-7 to +7 is a 14% swing, not 10. Happy with my winter tyres, even if they're a bit noisy and inefficient. Wondering if lack of power to the front wheels most of the time is to give the computer an accurate road speed and indication of slipping of the rears (as well as being the more efficient motor).
Have you tried “off road assist” in settings? From manual: “Off-Road Assist balances the torque between the front and rear motors to optimize traction. “ Would be interesting to see if it can make it up the slope with off road assist.
Great job getting home and I think the Teslas are very efficient. It is the maller journies where it has to heat up and then you stop that are bad. Longer trips work well as you spread the heating over many miles.
Use the slip start mode! I did the other week in snow on summer tyres. It seems to get much better grip but also adjusts regen and acceleration input. Makes it feel super solid and safe.
@@travellingmalin4029 ICE 4x4 have had this mode for many years and it's perfect. I wonder why Tesla has not adopted it properly yet . Such a help in bad conditions
It seems like a strange decision to me that you invested in a spare set of wheels and then fitted all season tyres. A set of mid-range winter tyres would be cheaper than the all season and significantly better in snow and ice.
I suspect you didn’t enjoy making this as much as I enjoyed watching it. Actually found it really interesting that you had to adapt the video to include the slow scenes. Thanks for continuing with the video even though it must’ve made a bit nervous. This just goes to provethat the Sun newspaper a lot of morons like them don’t have a valid point when it comes to electric vehicles. Thanks once again.
I hadn’t expected snow in Sheffield - wasn’t a problem to get about in. I was expecting a possibility of snow at home later, though not the conditions we had
I think as Tesla drivers we do get spoiled with the charging….I also hate splitting a charge as you “only” get 70 odd kWh charge rate. Then I remind myself that loads of chargers only give 50 at best so I just suck it up😆
I can't say I'm a fan of all season tyres, they're certainly better than the "eco" tyres commonly fitted as factory standard these days that are very much summer tyres and downright dangerous in winter conditions; but they are still a compromise. I live in northern Scotland a mile or so off the public road, I can comfortably negotiate our access road with 2WD and mid-range winter tyres on hard packed snow when visitors to the holiday cottage that shares the access are getting stuck with all season even in AWD and 4WD cars. I have a spare set of wheels fitted with the winters and swap November/March, in reality the only cost is the wheels as tyres wear is spread over two sets so they all last longer
Out of interest, are the all season tyres marketed there with the 3 mountain peak symbol? I've seen information that suggests that "American" all season tyres are quite different from European versions which are sometimes called four season and which are marked with the three mountain peaks winter certification. Obviously there's a difference between these and full winter but one of my vehicles from a couple of decades ago, had "all season" but we're just chunky tyres on a 4x4, very different to what we have today.
@@djtaylorutube I'm in Canada, so it might be different, but our approved winter tires has a logo of a mountain with a snowflake in it. This is mandatory in the province of Quebec for the winters, you are not allowed to use any type of "all-seasons" tires that I know of.
@Altalus Yep makes sense. There are certain four season tyres here that have the three mountain peak+snow symbol. Michelin Cross Climate, Goodyear Vector 4 Season, Continental AlSeason Contact. These are allowed in European countries where winter tyres with the symbol are required. Some great tyre tests on RUclips. However, a Canadian winter snow or other country with similar, I'd be on full winter tyres anyway. What happens in the UK is the annoying couple of days of small amount of snow but most cars on low profile summer tyres and chaos ensures.
@@djtaylorutube make sense that every region has their own rules :) Fun fact, I did a quick trip to Québec City and it (finally) snowed, the car was awesome and you can actually see how the air gets redirected from the hood to the top of the car from what the snowflakes barely touched the car and most got deflected by the air :D
You should have called this video “snow hard, with a vengeance”… Question though: why not use the slip mode so that you could still park on your driveway?
physics then, I might adopt this habit. 5mph is nothing on most journeys. Though a hot driving day between Manchester & Chunnel, with slow traffic periods saw my MY (260m range) get 300+ miles. Watched the 2x 8min charging stops disappear enroute. So car does adapt well.
We spend the winter in a french ski resort where yiu have to have by law 3 peaks tyres or snow chains. I've used the snow chains to get out of a csr park once in the 9 years we have been there. 4 of those years were in a Range though. Wehn we had MCC2 fitted they gave dexent grip bit struggled in some car parks or where the road hadnt been cleared. They also didnt feel great when the roads were full of snow melt water. First year in a tesla that still has summer tyres but we have chains. Its the times like on the vid where its snowing on the road and you debate stopping in a town and letting the roads get cleared
In a way it shows the difference of AWD and 4x4 wear there is a massive difference. That owning a Rangy having high and low ratios is very handy ground clearance also aids and trick diffs ern there keep if in snow and off rd witch I actually do occasionally, going to do site visits for customers. I’ve gone up hills wear AWD / duel motor Tesla’s and other AWD cars and suvs wear struggling. It’s not all about power it’s about how it’s delivered and experience pays off also. AWD is fantastic for racing and normal motoring but as said can fall apart in actual tricky situations like snow ice off-road. But as you did having decent tyres is highly recommend. Personally I wouldn’t really on the computer to get it right all the time especially if it defolts to rear power it will only take one miscalculation and you be in a spin especially in icy snow conditions.
The car’s computers didn’t detect enough wheel slippage because of the higher grip tyres to sense that AWD was needed - my fossil 4WD is the same but at least I don’t need an app to see as I have a 13” screen in the dash that I can set to show what the 4WD system is doing and where the grip is/isn’t. My electric Mini Countryman has AWD but like your Tesla I have no idea what is happening at the wheels in those conditions and would need an app to see what was happening. Another issue I found last week with the EV Countryman was that charging at -7C on offpeak IOG was dire, really slow with a cold battery and there’s no way to heat the battery for slow AC charging - it will precondition the battery for DC fast charging and I can force it manually do that but the car has to be moving for that function to work. I suspect that the Teslas are the same with no battery heating when AC charging - could you investigate whether you have battery preconditioning (as opposed to cabin preconditioning) for AC charging in the Tesla? I could set a cabin pre-condition that will slightly warm the battery in my car so maybe next cold snap I should set it to auto start 30 minutes before the car starts to charge in the middle of the night to see if that improves the charge rate.
Another really useful video, especially for a newbie like myself (delivery day this Monday coming!). Can I ask how you set up the climate control to be comfortable and not mist up, as that’s the one thing that people are trying to make me nervous about… For reference my weekly trip to work will be 230 miles each way once a week, all motorway miles across the M4… Thanks again, really appreciate the content 👍
please use the same View as in ''My AWD Tesla Model Y is RWD most of the time.'' it is much more comforting to view. Most importantly please show us the Teslogic App like in that Video.
I.must confess I'm disappointed in the Michelin CrossClimate 2 Tyres couldn't get you into your driveway on that gentle slope. I would expect dedicated winter tyres to have no trouble with that. Food for thought. I don't feel I can justify winter tyres on my Model Y over a 3 year lease in Hampshire. My wife's car is on winter tyres now so we can always use that if the weather gets really bad.
@@justgetatesla Maybe the S3XY product could give you "Off Road" mode like the Model Y vehicles in the US? AFAIK, the AWD Model 3 vehicles in the states do not have "Off Road Mode" and not sure if the older Model Y's have it either. Maybe owners can confirm this?
Wait the U.K. doesn’t get Snow mode? You’d think a company that prides itself on the computer helping you out you’d think Snow mode would be a option. Right Elon.. get it sorted.
As a non-EV driver curious about what they are like to live with, some numbers would be handy. For example, you left at the start on 80% and made it to the first charger at less than 10%, how far had you travelled? Total journey time and number of charges would be handy. Not being able to reach your home charger and parking on the pavement highlight a couple of potential issues.
Hi Dave - I’ve shot loads of videos showing exact numbers / costs etc. as for not being able to reach my charger - nothing goes up that side lane when it is bad, regardless of fuel type. Well ok, the laird can get his tractor up there…
@@justgetatesla Very good, I'll go back and watch, just thought a few battery level and mileage numbers on the screen would help build a picture of daily life. As for not being able to make it to the home charger, just pointing out it's more of an issue for an EV than ICE.
@@DaveG7920Not really. It would just temporarily alter the cost. I see this sort of question when people say "what will you do in a power cut?" Same as I'd do with an ICE car given that I don't have a fuel pump on the drive, I would drive the car to a high power charger. Most recent respondent to that came back with "good luck with that!" and no response to my question as to what their perceived issue would be. Let's put it in numbers. At 20% charge, I've got around another 40 miles (being conservative). Draw a radius around the house of 40 miles and then look at all the charging options then ask when was the last time we had power cuts that would take out all power in that circle. If I'd been on a trip and was in any doubt about my ability to access my charger, I would charge a bit enroute. Last resort would be much simpler... Spend some time with a shovel and clear the snow. 🤷
Hi from Brooklyn NY! Great content. Just a suggestion, when recording during inclement weather, keep the wipers on full time otherwise the camera focuses on the rain on your windshield. I’m sure you can see clearly down the road when you have them on intermittent, but not the camera. Btw, the “mostly rear wheel drive” episode was a real eye opener!
@@colinnich Winter tyres aren't just for snow and ice, they give more grip when the road surface (not air temperature) drops below about 7c, and tend to be more resistant to aquaplaning which is very useful in the sleety rain we get a lot of through winter. Get them fitted to a spare set of wheels and swap over yourself, overall it works out cheaper because you can benefit from the low rolling resistance of standard tyres in summer and a mid-range winter tyre costs less than a decent all season whilst being far more capable in the snow. Have you ever driven a car equipped with winter tyres in deep snow or on hard packed snow?
Preconditioning the battery costs money and does not charge faster as the extra used to precondition, takes the extra time you save by the pre heated batteries.
@@ronnielloyd4676 Tried it. Adding an extra 3% equalises the charge time as you only get high speed for the first few percent. then It drops off. Charge time to 80% was nearly exactly the same with or without preconditioning. Air temperature 13C. Perhaps it will be different in minus.
That’s an interesting take. Preconditioning does two things - it gets the battery to a safe temper to allow rapid charging, and it makes for a faster charge. As thermal management of a battery is the difference between it lasting and it not lasting, why would you want to turn your Tesla into a Nissan Leaf?
That bottom 3% you lose to preconditioning would be gained back pretty much in the first minute of charging at 250kW - I think preconditioning is very much worth it.
@@colinnich The fastest I have ever seen after preconditioning is 225 for thirty seconds, dropping very fast for every thirty seconds that elapse. The fastest without preconditioning is 215 for thirty seconds then leveling out at about the same rate. Factor in the fact you will get there without but run out with and the time spent charging is of no importance.
I can't say I'm a pro at Scottish weather, but I suspect it's quite the same as we have in southern part of Sweden where I live. Majority of time fairly little to none snow but in periods some snow and a few of these maniac snow storms making sure the whole system collapses. Hope I'm right here. Anyway. All season tires are not recommended here because in summertime they are not really good and not in winter conditions either. The braking length are extensively longer with those tires than winter tires. The traction can not be compared to proper winter tires (even studless) when it comes to all seasons. With my studless Nokian R5 EV (standard studless option from Tesla) I would have had no problems climbing that slope where you got stucked. Volvo started to deliver their cars with all season tires, of course to save money. But the tests with these tires failing in so many aspects and the public storm against a company that lives on the reputation of safety made them stop this nonsense in Sweden. Always a personal preference of course what equipment everyone puts on their own cars. But for me I stick with two pair of tires, at least until the all season ones can match both summer- and winter tires better for our type of weather. And thanks for these two videos that turned into something totally different than intended. Surprises are always welcome even if I understand that you were not so amused driving in that crap weather. Good for us viewers but understandable not so amusing for you as the driver. Driving in snow storms are never relaxing, but doing it in a Tesla makes things tons more easy thanks to the car is a beast handling poor conditions. It's spooky good at it.
I've never been to southern Sweden, but I have family at Rakkestad, 25km on the Norwegian side of the border, and overall they seem to get slightly more cold and wintry weather than the majority of Scotland but less than we get in the non-coastal Highlands. I can't imagine the weather changes too much as it crosses the border into Sweden!😉 In your part of Sweden do you have to fit winter rated tyres between certain dates, or do you only have to fit them if you take to the road in wintry conditions? In Scotland, and the rest of the UK, there is no law on the subject at all. Only about 4% of cars in the UK are switched to full winter tyres each year, although it's around 18% in Scotland. There has been an increase in the proportion of cars on all season tyres, again biased towards Scotland, but the reality is that most cars are still on standard tyres which, you'll no doubt agree, are completely unsuitable for snow and ice.
@@garysmith5025 Rakkestad is 4 hours drive from my home town northwest. It's a little more harsh conditions there because it's a bit far more north with more snow than I have. The law we have in Sweden demand winter tyres in the time December - 31 March. You can use winter tyres out that period if they not the studded tires. Studded tires can only be used 1 October - 15 April and are forbidden 16 April - 30 September with the exception of winter road conditions. It's many dates to remember and can be confusing but it is working for us living with the law. We also have an increase of all season tires here. But they are not very popular because they have been tested with bad results for bot summer- and winter conditions. That's why Swedes generally have two sets of wheels for winter and summer season. We have as you mention some problems with people driving with summer tires in winter conditions and of course it's life threatening to do so. The biggest problem however is that people don't change tires in good time before the first snow... creating total chaos in the first snow weather because they block the roads due lack of traction and inability to break.With the low numbers of cars with actual winter tires it sounds like some new laws are needed.
11:28 LOL watching from the states-this camera angle made it appear to me that you were in the passenger seat. I experienced a moment of cognitive dissonance compounded by wonder, then chagrin.
@ lol not on your life, or mine. Had a clear (though complex) safety related disengagement today. Maybe FSD could have reacted, but I chose to intervene before that could be tested
@ Given an electric heater is a relatively high consuming item of electricity, it can have quite an impact on equipment with a finite capacity of electricity before it can be recharged. But I really don’t need to tell you that do I! My point is it is all part of the equation operating an EV in adverse conditions. Perhaps if you can address that to the near zero C conditions experienced on this trip
@@Angloman516His Tesla, like mine has a very efficienct heat pump. Over a long journey, the energy use is between 1 to 1.5% for that trip. It's just not worth talking about with a heat pump car, or really a PTC. What happens with PTC (resistive) is this: Driving along with a car that shows guesstimated range based on instant power use, let's say range is reported as 150 miles. Turn on a 3kW resistive heater and the instant range is now reported as "losing 30 miles" but after a few minutes the cabin is at temperature and the actual draw is very much less thereafter. A lot of people don't understand this and scream about range when the heater is on. Nobody mentions that in ICE, the heater is only making use of the 70% waste heat that they've paid for! Bizarre really. A heat pump required car can sit with the climate control on for several days though, not really a problem.
I’m amazed it didn’t get up your side driveway. I’m in Sheffield where you started and our Škoda scout 4x4 with Michelin Cross climate tyres was like a snow plough that day up our ungritted steep cul de sac, no issues at all. What happened did it just spin all 4 wheels? Very odd as those Michelins out perform some cheaper winter tyres in testing. Interesting video.
I was thinking the same... What happened! I've got cross climate 2's on my twin motor XC40. Being a first edition it has permanent 4 wheel drive but we haven't had the snow to go and play. A few years ago in either of my AWD XC60s with Continental ContiCrossContact and later with cross climates no amount of snow bother it one bit and we live at the top of a big hill in the middle of the country side where the roads do not get any form of winter attention. The XC40 has an off road mode. I wonder if the Tesla has some drive modes where AWD can be selected. I thought with the XC60 AWD is active when you pull away and then the rear drive would disengage unless needed.
I think I had the wrong setting on the car and frankly was exhausted so just left it out. Either way, digging was required to extract later - had to cut a gap through the ice wall to get the Tesla back out onto the wall, and to get my other car out down that side lane had to dig another load of ice out
@@justgetatesla there's a setting called slip start that another video mentioned. The efficiency of your car on the drive was really impressive. Although mine has a heat pump it also has a electric heater which it makes use of 5c and below unless you put the car in range mode where it will only use the heat pump and recovered heat.
Side point, not related to fuel type, travelling on the motorway at speeds low enough to be overtaken by a HGV (limited to 56mph) as you were at the start of the video, is a big no, no in my opinion. Perhaps you were about to exit the motorway though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
I’m making videos. Tesla are the best EVs. EVs are the best cars. Pick a brand and there will be issues with ownership / history. Being holier-than-thou gets us nowhere
The least democratically elected UK government ever you mean? Anyway, that aside, I watched the whole video, but I must have missed that part about politics.
@@brendanpells912 Please,let’s stop bringing politics into this. Ian enjoys his Tesla, as I do mine. He’s right. tesla re the best EVs and EVs a re the best cars
VW has its roots in late 1930's Germany, Henry Ford was well known to be anti-Semitic and a Nazi sympathiser, Fiat was heavily involved in Italian Fascism, should we all avoid their products? I find Musk to be a deeply unpleasant person, and he'd probably describe me as being "woke". I have no interest in buying a Tesla, but their chargers are cheap and reliable, and holding a few hundred Tesla shares for the past three and a half years has brought my retirement forward by 3 years and will make it more comfortable; so as far as I'm concerned I'm the one who shall having the last laugh.
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More than 3 mm of snow, I'm surprised the whole country didn't grind to a halt.
-7 to +7 is a 14% swing, not 10.
Happy with my winter tyres, even if they're a bit noisy and inefficient.
Wondering if lack of power to the front wheels most of the time is to give the computer an accurate road speed and indication of slipping of the rears (as well as being the more efficient motor).
Was he not talking of another 5% (approx) for battery conditioning being not included? I don’t really know and too cold to go hunting in the snow!
Have you tried “off road assist” in settings?
From manual: “Off-Road Assist balances the torque between the front and rear motors to optimize traction. “
Would be interesting to see if it can make it up the slope with off road assist.
Great job getting home and I think the Teslas are very efficient. It is the maller journies where it has to heat up and then you stop that are bad. Longer trips work well as you spread the heating over many miles.
Be good if Tesla would do an update with a snow mode where it’s limited to 10mph but both motors work at the same time.
Use the slip start mode! I did the other week in snow on summer tyres. It seems to get much better grip but also adjusts regen and acceleration input. Makes it feel super solid and safe.
@@travellingmalin4029 ICE 4x4 have had this mode for many years and it's perfect. I wonder why Tesla has not adopted it properly yet . Such a help in bad conditions
We have slip start
Bought a spare set of alloys and fitted them with Michelin crossclomate 2 tyres. My m3 lr will go almost anywhere now.
It seems like a strange decision to me that you invested in a spare set of wheels and then fitted all season tyres. A set of mid-range winter tyres would be cheaper than the all season and significantly better in snow and ice.
I'm sure the front motor would have kicked in if needed for traction, but the tyres you have will be providing all the traction you need without that.
I suspect you didn’t enjoy making this as much as I enjoyed watching it. Actually found it really interesting that you had to adapt the video to include the slow scenes. Thanks for continuing with the video even though it must’ve made a bit nervous. This just goes to provethat the Sun newspaper a lot of morons like them don’t have a valid point when it comes to electric vehicles. Thanks once again.
I hadn’t expected snow in Sheffield - wasn’t a problem to get about in. I was expecting a possibility of snow at home later, though not the conditions we had
I think as Tesla drivers we do get spoiled with the charging….I also hate splitting a charge as you “only” get 70 odd kWh charge rate. Then I remind myself that loads of chargers only give 50 at best so I just suck it up😆
I can't say I'm a fan of all season tyres, they're certainly better than the "eco" tyres commonly fitted as factory standard these days that are very much summer tyres and downright dangerous in winter conditions; but they are still a compromise. I live in northern Scotland a mile or so off the public road, I can comfortably negotiate our access road with 2WD and mid-range winter tyres on hard packed snow when visitors to the holiday cottage that shares the access are getting stuck with all season even in AWD and 4WD cars. I have a spare set of wheels fitted with the winters and swap November/March, in reality the only cost is the wheels as tyres wear is spread over two sets so they all last longer
No snow (yet) in Quebec, but I cannot wait to try my new winter tires (we are not allowed to have all-seasons in winters here) on my AWD Model 3 :D
Out of interest, are the all season tyres marketed there with the 3 mountain peak symbol?
I've seen information that suggests that "American" all season tyres are quite different from European versions which are sometimes called four season and which are marked with the three mountain peaks winter certification.
Obviously there's a difference between these and full winter but one of my vehicles from a couple of decades ago, had "all season" but we're just chunky tyres on a 4x4, very different to what we have today.
@@djtaylorutube I'm in Canada, so it might be different, but our approved winter tires has a logo of a mountain with a snowflake in it. This is mandatory in the province of Quebec for the winters, you are not allowed to use any type of "all-seasons" tires that I know of.
@Altalus Yep makes sense. There are certain four season tyres here that have the three mountain peak+snow symbol.
Michelin Cross Climate, Goodyear Vector 4 Season, Continental AlSeason Contact.
These are allowed in European countries where winter tyres with the symbol are required.
Some great tyre tests on RUclips.
However, a Canadian winter snow or other country with similar, I'd be on full winter tyres anyway. What happens in the UK is the annoying couple of days of small amount of snow but most cars on low profile summer tyres and chaos ensures.
@@djtaylorutube make sense that every region has their own rules :) Fun fact, I did a quick trip to Québec City and it (finally) snowed, the car was awesome and you can actually see how the air gets redirected from the hood to the top of the car from what the snowflakes barely touched the car and most got deflected by the air :D
You should have called this video “snow hard, with a vengeance”…
Question though: why not use the slip mode so that you could still park on your driveway?
physics then, I might adopt this habit. 5mph is nothing on most journeys. Though a hot driving day between Manchester & Chunnel, with slow traffic periods saw my MY (260m range) get 300+ miles. Watched the 2x 8min charging stops disappear enroute. So car does adapt well.
We spend the winter in a french ski resort where yiu have to have by law 3 peaks tyres or snow chains. I've used the snow chains to get out of a csr park once in the 9 years we have been there. 4 of those years were in a Range though. Wehn we had MCC2 fitted they gave dexent grip bit struggled in some car parks or where the road hadnt been cleared. They also didnt feel great when the roads were full of snow melt water. First year in a tesla that still has summer tyres but we have chains. Its the times like on the vid where its snowing on the road and you debate stopping in a town and letting the roads get cleared
In a way it shows the difference of AWD and 4x4 wear there is a massive difference. That owning a Rangy having high and low ratios is very handy ground clearance also aids and trick diffs ern there keep if in snow and off rd witch I actually do occasionally, going to do site visits for customers. I’ve gone up hills wear AWD / duel motor Tesla’s and other AWD cars and suvs wear struggling. It’s not all about power it’s about how it’s delivered and experience pays off also. AWD is fantastic for racing and normal motoring but as said can fall apart in actual tricky situations like snow ice off-road. But as you did having decent tyres is highly recommend. Personally I wouldn’t really on the computer to get it right all the time especially if it defolts to rear power it will only take one miscalculation and you be in a spin especially in icy snow conditions.
Would have been good to see how the Tesla struggled up the incline on your drive, do you have any footage you could post
I don’t
Those of us who live in Sheffield were expecting the snow, it was very well predicted!
The car’s computers didn’t detect enough wheel slippage because of the higher grip tyres to sense that AWD was needed - my fossil 4WD is the same but at least I don’t need an app to see as I have a 13” screen in the dash that I can set to show what the 4WD system is doing and where the grip is/isn’t. My electric Mini Countryman has AWD but like your Tesla I have no idea what is happening at the wheels in those conditions and would need an app to see what was happening. Another issue I found last week with the EV Countryman was that charging at -7C on offpeak IOG was dire, really slow with a cold battery and there’s no way to heat the battery for slow AC charging - it will precondition the battery for DC fast charging and I can force it manually do that but the car has to be moving for that function to work. I suspect that the Teslas are the same with no battery heating when AC charging - could you investigate whether you have battery preconditioning (as opposed to cabin preconditioning) for AC charging in the Tesla? I could set a cabin pre-condition that will slightly warm the battery in my car so maybe next cold snap I should set it to auto start 30 minutes before the car starts to charge in the middle of the night to see if that improves the charge rate.
Another really useful video, especially for a newbie like myself (delivery day this Monday coming!). Can I ask how you set up the climate control to be comfortable and not mist up, as that’s the one thing that people are trying to make me nervous about… For reference my weekly trip to work will be 230 miles each way once a week, all motorway miles across the M4… Thanks again, really appreciate the content 👍
I genuinely leave it on auto! A setup video will be shot in the near future…
+1 for leaving on auto.
Yep me too
please use the same View as in ''My AWD Tesla Model Y is RWD most of the time.''
it is much more comforting to view.
Most importantly please show us the Teslogic App like in that Video.
My GoPro mount broke! I now have a new one
I'm in Pennsylvania and so far we've had an incredibly warm fall and I am not looking forward to driving in the snow.
Have you tried putting the car into Off Road Assist mode to see if that affects the amount of power distribution between front and back.
Shhhhhh - that’s a future video
I was told not to use N when driving due to Eddy current produced by motor feeding back to power electrics may cause damage. ??
You need to get the sexy button, snow mode can been enable through the app
Hello from sunny spain 😂
I.must confess I'm disappointed in the Michelin CrossClimate 2 Tyres couldn't get you into your driveway on that gentle slope. I would expect dedicated winter tyres to have no trouble with that. Food for thought.
I don't feel I can justify winter tyres on my Model Y over a 3 year lease in Hampshire. My wife's car is on winter tyres now so we can always use that if the weather gets really bad.
I wonder if you have snow mode we have it here in our version of software in NA.
We do not
@@justgetatesla Maybe the S3XY product could give you "Off Road" mode like the Model Y vehicles in the US? AFAIK, the AWD Model 3 vehicles in the states do not have "Off Road Mode" and not sure if the older Model Y's have it either. Maybe owners can confirm this?
@justgetatesla could you try off road mode for driving in snow and see if it activates AWD?
Wait the U.K. doesn’t get Snow mode? You’d think a company that prides itself on the computer helping you out you’d think Snow mode would be a option. Right Elon.. get it sorted.
@ it’s probably a UK regulation 🤷♂️
As a non-EV driver curious about what they are like to live with, some numbers would be handy. For example, you left at the start on 80% and made it to the first charger at less than 10%, how far had you travelled? Total journey time and number of charges would be handy.
Not being able to reach your home charger and parking on the pavement highlight a couple of potential issues.
Hi Dave - I’ve shot loads of videos showing exact numbers / costs etc. as for not being able to reach my charger - nothing goes up that side lane when it is bad, regardless of fuel type. Well ok, the laird can get his tractor up there…
@@justgetatesla Very good, I'll go back and watch, just thought a few battery level and mileage numbers on the screen would help build a picture of daily life. As for not being able to make it to the home charger, just pointing out it's more of an issue for an EV than ICE.
@@DaveG7920Not really. It would just temporarily alter the cost.
I see this sort of question when people say "what will you do in a power cut?"
Same as I'd do with an ICE car given that I don't have a fuel pump on the drive, I would drive the car to a high power charger.
Most recent respondent to that came back with "good luck with that!" and no response to my question as to what their perceived issue would be.
Let's put it in numbers. At 20% charge, I've got around another 40 miles (being conservative).
Draw a radius around the house of 40 miles and then look at all the charging options then ask when was the last time we had power cuts that would take out all power in that circle.
If I'd been on a trip and was in any doubt about my ability to access my charger, I would charge a bit enroute.
Last resort would be much simpler... Spend some time with a shovel and clear the snow. 🤷
Hi from Brooklyn NY! Great content. Just a suggestion, when recording during inclement weather, keep the wipers on full time otherwise the camera focuses on the rain on your windshield. I’m sure you can see clearly down the road when you have them on intermittent, but not the camera. Btw, the “mostly rear wheel drive” episode was a real eye opener!
Yeah I noticed that in the edit - sorry!
Interesting video. Why did you not opt for winter tyres? Would have been good to see how it would fare up to the hill at the end.
I'm guessing because changing tyres twice a year just isn't worth the hassle for the week or two of snow we get in Scotland.
@@colinnich Winter tyres aren't just for snow and ice, they give more grip when the road surface (not air temperature) drops below about 7c, and tend to be more resistant to aquaplaning which is very useful in the sleety rain we get a lot of through winter. Get them fitted to a spare set of wheels and swap over yourself, overall it works out cheaper because you can benefit from the low rolling resistance of standard tyres in summer and a mid-range winter tyre costs less than a decent all season whilst being far more capable in the snow.
Have you ever driven a car equipped with winter tyres in deep snow or on hard packed snow?
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Preconditioning the battery costs money and does not charge faster as the extra used to precondition, takes the extra time you save by the pre heated batteries.
That's interesting. Where have you seen this explained and tested. It's not what I've been lead to believe by some industry experts.
@@ronnielloyd4676 Tried it. Adding an extra 3% equalises the charge time as you only get high speed for the first few percent. then It drops off. Charge time to 80% was nearly exactly the same with or without preconditioning. Air temperature 13C. Perhaps it will be different in minus.
That’s an interesting take. Preconditioning does two things - it gets the battery to a safe temper to allow rapid charging, and it makes for a faster charge. As thermal management of a battery is the difference between it lasting and it not lasting, why would you want to turn your Tesla into a Nissan Leaf?
That bottom 3% you lose to preconditioning would be gained back pretty much in the first minute of charging at 250kW - I think preconditioning is very much worth it.
@@colinnich The fastest I have ever seen after preconditioning is 225 for thirty seconds, dropping very fast for every thirty seconds that elapse. The fastest without preconditioning is 215 for thirty seconds then leveling out at about the same rate. Factor in the fact you will get there without but run out with and the time spent charging is of no importance.
I am surprised that 4 wheel drive wouldn't get you a bit further . Is it possible to put the tesla into that mode manually if you wanted
There is that mode, but I gave up
I can't say I'm a pro at Scottish weather, but I suspect it's quite the same as we have in southern part of Sweden where I live. Majority of time fairly little to none snow but in periods some snow and a few of these maniac snow storms making sure the whole system collapses. Hope I'm right here. Anyway. All season tires are not recommended here because in summertime they are not really good and not in winter conditions either. The braking length are extensively longer with those tires than winter tires. The traction can not be compared to proper winter tires (even studless) when it comes to all seasons. With my studless Nokian R5 EV (standard studless option from Tesla) I would have had no problems climbing that slope where you got stucked. Volvo started to deliver their cars with all season tires, of course to save money. But the tests with these tires failing in so many aspects and the public storm against a company that lives on the reputation of safety made them stop this nonsense in Sweden. Always a personal preference of course what equipment everyone puts on their own cars. But for me I stick with two pair of tires, at least until the all season ones can match both summer- and winter tires better for our type of weather. And thanks for these two videos that turned into something totally different than intended. Surprises are always welcome even if I understand that you were not so amused driving in that crap weather. Good for us viewers but understandable not so amusing for you as the driver. Driving in snow storms are never relaxing, but doing it in a Tesla makes things tons more easy thanks to the car is a beast handling poor conditions. It's spooky good at it.
I've never been to southern Sweden, but I have family at Rakkestad, 25km on the Norwegian side of the border, and overall they seem to get slightly more cold and wintry weather than the majority of Scotland but less than we get in the non-coastal Highlands. I can't imagine the weather changes too much as it crosses the border into Sweden!😉
In your part of Sweden do you have to fit winter rated tyres between certain dates, or do you only have to fit them if you take to the road in wintry conditions? In Scotland, and the rest of the UK, there is no law on the subject at all. Only about 4% of cars in the UK are switched to full winter tyres each year, although it's around 18% in Scotland. There has been an increase in the proportion of cars on all season tyres, again biased towards Scotland, but the reality is that most cars are still on standard tyres which, you'll no doubt agree, are completely unsuitable for snow and ice.
@@garysmith5025 Rakkestad is 4 hours drive from my home town northwest. It's a little more harsh conditions there because it's a bit far more north with more snow than I have. The law we have in Sweden demand winter tyres in the time December - 31 March. You can use winter tyres out that period if they not the studded tires. Studded tires can only be used 1 October - 15 April and are forbidden 16 April - 30 September with the exception of winter road conditions. It's many dates to remember and can be confusing but it is working for us living with the law. We also have an increase of all season tires here. But they are not very popular because they have been tested with bad results for bot summer- and winter conditions. That's why Swedes generally have two sets of wheels for winter and summer season. We have as you mention some problems with people driving with summer tires in winter conditions and of course it's life threatening to do so. The biggest problem however is that people don't change tires in good time before the first snow... creating total chaos in the first snow weather because they block the roads due lack of traction and inability to break.With the low numbers of cars with actual winter tires it sounds like some new laws are needed.
11:28 LOL watching from the states-this camera angle made it appear to me that you were in the passenger seat. I experienced a moment of cognitive dissonance compounded by wonder, then chagrin.
Surely with your American FSD you could sit where I sit 😏😂
@ lol not on your life, or mine. Had a clear (though complex) safety related disengagement today. Maybe FSD could have reacted, but I chose to intervene before that could be tested
No mention as to the car comfort heater being used!
The what?
@ Yer know! The thing that everyone uses in an ICE car in the winter!
@@Angloman516 why would he mention it? Did you think it was off? Did the Daily Mail tell you that? 😂
@ Given an electric heater is a relatively high consuming item of electricity, it can have quite an impact on equipment with a finite capacity of electricity before it can be recharged. But I really don’t need to tell you that do I!
My point is it is all part of the equation operating an EV in adverse conditions. Perhaps if you can address that to the near zero C conditions experienced on this trip
@@Angloman516His Tesla, like mine has a very efficienct heat pump. Over a long journey, the energy use is between 1 to 1.5% for that trip.
It's just not worth talking about with a heat pump car, or really a PTC.
What happens with PTC (resistive) is this:
Driving along with a car that shows guesstimated range based on instant power use, let's say range is reported as 150 miles. Turn on a 3kW resistive heater and the instant range is now reported as "losing 30 miles" but after a few minutes the cabin is at temperature and the actual draw is very much less thereafter.
A lot of people don't understand this and scream about range when the heater is on.
Nobody mentions that in ICE, the heater is only making use of the 70% waste heat that they've paid for! Bizarre really.
A heat pump required car can sit with the climate control on for several days though, not really a problem.
Wonder if 65mph (no faster) is the sweet spot speed & range for highways?
It is - and was when I was driving diesels
I’m amazed it didn’t get up your side driveway. I’m in Sheffield where you started and our Škoda scout 4x4 with Michelin Cross climate tyres was like a snow plough that day up our ungritted steep cul de sac, no issues at all. What happened did it just spin all 4 wheels? Very odd as those Michelins out perform some cheaper winter tyres in testing. Interesting video.
I was thinking the same... What happened! I've got cross climate 2's on my twin motor XC40. Being a first edition it has permanent 4 wheel drive but we haven't had the snow to go and play. A few years ago in either of my AWD XC60s with Continental ContiCrossContact and later with cross climates no amount of snow bother it one bit and we live at the top of a big hill in the middle of the country side where the roads do not get any form of winter attention. The XC40 has an off road mode. I wonder if the Tesla has some drive modes where AWD can be selected. I thought with the XC60 AWD is active when you pull away and then the rear drive would disengage unless needed.
I think I had the wrong setting on the car and frankly was exhausted so just left it out. Either way, digging was required to extract later - had to cut a gap through the ice wall to get the Tesla back out onto the wall, and to get my other car out down that side lane had to dig another load of ice out
@ don’t blame you! Long day! The joys of living in the North Pole I guess.
@@justgetatesla there's a setting called slip start that another video mentioned. The efficiency of your car on the drive was really impressive. Although mine has a heat pump it also has a electric heater which it makes use of 5c and below unless you put the car in range mode where it will only use the heat pump and recovered heat.
Is that connector on the car the old style ? So confusing 🫤 different styles on model y?
UK Model 3s and Ys are CCS2 and always have been
When is an AWD an AWD? Has anyone asked Elon?
Hi Ian I think its better not to enter your outsitemirrors
-7% prediction on start due to cold battery?
Yes, and high consumption
Maybe Elon should include a forced AWD button.
offroad mode on the ModelY.
to bad the Model3 doesn't have that from the factory.
Aperently, you can force it with the Sexy buttons on the 3
Side point, not related to fuel type, travelling on the motorway at speeds low enough to be overtaken by a HGV (limited to 56mph) as you were at the start of the video, is a big no, no in my opinion.
Perhaps you were about to exit the motorway though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
I was doing HGV speed. The truck was not 😳
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Got a spell of rain a while back did you not Spain?
I see you're still promoting Tesla/Musk/Trump/MAGA despite Musk calling for the overthrow of the democratically-elected UK government.
I’m making videos. Tesla are the best EVs. EVs are the best cars. Pick a brand and there will be issues with ownership / history. Being holier-than-thou gets us nowhere
The least democratically elected UK government ever you mean? Anyway, that aside, I watched the whole video, but I must have missed that part about politics.
@colinnich You can't separate support of Tesla with support for Musk and everything he stands for. It doesn't need to be spelt out.
@@brendanpells912 Please,let’s stop bringing politics into this. Ian enjoys his Tesla, as I do mine. He’s right. tesla re the best EVs and EVs a re the best cars
VW has its roots in late 1930's Germany, Henry Ford was well known to be anti-Semitic and a Nazi sympathiser, Fiat was heavily involved in Italian Fascism, should we all avoid their products?
I find Musk to be a deeply unpleasant person, and he'd probably describe me as being "woke". I have no interest in buying a Tesla, but their chargers are cheap and reliable, and holding a few hundred Tesla shares for the past three and a half years has brought my retirement forward by 3 years and will make it more comfortable; so as far as I'm concerned I'm the one who shall having the last laugh.