What Happened to Battlefield's Map Design?
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Still waiting for the bf3/bf4 soldier movement to return. The movement and jumping feels awkward since after bf4/hardline era . All bf1 bf5 bf2042 feels weird imo
if you don't like the new battlefield games and maps, then go play star wars battlefront 2 (2017). that game has the maps you want just like the old battlefield maps. the game is actually a very good game today without all the microtransactions. the game has dozens of diffrent maps. the game has not super much content, but if you want e. g. more diffrent guns or heros, then you can join the Kyber servers. it is private servers made by moders, where you can mod everything you want in the game. have played the game for over 400 hours, have also played the game then it launch so have seen every update the games has. the game is made by Dice so expect it to be very much like battlefield but just like in a sci fi style i think.
You'd think that urban environments would be a perfect fit for 2042 considering the story revolves around the fall of civilization. Imagine if we could have that cool flooded London from Exodus as a map.
Exactly. I would love to see a flooded Amsterdam, torched London, or invaded South Asia. Seeing places we hold in high regards IRL, burnt to the ground would be horrifying.
Nope , here’s a big desert map with like 5 structures set in Qatar or some shit 👍🏽
Maybe, and that's a big maybe, DICE doesn't want to put EA through what IW put Activision through. That wouldn't make sense considering Kaliedoscope but it's my only half assed theory.
Exactly! they should have had battles in actual cities that have been "taken over by nature" just like how the last of us environments look. They could have went wild with the destructability but now it just looks so bland.
Imagine thinking they still care about the story yikes. It was all made for marketing my brother. They dropped pac's death on us and that irish had a kid and proceeded to throw the story telling out the window when the game came out. How ppl haven't figured it out is beyond me
BF1 also had deeper terrain deformation. So there were plenty of craters to replace destroyed cover. From what I remember last time I played 2042, it was pretty shallow, just like the destruction overall. I don't mind the more open natural maps, as long as they are balanced for infantry to survive more than 5 seconds, and have interesting locations. But I am really craving some dense urban maps like from BF3 and BF4. They always felt more tactical and tense.
Dice went through and revamped most of the maps. Added more cover and changed the locations of some of the objectives. I don't know when the last time you played it was, but it has really improved a lot and I'd recommend giving it another shot.
@@JonnyCrackers I'm aware, and I'd be willing to try it again, especially after the operator rework. But the issue at hand is that none of my friends play the game lol.
I think it was by design when they made bf1 maps wide and with a lot of craters, some small hills for cover and trenches to incentivize players to use them just like ww1, and instead of going forward to the enemy adopt flanking routes so you dont get into the enemie's line of sight, 2042 is the same but withouth the underground cover and being overall flatter
@@gianmatute7577 everything about bf1 just worked well together. It was ahead of its time
I remember assault classes would throw dynomite to make their own craters for cover in open maps like volga river or literally in the streets of amiens lol
Bad Company 2 changed BF with the massive destruction and great levels too. I almost think Bad Company 2 was more important than any other title for changing how Battlefields were played. It made BF3 and BF4 possible.
100% correct and BC2 was and still is the best playing BF game to date. I would also love to see some of the BF2 maps remade in BF2042. Just think how good the likes of Strike at Karkand, Gulf of Oman, Sharqi Peninsula and even Road to Jalalabad would look.
I just hated the rag-tag casualness of it. That and no air units, but that's what people actually praised it for. CQB and not getting farmed by vehicles 😂
BC2 was a downgrade from BF2 & 2142 in what made Battlefield such a awesome team based shooter.
But yes the destruction was amazing.
@@Jonas-ej7id I agree, BF2 and for me 2142 were the greatest games of all time. BC2 is third though.
@@dimitri1154 bc2 had attack copters and transport
These large natural maps worked well in BF1 because automatic weapons had limited effective range and the TTK was slow enough so that you had a chance to make the run and not immediately get beamed.
This added to the “feel” of WW1 where you could feel like you’re in a stalemate until your team makes a massive push across an open field.
In BF2042, you can be two-hit-killed by automatic weapons from up to 75m away, vehicles (including helicopters, which unlike planes, don’t have to circle back around and can hover/strafe giving little reprieve) move quickly to intercept infantry in exposed locations. Mackay and Sundance are so popular not just because they are fun but also because trying to get from POI to POI in 2042 is just so much more ass when you aren’t one of those two when there are so few lanes that leave you safe from long range snipers (read: Railgunners) and vehicles.
TL;DR: the “natural” map design worked in BF1 because of the slower TTK, slower vehicles, and stalematey frontlines. The design does not suit highly lethal and accurate vehicles and weapons.
What are you talking about… 2042 literally has a slower TTK than BF1 LMAO game even has armor plates which makes the TTK that much slower as well. BF1 you can easily get sniped from across the map because the snipers were so insanely OP and easy.
@@enjoi9970 compared to the Rorsch, which is not extremely easy to use?
Weapons like the BSV and SFAR with high power have accuracy and muzzle velocity that blast BF1 weapons out of the water. Consider a BSV at 70m vs something like the G. 95 or the Mondragón.
Also the BF1 “starter SMG” The MP18 deals 23 damage per shot at 550 RPM. The closest equivalent in 2042, the PBX-45, deals 28 damage (one less shot to kill) AND has a higher fire rate (depending on your ammo and attachments it can range from 630-730, all of which beat out the MP18) not to mention the better ADS accuracy.
The long range weapons of BF2042 are more lethal and accurate than the long range weapons of BF1, and the close range weapons of BF2042 are more lethal and faster firing (and still more accurate…) than the ones from BF1.
The only advantage snipers in BF1 had over 2042 is that in BF1 you couldn’t tac sprint and fly around with the map with mobility operators, and also the ranges of engagement for snipers in BF1 is typically less than in 2042.
@@kuzidas4213 The only reason you don’t get beamed as often in long ranges is because BF1 has the stupid random bullet deviation but obviously sniper’s completely avoid that which I would say snipers in BF1 are far more powerful than any gun in 2042 by a long mile.
You also have to consider the range stats of weapons.. you can’t just look at the damage and say it has a faster TTK. 2042 also has an armor gadget which if used it makes it the slowest TTK in battlefield history.
@@enjoi9970 The bullet deviation makes it fun
@@Xavier28200 How so? It makes it so that you can’t master a weapons recoil
I miss the lumbering feel of BF3. It felt much more tactical, where 2042 movement is way too fast. It’s nearly impossible to move with your squad. Not to mention the lack of squad tools and ability to stay in a server.
Yeah they turned bf into a twitch shooter now :(
BF3 had such a good blend of heavy action and slower tactics. not to mention you actually got a HUGE benefit to sticking with your squad. Now it feels like the squads are arbitrary and each "class" is just a slightly different loadout for players to go lone wolf with.
It's funny you bring up how BF3 was slow and lumbering, because BF4 got a patch a little while after it launched to speed up the players movement to "match the speed of BF3" which was what the players wanted. We say we want a slower pace, but when we have it we beg for things to be sped up.
@@aweldof Just because they had to speed up BF4 doesnt mean BF3 wasnt slow...
Agreed man
Im surprised they isn’t any naval combat maps in this game . I still play bf4 very often and absolutely love the naval strike maps . Love when the ship crashes on the island and the storm comes changing the whole map into an almost night time thunderstorm . Perfect for sniping and using thermal scopes . I feel like so far in 2042 it’s just always one massive tower in the center of the map and a bunch of little towns around it .
BF1 Naval maps like Zebruuge are some of the craziest-atmospheric-immersive-fun maps I've ever played in 20yrs of gaming, you got torpedo boats fighting it out, large ships decked out with cannons and artillery to call in, blimps firing down from above, planes dogfighting, infantry duking it out in the subpen, the potential for a modern day setting or even "near future" (even though IMO that's the last setting they should've went for) is unreal.
BF hasn’t done naval fights right since 1942
@@spent1985 I loved the submarines :|
@@surject On what map we can got sub in 1942?
@@kotrixpolska9781 Wake Island
100% agree. My biggest issue with Battlefield since BF1 released is most maps are bad. Compartmentalization of BF3/4 maps is gone. Some of the BF3 maps are iconic and i dont understand why they won't look at those and learn from them.
BF1 maps are far supperior than BF4 maps .
BF3 & BF1 are on another level in term of map design .
BF1 had good maps. Nice layouts and most POIs towards the center. BFV had only 2 good maps until the Pacific DLC because they tried to make maps that get cut off halfway through and are too scenic instead of prioritizing gameplay. Bf2042 is the worst collection of maps ever tbh
BF3 is still the pinnacle of maps in the entire series and had something for everyone.
@@guillaume_Chr you’re not getting the point here. Of course BF1 map design is amazing but it can’t work in any other title that’s the point. As US Specialist said if you bring the BF1 mechanics and vehicles into 2042 it would be a completely different game.
@@IamSaud_YT I'm not totally agree with that , Saint - Quentin | Amiens | Argonne (just for the example) could work on any BF game .
Just look at Caspian Border it was phenomenal just by being a "natural" map ..
Lol BF4 maps were terrible the nostalgia is strong here
Dice impression of map design in 2042: add in one unique structure copy and pasted indestructible structures around the area, change the terrain depending on the location( good thing), than copy and paste industrial buildings from orbital and discarded and change the color to make them look different.
That’s literally what BF3 and BF4 did lol
@@enjoi9970 at least they did it good lmao
@@shoemcflextheflex2199 What’s doing it good? I guarantee you you don’t even know because it’s all nostalgia
@@enjoi9970 At least BF3's maps were well designed, can't say too much about 4 since half of that game's maps were a nightmare for Infantry players. BF2042's maps are just copy pasted buildings on flat terrain, zero thought clearly went into the map design despite them having literal backstories, the "remakes" of the already existing maps are also a joke, just a lazy usage of BF4 assets that add little to nothing.
@@venommagnus Copy and paste? I mean BF3 literally uses a lot of the same assets on its maps lol. Also, imagine saying a map like exposure is copy and paste lmao also do you see the orbital rocket on any other map? Since you claim everything is copy and paste..
If the remakes were completely changed in designed I guarantee you would complain that it’s too different so the devs are never gonna win no matter what they give you
the problem is not open maps, the problem is that if 75% of the map is open then the more close quarters section that is the other 25% has to be spread out carefully, but DICE has been creating maps where all the cqc section are clustered into a single blob. They need to follow the direction of Bad Company 2
Grand Bazaar was so good! I really just wish we could get BF3 maps added in to the game already. BF3 had the best maps of all time
They literally could just re-release a remastered version of battlefield three ,it would be a multi million dollar seller!
@@entreri76x Venice Unleashed already did that - and nobody plays it :(
At this time, I just wish BF3 or BF3+BF4 remaster, not with new mechanics or modified maps, just the original games in new generation with everyone with every maps, to not divide players.
@@entreri76x I’ve been saying this for a while. Just remaster bf3 already
@@entreri76x I’ve been saying this for a while. Just remaster bf3 already
I started playing on BF2 and I like to see some of those maps come in into 2042 like the map of Karkand. I agree, there should be more of urban warfare with mostly infantry, limited vehicle and no air cover. Also, I wished they bring back close quarters games.
I still have the Karkand loading theme stuck in my head from 2005.
The close quarters dlc maps in bf3 were fucking fun
Well, the return of TDM is a start.
BF2 still has the best maps, squad play and commander mode.
2142 (most underrated bf game) was a further refinement of it.
One thing I liked about Hardline was the shift towards more urban settings. Even a forest level to me felt relatable cause I see myself walking through those paths, driving down those roads.
Then there was Battlefield One’s war scarred terrain where there usually being just a glimpse of a small patch of the world beyond the battle line; the fields not having been gutted with trenches, nature abuzz not having been leveled by mortar or stained by viscera. It made it feel like you were running head long into hell itself towards apocalypse.
At first, 2042 genuinely hyped me up with the idea of city scapes, landscapes just annihilated by a climate crisis of biblical proportion. But everything was squeaky clean and wide open at first cause 2042 was initially going to be a Battle Royals.
The newest maps have felt like a throwback to BF3, BF4 which is great though. Combat and objective play feels much more directed which to me is peak Battlefield: organized chaos.
I loved the maps in BF3/4, in those games you had jungles, deserts, snowy mountains too but also you had small towns, factories, cities which can be changed like Siege of Shanghai or Flood Zone that can be... Well... Flooded and now you can use boats between the buildings. It was brilliant.
I want maps set in future Australia, Sydney would look/be incredible as a mix of infantry and vehicles. The Gold Coast is literally skyscrapers against golden sand beaches where you could have a flood event in a tight urban environment (because climate change or something).
Also, I want to see a map that starts in the fields of a country town, that gradually moves into the town itself as a bush fire rolls in from the forest, changing it from a natural environment to an urban one
The Helis are ridiculously overpowered in Siege of Shanghai, too much cover for hells that they are impossible to kill a good pilot.
True, the only enemy a good Apache pilot had was the attack heli of the opposing team. Me and my gunner buddy equipped with a repair tool were unstoppable. We knew every potential spot to put the chopper down for a quick fix out of reach for anything infantry! Good memories!
Shit it could be said the opposite pilots in bf3/bf4 had to deal with 200 different lockons making piloting more difficult
@@Chitown18 not on Shanghai though cause you can just hide behind buildings. And loads of servers have annoying rules like no stingers etc, you don't get that as much in the newer games
But even good heli pilots got smaked by a good engineer. I loved to take them down with my smaw or RPG.
everyone loves crying about heils🤣
Great points. 2042 could really use urban maps, though I don’t think it’s completely accurate to say BF3/4 only has urban maps. Some of the more popular maps were natural too (Caspian Border, Operation Firestorm). But I agree that the number of urban maps in the last couple games has been too few.
My favorite BF map is Oasis from BC1. You start in an open desert with tanks and helicopters, and progress into an infantry-only urban village. A mix of urban and natural is a great way to shake things up, whether they are combined in one map or you simply have some maps be natural and others urban.
Oasis is one of the best maps ever made. That final push through the town in rush felt like a real warzone back then
My personal favorite maps are all from BF5: Al Sundan, Provence and Mercury
Kaleidoscope and Manifest are urban maps.
I get your point about BF1 starting this trend but even back then there used to be a ton lot more cover and buildings, I can't remember any of the map names tbh but the urban combat in that map with the train, the trenches in the night map, the french fortress, all of those maps use lots of assets and are amazing
Amiens
Uhhh. What
@@MrTeton The map the guy is talking about is Amiens from BF1
BF1 has brilliant map design, I'd say the best out of any battlefield game (of course, it's WWI, naturally there are not any skyscrapers). Amiens, Nivelle Nights, Ball Room, Fao Fortress, Monte Grappa, Tsaritsyn, Pashendale, and the list goes on.
A couple of maps had some issues (I can think of Tsaritsyn and Achi Baba) in which you could block the enemy spawns. Conquest assault maps at the end of the day you either like them or not: I despise them. But every map felt unique and special.
Battlefield 5 had nothing remarkable. Some maps were breathtaking and gorgeous, but that does not make them unique or special.
Battlefield 2042 has nothing remarkable. These maps, at least to me, feel like COD maps but 100x bigger with destruction (and slightly better)
@@gici1700 I honestly hated BFV the gun variety is non existent and themedic class has some of the most op guns so everybody runs with that in infantry maps, the pacific campaign maps are too open for infantry too, the movement nerfs on armored vehicles are awful, it was okay in BF1 because the infantry had really shitty anti armor gadgets but in BFV the bazooka and the panzerfaust are incredibly op also playing with aircraft sucks because there's an anti air emplacement in every fucking flag
Battlefield 3 Close Quarters is what’s needed, some options to have tight close quarters battles. This should be a thing with the focus on portal bringing old experiences into one package as 2042.
I think the urban maps are a bit of a double edged sword.
They provide some natural vehicle balance, like you mentioned. Ground vehicles are more limited in where they can go and the sightlines they can cover. This means they don't have to be nerfed so heavily since they can only control small areas, and have more difficulty escaping when enemy infantry wants to destroy these vehicles. Plus skyscrapers make flying much more difficult and require much more skill, which again makes the vehicles require less nerfs. And then obviously all the building interiors provide tons of cover from these vehicles.
I also agree about the "awe factor" of these maps. Even now, it's still incredible loading into Siege of Shanghai and seeing a war take place in a dense urban environment. It really drives home the idea that war has consumed the world and that it's stretched far beyond traditional battlefields.
However, these environments can be wildly annoying with how much camping they allow. Battlefield is infamous for all the players that want nothing more than to camp from hundreds of meters away in pockets nearly impossible to dislodge them from, or atop tall buildings with no viable way to kill them from below, while they just farm kills and take pot shots. Sure they might lose the game, but winning the game from the other side isn't a very fun experience. Plus, depending on the map, sometimes moving between interiors can be a tedious and frustrating endeavor. Enemy vehicles can very easily start controlling those exteriors and make players feel unable to leave the one place in which they've found a bit of safety. Many times, dense urban maps just becomes continually spawning on one or two interior areas and never leaving them to avoid being insta killed by a tank, helo, or any of the dozen snipers. Coming back from that position often feels annoying and unfulfilling.
I also think 2042 isn't the fairest comparison since we all know by now that it was originally designed to be a BR, not a conventional Battlefield game. With that in mind, the open space and larger gaps between points of interest make a lot of sense, a core part of BR map design is power positions and high risk movement as the player is forced to rotate. A lot of the launch maps very obviously were originally BR maps hurriedly repurposed.
I would like to see them lean more toward the mix we have in BF5, which I think has some great urban, chaotic maps, some really sparse and open maps, and some that have a blend. Maybe we'll get an urban map at some point in the future for 2042, but I do expect them to return in the next title that is intended to be conventional Battlefield from the start.
I realized after recording I should have mentioned 2042's bastardized development, and its origins as a different style of game.
Great point.
But like... 2042's maps style dates back to like... BF2.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 I'm not sure what you're talking about
@@BlackTearsYT 2042's enviromental maps aren't BR specific. It's from the olden days of the Refractor era.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 Oh, no. They might both be vaguely environmental, but 2042 are 100% originally BR maps. I'm not saying it as opinion, 2042 was developed as a BR game, along with the launch maps, that then had to be hastily changed to try to be a regular BF game.
Great take. I really like natural maps with weather effects. I like the direction 2042 is going towards. However we do need urban maps. Like karkand shangai and grand bazar. Amiens also. I would love to see a siege of shanguai retaken by nature in season 5. A post apocalyptic feel to it would be a very cool concept
SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE SIMP SHM SO ALL IT TAKES IS FOR THEM TO RELEASE OLD MAPS AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY GOOD LORD WHAT A SIMP SMH
Yea seen DannyonPcs recent vid about that?
@@GazDaLad don’t think so
Thanks 🙌 I definitely think these beautiful natural environments have a place in Battlefield, but DICE has totally forgone urban spaces, which is a real same for gameplay and story.
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The alley way in grand bazar was a blast
I really like your take here. I never thought of it that way but it makes so much sense when thinking about vehicle balance. In bf4 I always had options of where to go as infantry. Now it feels more like a hail mary any time I want to go from one point to another. And yes 128 player servers are bigger and cooler on the surface, but I actually never really thought to myself "man I wish bf4 had twice as many players". I hope that EA Dice is able to see the shortcomings and strengths of both maps styles and put together some good ones in the future with an improved Frostbite engine.
Huh? The complete opposite.. BF4 literally punishes infantry gameplay in most maps lol
4 is a terrible example as most maps were built with vehicles first
@@zachb1706 Exactly there’s so many wide open maps that people just choose to ignore
Problem is that there is no Levelution that can change the gameplay, like Manifest has crane 🏗️ campers, you could blow up the cranes so the campers won’t camp there and the destroy crane creates even more cover on the roads so that vehicle like tanks can’t drive by easy
lmao imagine thinking levolution is a key gameplay mechanic 😂 honestly one of the worst ideas BF devs have had alongside agents...
@@hellomynameisjim i think Levolution will make a good gameplay mechanic
I think Dice also became overly obsessed with preventing spawn traps after BF3 to an extent that hurt the map design.
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I played a lot of BF4 and I remember how much fun helos were in maps like flooded or dragon pass. The constant cat and mouse with AA and other aircraft, timing countermeasures, dipping into cover, peaking out to take a shot. It felt like an actual challenge. Flying fast and ducking and weaving through maps was an absolute blast. Even the transports were fun. keeping it level so gunners could take shots, but getting to cover super quick. Good times!
I literally had the same issue you said with bf2042 with bf4. Empty maps lazily designed around a gimmick which looks good in trailers. Dice changed their map creation workflow for bf4 and I absolutely hated it.
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I think having Spearhead be set in Lapland is quite possibly the worst location idea possible. Both Finland and Sweden have places called Lapland, and it definitely confused me for weeks. I always thought they were talking about Finnish Lapland and I thought the devs couldn’t get geography right.
That intro sequence was great. Keep it up!
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Also, are you from the Philly area by chance? A few words you say have an accent that comes through lol
I understand why this happenned i think. Because both bf1 and bf5 were set during ww1 and ww2 ish eras, which were historucally fought in more open areas so they stuck with the historical theme for map design. Then in 2042 they wanted city areas but they didnt want 2 alter 2 far in map design to upset bf1 and bf5 fans, so thay made 2042 have both city areas and open areas
BF4 Final Stand expansion had some of that open field design you are talking about but it was max 2 maps.
The main problem with the most recent battlefield games maps is the lack of close quarters combat areas, breakthrough 128 was a great mode the only bad thing was that during the time that it was out most of the maps except for manifest we're just wide open areas and a marathon simulator, maps and older battlefield titles always had a variety of close combat areas to where you could be in fast Pace to action unlike their launch maps of 2042
I would float Gulf of Oman as an example of an urban area that failed pretty badly, although that was due to multiple factors (Weather effect, assault mode), not just the layout of the urban area. Not only is technical resource allocation more challenging in urban areas but I think proper map flow and game design in tighter areas are as well.
100%, I think that map had its moments, but those open spaces between objectives and how attack helicopters could own the map, was painful.
@@USA_Specialist I never played much BF3, but Pearl Market was my favorite BF4 map by a good margin. Urban maps like that had a pretty painful learning curve however and I'm not sure Dice would be willing to put that type of map out into today's FPS landscape.
Gulf of Oman is a great map what you on about 😄
Battlefield 3 is above question.
Very underrated channel. This is a great video . I’m still waiting for the soldier movement and jumping from bf3/bf4 . Bf1 Bf5 Bf2042 all feel weird and awkward imo
I remember when they first added the running / vaulting jump in Battlefield 3, that felt so crazy. So much momentum.
I think you missed a crucial part of the whole design thing: it is astonishing how many assets in 2042 are just QUIXEL ASSETS. From tarps you can download as well from the bridge to terrain textures, photogrammetry has come so far, that many publishers and devs wanna utilize the tech that is able to finally create life like natural environments.
It might be easier to create a good looking empty field, but I also think that it's harder to create believable areas like that. Atmosphere, wind, sound, moving grass... I truly believe that its easier to create a cityscape, especially with duplicating assets or trim sheets. THOUGH creating city's and locations like that is a challenge on the other hand, due to ACTUALLY designing routes, overviews, sightlines, and obviously, a good looking aesthetic.
I wish that we had more maps like the background of kaleidoscope. High towers with war between them.
My favorite is definitely gulf of oman. it featured some cqb and urban environments, while allowing for vehicle combat and some verticality
You absolutely nailed it man! I feel like bf maps have been on a downward slope since bf1
Natural environments made sense for Bf1 to be fair due to the time period
4:44 cat & mouse gameplay vs tanks was my favorite part of battlefield back when I played the franchise during 3 & 4. It’s what set the game apart from COD for me.
Great video! Thanks for posting. Been here since BF2, and I am genuinely concerned about the direction of the game. But we will see what the future holds.
Another question, what happened to the destruction 🤔 its there but only superficially. The days of levelling a house or levolution are gone
I think each map needs a Conquest and Breakthrough/Rush version, the latter with a lane/battle line focus with all the extra square footage of the map recycled into denser, more interesting environments like St Q Scar, Argonne Forest, Propoganda or Zavod. Personally I'd like to see Zavod with a underground route running through the map or Talah Market with every street about 20% wider and the middle square twice as big as the BF3 version.
Never even tried bf2042. I started playing this series on PC with BF1942. I often return to BF4 and Bad Company.
It should be available on PC and Xbox via Gamepass. Give it a try if you can.
In DICE fashion it took an extra year to get right, but worth a try for a few bucks now.
BF2042 is worth giving a shot by now, the game had(and still has) a drastic overhaul going on that adressed a lot of it's shortcomings and poor design choices. It still has it's flaws, with the abscense of a proper serverbrowser being my biggest gripe, but i am having a lot of fun with it now and at times it does remind me of BF4, which still stands as the greatest BF of all time in my book. With another year of new content and fixes ahead it will turn out pretty good eventually, no doubt!
Battlefield 3 and 4 also had maps set in natural environments.
02:37 map is Al Elamein from BF1942 remastered into BF2042 Portal - just so your viewers know that. It's a desert map so it's going be naturally open because it's literally a desert 🏜
That BF4 trailer gave me chills, reminds me of being in grade 9 and watching that for the first time
Broo.
I tought my phone was slyding down when you played the down animation🤣
Got a heart attack
One Major Issue at least for is how DICE designs the buildings. All maps have buildings with one or two gigantic rooms and a lot of objectives inside, to create the impression that it's a complicated structure. Maybe only Exposure doesn't follow this pattern. The interiour design is very bad.
Just to be clear: Spearhead has 2 building with a lot of entry points and each building has 1 big room with an insane height of the cieling.
The top entry presents an empty room with only 1 path. The new maps are way better than the base game but still very bad compared to other BF maps.
Yeah I was kinda disappointing running into the Spearhead buildings the first time.
Spearhead: a giant building.. except it's only a single ground floor 🤷🏻♂️
@@yootchoobe you have an entry from the ventilation system.
@@Dan.Zaporojan er, yes but you're surely not comparing an additional entrance to the floor plan of the actual factory playable area - the building looks like it should have ten floors in it 😊
I absolutely don't know how they managed to make a game 8 years after another game in the franchise where literally EVERY SINGLE aspect ,except for maybe the movement and bullet spread, is worse than its predecessor. It's crazy to me how they ignored all feedback, didn't take example of what worked and what didn't and fucked up so massively when all they had to do is look at Bf3 and Bf4...
I agree the city maps in previous games have always been y favorite.
Its like after Battlefront 1 launched with the lack luster weapon selection it had, design choices and priorities switched up for the BF series. Its like they brought over the same design philosophy. Bare minimum weapon selection too and no weapon mods with it being WW era guns. Maps feeling like they were half auto-generated.. The Bad Company series and into BF3, this game was all about shooting cool satisfying weapons and destructible environments and interesting maps all leading to the funnest combat gameplay in the series.
My only counter-point is: Battlefield 1 wasn't the starting point of the natural maps. The Desert map in the Portal mode is a direct callback to Battlefield 1942. Both 1942 and Battlefield Vietnam (Not to be mistaken with Bad Company 2's Vietnam expansion) featured natural environments. They've been a part of Battlefield since 2002 when BF1942 came out.
So, these types of maps are no strangers to the franchise. I was 16 when the game dropped and I have a lot of fond memories from those times. I actually prefer the more natural environments. But I do enjoy the urban settings here and there.
Do you play with medium settings? The map design is good in bf 2042 more maps are coming in
To add on to the points you made about BF1, the open map design just fits (and adds to) the setting of the game.
True world world building with those maps.
A point I think missed in this video is that these types of maps WORKED in Battlefield 4. The China Rising and the snowy DLC both have huge wide open maps, but they’re still designed just as well and play as great as the rest of the maps in the game.
Shouts out to Bad Company 2, as well. It paved the way for BF3, and everything after. It had a great mix of urban and large landscapes, and the gunplay felt so good. Best Rush maps to date, as well.
Not only map design but movement of your character IS PARAMOUNT to gameplay. In BF3 the movement felt REAL and tracking strafes made sense. They shortcut the movement animations in BF4 to make gameplay seem faster and many were taken back by this step backwards towards call of duty movement. Look at Warzone 2.0 they slowed down the Arcade movements and people loved it. How your character moves is directly related to your feedback and if they have no weight or impact neither does your experience. If every step you take can make a difference then it forces you to think.
I've been playing since BF4 (barely, started after the BF1 trailer but before BF1 launch) and I enjoy the large natural maps. I really like using the terrain to my advantage, using rocks, berms, hills and more as cover. BFV has some really great examples of open natural terrain that also blocks sightlines and has good pathing and cover to objectives. But there really needs to be a limit to open maps. I really think the urban maps are where the Battlefield is the best. Nothing is cooler than piloting a heli around the skyscrapers on Shangai or Dawnbreaker.
I missed BF3 and most of BF4 and mostly played BF1/V. I've really been waiting for a great modern era Battlefield title and I'm pretty disappointed that it hasn't come out yet. I want to see one that pushes the boundaries of graphics, sound design, and immersion just like BF3/4 did when they came out. Some of that is there in BFV and BF1. BF1 has the most impressive sound design I've heard ever and BFV is still the best looking MP FPS game I've seen to date despite being 5 years old next year. Every now and then I have fun in 2042 and think "You know what maybe this game isn't too bad." Then I hop on BF4, 1, or V and immediately feel like I'm playing a next gen game in literally every aspect.
Battlefield is in my top 3 favorite franchises and it really makes me so sad to see it fall like this. 80% of the hate for these new games are because the fans want to see the game succeed so bad, but whoever is in charge keeps making the worst decisions. Let the people that design the game design a military shooter and not whatever Big Boss Boy is feeling like this year.
Great video man, operation locker, and metro, and also rouge transmission sounds great for remaster, zavod a great infantry map
Rogue Transmission would fit into the world of 2042 so we'll.
See this is why there is no new great maps because everyone keep asking for remasters...
Thats why they are lazy af unfinished un-optimized Beta testing it at launch and call alpha beta's.
Give the support class support weapons like, TOWs, HMGs and ATGMs. Those are potent in wide open fields.
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It would be great to be able to play maps like Amiens and Rotterdam in a "modern version"
Yh why don't they bring back popular maps like how cod does it?
Good vid. Can you make a vid on BF3 maps and show the layout of the maps and maybe compare them w/ the layouts of BF2042 maps?
I wish that they would fix the flashlight attachments and make them so that they are not bulletproof when someone is using them
Parcel storm, I miss the attack boats
Bf1 started this I remember the desert map being being pure sand and a couple 2 story buildings
BF3 and BF4 are forever in my heart ♥
Operation locker 😢memories
BF4 & BF1 for me
map design is first influenced by server size. 128 player servers are simply harder to figure out what to do with, which is why they just threw out maps with vast open spaces. bad company 2 had a lot better forest/ urban density balance imo because of it being a 24 player game. when it became a 64 player game, maps had more openness in them
It was a 32 player game on pc and it was incredible fun
@@FERTUHG I bought it for both PC and Xbox 360. Honestly it had better pacing on 24. Almost like it was just meant to be played that way. Just my opinion. I got close to that 150 rank cap on both versions. Also I just want the map Oasis back again. Fantastic map nobody talks about.
Well i mean, in a full 128 game, some maps still feel too big, having square kilometers of unused space, the same thing happened to bf3 and bf4, bf1 and bfV felt more like bad company 2 in terms of distribution
I would love an actual city map in Battlefield 2042.
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This gameplay trailer was pure hype.
I don't mind the "natural" maps, but there are just too many in the latest BF games, especially one like 2042 where urban combat seems like it would be much more plausible in the world of 2042. I can see where Dice tried to get some of that urban feel (skyscrapers/stadium on Hourglass, B flags of Manifest to some extent, Kaleidoscope) but they missed because those "urban" areas don't have the playability like Metro, Locker, or any number of older maps do. They're one story with almost nothing interesting going on and very little in the way of interesting combat situations. I really hope season four and five (and maybe more seasons) give us the urban environments like we used to get.
The Dev team had no idea what they were doing seeing as how they aren't the same team they were when BF3 & BF4 were created. Most left by BFV.
I'd love to see the flooded London from the exodus trailer
Thank you very much for this video.
Your take on Battlefield's map design is interesting, because your focus point is urban combat.
Personally, I think that Battlefield's maps design peaked with Battlefield 1. They used photogrammetry for the maps and I think you can just "feel" that. Paired with its top tier sound design and gritty art direction, it is (with Star Wars Battlefront 1 2015, because of the same factors I've elaborated on - they used photogrammetry as well to scan the actual filming locations of the original trilogy) the most atmospheric multiplayer shooter I've ever played. You briefly mentioned Battlefield 5, but I think, this game did not come close to Battlefield 1's atmosphere, but that is just my opinion.
Honestly even BF4 had some great natural maps, Paracel storm, Golmud Railway, all the maps for Naval Strike, and that community test map, all great outdoors and natural maps.
istg, i played 2042 hardcore, can't even survive 2 seconds as an infantry lol
Thank you been waiting for someone to say this
We need both styles of maps not just urban maps
I would like to see a remaster of Strike at Karkand (BF2 version).
Commander online.... That made me hard, that was a good game I don't know what happened to battlefield.
pearl market needs to be remastered i think a scout heli could work with it since the MATV played well with the map
bro u put so much work into your videos, i discovered u like one and a half year ago.. makes me sad u havent got more subs.. but keep going, ur doing a great job!! :)
bfv had some nice maps, provence is still my favourite map on any multiplayer game. Mainly due to memories ofc but the open area for vics and cqc of the villiage was absolutely great. also ment that as a vic your main threat was other vics and not infantry, imo a better thing.
Because Battlefield 1 is generally well received by many people, so DICE decided to make similar maps based on the ones from Battlefield 1 for future titles but with different skins.
Ive been playing Battlefield since Battlefield 1942. Honestly, it feels like the limitation brought on by the player count and vehicles, not to mention the cost of creating the maps as well as the reworking of the games class system. combine that with the lack luster sales, it usually causes financial restrictions(financial greed) to adding new content.
Any of the Strike at Karkand maps
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You make important points in your video. I've been playing this beloved franchise since bf2. Fan for life. Dice just needs to go back to what made the play style great and implement the "money making" strategies on that. Sadly i wish it wasn't about the bottom line. I am however really enjoying 2042 more now season3 has gone in the right direction. Still encountering a lot of old bugs though.
Thanks for the video, will check out more of your content.
Operation metro and Iwo jima are two that would be great to play again
wasn't the first comparison using a trailer vs in game player made gameplay? Just found that the only thing that caught me off guard since it felt a bit skewed in the way both were presented. The trailer one just looked like pre-made movements with how the player was barely interacting with what was going on around them?
I could be wrong, since I haven't watched BF4 gameplay in a long time, but it never felt/looked like that even while playing the game lol. something just looks off
You know now that you mention it some of their maps are a little open.
Yeah.. lot of these newer urban maps like kaleidoscope is still just a giant field.. little to no cover/corners.. it nice they move some objective around.. but the defender still spawn in the open and would get spawn kill by attacker vehicles/player placed in the right angle.
I rather have a large field than a map where people are just camping rooftops all game and slow down the pacing of the game
@Enjoi they did some decent rework to balance it out.. but you can still rooftop camp, just have to avoid being detected by heli, and other players can still focus on CQB in certain areas, but it is just my opinion that these rework maps need another look at.
BF BC2's maps were built around gamemodes, which worked perfectly.
It wend from 'Battlefield' to just 'Field'
Intro was top notch
It's not about urban vs nature it's a matter of how sparse these maps feel with very little to fill the space, they see this and realized it and are starting to rework these maps. I agree the older maps felt more real than the current ones because they had ambience in the decoration and care into the map, in most recent maps a big part of this was covered in the form of the terrain being changed when something is destroyed. There's one noticable place in the new maps where this happens the rocket being blown up that effects a small piece of the map
I can't wait for season 5.
I’m confused so what’s the best bc is it 3 n 4 or 1
The environment doesn’t matter as much as the level design. If the city maps were not designed well, the game still gonna suck
Just like Hourglass