The Never Ending Grind of Modern Warfare Zombies
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
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Modern Warfare Zombies is designed to waste your time and now that MW3's Season 01 has rolled around the gatekeeping of end game content is more present than ever before; giving games like Black Ops 3 and Black Ops 4 a run for their money. "Fortunately," the dev's (Treyarch and Sledgehammer) have figured out a way to solve the players' issue of grinding forever and ever by adding purchasable items to help you skip the tedious and slow set up of MWZ Call of Duty has finally monetized your time. Hopefully things don't get to far off of the rails... but only time will tell.
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An Unforgiving Grind: The Dark Side of Modern Warfare Zombies
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I am actually really fond of Modern Warfare Zombies but I would be lying if I said if it was perfect. The main issue is that it is a time suck and purposefully designed in such a way the incentivizes the player to spend money to get to the fun faster. But what do you think about Modern Warfare Zombies at this point? It's been out for almost two months... What's the verdict boys?
Spend money on what? You can't buy anything in mwz and if you play enough it's easy to get everything
I mean, I can already tell you didn't watch the video bc I break this down multiple times throughout. And you don't have to watch, idc, but I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself where you can clearly hear the thesis, arguments for and against the system as well as solutions.
@SkeptixPrdxn there isn't a problem with what they are selling they could lower prices to make things nicer but they won't and other than them nerfing xp on guns per round the games almost perfect. If they made some small changes they could have the ultimate zombie mode and I've hated all previous zombie games because of all the tight spaces. Wide open is definitely the way it should be
@SkeptixPrdxn and watching or not watching you didn't say anything about them doing anything but setting up the idea of selling them stuff which they probably will eventually but there is 0 reason to buy anything unless you suck and can't play the game without the stuff. You can go in and gear up in 1 game easily coming into the next game loaded to destroy everything
@@kylespam6908 Nice. Good job buddy.
Edit: I don't even know what to say to you man, you're just making up stuff, arguing against points I never made, and contradicting yourself.
Yeah that’s what I’ve been saying. I love having long grinds, but these grinds aren’t very engaging. It’s a bunch of filler and RNG. Better than nothing, but I do feel it’s making people think this mode has a lot more depth than it actually does
Don't worry, bro. Two of your tweets are in the video :)
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@@Richtofens_revenge no I'm kidding! He just always has firey tweets ab the mode. So I used em. The dms thing is a joke.
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i dont think so. i think most people know this gamemode doesnt have a lot of depth, because realistically you it's so lacking in it you can feel it, still fun for sure, but damn is it boring at times
To avoid the blue light, grab the bunny while holding a jug kill streak. If you get the blue, fully inspect your gun and switch guns.
I throw my aether blade and it goes away. I haven’t tried a grenade or Molotov. But aether blade always gets rid of it. Idk why.
Thanks for the other tips though!
A huuuuuuuge issue is tier 3 loot. I shouldn’t ever have the possibility to get a cryofreeze ammo mod and nothing else from a tier 3 contract. I have over 5 days of play time on zombies and I’ve only ever seen ONE legendary tool from contracts.
From my perspective, if the schematics you unlocked didn't have a cooldown once you unlocked them the sense of power they offer would diminish pretty fast as they would become the "new normal" The point of the game is to 'waste time'. As long as you're getting entertainment out of it, then it's not a waste. You wouldn't say you wasted time watching a movie at a theater if you enjoyed the movie. Did you actually get anything out of that experience?
That said, the common refrain is " Couldn't they make exfiling with schematics decrease your cooldown?" I think that would be a good fix, but what's the point as long as the tombstone glitch is in place? They could have removed that in the last patch but they didn't. My guess is this is something they're looking at.
I think they'd be tempted to monetize the game, but are very aware of their player base and don't want to go too far. They've never put anything on a pay-to-win system before, not intentionally anyway (rose skin,) so I doubt they'd do more than what they've done so far; a couple of zombie tools in a battle pass cell that are already available in-game.
Some simple balances to the looting system and progress the story... and please, no more worms.
Yes, I was thinking the same.
About new stuff, the most thing I want are new contracts and more variety of enemies.
This is both very well made and very well spoken. Great job on this vid man!
I had a good time making it! And the fact that you enjoyed it makes my day that much better!
Having the ability to force unlimited items into the stash is the only reason I’ve been playing this mode lately. Don’t have many of the schematics I’d like to have but don’t really care either. Just something to mess around with when there’s downtime
Hey skeptix,
Are you aware that someone is reuploading your videos? The channel claimed it was you doing an experiment but a lot of people aren’t convinced.
Yeah, it's me doing it. I was just trying to see how a channel with zero subs would perform with videos that did really well on my main channel.
Genuinely forgot about it until the other day. The account is linked to my email. I have the proof. I also addressed it on the Voyage comment section. But I understand the confusion.
It's just data collection, that's all. But I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
I grinded for DAYS to get every schematic in preparation for the release of season 1. I obtained every schematic and beat every story mission on solo (before the mercenary nerf, so it was a mess). I got stuck where the game wouldn’t give me the Brain Rot ammo mod, so I spent at least 6 games doing nothing but tier 1 contracts (which was insanely boring). Finally got it, finally felt accomplished.
Then season 1 launched. I genuinely tried attempting the Red Worm (Greylorm) boss. Tried it solo, with randoms, etc. with no success. Simultaneously, I watched others on RUclips explain what was required to get all the new schematics. This just started to feel like a second job.
I realized I like playing around in the world and doing whatever I feel like - not grinding and getting stressed hoping a schematic I want drops. So I honestly just gave up and I just play with the schematics I have.
We are in the same boat.
They need to increase how much loot you can have in your out-of-game stash and increase the timer. With 45 minutes, you’re needing to exfil right when you get all set up to progress to tier 3/4
As some one still in act one i am addicted to this mode i can not stop playing and a big part as a solo player the community in this game is incredible and the ability to join other squads has had some of the most ive ever had in the mode coming from someone whos been playing since waw
The Dark Aether is definitely the best part. Once you get there the game is really pretty good. But the time it takes to get there is too much for what they’re offering.
@SkeptixPrdxn while I agree that rewards need buffing & balancing, sigil isn't really designed to have much to offer (maybe a good weapon case or two) but access to Elder Sigil right? That's not more of a problem than say tier3 giving mid tier loot. Elder has the guaranteed schems, tier4 is only a stepping stone, or atleast that is what it seems like.
Time to get there? Hop on game chat. Ask if anyone is going, odds are very high that a squad is going. Ask to join. Run a few contracts, wall-buy legendary. Run few more contracts. Pack it. That gives a fighting chance, especially if other party members have stuff to share.
As a solo, sure, your grind might be harder but such is the soloist dilemma.
As far as doing act4, then collecting Easter eggs, then unlocking dark aether....
Sure that takes time, but that's not what u mean right? Isn't that part of the game?
In my experience as a solo player, once you get all the overpowered shit, aether blade, golden armor, scorcher schematic, etc, it is a really fun game with a lot of replay ability but the grind to get to the point where you can use all that stuff is just ungodly long. I had 200 hours played before I got my first classified schematic.
As a solo player, if it wasn’t for glitching, it’d be kinda laborious.
Considering how this mode is essentially DMZ with zombies, I'm surprised at how few quality of life changes they have brought over from DMZ. DMZ players had to suffer for months before they started adding obvious quality of life changes (out of game wallet, missions that let you upgrade stash capacities, various cooldowns and other time related things, in game weapon modification benches, etc), and I hate that MWZ seems to be following a similar trend instead of implementing them from the start, especially since the groundwork has already been laid out for them. Afterall, DMZ was a free BETA experience, and zombies comes with a $70 price tag. That being said I am enjoying the game for now, not sure how that will change once I finish all the missions. I just hope they improve the game's quality of life sooner rather than later...
Also this video is so well put together, and you explain your points very well, I hope this gets the views it deserves!
They knew nobody was going to buy MW3 so they dropped a quick mod onto DMZ to attract the Zombie community to buy their game. 1 dev could have made it. 🤣
You don't need to do the Easter egg to get to the Dark Aether after they started dropping sigils in Tier 3. Originally the only way to get the normal sigils was by doing the Easter egg.
You're half correct, but I think there is a bit of a disconnect here.
In order to get into the Tier 4 (Easy) Dark Aether the first time, the player just needs to follow the steps for Act IV which is the Purple Worm Boss.
Then in order for the player to have the Tier 5 (Medium) and Tier 6 (Hard) Dark Aether portals unlocked with their account the player does need to complete the item easter egg that turns three basic items from epic rarity to ultra rarity (as the first one collected drops from the Gorm'gant fight). Sigils may drop from Tier 3 but it would be useless on an account that hasn't completed this aspect. If a player who hasn't completed this quest party's up with another player/member who has completed everything and is able to go into the Tier 5/6 Dark Aether portals, and the player who hasn't completed anything still finds sigils, they would have to drop them to him so he could open up the Dark Aether.
A player who hasn't successfully completed everything can still accompany other party members but they can't access or do any of the end game content on their own as they hadn't completed the Ultra Items easter egg.
And all of this is good to know since back in 2021 Treyarch made the effort to make easter eggs and quests more accessible to the masses. I am really glad they stuck to their word and aren't making things convoluted, bloated, and confusing! That would be tragic!
They also need to get rid of the warnings for people for “disruptive behavior.”
You can joke with your friends and still get reported by the game. All interaction between yourself/your group and randoms seem completely calmed down. I bet it is becase of those dumb warnings.
I don't know if anyone else has clarified but yes, it is possible to obtain duplicate schematics from Greylorm. I have received at least two flawless aetherium schematics when I already had one.
First thing they need to add is an Exfill streak like in DMZ. Reward me for surviving please. I think they should reward you up to 20 successful exfills. Making you win more points or even starting with a certain rarity on your weapons. Second thing is I really think all contracts should reward you with perks. If the game detects you do not have all perks it should give you perks. I actually believe that they nerfed this. Before season 1 I always had perks at the end and start. If the game detects you have all the perks then it should stop giving them to you. The game is fun but frustrating some times.
All of these are solid points. 👌🏻 love it.
Amazing video bro
Thanks for the comment. I go to the graveyard every game just to see if you're around ;)
They give certain streamers different RNG so they can get the high end loot and make content so it tricks you into thinking YOU can do the same if you follow what they do. You are not playing on a whitelist like them, YOU are on a different server with AI controlling the lag, packet burst and nerfing your bullets in real time to play you and make you spend money with EOMM.
In tier 2, i have gotten two uncommon eather tools in one thing. Then, in tier 3 rare ones
That's unacceptable in my opinion
Love your content!
I do DA every match, even after greylorm. I am able to keep stocked up with armoured plates, blades, legendary tools and dog bones. If I don't use them the next game I'd have too much after. I don't mind the cool downs at all, I'd be fine if they changed or stayed the same.
I see a good bit of lesser skilled players not being able for the red zone and feeling left out and they turn to glitchers. I feel sorry for them. Whereas a team of hardcore players can enjoy and beat t5 threats every match. I never infill with others, I normally join a team which is in T3 already who often have loads of money from tombstones.
I do enjoy MWZ quite a lot, after not playing cod in a decade.
Let’s be honest, you don’t need to tombstone at all, I never do and 100% ALWAYS do either a Sigil or elder Sigil every game or redworm & (elder) Sigil in the same game. I haven’t touched tier 1 or 2 in over a month.
You can earn enough points in a game to do redworm & Sigil in same game and complete all contracts EASILY
This comment has completely misrepresented what I have said and reframed things to fit a different argument.
Of course you can go into the game *with schematics* and get to the Redworm and do whichever sigil you want. I literally break this down in the video. It's what happens AFTER that when you introduce the cool down timer - which decreases the fun and increases the tedium.
Because when you go into the game and use all your good schematics and potentially fail or there is a crash (because this game has trash servers for most people), you have start completely over. Using tombstone alleviates the grinding process.
Thus, there is *no way* to start absolutely barebones (or while you're items are on cool down) and become fully set up to fight red worm or be strong enough to handle Elder Sigil w/o going down.
Despite all of this... even if you are able to overcome all the things I have listed out... the only reason you are able to get to Redworm frequently is likely because you play with large squads, or you have abused the stash tab and have tons of legendary items saved, or you're a 1% player that just plays 24/7 and has optimized the strategy which means you represent an teeny minority of the player base.
I am going to presume its the stash tab glitch which is just another form of abusing the game and no different than using Tombstone. And hey if I am wrong, send me your gameplay and I will say I am wrong.
I usually play w 1 other person, maybe 2 for make a full squad but at more then capable of solo.
I haven’t abused the stash glitch it’s 10/10, I grind T3 all game every game & do 1 of the sigils. So the rewards I get go into my next game so if I do ever crash my stuff is already of cooldown for when I do need to use it.
I don’t know how to record on pc cuz I’m new to to it but I could figure it out and send you a gameplay.
There is a 0% chance that you can go in the game with zero schematics and get to the red worm in one match - it will take at least 2, maybe 3. I'm also still not sure you understand my argument, and you're also proving my point with grinding and saving up stuff slowly over time. Either way, you're being punished. You're punished for using your good stuff and getting rewarded with weaker stuff, or you're punished by grinding and saving your good stuff to eventually get one good run.
It's possible to get into the dark aether in one match, but it's not very viable bc you won't be super strong. But I know people have kind of optimized for that by simply avoiding the zombies, which seems... idk pointless.
GeForce Experience has free recording software if you have a Nvidia graphics card. Or you can use OBS. There are a million ways to record. If you do it and send me the video, I'll react to it and eat my words.
But here is the challenge based on my video. You have to get the Red Worm in one game. You can't use any schematics or loot from previous games. You have to go in completely empty other than your load out weapon.
Good luck.
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That’s why I’m duping tried doing legit but to much time wasted. Great video agreed with everything you said.
I had half a million essence, gold plates, 2 legendary wrenches, aether blade case and a few other goodies in my tombstone and i spawn in UNDER the map and die instantly losing it. I dont glitch, i just use tombstone to is fullest potential so to lose it all to the GAME glitching is so annoying
BRO!!! THAT HURTS MY SOUL!
I've not played in like a week, and besides finishing off the few tiers I have left, I don't plan to. Not only am I fed up with the constant connection issues, but the game is flawed. Golden Aether Tools are insanely rare, and waiting 72 hours for one is just as insane.
I've been enjoying the heck out of Resident Evil, horror games in general. Great time for COD players to explore their taste in games.
i think the worst part is the crashing. it's about to make me just grab bone collector and dip cus wtf
straight up losing all your stuff for something that isnt your fault (and it happening consistently) is a problem and they need to speak on this. its been happening since mw2 but with mwz it's even more fustrating.
I'm all for a grind, but some challenges and games can be downright unfair/bullshit.
The ZRG 20.MM in Cold War for example was an absolute slog to get done, especially with how awful penetrative damage was for snipers.
Black Ops 4 had a bunch of dumb challenges challenges some of the guns; including 500 Vermin kills, 250 Crawler kills and Kills with/out Perks.
Remember when games were just fun and not capitalistic psychological dystopian manipulative experiments?
I do. Games were a more fun experience back then.
It’s complicated bc for example I love the god of war combat inside of Ragnarok and that’s something we could never have experienced 10 years ago. But the immersion and fun and feeling was spending hours inside a unique and imperfect world is something that hasn’t been recreated ever since the peak technological tools have been available to devs.
It makes the games that do use them correctly that much more special. Like Elden Ring or resident evil 4 remake.
It’s a weird time and I hope we push through it.
CoD zombies died with BO4 and the last good game we had was back in 2015. So no - there probably wont be a good CoD Zombies period.
Remember when Christopher Judge cracked a joke saying his speech was longer then the latest call of duty and a few of the developers took to twitter saying “Well our game has more user engagement than yours” yeah when you stretch shit out with a fuck load of grinding you can says you got the bigger numbers but at the end of the day it sure as shit ain’t gonna make your game any more fun
Based reply. Anyone can fudge numbers. Like how my channel has the most subscribers out of any channel on RUclips who covers zombies, who live with a cat named Kano, and uploaded today at 5pm today, and who ate sour patch kids for lunch.
The dupe glitch and the discord communities are what make this game legit.
Couldn't agree more.
You are hitting alot of great points here. This mode is nothing like zombies back in the day. I'm hoping to see them improve and change alot of the unnecessary aspects of the mode. I've spent quite a bit of time in the mode and have nearly every schematic there is to get. I'm also glad I subscribed to you, a relatively small channel but posting quality content. Keep up the great work!
I appreciate it! Thank you! I am going to post pore regularly now that I have some stability in my life. So let's just have some fun and talk ab zombies!
Bur yeah dude, the game is fun and there is a solid foundation. But we have a waaaaays to go.
As a solo player I totally agree.
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Beautiful video btw
Can't forget the goat.
You know this does bring up the question if games are or were made in the intent to "Waste" your time but in a good way, cod mw3 is not a game to waste time in a good way.
As someone who’s got less time on his hand than I did during the Golden age of zombies, I’m kinda glad I skipped out on this one ngl lol
It is actually a fun mode. But you have to invest at least 40 hours into it to complete the season 01 content. And likely more to get through the launch content. And the content isn’t super deep. The grind is. It’s an illusion. But there is a lot of fun there. It’s confusing.
@@AfterLiveAnalysis Yeah…If it’s all the same to you, I’ll stick with BO3 and BO4. At least until Gulf War comes out lol
Never liked zombies past bo4. Anything after that is soulless and has no charm.
I started playing last week and honestly it’s fun but the the act mission are a pain in the ass and so is grinding schematics. that being said theirs a lot of players who will help you with tier 3 or the red worm and help you get the real rare schematics. I like the mode but the grinding is so screwed up and the progression to jump from one tier to the next is almost impossible
Ya know what man... I can't even disagree with you. Bc I have even had experiences where people are basically force feeding you weapon schematics, points, and all the good loot. It's kind of insane. But out of the 100 hours I have put into this mode since launch, that has happened MAYBE 10% of the time, and I feel like that is me being generous. And you are right, people are super friendly and that is a bonus.
However, it isn't expected and isn't consistent enough to make it reliable for people who are struggling to get to the end content.
And here is the thing... I don't think everyone should be able to experience the hardest content if they don't invest the time or energy into completing the challenge. But what is going on here isn't a "challenge" it's just bloat.
I wish the co-op phenomenon was more common. It felt like for a bit every game people were rushing to do the Red Worm. But I haven't seen it very much lately.
Its very rare but i one time got a flawless crystal and legendary tool in one game doing teir 2 contracts but that was only one time and ive played long enough to have just about every schematic besides the tombstone and the scorcher schematics
I'm glad I skipped MWIII, I'll wait for Gulf War's beta.
I think a majority of the issues are done purposefully. Just so people are playing 3arc’s game next year.
They're 100% done purposefully. They actually lowered cool downs for perks which I forgot to mention, and that has helped me personally in a big way. But its the other cool weapons they need to make more accessible or rather make ways to make them accessible via rewards/easter eggs etc.
Interesting analysis. About a week ago sent developers feedback on bug page. Weaker players like myself will stop playing. If I spend all my time in zone 1 and still cant make it out of zone 2 why play. Solo I've never lived long or even exfiled in Zone 2. In a random squad maybe 15% of the time I've lived long enough in Zone 2 to get out with some loot but then I lose it all the next game. Maybe they know just when to make the better loot occur more frequently to keep people like myself playing in hopes we buy something? good job 👍
Tombstone glitch is the way to go. Spawn in grab a car and in about 4 min you fully loaded ready for any zombie ;)
I agree. The problem is doing this with the dark aether. I know that there are ways to get by and still do it. But you need a squad.
I don't feel like there is much of a reason to play after you get all the schematics. I mean all im missing is the ather blade and tier 3 pack. i just don't feel like there is anything to keep your retention after that.
yeah pretty much. and its that grind that is meant to retain people. but its so steep. its so off-putting and antithetical to everything they said in 2021.
@@AfterLiveAnalysis In order to get everything, you need to be good at the game as well. you can't really just get dragged through it. So i feel for casual players. they really need to fix that though. Add something like raid bosses, that might get you blueprints for weapons, like dmz's weapon cases. I'm suprised you don't get the tactical negotiator as a blueprint after beating legacy. also A feature I would love to see return from cold war's outbreak is being able to equip blueprints mid game. if I find a better version of my gun on the ground, being able to equip all my attachments is great. also, REMOVE THE TIMER!!!! I hate that timer, it really feels like I have barely anytime to grind to get everything I need to go to the dark ather.
I agree the timer is a problem but I don't think that the timer should be removed. If it is removed then you could just get everything done in one game.
So there needs to be a balance between longer timer, and shorter cool downs. But the problem is both are designed to maximize grindy gameplay loops. So we will probably never get a solution to that outside of the shop.
@@AfterLiveAnalysis rip mwz if they never fix this. I think a good solution to the problem is actualy the storm caller boss. Instead of just giving the player 5k and loot, why not have defeating him increase the lobby time by like 15 minutes. He is the stormcaller after all. This could incentivse players to hunt him down more and keep the matches going. I think it's a great solution.
Wait I've never played mwz, did they really just do that worm boss again????
Three times. Hahaha
I think mwz is really good, its grindy and pretty fun once you understand everything. I have every schematic and almost 200 hours into this game I can say this mode will become really good if they add new maps. I really like how they added in the dark aether, I really missed that in die machine being only accesable for like 2 minutes, now for way longer and there is way more to do. The only problem I see with this gamemode is...what happens when we run out of things to grind, maps to play, eatsre eggs to find. This game is really fun up untill it isnt and that's when you stop adding maps/ stop adding quest/... That's why outbreak sucks, bc once you play it enough there is nothing left to do besides reviewing bundels from the shop. They just need to add roundbasd and you will get a gamemode a lot of people will still enjoy. Make like 3 open world maps and about 2 round based maps, idc if the final map is round based or not just add fun round based maps and ill play them. And maybe if you have to regrind all the schems for everymap would give this mode an even bigger grind. This mode is pure dogshit if you are a casual zombies player that hates grinding, and really fun if you love grinding. Still a good vid tho
MWZ just feel insanely boring to play for me, would much rather just play actual zombies than this which I’ve been doing
MWZ is interesting concept, but loot drops are disappointing and stash is biggest problem. I want to do zone 3 and eather, but prep just puts me off. I liked Cold War Outbreak for simplicity and played it through Vanguard and MWII.
Zombies sucks, I tried to have fun playing it but the constant crashes and glitches and crap loot has made me walk away from cod again. Zombies will make you hate cod for all the reasons that people hate cod in the first place.
Constantly crashing a game that you lose everything that you have to grind makes me want to tell everyone that it’s garbage and to not waste your time on a game that wastes your time.
Reckless speculation on my end, I’m thinking they will upgrade the perk a colas like they did in Cold War to make more of a grind. I would like to see a dead drop system where you can choose to put your points into a specific spot to cool down.
Recklessly Speculate all you want my friend. I’m here for it.
I really want the duping to stop
Can we talk about the uselessness of containment levels? Sure the benefits are almost god tier, but what is the point of the levels when you lose over 1/4 of your progress. 2 bad games andi have to restart almost completely. Anyone else finding zombies overall is getting worse?
If you go into this game with the mindset of "player retention," everything makes sense.
It's all designed to keep you in the game for long periods of time to pad in game player time to impress financial investors.
The thing is... they actually made a good game play loop in the process. So the good gameplay loop feeds into the player retention system by withholding rewards for the player.
The biggest issue here for them, is that they aren't updating the game.
The new mode that came out that is a LTM those maps will be turned into round based maps. But its not your traditional round based mode. You'll see when the time comes.
Is it like Onslaught Onslaught or something?
@@AfterLiveAnalysis It will pretty much be onslaught but you will be going through rounds like a traditional round base experience. There's going to be a wonderfizz machine pack a punch and randomized perks on those maps. The zombies will get harder like they usually do but there's no Easter eggs. Nothing like that. Just cool atmosphere with zombies. There will also be new mechanics and new things in the mode but it will be round based zombies. However it kinda looks like old round based how you start and progress.
I wish they would sell zombies separately so I don’t have to pay all that money to play 1/3 of the game. I haven’t bought mw3 cuz I hate the multiplayer and the zombies looks pretty bad tbh
Oh by far, grind took so long! Especially adding all the crashes to it The only time I actually asked for help was for t5 escort contract and red worm. Although ive done red worm solo, it was hella hard
I haven't beaten red worm yet. But ima tryin
A waste of time its something to do when your bored people baffle me
games are a product. a commodity. they are no longer seen as art (at least by AAA) and that is why so many games aer shit
I'm fine it being both ya know? I want devs to make a living. I really do.
But what ever is happening inside of MWZ is pushing to hard on the anti consumer front for me to be comfortable.
@@AfterLiveAnalysis fair enough
Title is a little misleading in my case, I dropped this broken unfinished terrible game after I got the mastery camos
Wait I thought treyarch didn’t make this at all…. I thought treyarch would be making the next two zombies modes. I was under the impression that this zombies mode in the retro map is activisions Devs. It definitely is pay to play. 😂 cooldowns on insured weapons will have me just backing out completely when I realize I got to wait several hours. Without exploiting the game I would only be able to “enjoy” it one play through every 72 hours. Loot pools are trash. Main issue is the timer and no rounds. Several spots in tier 3 I can camp safely and go finish a load of laundry or walk the dog. Not enough zombies in any zones in my opinion. If I can’t get points per target hit I get it. But fucking 20-40 essense per kill doesn’t make sense when I can’t even get a decent train going (30+ zombies) unless I’m using exploits. Giving out schematics is fun and makes me feel good but not ever having a reason to explore dark aether has lower skill players just asking for handouts in the chat. 😂 I will be quick to admit I think the mode is trash but I will also say I loved it. Grinding for a little over a month and only thing left for me to do is borealis. So the fun is gone. The challenges are complete. I don’t like feeling like there is nothing left to do and everything to do is just a way to kill time. The fun was sucked out when they nerfed all the good shit. 😢 I guess these damn zombies were complaining we are too strong. Well you make us join a map with 24 players on it….. no such thing as solo when other players can unlock the “once a game” items or Easter eggs. Not gonna play squads and risk getting pulled by the squad leader into their bs. if the whole lobby walked around together, this game would probably break. Also everyone who asks me for help with the worms always gets “kicked” or “dev errors” when we bout to go in. Give us more zombies this is easy mode and I don’t mean tougher zombies I mean moreeeeee zombies. Bad enough jug suit won’t do shit some matches and others it’s only ok at best. Yeaaaa if you are new to zombies this mode is for you.
If they want money then make it worth money. I’d buy a zombies only battle pass blackcell style, I’ll buy more skins or content passes on top of it was worth it.
Please hear me out here, I’ve been considering it since launch, the game mode seems more pointless than normal, the whole reward is genuinely just being able to do it again, the same 5 contracts everywhere is boring and I don’t want to be running 350 meters every time just to one shot a mangler and get a green tool, it’s just a grindy way to earn cash and while I still play it, the longevity doesn’t seem there.
£70 I paid, + £30 for black cell pass to just play it and be rewarded with the ability to play it again rather than any kind of bragging rights just feels very business like.
The mode can and probably will end up being fun (towards the end of it’s life cycle like Cold War) and they could avoid it by being more blatant about their want for money - just be up front, tell me you want extra money, in return give me something that hits nostalgia, hasn’t got almost fuck all new content and minimal differences is design from warzone, u less you’re giving it to me for free. In which case let me buy some decent zombies shit to actually enjoy it, I don’t have 5 hours a day to play. I’ve got all the schems aside from 3 perks and even THEN the tombstone glitch is the only way I’m able to be happy with a game knowing I can actually go and enjoy the content that’s there. But even then I’m just going along with my mates because they don’t use any kind do glitches and want to get stuff properly, and not because I absolutely love doing the escort missions or bounties.
The games pissed me off personally, they’re trying to be sneaky with the greed and lead us up to a point where zombies will be free to play (it’s already listed as a separate game on the stats screen - and not a game MODE).
I’m going with what treyarch think is best for now but be nostalgia can only carry you so far 🤷♂️
(sorry for the rant)
I am commenting first and then reading. But always feel free to rant. And I look forward to replying!
Response to Section 1: I could go for a zombies battle pass or whatever. I don't care too much about that stuff, but what I would like are just more consumables or fun things in the game that allow us to experiment and become OP. If they sell this stuff though, there needs to be a way to earn it in game. And putting the "earn rate" behind a "cool down" timer is abhorrent, I hate it.
Response to Section 2: You are 100% correct, the reward for the game is to play the game again. Which as a game dev is the BEST possible thing they could have ever done. So I am proud of Treyarch for that. However, they then turned around and charged the player to get back into the game faster inside of a game that rewards you for playing the game. It is a brilliant business move, but it sucks for us.
Response to Section 3: I actually haven't been able to play very much because of work, and every night I will turn on the game for an hour or something, and I will forget I have a cool down of a wonder weapon or armor plate, etc. and I am just so annoyed and then I don't end up playing because I don't want to sit there and grind 43 games to get to the dark aether. And yeah I go back and forth with the tombstone glitch. I personally think if people want to do it they should. But I just can't ever get things like that to work and it seems pretty tedious to do as well. Which shows that no matter which route you take you are doing something tedious... which then means you might as well do the tombstone glitch.
Response to Section 4: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but I kind of disagree with the framing. I don't think they are being sneaky. I think they are being upfront. They have made a great game mode and they have us by the balls. And there is nothing we can do about it and they know it. When things are going well the in the franchise, they always double down. And Treyarch created a solid ass game mode and they are going to monetize the ever living shit out of it because they can.
But yeah... I guess we shall see... only time will tell.
No need to apologize... rants are ALWAYS welcome.
My biggest problem with this game mode is that it's not engaging to me at all; I could train for fifty rounds on the CCCP platform on Ascension and have a jolly old time but I can't force myself to play more than one game of MWZ.
Don't blame treyarch, Blame InfinityWard they control what comes out of all cods, they're the main reason why MW3 is so unfulfilling.
Infinity Ward is just another studio like treyarch and Sledgehammer. It's Activision.
and its broken and crashes and takes away all your pointless grinding progress when you crash.
The game is designed like a gambling addiction but with twists and turns, and it has never felt more rewarding than now, but tediousness whilst also wasting time isn’t new at all in zombies, its the same with the Origins easter egg and the Kino round 100, you want it but when you have it, what now? People are gonna be making videos like these for years to come and it sickens me because why can’t you just play and game and have fun? Im doing that with mw3 and yes these issue are very true, but i just need something else to play because i love this game
I understand what you're saying, but I am going to push back just a bit.
So, the reason the game is so rewarding is due to the gambling structure. Which is fine... it just gets tedious quickly.
I would also argue that MWZ vs. Round Based runs into a similar problem but not what is mentioned in your comment. I think they both run out of stuff to do eventually, which is fine, I have no issue with that. All live service content is like that. The difference is that MWZ is set up at its core and in its primary gameplay loop to be an uphill grind. It takes so many matches to get set up to do the red worm fight and if you die then you need to spend more time getting set up again since you're schematics are on cool down, so then you need to go to the dark aether but you have to get set up for the dark aether... it takes like 6 hours to start a match with nothing and end up at the red worm.
Round Based Zombies have a completely different game play loop that isn't designed around setting up and repurposing the setup as a reward. The loop is just surviving, getting powerful, and surviving longer. If you want to go to Round 10, you can. If you want to go to Round 100, that's fine too. And then, for Easyer Eggs, they take about an hour or two to complete. And then, on top of all of that, it's all optional.
The content in MWZ is actually not optional if you want all the schematics that are designed to help you skip all the boring setup to get straight into the fun.
It's a brilliantly mischievous system. But that doesn't mean it can't be fun.
And to address the final point, "Why can't you just play games and have fun" - I don't mean this to sound insulting, but that is a very naive way to look at the world. Why can't they make the game less grindy? Why can't they make Round Based instead of MWZ? This anecdotal perspective can just be argued from the other side, which makes it a faulty premise or presumption.
MWZ is fun and can be enjoyable. But it also has exploitable game play mechanics that will likely be used to push microtransactions, which means the game was designed not to be fun but to make money. Which is okay. But it doesn't need to be so skewed that it wastes people's time.
If I want to hop in a game and I use all my good schematics, and I am 30 minutes in a match, almost inside the Dark Aether, and the game crashes... I lose everything. And then I have to start over and grind for hours to get back to where I was - which is also dependent on RNG and server stability. What if I have kids and only have an hour to unwind? What if I have a sick parent to take care of? What if I have expensive internet and can't afford to keep playing? How is that fair to those people?
So since Activision made the game so grind heavy and punishing, those people will likely buy loot in the shop to skip the BS and enjoy their free time.
It's okay and perfectly reasonable to criticize things you love. It's healthy.
Anyway, I enjoyed the convo. Hope you're having a wonderful day 😀.
100% on point
Im still holding out hope they drop a round base map for mw3.
I don't think it's gonna happen bruv
Than they absolutely dropped the bucket for season 2, season 2 is dog shit compared to season one, genuinely horrible
As someone who unlocked Borealis the other day, I’m so burnt out from zombies. The whole acquisition thing and 45 minute timer makes it tough to ever go to Tier 3 and get a lot of farming done. Everyone stays in Tier 1 and fights over contracts so they can pack a punch their weapon and farm an exfil for camos. The camo grind took me 60 hours and I probably have only gone into the medium threat zone 5-10 times. This mode needs to be 3 hours per match, with more contracts and better loot drops. Also needs to REQUIRE a working microphone to be tested for anyone autofilling a random squad.
I want more content in MWZ but it seems like they keep pushing back the end game with the tier 5 dark aether and aether blade rewards and such. I have so many hours in this game but I already find tier 3 to be the highest level of difficulty for me. I want them to be adding more content to do and get in the gameworld thats not locked behind a huge skill wall. I’d love if they doubled the timer in a separate mode or something or even added a map expansion
Definitely needs a longer timer. That could give players a chance to get fully set up in tier 2 and then go have fun in tier 3 and get used to the difficulty for longer periods of time.
not gonna lie i dont think ill ever play this again i played it during the free time during christmas and not gonna lie i was hanging in teir 1 when i was shot to death by some guy i didnt see lasering me not the zombies and i think thats the same issue i have with vanguard no zombie or zombie game should have someone that can burn through your armor and kill you just like that everytime i see gameplay for this game i think its super cool and that i really wish i could play this but the fact its not at all single player friendly mixed with a huge price tag behind what is essentially the zombies DLC from advanced warfare the way they just throw it in and then when i do get to try it free of charge i get shot by something that wasnt even a zombie in my zombies mode this game just isnt good you guys can keep sucking the copium pipe but i dont think i will ever spend this much money to play a bad zombies mode and filler campaign more power to the people who like it but this just isnt good zombies content glad i saved my money here
Wait wait wait. Player exploitation? They arent even charging for anything yet.
The exploitation is data mining and player behavior. This backside user exploitation is/was very prevalent in DMZ.
Also, you said it. Those yt crying about having to dup to be able to play are sweating to be first to make content - one must realize that 99.9999 players arent in that sweat fest so having to get and play with tier 2 gear isnt as big a deal.
You make several references to having to play multiple matches just to have gear to enter the dark aether but all can be done in one maybe two matches with even a contraband weapon.
You use the term abuse when describing players who use tombstone to keep and grow essence from one match to another, but Id argue thats a design feature of the perk that a adds a dimension to the game. Unless the devs come out and state otherwise - and in fact its actually there in the challenges that its a design feature - I'd say using the term "abuse" is incorrect.
Its very 2 dimensional to think tombstone is merely there as a fail safe to cover your untimely defeat so that you can recover whatever left over gear u didn't happen to use in your unsuccessful boss fight or whatever it was you were doing
Everyone agrees cooldowns are ridiculous and it seems, like the rest of the mode, a design feature intended to prolong the shelf life of the mode. I said it from the early act missions and later cool downs confirmed it. S1 added a shortcut, and players using "exploits" and abusing TS to dup and save schems for friends somewhat helped playability. The fact that devs havent removed TS despite all the duping means that engagement is up across the board for the mode. So to one of your solutions, its already a thing, or rather, its a non issue, at least at this time. A non issue requires no solution.
Cool downs are ridiculous, but again, I dont think the idea was to offer pay to play incentives but to prolong the game giving them time to make more content - that they can sell.
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Straight facts right here!.. and homosexual, too. 😂 Jk
Well made video bro
fantastic video as always man! and ur right they are letting these p2w stuff just ruin an otherwise good game mode. I kinda also feel like we cant really expect much from MWZ I have all my hope in 2024 and what two years of being lead by 3arch will give us. I miss round based so much
There are some things in MWZ that make me think round based is a bit slow at times. But I think the rampage inducer fixes a lot of that boring setup feel.
I'm not exactly sure what innovations need to be in round based yet. But I hope whatever they do, they don't throw it away it's much better than MWZ and won't ever replace the excitement and mystery those maps have to explore.
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Your uploads are always so well paced, edited, and narrated. Excellent work Skeptix 💯
I do it for you, Ethan. I do it for you
Tombstone Glitch bruh. The Zombies Community are out here helping folks every game. If Treyarch and SHG cant get it right then we will, if it takes them awhile to get there, we'll be right here helping everybody out as much as possible
Ok then lets make them to the tier 1 mission let You get every item in a stack +100 so everyone is overpowered what about that 💀💀💀💀💀💀 so no one need to grind because uff is a medieval torture
I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say. Do you mind elaborating or stating it in another way?
@@AfterLiveAnalysis the coment didin't update srry
Mw3 zombies is trash