Koigi Wamwere ajibu madai ya kupewa shamba na Moi, watoto kusomeshwa
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Koigi is right, Death doesnt purify
Koigi is right and that's after reading his books last year.
i personally suffered during moi era due to his bad system which made sure people from certain regions do not access affordable education. he used local powerful leaders to deal with those who rose up to the truth.
Am feeling the pain Koiki he's feeling,
people remember Ouko, if we are making Moi to be a hero, what about Uhuru who has sold Kenya to the Chinese who are now mistreating Kenyans and caning them in their own country, the truth must be spoken
Hapana sio Uhuru. sisi wakenya tunapenda pesa hata kujitharao wenyewe.
Koigi ur absolutely right
It’s true forgiveness has to be personal, intentional and genuine. You don’t stand on a podium and just throw words in the name of forgiveness for grave human rights atrocities committed against your subjects🧐🧐🥱
The problem ni vijana mezani kuuliza wazee maswali wasiojuwa mwanzo wala mwisho wake
Akuna mtu ukosa pekee ulichangia somewhere forgiveness is for your own good na sio lazima is up to you.
Fuck you
Your right
Hahahah....ulisahau ukasema mengi what a legend
This is good anyway. We cannot only speak of the good when someone dies. Death should paint a realistic picture of who a person was.
You are right
You are right Mr Koigi!
Moi said i forgive everyone who has offended me and if i have offended anyone i beg to forgive me.
TRULY I TELL YOU IF HE DID THIS FROM INNERMOST OF HIS HEART HE WAS FORGIVEN by God and his throne is preserved ..no matter how hard it maybe find aplace in your heart for forgiveness...
Let's live in forgiveness and love and we shall see God...we shall be called sons of God
I sincerely pity you, moi asked for forgiveness, and you are still bitter? even after his death? you will torment your heart forever
@@dandaniel.goodworkkeepitup1135 i dont blame you your understanding is as law at its best
Moi said "if i did anything wrong to someone"...he was not sure that he did wrong ...the IF...
NO I UNDERSTANG KOIGI'S BITTERNESS
FRED GUMO MUST BE ASHAMED OF WHAT HE SAID... IF MOI GAVE HIM(GUMO) SHAMABA, LET HI KNOW THAT , NOT ALL GOT 'GIFTED'......
call a spade a spade. Let's not coat bitter herbs with honey. But who am I to throw the first stone.
Moi publicly asked for forgiveness to everyone he wronged and he also forgave those who wronged him. That's biblical.
Moi and his family murdered and stole alot of Kenyan sovereign resources wealth just like his predecessor Jomo Kenyatta's family did and still are doing .
Therefore his apology ought to have been both symbolic and in tangible actions, meaning not just empty words but because of the amount of resources they have stollen they should have physically compensated every left behind parents and children whose parents were assassinated under his despotic directives and dictatorial regime.
Every human including Kenyans must be judged according to his actions towards another fellow man or woman while still living on earth and if you murder people to stay in power that doesn't have to suddenly change just because you died.
If you were guilty and sturbon when alive then you are also guilty in death. Mr Koigi Wamwere is a victim who was imprisoned and tortured by a cruel man who didn't forgive even when asked to do so personally and someone wants to say that the same cruel man now dead did that publicly and it is known what Kenyan inherently corrupt politicians are capable of saying while on the podium making a show and giving empty promises on many things that they do not mean but are just mere political rhetoric ?
So no it's unfair to literally force and bully a victim to forgive someone who was very brutal and cruel in life and now that he is dead somehow he has become an angel worthy of forgiveness. Hell No ! Koigi Wamwere is a living victim and wise intelligent people should listen to him and learn a lesson on how normal people or in this instance Kenyan citizens when they are given mandate to lead or political power can dramatically change and become one of the most cruel brutal and murderers devils on the planet who are immuned from genuine criticism. Kenyans should also learn that death should not be an excuse to cleanse there cruel evil sins and actions against another fellow Kenyan while living.
A Kenyan or anyone living who has committed grave human injustices must cleanse their own evil sins with tangible actions when they are still alive by actively doing visible good compensating deeds including asking for forgiveness from the victims you have committed inhumane cruelty to. That should be the righteous and just way to be honoured and respected.
Unless it's only in Kenya that you can live a very angry sturbon man who refuses to be criticized and reign as a brutal despotic and cruel dictatorship in life and suddenly in death you are the one whose victims have to be forced to forgive and anointed to sainthood which is unfortunate and illogical.
@ Judy Kirari : You didn't get the point or you are public citizen who uses illogical emotional attachment thinking by talking like one of Kenyan inherently chronically corrupt political predator class.
The political activist Koigi Wamwere and victim just said he had one on one conversation with the now dead dictator and directly asked him to admit his wrong doing by just saying and I am paraphrasing " I'm sorry and I apologize for all the pain I made you and your family suffer through just to force you to worship and love my cruel iron fist dictatorial leadership" but Moi didn't apologize and you have the audacity here to say he did that publicly and even going further comparing that to be something biblical ? To say you are insanely ignorant and wrong even when facts are made bare to you is an understatement.
Kenyans have a trust deficit. Infact you can never trust a single word that a Kenyan corrupt infested politician says on a podium infront of the general public.
When a corrupt Kenyan politician stands on a stage infront of a cheering fanatic crowd with a Mic in his hands it's always a show of ego boosting and an opportunity of shouting senseless empty rhetoric and a convenient moment to popularize political propaganda lies by way of mesmerizing, bamboozling and hypnotizing the always ignorant hungry, desperate and poor public.
If you are a Kenyan adult then you must have come to terms and a realization that any Kenyan especially a politician can never be trusted with what he or she says.
This is my advice to you which must be a principle and a golden standard in your daily judgement and social contracts evaluations "a Kenyan or any human must be judged in accordance with what one has done or actively doing and not what he or she says she's going to do". Since empty rhetoric are always lies masquerade with sweet and entertaining politically charged slogans and are in most of the time toxic, dangerous and deadly .
Was Saul ( Paul )forgiven by the families of the people he killed no but God forgave him but, human being are very hard to forgive . Our Almighty God is a mercyful God he always forgives us even if we do wrong. We are supposed to emulate his ways and do as his words tell us remember Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross because of our sins so that we will inherit the kingdom of God, let us forgive one another and we will be forgiven.
@@danielnjoroge9477 Very true & Amen
then he should return the 300 billion he stole, that is the biblical principle and X 7
Hayo mazuri pia mimi siyajui, asante shujaa Koigi.
So sad
Koigi is right
Have u guys fotgetten Wagala Massacre,,,, God will judge him accordingly
But Koigi ako na.point! I mean we only speak good of someone akikufa who will speak of his evil deeds! Many people suffered in silence under Moi's regime but hii haitaonekana ju mmekunyishwa maziwa mpaka mkakosa buruweein
Hii msemo ya mgala muuwe na haki yake umpe hapa ndipo unaingiliana MR Koigi ukosawa kabisa mia thil mia
Shukuru Mungu Uko mzima is end days tafuta ufalme wa mbinguni, U can see how people struggling with life,People dying like hens our youth suffering without jobs seek God first
Moi was a murderer,yall remember the milk but forget about ouko
Did he murder you?
...go piss on Moi's grave then and let your loved ones piss themselves at yours! 😂😂😂😂
The milk was sweet and delicious but anything else most those drunk the milk were innocent
🤔🤔
Fck ouko
He asked for forgiveness to anybody whom he had wronged or talked anything against him or her.
He did not ask personally to Koigi. And forgiveness is a personal decision. Forgiveness is also not guaranteed in any way,, it can be granted or not depending on circumstances
With all the money he looted, he would offer some kind of compensation. To detain someone for nine years, just to say sorry hiyo ni ngumu. He is now dead, living all his wealth which he fought so hard to protect at the extents of detaining innocent people. Wacha moto umungoje
Koigi is right. We cannot force forgiveness. Let us stop the hypocrisy when a person dies. Death should not be an excuse of rewriting history
people do not forget the Wagalla massacre, its only peasants should worship this despot! I like Koigi, we should call a spade a spade and not a big spoon!
Ukweli usemwe...hakuna kufinika uovu
Koigii ulikosewa na moi ama ni system , moi in his last day in power he said if I have wronged anybody forgive me and if you have wronged I forgive you .. Koigi forgive it will cost you nothing to forgive is devine
yep Koigi is light Moi as family man he is good ,but not as a president of Kenya.
Moi alitawala Kenya hadi akamtenga mke wake. Marehemu Jonathan moi ndiye aliyeishi kujua masaibu ya mama yake.
Yenyewe 9 years in jail is too painful . But please Koigi do yourself a favor and forgive for your own peace of mind
Pro 14:19 The evil will bow before the good, and the wicked at the gates of the righteous.
Am sure there is un hidden deed did that Moi applied to koige wamwere that's even in his face is obviously that Koige is very much bitter...but I think if the moi's family meets with koige am sure the can do something and koige atajirudi.....
I agree death shouldnt purify wickedness........Even Baba knows and that's why he didn't (Mwaga mchanga) or lay a wreath at Mzee's grave......
Get over it quick....even Odinga was jailed ... look at him now...odinga is a powerful man and you are still holding on to dust!!!
Odinga ate the Handcheque. Wewe Samea moi
We love Koigi
Muhini na muhiniwa njia yao ni Moja kwa fasihi sanifu. The literature which was taught in high school during the late 80's & 90's is what Kenya is going through right now! The book was the animal farm or in swahili shamba la wanyama.
Maskini koigi God Will pay u
He did ask that if he wronged anyone I ask forgive me.
Forgive to be forgiven aliye mkamilifu arushe jiwe,Ukijua ungali duniani mengine achia Mola,Mungu alikulinda katika jela Shukuru Mola Utapata vingi
Moi alisema Kama nilikukosea unisamehe ...na Kama ulinikosea nakusamehe....aliosha mikono yake it's upto you koigi to forgive him ama ukae nayo sababu alishaachilia
Koigi ikiwa Yesu aliwasemehe wote na you if you are a christian forgive
Marehemu aliomba msamaha kwa kila mtu tulimsika akisema aliemkosea amemsamehe na aliemkosea amemsamehe
On his last year in multiparty l remember him making a public apology and He said “ kama kuna mtu nilikosea na omba anisamehe, na kama mtu alinikosea nimemusamehe”.
Your bitter heart will never give you rest .
Moi is at peace. God forgave him, most KENYAN FORGAVE HIM THAT DAY, hence the reason why he was still LOVED and to date some people wish he could straighten things that are messed up right now.
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Koigi azungumza kiswahili cha TZ..
It is true that moi did things that were bad to some people if and only to those who refused to tow the line. But those are things that are supposed to be over and done with by now.
Moi asked to be forgiven but never returned the land and money he stole from Kenyans, families lost their loved ones during his term that is hypocrisy
Am sure to are taking tablets because keeping bitterness,anger etc blood pressure n depression, The LORD'S prayer 4give to b 4given,u are a prisoner of YOURSELF spiritually now.
Kwani koigi haujasoma Lords prayer? Samehe mara hio pls wewe ni mwanadamu unakosa pia
We don't have the voice of the truth coz we know the conci.....
Koigi is still indeed very bitter. I hope he finds it in his heart to forgive the man and set his spirit free
Who told you he has a problem with it?
Wamwere can articulate himself well in swahili...
Kirengero yap
Alioba msamaha we baki hapo
Ulikuwa unapeleka wapi machine gun illegal?
If YOU went through all that and you are still alive and has a piece of land and you can fly in and out, or travel within Kenya God has a reason to have sustain you.
SASA MTU KAMA MIGUSH atasema AJE🤦♀️
Wacha hiyo
Wewe Koigi uko na ukweli kabisa huyu moi yuko jehanam saa hii acha achomwe kabisa wala asikumbukwe tena aende kabisa
Wacheni Koigi..aongele wengineo..Matiba, Rubia, Njoya & many others. Don't force. They d their own experiences, & God is our judge!. You don't change history!
Hata mkosewa huomba msamaha amani iwe kama mkosea haombi msamaha..ujue ka hukumsamehea bado umembeba mpaka uombe Mungu akusamehee.may you find grace to forgive him n yrself before its too late.
I don't think death makes someone holy let's look at the coin in both sides.
Koigi we ni mwanaume na kama watu wote wangekuwa hivio hii nchi ingekuwa mbali wachana na agwambo wa kujifanya mzuri wakati moi ashakufa na ilhali alitendewa mabaya mengi na sijamsikia akiyataja hayo.
Hakuna mtu amesahau the things we hear that he did ....swali ni how long will we be hearing these things now that he's no more 🤔 ....sioni what will benefit you and the others who keep on reminding us wachaneni na mzee priss...kama ulichukua shamba or not that's your choice he did his best while he was alive...if you also choose to keep on thinking about what he did to you that's your choice too but give us break sasa ashaenda na harudi mkifika siku ya judgement God,wewe and Nyayo will know how to deal with it.
Koigi your age does not allow you to keep remembering all who through stone or beat you. Eg teachers , your parent must have beaten you , etc will you ever forgive them.eti ulikosa Shamba kwa Saba I uliongea , kwa moi hiyo ndiyo ulimkosea . You’re not perfect, all of us are sinners. If your good you would still be subukia M.P say sorry to everthing even soil, plants. Ants you step them while walking bye
Kma wataka kumsamehe ni ridhaa yako sio lazima kufosiwa kusamehe nop mwenyewe akiridhika kusamehe Sawa hajaridhika sio lazima
Wanataka kugeuza historia. Kusahau kwetu ndiyo tumeendelea kuteseka. Tunawasifu waliokuwa na madhambi
Moi has gone it's upon you to forgive or not to forgive and he publically asked for forgiveness
But refused to ask Koigi personally for forgiveness. Thats hypocrisy
Koingi forget and move on
Easy to say. You should have a big chunk of your life "interrupted" where you are forced to flee your home and see how well you forget it. Remember Koigi went to court and essentially was told that the govt did not torture him. The least they could have done is acknowledge the injustice against him like they did in Rwanda after the genocide. Kenyans love to whitewash criminal activity by politicians. 2007 PEV victims were also told to forget and move on. Go figure.
Msamehe na usahau
Moi is dead. Forgive him and move on bwana Goigi Wa Wamwere. Bitterness is very expensive
si yeye moi pia alitandikwa makofi na wasaidizi wa kenyatta si alisahau jamaa na maisha yakaendelea. Alteast forgive but dont forget koigi. sasa wataka watu wafanyeje bro. ungelikua umelileta hili akiwa mzima na kumdai fidia.
I knew Gumo was just doing PR.
Koigi wamwere hakuna hana mapugufu,wala aliyekamilika so ni vizuri kusamehe hata kama hakukusamehe
RUBISH
If njoya can forgive and he wasn't given anything by Moi what about you. You shouldn't have taken his gift then. I feel you though but don't dwell in the past. It will eat ur soul.
Did you even watch the video?? You are stupid!
Koigi amenena
Wewe ulikua unataka kuvuruga amani....ya wakenya
Ukosawa ata familia ya ouko bado wako nahuzuni huyo alikua muuwaji atakaribishwa nawao huko
Nobody is paffect in this world na muache ukabila
Pride is epidemic. Koigi you need to grow. The bible has no command for us to forgive only when someone ask for it. You are way too wrong and your bitterness will only bring shame on you at these last days. Moi asked anyone whom he had wronged to forgive. Now you will live to be his slave as long as you hold bitter feelings on him. Him is rested. Remember your days are winding down too! Its worth to confess to God and Moi for your bitterness.
Nilisoma na mtoto wa Koigi bell-house Nakuru ; Maskini wa mwisho.
Koigi wa Wamwere ana mabibi wengi na watoto wengi. Hakuwalinda mabibi wengine vyema.
Aki udinimalize timzon so ni mtu wa twa twa
@@nancynaipanoi4866 😂😂😂😂
Sasa twa twa imeingia vipi kwenye hii conversation????
@@muotinzmultiply88 pigia koigi atakujibu juu anijua..usikaniulize maswali ya kipuzi
@@nancynaipanoi4866 ...wewe ni mjinga..mwenye kuongea twa twa na usiulizwe maswali
Fitina tuu na usabasi!! Jinga wewe
Juu wewe ulikuwa tajiri ungemsaudia
Hahaha nyanyazo la pili
Moi wronged you, that's true but you can't forgive him Biblically you are wrong too. He asked for forgiveness to whoever he wronged, but even if he did not you should also forgive, you also have not lived a holy life nor even live in heaven, do you? Are you an angel? Are you perfect either? Forgiveness is the best option for you.
Ooooh my God basi wewe msamehe Moi aende na akapumzike kwa amani serikali hawa wakubwa wa serikali wanakua hivyo
"Kama kuna yeyote nilimkosea ani samehe na Kama kuna yeyote ame nikosea msamehe."RIP Moi
Faith Akoth go and listen to the clip well
Moi will never rest in peace in hell
Koigi, koigi , you are now a old man you should by now learn your lessons well, bitterness wouldn’t take you any where, why is it that you don’t agree with any other leadership , surely you can’t train old dog new tricks ,
@ George Kinyari : It's ignorant, stupid and senile people like you who admire and condone poor despotic leadership like Moi dictatorial leadership which didn't allow any form of criticism and divergent political views which could have ensured that the interests of each and every Kenyan in the entire nation were taken care of.
Just because you are an opportunistic side liner and not a victim of human rights injustices and prolonged torture doesn't give you any right to just call a genuine political freedom fighting victim names. That is very cheap of you.
Do you even know that during his time under brute Daniel A. Moi's dictatorship regime Mr Koigi Wamwere was detained and later imprisoned for just having a divergent opinion and sharing his genuine sound political criticism.
So if there is any kind of freedoms and rights you might be enjoying right now it's due to the uncompromising stand, political liberation struggle and personal sacrifice of this man among others who were violently assassinated for all Kenyans to enjoy the same freedoms and rights. Mr Koigi Wamwere, Kenyatta Sr, Jaramogi and Moi among others fought so hard and tirelessly the British brute colonialists occupation to be free from but when Kenyatta and Moi got the mandate to lead they became worse than the just defeated British colonists.
Mr Koigi Wamwere ought to be the genuine selfless Kenyan patriot to be honoured and respected but unfortunately there are unappreciative ignorant psychologically blind people like you who would rather honour bad inherently corrupt political predator class leadership behaviour and worship brute despotic dictatorship the likes of Moi regime instead of using the righteous logic of understanding and respecting a genuine liberation struggle, activist and a victim of inhumane injustices like this freedom fighter Mr Koigi Wamwere is.
Do you know what they say about # Karma ? Just remember this " if something painful happens to a fellow man and you ignore it # laughing next time it may happen to you while # crying". That is a promise from nature/ the universe which never fails to deliver.
Do you if whatever happen them day today you will get the likes of Hon Koigi and other to get democracy we are enjoying. Look at our neighbouring countries????
Moi was evil. He causes alot of pain to many. There is a process to forgiveness and Moi never accomplished it. One of the processes is making it right with the victims like Mr. Koigi. I have nothing good to say about Moi as a President. If you do then you shouldn't complain about what is ailing Kenya currently.
Lazima ulikua na makosa
Ungenunua ulikuwa kazi,lazima ungepewa shamba .pesa ngapi umelipa shamba miaka yote ile Koigi you have to change like Mandela.
Koigi can carry beefs for all the dead in the world.he's very bitter
Bcz ur not him, u can't know how much he's hurted..
You are still very bitter Koigi.And its deeply unfortunate that you might never forgive this man until you take your last breath.
Moi did ask for forgiveness, and he did forgave, those who wronged him. Moi did it before the world.
Koigi release forgaveness to all, we were once deceived. Only a fool doesn't change his mind.
MOI was a giraffe,he could see far, this is what I have picked from him through Do Ruto, CHUKI NI MZIGO NA UKABILA NI UJINGA. Make your choice.
When u start an apology by by saying " if I wronged u" ,right there you've already disqualified your apology. If you're genuine about an apology, you say you're sorry for the wrongs you did to that person and then you ask for their forgiveness, they either accept your apology or not.
Why u waited when he has died
Mlikua mnaulizana Nini na Moi
Lazima kuna usumbufu fulani ulikua nayo
Ulikuwa unatafuta kazi na kila kazi iko na challenges zake OK.kwani hukulipwa wakati wako wa umbunge.hata ku
Koigi huna jipyaa ndio watu wa Subukia wakakataaa
acha ku complain bwana. Moi is dead
Sala Tuliofundishwa, Na Bwana wetu YESU Kristo, Inasema' Utusamehe Makosa Yetu Kama Sisi Tunavyo Wasamehe Waliotukosea" Na Wala Hakuna Aliye Mkamilifu Ila Mungu. Wewe Endelea Kubeba Mizigo ya Chuki. , Utavuna Hiyo Chuki, Mzee Amepumzika, baada Ya kuomba Msamaha,
Na huyu koigi ako tofauti na miguna kweli?
Very very different. Miguna is just a loud mouth but Koigi is a sound mind who did hard time in jail for two regimes.
Mtu akiondoka duniani kisawa msamehe mwenzako
Koigi wacha kuwa miguna miguna you know moi last public speech he asked for forgiveness from all he had wrong including you.maybe you are not kenyan
Kuekwa jela haikuwa makosa yake ni yako.....
This is how even we from mt Kenya who have bitterness with dynasties are having a second thought about electing ruto....we don't want a repeat of nyayo 2.ati makosa ni yake.
@@geraldnjagi6366 and is Uhuru perfect
Moi said in public he forgives all that offended..him and those he offended to forgive him...what does Koigi want....is koigi a Christian? The bible states that forgive your enemy and love them..koigi may want to seek the worlds sympathy...but end up miss the heavenly kingdom for not forgiving....what did jesus say about his persecutors?..what about stephen? ..when he was stoned to death....Koigi acha roho mbaya chafu yenye chuki...RIP mzee moi...It doesn't matter what you did...God forgives even at yhe last minute...like the thieve on the cross...he was forgiven.b
Miaka 13 ndani and many more persecution
@@raphaelkimani2538 Forgiveness doesn't matter what one did..it's deep down from ones heart...and move on.rem the crowd that wanted to stone the woman for committing adultery?hesus asked...if none of them has never sinned to be the first to stone her...kougi is not pure he ought to forgive
Unaomba forgiveness and u knew that u were hurting n torturing pple, he knew what he was doing so forgive him aje?? U only say sorry, forgive me kama hukujua unaumiza watu. Bure kabisa. Sorry does not bring a dead man back to life. Maziwa yakimwagika hayazoleki bana, so ati sorry maziwa yamemeagika?? Koigi n his bro were in jail when his Dad died, his Mum refused to bury her Hubby untill his/her 2 Sons were released by Moi, did Moi release them to attend burial?? Ati alafu forgive me kama nimekukisea. Hakuna 'kama' ati 'if' l wronged u?? Moi alimkosea sana Koigi n family, wacheni bana