Don't Buy A Telescope If You're New to Astronomy (AND WHY BINOCULARS ARE BETTER ;)
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Here I discuss why buying a scope at the start of your astronomy journey might not be the best way to jump into this amazing journey and why binoculars are truly the way to go at the start!!
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Gday. Your Pizza/Pepperoni Description Between Binoculars and Telescopes is Awesome. Gday from Australia Champ.
I was a fairly serious birder before I discovered astronomy so I already had a top tier pair of ED glass bins. As I started to look at the night sky with them I began to consider the slide into visual astronomy. I committed to use just my binoculars for one full year before making a scope purchase. I reasoned that if I were diligent enough to study and learn the night sky with simple gear then maybe the expense of a scope would be justified. So I eventually bought the scope, well over a year later. I got a modest Sky Watcher 102mm Mak on their AZ GTi mount. I bought five upgraded Plossl eyepieces, a moon filter and light pollution filter, a lithium power pack, the little Celestron PowerTank flashlight, and a William Optics diagonal and finder. Very competent and I'm enjoying it immensely. Oh and all that gear I listed still cost less than the binoculars I started with. +_+
what pair of binocs youre talking about
Sounds like you got a nice pair of German/Austrian roof prism binoculars for birding! They are on the expensive side for hand held astronomy. But if you already had them they are cool. Anyways you can use binoculars for other things, like bird watching or sporting events. In you live in a place with cloudy nights are a better initial investment.
I have the same telescope. Did you change the diagonal mirror? It never seems to hold fit in properly and the views look much better when I put the eyepiece directly into the telescope itself instead of the diagonal mirror. Also how does Jupiter look to you? From my 6 inch dob, you can see lots of detail but with the 102, it’s always too bright. Saturn and Mars on the other hand look perfect most of the time though
Observation with two eyes, no image inversion, no shake and quick locating objects. What is not to love about 20x80 binos on a parallelogram mount. Getcha one.
i've gotten into just stargazing and learning constellations in the past few months but man your enthusiasm has totally convinced me that i need to get binoculars and get really blown away!
Did u get a pair yet ?
@@aaronocallaghan7726 still on the lookout for a good pair! i'm having a really hard time finding some, the stores here sell mostly weak hunting or birdwatching binoculars. i have my heart set on getting good ones and i don't want to settle.
@@ashleyl3699 still looking a year later or do you found a good pair yet?
@@DraslyThe1 i never found a GOOD pair but i got some regular celestron ones that i have been enjoying. i have a hard time finding the specific things i want but the moon, mars and jupiter, and the pleiades, and the orion nebula i can find reliably and are so cool to look at!
@@ashleyl3699 Good that you settle for a pair! When you first look up and begin, you are never gonna go back. Its fantastic beautiful to look at! Sad that most people cant see it without "technology" because we are filling earth with light pollution
Hubby thanks u 4 getting him started n Astronomy. He was held back because he was hesitant to buy a complicated telescope. He purchased the Olympus 10 x 50 DPS 1 Binoculars n has been ENJOYING Astronomy ever since (for the last month). He even sighted the Andromeda Galaxy the other night with Binoculars which was truly AMAZING. Thanks for getting him started n for providing him GREAT ADVICE (starting with Binoculars n not buying a Telescope). I have Subbed ur channel! We both really love ur channel as he is the one who got me into ur videos n also the awesome hobby of Astronomy!
Greetings from New Jersey, USA, Soraya n Rob ;)
Would've been nice to know this before diving into astronomy. It's true. I've got an 80mm Celestron refractor (for planets) and a 130mm Skywatcher P130 Dobsonian (for faint objects), they're both great pieces of kit, but the problem is they are only semi-useful when you hardly know your way around the sky. So many forums recommend "minimum 8 inch Dobsonian for beginners" but what beginners ACTUALLY need is the ability to quickly scan large areas of the sky to learn what's out there. Going straight for huge magnification and huge aperture as a beginner is like buying the expensive competition compound bow for your first session of archery, it's cool but you won't maximize the potential of the instrument.
You explained this even better than me ! Kudos
A book like "Turn Left at Orion" shows you how and where to find objects. "Nightwatch" is another good book to get before buying a scope. So many people buy a telescope and look at the Moon and Jupiter then pack the scope away never to be used again! Great thing about binoculars is a lot of people already own them but never thought to take them out at night.
Can we really see galaxies using big binoculars?
@@prateeksharma5051 I can see the Andromeda Galaxy from my backyard with just my eyes. There are a few galaxies that can be glimpsed with binoculars.
Thank you so much! Probably saved me hundreds while I try to get into learning the night sky.
I just found your channel😍 thanks so much for the content! I just got my first pair of binoculars and can’t wait to get started!! it’s so cool to hear from people here in Ireland too🙌
So true I hate that I bought a scope before binos. I wish I bought a binoscope or an Oberwerk first!
I've been salivating over the nice binos that Oberworks is selling. Currently I have a very nice set of Nikon 10x50 wide angles and they are very sharp and clear. If I go higher than 10x then I will definitely use a tripod. Loved this video!
Thank you so much for this video, I recently became interested in sky gazing and was looking into scopes, now I’ve seen this video and will definitely get a pair of good binoculars👍🏼
Excellent video, thank you! Really excited to get started, the night sky really keeps you humble, looking at all these amazing stars! Big thanks for the video again!
Great video! Thank you so much for saving me the inevitable headache of having to navigate the telescope world just yet...You've convinced me to do binoculars first.
Great enthusiasm,the enthusiasm only Astronomy can give!
What a lovely video. I'm just starting my journey. I've got a cheap telescope, but found my broken binoculars are wonderful at seeing the sky. More importantly I'm learning the sky. So great advice. Hope you do more videos, you're a great presenter ♥️
Thanks man...
You cleared my dilemma of bins vs scopes 👍🏼
no problem Sir! thanks for watching
Also a quick feedback from me - I had just ordered a pair of Celestron binoculars yesterday before watching your video but if I hadn't done that, I would do it now after having watched your video :-) Great authenticity and passion! I have of course made the mistake having bought a telescope first but don't regret this as I know what is waiting for me once I learn my way around our skies - which I am starting to do. There are some books to help as well - for example "Turn Left at Orion" which is another recent acquisition of mine and I've already marked the objects I cannot wait to observe once the skies clear up any my binoculars have arrived (the book indicates which objects work well with binoculars or rather small and/or large telescopes) :-)
All the best and clear skies
Still using the Binos?
Thank you. I really enjoyed your video and your advice is very helpful!
Bad night for Astronomy but was trying out my 8x42 celestron binos and could see the windows in passing airplanes..amazing.
Absolutely right. Don't buy a beginners Telescope. Binoculars are better option. But if someone wants to start with decent Telescope then my recommendation is - "Celestron Nexstar 8 Se". Why i recommend this scope? It's because ...it's not beginners Telescope but fall under Intermediate level. Its GOTO scope which will help you find targets. Second, its good for visual astronomy and can also be used for decent Astrophotography. Attach the scope to German equatorial mount ....one can take longer exposures.
Just met Marcus at the Texas Star Party 2024 Eclipse event! His binoculars and eyepieces are world class! I have a 30mm Ultra Flat Field 70 degeee fov APM eyepiece, and it has a flat field across the field on my F 5, 10 inch Dobsonian. A well engineered, top quality piece of kit!
Completely agree. I've had both binos and scopes and you must have a pair of good binoculars if you're into astronomy. No exceptions. It has a lot benefits that you won't get from a telescope.
Thank you for your opinion.....I will consider buying Binoculars
from a fellow irishman...thank you...honest..direct...and no bullshit
Cheers buddy :)
Love this and I can relate! Great Video!
Great video. On a related note, Orion in the southern hemisphere will be upside down as compared to the northern hemisphere view. So, Beetlejuice will be bottom right and the nebula will be above the belt on the right side.
Amazing video 😀❤️, thank you for sharing 🙏❤️ keep uploading more and more videos... 😀❤️
Hi , it was an absolutely informative and educational video absolutely wonderful, I want to start my astronomy journey, this January also I am looking at binoculars and yea just like the way you said I want to really learn it all and give it a go! Unfortunately I don’t have a car and live in Dun Laoghaire not the best night sky but better than the Dublin City for sure, I am also looking forward to buying binoculars and have the 15x70 sky master from celestron on my list, could please give me suggestions regarding the same as I really am always amazed when I look up towards the sky and see any stars! Once again great video! Look forward to your response! 😇
What an awesome video. I am new to astronomy, but I remember having an old Tasco telescope as a child and never quite getting it on target or stable focus (amateur talk). Recently, I've developed an interest in stargazing and instinctively though a good set of binoculars would do the trick. I'm thinking of purchasing the Celestron 20X80 or something thereabouts. Thank you for the advice!
You're very welcome Sir. Thanks for watching.
another note, more important than any of this (binocs vs scopes) is where you are viewing. In the middle Paris or Las Vegas? Wont see much no matter what you use. Get into a really rural area, in the middle of the desert, and anything you use will be amazing!
Thank you for this content. Your enthusiasm is great to see. I'm a bird watcher and have recently started pointing my binoculars and spotting scope at the sky. I had the same reaction you described.
Great video … thanks for the help ! I am taking ur advice and just purchased my first pair of 10 x 50 binoculars…Celestrons. Cheers from Canada !
Would you recommend it ??
I enjoy this sooooooooooooooooo much
thank you so much! i just bought olympus dps 1, can't wait to see the sky for my first time!
Great video. I totally agree. The first two telescopes I bought were a waste of money. My expectations were too high and if I used that money to buy good binoculars, I would have had much better results. If you want your first telescope, look at the price you can afford and just see which binoculars you can get for the same price. You will get much better quality with the binoculars. The problem is people have no idea what to expect. For 200 dollars you will get something that will be incredibly hard to find objects with and keep in sight.
$200 for a telescope or binos?
Absolutely true: binoculars often are overseen as astronomical instrument. My tip would be to chose a binocular with image stabilization. Kite Optics 16x42 or Canon 15x50. No need for a tripod anymore.
Sounds expensive
That's $800 -$1000 USD. For that money, you can get a computerized telescope that guides itself to the location, and has much more magnification and clarity.
One hell of a review.
I recommend binoculars (I have a few types; 2x54, 10x56, 18-40x70, 10x42 solar binoculars), then getting a really good spotting scope. Spotting scopes are much less temperamental and delicate (mine is a 30-90x100), but can give you more light gathering and magnification. Then graduate to a Telescope. My Mead 12" very seldom is ever used. Too much of a hassle.
Good stuff I have a pair of 10×50 I love em and didn't spend alot got a great deal on them . you got a new subscriber, love the vibe you give off. Update, I got 16x50 and I love them, better visuals
I've been in an astronomy club for years. I've heard the newbies asking the same question "I'm new. What telescope should I buy?" If you say "I'd recommend binoculars" it fell on deaf ears. You could always tell by the look on their face that that is not what they wanted to hear. Why? They WANT to need a telescope. Everyone already has binoculars. Telescopes are for astronomy--binoculars are for bird watching (in their minds) The money was burning a hole in their pocket. Telescopes are just COOLER than binoculars and they just wanted to buy a new toy. After a number of years of this, I quit recommending binoculars because they were going to buy a telescope anyway. I now recommend an 8" Dob.
Thanks for watching . They just need to get the 'right' binoculars.
I wonder how many of the newcomers are still practicing the wonderful gift of astronomy?
I only ever set up the scope to image. The rest of the time the 25x100s still blow my mind. Quicker , faster and far more immersive in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
If they are willing to pay for an 8" Dob, should def buy a Dob. You can't hold a binocular steady
ED stands for extra low dispersion glass. 9:45
Thanks for the upload, your enthusiasm is so infectious and this is the best beginner advice I have found on here. I love the pizza analogy too, it makes a lot of sense as I'm looking to start out. I have reasoned that bins are best for beginners and it's great to get confirmation with everything described in layman's terms. Could you please tell me the mag and lens sizes of the binoculars please?
Thanks for your kind words Michael. The smaller Bins I have here are the Helios Apollo 15 X 70mm. They're fantastic. You can buy them from first light optics UK. Highly recommended. You'll need a mount for them too. The Horizon tripod is excellent.
@@galacticireland735 thanks for the reply and the feedback, I appreciate the benefit of your experience. Your lucky to have Wicklow on your doorstep, my guess is you're a Dub, as are most of my family that live in and around the capital? I live near Birmingham so light pollution is a big problem.
I have subscribed to your channel and will work through your uploads. Most seem to assume some level of knowledge with reviews and such which adds to my confusion. Are you allowed to give an opinion on the celestron skymasters, they appear to be good for the money but I have heard mixed reviews, from people but can't tell if it's down to them being used to much higher quality and priced bins?
Wonderful, many thanks.
You're very welcome Alan. Thanks for watching.
@@galacticireland735 For once I seem to have found exactly what I was looking for. I'm well interested in buying a decent pair of binos and am hoping that you can help me out. What kinda price are the second set you showed ? The ed 25 x 100. ( this presentation is three years old so I reckon they're a few punts more than 1100 now.) I'd also need an appropriate tripod for them too. ( I've been using a 25 euro pair from a supermarket chain and was gobsmacked even with those, lol.) Looking forward to your reply. Cheers.
Olympus and Nikon make very good binoculars. I bought Nikons because I did my research and also because they make excellent camera lenses. They are very sharp and clear for terrestrial and celestial use.
Good information,your enthusiasm is contagious
Really nice video! Would you please share a link where to buy those helios apollo 15x70 binos, thanks.
I got a refractor scope so I can at least see wildlife a mile away if I don't learn astronomy
Good explanation, thank you :).
Thanks for the information. Very informative. Take care.
Greetings from the Northern Ireland North coast.....subscribed
My first scope is on backorder.
I'm heading out with binoculars
Thanks
Great advice and perspective.
Great vid good info, But what is a "weighted Parralelogram Mount"? Never seen one? Amazon & EbAY have no idea what it is? can you send links?
Interesting, thanks, I bought a cheap scope years ago, I had those problems, will be buying decent binoculars later. Thanks!
Legit video. I am sold. I have only an 8x25 Celestron Nature DX bino.
I started out with telescopes, and have 25 x 70 binoculars on a heavy mount and I had still rather use a small telescope any day. But that is my preference other people may disagree. I have not had the binoculars long. But it is ok to take to the river to look at barges and boats. I would like to try a small pair like he has.
They be ok to use.
thanks for the inputs, very informative, i have learned a lot
Your passion for your subject is just great. Brilliant video also. Many thanks for your advice
Great video. I will check some of those Big binoculars
Good video
Great info. Thanks
What's the name of the binoculars? the big ones the helios
Helios Apollo. They're called Oberwerk 15x70 in the US
The really large 25x100s are the APM ED binos
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Are the 25x100 straight through binos enough though? I fear the zoom is on the low end(for a high end bino) with 100mm aperture, you can go up to 110-150x with 45/90 degree binos that support interchangeable lenses and not being pigeonholed at 25x
Love the enthusiasm, but disagree. First, an average, off the street person will not see any difference from a $3000 APO to a $325 Orion Starblast (assuming same EP). If you expressly point out, "hey see how Jupiter looks a bit more greenish?" then they say "oh yeah, hey!" But otherwise they're just as happy with the $325 scope. Second, you point out how troublesome setting up a scope can be (which is true), but you're talking about a GEM. You can get a 90-102mm GOTO from any of the big sellers for the same price you mentioned. Binocs are great, I have many... however for limited funds, to buy only one, I'd say go for the scope.
They are the same thing. Unless we are talking about a hubble telescope your average telescope is just a monocular
Agreed and if most constellations are at the zenith and or alot of trees are in your backyard.... using a telescope will be uncomfortable for your neck.
Thanks for the vid very helpful
Ramon, thanks for the video and recommendations. What brand parallelogram do you use with your APM 25 X 100s?
Yo where's the link to both binoculars? You said you would add them
Here you go apologies www.apm-telescopes.net/en/binoculars-7
I reckon astronomy could only be a serious hobby for people who live away from big cities. I marvel at the night sky when I'm camping at at relatively frequent once per month. I'm tempted to get a spotting scope but if I'm not even using binocs much that's a sign I'm not really interested in knowing the sky to that degree.
Really good vid 😀👍
Thank you ! I am hesitant, don’t know which I should by as a beginner: Celestron 15x70 or 25x70.. any advice?
Thank you very much for this video!!! Could you please recommend a pair of binos for lets say around 100-200 tops :(? Thank you very much!!
Nikon Action Extreme 10x50 is often recommended. If you want a roof prism binocular (the ones with the straight tubes) - you probably gotta spend more but I'm very happy with the Svbony 10x50 with ED glass. Quality control can be hit or miss on those but mine works great. So buy somewhere, where returns are easy.
What was the name of the binoculars you saved up for?
The Helios Apollo series.
My first binoculars were the same olympus dpsi 8 x 40...the best all round binoculars anybody can get
Can I ask what you could see with that magnification ?
What objects
@@aaronocallaghan7726 get ones at least with 12x that way you can see plenty of things, adramada galaxy , Jupiter , Saturn comets the moon of course. Make sure your objective is at least 32mm and up that's the lens sizes in the front. To me magnification is most important cause you can take your images and throw them in light room and boom, like the big bang. Even without post on them when your just naturally looking through them, it's incredible, just if you have trouble with stability when looking with 12x mag, just use a tripod.
I personally use x16 magnification and andramada looks beautiful with a 32mm front barrel or a 50. Like I said if people want to make the image they captures look like nasa photos just use light room and play with exposure, that will eliminate noise in your image, then play with sharpness, white balance, contrast, you'll be surprised how much the 2nd number really means. Now if you just want to observe at night naturally then yeah, objective size in the front is just as important as magnification. Either way it's crazy what you see in the night sky 16x your normal eye sight, that's what people forget when they just focus on the front end objective size.
Yes definitely, I have 16×32 and 10x50, I use 16x32 way more and with or without post things look beautiful 16x your normal vision that's incredible. In my opinion, magnification is most important if your going to edit, for a person that just wants t to go out and just look, yes the size matters in the front for live viewing quality, but even if you don't have any pair at least very minimal 32mm things still look great just not HD type quality, it's still wonderful cause it's 16x what your normal eye sees so your much much closer to that galaxy or star or moon or comet that's visible or any surprises out there, people use their cell phones and get some great stuff out there, I mean it's space the universe it's endless. I believe gal used I simple single scope that was at that time strictly for seeing far objects out in the ocean, all he did was point up one night and saw wonders, hunting rifles are clearer than what he used back then. Big or small objective lens, just have fun, either way your in for a hell of a ride. Oh I'm a professional photographer and cinematography and I know my stuff about seeing things at night with a DSLR and a full frame sensor doesn't capture as much light as a kids telescope😂 but thats wear camera settings and white balance and what aperture lenses your using, a completely different thing so anyone out there that thinks they need a 50mm objective, you dont, to see wonders, just make sure it's 32mm and up though 😂
What are the magnification powers of the second and third one ? What are the expected power (magnification)of the Binoculars that will be required to observe the nebulas or at least the far planets like Saturn?
Eventually I have 16×50 PENTAX Binocular through which Moon is observed very well , Jupitor with it's satellites up to some extent but Saturn or Nebulas are not observsble.
Loved your video, what binoculars would you recommend for someone starting off with a first pair?
Some 10X50 porros by a quality maker.
@@ricardosoto5770 exactly.
Brand wise Im very happy with my Nikon Action Extremes. (I have tested the Nkon Aculons, Orion Scenix and Celestrons) The Nikon AEX seem to feel professional under 250 USD, they are worth the price. Higher Ip I puld go for a Chinese KUO BAE8, from Helios, Orion, Oberwerk, APM, Williams Optic, etc. in the 250 to 500 range or for a Fujinon FMTSX in the over 500 range.
I sure like your 'pizza' reference. Mike in Oregon USA
nicely expressed
Im just getting into astronomy and looking for some decent binoculars i like the sou d of the nikon aculon 10x50 woukd these be any good for starts and clusters cheers
Hi there. Yes the Aculons would be perfect starter binos. Really good quality glass and you will get hours of fun and wonder from them. Thanks for watching.
Clear skies!
Hi again hope ur well would u recommend nikon aculon a211 10x50 or the 8x42 or what would u buy for around £200 cheers
Why dont you post pictures of what you see through those binoculars?
'Coz doing astrophotography from visual observations doesn't make any sense.
Any plans on trying out and Reviewing APMs new 40x110 wide angle binoculars in the future? Guess the worst thing about them is they way 18kg/40lbs!😮 just haven't seen any reviews on those Bad Boys yet.
@Galactic Ireland - those Helios Apollo you mentioned.....how do I get those, or something just like them, here in America?
Hi Sandra, In the US they are called Oberwork 15 x 70
@@galacticireland735 Oberwerk.
Sir Patrick Moore always recommended binoculars highly.
Great lecture..
bruh imo: you dont need to buy an equatorial mount or a large scope thats meant for astrophotography in a rush. a little scope on an alt az mount is much much better than binoculars, whilst being affordable and great visually (:
@@c.guibbs1238 yeahhhh
Subscribed with 🔔 clicked! I’m curious about the usability of monocular spotting scopes to look at the night sky…..have you tried any?
Hi...I have a telescope I had years ago,and as you say got fed up with ,and it's now in the loft..but I am going to treat myself to a pair of binoculars for my birthday.up to about 100 pounds.....what do you recomend........
I wear glasses and have fairly severe astigmatism (both eyes more than -1 extra at 90 give or take) so I really need to wear them when using binoculars but not many binos suit this, are there any good 10x+ pairs that can?
Hi there are you still selling binoculars helios apollo 1570 hds what would be the price? To be honest i know nothing about astronomy just like to look at planes or near the sea sometimes at night sky but no idea what constellations etc. Anyway would like to buy better binoculars and tripod . If you dont sell would appreciate your advice about midrange binoculars.Thank you.
do you have a link to where to buy the binoculars?
it's olympus 4*80 dps 1, you can search on amazon. there re still stocks now
Nope for the 15 x 70 @ €350 on the APM site. They have 16 x 70 for €750 though, not quite the same offer. Spoze it sounds about right. I seen x 50’s for €350. Have a look and correct me. : D
Hello, can you please tell me exactly this model of Helios you recommend?
He said it was an Apollo
I'm very new to astronomy as a hobby and just got a Celestron 25x70 binoculars which are 1.5 kgs. I'm getting very confused on which tripod I should get for these. Any recommendations?
Can you see all the planet's with a beginner scope?
Celestron is bed binacular I have a 15-35x70 I think fix zoom better
That is kind of a trap that some beginners fall into. There are good zoom binoculars but in totally different price level. Normal easily affordable binoculars should always have fixed magnification.
Hi im looking to get those helios apollos but cant find them anywhere can you help me out thanks
hello, I was wondering what you think about spotting scopes, I bring the spotting scopes because I bicycle tour and would like a minimal set up and looking at what a telescope would be great but unrealistic for me as I do knot know the sky like others and want to just look at the sky. Would love to hear your thoughts...cheers and thank you.
What about monoculars?
I found this on Amazon (ExploraPro 70AZ Maksutov Telescope - 70mm Aperture 750mm Focal Length) for $110. Is that not a good beginner scope for the money?
Can you tell me the zoom detail of the second set of binoculars that were about 350 euro?
Hi they are 15X magnification. Fixed. No zoom. Thanks ;)