Testing Luna Display and Astropad on Windows
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Astopad turns your iPad into a drawing pad for your computer. Lana display turns your iPad into a second screen. If this sounds like Sidecar for the Mac you are correct. But now they are releasing on Windows. Today I'm testing out both of those products and also going back to look at Sidecar and Easy canvas to see how they stack up.
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EasyCanvas Pro is pretty good now. I was surprised at how little latency there was, just make sure to use a PC with a beefy CPU to get as little lag as possible.
But pro is also subscription, right?
The standard one with a wired connection is REALLY good too. And that one is a single time buy.
and for people who arent very techy, you want to close your browser if you have it open because that uses a lot of Cpu and ram
Thanks for this suggestion. I'm super impressed by how smoothly EasyCanvas works! I don't need wireless support, but that also works pretty smoothly. Wired is the way to go for low latency though.
Did you found a way to have gesture shortcut on it?
My cat is named Luna and I just looked at her and was like "So this is what you do when I'm gone".
I’ve been using Duet as my ipad-as-additional-monitor for a few years now; the wired version was @ten dollars US and works seamlessly with my personal Laptop and my very-locked-down work laptop. Great product that just works, and isn’t overpriced. They have a wireless version, but I can’t use that with my work machine. But it’s never been a problem. Recommended!
Are you using Duet with Windows or Mac?
My guess that wiggle mostly caused by static. I notice the same jittery lines every time i draw with ipad plugged in, whether it’s charging or connected to PC. Definitely not the best idea using device when it’s charging, but I was doing that mostly for troubleshooting.
I don't really get the point of Astropad/Luna anymore. For the same price they're asking, you can get an XP-Pen or Huion tablet and they're reliable and not subscription based.
I'm not an artist, but I can see an immediate reason in that you get to use tech you're already familiar with in a more convenient way. Plus, if you already have an iPad and carry it with you, then bringing an extra drawing tablet is excessive.
At $129 for the dongle which appears to run worse than with a cable (but could get better with more software updates) it does seem too expensive. I'm not super well versed in drawing tablets, but you certainly can't get one with as nice a screen as the iPad for $129. This may seem like an unfair comparison, but this product is aimed at someone who already has the iPad.
The corded option with Astropad seemed pretty solid even in the beta state presented in the video. Selling the software for say $30-40 would be a fair price for the functionality.
@@tungstenivoxide2407 1) it's not tech you're more familiar with, though. Luna is a screen mirror and Astropad adds a new interface to your tablet. So any previous familiarity of the iPad is pretty pointless outside of "pinch to zoom." This isn't a huge learning curve, but it's not like a drawing tablet is some mystical device either. The whole thing, both astropad and tablets, are designed to get out of the way so you can draw. It seems a dedicated tablet will do it better for cheaper. (i'll get to the whole price thing in a minute)
2) The dongle has been around for a long while now (2017), if they haven't sorted out the issues by now, they're not going to. Sure the iPad has a nice screen, but for $200 you can get the Kamvas 12 from huion (or XP Pen Artist 12). So for $70 extra you get a reliable and HD screen. The iPad's screen isn't amazing enough to default to that for your drawing. And it doesn't matter if you already have an iPad anyway, cause you're not saving anything. You need to buy something EXTRA here to make it work in this fashion regardless. So you can buy the Dongle/Astropad or a Tablet.
3) Astropad is beta only for Windows. It's been around much longer for Mac, which I've used. I really liked it, but I didn't continue when they went subscription model. While I agree that the software would be fair priced at $30-$40 (actually I'll even say $50-$60 one time), it's not. $80 every YEAR is steep. And remember, photoshop itself, at it's cheapest plan, is $120 a year. So...every year you're paying $200 just to make photoshop work --fairly well-- on an iPad.
So, all told, first year with
Astropad, Luna, and Photoshop: _$330 (then $200/year)
Kamvas 12 and Photoshop:______$320 (then $120/year)
Bottom line: the ONLY benefit here is the iPad's screen....but is it REALLY worth all that extra money?
@@kalvineldridge I agree with you mostly. But as a 3D artist, I can see the benefit of Astropad in certain use cases. First of all, I mostly use zBrush for modelling and thankfully it's a one-time pay software. So, a user who is not using subscription based software like Photoshop is going to benefit more. And I condemn piracy, but there are people out there who are using pirated versions of Photoshop, so it doesn't cost them anything.
Secondly, having to carry an extra device matters more when you're travelling. I personally kind of lived a nomadic life before covid, and was on constantly on travel trips for the better parts of the year. For people like me at that time (before covid), every extra gear you needed to carry mattered. And carrying a tablet (even a small one) didn't made sense when it's just extra weight most of the time expect when I have to draw. But since I have my iPad, I can draw whenever and wherever I am, and don't need to connect to my laptop if I'm just drawing. And an iPad can do a lot more than just allow you to draw. Therefore, it makes more sense to carry an iPad with me than a graphic tablet. And having the ability to turn my iPad into a graphic tablet to do some 3D modelling using zBrush with sidecar or Astropad is an added bonus. I do have a Huion Kamvas 20 inch graphic tablet at home, which I use when I'm at home, but even if I had a 12inch small portable tablet, I would choose to carry my iPad while travelling at any given day. Don't get me wrong, I love my Huion Kamvas, and do agree that a dedicated graphic tablet gets the job done much more efficiently than my iPad when I'm working on zBrush for client projects. But for what I do, my iPad can also get the job done (albeit with some minor frustrations here and there), and it doesn't affects the overall quality of the final result for the client.
@@kalvineldridge Was thinking I could justify buying an iPad for this, but since they decided it's going to be subscription based I laughed and said no.
If I'm not mistaken you need to be on the 5GHz band and have good signal if you're using Wi-Fi. 2.4GHz band have higher latency.
Good to know!
try superdisplay for android too
Yeah, looks like Sidecar hasn't improved at all. It used to disconnect on me every 5 minutes, forcing a restart, whether using WiFi or cord.
Thanks for saving me the effort of checking up on it to see if anything's changed.
Love your videos, man!
Super Display is a great app for android
Duet air has an amazing performance with WiFi. Almost no latency, even with drawing. Testing with an iPad Pro 2019 and Windows 11. It definitely is better than the options showed in this video.
you can use sidecar with a usb-c connection and it works perfectly. Still not as good as a cintiq, but I have been using it to animate and I think it's great.
My only issue with astropad/project blue is how you select colors in photoshop. Like in procreate and most ipad apps you have option to long press to bring up color picker. In astropad thats not an option so you either have to manually select colors with eye dropper or you have to use their built in on screen keyboard.
Love your videos
Thanks!
@@thebradcolbow your welcome
Hello. I really need your help. Advise which MacBook on M1 to choose for working with Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Animate and generally working with cartoons?
At the same time, we have a home pc with i9 and rtx 3070. Do I have enough MacBook Air to work with animation? Or I should consider a new MacBook Pro to buy. Thanks in advance for your answer💜
I just downloaded it and it works pretty good so far. In Sketchable at least. Didn't use it very much. I used Project Blue. I'm gonna get my iPad charged up and go in depth. If I can draw on my PC, I can start making hi-res images without the fear of layer limits. Maybe do 5K images or even IMAX 12K.
Shame AstroPad isn't on Android, been using SpaceDesk for a 2nd display over USB.
Edit, f that, subscription software. 12 usd a month.
Samsung tablets, atleast the newer ones, (S series), can natively do this
@@thrashkid665plus1 don't think I want a Samsung, looking at a Lenovo Xiaoxin with the 870 CPU.
@@themadatheist1976 there is also twomonusb which is a one time buy and works like spacedesk except no wireless connection mode
@@themadatheist1976 May I ask why? I have played with a ton of them, and the S-pen is just the gold standard for drawing. Apple Pencil is on the same level but different. I think the difference between the two is really subjective depending on the type of art you do.
I looked at the Xiaomi, and the price is the only reason I could see someone choosing that. As for drawing that pen still lags behind the s-pen. I would say the same with Lenovo. I saw that Theo on tech review review a Lenovo tab, and it had horrible ghosting.
@@sloppynyuszi mainly the price for what you get. I'm not a artist so pen performance isn't that important.
This was just the video I’ve been waiting for! Thank you so much, been looking for someone to make this!
I'm hoping to use Luna to turn my old 2012 imac into a second screen to my Surface laptop studio. Waiting on it to get delivered, hoping for the best. I won't have much use for it otherwise and I'd hate to junk it.
How are you liking your laptop studio? I just bought the new one but the screen's response time is so noticeably bad, even when browsing the web or scrolling on VS code, that I'm thinking of returning it and getting an iPad pro + a laptop instead... I thought one device would be perfect but the screen feels terrible to use. Were you able to use a mac as a second screen?
ipad is great on the go with ipadOs apps but as for desktop drawing it sucks really bad... best thing is to just get a huion or xp pen with or without the display
What about SuperDisplay?
we are talking here between Ipad to windows...
is there anything similiar for (android tab) to windows?
Good to know about Luna display and Windows 11.... I got it 3 years ago and legit have been wondering if they phased it out to prioritise their astropad dongle, so hopefully that's not the case and they do an update!
As always a brilliant and informative video with much research done! I hope you get the 1M Subs soon ❤ Also did your affinity designer crash course a few years ago on Udemy and it was such a joy like your videos :D
Awesome shirt, Brad Wayne.
hehe, thanks!
But.. could you connect Mac and iPad via cable and drawing on the iPad without being on wireless mode? Isn’t it better? Sorry for the question but I don’t need a wireless system 😅
great review Brad, as usual. What about super display app for android? Do you plan to review it as well? I'm using super display with my tab s7 and works great, hope to see your review soon. Thanks
Works great for me aswell, tab s6 lite. Hope to see a review, quite the price diff
I need to jump back into android and see what's out there at some point. It's been years since I've tried anything and back then it wasn't very good.
@@thebradcolbow Try super display on tab s7+, I'm quite sure you will not be disappointed. Thanks again for your great reviews
@@thebradcolbow Bad you should review the new Lenovo Tab P12 Pro android tablet!
SuperDisplay is seriously great. ❤️
HI I buy the astropad for Mac long time ago and a friend use the side bar but its slow and the pen preasure don't work to well and I give him my astropod and he says that now the pen pressure and the speed its much better that the original sidebar
How to mirror/extend a pc onto a laptop with pen support (windows both
Please review XP-Pen Artist 12 2nd Gen!!!
Coming soon!
Hey brad, awesome video! I've been thinking about a ipad to get, and i've narrowed my choices down to two, an apple refurbished iPad Pro 2018 and a mini 6. The mini 6 has far great computing power, but the ipad pro has ProMotion etc. What would you recommend for casual drawing but more commonly gaming and media consumption? Thanks in advance!
depends on the size that you want i guess. i never really got the point of small tablets since phones are now almost the same size as the ipad mini. for eye comfort and drawing experience id go with the 2018 pro because it has a bigger screen for you to draw on
I would 10000% go with the iPad Pro
It’s almost impossible tu use an iPad pro for media consumption at least on bed or on a couch comfortably… while the mini is perfect for that (typing this comment on a mini while in bed)
if you want a Table Only tablet, get the Pro. if you want to move around, couch surf, etc with your tablet, then get the mini!
Astropad has some extra gesture features but easycanvas is much better value for money. One time purchase, as cheap as procreate, rather than accumulating the cost of a fully fledged display drawing tablet in just a couple years
AstroPad Beta worked great for me! However my wifi IS optimized for streaming between devices since I use Oculus Air Link and Steam Link a lot.
Interesting products
FINALLY!!!
People have been asking for astropad Windows for like... FOREVER. But they just never listen.
So I guess now they have to listen since Apple has become their own competitor...
I think those Sidecar issues might have more to do with Photoshop than Apple. I just started using it a few days ago with Grease Pencil in Blender and I’m amazed at how responsive and accurate the drawing is. I also wonder if the computer makes a difference? I’m running a base config Mac Studio through USB-C.
I get better results with my Mac mini M1 and iPad for sidecar idk why your getting something different (very big difference). Edit: My wifi is pretty good (so grateful for that) maybe connect a wire to your ipad for sidecar
Nice to meet you, it was very helpful. I would like to ask a question I purchased HDMI for Luna Display, but I would like to know what is the cause of the message "Pease plug luna into your PC". The devices used are windows PC (Windows11) and iPad Air. We would appreciate it if you could reply when you have a chance.
Thank you for another informative video!
what is the difference in using just astropad compared to astropad in combination with luna?
is there a version without a subscription though?
The thing is, the only competitive quality of this against a traditional drawing display is the fact that it can go wireless. But for most artists, a traditional tablet the same size as an iPad is a much better drawing experience.
love brad
If this is a no subscription service i will buy this so fast. Also will a M1 tablet be faster or compatible at all?
Was thinking I could justify buying an iPad for this, but since they decided it's going to be subscription based I laughed and said no. I can a buy a beautiful accurate huion or xp-pen for much less and it won't be crappy, and there won't be latency or any of these other problems. Plus I won't have to pay a monthly fee, for something that just doesn't work. =^[
do you prefer drawing on paper or digitally?
(im just curious)
I've gotten used to drawing digitally almost exclusively.
Hello Brad, you are doing good job thanks for your hard work. Why did you stop posting videos on your Brad's Art School channel? We are waiting for your next video. Please block some time for that channel too
Brad, you read my mind!!
Literally was looking for exactly this review
Thanks for the review Brad. Keeping my fingers crossed for a sidecar for iOS devices so I can pair my iPad Mini with my iPad Pro as a second monitor when I'm on the Pro working :)
Not trying to be rude, im genuinely curious why would you need that
@@SuperLovehp Happy to answer :) For the same reason I have a multi monitor set up in my studio. I prefer to use ClipStudio. On my desktop I use a Cintiq and put a zoomed out view of my work on a second monitor. If I could pair two iOS devices I could do that conveniently instead of flipping back and forth between tabs or zooming in and out. I could also move some menus over to the second iPad and use touch, giving me the whole 12" Pro for drawing surface instead of minimizing menus. A very 21st Century artist problem that's not really a problem, but it would make work when I'm in a hotel much more convenient :)
@@lardesouza
Thanks for the detailed explanation! Sounds like an interesting setup
Do you have any free recommendations for screen mirroring with touchscreen and/or stylus support with Windows?
You can connect your pc and tablet based on Windows just through screen share, pen pressure works fine
QUICK QUESTION! would this work out if I had a alienware pc and put the dongle into the pc and then downloaded the software onto my imac running bootcamp. Then turned the pc on??? If I needed to download any other types of software on the pc I would use a old monitor. Tell me what I need to do or if that would work or not! PLEASE I dont want to spend too much on a monitor.
I dont normally comment but wow look at that im here before 500 views
Hi Brad, how much of the Side car issues that you experience are down to it being over a not so great WiFi? May you try it over USB?
Will you be reviewing the surface pro 8 and slim pen 2?
good work
can you use ipad webcam using luna? or its just second display?
is it work on ipad 10.2 with lightning cable connection ?
Has anyone tried to use the HDMI version of Luna display with a Mac that doesn’t have USB-C? I’m trying to use it for my desktop pc and mbp and neither have usbc. I know the website says it won’t work but it also may be a marketing ploy to make you buy more adapters.
Never seen something like this🤨
I just love how all these app developers stated how they're not interested and how it's not possible to make their screen extension apps for windows /android and now when Apple introduced their free/native solution everything's possible. Lol, don't bother, stick to your Apple ecosystem and true to your word/believes.
Well, Astropad was the first on Mac and then Apple copied it and named that Sidecar.
You should try luna display with a cable, it basically transforms the ipad into a cintiq. it's actually very responsive.
Hi mate. How do you connect Luba display from pc to iMac with a cable?
I would like a version of AstroPad or EasyCanvas that can connect a Samsung Tab (with S-Pen) to a Windows laptop. But yeah I'm not holding my breath no, of course not...
Let's goo
why they cannot catch up super display tech on android? strange for astropad as professional company🤔
Hello
Hi. Please tell me which app you used on 5:30?
Is it just me or illustrator desktop on side car is terrible for drawing? No pressure at all.
easycanvas vs astropad vs duet display?
Does this work for linux?
Does it work on samsung gadget?
interesting..a lot of things pointing for me to get an pad...
It is pricey but a one time purchase, right?
Sorry why did you skip drawing tests on Luna Display?
No wires i was just talking about this 6months ago to monitor ur pc and ipad wtf
Sidecar in 2023 is 1000 times better than Luna display
Still waiting for the day when tablets will gain hdmi in support so that we can use it as a portable display. That's the easiest solution.
Wired sidecar is basically that though. It uses the usb c for video like hmdi c monitors and for the pen data back.
But why u need Luna on an iPad as 2nd drawing monitor' PC when u can directly drawing on iPad with Procreate/other drawing apps?
But whats the point?
@@thealt188 but you can get pro create soo why not use native software?
to do some work while your real drawing tablet/display is away from you, to draw like that non-stop I think is just masochistic :)
@@p0stezz but you can work on the ipad without using your laptop?? Procreate is a wonderful program so like why bother connecting your laptop?
@@EvaCampbell well I draw as a hobby and procreate is perfectly capable even though I prefer CSP and sketchbook.But for work I use couple of 3d programs so the Ipad is useless.I tried all these programs to turn the ipad into a drawing display but the experience is still worse than using even non-display tablet.
I got best results with easycanvas for ios and superdisplay for android.
Dont even bother with Luna, just directly plug your Devices into ethernet and it wont lag at all.
Considering the performance of these software solutions is just TERRIBLE compared to an actual display/tablet says to me there’s no point going this way at this time. Well, for artists at least. For a casual user looking for a 2nd display, maybe. I’ll stick to Procreate on my iPad and a cheap Wacom for my PC.
Apple will not like this... trust me
side cart on sucks bad on photoshop. apple products appear good from a distance but apple as a company sucks for us artists.
Holy crap I'm so early
Yep! Infact, your the first
Nice idea.
But not for me.
Laaatency
If you're going to just hunk down at a desktop, just get a drawing tablet, seriously.
So when are you gonna teach something about art? All I see in your channel is tab reviews
For that price tag, these seem like two really mediocre products.
Love your videos
So when are you gonna teach something about art? All I see in your channel is tab reviews