Proposed Rugby Law Changes...
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Are these suggestions any good? The rugby community has been making their appeals for law changes that will speed the game up.
From Warren Gatland, to Eddie Jones and even Sir Wayne Smith have all come up with ideas to improve rugby as a product.
Here's my take on a range of law or 'rule'' changes, and what actions would benefit the game the most.
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This mob is clutching at straws.
Dismiss them if it not being a tradie bro other jobs all boring as
Bring back putting the ball in straight to a scrum!!!!!
I liked a suggestion I heard a while ago that if a team knocks it on and the other team secures the ball then that is the knock-on advantage over as possession has changed. That should keep the game flowing after a knock-on.
Also love the idea of the nine not being allowed past the tunnel. More set piece play along with setting them faster should stop people moaning about the scrum.
That's a great idea
The knock on idea, while good intentions, has serious issues, in that simply gaining possesion from a knockon, alot of the time. especially on defense in your own 22/goal line, would mean nothing and give you no real opportunity to exit after the error was made, but rather more likely, simply give the attacking team another crack at it from the rushed kick to touch ect. The idea holds a real risk of heavily favouring attacking teams in reality.
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 I get the concern but if you're in your 22 and want a scrum then don't pick up the ball after it's knocked on. The law does have the problem that after a knock on both teams may just stop playing and wait for a scrum (which happens under the current rules) but if they want to play on they can. This wouldn't eliminate scrums but would potentially cut down on them a bit, a lot in slippery conditions.
It would also mean after repeated knock ons the game could keep going rather than the current knock on one team, knock on the other team, whistle, scrum.
@@georgehornsby2075 Realise, by your own words, you making a rule that promotes 'do not play' is better, don't pick it up? So all the good intentions of the rule down the drain before even implemented is point Im trying to raise. The rule is going to reward 'not playing' as its end result.
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 Certain teams will opt to play, certain teams will not depending on the strength of their scrums and the position on the pitch (the same as currently). I believe for most field positions most teams will want to play because of the attack opportunities an unexpected change in possession gives you.
Teams now try to secure and play on from most knock on balls and it's not because of the small knock on advantage which is time limited and goes away if you kick. The turnover is enough.
I'm keen for the 5 meter tap if held up over the tryline.
Reckon it should be double points if a front rower runs it straight 🤣
Great work! It's sad but we need the "shot clock" used way more. On scrums as you suggest, also once a team wants to kick for touch from pen they have 30 seconds to kick it out, form lineout and throw the ball in, and finally reduce shot clock for kicks at goal, 60 seconds for conversions and 45 seconds for penalties.
Finally, I've had this idea since the WC. Less pens at scrumtime, more free kicks, but you can't then take another scrum, tap and go or kick to touch, can go straight out but you don't get the lineout
6 men in the scrum, make flanker and lock a hybrid position and make scrum halfs feed the damn ball straight.
Make the game 13 a side as well and old style Line Outs like a AFL game
I suggested this a while back and was told by a former loosie it wouldn't work. I asked why but he never responded. Until someone does with a convincing argument, I think it's the best tactic we can adopt to change the game. The current 8/7 split between forwards and backs will always favour the pack. Cut the size of the pack and expand the backline and you'll see more running rugby. The real difficulty will be the transition - not just national sides but juniors will need to move from the current system to the new over a period of years.
@@davesmith826 Flanker stabalise the scrums from collapse and make it less likely that the ball squirts out the sides. When you look at pre-90s league, the scrums were much MUCH scrappier and rarely gave good ball which is part of the reason they went to the handover after 6 tackles instead.
no that would not look right
Not necessarily a law change but reffing needs to be more consistent with advantage especially within the 10m line
The advantage length is crazy!
This idea of more fatigue = more tries is silly. In reality: more injuries, more mistakes, more stoppages.
Interesting point! Rugby league here doesn’t stop the game (often) for subs, they roll on and off. They sped up the game drastically through rules that created more fatigue and it easily smashed the record for tries scored.
I take your point though, in union the play stops
I think complaining should be fixed. If you actually go back, I find that rugby right now is better than it's ever been. Great tries aren't as good if there are too many of them. Rugby's problem is that there aren't enough people and teams to care about. We need to invest in the rivalries, into shows like Full Contact and such. We need pundits who actually understand the scrum and kicking tactics
That kick at 3:35
Nice topic to raise.
Im curious if this topic is raised after every RWC, & if so, is it becoming a louder form of request...i do however hope tht things are a little more streamlined & user friendly by 2031
Caterpillar at ruck
Should allow hands in the ruck
Police skew throw ins at lineout for both teams.
My top 3 law changes:
- proper timing of the 5 seconds when they say use it
- Caterpillar rucks being cut quite hard, though I’m not sure how that would be done?
- I’d like to see some changes to how ruck competition is run, as there’s so many clear out reds, and players getting such nasty injuries from neck and croc rolls, or people going at peoples knees (*cough Darcy Swain *cough), and I think there is a way to make it more competitive while making it less of a hazard for players and have less cards. They just eat away at the game when it’s feeling like a mechanic of the game is making it so easy to commit an offence because it’s a really hard thing to do to clear someone safely.
Caterpiller and Jackels...never heard this bollocks in the 1990s
@@chrisr5499 you can thank Eddie Jones for both! He created them in 2002. I think there is absolutely some elements of that era we could adopt which could actually be safer, with some solid irony too 😂
The way you get rid of the caterpillar ruck is for the opposing team to recognize it and unbind. Then it's just a case of obstruction.
How about the tackler cannot jackal the ball or take part in the ruck?
Pardon my ignorance. “Jackal” the ball … Is that ripping it off the guy with the ball?
Remember when they were only allowed 3 subs and for injuries only, during that 90+ year period South Africa had a winning ratio against every team int he world. Warren must be careful what he asks for.
Gatland is as predictable as he is miserable. When he used his column in the Telegraph to dispense coaching advice to England in the run up to their semi with SA, I laughed my ass off.
South Africa will lose more then win with fever subs and less penalties 😂
SA will always win more than they lose - except against the All Blacks, who hoover up all the best players in Polynesia to remain competitive. @@GaniefDoorze
Uggy is the best RUclips channel of all time
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@@uggy nah g it the truth
Too many rules changing constantly and people are now becoming way too harsh on refs about that they as well as players have to get used to and people are shocked when refs retire seemingly 'out of nowhere'
Mauls and scrums are too often vehicles for winning penalties. I would only award indirect kicks from scrum infringements and for mauls once the maul has moved forward, offside should be taken from the position of the ball to make contesting mauls more competitive. On scrums, how about putting the ball in straight? - When was the last time we saw that error penalised in the professional game?
The subs got upped to have a trained front rower available. There was starting to be a few games where as soon as a prop was injured you’d have uncontested for the rest of the game. Drop one but have the requirement for 3 front rowers.
Also why has no one tried the most basic and easiest way to curb time wasting at scrums by having the clock stop? It’s not changing anything drastic in the set up, dominant scrums will still be so. It just means we don’t have 15 minutes sunk into scrum resets a game.
We also need more substitutes for player welfare. The real reason Gatland and Jones want fewer is to make their sides more competitive. If either were managing SA, France, NZ or Ireland, you wouldn't hear a peep about substitutions from them.
The other suggestions are sensible.
Only people from countries not winning want rules to be changed 😂
They want rule changes cuz the game is just time wasting
Well... I didn't hear Gatland calling for change when Wales were going well. Around the 2011-2015 period in particular when they had one of if not the biggest team of the top nations and were playing puke rugby.
Not that I blame him for using a winning strategy.
Spot on ...If you dont like scrums , lineouts etc maybe rugby isnt for you .
I'd like the rules to revert back to 1990s rugby. Back when Sean Fitzpatrick refereed the game just fine
Thé RWC is not the only competition out there. You can’t deny that scrum time is mostly a huge waste of time
I agree with your top three however the single biggest change that would make the sport better is to remove the tee entirely. All kicks must be from hand. This will reduce penalty fishing and simultaneously force player to make drop goals great again. Also as a 30 second kick clock.
Fewer subs also would be huge. I would love to see it down to 5. A front row. A back row. A utility forward a back and a general utility man who can play anywhere. Of course SA would go with a second tight 5 or something ridiculous but I think it would help.
Seriously though bin the tee. It’s just a completely non rugby skill that can be dropped and it would make the game way more interesting and lead to a lot more kicks to touch and actual on field play. You can’t tell me you love seeing tight games decided by a shit penalty and watching some chode with a mullet line up a kick for 3 minutes
Uggy could you do the a show on the pros and cons on a merged Rugby code would look like ?
Merging Union and League???
Yes @@richardgrant418
@@richardgrant418I know. It's a scary thought to ponder 😂
what about tmo mate. critical
Forgot about that old chestnut !
For the love of god, can they please be harsh on the jackal. Most jackal attempts are either illegal in terms of not supporting weight, or in terms of not allowing the player to place the ball. If the jackal was refereed harshly then rucking would be more important, meaning that more forwards are tied up. To win a ruck it should be a team pushing past the ball.
The tackle height shouldn’t be changed again for a while
Reduce the subs to 4 less penaltys for dominant scrums and dont penelise the collepse of a catterpillar maul,can stop a maul from any side no penalty.Less penalties.
Make scrums more competitive
If you could erase history and present people with rugby as it was long ago, point out some problems (as a knowledgeable advisor from the future) and let them start over, I think they could develop a game that'd be about as safe and more fun to play and watch, and with much simpler rules. Don't go back before 1877 though, because I think the RFU had the right idea in requiring immediate release after a tackle; we already have the versions that developed in the absence of that provision in Canadian and American football. Also, just a little better administration of that provision with the benefit of hindsight would probably take away the incentive of RL's evolution of the play-the-ball, since, after all, Union went on with rucking.
The tunnel and put-in requirements of the set scrum opened a can of worms that it seems can never be closed now, introducing dangers and increasing difficulty of fair administration. Similarly the development of the maul didn't have to go on the way it did historically. And there were simpler ways things could've gone regarding play from touch without leading to the aerial circus we see now.
A free kick for a scrum infringment is for the first offence, the referee must give a penulty for other infringments in the scrum afterwards. When have you seen multiple free kicks for scrum offenses in a game? Never. The referee has to penalise the team offending after the first offence, this is in the rugby rule book, he cannot keep on giving free kicks. I see multiple resets though especially if the referee is not willing to referee the situation properly. Springboks are safe.
If the shoulder tackle was legit (tackling without arms) Rugby would be the Premier sport period. Big hits means big following.
Miss those SBW shoulder hits 🤕🤣
Nerf the mauls pls, the moment the maul stops once call first stop, refs just wait for so long to call first stop and it inevitably pivots
So frustrating to know that there’s a law to solve slow scrums but it’s not being used. Probably because many teams would just scrum anyway.
Biggest one for me is to remove the knock on from in-goal. That'd speed up try reviews. If a player carries the ball into the ingoal but loses control on the touchdown but at least gets force down, f*** it, it's a try lets move on. There's so many rules I'd change to "fix" the game, but all that really has to happen is to stop the time wasting and remove the stoppages. Everything else is just tweaks. Love scrums , lineouts, mauls. That's the true heart of rugby. I heard ppl don't like mauls. To get rid of so many, we'd have to go back to the 1980s and ban lifting at lineouts. I don't want either to be banned, but that's the sport. To limit the use of one tactic, we'd have to mess with other integral parts of the game
-9s can’t go past the tunnel. YES!
- Extend the mark to the 10m line? That’s 80% of the pitch Brian! Why don’t we just stop forwards blocking at the ruck? It’s clear obstruction AND offside after all.
- Banning the caterpillar and enforcing the 5 sec rule is too subjective. Just ban the box kick if it’s that much of a problem.
- I know how to speed up scrums, get rid of them! You will also end up with three less players on the bench and 3 more players on the field with a wider skill set.
- Just get rid of the held up law. For 100 metres of the pitch tacklers must roll, but for some reason we change the rules ‘in goal’ so that we get less tries. Very bizarre rule.
- They trialled ‘no penalty kicks at goal’ about 12 years ago. It resulted in a line out maul festival, teams camped in the 22 and not much happening.
-Tackle height. No Comment!
Rugby without hard-core scrums already exists. It is called Rugby League and it is less popular.
What is so difficult to understand?
2:24 The bench was changed to 8 players because teams kept on finding creative ways to go to uncontested scrums. We were awful for it in England, my club Northampton infamously said that World Cup winning hooker Steve Thompson could only play flanker one game.
The French fixed it by bringing in the rule where you lose an extra player if you go to uncontested scrums along with having to have a complete front row on the bench. World Rugby just went for the bigger bench, but this didn't work (Wales vs France and Wales vs Georgia come to mind). So they quietly adopted the French law a few seasons ago.
Spent 12 hours at work but still back to watch this a 2nd time g keep up the vids GOAT much better than the woke mob
Haha you crack me up bro
Focus the TMO only on tries and on any in goal stuff, all the stoppages and unecessary stoppages for in field is slowing the play down and annoying time wasting tactics players yelling for video replays, stuff it move on if its in field
Even you explaining it is so confusing ...Rugby Dyslexia....Boxing is so much easier.
Boxing is pretty boring tbh
Ban kicking tees.
Bring back the sand! 🤣 drop goals only would save so much time
Babe wake up Uggy woke up
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Beware growing the game at the expense of the game.
Hard balancing act!
I love everything you said with common sense and intelligence so Thankyou. Til you suggested we pander to America because of grid iron. Yikes
🤣🤣 I was more getting at having timers used to speed up the play… but also to appeal to the 2031 host nation 😅
There are too many red cards for wrong tackle height in our game.
The fans demand a fair contest.Do we really want our game to be like horse racing.
In horse racing they have handicap events.In rugby we the handicap 14 event.
We need the 20 minute red card in our game.We can’t have another World Cup final turned into handicap event.
14 Vs 15 will never ever be fair contest!!
Imo totally ignoring the real issue on penalties. Its better to give up 3 and stop a try than to concede a try, even if that leads to a yellow card, because you just rinse and repeat.
penalties in rugby arent fit for purpose. Example A : a team defends a foot from their try line by going off side to prevent a try, first offense leads to a penalty advantage, which the attacking team restarts from the 5m line!, obvious gain from cheating there. if they take the 3 points the defending team gets to kick off deep into the opposition 22 and likely receives the ball for a lineout somewhere between the 22 and 30 metres from the try line. obvious advantage over conceding 5-7 points.
you cant stop them from cheating to prevent tries because there is no disadvantage, UNLESS a player gets sent off, and even then if you keep cheating well with 14 men you still dont concede a score.
the issue is not what teams do with the penalties they are awarded but rather that the infringement even happened to be penalised. how many times have we heard the argument that there is a penalty at every ruck so we cant referee is perfectly or the game would stop. so the punishment isn't working. fix that element!
the cure is to make an infringement punishable by direct points!
5 points awarded for a penalty directly, as well as advantage, and the opportunity to kick either for goal or a lineout, no stoppage in play just straight points and play on.
how many times do you think we'll see infringements?
rush defence in the attacking teams half, 3 defenders offside, 15 points!
defender offside at the try line, 5 points and advantage, leading to a try, converted, 12 points!
im convinced there wouldnt be one more infringement in a game if this was implemented. curing the issue.
Get rid of red and yellow cards, goto unless its blatantly obvious, and like league make 50/50 calls without TMO involved, slows the game down make it go on report for penalties outside of the game. Suffer consequences when heated decisions are made in game.
At this point I really just want people to bugger off and go watch rugby league instead.
Red cards punish the player but don't make the game safer. They can also ruin a game. Get rid of reds. Old world punishment that just doesn't work. Yellow is enough if we have to card but even then, something wrong if players are being removed from the game.
Folks need to watch an actual game of NFL, not movie depiction if they think the US have any issue with rugby being 'slow'.
NFL is a 60minute game of 4x15min quarters than averages, yes, AVERAGES, over 3hrs a game total time complete.
Rugby's issue is the piss poor officiating standards by comparison to other professional sports, end of story.
The scrum itself highlights how utterly poor officiating has gotten. Feed never straight. Zero accountability for time wasting and the list goes on and on. And wtf is there any sort of room for interpretation nonsense at the professional lvl and absolutely no set in stone regulations for infringements that lead to red cards.
World Rugby need to get their house in order, thats it, thats rugby's problem.
There so many gawd damn rules, just fucking enforce them!
Hey I’m a packers fan 🤣
It’s the clocks & use of time that people say reek of Americanisation. Like the shot clock in the NBA or the 40 second play clock in the NFL.
@@uggy I was referring to people complaining about rugby being "slow" as to why low US numbers, when not even close.
As for the Americanisation... fans showing their shallowness imho. Do people want the game sped up or not? Make up their minds. Do they want time wasting out the game, yes or no? What else is there when the referee's are so damn useless wrt enforcing the rules ect. Make it blatant, for all the fans to see and understand when teams are wasting time, which team it is, give the referee no where to hide wrt enforcing the rules.
Only thing worse than WR board ineptitute is the fairweather fan who knows nothing about the game while doing nothing but complain (for clarity, I definiately do not bunch you into this group).
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 we need to go for a beer! Completely agree
@@uggy Happily sit down, have you in my lounge over video call or something😂 Just make mine a whiskey😂. Oh, edited my 1st garble to clarify who Im talking about🙈
Yes please SPEED UP the game.
Rugby is rugby and stories about changing scrums etc is for soccer. Gridiron takes 3 hours per game so stop stupidity about time. Rest of the world dont have power and size of SA man and that is why they try to change the rules.
Kick England out of rugby g
Have less subs, tell me this aint aimed at the boks and ABs
Definitely the boks!
they could make less subs the boks would probably still cope we have plenty of hooker/flanker hybrids
Less SUBS
Get rid of the mark.
Nah g bad idea sounds like something Sleepy Joe says when he not keen to go to the podium lol
Rugby has borrowed lots of rules from rugby league (NRL) in the last 29 years. Might be time for reunification playing mainly rugby league rules.
I agree. The only thing that make Union worth it for me is the contest at the breakdown. Rugby League with rucks and mauls is the game I want to see
The Tv deal in the UK and Australia and New Zealand would be massive.
I wish I was a Elon Musk as I would FUND THAT. @@thecuttingsark5094