I wanted to mention this. I took a closer look, loaded the two dummy rounds with 4 empty cases, and the issue is just as bad, if not worse than it was before. Not only does the cylinder not rotate, but the cylinder will now often rotate clockwise (backwards) a full two chambers. I had just cleaned it really well before this happened worse, so obviously only the grime from them test firing it was the only thing holding it together.
They should have replaced the gun after the second trip in. Hand and pawl are really the same thing, technically they replaced about everything they could. I think the gun frame is out of spec. My guess is the gun parts are okay but the frame is out of spec. You can replace parts all day but if they're not reaching where they should it won't matter. It's only micro measurements off with a revolver. And a cylinder that does not advance properly can lead to catastrophe. *Amend this video with the current failure for the public record and send it back in*. I was really hoping Taurus had got their crap together. I think their quality as profound as it sounds has improved albeit it is a budget gun and there will clearly be more bad samples, then higher end brands. With that being said the life time warranty is there to make up for the inherent QC of budget level manufacturing. If you cannot get your revolver repaired and it is obvious, publicly documented they don't seem to care, it is 0 value equation. They have effectively negated the value added to the warranty. This will effect their sales. I have six Taurus revolvers that may just have to go. I recently passed over a Rossi R92 due to this fiasco. I want to mention something that happened on my end. My shooting partner was shooting a high caliber revolver and a round detonated in the cylinder. It was a factory load. The cylinder blew apart it ripped the top strap in half towards the rear site and the cylinder segmented into three equal parts seemingly around the ejector and blew out injuring my friend. Thank God not in the head. There is a good chance it was an overcharged round. There is also a good chance the metallurgy was weak. The steel was obviously visibly of poor casting. This was not investment casting btw so not a Ruger. Be careful out there folks. This was no joke.
From infuriatingly personal experience, your best bet is to have a good gunsmith work on it and to forget about Taurus ever getting it right (or outright demand a new gun). In the 12 years since my first new Taurus purchase (4 models in total) I've never once had Taurus & Co fix anything of theirs I've sent in for warranty work, ever. Not all of their guns are total junk, but when they're in need of work right out of the gate, forget about Taurus fixing it right. Your mileage may vary, but after the 3rd model I've had to send into the revolving Taurus merry-dont-go-round pit of customer despair, 1) I stopped buying their guns new and 2) Started taking the ones I had to a local gunsmith here in Tx when they broke. And he got them to run pretty much dead nuts reliable, as reliable as a Taurus can be anyway. They're never going to be a Ruger GP100 or a S&W Model 13, but they don't have to be this bad right out of the box either.
You didn't learn after your trouble with the Model 94? You still went and bought another Taurus? I learned my lesson after buying a Taurus revolver back in 1990. NEVER AGAIN!! Hopefully you will have learned your lesson, even though it took two guns instead of one. If you want a good revolver, buy a Ruger, Colt, or my personal favorite, S&W. If you want a GREAT revolver, buy a Korth or a Manurhin.
@@rbm6184 sadly you're right. I bought a Ruger LCR chambered in 22lr a while back and it would only fire about half of the cylinder's ammunition no matter which ammunition I tried. Most of their guns are great. All of my other Ruger LCRs are just fine but no company is perfect.
The issue is that there is minimal engagement between the cylinder ratchet and the hand, and when it's in just the right spot, the hand fails to engage the ratchet. I've seen them this way straight out of the box. Their ratchets look like they've been cut by an impatient caveman that got his hands on a Dremel. After sending my wife's m380 back 3 times for the same issue, and them failing to replace the necessary parts, instead opting to try to shim the existing ones, I solved the issue myself by buying her a Ruger LCR 327
I had a charter arms with a hand/ratchet issue. The hand would lock up funny inside and freeze the whole mechanism. It could’ve been partially my fault since I was cleaning it with brake cleaner and de-lubed it not knowing any better. Fitment seemed so tight or surface finish grabbed in a was that with lube it would work but as it fouled up or lost lube it was done. I lubed it up and traded it in.
Although I wish you the best of luck with your revolver, I’ve never understood why anyone would buy a Taurus given their piss-poor reputation of QC. I’d sooner spend a few more bucks and buy a S&W, especially a pre-lock Smith. Good video👍🏻
Thanks. For me personally I do carry Ruger and S&W and use them for home defense etc. For "me" as in the real me, I would not buy a Taurus. But for "Gun Sam" I needed to get a few because people buy them, carry them etc, so I need to know what they are really dealing with.
The reason I was considering it was that it seemed like they had improved their game in recent years but this is just completely unacceptable. I wonder if it is a design flaw with this particular model as the 605s have seemed to have a pretty good reputation. I was interested in this model the .22s and the TH but I just have no confidence anymore. I won't be able to afford S&W or Ruger for quite a while but I am looking more at Bersa for autos and RIA and EAA for revolvers as well as used H&R. It is sad that it is so difficult to find decent new revolvers for an affordable price.
@@GunSam ah now I understand why you have a Taurus in the first place. All this time I’ve been thinking man this guy is so knowledgeable about firearms but why does he have a Taurus? Now I know.
I have a 605 defender and have put 300-400 rounds through it. 130gr fmj, 158 lrn, 90 ftx, and 357 125 ftx and some other 357 loads. It runs like a top.
Your videos, along with those from other channels, have made my decision to avoid Taurus like the plague an easy one. There are way too many choices out there to waste time with a company that can't get it right.
Looking forward to you taking the revolver to the range for real world testing. I guess two lessons can come from this. 1 - Have all 6 cylinders occupied in your Taurus revolver. 2 - Don't buy a Taurus revolver.
Sorry to see this. I'm glad I bought a used ruger security six SS version over a Taurus for about same price. I think spec are almost identical, but internals and smithmanship really made the whole difference. Imagine this ruger was made 30 years ago but still runs like a champ.
Yeah Jacob, I had the opportunity to snatch up a 1980’s vintage Security-Six Stainless 6” a few years ago for $400. I’m glad I jumped on the deal. The same guy had a 1920’s vintage Colt Army Special .38 5” for the same price…. Scooped up that one as well😀
I will never own a Taurus firearm, because I have heard nightmare stories while working at a Military Base gun counter. My 3 S&W and 1 Ruger revolvers have never had any issues what so ever. Knock on wood! Hope this is the last time you have to send that Taurus back to them. You have a very popular You Tube channel and are open an honest in your videos. Let's hope Taurus takes heed of that fact and improves their game.
Sorry to see this. The Taurus gunsmith SHOULD have gone through the revolver with a fine toothed comb after you sent the video. New bolt stop - acceptable. New bolt stop spring - good. New hand - good. But you just showed the problem still exists. That tells me the gunsmith fired the parts cannon without trying to actually diagnose. The problem is that the hand is failing to move forward far enough and intermittently causing a failure to rotate. The cause is either a weak hand spring (unlikely but possible), or a burr in the channel cutout for the hand (much more likely), or a too shallow cutout for the hand (unlikely but possible). If it wouldn't void your warranty, I'd suggest that you stone, hone, deburr the hand cutout before doing anything else. You could replace the hand spring with a slightly stronger one as part of that process, but the honing of the channel is the most important part of the process.
Sorry you're going through this . Thanks for sharing this information you have been very fair . NO Taurus for me . Ruger act's like I did them a favor when they fixed my single six and it it's old and still sweet .
I wasn't really wanting to take a chance with a Taurus revolver, but that kills any interest. I might hate not being able to afford a Smith 686, but I'd hate to throw away hundreds on a junk I couldn't trust when I need it. Well that and the terrible repairs. I don't consider that revolver repaired. Thanks for sharing this info.
I bought a PT-22 a while back. It jammed ever clip. Sent it back they fixed it. I was at a Pawn shop and saw a nice H&R 732 32 long. Traded that piece of crap in. Lost my butt. I now have a pistol I can count on. No more Taurus for me.
I am having the exact same problem with my 856 3 inch. Sent back to Taurus repair. They replaced the cylinder. However dry firing with very slight finger pressure to the side of cylinder replicates the same issue as before. The cylinder still wants to not engage with the hand and wants to rotate backward or at least not move the cylinder into the firing position and lock up. Taking to the range to test fire soon. Of note, I have had zero problems with my 605 3 inch. Mechanically appears to be the same as the 856 just 5 shots and stronger for the .357 rounds. So from a design engineering point I can’t understand why this is happening with a lot of the 856s. Thanks for your video. Keep ‘em coming.
Taurus has not responded back to me again. I have sent email after email since the day I made this video, nothing. If they just put a longer hand in it, it would fix the issue. But they don't, they just do stupid repairs, waste my time then ignore me.
I been waiting too lol, checking email like when is it coming back. At some point we turn into crazy cat ladies with our guns, got too many but if one is missing....
@@GunSam I was that way when my 617 went back to smith to get the frame replaced... Waited about 7 weeks, but it is a new gun effectively, and still warrantied.
@@crankygunreviews I never mentioned to my subs, but my Governor is with S&W now. The spring that makes the ejector return into the cylinder somehow came out while I was cleaning the gun with the cylinder off. Not really catastrophic as I could still shoot it and manually push the ejector/extractor star back in if I had to. I am curious on the speed I get it back. Taurus total time out is now at a month.
@@GunSam Dang that stinks about your Governor. Mine has been a fun gun and a pleasure to shoot. I mostly shoot .410 out of it, and it packs a punch! The 45 colt was a pussy cat to me after shooting some 1800 fps slugs out of it! I also am finally getting set up to reload 38 special. My buddy is selling me a press, tumbler, lots of brass, case trimmer, bullets, and a couple pounds of powder for $175, and I just need to get the dies for 38 special. I also picked up about 650 cast bullets, some plated HP bullets, and about 350 brass from my sportsmans club as well. I may be picking your brain soon... I'm super happy to reload 38 special, I shoot it a lot. My favorite caliber
Lifetime warranties seem like they don't mean much when you can't get what ya paid for fixed. I've had a very similar scenario play out with a Ruger LCR. Third time I've sent it back, although this time through a gunsmithing service, hopin' just to get a brand new one this time. Ironically my Taurus 856 is holdin' up just fine.
S&W was shipping revolvers with wanted barrels a few years back in 2010-15. You could see them very clearly. They avoided fixing them saying they were in spec. Eventually they conceded after RUclipsrs reported them. This is where you are. You need to post your videos in Forums, Facebook, etc. They do monitor their presence on social media. If nothing else somebody will avoid your frustration. I really want to like Taurus. It seems impossible that they missed this. Send it back.
What's really on trial is their customer service. All companies can produce something not right albeit Taurus at a higher rate, but the company arguing with me, blaming me and stating they fixed things that they never fixed is an issue. Wouldn't have been a big deal if they fixed it, but no they just keep wasting my time.
First.. sad to hear that the problem is not fully fixed. Second. It must be something wrong with tolerance, or design of the gun. And problem may grow latter. And third.. I love this chanel ✌️
I have had decent luck with Taurus, but I have come to the conclusion that I do not want to mess with budget guns anymore in my life. It has been a great decision. Good luck my friend.
It almost looks like the hand isn’t long enough to engage the cylinder star. I’ve owned several Taurus revolvers over the years and have had very good luck with them. Not looking to good for Taurus.
I had the same problem with my new 856 (purchased about 1 month ago). Long story short, I replaced the cylinder stop myself with one from a model 85 Taurus and it seems to be cured, the original stop was unlocking too soon, the replacement delays the unlocking just enough.
I had a Taurus .357 snub about 15 years ago that had really bad cylinder bind, I sent it to Taurus, got it back around 5 months later with the issue still present. Have not, nor will I ever purchase another Taurus revolver.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I bought the Tungsten Cerakote a few months back it has been flawless. Timing and cylinder lockup is ver good, as is the barrel/cylinder gap. Guess it depends which line it goes down and when.
I have the tungsten cerekote one as well and I have loved it so much I EDC it. That is really too bad that QC still isn't quite fixed there. And I was really looking at that new executive line 856 too. To bad.
I’m sorry that you are having issues with your 856. I tried dry firing my 856UL doa while putting plenty of drag on the cylinder with my thumb and had no issues.
It probably would rotate single action mode. I have a friend that has said that he would not have a Taurus revolver. Maybe he was on to something.. I never saw this problem in Taurus revolvers made during the 1990’s .
It’s frustrating to keep sending your gun back for repairs. I had to send my Taurus TX22 back twice before it now seems to be fixed right. I have a variety of guns by different manufacturers but the Taurus TX22 is probably my favorite. The low recoil and comfort is fantastic, hopefully I now have reliability.
I am willing to bet the cylinder will still get hung up once you put a few cylinders worth of ammo down range and that cylinder and frame starts to heat up and get dirty.
I had a smith and Wesson model 642 doing the same and I scored the star, cylinder, yoke, and cylinder stop before sending it back. When I got the gun back it had a new cylinder stop, star, and yoke. Worked for me before it’s worked flawlessly since warranty work.
I had a Taurus PT-22 pocket pistol that would send its slide flying off while shooting. The second time I sent it back I got a totally different pistol back from the factory!! I just took it to my LGD and traded it in. This dubious practice seems to be a habit!
Either the hand spring assembly/pivot is not fully operational or, more likely (since the hand assembly is supposedly replaced), the hand window in the frame is improper. Either of these would give the limited hand to cylinder star engagement seen here. One would think that a factory-service certified gunsmith could have sorted this out by now......🤔
No problems with my 856 UL, but then I've only put about 12 rounds through it. I haven't fired my 692 yet. I'm glad i have the Charter mag pug and the Security Six.
It's a machine, it is designed to function a specific way. People who are crying about what you're doing don't understand how the machine is supposed to function. That cylinder should rotate reliably, no matter what the cylinder stop is doing, no matter where the bullet weight is, no matter what sort of resistance (or drag) is on the cylinder. I can think of several scenarios where using a revolver would induce that lack of rotation and it's potentially life-threatening if you're trusting this device to protect your life. The ratchet arm doesn't seem to be engaging and rotating that cylinder properly under certain conditions. That seems like a separate issue that may, or may not be related to the cylinder stop function.
Sorry for your luck man. I love my 856.😢 It just makes me really mad at Taurus. Maybe if you were Hop@TFL they would just send u a brand new gun and be done with it… Sadly, it’s all about the views man… Keep your head up and keep posting!
My ruger lcp2 22lr is at Ruger for the second time in a month for a broken trigger. Came back first time still broken. All manufacturers have quality control and service issues. My Taurus 85 has been great.
I just got mine back for the 3rd time as well. I had problems with light primer strikes. The first time they said they replaced the hammer spring. Lol, I just did that before I sent it in. They were Wolff springs and although the new springs lightened the trigger, the problem was still there. The second time Taurus sent it back, they "adjusted the cylinder axis" which is a fancy way of saying they whacked the cylinder with a special hammer. Now, this third time, they replaced the firing pin and "hand". I still don't know what the hand is yet so I guess I need to do some research. I will take it to the range with a 32 Long revolver I found in my Dad's gun safe when he passed away a couple of years ago. He was a true gunsmith and I wish I would have spent more time learning but we all think there will be time until there's not. I will comment back with some range results. I really wanted to like Taurus.. ..
I used to be married to a inanimate object that wouldn’t work, I’m better now. I hope you can divorce yourself of your problem. Thanks for sharing/reinforcing the popular opinion on Toreus. Regards from New Washington
I have a Taurus PT1911 that's been back three times because it won't run a full magazine without a failure-to-feed stoppage, even with McCormick magazines. My regular gunsmith refuses to let me waste money on it.
Hi Sam - I hate you got a lemon and on top of it inexperienced Taurus gunsmiths. My suggestion is to take it to a gunsmith who specializes in revolvers who can tell you exactly what is wrong. So far I've had good luck with the Taurus all steel snubs. Not so good of luck with their Polyprotector. On the other hand QC is not what it should be with any manufacturer these days. I looked at a Colt King Cobra a couple of months back and I couldn't get the cylinder to unlatch. I suggested to the FFL that he try oiling it up. He did and we finally got it unlatched but the back of the frame where the cylinder locks into place was jagged and ragged, with worse milling than any older Rossi or Charter Arms I'd ever seen. And this was an $839 gun. No sale that day.
Man sad, sad deal. I've got over a dozen S&W revolvers, one Colt and one Ruger all have been flawless. I had a buddy that had a Taurus revolver in the 90's that was a great paperweight. I heard they got much better, they must have 3rd graders doing their repairs.
Glad you got your 856 semi fixed. I know you carry other brands. For testing purposes it will do. I know 3 in barrel revolvers are hard to come by now a days. It's disappointing that their fix is limiting your selective ammo purposes in testing. Thanks for the update Sam.🎩🎱♠️🎯🏁🇺🇦🌻🌼🌸💮☘️🔫
If I had to guess, the cylinder needs replacing. It appears that the pawl is bad on on that cylinder. My advice is to trade that revolver for a Ruger SP101 in 38 +p.The extra cost is well worth it. I've shot Rugers for around 45 years and I've never seen a bad revolver from them. That's why I'll always be a die hard Ruger man.
I know what you're saying, but that's not really advice in what I do. I have owned an SP101 before. The point of the Taurus is to own a Taurus and see how they do. Your advice is good for other people though.
From infuriatingly personal experience, your best bet is to have a good gunsmith work on it and to forget about Taurus ever getting it right (or outright demand a new gun). In the 12 years since my first new Taurus purchase (4 models in total) I've never once had Taurus & Co fix anything of theirs I've sent in for warranty work, ever. Not all of their guns are total junk, but when they're in need of work right out of the gate, forget about Taurus fixing it right. Your mileage may vary, but after the 3rd model I've had to send into the revolving Taurus merry-dont-go-round pit of customer despair, 1) I stopped buying their guns new and 2) Started taking the ones I had to a local gunsmith here in Tx when they broke. And he got them to run pretty much dead nuts reliable, as reliable as a Taurus can be anyway. They're never going to be a Ruger GP100 or a S&W Model 13, but they don't have to be this bad right out of the box either.
My Taurus 856 bought late April 2024. I bought the stainless one and paid 303 for it. The black one was roughly $20 less. I am lucky short drive to Rural King or Sportmans Warehouse. The PRICE? I think of what I think is called LANDED COST. Mail Order I need to pay like $30 FFL fee and $20 shipping-so plus $50 to the price quoted. My pistol is marked Bainbridge Georgia. It does not say made in USA. Having worked in a machine shop, MANY MANY MANY years ago-summer job. Tools do wear. I do wonder about different quality tied to serial number o a gun.
I would only use that for plinking. I would never trust it in a life or death situation. At this point, I would order repair parts for a S&W in the same chassis size and attempt to rebuild it myself after another failure.
Hey Sam, well after Taurus came out with the g2c/g3c I thought their bad old days might be over. Seems I was WRONG! Sam YOU should contact the CEO of Taurus about this! They are causing HUGE damage to their image and subsequent sales!
hey sam, i have two 856s one 2 inch and one 3 inch, one is 6 months and the other is 3, have sent both back, twice thats two times for each ,for the same problem as you have. they did not fix either one. cs made it sound like i was doing something wrong. i gave up out of total frustration....im out over $900.00 will never buy another or recommend a taurus to anyone. good luck with yours. cant sell them or trust them enough to use them. i also bought a ruger lcrx 327
@@GunSam both of mine were used as edc, i would be afraid if i traded them and someone used them the same way that they might get hurt or worse, so i just decided bite the bullet, so to speak, and keep them. i put the 2 inch on a shelf in the garage just in case i need it in an emergency and the 3 inch, like yours, ill keep for plinking at the range. it just pisses me off that a company doesn't care enough to correct this problem knowing these are used as edc. thanks for your good work with this. i enjoy your channel....
I haven't had any problems with my 2" 856. Pull the trigger and it goes bang, although low and right but that's a fixed sight revolver for you. I wonder if it's a 3" issue?
@@rangefinderz5135 Actually no worse than the S&W's I tried. Very few have a decent trigger out of the box anymore and need a little polishing. I put a Galloway kit in mine but just the polish made a huge difference.
Man I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time with that revolver. Seems like it’s a design flaw from the ground up. Like if the manufacturer can’t make it work after 3 tries what will? Definitely wouldn’t rely on that one for personal defense. What are your thoughts on Taurus in general?
I bought a Taurus 905 many years ago. Had a worse problem with timing out of the box ( I ordered it). Sent it back for repairs and several months later got it back in the same exact condition. Taurus didn't find a problem. Back then we didn't have internet so I didn't record it. Also I had to pay for shipping for the repairs. That's just ****.
You're the second person lately who has returned an 856 multiple times and still not working. My takeaway is stay away from Taurus. It is not worth the "savings". I paid $450 for a used ex police S&W model 10 2" RB that was built in 1980 and still as reliable as day one. Worth a little extra money to avoid stuff like this. Thanks for your reviews.
I sent in a S&W recently. I have owned about a dozen, this is the first one ever. And all it was is that the extractor/ejector return spring came out and I didn't know how to put it back in.
@@GunSam Yeah, I had a 642 that developed light strikes after 4 years and S&W would not replace it as they said it was not repairable and called it "normal wear and tear" so that left me without a gun to trade in or sell. People tell me I just got a bad service rep but, it soured me on any new S&W products. I still love their older stuff but, for brand new revolvers I am sticking to Ruger just because their CS has been fantastic over the 50 years I have been shooting their guns. Although I have personally only used them twice for minor issues and they replaced no questions asked.
Had some full power .357 hand loads destroy the timing on my dads on his 7-shot revolver. I tried to warn him it was too hot for his gun. He just did not wanna hear Rugers are tanks and are among the strongest revolvers. Which I proudly own.
I've been looking for a two-cylinder Model 692 for about three years now. After seeing your problem with other Taurus revolvers, I think I can finally stop looking...
Bought my first gun ever yesterday! Taurus 856. The bullets are scratching against the back because the spacing is too tight. Won't rotate because of that. Absolutely wild.. took me forever to decide to finally own a gun and the one I buy has problems right off the bat. Thanks for your video. Looks like I'll be going to a gunsmith.
Luckily with that problem, there's only a little removing of metal in key places, should be easy. Taurus finally told me the frame is out of spec and they are replacing it. Sent it in September 11th, just heard from them and it can be 8 weeks to receive the replacement. Bought the thing in March, now November and have had it in my possession for 1 month total during that time.
@@GunSam As much as Taurus is trying to get things right, they are still hit or miss on out of the box quality. Your further experience shared publicly (thank you) on warranty service has pushed any further notions of the Executive Grade from my thoughts. The final analysis for me is Taurus is a budget gun company that builds budget guns. You might get a good one, but if you get a poor one, the time and effort to get it fixed just isn't worth it. I'd rather pay the higher price of a Ruger and KNOW they will fix it quickly if it has a problem. If Ruger were to fill the gap between the SP101 and GP100 in a 3" K-frame size they'd probably see tremendous sales.
Seeing the failings of your gun made me a little nervous about my Defender. While I can free spin the cylinder after very little trigger travel, it does work properly. Tried it with two 158 grain bullets and it worked as it should. Taurus should replace your revolver, no question. Anyway, I really enjoy your videos. I've always loved revolvers.
Sir every gun maker have some problems. I have the 605 defender 357mag/38 3"barrel I brought it over a year ago no problems. I just bought the 856 UL DEFENDER 3"BARREL GLOW FRONT SITES. THREE MONTHS AGO BROTHER EVERYTHING IS SWEET 👍🏿👍🏿
I have owned about a dozen S&W revolvers and a half dozen Ruger revolvers and not a single one has had any problem of any kind. I have owned four Taurus revolvers and EVERY SINGLE ONE has had a significant problem. So you're not convincing me of anything.
Had similar problem, the third time back they "fixed" with new cylinder. Now problem is barrel and cylinder don't line up very well. With Taurus you get a good one or a bad one. They don't have time or motivation to ever make it right after you bought it.
Not quite right but it appears that fully loading the cylinder is key to make it reliable in function. Try firing it for 100 rounds using full cylinder loading to see if it works and to fully seat all the parts work Taurus did to it.
@@GunSam I do not know why they cannot fix correctly what they make. Never owned a Taurus revolver. The Raging Hunter interests me in 460 S&W magnum but not as much as if S&W might do it one better with a scandium infused aluminum barrel shroud versus the Taurus plain grade aluminum barrel shroud.
If you’ve followed Taurus offerings long enough you know there has always been the nay sayers out there looking for any opportunity to complain about about their quality. In fairness to them they’ve made a lot of great guns. In my own collection I have a Model 85, a Model 617, and a PT92 that I’ve owned for around 20 years or longer. I’ve actually had the M85 since 1995. The ones I actually own have always been extremely reliable. When your situation pops up I’d have to say shame on Taurus for not making more of an effort to make sure they got it right. Your channel probably gives Taurus products more global visibility then any other media outlet. For them to take such a “business as usual” approach to resolving this problem is a reflection on them as a company. To me the measure of a company’s value is what they do to correct issues experienced by their customers. Every company can produce a lemon; it’s how they correct the issues that earn people’s loyalty.
I’ve had a M85 as well probably about as long as you’ve had yours with no problems. Also have a G2 that is a good gun as well. I know Taurus has had issues so maybe I’ve been fortunate with mine. I’d probably buy another of their products for the right price.
@@peternorton5648 The funny part to me is this particular customer can get them a lot of bad press so to speak. Interesting note on my PT92. It is more accurate in my hands then any of my Beretta collection and it has a better trigger. But new out of the box the front sight was only half painted in. I had to add some white paint to complete the sight picture…but it is a hell of a shooter. My M617 has better lockup them my S&W M627 from the Performance Center. Funny….
You mentioned a Model 94 that you had issues with. I've had my Taurus Model 94 for 19 years and 8 days. The only problem I've ever had with it is that under certain very specific circumstances, it becomes almost impossible to shoot double action. One of those circumstances was crappy ammo with rims that were too thick, and they would cause the cylinder to bind. The other circumstance is that even with good ammo, once the gun gets dirty (which doesn't take very long), the double action gets tough to use. Clean the gun, the problem goes away.
I had three in a row, that after 500 rounds the transfer bars would snap right off. Mine was made around 2009 so there's a possible change in material or quality.
I was contemplating purchasing a Taurus Model 327. After watching your entire video and listening to your story now I am not so sure. I would say you get what you pay for, and that is true to a degree, but you hear about stuff like this with all kinds of different brands , Colt comes to mind.
HAHA, my Dad bought one of these a few months ago. Yep he saw the issues and sold it quickly. I had to laugh because he said he got a "good deal" on it. That's why he bought it. I told him to stick to a Ruger or a S&W. yep, a bit more. But a bit more gun and grantee!!
That's funny, I had probs with a Taurus 94 way back in the '90s, namely the barrel came loose and rotated out a bit. I sent it in, and rather than fix it they sent me a new one. Cheaper for them, I spoze. Worked out cuz then I got to sell a brand new gun instead of a used one. If you want to fix this yourself instead of sending it back to the factory parts-changers, try peening the hand, a.k.a. pounding it flat-side on an anvil at the end that engages the cylinder, to extend it a skosh. Believe or not, that's been an established method for Smiths since the olden days. I've used it on both a Model 28 and a Victory model.
This made me go check my revolvers to see if mine are doing this, I can put enough pressure on the cylinder that makes trigger pull hard and the cylinder rotate to each chamber. The only problem with this is mine are all Rugers. Double action operation is the same no matter who makes the revolver.
hi, to you !!! i think that your issues you can fix by an handhome job, the first one the hand, change its front inner profile make it better concave such that it move a bit forward, second on the cylinderstop modified its inner upper profile before the notch and remove a bit of metal but non on the crest of cylinder notch, and then modified the little window from it protrude make its tick more thinnest, such that the cylinder notch can proptrude better a bit out the receiver, and at last cut a little bit of metal from the down teeth of the chamber that don't wheel ... !!! i with this homemade jobs fix many same issues ... 👋
I watched a video, a few months ago, on the TX-22. That guy Paul said between He and his crew they had over 100 handguns but not one Taurus. They were going to keep the gun. Apparently they hadn't experienced the barrel issues. YET. I have yet to experience a issue with all of my Taurus guns. But I have never owned one either.
Somebody needs to befriend a gunsmith... I remember Nutn fancy have his gunsmith hand work a S&W snubbie to perfection. Stoning(polishing) internals with the right knowledge to remove burrs has been mentioned in the comments. I am afraid the repair personal at Taurus are not true gunsmiths, just everyday assemblers handed the gun to replace a few parts...
I'm glad u got the 605 and not the 856 then! What are your thoughts on the tracker 627 (4") I think I've decided that's what I want next. Lighter than the ruger and s&w but has ports. Looking for a woods 357.
Seen to many issues with Taurus , sucks you spent your money and can not get someone who actually knows how to fix a gun. Their price is alluring to many on a budget but if possible I tell folks to just wait and save a bit more for a Ruger or Smith. Yes they may still have a rare issue but these two companies will make it right the first time. Good Luck Sam!
I'm not knocking Taurus at all, I had a 92 that was flawless, but of the two revolvers I've had ,one had the same issue you're having and the other the crane was twisting during recoil and jamming it up. I no longer have any. I wanted to get the raging judge, but I think I'm gonna get a Smith guvnah or bigger.
still a weird issue- like the cylinder stop disengages, and the cylinder ratchet hand doesn't engage enough to turn the cylinder... I guess we'll see how it work in real world shooting.
That's my hope. Once in awhile the problems are not enough to matter, despite technically being a problem. My daughter's car clicks when she turns once in awhile, but we can't find any real issue that prevents her from getting to work.
Did you check the teeth on the back of the extracter/cylinder were the hand pushes for damage looks like the hand is slipping off May be you could shim the cylinder back towards breech face
I wanted to mention this. I took a closer look, loaded the two dummy rounds with 4 empty cases, and the issue is just as bad, if not worse than it was before. Not only does the cylinder not rotate, but the cylinder will now often rotate clockwise (backwards) a full two chambers. I had just cleaned it really well before this happened worse, so obviously only the grime from them test firing it was the only thing holding it together.
Sounds like the pawl is bad. A new hand won't fix a bad pawl.
I guess good help is hard to find these days. Perhaps their gun smiths should all be sent to SDI.
They should have replaced the gun after the second trip in. Hand and pawl are really the same thing, technically they replaced about everything they could. I think the gun frame is out of spec. My guess is the gun parts are okay but the frame is out of spec. You can replace parts all day but if they're not reaching where they should it won't matter. It's only micro measurements off with a revolver. And a cylinder that does not advance properly can lead to catastrophe. *Amend this video with the current failure for the public record and send it back in*. I was really hoping Taurus had got their crap together. I think their quality as profound as it sounds has improved albeit it is a budget gun and there will clearly be more bad samples, then higher end brands. With that being said the life time warranty is there to make up for the inherent QC of budget level manufacturing. If you cannot get your revolver repaired and it is obvious, publicly documented they don't seem to care, it is 0 value equation. They have effectively negated the value added to the warranty. This will effect their sales. I have six Taurus revolvers that may just have to go. I recently passed over a Rossi R92 due to this fiasco.
I want to mention something that happened on my end.
My shooting partner was shooting a high caliber revolver and a round detonated in the cylinder. It was a factory load. The cylinder blew apart it ripped the top strap in half towards the rear site and the cylinder segmented into three equal parts seemingly around the ejector and blew out injuring my friend. Thank God not in the head. There is a good chance it was an overcharged round. There is also a good chance the metallurgy was weak. The steel was obviously visibly of poor casting. This was not investment casting btw so not a Ruger. Be careful out there folks. This was no joke.
From infuriatingly personal experience, your best bet is to have a good gunsmith work on it and to forget about Taurus ever getting it right (or outright demand a new gun). In the 12 years since my first new Taurus purchase (4 models in total) I've never once had Taurus & Co fix anything of theirs I've sent in for warranty work, ever. Not all of their guns are total junk, but when they're in need of work right out of the gate, forget about Taurus fixing it right. Your mileage may vary, but after the 3rd model I've had to send into the revolving Taurus merry-dont-go-round pit of customer despair, 1) I stopped buying their guns new and 2) Started taking the ones I had to a local gunsmith here in Tx when they broke. And he got them to run pretty much dead nuts reliable, as reliable as a Taurus can be anyway. They're never going to be a Ruger GP100 or a S&W Model 13, but they don't have to be this bad right out of the box either.
You didn't learn after your trouble with the Model 94? You still went and bought another Taurus? I learned my lesson after buying a Taurus revolver back in 1990. NEVER AGAIN!! Hopefully you will have learned your lesson, even though it took two guns instead of one. If you want a good revolver, buy a Ruger, Colt, or my personal favorite, S&W. If you want a GREAT revolver, buy a Korth or a Manurhin.
I thought Taurus had improved their QC but apparently not so much. Thanks for keeping everyone informed.
@@rbm6184 sadly you're right. I bought a Ruger LCR chambered in 22lr a while back and it would only fire about half of the cylinder's ammunition no matter which ammunition I tried. Most of their guns are great. All of my other Ruger LCRs are just fine but no company is perfect.
The issue is that there is minimal engagement between the cylinder ratchet and the hand, and when it's in just the right spot, the hand fails to engage the ratchet. I've seen them this way straight out of the box. Their ratchets look like they've been cut by an impatient caveman that got his hands on a Dremel. After sending my wife's m380 back 3 times for the same issue, and them failing to replace the necessary parts, instead opting to try to shim the existing ones, I solved the issue myself by buying her a Ruger LCR 327
I had a charter arms with a hand/ratchet issue. The hand would lock up funny inside and freeze the whole mechanism. It could’ve been partially my fault since I was cleaning it with brake cleaner and de-lubed it not knowing any better.
Fitment seemed so tight or surface finish grabbed in a was that with lube it would work but as it fouled up or lost lube it was done. I lubed it up and traded it in.
It's a real pain when things don't run and maybe even worse when they half run. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Although I wish you the best of luck with your revolver, I’ve never understood why anyone would buy a Taurus given their piss-poor reputation of QC. I’d sooner spend a few more bucks and buy a S&W, especially a pre-lock Smith. Good video👍🏻
Thanks. For me personally I do carry Ruger and S&W and use them for home defense etc. For "me" as in the real me, I would not buy a Taurus. But for "Gun Sam" I needed to get a few because people buy them, carry them etc, so I need to know what they are really dealing with.
@@GunSam Thanks for the honest, civil answer.
The reason I was considering it was that it seemed like they had improved their game in recent years but this is just completely unacceptable. I wonder if it is a design flaw with this particular model as the 605s have seemed to have a pretty good reputation. I was interested in this model the .22s and the TH but I just have no confidence anymore.
I won't be able to afford S&W or Ruger for quite a while but I am looking more at Bersa for autos and RIA and EAA for revolvers as well as used H&R. It is sad that it is so difficult to find decent new revolvers for an affordable price.
@@GunSam ah now I understand why you have a Taurus in the first place. All this time I’ve been thinking man this guy is so knowledgeable about firearms but why does he have a Taurus? Now I know.
I have a 605 defender and have put 300-400 rounds through it. 130gr fmj, 158 lrn, 90 ftx, and 357 125 ftx and some other 357 loads. It runs like a top.
Your videos, along with those from other channels, have made my decision to avoid Taurus like the plague an easy one. There are way too many choices out there to waste time with a company that can't get it right.
Looking forward to you taking the revolver to the range for real world testing. I guess two lessons can come from this. 1 - Have all 6 cylinders occupied in your Taurus revolver. 2 - Don't buy a Taurus revolver.
I did, having all 6 occupied does nothing. In fact now it's dropping two chambers backwards with a trigger press.
Sorry to see this. I'm glad I bought a used ruger security six SS version over a Taurus for about same price. I think spec are almost identical, but internals and smithmanship really made the whole difference. Imagine this ruger was made 30 years ago but still runs like a champ.
Yeah Jacob, I had the opportunity to snatch up a 1980’s vintage Security-Six Stainless 6” a few years ago for $400. I’m glad I jumped on the deal. The same guy had a 1920’s vintage Colt Army Special .38 5” for the same price…. Scooped up that one as well😀
@@davek5027 good for you Dave, a lesson learned here, a man shall always know when to seize the moment!
You made a good choice. That Security Six will servie you well for a long time. I won't buy a Taurus at this point.
@@flyfishing101 I had a nice 4” stainless Security-Six in the 80’s and foolishly let it get away from me. Won’t make that mistake again!
I've had issues with both Taurus's I've owned, 2/3 S&W's. All 4 Ruger's I have I am 100% happy with.
After three times, I'd want a new one. Have a 6 inch barreled one and knock on wood, no issues yet.
I will never own a Taurus firearm, because I have heard nightmare stories while working at a Military Base gun counter. My 3 S&W and 1 Ruger revolvers have never had any issues what so ever. Knock on wood! Hope this is the last time you have to send that Taurus back to them. You have a very popular You Tube channel and are open an honest in your videos. Let's hope Taurus takes heed of that fact and improves their game.
Sorry to see this. The Taurus gunsmith SHOULD have gone through the revolver with a fine toothed comb after you sent the video. New bolt stop - acceptable. New bolt stop spring - good. New hand - good. But you just showed the problem still exists. That tells me the gunsmith fired the parts cannon without trying to actually diagnose. The problem is that the hand is failing to move forward far enough and intermittently causing a failure to rotate. The cause is either a weak hand spring (unlikely but possible), or a burr in the channel cutout for the hand (much more likely), or a too shallow cutout for the hand (unlikely but possible). If it wouldn't void your warranty, I'd suggest that you stone, hone, deburr the hand cutout before doing anything else. You could replace the hand spring with a slightly stronger one as part of that process, but the honing of the channel is the most important part of the process.
Agree , someone is just throwing parts in and hoping it fixes it. I see this in my line of work daily.
Sorry you're going through this . Thanks for sharing this information you have been very fair . NO Taurus for me . Ruger act's like I did them a favor when they fixed my single six and it it's old and still sweet .
I wasn't really wanting to take a chance with a Taurus revolver, but that kills any interest. I might hate not being able to afford a Smith 686, but I'd hate to throw away hundreds on a junk I couldn't trust when I need it.
Well that and the terrible repairs. I don't consider that revolver repaired.
Thanks for sharing this info.
I bought a PT-22 a while back. It jammed ever clip. Sent it back they fixed it. I was at a Pawn shop and saw a nice H&R 732 32 long. Traded that piece of crap in. Lost my butt. I now have a pistol I can count on. No more Taurus for me.
I am having the exact same problem with my 856 3 inch. Sent back to Taurus repair. They replaced the cylinder. However dry firing with very slight finger pressure to the side of cylinder replicates the same issue as before. The cylinder still wants to not engage with the hand and wants to rotate backward or at least not move the cylinder into the firing position and lock up. Taking to the range to test fire soon. Of note, I have had zero problems with my 605 3 inch. Mechanically appears to be the same as the 856 just 5 shots and stronger for the .357 rounds. So from a design engineering point I can’t understand why this is happening with a lot of the 856s. Thanks for your video. Keep ‘em coming.
Taurus has not responded back to me again. I have sent email after email since the day I made this video, nothing. If they just put a longer hand in it, it would fix the issue. But they don't, they just do stupid repairs, waste my time then ignore me.
Congratulations on a functional repair by the new and improved Taurus Firearms MFG company!
Thanks for letting me know how they treat their costumers
I've been waiting for this
I been waiting too lol, checking email like when is it coming back. At some point we turn into crazy cat ladies with our guns, got too many but if one is missing....
@@GunSam I was that way when my 617 went back to smith to get the frame replaced... Waited about 7 weeks, but it is a new gun effectively, and still warrantied.
@@crankygunreviews I never mentioned to my subs, but my Governor is with S&W now. The spring that makes the ejector return into the cylinder somehow came out while I was cleaning the gun with the cylinder off. Not really catastrophic as I could still shoot it and manually push the ejector/extractor star back in if I had to. I am curious on the speed I get it back. Taurus total time out is now at a month.
@@GunSam Dang that stinks about your Governor. Mine has been a fun gun and a pleasure to shoot. I mostly shoot .410 out of it, and it packs a punch! The 45 colt was a pussy cat to me after shooting some 1800 fps slugs out of it!
I also am finally getting set up to reload 38 special. My buddy is selling me a press, tumbler, lots of brass, case trimmer, bullets, and a couple pounds of powder for $175, and I just need to get the dies for 38 special. I also picked up about 650 cast bullets, some plated HP bullets, and about 350 brass from my sportsmans club as well. I may be picking your brain soon...
I'm super happy to reload 38 special, I shoot it a lot. My favorite caliber
@@GunSam maybe it is in the cue with mine, lol
I have a Taurus 856 have no issues wish you all the best getting yours fixed.thanks for the tip will keep an eye onmine
Lifetime warranties seem like they don't mean much when you can't get what ya paid for fixed. I've had a very similar scenario play out with a Ruger LCR. Third time I've sent it back, although this time through a gunsmithing service, hopin' just to get a brand new one this time. Ironically my Taurus 856 is holdin' up just fine.
S&W was shipping revolvers with wanted barrels a few years back in 2010-15. You could see them very clearly. They avoided fixing them saying they were in spec. Eventually they conceded after RUclipsrs reported them.
This is where you are. You need to post your videos in Forums, Facebook, etc. They do monitor their presence on social media.
If nothing else somebody will avoid your frustration.
I really want to like Taurus.
It seems impossible that they missed this.
Send it back.
What's really on trial is their customer service. All companies can produce something not right albeit Taurus at a higher rate, but the company arguing with me, blaming me and stating they fixed things that they never fixed is an issue. Wouldn't have been a big deal if they fixed it, but no they just keep wasting my time.
Thanks for keeping us updated with this issue. That's a rather disappointing outcome. It has damaged the Taurus brand for me.
First.. sad to hear that the problem is not fully fixed. Second.
It must be something wrong with tolerance, or design of the gun. And problem may grow latter. And third.. I love this chanel ✌️
I have had decent luck with Taurus, but I have come to the conclusion that I do not want to mess with budget guns anymore in my life. It has been a great decision. Good luck my friend.
Yeah I'm hoping to get a Ruger LCR 38 special soon. Can't afford it, but I'm tired of buying cheap brands that don't work
It almost looks like the hand isn’t long enough to engage the cylinder star. I’ve owned several Taurus revolvers over the years and have had very good luck with them. Not looking to good for Taurus.
I was thinking about getting the 856 Ultra Light stainless. Now, don't know if I should.
If your gonna bet your life on it then get a Ruger. I doubt you will regret it.
@@robgoins3672 Yeah. Thanks.
I had the same problem with my new 856 (purchased about 1 month ago). Long story short, I replaced the cylinder stop myself with one from a model 85 Taurus and it seems to be cured, the original stop was unlocking too soon, the replacement delays the unlocking just enough.
I had a Taurus .357 snub about 15 years ago that had really bad cylinder bind, I sent it to Taurus, got it back around 5 months later with the issue still present. Have not, nor will I ever purchase another Taurus revolver.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I bought the Tungsten Cerakote a few months back it has been flawless. Timing and cylinder lockup is ver good, as is the barrel/cylinder gap. Guess it depends which line it goes down and when.
I have the tungsten cerekote one as well and I have loved it so much I EDC it. That is really too bad that QC still isn't quite fixed there. And I was really looking at that new executive line 856 too. To bad.
I’m sorry that you are having issues with your 856. I tried dry firing my 856UL doa while putting plenty of drag on the cylinder with my thumb and had no issues.
It probably would rotate single action mode. I have a friend that has said that he would not have a Taurus revolver. Maybe he was on to something.. I never saw this problem in Taurus revolvers made during the 1990’s .
It’s frustrating to keep sending your gun back for repairs. I had to send my Taurus TX22 back twice before it now seems to be fixed right. I have a variety of guns by different manufacturers but the Taurus TX22 is probably my favorite. The low recoil and comfort is fantastic, hopefully I now have reliability.
I am willing to bet the cylinder will still get hung up once you put a few cylinders worth of ammo down range and that cylinder and frame starts to heat up and get dirty.
I had a smith and Wesson model 642 doing the same and I scored the star, cylinder, yoke, and cylinder stop before sending it back. When I got the gun back it had a new cylinder stop, star, and yoke. Worked for me before it’s worked flawlessly since warranty work.
I hate that, I thought Taurus finally stepped up their quality control, I'll stick with my smith 642!, Great video thanks for the update, God bless
I had a Taurus PT-22 pocket pistol that would send its slide flying off while shooting. The second time I sent it back I got a totally different pistol back from the factory!! I just took it to my LGD and traded it in. This dubious practice seems to be a habit!
I traded mine piece of crap. Jammed every clip
Either the hand spring assembly/pivot is not fully operational or, more likely (since the hand assembly is supposedly replaced), the hand window in the frame is improper. Either of these would give the limited hand to cylinder star engagement seen here. One would think that a factory-service certified gunsmith could have sorted this out by now......🤔
Thanks! I was thinking about getting the Executive version, but I’m having serious second thoughts now!
No problems with my 856 UL, but then I've only put about 12 rounds through it. I haven't fired my 692 yet. I'm glad i have the Charter mag pug and the Security Six.
Thanks for putting these vids up! Taurus' QC and customer support is just a mess.
It's a machine, it is designed to function a specific way. People who are crying about what you're doing don't understand how the machine is supposed to function.
That cylinder should rotate reliably, no matter what the cylinder stop is doing, no matter where the bullet weight is, no matter what sort of resistance (or drag) is on the cylinder. I can think of several scenarios where using a revolver would induce that lack of rotation and it's potentially life-threatening if you're trusting this device to protect your life.
The ratchet arm doesn't seem to be engaging and rotating that cylinder properly under certain conditions. That seems like a separate issue that may, or may not be related to the cylinder stop function.
Sorry for your luck man. I love my 856.😢 It just makes me really mad at Taurus. Maybe if you were Hop@TFL they would just send u a brand new gun and be done with it… Sadly, it’s all about the views man… Keep your head up and keep posting!
Sometimes the saying "Ya get what ya pay for" is true.
Gotta agree with that!
My ruger lcp2 22lr is at Ruger for the second time in a month for a broken trigger. Came back first time still broken. All manufacturers have quality control and service issues. My Taurus 85 has been great.
I just got mine back for the 3rd time as well. I had problems with light primer strikes. The first time they said they replaced the hammer spring. Lol, I just did that before I sent it in. They were Wolff springs and although the new springs lightened the trigger, the problem was still there. The second time Taurus sent it back, they "adjusted the cylinder axis" which is a fancy way of saying they whacked the cylinder with a special hammer. Now, this third time, they replaced the firing pin and "hand". I still don't know what the hand is yet so I guess I need to do some research. I will take it to the range with a 32 Long revolver I found in my Dad's gun safe when he passed away a couple of years ago. He was a true gunsmith and I wish I would have spent more time learning but we all think there will be time until there's not. I will comment back with some range results. I really wanted to like Taurus..
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The red rusty residue might be from the box. My cylinder always gets the ink from the box smeared on it.
I used to be married to a inanimate object that wouldn’t work, I’m better now.
I hope you can divorce yourself of your problem.
Thanks for sharing/reinforcing the popular opinion on Toreus.
Regards from New Washington
Next video: "How bullet resistant is a Taurus revolver?"
That's Paul Harrell style.
I have a Taurus PT1911 that's been back three times because it won't run a full magazine without a failure-to-feed stoppage, even with McCormick magazines. My regular gunsmith refuses to let me waste money on it.
Man, S&W, Ruger, Colt if you can find one. But Taurus? No thank you. Fine vid Sam. Thank you for the heads up. No Taurus.
Hi Sam - I hate you got a lemon and on top of it inexperienced Taurus gunsmiths. My suggestion is to take it to a gunsmith who specializes in revolvers who can tell you exactly what is wrong. So far I've had good luck with the Taurus all steel snubs. Not so good of luck with their Polyprotector. On the other hand QC is not what it should be with any manufacturer these days.
I looked at a Colt King Cobra a couple of months back and I couldn't get the cylinder to unlatch. I suggested to the FFL that he try oiling it up. He did and we finally got it unlatched but the back of the frame where the cylinder locks into place was jagged and ragged, with worse milling than any older Rossi or Charter Arms I'd ever seen. And this was an $839 gun. No sale that day.
Man sad, sad deal. I've got over a dozen S&W revolvers, one Colt and one Ruger all have been flawless. I had a buddy that had a Taurus revolver in the 90's that was a great paperweight. I heard they got much better, they must have 3rd graders doing their repairs.
Glad you got your 856 semi fixed. I know you carry other brands. For testing purposes it will do. I know 3 in barrel revolvers are hard to come by now a days. It's disappointing that their fix is limiting your selective ammo purposes in testing. Thanks for the update Sam.🎩🎱♠️🎯🏁🇺🇦🌻🌼🌸💮☘️🔫
If I had to guess, the cylinder needs replacing. It appears that the pawl is bad on on that cylinder. My advice is to trade that revolver for a Ruger SP101 in 38 +p.The extra cost is well worth it. I've shot Rugers for around 45 years and I've never seen a bad revolver from them. That's why I'll always be a die hard Ruger man.
I know what you're saying, but that's not really advice in what I do. I have owned an SP101 before. The point of the Taurus is to own a Taurus and see how they do. Your advice is good for other people though.
From infuriatingly personal experience, your best bet is to have a good gunsmith work on it and to forget about Taurus ever getting it right (or outright demand a new gun). In the 12 years since my first new Taurus purchase (4 models in total) I've never once had Taurus & Co fix anything of theirs I've sent in for warranty work, ever. Not all of their guns are total junk, but when they're in need of work right out of the gate, forget about Taurus fixing it right. Your mileage may vary, but after the 3rd model I've had to send into the revolving Taurus merry-dont-go-round pit of customer despair, 1) I stopped buying their guns new and 2) Started taking the ones I had to a local gunsmith here in Tx when they broke. And he got them to run pretty much dead nuts reliable, as reliable as a Taurus can be anyway. They're never going to be a Ruger GP100 or a S&W Model 13, but they don't have to be this bad right out of the box either.
Welcome to the club. I will not buy another Taurus. I sent a P92 back 3 times with no fix. Dumped it cheap. Guy who bought it knew it was not working.
My Taurus 856 bought late April 2024. I bought the stainless one and paid 303 for it. The black one was roughly $20 less. I am lucky short drive to Rural King or Sportmans Warehouse. The PRICE? I think of what I think is called LANDED COST. Mail Order I need to pay like $30 FFL fee and $20 shipping-so plus $50 to the price quoted. My pistol is marked Bainbridge Georgia. It does not say made in USA. Having worked in a machine shop, MANY MANY MANY years ago-summer job. Tools do wear. I do wonder about different quality tied to serial number o a gun.
I would only use that for plinking. I would never trust it in a life or death situation. At this point, I would order repair parts for a S&W in the same chassis size and attempt to rebuild it myself after another failure.
Hey Sam, well after Taurus came out with the g2c/g3c I thought their bad old days might be over. Seems I was WRONG! Sam YOU should contact the CEO of Taurus about this! They are causing HUGE damage to their image and subsequent sales!
hey sam, i have two 856s one 2 inch and one 3 inch, one is 6 months and the other is 3, have sent both back, twice thats two times for each ,for the same problem as you have. they did not fix either one. cs made it sound like i was doing something wrong. i gave up out of total frustration....im out over $900.00 will never buy another or recommend a taurus to anyone. good luck with yours. cant sell them or trust them enough to use them. i also bought a ruger lcrx 327
I might trade mine into a gun store. I feel bad for doing it as I don't want to put the issue on someone else, but my options are limited.
@@GunSam both of mine were used as edc, i would be afraid if i traded them and someone used them the same way that they might get hurt or worse, so i just decided bite the bullet, so to speak, and keep them. i put the 2 inch on a shelf in the garage just in case i need it in an emergency and the 3 inch, like yours, ill keep for plinking at the range. it just pisses me off that a company doesn't care enough to correct this problem knowing these are used as edc. thanks for your good work with this. i enjoy your channel....
I enjoy your video's Sam! There Is a reason why Taurus does not have any US LE agency contracts, this Is an example!
I haven't had any problems with my 2" 856. Pull the trigger and it goes bang, although low and right but that's a fixed sight revolver for you. I wonder if it's a 3" issue?
@@rangefinderz5135 Actually no worse than the S&W's I tried. Very few have a decent trigger out of the box anymore and need a little polishing. I put a Galloway kit in mine but just the polish made a huge difference.
I've been thinking about a Taurus for weeks now, but keep seeing videos of malfunctions. I've had it, onto another brand, more expensive or not.
I bought a 2” 856 in early 2020 and so far so good.
Man I’m sorry you’re having such a hard time with that revolver. Seems like it’s a design flaw from the ground up. Like if the manufacturer can’t make it work after 3 tries what will? Definitely wouldn’t rely on that one for personal defense.
What are your thoughts on Taurus in general?
I bought a Taurus 905 many years ago. Had a worse problem with timing out of the box ( I ordered it). Sent it back for repairs and several months later got it back in the same exact condition. Taurus didn't find a problem. Back then we didn't have internet so I didn't record it. Also I had to pay for shipping for the repairs. That's just ****.
You're the second person lately who has returned an 856 multiple times and still not working. My takeaway is stay away from Taurus. It is not worth the "savings". I paid $450 for a used ex police S&W model 10 2" RB that was built in 1980 and still as reliable as day one. Worth a little extra money to avoid stuff like this. Thanks for your reviews.
I sent in a S&W recently. I have owned about a dozen, this is the first one ever. And all it was is that the extractor/ejector return spring came out and I didn't know how to put it back in.
@@GunSam Yeah, I had a 642 that developed light strikes after 4 years and S&W would not replace it as they said it was not repairable and called it "normal wear and tear" so that left me without a gun to trade in or sell.
People tell me I just got a bad service rep but, it soured me on any new S&W products. I still love their older stuff but, for brand new revolvers I am sticking to Ruger just because their CS has been fantastic over the 50 years I have been shooting their guns. Although I have personally only used them twice for minor issues and they replaced no questions asked.
Had some full power .357 hand loads destroy the timing on my dads on his 7-shot revolver. I tried to warn him it was too hot for his gun. He just did not wanna hear Rugers are tanks and are among the strongest revolvers. Which I proudly own.
I've been looking for a two-cylinder Model 692 for about three years now. After seeing your problem with other Taurus revolvers, I think I can finally stop looking...
Bought my first gun ever yesterday! Taurus 856. The bullets are scratching against the back because the spacing is too tight. Won't rotate because of that. Absolutely wild.. took me forever to decide to finally own a gun and the one I buy has problems right off the bat. Thanks for your video. Looks like I'll be going to a gunsmith.
Luckily with that problem, there's only a little removing of metal in key places, should be easy. Taurus finally told me the frame is out of spec and they are replacing it. Sent it in September 11th, just heard from them and it can be 8 weeks to receive the replacement. Bought the thing in March, now November and have had it in my possession for 1 month total during that time.
@@GunSam As much as Taurus is trying to get things right, they are still hit or miss on out of the box quality. Your further experience shared publicly (thank you) on warranty service has pushed any further notions of the Executive Grade from my thoughts. The final analysis for me is Taurus is a budget gun company that builds budget guns. You might get a good one, but if you get a poor one, the time and effort to get it fixed just isn't worth it. I'd rather pay the higher price of a Ruger and KNOW they will fix it quickly if it has a problem. If Ruger were to fill the gap between the SP101 and GP100 in a 3" K-frame size they'd probably see tremendous sales.
Seeing the failings of your gun made me a little nervous about my Defender. While I can free spin the cylinder after very little trigger travel, it does work properly. Tried it with two 158 grain bullets and it worked as it should. Taurus should replace your revolver, no question. Anyway, I really enjoy your videos. I've always loved revolvers.
My charter arms will free spin too, however it's never caused a malfunction under normal use.
Sir every gun maker have some problems. I have the 605 defender 357mag/38 3"barrel I brought it over a year ago no problems. I just bought the 856 UL DEFENDER 3"BARREL GLOW FRONT SITES. THREE MONTHS AGO BROTHER EVERYTHING IS SWEET 👍🏿👍🏿
I have owned about a dozen S&W revolvers and a half dozen Ruger revolvers and not a single one has had any problem of any kind. I have owned four Taurus revolvers and EVERY SINGLE ONE has had a significant problem. So you're not convincing me of anything.
Had similar problem, the third time back they "fixed" with new cylinder. Now problem is barrel and cylinder don't line up very well. With Taurus you get a good one or a bad one. They don't have time or motivation to ever make it right after you bought it.
Not quite right but it appears that fully loading the cylinder is key to make it reliable in function. Try firing it for 100 rounds using full cylinder loading to see if it works and to fully seat all the parts work Taurus did to it.
Even 6 is enough to know it's not right. Full of brass and two remaining rounds, now it's dropping two chambers backwards.
@@GunSam I do not know why they cannot fix correctly what they make. Never owned a Taurus revolver. The Raging Hunter interests me in 460 S&W magnum but not as much as if S&W might do it one better with a scandium infused aluminum barrel shroud versus the Taurus plain grade aluminum barrel shroud.
If you’ve followed Taurus offerings long enough you know there has always been the nay sayers out there looking for any opportunity to complain about about their quality. In fairness to them they’ve made a lot of great guns. In my own collection I have a Model 85, a Model 617, and a PT92 that I’ve owned for around 20 years or longer. I’ve actually had the M85 since 1995. The ones I actually own have always been extremely reliable. When your situation pops up I’d have to say shame on Taurus for not making more of an effort to make sure they got it right. Your channel probably gives Taurus products more global visibility then any other media outlet. For them to take such a “business as usual” approach to resolving this problem is a reflection on them as a company. To me the measure of a company’s value is what they do to correct issues experienced by their customers. Every company can produce a lemon; it’s how they correct the issues that earn people’s loyalty.
I’ve had a M85 as well probably about as long as you’ve had yours with no problems. Also have a G2 that is a good gun as well. I know Taurus has had issues so maybe I’ve been fortunate with mine. I’d probably buy another of their products for the right price.
@@peternorton5648 The funny part to me is this particular customer can get them a lot of bad press so to speak. Interesting note on my PT92. It is more accurate in my hands then any of my Beretta collection and it has a better trigger. But new out of the box the front sight was only half painted in. I had to add some white paint to complete the sight picture…but it is a hell of a shooter. My M617 has better lockup them my S&W M627 from the Performance Center. Funny….
You mentioned a Model 94 that you had issues with. I've had my Taurus Model 94 for 19 years and 8 days. The only problem I've ever had with it is that under certain very specific circumstances, it becomes almost impossible to shoot double action. One of those circumstances was crappy ammo with rims that were too thick, and they would cause the cylinder to bind. The other circumstance is that even with good ammo, once the gun gets dirty (which doesn't take very long), the double action gets tough to use. Clean the gun, the problem goes away.
I had three in a row, that after 500 rounds the transfer bars would snap right off. Mine was made around 2009 so there's a possible change in material or quality.
@@GunSam Either you got really unlucky or I got really lucky.
Ha! I have a Taurus story from 1992. First and last Taurus I’ve owned.🎉
Love you videos. Sorry about the Taurus. Keep up the good work!
I was contemplating purchasing a Taurus Model 327. After watching your entire video and listening to your story now I am not so sure. I would say you get what you pay for, and that is true to a degree, but you hear about stuff like this with all kinds of different brands , Colt comes to mind.
its funny that i found these videos right after paying for a Taurus 856 lol.
HAHA, my Dad bought one of these a few months ago. Yep he saw the issues and sold it quickly. I had to laugh because he said he got a "good deal" on it. That's why he bought it. I told him to stick to a Ruger or a S&W. yep, a bit more. But a bit more gun and grantee!!
That's funny, I had probs with a Taurus 94 way back in the '90s, namely the barrel came loose and rotated out a bit. I sent it in, and rather than fix it they sent me a new one. Cheaper for them, I spoze. Worked out cuz then I got to sell a brand new gun instead of a used one. If you want to fix this yourself instead of sending it back to the factory parts-changers, try peening the hand, a.k.a. pounding it flat-side on an anvil at the end that engages the cylinder, to extend it a skosh. Believe or not, that's been an established method for Smiths since the olden days. I've used it on both a Model 28 and a Victory model.
6 rounds,2 rounds doesn't matter that cylinder should always rotate no matter what.
This made me go check my revolvers to see if mine are doing this, I can put enough pressure on the cylinder that makes trigger pull hard and the cylinder rotate to each chamber. The only problem with this is mine are all Rugers. Double action operation is the same no matter who makes the revolver.
I have the exact same gun and have not experienced that problem. That's unusual for me, I seem to always get a lemon.
hi, to you !!!
i think that your issues you can fix by an handhome job, the first one the hand, change its front inner profile make it better concave such that it move a bit forward, second on the cylinderstop modified its inner upper profile before the notch and remove a bit of metal but non on the crest of cylinder notch, and then modified the little window from it protrude make its tick more thinnest, such that the cylinder notch can proptrude better a bit out the receiver, and at last cut a little bit of metal from the down teeth of the chamber that don't wheel ... !!! i with this homemade jobs fix many same issues ... 👋
All this time I didnt realize you were in Michigan, same here.
I watched a video, a few months ago, on the TX-22. That guy Paul said between He and his crew they had over 100 handguns but not one Taurus. They were going to keep the gun. Apparently they hadn't experienced the barrel issues. YET. I have yet to experience a issue with all of my Taurus guns. But I have never owned one either.
I'm really hoping to get a Ruger LCR 38 special soon. It's more than I can afford, but I'm tired of buying cheaper brands that don't work.
Somebody needs to befriend a gunsmith... I remember Nutn fancy have his gunsmith hand work a S&W snubbie to perfection. Stoning(polishing) internals with the right knowledge to remove burrs has been mentioned in the comments. I am afraid the repair personal at Taurus are not true gunsmiths, just everyday assemblers handed the gun to replace a few parts...
Sucks man, thanka for the update though! Mine has 350 through it now and no issues. Still can't replicate your issue either
I really want them to fix your gun! I really want to be able to recommend it. That is such a nice size and barrel length paired with .38Special.
That's just sad! I wanted that exact revolver until you got one. Send it back again.
I'm glad u got the 605 and not the 856 then!
What are your thoughts on the tracker 627 (4") I think I've decided that's what I want next. Lighter than the ruger and s&w but has ports. Looking for a woods 357.
Take it to the range and let us know if there are any real problems when you load it with 6 real rounds.
Seen to many issues with Taurus , sucks you spent your money and can not get someone who actually knows how to fix a gun. Their price is alluring to many on a budget but if possible I tell folks to just wait and save a bit more for a Ruger or Smith. Yes they may still have a rare issue but these two companies will make it right the first time. Good Luck Sam!
I'm not knocking Taurus at all, I had a 92 that was flawless, but of the two revolvers I've had ,one had the same issue you're having and the other the crane was twisting during recoil and jamming it up. I no longer have any. I wanted to get the raging judge, but I think I'm gonna get a Smith guvnah or bigger.
I have a Taurus 856, with 2 inch barrel. Not gonna carry it anymore. Target practice only.
still a weird issue- like the cylinder stop disengages, and the cylinder ratchet hand doesn't engage enough to turn the cylinder... I guess we'll see how it work in real world shooting.
That's my hope. Once in awhile the problems are not enough to matter, despite technically being a problem. My daughter's car clicks when she turns once in awhile, but we can't find any real issue that prevents her from getting to work.
@@GunSam I love how you phrased that. In my mind, I said, "getting to work is all that matters. Make that money!"
Did you check the teeth on the back of the extracter/cylinder were the hand pushes for damage looks like the hand is slipping off May be you could shim the cylinder back towards breech face