe 30 if they choose to expand that far. As for the Abyss expansion, a floor 13-24 would help increase how long people play the game (and will help monetarily). Floors 13-20 will be similar to 1-8 but the rewards should be double what they are in floors 1-8 as it is MUCH harder than floors 1-10. And floors 21-24 should give say 250 primos for 9 stars. That'll make the rewards more plentiful and may also be more f2p friendly for day one f2p players.
3. Make some of the old events permanent content for co-op. Events like the one where you made your own domains would definitely help more people play the game for longer.
4. Add an entirely new gamemode. Maybe a legitimate boss rush in the style of spiral abyss. Every boss is level 90 and you get 3 teams, maybe more when Fontaine, Natlan and Snezhnaya release. But once everyone on the first team dies it switches to the second team almost immediately and that continues until you either lose every team, or you defeat the most recent boss. Weekly bosses will be their own game mode. You'll get a lot of primogems depending on how fast you defeated the boss and how many characters died during the fight, but you will not regen HP or get bursts back after each fight.
These are just some of my ideas
I really just wish MiHoYo would announce they acknowledge the issue and they’re working on it. I’d be happy with that for now. Instead, we don’t hear anything about the lack of endgame content that would take far less developing power than entire new zones every patch.
With AR55-60+, Abyss done for the current cycle, no new story/archon/side quest and seasonal/limited events for content padding.
Players are only left with daily commissions and resin burn as end game content since day one of the game until now lol.
But the real problem lies with the players anyways, many are content with what the game has, I remember the issue of the anniversary rewards that were so bad that it sucked balls, but many said it's better than nothing for the "1ST ANNIVERSARY" like really?? So we reap what we sow as a community, we keep on feeding Hoyoverse with millions of $ for every character they release because it seems new shiny characters are better than actual end game content.
At this point I wont expect anything from Hoyoverse to do anything,anymore. What I'm hoping for is for another game from any other company to be released that is enough to stand as a "Genshin competitor" hope it becomes popular to shake Hoyoverse into a "we have to do something or we lose more players" mode.
I start to think that until the final Archon Quest, we will never have another endgame modality.
I think that for Hoyo "meanwhile we have an unfinished story: Story, SA and eternal farming are enough for the players"
There was so much potential too, you've seen hoyoverse release very interesting events like Labyrinth of the Warriors, Divine Ingenuity which hosted fan base created levels, and The new Hues of the violet garden event which had pretty good mini-games. Problem is, they only stay for at most 1 month and sometimes even less than 20 days like the Divine Ingenuity even which only stayed for 15 days
Both Labyrinth Warriors and Divine Ingenuity could be combined in a single end-game area, with increasing difficulty, procedual dungeons and custom-made puzzle dungeons, each one with different rewards. I see no reason to stick with the outcrops and spend resin there, so why not making endgame content as a way to get mora and xp. Do you need mora? Let's try a dungeon here and win 10k, 12 dungeons later and you played a lot and get the same amount as the outcrop, but had tons of different experiences while playing instead of just one or two combats with normal enemies.
@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person IKKKKK
🌸❤️I love Genshin, but I must say if it’s current endgame, beyond the Spiral Abyss, it leaves much to be desired.❤️🌸
Genshin's End Game has nothing to do with recent Shanghai Covid situation. End Game of Genshin has been brought out tons of time from Old Players, the last “End Game" we have is Spiral Abyss, nothing else. There's no floor added, the HP and ATK of enemies in Abyss keep increase but reward stay the same. No new mechanic for Combat, just temporary mini game that no players care. (Take photo, plant flower, cooking, talk to NPC no one care). The people who make this game is amazing, but the People who make Decision is lacking of business intelligent
For me, the secret is coop, coordination with a team of people feels amazing, i would love to have basically wow dungeons, and yes what (v)cars said about making weaknesses to bosses, add new mechanics, like status on the player's character, for some ideas, an status that blind one character and cant see who are they attacking to, or aoe skills/burst deal dmg to allies, or it links to someone and if the boss is dmged gets transferred to that linked character, 1/2 to the boss, 1/2 to the character so he needs to be healed or even the other way around linked to everyone and heals x2 the amount anyone heals(so if everyone heal 1000, the boss heals 1000x2x4(each character)), changing patterns, maybe instead of doing the aoe near the boss hitbox doing it far, or in segments
One issue I see with this compared to normal games are the rewards. Let's say when you clear a regular game you see if there's a post-game or a way to have a 100% or whatever and you do it if you think it's fun, if not then you just drop it and play another thing. Sometimes you keep coming back to the game even if there's nothing new to do because it is fun (for example I have cleared Donkey Kong Country 2 at 102% several times). In Genshin tho, you keep coming back for the rewards, like, anyone finds the daily commisions fun? Abyss is only a challenge because it has a timer and that makes it more stressful than fun, but we play it for the rewards, so to me it would need a balance between fun/rewards and as genshin is right now it sounds kind of hard. Exploration has the balance imo but they obviously can't keep releasing new areas too fast and even then there are people who get the 100% of a new area in less than a week, sometimes in day 1.
It feels like the best option is just drop it, play other things and come back when there is more content but if you do that you won't have enough primos/exp/mora for new characters.
I don't know maybe it is wrong to compare it to a regular game but I don't know how other gacha handle it neither
3:17 nice transition! lol
as a casual player who's been playing genshin since patch 1.1, i was not really looking for new endgame content since genshin is a young game. now though that genshin is approaching its second anniversary, i would be very surprised if they wouldn't introduce another challenging endgame option aside from spiral abyss by patch 3.0. i would like to have the new endgame content to have an explorable domain with buffs and debuffs (like the 2.2 childe-xinyan event), have endless cycle of random mobs (like the potion event and the vibro-crystal event), can be done solo or co-op, and have trial characters available. i would like hoyo to improve the rewards in the challenging contents too because the fact that you don't even get half a multi in 36-starring spiral abyss is just insulting.
for events tho, i want more events that are like the enkanomiya three realms because exploration gives us something to do in between. also the world of teyvat is very beautiful and the worldbuilding is amazing so to revisit areas and to learn more about teyvat that can't be squeezed in the main storyline would be great.
That is the problem with this kind of game development. I straight up have stopped playing after completing all the stories. Before that I was obsessed with the Story and the Game Mechanics to optimize my characters to their 'best self' but now I have lost complete interest and haven't touched it for 2 months now.
The story continues but at a very slow pace
@@henri2421 That 'pace' kind of kill the momentum of players like me who only maxes stuff out because they wanna play the game and beat the boss while bragging a bit about their build.
@@rikumajumder1558 i agree bro
Nice name
@@KoroneKiris8378 which country you from?
Since I see a lot of Elysian Realm comments I want to add, before ER we had an event called Threshold Breach. Same idea and mechanics just very very watered down. That Breach event reminds me of the event we have now. So, genshin might be testing the waters with these events and figuring how they would implement gameplay like this permenantly.
I feel like we came so close to having progression with the endgame discussion when they gave us the Inazuma dungeons. But as you said, that came and went. If they gave us some hundred floor dungeon like that that made us use strategy to endure and progress, and made it rotate in and out every few weeks, then I think we’d be in a good place. But they are content to make a light game with rotating content. Most of it anything but intense or sweaty.
What I'd really like is a defense/survival game mode where instead of dishing out the most damage, you're goal is to survive the longest. Spiral abyss right now is mainly focused on the offensive power of a team but why not have a game mode that focus on the defensive power of a team
i will have order
Love your content Vars, and I entirely agree.
However, MiHoYo has been getting away with simply rotating events and still raking in stupid amounts of cash. I doubt the endgame will change for a long time, if at all. Here's hoping though!
If Genshin does not take action the game may actually die. Meanwhile with the things happening in Shanghai, let’s pray for the best
idts the game is gonna die, it has its issues but most casuals who only log in for fun with no long term goal in mind don't really mind the flaws. Numbers dont lie and the game has been making big bucks
@@zenox1405 even titans fall. Just look at Call of Duty, Halo, World of Warcraft, PUBG, and many more. Everyone wondered who was gonna be the “x” killer but they ended up killing themselves by not listening to the feedback of the community. They were riding high on their success they either thought they knew better or didn’t listen to the community.
@@zenox1405 the game will die once the game has competitors.
@@adawongz That's why I'm happy that many Genshin "clones" are popping out now. I hope that gives Hoyoverse the incentive to be more proactive and add more interesting content to the game.
@@zenox1405 Game's dead anyways
I'll not put out any names but some time ago I saw a familiar face, a genshin impact streamer, on my rare appearances on Twitch, they were playing Honkai Impact so naturally, being a very big fan of the game, I clicked. I couldn't have entered at a worse time as they were talking about "how bad honkai's endgame player experience is", their explanation being "you have to log in every day to obtain the event rewards" and "the hardest content needs a frame perfect execution to be competitive". This being said from someone who is part of the community that complains about genshin not having enough content. Honkai does require you to log in every day but to give the player an incentive to evolve and receive better rewards from everything there is to play; for example every three days the Abyss resets and it has tiers, the better the equipment and team rotation the higher the score and chance to challenge for the best rewards, and ,to be fair, the "frame perfect" rule doesn't apply unless you spend many thousands of and play for the top 100 on the server for every rotation. If you're a casual/ low spender, you'll most likely have to create your own rotations to fit your damage profile, heck if you have enough understanding of the game you can surpass whale accounts with very little gacha gear.
I'm not saying genshin should be a
FarmFest but I believe more difficult content that requires player engagement on a weekly basis to help would be welcomed by most of the community.
If they do that, they should also make it easier for players to farm. Because everything is capped to an unholy low amount right now.
For example, you need several hundred crystals to level up one weapon to level 70-80, yet you can obtain like 30-40 a day.
If they gave me more pulls for weapons maybe I would have your crystals problem. I have thousands of them even though I never craft them every day.
I like the idea of a global Stella Fortuna. If they could make it something you could only achieve once a month with a spiral abyss-like set up, I'm sure a lot of people will be incentivized to grind for it. But unlike the abyss, which you could easily clear in an hour or so if you got all the right characters, this should be playable more so for as an entire monthly event. Genshin's problem is that its end game content can be easily finished in a matter of minutes or hours and their solution to that problem is to time lock it instead of making an organic progression system.
I really loved Genshin from the start, ever since it was released and I saw it on playstore in my phone for the first time, downloaded it and had the best fun I ever had since pandemic hit. I'd even sacrificed huge storage on my PC just to get a desktop client of the game (it was a low budget kind, but nothing stopped me) . Usually the only games I would play are MOBA multiplayer mmorpg and so, but open world was a whole new experience for me. Until that barrier of endgame updates came. I understand why they preferred to release it in updates rather than a full patch of the game, maybe because of the gacha that will hook everyone up when there's nothing left, or maybe to add new things that would be more likelihood to the community.
I know a lot of other people love grinding and getting their characters very strong and showcase stuff, but I don't consider it as end game, I'd rather have an entire game finished, heck I'll even play just the main quest and then get over it. Well for a few months I tried to hold in the grinding and kept playing but it felt more like chores. Which is the absolute opposite of what games are supposed to do.
I guess I got hooked into the story as well as the characters that I'd even spent more than a dime in any game for the first time. But I just can't go on with this kind of play style anymore. I even thought of playing genshin all over again from the start regardless of completion, or I could wait for the entire story to unfold but it seems so distant that the only option you have is to continue playing the furthest you could get.
Genshin was really amazing for me, but I think I overweighted the rpg here over the gacha. Though I'm finally quitting for good, I'm still grateful it made a way for me to discover other new games.
Remember everyone, it's a game. It might be your life's work, but don't push yourself too much to the point the only entertainment you'll probably get nowadays, especially this pandemic, to become something of a task that you urge yourself to do. Have fun while you're at it.
One correction: Kokomi is still not necessary. People just realised, that she can be a great comfort unit to have (like Zhongli) and her best build works completely different as how the developer intended her to work. Overall she is just lucky to be a hydro aura + TTDS and Millelith bot. Also her healing off-field is worse than Bennetts.
I would like to point out how terribly wrong you are, but I'm not big enough of a fan for kokomi to do that. So I'll just observe and wait for people to see and reply to your comment. And maybe hope for someone who has better understanding of the meta that can enlighten me (and you lol)
idk about your kokomi but mine did 7k per jellyfish tick thats enough to survive. you're right that she's not a must but rather a comfy character to have, and that makes abyss much more comfortable if you put her in the right unit. i still use the clam set on her, with EC and SC that bubble can pop up to 35k every 3 sec. with good rotation and enough er that jellyfish can have 100% uptime so you dont need to worry about dying. the thing about kokomi is that shes the best full time aoe hydro applicator at the moment, you never die when shes in the team. along with sukokomon i tried putting her in the electro charged team with kazuha fischl ayato and it works decently against multiple enemies
@@leoniichan1229 except that everything I said is true. What gives her a niche in meta is her off field hydro application + buffs thanks to the right equipment.
I don't need enlightment, but maybe you can come down from your high horse and learn about the game before writing a pointless comment 😉
u dont even healing in a game as easy as this one. 1k heal every 3 would be easily enough
@@leoniichan1229 Take the L and quit, casual
Great video! I think one of the key arguments in favour of introducing new and more challenging endgame content is that by giving players more reasons to build their characters you are simultaneously also making the existing content more worthwhile & rewarding. Some sort of challenging endgame would synergise really well with all of the existing gameplay which is centered around player progression.
The situation as-is seems more like an anti-synergy than anything else - Genshin is a game built around progression in which progression barely matters! Its strange!
I'm not confident that Mihoyo see it that way though sadly. Have they ever given any indication that challenging endgame content is something they are interested in implementing? Still - I'd love to see it happen!
Playing Genshin Daily at endgame feels like being a soldier in times of peace. We're training everyday for a war that may or may not come. But if it ever does... we'll be ready.
With the teapot housing system, I would argue that it actively discourages the player from having any intrinsic motivation (setting your own goals by being creative, etc.) due the restrictive time-gates on crafting furniture--more so when you're maxed trust rank (or wtever its called). Sure I can see it to stretch out the content while you're progressing through the ranks, but there's literally no reason for it once you're maxed other than the devs bein like, "Here's some permanent content that could potentially create alot more user-generated content which can further market the game on all the socials for free BUT we are doing everything in our power to make you absolutely hate every second you engage with it." ???
ngl man, i'm AR60 and the activities I've been doing in genshin is to log in, do my dailies, spend my resin, and play some events if they're available. of course, I spice it up every monday to do reputation quests and abyss runs every 1st and 16th of the month.
but other than that, everything's so bland and boring. once you've unearthed every secret and explored every region that the game currently offers, there's no reason to play. hell, I don't even visit the chasm, or dragonspine, or enkanomiya anymore unless I need to kill some bosses for ascension mats.
I wish they just made this game instance-based because mihoyo doesn't know how to implement an open-world game system. I mean, once I run out of resin, why should I kill a boss if I won't get anything out of it? I explore the vast open world of genshin for what exactly? am I supposed to kill every goddamn enemy I find? farm talent materials? farm minerals? farm food items that I never use due to how powerful my characters have become?
I visit the knights of favonious hq and never saw jean nor lisa. can't even see barbara or rosaria around the church or diluc in dawn winery. I go to liyue and can't even spot keqing or ganyu. go to the kamisato estate and not even a sighting of thoma.
genshin promised us a vast and exciting open-world adventure but it has become a spineless sham.
I had a hard time concentrating on what you were saying because I kept seeing Beidou burst being used followed by Raiden burst.
6:39 Bro I don't even follow anything Genshin related except for Genshin Impact itself and yet I feel like I've seen every one of those through other retweeting
We've been supporting and playing this game for more than 1 year, this game is not FREE. If you play this game for Free, that's because other players spent money to support this game. When you spent on this game to get a character (Top-Up is Extremely Expensive), then put tons of resin to build them. But in exchange of easy combat difficulty experience and nothing to do in the game. Players constantly gave feedback about combat end game contents and hoping for more, but the Game ignore all these Feedbacks, then give us Mini game that has nothing to do with combat such as planting flowers, talking to random NPC that we don't care, taking photo, cooking, delivery. With these actions, it felt like the Game doesn't care about old players who supported the game, but only care about Casual players
I second this
Welcome to the real world, nothing in life is free
@@samin90 That's what I said, this game is not Free.
@@samin90 but there's a lot of white knight claiming this game is Free and we should be gratitude about the contents we're getting. Which is absurd
@@gordonfoo2416 So that's a big issue with this discussion the absurd assumption that combat is everything and all other interest are lesser or invalid.
You'll notice that when criticism comes up people tend to basically point towards making Genshin PvP P2W or an MMO
So while hardcore player's would enjoy that aspect since the game is meant for a broader appeal your asking a sizable amount of player to be forced into a narrow mindset for your personal enjoyment
Especially without doing the proper work of analyzing the things people outside your group enjoy or the difficulty of applying certain systems.
I would love all World Quest to be voiced but that's permanent content that inflate the game size and can't be removed like language's for Mobile
When you say White Knighting your short handing to "People who tear down my argument" if any person could reasonably give ways to implement content that can appeal to everyone is accessible considers the limit of the combat will never get tiring and uses the games asset's
Great but no one does they throw around P2W or PVP guilds and gated content. They try to break the system and don't understand why something function the way it does if you say "Resin is just a time gate" then you already don't grasp why removing it is terrible
Your thinking surface deep
I venemously hate the abyss. Its not fun, its not rewarding it feels like bashing your head against a wall just to see some stars. The only time I touched it in months was to get more gems for a character.
abyss used to be fun. floors 9-11 were fun bc they were very universal and gave a good indication that you were making progress. but at a certain point it just becomes a matter of "do you have xyz? yes? good. no? you're not getting to 12-3."
I absolutely love Genshin, but I also find myself getting bored of it pretty quickly once I’ve done all the exploring. Exploring is pretty much my main reason for playing this game, it’s my favorite part
I always have tough time when it come to the “end game” discussion. 1.6 was the last time I’ve been completely caught up with all the events, world quest, hang outs, archon quest, exploration, etc. I had beat what was basically the whole game and was waiting per patch accomplish anything new. However, now a days I don’t want to beat all those at ones as I’ll end up in the same boat again where I’m constantly waiting for the next update. But as far as gameplay “end game” I’d love a combat event like Hiakunin Ikki or the Vibro Crystal(especially this one) where. There’s not a time limit but rather a time window, you have three minutes to do as much damage as possible. I know it’ll get stale after a few runs but if you keep up the mundane events like photography and tea pot event having a combat event every patch will keep everyone interested for a bit until an actual game mode or “end game” content is implemented
And I only think of combat as true “end game” because otherwise why are we all spending resin and rolling artifacts to min max our DPS?
@@fine2335 Game play loop that's really it. Example if you removed resin what happens.
Either rates are tanked or your have the freedom to grind as much as possible.
The value of resin is its use as a resource sink. Leveling up characters is consistent.
If you use condensed or regular resin you will always be given a certain amount. The time it takes isn't that long so talents levels, weapon material, ascension there consistent and can be done very quickly
So Artifacts just create an artificial game play loop think about it like Pokémon
Standard level progression gets the job done it. But the Meta is EV and IV training its a game play loop that's mostly RNG
So in competitive play its vital but Only in competitive. Genshin is an easy game and you'll get good artifacts eventually just from boss drops
But for non casuals or meta its just a resource sink like if you have 1000000 Mora your not going to stress about leveling talents or buying things because nothing effects the amount. As a player you have nowhere to use that resource.
Primogen are basically worthless. They have value because people want new characters but most characters aren't really better just niche or a side grade.
But your brain doesn't like the idea of a resources not being used you see that number accumulate just from passive play and so your going to be itching to spend.
Resin stops having a purpose if there's no time sink but removing it means people will basically grind out the content because you've removed the game loop.
Imo, the one that actually holding back the innovation of endgame content is the monetization team. If they're still making a ton of money with the current system then they won't change anything.
Half of the video I didnt know, what you are was talking about, because I was listening my favourite Ori soundtrack :D
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I would love some kind of randomized dungeon or area that resets and lays out differently after a period. With puzzle, combat and even lore rooms connected together in different ways with chests with endgame drops and multiple routes. I think genshin is at its strongest when you are exploring and opening chests with activity and puzzle challenges. Something with repeating assets reused in smart ways with decent reward would have been very good to have had in the game at launch to keep people playing between updates with relatively less work than a whole new area. They could remove resin from artifact domains and use it to pay to force a refresh of the dungeon early or something like that instead. You could get deeper into the dungeon faster with better teams on a run and reach more chests with rarer drops, like transient resin or new items like artifact rerolling mats etc.
There are so many directions they could go with endgame and its frustrating how they have basically done nothing since launch about it. I think they just don't really care because it already makes more money than games that put actual thought and effort into endgame. So they think, why bother? No rush.
I think the end game will be out after Dendro element can be playable. IDK, I mean now the game mechanics are not complete yet, so I hope after the dendro is released they can do provide endless content like dungeons or something similar.
Bro I’m literally so glad for your videos cuz I’m learning video game design stuff from here that I could be spending thousands of dollars on trying to attain and learn in a college class- of course college goes so much for in depth and I’m only 15 and still figuring out what I wanna do, I just like that I’m learning something that I’m so genuinely interested in.
Genshin impact is basically early access or a chapter game. You play with what your given and wait. New characters are theg only reason to do dailies if your not using money
personally i would love to have a mode to fight an endless swarms of all kind of enemies, to see how long i last, and how many a can kill before losing all my characters, or a co-op version lasting until one character die
There is no such thing as endgame content in this game. The true endgame is filing for bankruptcy.
The core gameplay of genshin are:
1) Primo farming - Dailys, Events, Exploration, -hangout, teapot- and abyss.
2) Gacha
3) Character Building - Ascension mats farming, talent maxing, weapon refining and artifact grinding.
4) Abyss
The game is meant to be played as:
Farm primo/whale -> wish -> build that character -> abyss -> repeat
Until you realize that the only reason why you're building your character is so that you can beat mats bosses faster. -Not to farm faster- since you don't have resin to get any reward.
Genshin priorities:
1) Sell you their banners - well yeah... uhh... Duuhh.
2) Keep players playing - the only reason why character building and artifact grinding is f-ing long. So that they can keep selling you their banner until the next banner comes.
The scenario is: while you're farming trash, they would release a new character that will entice you to whale.
3) Don't reward players -
What MihoyCogverse knows and why no changes will ever happen:
1) Despite how vocal the players/content creators are; with their feedback and complaints. Genshin knows that those people are the ones that truly loved this game. They are just passionate to make the game better/to improve it. (Genshin knows you're a tsundere so they just ignore you and abuse you.)
2) Ignore Twitter
3) Artists in the community are free marketing slaves.
4) Toxicity in the community doesn't affect the player's experience.
5) Arknight Endfield, 7DS Impact and Tower of Fantasy are not a threat. Genshin knows eventually that they would have competition but it will be more like how Fortnite and PUBG. Overwatch to Valorant exist together.
6) No matter how wishful you are to the company to be more generous. They are not obligated to do anything since they didn't promise anyone anything in the first place. No matter how dirty clickbaiters are with their lies and fakehype you should filter them out or just completely avoid them. (When mihoyoverse cancels this 420 event they would give more primos. The event: exclusive leyline fragile resin.)
7) The system is 100% complete. Any new content that will give repeatable primo like dailys will absolutely hurt their sale. (No rewards fishing let's go!)
The true endgame content is Divorce Simulator. You the husband and genshin is your wife. She will take everything and leaves you nothing.
The way you said what the true endgame is ☠️💀☠️ facts though
Lmao, it's tragic but yeah... We'll see just how bad it is when they get a proper competitor.
Meta hurts Banner Sales
Work less, profits more!
Instead of spending budget for more content they thought it'd be better to just make progress absurdly long and random.
And lose progress for using a +20 artifacts for a fodder only to turn +16 and less and less...
Other gacha games tend to shower us with characters after characters that they don't need something purely RNG such as artifacts to keep player retention with a sense of progression.
Even though too much characters require lots of budget and would make them more forgettable at least the way I see it that is a better way to keep players busy grinding for progress.
Alternatively, adding a new progress ceiling such as character lv +100 or awakening and stuff could be a good option to be lighter on the budget but still being a new content and more things to do.
I agree with what you have said but the last part. What if you're female does it apply the other way around? It baffles me to add marriage in this incel crap to this topic.
The goal i have in my head is getting Kazuha. I've thought about it today and concluded that I don't know what to do after i get him. I also wanted Ayato but lost my 50/50 to Keqing and I was ok with that because im guaranteed to get Kazuha next. So unless something big happens in genshin after Kazuha comes i might stop playing
Which there is, Sumeru in 3.0
It would be nice if they added repeated weekly content in rotation (like the Olympics. Each season happens every 4 years but you get to watch every 2) as well as give us reason to go back to old discovered locations other than an event. I rarely touch monstadt now unless it's for dailies
One place I kept going in Watatsumi island was that puzzle with the magic square. I was always intrigued since I solved it and the next day, it had another puzzle. Genshin's puzzles have a simple, easy logic. Most are thigns like lights-out in disguise, or use some math pattern, so why not resetting them?
Also, there's the 4x of RPGs Quest Design: Exploring, Expanding, Exploiting and Exterminating. Fetch quests are boring because it only has the first two in mind. We have puzzles with big mechanisms, why only use them in their world quests? Why not add for example, hilichurl towers in Kannazuka for us to destroy with Kamujima cannons once i na while instead of some boring location. I always feel satisfied when ther are bombs near their camps, let me bombard them!
Another example: Liyue have the Guizhong Ballista we fixed before, why can't we have an "archery" puzzle where we aim it the furthest possible? Some peoople already do with archers, so why not make with the ballista into an actual minigame?
One example of minigame they didn't do well was the tracking part of weekly "boss" commissions. We just Elemental trace things, find a random ass light and Paimon reiterates the strength and weakness of the boss we already saw. Why not make it so by only finding these places, not by elemental trace but by real items( Or use it like Witcher 3 uses, where sound and sight also helps with tracking) we can pinpoint the enemy location and it's weakness, so we have plenty of time choosing what characters we should use at this time, and make the boss actually hard, like a world boss like Regisvine or Hypostasis, or even put a Regisvine or a Hypostasis, maybe two at once for a real challenge.
One thing I want: new adventure book chapters it’s been so long
I think they unknowingly tested this out with the bounty system in which there is a boss that is stronger than usual that takes increased damage from x source and is immune to y source of damage. The reason the bounty system was unpopular was that it was tedious and so they revamped it in inazuma. The problem then arises for those who have already unlocked the wings of all regions as there is no incentive to continue doing bounties. Additionally, to those of us who are looking for endgame content, the mobs in bounties are simply to weak. Overworld mobs just aren’t threatening, and that extends to those with a bounty. This brings me to how they could implement this system into the game. Pokepark is an extremely underrated game but there is a clever idea that could be implemented here which are their minigames. For context, pokepark is a Pokémon theme park (with only pokemon no people) and each park within the park has its own theme (i.e. the meadow zone, beach zone, iceberg zone, lava zone, haunted zone, etc.) and within each zone there were pokemon that led attractions that were in theme with the zone. In the beach zone Gyrados ran a swimming race, in the meadow zone venusaur ran a vine swing. And then there where miscellaneous attractions like Rhypherior’s beyblade battles. There were leaderboards and rewards for using certain pokemon for events and reaching certain scores. The Windblume festival had an event where mona scored x in the challenge and klee scored y and we were trying to beat those scores. So what if there were npcs throughout mondtstat that held little minigames such as glide in this race and another that was fight these mobs that are immune to all damage but anemo, and another that was immune to anemo, or only use mondstat characters, or only 4 stars, or only c6 characters, and some were time trials and others were sustaining challenges. Then they could have a mock scoreboard of use x mondstat character and get this score. And then there was a scoreboard that tracked your own scores, another that tracked your friends, and another that tracked the entire servers. And it would help bring endgame content, it would incentivize building more characters and would be a way for players to compete with each other that doesn’t require c6r5 because you’d be competing with your friends and for those who want to try and maintain the number one spot they can get a trophy to put in their teapot and it would say “number 1 spot in Mary’s anemo challenge from 12/6/2022 15:06:34-12/6/2022 15:08:37.” And there will always be people who will prioritize one event over another so those who have xiao will really focus on the anemo damage attraction because they have the only anemo dps while those who have itto will focus the geo attraction.
As a busy person, Genshin now is full of content to me because I can only play game for around one hour every day. And I love that Genshin never lets me lost any primogems, then I don't need to spend too much money for my favorite characters. I can save primogems and wait for my children (I'm a kind of mama fan, not looking for husbando or waifu in this game). But I cannot get that many rewards with some other online games if I only take an hour everyday to play. Before Genshin, I usually play offline games, which have fixed content and no new event or new stories until their new released game packs. Somehow, Genshin gives me enjoyable experience with online game. And in my opinion, Genshin's story telling and world design are really good. I just hope that I can have more time to explore Teyvat every day.
Nearing the end of the video you mentioned using mechanics with types of dmg like physical, ranged etc. It literally already exists in Honkai in the form of weathers per abyss cycle but I don't get why they don't do it in Genshin
theyre already doing it in genshin...except its stuck in the weekly bounties. and despite the limitations, its still laughably easy.
Absolutely no weather in this game. Because of that, you literally are forced to pull the newest shiny character and their weapon at the minimum in order to keep up in Abyss. And if you can’t keep up, you get less Crystal rewards. It’s cool in theory but the way it’s most likely going to be implemented is going to make this game not so f2p friendly anymore
I enjoy the game first because of twin story, but now I mainly stay for the gameplay and team building.
I want to spam ultimates against tons of mobs, but we don't have that.
Vibro-Crystal Research was the first event I really loved, we need more like this.
whew, a really nice video, thanks~
perhaps the peeps at hyv can add some sort of boss rush as well? perhaps you have to go in with one team or even one character, with little to no healing between every boss(similar to kirby game’s arena)?
The only difficult thing i remember in Genshin was the first time we have to fight Ei i just kept on loosing to her so i went and worked on my characters for 2 weeks and still i defeated her just by the edge
And 5 months later Mihoyo comes out and says there will never be endgame content.
What if there was a smaller version of the spiral abyss (by smaller i mean only 1 or2 floors) where it reset practically every 1 or 2 days with different mobs and bosses and you could see who got the highest "points" in your area/region-
i think that is something players would log in everyday for
i think one of the things they can do is make some of the events permanent, like the combat focused ones with endess waves of enemies but you have only certain amount to defeat them but also more co-op/interactive events and activities like windtrace and obstacle course build so there's insentive to do fun things with your friends. the lack of permanence is one of the biggest issues for me with this game.
I can't fathom why we don't have more costumes in game. Like friendship 10 with a character should unlock some sort of perk. Even a crappy one. Like take for instance having Fischl and Bennet in a bog standard adventurers uniform. Lisa, Kaeya, Jean, Eula all in your average knight's outfit. It wouldn't be hard to do. Then for the archon having them in their archon type outfit (venti with wings, zhongli with his hood, raiden with the hair down).
I agree with dungeon style content with guaranteed good drops, like an elemental cup with 2 selectable sub stats or a billet etc. You could even have special team combos outside of the elemental resonance. Like 4 Liyue characters gives an extra bonus or a Knights of Favonius special or outsiders buff (shenhe, kazuha, beidou - people that felt like outcasts in life).
They could do match-ups? Abyss shadow fighting or something. Their characters look like shadow forms of their characters to the opponent and you go 1-1 with another player with a party of 4. It wouldn't be lore breaking really if it was set in the abyss saying it draws memories from the traveller about their companions. Or it's some kind of nightmare dimension or something where the MC has to fight against their friends.
I really do believe artifact farming shouldn't require resin. It's like the only thing worthwhile doing in the game when you've completed everything but it's all resin gated.
Ngl dude I love your videos as you raise problems found within the game itself while also providing viable suggestions in a clear, concise and constructive format. Gotta love that smooth voiceover as well :P . I hope your channel keeps on growing and subs keep increasing!
YES!! It'd be so interesting if we had weekly bosses or whatnot, to highlight 1 character. As you said, maybe Yanfei, maybe Razor! The character and combat design is amazing already, we just need some stupid thing to fight it with.
Every Genshin content creator have come with suggestions of some kind of endgame content. What I really want to know is, from a game developer perspective, why MHY doesn't make real endgame content and what they have to gain from not doing it so.
Endgame content would need to give players rewards. Which they prefer to sell for money. That's all there is to it.
@@SeravySenseirewards for what if there's nothing to do with them? They are so cheap with rewards in this game that they could make much more content with rewards that it would still amount to barely nothing.
If their graph for profit is still going up or is consistent with their expectations then that tells them that players are happy with how things are. No point in fixing what's not broken.
This is made worse by a community with no expectations for Mihoyo. Things are fine, just play casually, is what people are saying. So Mihoyo don't feel the need to improve on anything.
Genshin needs more content im not even looking forward to 2.7 at this point cuz its going to be us making our own build a bear workshop instead of content players can actually enjoy
Its obvious to anyone who thinks about this game's design for a second. What's the point of building up a team and leveling them up if there is an extremely small pool of satisfying things to use them on?
Co-op. Co-op is what I do after I’ve finished everything, it can be dumb but fun or you just learn more bc the person that’s world you joined is smart. I understand that many ppl don’t like co-op but I love it, wish there was pvp or a special domain you could do tho
I always love these videos. Its great to see someone talk about it in so easy to understand ways like the analogy with the dining. Keep it up.
That background cuts with the bursts are really nice
Amazing Video with an essential discussion but I have a question. Am I the only one who thinks the lack competitive or capable 4 star dps' is problematic? Some Genshin content is element specific and 5 star characters don't come often for f2p or Newer players. The most meta teams use a 5 star main dps and very select 4 stars with "broken" utility or specific synergy (Like Bennett/Xingqiu and Gorou/Diona Respectively). This problem is exaggerated by the 4* vs 5* rates of release. Having 5 hydro 5 stars but 2 hydro 4 stars seems problematic when someone just hasn't obtained a Hydro 5 star cause rng. 4 stars are the simple solution.
There’s quite a few, rosaria, kaeya, xiangling, Ningguang, yanfei, just to name a few. Even fischl, although she’s weaker as a dps imo. it’s no surprise that a 5 star dps will be stronger than a 4 star dps, but you can clear anything in the game using just 4 stars. You don’t need the most meta characters or teams
Edit: I do agree with equalizing the amount of characters per element for 4 and 5 stars tho. Barbara ain’t cutting it if you need more than one hydro
I personally don't think this is a huge issue. 4* units have a very distinct advantage over 5* units; ease of obtaining constellations. Each 4* unit power spikes different with the amount of constellations, but it's often the case that a c4-c6 4* unit will outperform a c0 5* unit. People are still clearing abyss with 4* only teams so for the time being, I don't see 5*s as being strictly necessary to clear challenging content.
That being said, I do agree we should be introduced to a 4* onfield hydro DPS in the future just because it's not in the game yet.
Yeah I can agree with this. While Rosa melt and taser are both quite good teams, that's about all you can do with only 4*s that's capable of clearing endgame at reasonable investment, which I think is a bit sad. People have said that it would be nice if they added some kind of "evolution" potential for 90'ing a character, actually it might be Vars that has a video about this lol, but it would be nice for units that have fallen off the meta or never made it in in the first place got another ability added to make them viable at least.
something that need addressing is the lack of buffs and nerfs to old character the only time they nerf or buff an old character is when it brand new but someone like amber,keqing,sara and traveler never get touched or adjusted
Even spiral abyss is starting to get easy since (as a launch player) most of my well built units that haven't changed much aside from my Raiden and Yae and reworked Hi Tao most of my units I've had for a long while and recently I've gotten 36* or 33* in the past few runs and the only thing that has changed really is how willing I am to do it and actually try to get them
I feel like another issue is how long it takes to build a character, even with infinite resin, the time it takes to grind out all the artifacts, talent materials, weapon materials, and leveling materials takes hours for every character, which you need 4 of. I really want to build ningguang, but building up Ganyu's team has been taking up all of the time i spend playing genshin because gathering all the resources takes so annoyingly long
Is it really progress if enemies become stronger when you become stronger?
I've taken my time to upgrade characters and take part in events when they pop up. However, going for maximum rewards in events or in the Spiral Abyss just isn't really worth my time and effort. It gives me more time to enjoy other things in life, like your videos and other games.
GI suffers from AR60 being the cap, and at the moment, the serenitea pot undergoing maintenance problem. What are the goals of players after building what they wanted and reaching AR60? I'm on a clear save mode at the moment, with no idea when a character I want will sprout its head. I mean, I want more constellations for my Raiden and Sayu, but that's it. I don't care for all the characters and still have not pulled Razor despite playing for 1.5 years. He is really unseen for me.
I play GI for exploration and the story, not to be the best or showing off the biggest numbers. Fore me, it's not a contest. I play conservatively and the way I want. I encourage others to do the same.
I’m also AR60 yet I like that rn I can have a break for whatever reason. I don’t play the game intesive. I’m more worried resin keeps piling up. When I play other games instead
Well explorations the only thing to do in this game.That itself gets very boring after you're done exploring coz the story is absolutely insipid and watery.So you do need more to do to keep you coming back...
I think Razor was in the shop last cycle
@@PlatinumLP I'm pretty sure Razor is still in. I at least keep pulling him despite not wanting him
I also encourage players to dive intp the lore. Genshin lore is so vast and there's a lot of content, yet it feels like people do not like reading.
While people talk about early game and late game (especially in mmos), few people talk about the mid game of games. The mid game is usually composed of 2 things, the early mid and late mid. Early mid is unlocking new regions, learning the more advanced aspects and becoming average to above average. Late game is tidying things up, participating in things you were looking forward to and the start of the end game grind. The mid game is either the most fun aspect of the game or the most monotonous.
Devs every must choose to focus on the introduction or the end game. As the game ages, the inbetween the start and end becomes wider and wider to the point where it becomes a very slow grind to get from lvl1 to lvl 100.
That is where i am at. The slow grind to catch up
An interesting thing they do in Honkai is that once you "breakthrough" and hit lvl 81 your whole game changes. Abyss changes, memorial arena changes, you unlock a next phase in enhancing weapons etc. Leveling up in genshin is entirely useless, it gives you pulls and makes open world bosses tankier, that's it. So they can make open world changes to the game and not just abyss type of content to keep exploring relevant.
I have a few ideas for additions to the games content, altered from other gacha games and RPGs I've played.
So one could be a sort of monthly changing boss you can grind free of charge, and the reward would be actually dependant on what "phase" you kill the boss in. It drops elemental gear specific to the subsequent phase that was killed.
For example, let's say this months (or weeks) boss is Water and Fire. If you get the kill during the fire phase you get a special set that's unique to that boss that has a different effect from the flame witch set.
Another idea would be domains that actually require co-operation from other players to complete. Now I don't know how this would be implemented fully but it's just a baseline. Once again, this could add a series of new sets depending on the day or they could be a bit more generous for higher or even lower tier ascension materials.
I can’t say I really agree. I’ve been playing for almost a year now. I have never cleared the spiral abyss. I simply do not care about it. Raids, bosses….I wouldn’t play them even if they did exist, so the fact they don’t doesn’t bother me.
What I care about and why I still play is exploration and building characters. I play 2 or 3 hours a day right now. Working on characters so when the next region drops I’ll be ready. The last thing I’d want is for some important item to be stuck behind a raid or something like that.
I know I’m probably a minority opinion on this channel but we still exist.
Exactly the same as me. The only reason why I ever did the Abyss was because it was posed as endgame, a necessity with rewards... it sucks. So more combat and co-op and stuff doesn't sound fun.
At its core, this game was designed for exploration and character, so there's that. I can't think of a game that is quite the same. Any other game would be burying you in annoying tasks like raids and clans and whatnot to keep you "engaged." If they started doing that stuff, I'm sure it would become discouraging.
Arguably not a minority. It's just people who usually think like you doesn't goes into discussion like this. Most people I know that still play this hardly got enough time to play more than 2 hours a day and when they do they do it casually. The constant gamers usually drop this already or just came back when new region pops out and finish the content in like few hour a day, skipping most thing and minmaxing with guide. I honestly don't understand the point of it, the game is just not meant to be rushed like that, it is designed for several hour max per day for casual, but overall the gamer racer part already got the high of this game back when it's new and couldn't find a way to scratch their itch when at the end they found out it's not for them.
People have to admit genshin is not as trash as people make it to be, the have stellar production. Every character have distinct moveset that suit their character, if it's similar they're related in some kind, same with flavor text and world building. Lore peppered everywhere, its rewarding for people that want to went on a discovery and adventure. The music, art direction, animation, voice acting, all top notch.
I personally love it exactly because there's a certain bar that makes me play accordingly and doesn't feel I'm missing out much if I couldn't play it. I never finish abyss either it's not my thing. And similar with you I did fighting event just for the primo.
I have to admit tho genshin tried to be everything all at one and please every player type, It's the poison they choose
The reason why I haven't hit the progression wall was because I spent months just farming Ascension materials so I never built my characters past a certain power level, I went the widest route possible by farming every character.
The only way events that require characters to be built on the fly would be possible is if they made it so you had enough resources to build a character in a month without using the Battle Pass.
Just gonna leave this early vars voice appreciation comment right here 😌😌😌
Honkai Impact (another gacha game made by mihoyo) has a much more robust end game. honkai's abyss equvilant resets every few days. They also have another game mode called memorial arena, you have 5 daily attempts and your gaol is to do as much dmg as posible, there's 3 diffrent bosses and your overal points gets calculated for which ranking of loot you get, this also resets evey few days. They also have co op raids that resets every few days.
Bosses and abyss have diffrent weathers where diffrent elemetal dmg does more dmg along with other effects such as the boss having sheilds or needing diffrent debufs, this forcses you to build a team to deal with each issue.
I really hope genshin gets some more end game conet, it's starting to get really sad
I rlly hope they improve the artifact rng or at least the resin system man cause its rlly bad.. not only u have to find the right set and the main stat u also need to be lucky to have a good substat . Once u got a good substat u need to be lucky that it rolls to the good sub stat . And not only that , u must wait 3h to do 1 domain just for u to get trash artifact then wait for another 3h then repeat 🤣
lol if hoyoverse are busy doing other stuff they always yassify an overworld boss add some special difficulties and maybe like a wave or two of decent mobs (hilchurl, treasure hoarder, etc) before and throw em in another domain for the boss of the month or something--
I wish hangouts would come more often. I really love them.
I now just rush genshin daylies to play Dragons Dogma or Monster Hunter. Basically what Genshin does not provide to me anymore.
same lol....I just do stuff before I go to bed and speedrun stuff last day(thanks taka gg).
Horde. Mode. All the good points of combat like mauling groups of enemies, being able to freely construct parties, all without the negatives of SA with timed DPS checks limiting character role options and strategies, stalling enemies, etc. Endless horde mode takes the "bad" point of eventually grossly outscaling all your enemies and turns it into a good point of giving you the chance to freely perform carnage and if it scales it also adds difficulty all on its own without having to do the things in SA everyone hates to deal with. Even easy to add scaling rewards.
Genshin is fine when there is interesting content and if you're doing other things on the side, I really look forward to settling in with the game for a weekend after travelling for work. I'm so keen to find out more about the story and explore new regions but gameplay is a bit meh, once you've mathematically optimised builds, you're just going around for fun until it's not fun.
I actually got some other RPGs on special at the PS Store and they're a lot more engaging compared to Genshin now. Genshin feels like a chore since I'm saving for something interesting.
One thing I really want for Genshin that I just realized is raid boss. Seeing raid boss from another game or even from anime like sword art online looks so fun.
they actually can just copy paste guild boss raid like in honkai but they didnt do it