An unrepeatable legal defense

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @CleoAbram
    @CleoAbram Год назад +1878

    My favorite wrong answer was Tom's "the lawyer shot the judge! And by some weird loophole in American law...". Thanks for having us, this was such a fun conversation.

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 Год назад +199

    "The defendant, *after several retrials* was acquitted..." How many lawyers shot themselves in the prosecution of this case?

    • @techno1561
      @techno1561 2 месяца назад +19

      He was acquitted because there were no lawyers left alive to take his case at the time, all of them having been killed or incapacitated attempting the same defence.

    • @MeepChangeling
      @MeepChangeling 4 часа назад

      Since that number is not 100% of them, not enough.

  • @TheDuelManiacs
    @TheDuelManiacs Год назад +648

    The ultimate defense
    "Your honor, my client couldn't possibly have shot the victim. Because I did it!"

    • @cat1554
      @cat1554 Год назад +61

      Von Karma, no!

    • @DatShepTho
      @DatShepTho Год назад +25

      @@cat1554 LMFAO, YOU SEE EDGEWORTH, IT IS I, VONSHOOTMASELF

  • @PopeGoliath
    @PopeGoliath Год назад +1671

    When my dad was a young teen, my grandfather tasked him with sweeping the back porch. Grandfather went on an errand, leaving my dad unsupervised for a couple minutes.
    My dad got bored and started goofing around, swinging the broom like a baseball bat. On one of the swings, the head of the broom flew off the handle and hit a kitchen window, shattering it. My dad knew he was going to be in trouble, but he did his best to clean up all of the glass. He also cut out a piece of cardboard to cover the hole.
    When Grandpa came back, he asked what happened. My dad explained, "Well, I was swinging the broom like this..." The head of the boom flew off again, crashing through the other kitchen window.
    My grandfather looked at the two windows for a moment, then calmly said, "Yeah, I can see how that could happen."

    • @thepenguin9
      @thepenguin9 Год назад +167

      I mean he knew full well he walked into that one

    • @Sn0wjunk1e
      @Sn0wjunk1e Год назад +52

      idk why, but your grandpa gives me big Red Forman vibes

    • @arshawn
      @arshawn Год назад +6

      😂😂😂

    • @eduardopupucon
      @eduardopupucon Год назад +43

      My grandpa had a very similar story related to ww2 about a soldier complaining about short fuzes in the grenades and the officer who does not believe pulls the pin and the grenade explodes in his hand, don't remember the details exactly or if its anedotical tho, he was in the Italian army if anyone knows that.

    • @urieaaron
      @urieaaron Год назад +45

      General Motors 30 or more years ago. A millwright was demonstrating with his remaining good arm to the safety team and higher up supervision as to how he broke his arm in a conveyor. In front of everyone, before anyone could react, he reached into a running conveyor and accidentally tripped the same limit switch he had tripped before and, broke his other arm. A shocking but predictable development.

  • @InvictusByz
    @InvictusByz Год назад +292

    I worked with a guy, as a pistol dueling reenactor and educational presenter at a presidential home, whose ancestor was in a duel where nearly the exact thing Simone says at 1:57 happened. His ancestor shot the man, who walked with difficulty and a cane due to arthritis in his knee. He was supposedly shot in the leg, made a full recovery, and supposedly was able to walk better off the dueling field than he walked on to it.
    Supposedly, he said something along the lines of "You make a fine surgeon, but a damn rough operator!"

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 Год назад +1376

    I enjoy how the panel couldnt reach the correct answer quickly because it was so stupid that it didn't occur to anyone.

    • @mrroboshadow
      @mrroboshadow Год назад +32

      and they got so freaking close that Devin almost layed out the answer
      when Simone says the gun went off by itself
      its so close and yet not quite

  • @soulbound11
    @soulbound11 Год назад +958

    bonus fact. Apparently, not long after, someone else was telling this story and demonstrating how the lawyer had shot himself. Yes, they successfully shot themselves as well.

    • @davidshi451
      @davidshi451 Год назад +42

      omg you're kidding me

    • @zzzzzzzzz7494
      @zzzzzzzzz7494 Год назад +42

      Looks like a curse or something.

    • @alphazero924
      @alphazero924 Год назад +139

      This is starting to feel a lot like TomSka's "What Happened"

    • @alveolate
      @alveolate Год назад +29

      in america, the saying isn't shooting oneself in the foot, it is shooting oneself in the stomach.

    • @joaomrtins
      @joaomrtins Год назад +9

      Didn't any of them come to the conclusion it would be enough to use an unloaded gun, or load only the propellent?

  • @ConnorNolanTech
    @ConnorNolanTech Год назад +78

    As soon as he said "The defense argued that the victim shot himself" I remembered the exact case this was

  • @skye2281
    @skye2281 Год назад +69

    That lawyer went above and beyond for his client!

  • @martinedelius
    @martinedelius Год назад +451

    There's nothing more frustrating than knowing the answer to a question and watching others not picking up on what seems to be the most obvious of clues - full well knowing that I'd be as clueless if I hadn't know the answer beforehand. :)

    • @tamhuy10
      @tamhuy10 Год назад +14

      i knew the answer bc i watched the legaleagle video about it

    • @leonmayne797
      @leonmayne797 Год назад +3

      @@tamhuy10 Me too.

    • @boaz6346
      @boaz6346 Год назад +6

      @@tamhuy10 like halfway in I realised I knew the story from his video

    • @BertGrink
      @BertGrink Год назад

      @@leonmayne797 Me three

    • @DementiaAcerbus
      @DementiaAcerbus Год назад +1

      Tom got so close it seemed that one time though

  • @Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    @Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Год назад +332

    Simone Giertz and LegalEagle is a goddamn dreamteam level combo

    • @nacoran
      @nacoran Год назад +20

      After this I kind of want to see Simone build a robot that can shoot itself.

    • @ericssmith2014
      @ericssmith2014 Год назад +14

      @@nacoran “Shooty Robots”

    • @Zraknul
      @Zraknul Год назад +7

      I think Simone is too smart to try this one.

    • @ellencameron3775
      @ellencameron3775 Год назад +2

      Yes, please. Devin telling us about weird cases and Simone making replicas to test out the facts of the cases!

    • @petertorvik8413
      @petertorvik8413 Год назад +3

      I agree, I saw the thumbnail and thought "that looks like Simone and Legal Eagle what is going on?" Most awesome crossover ever!

  • @EmilyGamerGirl
    @EmilyGamerGirl Год назад +104

    As soon as he mentioned demonstration in the court I remembered hearing this story... quite a defense

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Год назад

      it's quite fool's proof... lateral-ly

  • @Respectable_Username
    @Respectable_Username Год назад +29

    As somebody who remembers the correct answer from a previous Legal Eagle video, oh boy this was fun to watch them piece it together 😂

  • @jakejones8854
    @jakejones8854 Год назад +331

    This was on QI at some point so I recognised it immediately. If I'd had to guess I would have thought Tom knew this one. It seems like one he'd have come across.

    • @franzfanz
      @franzfanz Год назад +20

      This was on Legal Eagle at one point so I recognised it immediately.

    • @roweproductions9424
      @roweproductions9424 Год назад +2

      @@franzfanz Yer I think that’s where I remember it from 👍🏻

    • @Zraknul
      @Zraknul Год назад +5

      @@franzfanz The Algorithm says you're correct, because this is their top suggestion for my next video.

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 Год назад +8

      He probably did vaguely remember it like he said

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv Год назад +10

      Tom Scott had never heard of the Hagia Sofia before the Technical Difficulties told him about it, so I’m not surprised he hadn’t heard about it.

  • @C0maT0ast
    @C0maT0ast Год назад +15

    That's a dedicated lawyer, willing to take one for his client

  • @pandacron
    @pandacron Год назад +257

    I appreciate that Devin got in his suit and set for this episode, especially since it meant having to sit in his usual video monologuing posture for the entire of the recording, since I presume they don't plan which question gets turned into a video. (I still find this audio-then-video-clips format super weird but I guess it probably keeps production cost down so whatever)

    • @TrueHolarctic
      @TrueHolarctic Год назад +74

      Nahh Devin sleeps like that. Its his resting position

    • @tamhuy10
      @tamhuy10 Год назад +18

      @@TrueHolarctic he even bathes like that

    • @vesper7750
      @vesper7750 Год назад

      ​@@tamhuy10😂

  • @ps1hagridoufofcharacter
    @ps1hagridoufofcharacter Год назад +10

    i like that the captions are color-coded for different people

  • @jakebowler9763
    @jakebowler9763 Год назад +7

    I've seen Devin tell this story on his channel before so knew what it was immediately. It was frustrating yet hilarious hearing them guess every other possible combination of people getting shot before finally getting there.

  • @Windrider6
    @Windrider6 Год назад +58

    According to Wikipedia, the incident did not happen in court, but in a hotel room while the lawyer and his colleagues were testing the theory.

    • @CPFitzgerald
      @CPFitzgerald Год назад +42

      Devin did say there are mixed accounts about where precisely the demonstration happened

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Год назад +5

      @@CPFitzgerald Yes, this story was told so many times that it's hard to know what happened exactly. They do agree about the main details though.

  • @macdjord
    @macdjord Год назад +10

    My own guess on hearing the question: the 'known tough guy' victim was a _circus_ tough guy, the kind who would take a punch to the stomach without injury as part of their act. The defendant asked if he could deflect a bullet, the victim said he could, and the defendant shot him with permission. The defendant got off because both he and the victim sincerely thought the act was safe, and the defense it would 'only work once' because it was now public record that it wouldn't work.

  • @lastnamefirstname8655
    @lastnamefirstname8655 Год назад +51

    legal eagle did a video on this, and i watched it! glad i still remembered that story, yeah, quite the unique defense that worked.

  • @christophercaldwell6888
    @christophercaldwell6888 Год назад +8

    This is *VERY* close to a game that was popular in the early part of the 20th century, that we usually called "Conundrums". In THAT game, the answerer can only answer "yes", "no, "unanaswerable" or "irrelevant." Perhaps you are using this as a guide. I think you are VERY wise to keep this a reasonable length video by be more forgiving with your answers.
    The sad thing is that I knew the answer - mostly because I had seen you cover this incident in one of your other videos.
    I loved "Conundrums". I only wish that I hadn't known the answer, as I wanted to be guessing along with your guests!
    Great fun!

  • @telotawa
    @telotawa Год назад +15

    thank you, tom scott, for captioning all of your videos, you are a hero for this

  • @elbruces
    @elbruces Год назад +1

    Devin confusing the hell out of Tom and friends is all the RUclipsr intersection joy I needed today, thank you.

  • @kiplittle
    @kiplittle Год назад

    Can I just say how lovely it is to discover my favorite yet disparate RUclips creators all in the same place and all playing so nicely with each other!

  • @JoshWebb
    @JoshWebb Год назад +68

    It would sure be nice if we could watch a video of this whole episode

  • @Omni315
    @Omni315 Год назад +2

    Had to watch this just to see what Devin watches when not on his show... exactly the same !

  • @jannepeltonen2036
    @jannepeltonen2036 Год назад +4

    So I was one of the leaders in this nature camp, and a boy came to me with a cut in his hand. Stupidly enough, I asked how did this happen, and before I could stop him, he demonstrated. Luckily, the two cuts were really small and healed easily...

  • @jordansean18
    @jordansean18 Год назад +30

    I was so worried that this was just going to be a terrible question... But this was absolutely worth it 😅

  • @HistorysRaven
    @HistorysRaven Год назад +1

    As soon as I heard the names of the lawyer and the defendant I shouted, "I know this one!" Fortunately, because I work alone, I didn't startle anyone.

  • @lundylow
    @lundylow 3 месяца назад +1

    Devin phrased that so lawyerly that half of his question felt like a red herring.

  • @alexrowaan7326
    @alexrowaan7326 Год назад +88

    Feels like there was no chance for them to figure this out just from the initial prompt - it took a lot of handholding. But still an interesting story!

    • @spikehammer3112
      @spikehammer3112 Год назад +24

      Yeah, most of the questions on the show are like that. It's sorta the whole premise.
      Then look at something like the recent question "why does this reality TV show use opaque cups?" where a contestant guesses the answer immediately and you can see how boring that makes the segment.

    • @Bagofnowt
      @Bagofnowt Год назад +7

      @@spikehammer3112 i think there's a middle ground on the best questions of the show, takes a while to get there but they can do so purely on lateral thinking alone

    • @potatosordfighter666
      @potatosordfighter666 Год назад

      I figured it out but only because I had heard the story before. That said I never knew the names of them, so that was no clue for me.

  • @realtylerdb
    @realtylerdb Год назад +8

    Got this one almost instantly! It was on Horrible Histories a while ago, and has always stuck with me for some reason

  • @N05K177
    @N05K177 Год назад

    Omg Simone is here !! So happy to see her here :)

  • @WilliamAndrea
    @WilliamAndrea 4 месяца назад +2

    "Your honor, the defense rests in peace"

  • @bdubbsmark
    @bdubbsmark Год назад +1

    'Your honor, I'll prove my case if it costs me my life!'

  • @DevilboyScooby
    @DevilboyScooby Год назад +2

    I like to think that where Tom wears red shirts all the time, Devin sits fully suited in front of a green screen even when he's not being filmed.

    • @edgarleft
      @edgarleft 7 месяцев назад

      It isn't a greenscreen. The lamp is green.

  • @marcusdire8057
    @marcusdire8057 Год назад

    Legal Eagle and Simone!? Yes please!

  • @fumui_
    @fumui_ 7 месяцев назад +1

    wait wasn't this one of the articles that got pulled on "Citation Needed"?
    or maybe "only 2 peoples are lying"? it was one of the Tech diff episode on Matt & Tom channel

  • @whophd
    @whophd Час назад

    Devin’s commitment to accuracy is on naked display here, as he struggles to maintain mystery haha

  • @mysteriousjess.
    @mysteriousjess. Год назад

    Well I saw Simone and LegalEagle on the thumbnail, was confused as to why two very different creators I’m subbed to are in the same video and clicked on it ❤😂

  • @thebigfatboo
    @thebigfatboo Год назад +1

    Watching this is like watching your fav superheroes from different cartoons mash up in a special episode 🎉

  • @censusgary
    @censusgary Год назад

    Simone! Fancy meeting you here!

  • @RichardWinskill
    @RichardWinskill Год назад +7

    These people don't watch enough LegalEagle ;) I got this one because I remembered Devin talking about it

  • @Nathanael_Forlorn
    @Nathanael_Forlorn Год назад

    Hey Christaldi.
    I always liked it, when you popped up in a wyrmlyfe.
    Thanks for being awesome and safe travels, to wherever the currents may drift you to.

  • @paulstransportandmore
    @paulstransportandmore Год назад +19

    I am always a huge fan of Lateral! Keep up the good work!

  • @bluffmasterhara
    @bluffmasterhara Год назад +2

    The operation was successful but the doctor died😂

    • @ala5530
      @ala5530 Месяц назад

      You joke, but that has happened. Even discounting anaesthetic explosions (it turns out that if it mixes with oxygen in the right proportions, ether is pretty volatile stuff), there have been occasions where surgical complications have resulted in the death of the doctor. Off the top of my head, there was one 19th century doctor (Robert Liston) who achieved a 300% mortality rate in one operation: he amputated a leg (in only 2 and a half minutes, as he was working before the invention of anaesthesia, so speed was vital to minimise pain and increase the chance of patient survival), successfully. Unfortunately, in the process, he also sawed off two fingers of his assistant (who was holding the leg in place). Both the patient and the assisting doctor subsequently died of hospital gangrene (not only was this pre-anaesthesia, but also pre-antiseptic and pre-aseptic techniques).
      Wait, that's only a 200% mortality- during the procedure Liston also sliced the coat of an observing bystander with his scalpel (presumably while switching tools to a bonesaw). The bystander fainted, and was later determined to have died of shock.

  • @rogink
    @rogink Год назад

    Very noble and chivalrous of the lawyer to 'take one' for his client! Almost as noble as Sidney Carton, who gave the ultimate sacrifice for his client, Darnay. "It is a far, far better thing I have done ..."

  • @FiXato
    @FiXato Год назад

    The lawyer was gutted he couldn't see his client acquitted. He could stomach it no longer to see his client accused.

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid Год назад +1

    3:03 I know the case. That poor guy

  • @hwkeyser
    @hwkeyser Год назад +4

    This panel is just amazing!

  • @djalland1
    @djalland1 Год назад +14

    When you hear a question like that and, like me, think "Surely everyone knows this story!" you know you need to reassess parts of your life.

  • @gabrieltenorio
    @gabrieltenorio Год назад +4

    You literally got my three crushes on a podcast bless

  • @V01D01D
    @V01D01D Год назад

    All I could think of was an old Three Stooges bit where they were called as witnesses to a shooting. The gun in question had a sticky trigger and the defense's case rested on the fact that the defendant did not have strong enough fingers to pull the trigger. To prove this, he gives Curly the gun, and Curly spends the next few minutes struggling to pull the trigger himself and winds up shooting the wig off the Judge's head.

  • @DanielDugovic
    @DanielDugovic Год назад

    "There are differing accounts about whether this happened in the courtroom... Someone got shot in the courtroom."

  • @10thdoctor15
    @10thdoctor15 Год назад

    I got this straightaway. It was told on Qi's episode about irony. Might be where Scott had memories of it.

  • @franzsapka
    @franzsapka Год назад

    Lovely team.

  • @dcplunkett
    @dcplunkett Год назад +2

    I wonder whether the demonstration that Tom was remembering one of the scenes from the 2007 movie "Shooter."

  • @nerdjournal
    @nerdjournal Год назад

    Well that lawyer went above and beyond... Sheesh.

  • @airex12
    @airex12 Год назад

    “The lawyer sadly perished a few days later”
    🎶 DA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NAAAAA 🎶🎵

  • @ozelhassan8576
    @ozelhassan8576 Год назад

    Horrible histories did a piece on this, horrible histories was a series of books but then become a long standing children’s tv series and films in the uk. I loved the series, big fan.

  • @LucenProject
    @LucenProject Год назад

    I didn't know this show exists, but I follow everyone here.

  • @KevinBingham
    @KevinBingham Год назад

    On the bright side, the defendant didn't have to pay the lawyer. DOH!

  • @jeffbenton6183
    @jeffbenton6183 Год назад +3

    Devin Stone, Esq. : No one will ever try this defense again.
    Me, wearing a bullet-resistant vest: Hold my beer.
    (Just kidding, that's way too dangerous to try, even with proper PPE)

  • @hand587
    @hand587 Год назад

    I was sure this was going to be a case of a stage prop gone wrong. Turned out to be even wilder!

  • @GimpyChinaman
    @GimpyChinaman Год назад +2

    I desperately wish to visit Tom's recording studio with some wire ties. Love this podcast, though.

  • @redpandamaniacal
    @redpandamaniacal Год назад

    I was wondering where I'd heard about this already. Seems from the comments that it was in a Legal Eagle video a bit ago, so probably from there then.

  • @swordfish1929
    @swordfish1929 Год назад +15

    Devin made a video about this

  • @addicted2caffeine
    @addicted2caffeine Год назад

    Oh I love a good Collab with my favourite RUclipsrs

  • @tonyk421
    @tonyk421 Год назад +2

    My dad told me this story when I was a kid.

  • @MrKockabilly
    @MrKockabilly Год назад +1

    I want a lawyer that would give his life for a client.

  • @Yorie1234
    @Yorie1234 Год назад

    4:44 "Your honour, my client is innocent, because I shot the victim"

  • @trapjohnson
    @trapjohnson Год назад

    Less than two weeks later, the Rust:Baldwin/Gutierrez-Reed shooting is back in the news.

  • @calebdeming5515
    @calebdeming5515 Год назад

    Used to play a board game called crack the case. It was like this and it would be amazing if you started playing that with people omg I need this in my life.

  • @BertGrink
    @BertGrink Год назад

    I knew this story even before Devin presented the question.

  • @asuraou6763
    @asuraou6763 Год назад

    All my favorite youtuber in one screen 🤯🤯🤯

  • @thepetermullins
    @thepetermullins Год назад

    My RUclips Venn Diagrams crossing again! Tom, how could you confuse my brain like this, I couldn't work out for the first 5 seconds whose channel I was on!!

  • @mrN3w7
    @mrN3w7 Год назад

    Now that's a lawyer I'd gladly pay him with the moon and sun lol 😆

  • @jespoketheepic
    @jespoketheepic Год назад

    This is such a memorable story, i knew the answer from the video title + thumbnail alone.

  • @Hrafnskald
    @Hrafnskald Год назад +6

    Legal Eagle plays Tom Scott to Tom's Tech Difficulties, good one :)

  • @suzannehawkins383
    @suzannehawkins383 Год назад

    kinda reminds me of my grandparents. my grandfather was using an old pump style mosquito sprayer. he managed to break his finger whilst pulling the handle back. my grandmother grabbed it and, as he was explaining to her what had happened, she was going through the steps to try to figure out where it went wrong. yup, she broke her finger.

  • @colinofay7237
    @colinofay7237 11 месяцев назад

    Which episode was this
    There are alot of episode but I do have poor wireless in my country and limits on Internet, I. Cannot afford to download all to find this. I subscribe and like the cast, but I cannot afford to download all past episodes, please if a person knows which number this was thankyou please respond

    • @lateralcast
      @lateralcast  11 месяцев назад

      It was 13 or 19. We do put episode cross-references in the show notes these days but not for the earliest shows.

  • @calebu2
    @calebu2 Год назад +1

    I'm pretty sure that type of legal service isnt billed at the standard rate.

  • @Aunini
    @Aunini Год назад

    I remember reading this in a Darwin Awards book - having said that, some of the guesses 🤨

  • @louisnorred8530
    @louisnorred8530 9 месяцев назад

    "You went like this! You went like this!" reminds me of 3rd grade lmao

  • @mason11198
    @mason11198 Год назад

    Better call Clement!

  • @DerMarkus1982
    @DerMarkus1982 Год назад

    0:20 Was that the lawyer who shot himself in the head "accidentally" while demonstrating to the court and judge how the accidental weapon discharge happened in the first place?
    EDIT: forgot to indicate that my assumption was there *before* I watched the guessing/solution...

  • @ferretyluv
    @ferretyluv Год назад

    I knew of this story beforehand so I knew the answer already.

  • @andy-in-indy
    @andy-in-indy Год назад

    And that, fellow law students, is the best example of aggressively pursuing your client's interests!

  • @tielessin
    @tielessin Год назад

    I find it crazy that the defense lawyer could just bring a loaded gun into the court room

  • @garybarnes4169
    @garybarnes4169 Год назад

    "Very unique." - Gah!

  • @GuanoLad
    @GuanoLad Год назад +3

    Wow, Devin has some top quality lighting.

  • @sicklymoonlight
    @sicklymoonlight Год назад +2

    i knew the answer immediately, thanks to devin's video.
    the panel's reaction to the final answer was great.

  • @Amanda-C.
    @Amanda-C. Год назад

    Aw, dang, I wish it was live-chat. I guessed the first one would be the one where the lawyer accidentally shot himself. But I can't actually make that guess real-time.

  • @nonna_sof5889
    @nonna_sof5889 Год назад

    It takes some real guts to defend a client in this manner. Unfortunately humans don't really have any to spare.

  • @DorifutoRabbit
    @DorifutoRabbit Год назад +2

    This is a great idea for a podcast Tom, I'll be subscribing to this
    Edit: great cast for this episode too

  • @DHxJarsyl
    @DHxJarsyl Год назад

    thats a hell of a lawyer.

  • @rachmadsuhartono
    @rachmadsuhartono Год назад +1

    The strongest defense a lawyer can do

  • @schuylermeyers6353
    @schuylermeyers6353 Год назад

    "what's more dangerous than a loaded gun? An unloaded gun!" Pogo

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean 2 месяца назад

    See, this is why you simultaneously keep your guns unloaded when not in use _and_ treat unloaded guns as if they're loaded.