Thank you Paul! We had a little more time for this video, and tried to make it punchy and short. The longer videos are us being unsure what to keep/delete. Reilly has really upped his editing game as well!
Thanks David! Yeah we tried to make it short and to the point. We had a bit more time with this since there wasn't an impending embargo, and we're happy with how it came out.
Huge thanks Mitch, that means a lot to me. I was an English major in university- but only because I was such a terrible communicator/writer, that I knew I desperately needed improvement if I were to ever be successful in the world. During university, actually I went back to my hometown to work at a bike shop for a summer, and my old high school English teacher came in. She told me that I should not ever pursue writing as a career! LOLz... Here we are today, and I'm writing 2-3 videos a week, for quite a few years now. I think sucking at writing is actually a benefit, as it forces you to go do cool shit that's inherently interesting. Then as you stumble through a poorly written transcription, it is still somewhat engaging... Too often, good writers miss out on the dumb adventures because they can make a walk in the park sound properly epic! Anyhow, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Thanks Z, I think it's important to disclose how a video is funded. It's better for everyone. It's also the law, believe it or not. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
Right on Red, I agree it's cool. More options is good. I think playing in the "ultra high end design, mid-tier price point" like they are is a smart move. That's where they'll do well. Not many bikes built so legit at that price range!
Your riding and dialog are so entertaining!!! 👏🏼 I loved the retro touches in the intro because Haro is a flashback for me. I had Nyquist’s Haro Backtrails x3 back in my BMX days. Great review. I wish I could demo one of these.
I was very judgy about full suspensions until I got my Daley and did my own tweaks to it. I was very impressed at how plush yet poppy and stable the bike felt. It can pedal ok and climb ok but it wants to charge and jump more IMHO
Haro & Shimano were smart to sponsor this video! Great ride, review & cinematography as usual you talented bastartd! I wish I had your wheelie abilities 😉👍
Hahaha awesome! Yeah we didn't have ice skates (our ice wasn't nearly thick enough for that, any how!) so rocks were the next best! I love including little bits of behind the scenes like that in these videos. Keeps it all about fun and general biking, and not so much lost in the endless product discussion.
Thanks for the awesome video Jeff! And Haro and Shimano. I'm liking this bike!! And the way you review and explain is easy and relatable to me. So thanks for that! I had a white Haro Freestyler Master with white acs z rims back in 86 lol!! Stay stoked and enjoy the ride 🤙🏻
I grew up with Haro as a staple in my BMX days. Haro has a Brand Name. I just hope they put a lot of thought, engineering, and market study into it. Not to get into a saturated market to fail. I hope they make a modern (ADJUSTABLE, especially headset) geo, good pedaling platform, handles hard impacts under braking, and what you said Jeff, PURPOSE BUILT. If they build XC, make it XC. If they build trail, make it easy to upgrade to Enduro. If they build Enduro, make it easily upgradeable for Free Ride. Work with aftermarket companies for parts that you understand could add something more extreme for harder riding. Meaning it can run mixed wheel and 29er. I'm really hoping that the Haro Brand gets a reputation like Propain. Come-on Haro!!! I'd love to see you succeed! The majority of rders are not like JKW. We probably will never be. We want something stable at speed. We want suspension that can take a beating and feel safe, especially under hard braking. If not, adjustable to change the geo. Most riders need adjustability because for most of us, we can't test ride before we buy. The only reason I bought a 23 Specialized Stumpjumper Evo Pro is because of adjustability. I went from a great trail bike, and turned it into an Enduro Weapon. Mixed wheel. WRP yoke. Cascade link, EXT E-Storia shock, (JKW style, over forked) Fox Factory 38/170 E-Tuned. Several other upgrades, but to fit my anatomy and riding style and terrain. I really hope Haro gets it right, hence this crazy long comment.
Yeah they are trying hard to get back into the MTB game for real. And I think they are doing a bang up good job of it! I wish them only the best as they go forward, and it's refreshing to see the strategy they've chosen.
Thanks for the video and review. Really wanting to get my hands on one of these. Having difficulty deciding between the Raw version or Stone. Both look real nice.
So happy to see Haro cranking out some awesome bikes! I appreciate you mentioning how steep seat tubes create a riding position more for climbing but not for flat terrain. I've been riding MTB for 20 years and noticed more and more weight on my hands and arm fatigue on our more rolling east coast trails as I have bought new bikes. Seems most mountain bikes these days are designed for steep up then steep aggressive down with no focus on those of us not in extremely mountainous terrain. 74-75 seems to be the sweet spot here (Atlanta, GA area).
Cheers Tour! Yeah on the more rolling terrain, a 76 or slacker is nice. I even appreciate a 76 here in the PNW, as I don't only seek out steep stuff. The Greer rode great, but it's more purpose built for steep mtns than gentle hills. I like the bike a lot, but want to be transparent about where it will perform best.
I've been enjoying the Daley, it feels very different from my other bikes. I may toss on a 160 fork at some point, and some 2.6 tires would be sweet out in the desert. I think this bike would be ideal for many of the steeper, rockier trails like those outside of Palm Springs, CA.
I’ve been waiting for this follow up review with excitement! I really liked the brushed aluminum prototype frame better! Painted production frame looks good. Great review with supporting details! You have my attention with some advantages of longer chain stays. I am decent at pulling into manuals with different bikes but inconsistent at holding them. Would the Haro enable me to improve balancing manuals more quickly? I would guess the bike is also more capable in corners with longer chain stays? I like your explained setup changes. I’m 5.9 with only 30” inseam and medium torso, only slightly longer arms. And a longer neck than average, which doesn’t help with riding 😄. I could envision myself using the same changes. Enjoyed another video!
The raw frame was SICK! I hope to try the Greer also in that raw finish. TBH, don't change your bike with a main goal of better manualing. Manualing is a skill that comes from practice- not bike set up. If there is one component that will help with more distance, it's a wider, more square back tire. The WTB 2.6 tires are like a cheat code for long wheelies. In regards to frame spec, I find a neutral chainstay length to be great for learning, with these longer bikes being harder to initiate but easier to continue. Thanks for the feedback David!
Ah I'm not familiar with that Commencal, but glad it's working well for you! Commencal is all about that extra long back end. I don't know anyone at Commencal, and I haven't yet reached out to try to get more of their rigs in, but Reilly rides a Meta, and has a Commencal eMTB here as well. They are BIG bikes!
i like that you are 174sm tall - just like me! so cool.the bike looks really cool. in my country the fox spec is 4.2k dollars and bottam spec is 2.1k dollars with zokki suss
Yeah the medium is about as big of a trail bike as I'd like to go- I did enjoy the shorter stem and taller bars. I'd like to try a 160 fork on the bike, that could be sweet!
@@JeffKendallWeed off topic fast question i got fox 32 step cast ,but now i see that the lower air side crushwasher/bolt is just a bit leeking is that a major problem or tideting will be enoung or i need to put more oil in the leg?(sorry for bad english)
I actually forget my air pressures, but I was running mid-damping on the fork. iirc I was halfway into the high speed compression, and 1/4 of the way in the low speed. Rebound is slightly quick, but still controlled. Out back, I ran the Marzocchi in the middle of its compression adjust- and stock volume reducers front and rear. Thanks!
@JeffKendallWeed thank you for your answer ! So mid damping for compression works well ? I thought the more you open it the better it gets at absorbing impacts, especially repetitive ones
There are 5 different Versions of the "daley" on the webside- which one is in the video? I can't quiet match it up- the 2 LTD versions don't come in this color, the 3 other versions don't come with that fox fork.
I started with the Daley Alloy LTD 2. Then swapped the frame/shock for the Daley Alloy LTD 1. The parts are mostly the LTD 2, with swaps being bars for size, tires for preference, and eventually, brakes for personal preference (and I do have a brake sponsor).
A dank Pivot?! It rides WAY differently than any Pivot I've tried! The Haro has much more open suspension, and also more progressive. Pivot has a ton more pedaling platform. Pivot also has MUCH shorter chainstays. Very different riding bikes!
looks very "pivoty' do you know Who makes the frame for them? doesnt look like Insera Sena Maybe whoever made Kona? Hows the flex in the rear/linkage? I could be very keen on one but at my weight, approx 220lbs most frames flex alot in the rear. Decent Chainstay, decent reach(large) and all around sensible geo. Mightve found anther bike to test-to-own
They did! Haro wanted me to send back my pre-production raw unit in order to get me a production one, but all the raw production frames were spoken for already.
Yeah that's the new Fox fork. The GripX has a much larger port in its piston for the damping, then more shims above it to control the flow. It's way louder than before, but it's also a lot more sensitive on small stuff, yet with a ton more supportive on bigger hits. It's basically a motocross inspired damper, rather than a teeny tiny MTB inspired damper like in prior gens. I do wish it were quieter, but it works really well on the trail. They do need a while to break it, but once freed up, the latest gen is really good!
You're as good of a WRITER as you are a RIDER. Your videos are some of the best on the internet! Thank you!
Production quality of this vid is one of Jeff's best. Dont know if something changed but I love it.
Editing is great as well. I’m not left thinking scene’s should be shortened or extended.
Thank you Paul! We had a little more time for this video, and tried to make it punchy and short. The longer videos are us being unsure what to keep/delete. Reilly has really upped his editing game as well!
Thanks David! Yeah we tried to make it short and to the point. We had a bit more time with this since there wasn't an impending embargo, and we're happy with how it came out.
Huge thanks Mitch, that means a lot to me. I was an English major in university- but only because I was such a terrible communicator/writer, that I knew I desperately needed improvement if I were to ever be successful in the world. During university, actually I went back to my hometown to work at a bike shop for a summer, and my old high school English teacher came in. She told me that I should not ever pursue writing as a career! LOLz... Here we are today, and I'm writing 2-3 videos a week, for quite a few years now. I think sucking at writing is actually a benefit, as it forces you to go do cool shit that's inherently interesting. Then as you stumble through a poorly written transcription, it is still somewhat engaging... Too often, good writers miss out on the dumb adventures because they can make a walk in the park sound properly epic! Anyhow, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
The rare Ad that I can get into then. I appreciate when creators are honest about sponsorship.
Thanks Z, I think it's important to disclose how a video is funded. It's better for everyone. It's also the law, believe it or not. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
It's so good to see Haro coming back into the MTB world and doing it well. I had a Haro All mountain back in the early 00's and loved it!
Right on Red, I agree it's cool. More options is good. I think playing in the "ultra high end design, mid-tier price point" like they are is a smart move. That's where they'll do well. Not many bikes built so legit at that price range!
Man that raw finish was the bees knees though.
Agreed!!!
For sure. I'd prefer that to the grey production look
Your riding and dialog are so entertaining!!! 👏🏼 I loved the retro touches in the intro because Haro is a flashback for me. I had Nyquist’s Haro Backtrails x3 back in my BMX days. Great review. I wish I could demo one of these.
the best thing with Haro now in the MTB industrie is that we get to see Dennis Enerarson shred MTBs
Hahaha yes! I get scared for his own health while watching his clips!
I was very judgy about full suspensions until I got my Daley and did my own tweaks to it. I was very impressed at how plush yet poppy and stable the bike felt. It can pedal ok and climb ok but it wants to charge and jump more IMHO
Great feedback, thanks Alissandro. Sounds like you agree with my assessments?
My dad bought me a haro back trail x1 when I was 15. It had 1 piece cranks and a gyro. I miss those days.
Haro & Shimano were smart to sponsor this video! Great ride, review & cinematography as usual you talented bastartd! I wish I had your wheelie abilities 😉👍
Thank you! We spent a while putting this together, and it was fun. It's great to see Haro back in the MTB scene again!
haha the stones throwing on the ice...thats my childhood memory....havent heard that in over 25 years...primarily since i havent experienced ice since
Hahaha awesome! Yeah we didn't have ice skates (our ice wasn't nearly thick enough for that, any how!) so rocks were the next best! I love including little bits of behind the scenes like that in these videos. Keeps it all about fun and general biking, and not so much lost in the endless product discussion.
I could just watch and listen to the rock throwing segment for 10 minutes. 😅✌️🤠
Thanks for the awesome video Jeff! And Haro and Shimano. I'm liking this bike!! And the way you review and explain is easy and relatable to me. So thanks for that! I had a white Haro Freestyler Master with white acs z rims back in 86 lol!! Stay stoked and enjoy the ride 🤙🏻
Thanks Jay!
We just got my son a beginner a haro. ❤
Nice, Sarah!
That soundtrack though 🔥
I'll tell Reilly you liked his choices! Thanks!
FINALLY!!!!!! THANK YOU JEFF!!
Oh man! I checked this bike out in person and it's definitely a beast!
It's a fun ride! A very different flavor from the Ibis or Marin, and I had a lot of fun on it.
Steering felt super twitchy to me though. What about you? Maybe it's because I'm not used to a 35 mil stem (I use a 50)@@JeffKendallWeed
Oh I didn't think it was twitchy at all! I found it extremely stable. It's a long bike, so it really likes to be leaned.
The shredding was cool, but I would have watched a video of you throwing rocks across that frozen lake. 😆
Hahahaha thanks DVS!!!
I grew up with Haro as a staple in my BMX days. Haro has a Brand Name. I just hope they put a lot of thought, engineering, and market study into it. Not to get into a saturated market to fail.
I hope they make a modern (ADJUSTABLE, especially headset) geo, good pedaling platform, handles hard impacts under braking, and what you said Jeff, PURPOSE BUILT.
If they build XC, make it XC. If they build trail, make it easy to upgrade to Enduro. If they build Enduro, make it easily upgradeable for Free Ride. Work with aftermarket companies for parts that you understand could add something more extreme for harder riding.
Meaning it can run mixed wheel and 29er.
I'm really hoping that the Haro Brand gets a reputation like Propain.
Come-on Haro!!! I'd love to see you succeed!
The majority of rders are not like JKW. We probably will never be.
We want something stable at speed. We want suspension that can take a beating and feel safe, especially under hard braking. If not, adjustable to change the geo. Most riders need adjustability because for most of us, we can't test ride before we buy.
The only reason I bought a 23 Specialized Stumpjumper Evo Pro is because of adjustability. I went from a great trail bike, and turned it into an Enduro Weapon.
Mixed wheel. WRP yoke. Cascade link, EXT E-Storia shock, (JKW style, over forked) Fox Factory 38/170 E-Tuned.
Several other upgrades, but to fit my anatomy and riding style and terrain.
I really hope Haro gets it right, hence this crazy long comment.
Yeah they are trying hard to get back into the MTB game for real. And I think they are doing a bang up good job of it! I wish them only the best as they go forward, and it's refreshing to see the strategy they've chosen.
Thanks for the video and review. Really wanting to get my hands on one of these. Having difficulty deciding between the Raw version or Stone. Both look real nice.
So happy to see Haro cranking out some awesome bikes! I appreciate you mentioning how steep seat tubes create a riding position more for climbing but not for flat terrain. I've been riding MTB for 20 years and noticed more and more weight on my hands and arm fatigue on our more rolling east coast trails as I have bought new bikes. Seems most mountain bikes these days are designed for steep up then steep aggressive down with no focus on those of us not in extremely mountainous terrain. 74-75 seems to be the sweet spot here (Atlanta, GA area).
Cheers Tour! Yeah on the more rolling terrain, a 76 or slacker is nice. I even appreciate a 76 here in the PNW, as I don't only seek out steep stuff. The Greer rode great, but it's more purpose built for steep mtns than gentle hills. I like the bike a lot, but want to be transparent about where it will perform best.
I was waiting for this video
Cheers AK!
Looks like a blast!
I've been enjoying the Daley, it feels very different from my other bikes. I may toss on a 160 fork at some point, and some 2.6 tires would be sweet out in the desert. I think this bike would be ideal for many of the steeper, rockier trails like those outside of Palm Springs, CA.
I’ve been waiting for this follow up review with excitement!
I really liked the brushed aluminum prototype frame better! Painted production frame looks good.
Great review with supporting details!
You have my attention with some advantages of longer chain stays. I am decent at pulling into manuals with different bikes but inconsistent at holding them. Would the Haro enable me to improve balancing manuals more quickly?
I would guess the bike is also more capable in corners with longer chain stays?
I like your explained setup changes. I’m 5.9 with only 30” inseam and medium torso, only slightly longer arms. And a longer neck than average, which doesn’t help with riding 😄. I could envision myself using the same changes. Enjoyed another video!
The raw frame was SICK! I hope to try the Greer also in that raw finish. TBH, don't change your bike with a main goal of better manualing. Manualing is a skill that comes from practice- not bike set up. If there is one component that will help with more distance, it's a wider, more square back tire. The WTB 2.6 tires are like a cheat code for long wheelies. In regards to frame spec, I find a neutral chainstay length to be great for learning, with these longer bikes being harder to initiate but easier to continue. Thanks for the feedback David!
The greer looks sweet! With the short reach and taller stack plus 435 chainstay, it must be a playful bike!
I'd love to try a Greer! Evan Wall sure makes it look fun!
Looks alot like a Commencal TR v4 I recently picked up & enjoying for Moab type chunky terrain. Fun stuff.
Ah I'm not familiar with that Commencal, but glad it's working well for you! Commencal is all about that extra long back end. I don't know anyone at Commencal, and I haven't yet reached out to try to get more of their rigs in, but Reilly rides a Meta, and has a Commencal eMTB here as well. They are BIG bikes!
Any thoughts on the Greer model vs the Daley?
i like that you are 174sm tall - just like me! so cool.the bike looks really cool. in my country the fox spec is 4.2k dollars and bottam spec is 2.1k dollars with zokki suss
Yeah the medium is about as big of a trail bike as I'd like to go- I did enjoy the shorter stem and taller bars. I'd like to try a 160 fork on the bike, that could be sweet!
@@JeffKendallWeed off topic fast question i got fox 32 step cast ,but now i see that the lower air side crushwasher/bolt is just a bit leeking is that a major problem or tideting will be enoung or i need to put more oil in the leg?(sorry for bad english)
What do your suspension adjustments look like ? It's so smooth
I actually forget my air pressures, but I was running mid-damping on the fork. iirc I was halfway into the high speed compression, and 1/4 of the way in the low speed. Rebound is slightly quick, but still controlled. Out back, I ran the Marzocchi in the middle of its compression adjust- and stock volume reducers front and rear. Thanks!
@JeffKendallWeed thank you for your answer ! So mid damping for compression works well ? I thought the more you open it the better it gets at absorbing impacts, especially repetitive ones
There are 5 different Versions of the "daley" on the webside- which one is in the video? I can't quiet match it up- the 2 LTD versions don't come in this color, the 3 other versions don't come with that fox fork.
I started with the Daley Alloy LTD 2. Then swapped the frame/shock for the Daley Alloy LTD 1. The parts are mostly the LTD 2, with swaps being bars for size, tires for preference, and eventually, brakes for personal preference (and I do have a brake sponsor).
Looks like a mini fast enduro bike that not expensive
Be great for Rotorua shuttles and park rides
Totally. For someone who picks a line and sticks to it, regardless of the chunk, this is IDEAL.
Is it available in 20" wheels?
I like that comment!
Hahahaha!!! Swamp master!!!!
That Haro reminds me of a little dank Pivot bike
And dank little Trek
A dank Pivot?! It rides WAY differently than any Pivot I've tried! The Haro has much more open suspension, and also more progressive. Pivot has a ton more pedaling platform. Pivot also has MUCH shorter chainstays. Very different riding bikes!
I see Haro is also making a bike called the Greer which is a pretty fitting homage as Greer Ranch is now officially closed 😢.
Sad about Greer Ranch! I rode there once, was neat to see a spot that I had heard about, but we need MOAR trails, not less!
looks very "pivoty'
do you know Who makes the frame for them?
doesnt look like Insera Sena
Maybe whoever made Kona?
Hows the flex in the rear/linkage? I could be very keen on one but at my weight, approx 220lbs most frames flex alot in the rear.
Decent Chainstay, decent reach(large) and all around sensible geo.
Mightve found anther bike to test-to-own
Wish they would have gone with a clear raw look. However, any bike can be raw if you put in the time and elbow grease.
They did! Haro wanted me to send back my pre-production raw unit in order to get me a production one, but all the raw production frames were spoken for already.
That was a quite loud squeaking suspension
Yeah that's the new Fox fork. The GripX has a much larger port in its piston for the damping, then more shims above it to control the flow. It's way louder than before, but it's also a lot more sensitive on small stuff, yet with a ton more supportive on bigger hits. It's basically a motocross inspired damper, rather than a teeny tiny MTB inspired damper like in prior gens. I do wish it were quieter, but it works really well on the trail. They do need a while to break it, but once freed up, the latest gen is really good!
I like cheap food bikes
Tacos and wheels!