I love how progressively tired Ryen is getting of Bills shit 😂😂 not seriously but Bill is the king of coming up with fun exercises and Ryen just finds them more and more ridiculous 😂
BEST PART of Ryen getting cooking on his own channel and own pod is that he can LAUGH IN BILL'S FACE when he says dumb shit haha it's happening more and more and I, for one, am absolutely here for it.
You may want to be OKC in six years... but for right now it's absolutely Denver. Even if Denver declines towards the end of that span, getting 3-4 legitimate title shots from a team that demonstrated it's built for the playoffs is going to be hard to match for anyone across the six years.
lol betting against a team vs the field is like not a brave or prophetic take. There’s been only 3 short eras where certain all time great teams could be counted to win vs the entire field in the last 50 years. This is the same BS Nick Wright did with his Jokic takes. Easy to make a name betting against a player because even Jordan ended his season a loser more often than winning.
I thought wolves looked toast especially round the Anderson fight. But they had a competitive series with Denver and they were one of the only teams to steal a win from Denver in the playoffs
I'm a wolves fan but honestly i probably gotta choose OKC. I think J-Dub is going to be special alongside their other two rising stars. And lots of draft picks to add to that.
I can't believe you guys have now gone through it 3 times in the past decade. First with KG and Pierce, then the Harden and Kyrie situation, now Simmons.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW I dunno man. I'd even take DLo and Kenny Atkinson back, yeah we weren't amazing or even great but we at least had good vibes, this is just depressing
Timberwolves: - Anthony Edwards: 22yr phenom, averaging 26/5/5 with ELITE defense. Also has that “it” factor and killer instinct - Jaden McDaniels: 23yr elite perimeter defender and a great corner 3 shooter. He’s a competitive edge to him too - NAW: SGA’s cousin (lol), 25yr, elite defender off the bench and is your typical 3&D player that holds many intangibles - Naz Reid: Naz “Naz Reid” Reid. 24yr. Might be the best backup center/PF in basketball (sorry portis). Fan favorite electric 6th Man -Minnesota is becoming somewhat of a fun marketbable team and Ant alone could bring in a few star FA’s. - Don’t be afraid of Minnesota’s salary issues. They ain’t gonna be running KAT and Gobert back forever -New ownership. A-Rod / Marc Lori are fantastic owners
Gobert is in 3rd year of a 5 year contract. That's not bad. Trade KAT at the same time and land some good players. People are going to be lining up to play with Ant. (And though most people don't know it, MIN is cold as hell but actually higher quality of life than most midwestern cities and low cost of living. Take it without hesitation over MIL, CHI, CLE or even PHI, which is not midwest.)
@@David-iv6je its not even that cold anymore. Those 2 week long below zero stretches dont happen often anymore. This year we never really got below zero and there was no snow. Most days had highs in the 30's with a few breakout 50 degree days. Thats not anything at all really.
This is another IN six years team not FOR the next six years team. Ant is realistically 5 years away from being at his peak and another 3 away from his prime. It's a big reason why people didn't really love the Gobert trade. By the time Ant is ready to win a title Rudy will be 36.
@@TS-ce5st I'm just saying it's not the shitty destination many think it is. But you're right, players gonna be players. The MSP downtown is a ghost town. Maybe it depends on if they want to win. Guys who want a hoppin city are less likely to win.
Can you guys do one with house and Waz where all 3 come with 2 abnormal stats for a player who is not in the limelight or not known for the area in which the stat is. Like dearon fox is 3rd in nba in steals with 2+ per game which is abnormal for him.
Bruh Memphis not even getting mentioned once in this is WILD. They were 2nd in the west the last 2 years before their historically bad injury luck this season. Ja, JJJ, and Bane have a yet to hit their prime, and they've shown a knack for being able to find good players late in the draft. They should be right near the top of this list
I'm a Denver fan I agree with you that Memphis has a big upside looking towards the future. My only concern is Ja, will he walk a straight line or is he bound to make some more stupid mistakes off court? I hope it's the former.
Their best player can't get his life together off the court, then comes back and has a season ending injury. SGA, Wemby, Luka and Ant are all better than him long term and don't have injury/off court BS to deal with. Zion and Ingram plus the picks is better than Memphis. Not hard to comprehend. Bill mentioning Houston and Utah over Memphis is a bit wild though
A grown man owning a gun in a country that has more guns than people is an example of someone who can't get his life together off the court?!?!? Jamal Murray tore his ACL and basically missed two playoffs back to back yet he recovered just fine yet Ja hurts his shoulder and it's the first time a player has ever gotten injured?? What would OKC record be right now if SGA only played 9 games this season and also back in January, Jalen Williams had a grade 3 ankle sprain that caused him to miss 2 months, and also two days before Jalen got hurt Lou Dort messed up his finger that caused him to miss the rest of the season? What would OKC's record be right now?!?!?!? 😂😂
@@jonathans8760 I think what he’s referring to with the “get his life together” is that the nba has contract provisions like players can’t ride a motorcycle, go skiing, or, say, flash guns on social media, ja knew that, and broke the rules anyway, even though it cost him hundred of millions of dollars. Plus there’s the whole, beat up at teenager at his house then stuck a gun in his face thing. Don’t want to speak for him though but that would be my assumption. Bane and JJJ are outstanding though and that should have merited more consideration on this list, certainly more than the NOP
And the fact that they've unearthed and secured two gems in Vince Williams Jr. and GG Jackson for peanuts while also having a lotto pick next season raises their ceiling a lot.
People really underestimate the rebounding issue for OKC. It's really freaking hard to beat good teams in the playoffs if they constantly get 10-12 more shots and that's not an issue that just goes away. Maybe they'll be so good on offense it doesn't matter but they are shooting 39% on theees and 83% on FT. How much better can they reasonably get? Filling that fourth spot is actually very tricky because what they need is pretty rare and in demand. A big wing who can do all the guard/playmaking stuff but can defend big wings, rebound and is preferably a lob and/or shooting threat on offense. Healthy Ben Simmon is ideal. Maybe Jarace Walker, Jalen Johnson, Ausar, Avdija, Scottie Barnes, Franz.
@@thebigwagyu Have you watched them on offense? Those guys don't exactly fit what they do. Adams I like lot more than Drummond. Adams is good enough defensively you could justify moving Chet to the wing to play the Rob Williams role and Adams is such a good and smart screener he'd be able to figure out ways to contribute. If you leave him he's either going to 1) make himself available for a dump off 2) get an offensive rebound or 3) run a handoff for one the guards to get an open three. Plus he's strong enough to guard Jokic and Embiid. But that assumes he can bounce back physically. He may well be a step too slow once we returns. And even if he isn't, he's more of a 20-25 minute guy not a 'one of your five in the last five minutes of game 7' guy. They should try to acquire him if the price is low but they still need a big athletic 6'9" 220 pound wing. Drummond just no. That works on 2k, not irl. He gets in the way on offense and if he were a good enough defender to justify kicking Chet to the wing or could guard wings then Chicago would be a 50 win team. Hard pass
@@michaelahurt I was just talking about a cheap, big body off the bench that could spell Chet over the course of a 7 game series. By no means is Andre Drummond the missing piece to a championship team, but I doubt the asking price would’ve been that much (especially with the embarrassment of riches that OKC has in the draft)
@@christopheryu1036 Doesn't fix their problem. And Brooklyn isn't trading Bridges. They have no incentive to be bad because they don't own their own picks. It only makes sense to trade him if he demanded a trade. They want to trade for a star to pair WITH Bridges (and Claxton and Cam and DFS.) Imagine that team with Luka. Or even Booker or Mitchell.
Gotta be Denver and OKC. Nuggets have only a single key player over 30 and that's KCP at 31. Almost all their starters and rotation guys are 27 or younger. Jokic just turned 29. Barring injury they'll be contending every year. OKC is a no brainer, particularly with all the assets they have to play with. Definitely not the Wolves. People keep talking about them as a 'young team' but they aren't. And their salary cap situation is about to become a disaster along with the fact that they have zero assets to help them improve.
Why? Memphis isn't a destination that free agents want to go and the team doesn't have the best management. Add on Ja's status is kinda up in the air at the moment with his injury.
I think denver makes sense cause they may win 2 titles over the next 3 years...okc is next cause they can win the title...the wolves are probably 3rd cause they can win..spurs may make a finals one day over 6 years but a title seems unlikely...they are 4th but if we go 12 years they may be 1st
Wolves. They’re a mix of young stars and vets right now. As long as they keep Ant, Jaden, Naz, NAW, and develop Clark and Miller, they’ll be contenders for a long time. Excited to see who they’ll be able to get in FA too when Gobert and KAT’s contracts expire
@@razkable This. Ant is gonna be a superstar, maybe THE superstar, but who knows if he'll stay. That franchise is so toxic historically and they still have the same douchebag in ownership. He'll find a way to fuck it up. And it ain't like it's in a city that young millionare athletes want to live in...
The picks make you think so. But don't forget the Curse of the Sasquatch. It won't be over until all the former Sonics have retired. KD, Westbrook and Uncle Jeff green. OKC is toast until those guys have all shut it down. Don't blame me. It's the Curse of the Sasquatch.
@@David-iv6je Its not the picks. Everyone keeps saying that. Even if they had zero picks they would have a shot at being 1st in this. This team's core is all 25 and under and they are fighting for 1 seed in a brutal West with 2 of their 3 best players being a rookie and a sophomore. They have a legit big 3 with all of them having legit superstar potential. On top of that they will have 35 million in cap space this summer which is 4th most in the league. Having a million picks is just a cherry on top. Nobody in their right mind should have anyone but OKC 1st in this. I think Simmons is just trolling to get reactions. Having Spurs above them just because of Wembanyama, who by the way is leading them to a worse record than last year, is ludicrous.
I'm not 100% sure that the Spurs say no to that deal. Luka is barely in his mid-twenties and is leading the league in scoring. They probably do say no but they don't say it right away. I love the idea of Victor having Kyrie passing him the ball.
You don't understand how much SA loves Wemby. Luka is a great individual talent but his heliocentric style doesn't translate to wins and the Spurs roster is absolute shit--Luka would not fit at all in an ass rebuilding situation. If you asked everyone in the Spurs organization, I don't think a single person would pick Luka over Wemby. Wemby could be the best player of his generation like Jordan or LeBron. Peak Luka right now isn't even a top 3 MVP candidate.
@@slightexagThe Spurs would immediately take Luka, it is an obvious choice. You still have the "helocentric" offense stuck in your mind, even though that immediately stopped once Luka had better pieces around him since the deadline, it was a necassity, not who Luka is. Sure, Wemby could be the best player in his generation, if he stays healthy (which is still unlikely) and manages to develop into an efficient offensive player. Luka already is clearly the best player from his generation and still has a legitimate shot to become at least a top 5 player of all time, especially if you consider that his ceiling is propably a 40/10/10 season, which never happened in history. Luka is not a top 3 MVP candidate because the standings play a much bigger role in that regard than they used to, it has become a team award to some extend. That does not change the fact that Luka has pretty clearly been the best player in the NBA this season, there might be an argument for Jokic, but nobody can seriously argue that SGA or Giannis came close to Luka this season.
@@slightexag Luka would actually be in a better situation if he was with a team with a ton of future picks. I did say that I think they would not accept the trade so chill.
@@cadrollhunting3564no chance SA takes Luka. that's a presentism bias. the team is in a rebuild. why would you want an established, ball-dominant star? He can barely lead a mediocre team to the playoffs; why would him having a worse cast around him be good for anyone? Wemby for Luka makes no sense and overstates Luka's value compared to Wemby's potential. Wemby's offensive and defensive potential over the course of 10 years gives me and literally everyone in SA more hope than Luka's present game.
@@slightexagPotential is one thing, but can that potential be fullfilled, especially with the huge health issues players of that seize usually have? As much as Wemby has shown defensively, i think we can at least agree that Luka has a much higher offensive ceiling than Wemby does. Luka also took a terrible team to the WCF in 2022, that team was not much better than what wemby has around him now. I get that Wemby would be the pick if everything goes ideally, but it usually does not, Luka though will be at least a top 5 player consistently for the next 10ish seasons.
I can understand the points being made about denver,okc,houston even but man I love the pelicans roster.They got so many gutsy,play right now young guys on that team it's crazy to downplay them.We gotta remember Ingram is still only 26,zion only 23, and alot of their other young guys are 26 or way younger but already can play and be relied on.If zion actually buys into new orleans as a real home that team will be serious for years to come
The only sure teams for the next half decade in the West are Denver (best player in the league in Jokic plus a strong core) and OKC (SGA plus young studs plus tons of picks). The others all have just 1 star plus a lot of problems and bad habits. Simmons's obsession with Wemby is a bit laughable--he's a great talent, but he won't be enough. Say he's Duncan--where are San Antonio's Ginobli, Parker, Robinson, Bowen, et al.? It's a team game, and not even the GOATs could win championships on their own--not Jordan, not Magic, not Bird, not Kobe, not Curry.
I wouldn’t have them at the top of this list, but the Mavs have a lot of youth too. Among their rotation players, only Kyrie and Tim Hardaway are over 30. Luka, Gafford, Lively, Green, PJ, etc are all 25 or younger and signed multiple years rn.
Easily the Nuggets. I'm not even a fan of them. But I'm a fan of beautiful basketball, and they play it. There are so many teams that showed great promise but disbanded before getting a championship and fully realizing their potential. The Durant-Westbrook-Harden Thunder come to mind. The T-Wolves are a ton of fun, but they're fragile. I'd rather play beautiful basketball with Jokic for as long as possible. And my second choice would be the Lakers, because I'd play with LeBron for as long as possible, even if he doesn't win the championship. Then the Spurs might have some staying power, if Wemby can stay healthy.
Don't understand how Luka is some how already underrated, Luka is a top-3 player &I don't get it but it seems like Luka &Kyrie actually get along &Kyrie can always be traded out for new talent. Mavs have the guard positions on lock &their big-man rotation is on lock for the next 3-yrs as well Love how the internet just switched-up on Jalen Green, not one of them gave him any love the past two seasons, they all said the Rockets should give up on him. Hell many of them laughed at Green this season; in 2024 people were still clowning him. I hope he holds every podcast, YT and TNT/NBATV person accountable.
The Luka and Mavs disrespect is crazy. The Mavs have Luka for the next 4 years and Kyrie on a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons, same goes for Gafford and Washington, lively is on a rookie deal the next 4 seasons. Since the deadline, they have been one of the best teams in the NBA, despite having a very limited time to gel together and they have plenty of room to improve next season just by moving the THJ, Powell and green contracts and find better pieces to surround their core that is locked in for a few years. I understand having okc on top of the mavs in a ranking like that, but thats it. Also, if you offer the Spurs a Luka/Wemby swap right now, the spurs would immediately take Luka and laugh in the Mavs faces for Generations, how is that even a question and how can you come to the conclusion they would take Wemby?
Is it disrespect? Everything you’ve said about the Mavs upside of this roster is true. And yet the future for all these teams that Russillo and Bill listed is equally bright. Hard to argue the others don’t have a better upside for the next six years when you consider that (aside from SAS) they are all already ahead of Dallas (at least standings-wise) and all have more draft capital other than Minnesota who have similar. Mavs have no tradeable picks to speak of. They’re already all in with this squad and aren’t a top 4 seed Like things change from year to year so this could be immediately wrong. But as it stands it’s not an obvious case of “disrespect” Aside from the Spurs where I think Bill is putting way too much faith in one single guy and some hope I dunno who else you could make the case for as definitely objectively have a worse outlook than Dallas. You can easily make the case for MIN, OKC, DEN, NO
@@jamespratt7526I am especially struggling with the MIN take. Other than ANT and maybe mcdaniels, there is just not much long term upside. Rudy works better than expected, but he is still massively overpaid and almost 32. KAT is the bigger problem here as his contract will be a serious roadblock. It is one of, if not the worst contract in the league that will be very hard to move and without moving that contract there is almost no path to improvement.
@@cadrollhunting3564I don’t know…the wolves had been the 1 seed most of the year until their second All Star went out with an injury. The top 6 (maybe 7?) are under contract for this year and the following 2 years. I think (and un-objectively hope, I admit) that good teams with continuity can be good for years. I think they belong near the top of the list, probably behind Denver.
@@cadrollhunting3564 Naz Reid and Nickeil Alexander Walker are both young ascending talents under team friendly deals. Between those two and the two you state (Jaden and Ant) there is still upside and improvement from four key contributors in MIN. Dallas have less “upside” from talent improvement. Luka is unquestionably the best talent between the two rosters but it’s hard to see his talent taking too much more of a leap. He’s close to already at the best version of himself. Really we’re talking about Lively as the best “talent” upside and then upside from Gafford better learning the system. In summary, I think they have more upside from organic growth. RE: KAT. Last year, coming off injury, he was probably at rock bottom for trade value. They were not getting a haul for him. But this year he was returned to All-Star form (based, importantly, on coach not fan voting). He absolutely has real trade value if the Wolves need to move on from him for cap reasons (it won’t be a Gobert/Durant type haul but I think they could get similar to Lillard who is also on a super bad contract and much much older and close to the end than KAT). And so even if you don’t like KAT, I’d argue they have better assets than Dallas - they are already ahead standings and eyeball test and could recoup some draft picks from jettisoning KAT
Not really but they can win multiple more rings over 6 years...maybe 3....okc ain't doing it neither is san antonio...it should be after this year going forward the next 7 years maybe then it's a real debate
There are plenty of teams with a young core including OKC, Minnesota, Houston, Utah, and San Antonio. Right now Memphis has no cap space, uncertainty with their best player and are trending downwards. Denver is an established contender, and OKC + Minnesota are young teams who are in much better shape. Factor in that San Antonio + Dallas have generational stars in Wemby and Luka and it makes no sense to include Memphis in this conversation.
The worst will probably be the Warriors, Clippers, and Blazers. I don't think the Blazers will ever be anything other than mid with their current young guys and they rarely get great free agents. The Clippers are doomed for having put all their chips in on Kawhi and PG. The Warriors are likely just gonna sink slowly with Steph and revert back to what they were before the Splash Bros rose up in 2014. Best are the Thunder, Wolves, and Mavs. Just based on the ages and health of their proven stars. Wemby right now is too young, Zion is injury prone and I'd like to see if he can maintain his weight at a healthy level, Ja remains to be seen, Jokic is getting into his 30s and I don't see him playing till age 35 due to his true passion being outside of basketball.
If we going 10 years its san antonio but if we go 8 its probably okc.....5 including this playoffs i go denver....interesting excercise...6.5 is probably denver by a hair over okc....in the east its way less fun...the only teams i see with a 5 year future is whoever has giannis and tatum i guess....maybe embiid for say 3 years and maybe if banchero is still in the east he's got a shot with a real team like miami for the next 7 years
Western Conference Teams with the best chance over the next 6 Years; 1. Denver 2. Memphis 3. OKC 4. Wolves 5. San Antonio Western Conference Teams with the Worst Next 6 Years; 5. Mavs 4. Clippers 3. Jazz 2. GSW 1. Lakers Fight me! Edit for the dummies who didn’t know this was just Western Conference.
The Pistons got to be on your top worst list, as a pistons fan who watches night in and night out, (seen better Junior High basketball) Cades a bust, Ivey is average, might have something with Duran but he’s no Jokic, bottom 3 record for next 6 years from Detroit.
People like you are always pushing the goal post. I bet at the beginning of the season it was slow your roll until they get into playoffs, now it’s first round, what’s next? Slow your roll until you see a finals? Just let fans enjoy their team being good
Pelicans have a better chance to win a title in the next six years than the Spurs?! I’m with Bill, they’re #2 after Denver. Talent wins championships and the Spurs will have one of the best if not the best player in the league within a few seasons.
As a Pels fan, unless Zion is consistent with his fitness and develops a jumpshot he won’t be very good at 29 years old. But between Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, and Jordan Hawkins we have a baseline for true superstars to thrive in imo. BI would be 32 at that point no idea if he stays that consistent that long
Please ask Van (who I love) to do some homework and listen to Dominque, Dr. J, Gary Payton, Ewing, and on and on that Larry was a bad ass black HOF and top ten player of all time and not “The greatest version of a white guy back then…” That take and perspective was as myopic as Vans outfits.
Had to post here because only on podcast right now..come on Bill, I know he’s your boy, and he’s great, love his content, but that take is ignorant…Bird passed, played defense, drove hard and finished fancy with a French lick. Van that ish is sloppy. Get real.
1 OKC 2 Minn 3 Spurs 4 Denver because Malone proved last year he doesn't care about his players in the playoffs...Jokic was exhausted vs Lakers - Jokic won't age well 5 NYK 6 Charlotte 7 Boston 8 Nola 9 Sac 10 Hou
The Memphis disrespect is GLARING. Been a 2 (!) seed already, with all main players improving at their position on the court, with new young guys that are showing tremendous upside and controlling all their draft picks and then some. Ja needs to get his act together for sure, but other teams have shenanigans of a different type (Zion, Kyrie, not comparing em but also potential distractions). Here's hoping Memphis keeps their nose clean and uses this as needed fuel.
Still the same organisation that gave away Harden for pennies on a dollar and couldn't keep Durant! Until I see the owners giving the green light for some expensive extension, I don't trust this team!
I would love to see what Wemby could do with a healthy career....Sadly he just won't. Everyone his size ppl say imagine what he'll do when if he stays healthy. He's s amazing I hope he's the exemption to how the human body works. Prove your an alien and stay healthy Victor!
They haven't made a conference finals in the Ja Era. How can they be top 3 no question? Denver has actually won a title, OKC + Minnesota have young cores with more talent, and Wemby + Luka are generational talents you can't count out. Memphis is 6th at best.
Nuggets? 6 years? Jokic glazing is just mind numbing. Murray cant stay healthy while young. Who can possibly expect good health in the future. The moment Gordon loses half a step he wont be as effective guarding two positions at once to cover for Jokic. MPJ has shown little progress. 6 years? They would be contenders for a while, for sure, but OKCs future looks much more enticing with grow in the horizon. Nuggets? 6 years? No way
Do you watch the games? Mpj has gotten way better. Jokic glazing is deserved. Maybe if you understand basketball you'd see why he's the best player in the world.
@@Joemama72096 I watch and thats why I know Jokic sucks at defense. And MPJ is not better (maybe at team defense). I already said interestings things (about the future, so those are opinions, not facts) while you wasted time just to say "you dont know ball" in too many words, which is typically what gamers that watch 1 game a month but play 300 online, say. Congrats
@@Edd_LShoreDenver had a 111 defensive rating in the playoffs last year. They were 15th in defense last year, 10th this year. When you have the best playoff offense that is plenty good enough Jokic is a limited defender, not a bad defender. There's a difference. Because of their scheme, coaching, length/size and collective intelligence they can (and do) protect him. Plus he's the best rebounder in the NBA which helps their defense, he doesn't foul, he gets back as well as any center in the NBA and he uses kicked balls to avoid giving up the most dangerous passes. And he's on his way to being the best offensive player of all time so the glazing is kind of deserved. If you double him, it's an open three or layup and if you play straight up he scores 65% of the time. He's unstoppable. Murray has been healthy for two years now. He had one bad injury. This isn't an Embiid situation where he's hurt every single spring and is injury prone. And how is Chet any different? He can't stay healthy when young so you can you expect him to stay healthy moving forward, right? (And a lisfranc injury for a 7'1" guy actually is more concerning long term than an ACL for a guy who isn't particularly explosive and relies on craft and skill to score over athleticism. Though I wouldn't consider either player high risk.) Porter IS an injury risk but they are probably going to trade him in the next two years. They already have a Gordon replacement in Watson. Replacing KCP is a question but he's the kind of guy who will be good until he's 35 because he's in such good shape. In six years you'd bet on OKC, but FOR the next six years? Denver is a title favorite *today* OKC still needs to find a fifth starter; has real roster construction issues (they can't rebound and their best wing defender is 6'5"); and a huge part of what makes them good is their turnover margin, but that advantage shrinks as you play better teams. OKC is like a really nice forgery at the moment. The closer you look, the more there is not to like. Of course they are also 1-2 trades away from being an inner circle contender and have the assets to make those trades. Picking OKC over Denver is like when all the GM's picked KAT over AD
@@michaelahurt not reading all that. To clarify. Jokic is on a GOAT path. And if I exagerate a bit with his defense is to contrast the absurd "numbers say hes actually positive, so he is" idiocy. He has quick hands, amazing def IQ (well, IQ) and hes strong and in great shape. But considering the absurd media (and fanboys) glazing about how good he is, I go a bit harder than I should.
The Hayward trade just shows you.... OKC would never win a title. They just don't care about that. They are cheap and want to maximize proffits. That's it.
They traded Harden because they didn't want to Amnesty Kendrick Perkins. They wouldn't have even had to pay the Luxury Tax. Presti and their coach are amazing, but the Owners are some of the worst in the NBA.
Anyone saying OKC or Hou, win a damn playoff series first. Both franchises have been tanking for a decade while Denver has been building a perennial championship contender.
Denver have too many injury concerns to be picked 1st on this list, Murray gets injured every year and you can't bet on MPJ to be healthy the next 6 years.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 ??? He already did. You're acting like he tore his ACL 3 weeks ago not 3 years ago. Did you watch a different playoffs than the rest of us last year?
I wouldn't pick Denver first. As good as they are and not old, they are already there and it's hard to keep up 6 more years. Jokic should age well but he could also again become terrible on defense as he grows older (he is not now). For Denver it depends how much they can rejuvenate their core with complementing young blood in the future (and keep players like Peyton Watson) . It should be some super young team that is underrated now, but could explode in next 1-2y and become true contender. So, OKC or Orlando.
Stop talking up Jalen Green. He is Clarkson 2.0. Year 3 and still has not improved one stat category on his resume. He plays for the money. Not to win. Inefficient as heck chucker.
There is a problem with those 9 draft picks. OKC cant use them. They have to create 9 roster spaces. And give them playing time to develop. They have to dump many players they now have. Thier top 3 will eventually make $30 M per year ( not long) so they wont have money to pay those future pics, if some of them develop into stars. The system , with roster and salary limits, makes it very hard to build a super team. It takes great management and some good luck. Get 3 up and coming players and develop them. Like Golden State did. Hope they all develop into stars that mesh together. Count on the teams that have good young players now. Not on what they might get in future drafts. That makes Den, Min, and OKC the teams of the future. San Antonio is speculative because it depends on thier draft. OKC cant improve their team much, maybe add a 4th star in the draft or in a trade. But they become cap limited. Den is in a good position because they have young tallent around Joker. With Min its all about Edwards. They have young talent and star veteran talent around him. Few draft picks but they dont need to add much talent, if any at all. They are more likely to let Gobert leave, than KAT, because Naz Reid can replace him. without the top Defense, but they are solid without Gobert. Between those 3 teams...they will dominate the NBA west for years. Management skill is everything, and Min has Tim Connaly and new owners that will spend the bucks.
I wouldn't want to stay in SAS either, they will nickle and dime you into taking less + they're anti star building, they want a quiet guy to stfu and play team ball and go under the radar.
OKC is tied w/ Denver this yr but in next 6 yrs Den will be better? Lol. Murray, MP3, Gordon are all injury prone. The Spurs are one of the worse run org in organization in NBA. Popovich rubs African Americans the wrong way(Kawhi. D.Murray).Chet by himself will be almost as good in Jokic in 2 yrs. JDub will be a SuperStar next yr. C.Wallace will be a star. They have the best GM in NBA, one of the best young Coaches, a new Bldg & 200 1st rd picks & plenty of cap space.
I love how progressively tired Ryen is getting of Bills shit 😂😂 not seriously but Bill is the king of coming up with fun exercises and Ryen just finds them more and more ridiculous 😂
Bill loves making any list possible
Watching his predictions in the old NBA previews is really fun. He's great at making content.
and we like that haha
BEST PART of Ryen getting cooking on his own channel and own pod is that he can LAUGH IN BILL'S FACE when he says dumb shit haha it's happening more and more and I, for one, am absolutely here for it.
Or, they're good friends, obviously.
Stop being sensible and level headed John.
Yes the only person at the ringer that will call bill out on Bs lol
You may want to be OKC in six years... but for right now it's absolutely Denver. Even if Denver declines towards the end of that span, getting 3-4 legitimate title shots from a team that demonstrated it's built for the playoffs is going to be hard to match for anyone across the six years.
nuggets arent anywhere nears as good as u think, u will find this out this playoffs, they had the easiest run to a championship arguably ever
lol betting against a team vs the field is like not a brave or prophetic take. There’s been only 3 short eras where certain all time great teams could be counted to win vs the entire field in the last 50 years. This is the same BS Nick Wright did with his Jokic takes. Easy to make a name betting against a player because even Jordan ended his season a loser more often than winning.
@@OMG-si3wnyou must be embiid or giannis fan, they are that stupid. If you are better watch swimming, basketball is not for you
@@OMG-si3wn I'm coming back to your comment after the playoffs to watch you grovel and cry.
@@Peanutdenverhate to tell u, ur gonna be the one groveling when they dont even make the finals
This time last year Bill was giving the Wolves a eulogy
It looked like Golbert was regressing it was fair he was just hurt
I thought wolves looked toast especially round the Anderson fight. But they had a competitive series with Denver and they were one of the only teams to steal a win from Denver in the playoffs
I'm a wolves fan but honestly i probably gotta choose OKC. I think J-Dub is going to be special alongside their other two rising stars. And lots of draft picks to add to that.
Agreed. J-Dub scares me more than SGA long term
wolves future with ant and mcdaniels looks bright. i’m very happy to have 2 great perimeter defenders on the team for years to come
I’m a Nuggets fan and the Wolves stress me out most in the west. OKC is a close second.
Brooklyn fans just going through it rn
It's me, I'm Brooklyn fans
I can't believe you guys have now gone through it 3 times in the past decade. First with KG and Pierce, then the Harden and Kyrie situation, now Simmons.
Why did Brooklyn trade away KD with FOUR YEARS REMAINING?! I haven’t heard a real answer in 2 years!!!
@@THE_BEAR_JEW I dunno man. I'd even take DLo and Kenny Atkinson back, yeah we weren't amazing or even great but we at least had good vibes, this is just depressing
Timberwolves:
- Anthony Edwards: 22yr phenom, averaging 26/5/5 with ELITE defense. Also has that “it” factor and killer instinct
- Jaden McDaniels: 23yr elite perimeter defender and a great corner 3 shooter. He’s a competitive edge to him too
- NAW: SGA’s cousin (lol), 25yr, elite defender off the bench and is your typical 3&D player that holds many intangibles
- Naz Reid: Naz “Naz Reid” Reid. 24yr. Might be the best backup center/PF in basketball (sorry portis). Fan favorite electric 6th Man
-Minnesota is becoming somewhat of a fun marketbable team and Ant alone could bring in a few star FA’s.
- Don’t be afraid of Minnesota’s salary issues. They ain’t gonna be running KAT and Gobert back forever
-New ownership. A-Rod / Marc Lori are fantastic owners
Gobert is in 3rd year of a 5 year contract. That's not bad. Trade KAT at the same time and land some good players. People are going to be lining up to play with Ant. (And though most people don't know it, MIN is cold as hell but actually higher quality of life than most midwestern cities and low cost of living. Take it without hesitation over MIL, CHI, CLE or even PHI, which is not midwest.)
@@David-iv6jethere's not a single player who would pick Minnesota over Chicago for lifestyle.
@@David-iv6je its not even that cold anymore. Those 2 week long below zero stretches dont happen often anymore. This year we never really got below zero and there was no snow. Most days had highs in the 30's with a few breakout 50 degree days. Thats not anything at all really.
This is another IN six years team not FOR the next six years team. Ant is realistically 5 years away from being at his peak and another 3 away from his prime.
It's a big reason why people didn't really love the Gobert trade. By the time Ant is ready to win a title Rudy will be 36.
@@TS-ce5st I'm just saying it's not the shitty destination many think it is. But you're right, players gonna be players. The MSP downtown is a ghost town.
Maybe it depends on if they want to win. Guys who want a hoppin city are less likely to win.
What about Memphis?
Can you guys do one with house and Waz where all 3 come with 2 abnormal stats for a player who is not in the limelight or not known for the area in which the stat is. Like dearon fox is 3rd in nba in steals with 2+ per game which is abnormal for him.
Bruh Memphis not even getting mentioned once in this is WILD. They were 2nd in the west the last 2 years before their historically bad injury luck this season. Ja, JJJ, and Bane have a yet to hit their prime, and they've shown a knack for being able to find good players late in the draft. They should be right near the top of this list
I'm a Denver fan I agree with you that Memphis has a big upside looking towards the future. My only concern is Ja, will he walk a straight line or is he bound to make some more stupid mistakes off court? I hope it's the former.
Their best player can't get his life together off the court, then comes back and has a season ending injury. SGA, Wemby, Luka and Ant are all better than him long term and don't have injury/off court BS to deal with. Zion and Ingram plus the picks is better than Memphis. Not hard to comprehend. Bill mentioning Houston and Utah over Memphis is a bit wild though
A grown man owning a gun in a country that has more guns than people is an example of someone who can't get his life together off the court?!?!? Jamal Murray tore his ACL and basically missed two playoffs back to back yet he recovered just fine yet Ja hurts his shoulder and it's the first time a player has ever gotten injured?? What would OKC record be right now if SGA only played 9 games this season and also back in January, Jalen Williams had a grade 3 ankle sprain that caused him to miss 2 months, and also two days before Jalen got hurt Lou Dort messed up his finger that caused him to miss the rest of the season? What would OKC's record be right now?!?!?!? 😂😂
@@jonathans8760 I think what he’s referring to with the “get his life together” is that the nba has contract provisions like players can’t ride a motorcycle, go skiing, or, say, flash guns on social media, ja knew that, and broke the rules anyway, even though it cost him hundred of millions of dollars. Plus there’s the whole, beat up at teenager at his house then stuck a gun in his face thing. Don’t want to speak for him though but that would be my assumption. Bane and JJJ are outstanding though and that should have merited more consideration on this list, certainly more than the NOP
And the fact that they've unearthed and secured two gems in Vince Williams Jr. and GG Jackson for peanuts while also having a lotto pick next season raises their ceiling a lot.
People really underestimate the rebounding issue for OKC. It's really freaking hard to beat good teams in the playoffs if they constantly get 10-12 more shots and that's not an issue that just goes away.
Maybe they'll be so good on offense it doesn't matter but they are shooting 39% on theees and 83% on FT. How much better can they reasonably get?
Filling that fourth spot is actually very tricky because what they need is pretty rare and in demand. A big wing who can do all the guard/playmaking stuff but can defend big wings, rebound and is preferably a lob and/or shooting threat on offense.
Healthy Ben Simmon is ideal. Maybe Jarace Walker, Jalen Johnson, Ausar, Avdija, Scottie Barnes, Franz.
They needed to go get Stephen Adams or Andre Drummond
@@thebigwagyu Have you watched them on offense? Those guys don't exactly fit what they do.
Adams I like lot more than Drummond. Adams is good enough defensively you could justify moving Chet to the wing to play the Rob Williams role and Adams is such a good and smart screener he'd be able to figure out ways to contribute. If you leave him he's either going to 1) make himself available for a dump off 2) get an offensive rebound or 3) run a handoff for one the guards to get an open three. Plus he's strong enough to guard Jokic and Embiid.
But that assumes he can bounce back physically. He may well be a step too slow once we returns. And even if he isn't, he's more of a 20-25 minute guy not a 'one of your five in the last five minutes of game 7' guy. They should try to acquire him if the price is low but they still need a big athletic 6'9" 220 pound wing.
Drummond just no. That works on 2k, not irl. He gets in the way on offense and if he were a good enough defender to justify kicking Chet to the wing or could guard wings then Chicago would be a 50 win team. Hard pass
@@michaelahurt I was just talking about a cheap, big body off the bench that could spell Chet over the course of a 7 game series. By no means is Andre Drummond the missing piece to a championship team, but I doubt the asking price would’ve been that much (especially with the embarrassment of riches that OKC has in the draft)
They’re trading for Mikal Bridges this offseason
@@christopheryu1036 Doesn't fix their problem.
And Brooklyn isn't trading Bridges.
They have no incentive to be bad because they don't own their own picks. It only makes sense to trade him if he demanded a trade.
They want to trade for a star to pair WITH Bridges (and Claxton and Cam and DFS.) Imagine that team with Luka. Or even Booker or Mitchell.
Gotta be Denver and OKC. Nuggets have only a single key player over 30 and that's KCP at 31. Almost all their starters and rotation guys are 27 or younger. Jokic just turned 29. Barring injury they'll be contending every year. OKC is a no brainer, particularly with all the assets they have to play with. Definitely not the Wolves. People keep talking about them as a 'young team' but they aren't. And their salary cap situation is about to become a disaster along with the fact that they have zero assets to help them improve.
If they trade Kat for assets, then they have a shot
Spurs
@pinbnoarbecue1100 no one wants to pay kat and the wolves owner is an idiot
No grizzle mention is insane
Why? Memphis isn't a destination that free agents want to go and the team doesn't have the best management. Add on Ja's status is kinda up in the air at the moment with his injury.
After that 40-20-7. Give me the Spurs & Wemby.
I think denver makes sense cause they may win 2 titles over the next 3 years...okc is next cause they can win the title...the wolves are probably 3rd cause they can win..spurs may make a finals one day over 6 years but a title seems unlikely...they are 4th but if we go 12 years they may be 1st
Jokic should age well. But part of aging well is loving the game and staying in shape
He does love the game and his conditioning is great so yeah, Jokic is going to age well
@@TheMilapMehta he literally said otherwise
Watch Jokic and MPJ pod. Jokic and the nuggets are addicted to winning. He isn’t going to drop off anytime soon.
@@imaginezzz2922When?
The caveat is that Jokic can still ball even when out of shape. Obviously better when he’s in top form but he’s going to age like Tim Duncan
Bill loves the sac kings 💜
Nuggets have Braun, Watson, Pickett, Tyson who could all be baseline 15 minute games. Except Watson, who will replace KCP.
Wolves. They’re a mix of young stars and vets right now. As long as they keep Ant, Jaden, Naz, NAW, and develop Clark and Miller, they’ll be contenders for a long time. Excited to see who they’ll be able to get in FA too when Gobert and KAT’s contracts expire
No one wants to play for that owner in that city
@@razkable This. Ant is gonna be a superstar, maybe THE superstar, but who knows if he'll stay. That franchise is so toxic historically and they still have the same douchebag in ownership. He'll find a way to fuck it up. And it ain't like it's in a city that young millionare athletes want to live in...
Couldn’t agree more on the ownership, if anyone can eff up what they have going on it’s Taylor.
Spurs at two!!?? I don't agree, but I kinda want to.
San Antonio over OKC is 🍌's
Okc is the 2nd youngest team in the league btw. With 16 frp
Give me OKC easy.
The picks make you think so. But don't forget the Curse of the Sasquatch. It won't be over until all the former Sonics have retired. KD, Westbrook and Uncle Jeff green. OKC is toast until those guys have all shut it down. Don't blame me. It's the Curse of the Sasquatch.
@@David-iv6je Its not the picks. Everyone keeps saying that. Even if they had zero picks they would have a shot at being 1st in this. This team's core is all 25 and under and they are fighting for 1 seed in a brutal West with 2 of their 3 best players being a rookie and a sophomore. They have a legit big 3 with all of them having legit superstar potential.
On top of that they will have 35 million in cap space this summer which is 4th most in the league. Having a million picks is just a cherry on top.
Nobody in their right mind should have anyone but OKC 1st in this. I think Simmons is just trolling to get reactions. Having Spurs above them just because of Wembanyama, who by the way is leading them to a worse record than last year, is ludicrous.
@@David-iv6jeharden
Meh the nuggets may win 2 more titles...okc would be lucky to get 1....jokic is also perfect so...
@@razkable Harden was drafted by OKC. Not subject to the Curse of the Sasquatch.
40-10-10 is insane😂😂
I can see it for sure. Only 25 years old, prime is 27-32. He has time to get up to 40/10/10 or at least 38/10/12
Bills wrong, the thunder were in the luxury for a while around 2016. Everyone remembers that harden time, but that hasn’t happened since
2016 2019 2020...they spend
Lets draft the top 13 teams in the league for the next 4 & 1/4 years
I'm not 100% sure that the Spurs say no to that deal. Luka is barely in his mid-twenties and is leading the league in scoring. They probably do say no but they don't say it right away. I love the idea of Victor having Kyrie passing him the ball.
You don't understand how much SA loves Wemby. Luka is a great individual talent but his heliocentric style doesn't translate to wins and the Spurs roster is absolute shit--Luka would not fit at all in an ass rebuilding situation. If you asked everyone in the Spurs organization, I don't think a single person would pick Luka over Wemby. Wemby could be the best player of his generation like Jordan or LeBron. Peak Luka right now isn't even a top 3 MVP candidate.
@@slightexagThe Spurs would immediately take Luka, it is an obvious choice. You still have the "helocentric" offense stuck in your mind, even though that immediately stopped once Luka had better pieces around him since the deadline, it was a necassity, not who Luka is. Sure, Wemby could be the best player in his generation, if he stays healthy (which is still unlikely) and manages to develop into an efficient offensive player.
Luka already is clearly the best player from his generation and still has a legitimate shot to become at least a top 5 player of all time, especially if you consider that his ceiling is propably a 40/10/10 season, which never happened in history.
Luka is not a top 3 MVP candidate because the standings play a much bigger role in that regard than they used to, it has become a team award to some extend. That does not change the fact that Luka has pretty clearly been the best player in the NBA this season, there might be an argument for Jokic, but nobody can seriously argue that SGA or Giannis came close to Luka this season.
@@slightexag Luka would actually be in a better situation if he was with a team with a ton of future picks. I did say that I think they would not accept the trade so chill.
@@cadrollhunting3564no chance SA takes Luka. that's a presentism bias. the team is in a rebuild. why would you want an established, ball-dominant star? He can barely lead a mediocre team to the playoffs; why would him having a worse cast around him be good for anyone? Wemby for Luka makes no sense and overstates Luka's value compared to Wemby's potential. Wemby's offensive and defensive potential over the course of 10 years gives me and literally everyone in SA more hope than Luka's present game.
@@slightexagPotential is one thing, but can that potential be fullfilled, especially with the huge health issues players of that seize usually have? As much as Wemby has shown defensively, i think we can at least agree that Luka has a much higher offensive ceiling than Wemby does. Luka also took a terrible team to the WCF in 2022, that team was not much better than what wemby has around him now. I get that Wemby would be the pick if everything goes ideally, but it usually does not, Luka though will be at least a top 5 player consistently for the next 10ish seasons.
I can understand the points being made about denver,okc,houston even but man I love the pelicans roster.They got so many gutsy,play right now young guys on that team it's crazy to downplay them.We gotta remember Ingram is still only 26,zion only 23, and alot of their other young guys are 26 or way younger but already can play and be relied on.If zion actually buys into new orleans as a real home that team will be serious for years to come
The only sure teams for the next half decade in the West are Denver (best player in the league in Jokic plus a strong core) and OKC (SGA plus young studs plus tons of picks). The others all have just 1 star plus a lot of problems and bad habits. Simmons's obsession with Wemby is a bit laughable--he's a great talent, but he won't be enough. Say he's Duncan--where are San Antonio's Ginobli, Parker, Robinson, Bowen, et al.? It's a team game, and not even the GOATs could win championships on their own--not Jordan, not Magic, not Bird, not Kobe, not Curry.
OKC is locked for the next 10 years
10 I might say san antonio...12 for sure spurs
I wouldn’t have them at the top of this list, but the Mavs have a lot of youth too. Among their rotation players, only Kyrie and Tim Hardaway are over 30. Luka, Gafford, Lively, Green, PJ, etc are all 25 or younger and signed multiple years rn.
Easily the Nuggets. I'm not even a fan of them. But I'm a fan of beautiful basketball, and they play it. There are so many teams that showed great promise but disbanded before getting a championship and fully realizing their potential. The Durant-Westbrook-Harden Thunder come to mind. The T-Wolves are a ton of fun, but they're fragile. I'd rather play beautiful basketball with Jokic for as long as possible. And my second choice would be the Lakers, because I'd play with LeBron for as long as possible, even if he doesn't win the championship. Then the Spurs might have some staying power, if Wemby can stay healthy.
I like Bill’s takes, I usually agree. But Rudy for MIP makes no sense. He had a bounce back year and back to who he was. He didn’t improve
Don't understand how Luka is some how already underrated, Luka is a top-3 player &I don't get it but it seems like Luka &Kyrie actually get along &Kyrie can always be traded out for new talent. Mavs have the guard positions on lock &their big-man rotation is on lock for the next 3-yrs as well
Love how the internet just switched-up on Jalen Green, not one of them gave him any love the past two seasons, they all said the Rockets should give up on him. Hell many of them laughed at Green this season; in 2024 people were still clowning him. I hope he holds every podcast, YT and TNT/NBATV person accountable.
Colby white most improved is probably a better case.
The Luka and Mavs disrespect is crazy. The Mavs have Luka for the next 4 years and Kyrie on a team friendly deal for the next 3 seasons, same goes for Gafford and Washington, lively is on a rookie deal the next 4 seasons. Since the deadline, they have been one of the best teams in the NBA, despite having a very limited time to gel together and they have plenty of room to improve next season just by moving the THJ, Powell and green contracts and find better pieces to surround their core that is locked in for a few years. I understand having okc on top of the mavs in a ranking like that, but thats it.
Also, if you offer the Spurs a Luka/Wemby swap right now, the spurs would immediately take Luka and laugh in the Mavs faces for Generations, how is that even a question and how can you come to the conclusion they would take Wemby?
Is it disrespect? Everything you’ve said about the Mavs upside of this roster is true. And yet the future for all these teams that Russillo and Bill listed is equally bright. Hard to argue the others don’t have a better upside for the next six years when you consider that (aside from SAS) they are all already ahead of Dallas (at least standings-wise) and all have more draft capital other than Minnesota who have similar. Mavs have no tradeable picks to speak of. They’re already all in with this squad and aren’t a top 4 seed
Like things change from year to year so this could be immediately wrong. But as it stands it’s not an obvious case of “disrespect”
Aside from the Spurs where I think Bill is putting way too much faith in one single guy and some hope I dunno who else you could make the case for as definitely objectively have a worse outlook than Dallas. You can easily make the case for MIN, OKC, DEN, NO
@@jamespratt7526I am especially struggling with the MIN take. Other than ANT and maybe mcdaniels, there is just not much long term upside. Rudy works better than expected, but he is still massively overpaid and almost 32. KAT is the bigger problem here as his contract will be a serious roadblock. It is one of, if not the worst contract in the league that will be very hard to move and without moving that contract there is almost no path to improvement.
@@cadrollhunting3564I don’t know…the wolves had been the 1 seed most of the year until their second All Star went out with an injury. The top 6 (maybe 7?) are under contract for this year and the following 2 years. I think (and un-objectively hope, I admit) that good teams with continuity can be good for years. I think they belong near the top of the list, probably behind Denver.
Utterly delusional. The Spurs would laugh and hang up the phone. Wemby was made for the Spurs.
@@cadrollhunting3564 Naz Reid and Nickeil Alexander Walker are both young ascending talents under team friendly deals. Between those two and the two you state (Jaden and Ant) there is still upside and improvement from four key contributors in MIN.
Dallas have less “upside” from talent improvement. Luka is unquestionably the best talent between the two rosters but it’s hard to see his talent taking too much more of a leap. He’s close to already at the best version of himself. Really we’re talking about Lively as the best “talent” upside and then upside from Gafford better learning the system.
In summary, I think they have more upside from organic growth.
RE: KAT. Last year, coming off injury, he was probably at rock bottom for trade value. They were not getting a haul for him. But this year he was returned to All-Star form (based, importantly, on coach not fan voting). He absolutely has real trade value if the Wolves need to move on from him for cap reasons (it won’t be a Gobert/Durant type haul but I think they could get similar to Lillard who is also on a super bad contract and much much older and close to the end than KAT). And so even if you don’t like KAT, I’d argue they have better assets than Dallas - they are already ahead standings and eyeball test and could recoup some draft picks from jettisoning KAT
Memphis should at least be top 5. It’s hard to beat already having a big 3
OKC💯
Denver is definitely repeating this year so who is 2nd?
Not.
Celts gon take it
The Nuggets, no question. The core is just entering into their prime.
Not really but they can win multiple more rings over 6 years...maybe 3....okc ain't doing it neither is san antonio...it should be after this year going forward the next 7 years maybe then it's a real debate
Memphis out of sight out of mind I guess.
They don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore haha
Ja is an issue but top 6 is fair for them....they have been out of sight this year and injuries can ruin a run
Why is no one ripping Brooklyn for trading KD? He’d be under contract for years still and at least could attract guys to play with him.
Thunder or Dallas!
❤
No Memphis with this young core
And a lottery pick next season
There are plenty of teams with a young core including OKC, Minnesota, Houston, Utah, and San Antonio. Right now Memphis has no cap space, uncertainty with their best player and are trending downwards.
Denver is an established contender, and OKC + Minnesota are young teams who are in much better shape. Factor in that San Antonio + Dallas have generational stars in Wemby and Luka and it makes no sense to include Memphis in this conversation.
Yeahhh I was waiting for Memphis to be named :/
The worst will probably be the Warriors, Clippers, and Blazers. I don't think the Blazers will ever be anything other than mid with their current young guys and they rarely get great free agents. The Clippers are doomed for having put all their chips in on Kawhi and PG. The Warriors are likely just gonna sink slowly with Steph and revert back to what they were before the Splash Bros rose up in 2014.
Best are the Thunder, Wolves, and Mavs. Just based on the ages and health of their proven stars. Wemby right now is too young, Zion is injury prone and I'd like to see if he can maintain his weight at a healthy level, Ja remains to be seen, Jokic is getting into his 30s and I don't see him playing till age 35 due to his true passion being outside of basketball.
Wemby is easier to build around than Luka and the Timberwolves will always be the Timberwolves. Wouldn't want them over the Spurs.
Ok boomer
Mavs are messed up if Luka leaves Dallas
All western conference teams
If we going 10 years its san antonio but if we go 8 its probably okc.....5 including this playoffs i go denver....interesting excercise...6.5 is probably denver by a hair over okc....in the east its way less fun...the only teams i see with a 5 year future is whoever has giannis and tatum i guess....maybe embiid for say 3 years and maybe if banchero is still in the east he's got a shot with a real team like miami for the next 7 years
It would be the Pistons if the draft was like any other sport. Cade, Wemby, Ivey, and Duren would be sick.
Pels at 4 is an insane take with the spurs grizz mavs and rockets on the board...3 years maybe sure...6 hell no
the correct choice for #1 team is the Spurs. Wemby is probably the best player I have ever seen
Must not have watched many games then.
Dallas not being on the list with Luka who might be the best in the world at some point is hilarious.
They don't like luka...
Bro literally jinxed wenby 😂😂😂😂😂
Western Conference Teams with the best chance over the next 6 Years;
1. Denver
2. Memphis
3. OKC
4. Wolves
5. San Antonio
Western Conference Teams with the Worst Next 6 Years;
5. Mavs
4. Clippers
3. Jazz
2. GSW
1. Lakers
Fight me!
Edit for the dummies who didn’t know this was just Western Conference.
Mavs have Luka
The Pistons got to be on your top worst list, as a pistons fan who watches night in and night out, (seen better Junior High basketball) Cades a bust, Ivey is average, might have something with Duran but he’s no Jokic, bottom 3 record for next 6 years from Detroit.
You forgot that Washington DC has an NBA team? Understandable but still....
If you swap Memphis and the Mavs in your two lists, they would actually be somewhat decent :)
Lakers always get stars.
OKC fans need to slow their roll and wait until they get out of the first round first…
People like you are always pushing the goal post. I bet at the beginning of the season it was slow your roll until they get into playoffs, now it’s first round, what’s next? Slow your roll until you see a finals? Just let fans enjoy their team being good
True...they haven't won a playoff game since the bubble ...and a series since kd...
Do the East!
Simple...whatever teams giannis and tatum are on...
Pelicans have a better chance to win a title in the next six years than the Spurs?! I’m with Bill, they’re #2 after Denver. Talent wins championships and the Spurs will have one of the best if not the best player in the league within a few seasons.
As a Pels fan, unless Zion is consistent with his fitness and develops a jumpshot he won’t be very good at 29 years old. But between Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, and Jordan Hawkins we have a baseline for true superstars to thrive in imo. BI would be 32 at that point no idea if he stays that consistent that long
Bill trying to give a 30 something center most improved? He’s freaking whacked
What's wrong with that? Younger players are expected to get better. Older players don't often bounce back when they start to slip.
Ant, naz, Jaden and naw disrespect is crazy
OKC should be #1 due to talent, youth and the ability and likelihood to still make a move.
OKC in the wrong era with new CBA salary rules. OKC owners chose not to keep Kd, Russ n Harden, what gonna be diff now?
Please ask Van (who I love) to do some homework and listen to Dominque, Dr. J, Gary Payton, Ewing, and on and on that Larry was a bad ass black HOF and top ten player of all time and not “The greatest version of a white guy back then…”
That take and perspective was as myopic as Vans outfits.
Had to post here because only on podcast right now..come on Bill, I know he’s your boy, and he’s great, love his content, but that take is ignorant…Bird passed, played defense, drove hard and finished fancy with a French lick. Van that ish is sloppy. Get real.
Mavs?
Did bill just say weve never seen okc spend money? Dude they were in the tax for 3 fucking seasons with pg. Smoking crack
1 OKC
2 Minn
3 Spurs
4 Denver because Malone proved last year he doesn't care about his players in the playoffs...Jokic was exhausted vs Lakers - Jokic won't age well
5 NYK
6 Charlotte
7 Boston
8 Nola
9 Sac
10 Hou
Dammit Bill, don't jinx Wemby!!!
Cant win a chip with your guard as your best player unless you have steph. This has been true like for 30 years
Kobe wade jordan magic west parker barry all did it stupid...
OKC end of story
I don’t like the odds of OKC spending money. They walked James Harden out the door over a million or two a year.
I would have walked him out the door over a couple hundred bucks.
SA isn't competitive like other teams. #2 big reach
Memphis
Not taking a futures bet on the LA teams?
Nope.
Luka will team up with Jokic at some point I wager.
The Memphis disrespect is GLARING. Been a 2 (!) seed already, with all main players improving at their position on the court, with new young guys that are showing tremendous upside and controlling all their draft picks and then some. Ja needs to get his act together for sure, but other teams have shenanigans of a different type (Zion, Kyrie, not comparing em but also potential distractions).
Here's hoping Memphis keeps their nose clean and uses this as needed fuel.
Not taking OKC first is insane. Depth, youth, overall talent, ridiculous amounts of assets
maybe next year mate, its nuggy time 😈
I don’t trust pressey for going all in
New cba might screw them
Still the same organisation that gave away Harden for pennies on a dollar and couldn't keep Durant!
Until I see the owners giving the green light for some expensive extension, I don't trust this team!
Boston is #1.
I would love to see what Wemby could do with a healthy career....Sadly he just won't. Everyone his size ppl say imagine what he'll do when if he stays healthy. He's s amazing I hope he's the exemption to how the human body works. Prove your an alien and stay healthy Victor!
He'll be alright
I’m a twolves fan and the obvious answer is okc
Denver you mean
@@razkable okc has a young talented team with a ridiculous amount of picks
@@AnthonySamson-wl3gwdenver wins titles...okc won't win more than 1 with this core if that
Grizzlies are top 3 no question. No mention is insane
They haven't made a conference finals in the Ja Era. How can they be top 3 no question? Denver has actually won a title, OKC + Minnesota have young cores with more talent, and Wemby + Luka are generational talents you can't count out. Memphis is 6th at best.
WEmby's team in france wasn't that good either. they were around .500 iirc
Rudy for most improved is one of the worst takes ever. Man literally hasn’t improved his game . He’s always been this guy in Utah
Nuggets? 6 years?
Jokic glazing is just mind numbing.
Murray cant stay healthy while young. Who can possibly expect good health in the future.
The moment Gordon loses half a step he wont be as effective guarding two positions at once to cover for Jokic.
MPJ has shown little progress.
6 years?
They would be contenders for a while, for sure, but OKCs future looks much more enticing with grow in the horizon.
Nuggets? 6 years? No way
Do you watch the games? Mpj has gotten way better. Jokic glazing is deserved. Maybe if you understand basketball you'd see why he's the best player in the world.
@@Joemama72096 I watch and thats why I know Jokic sucks at defense. And MPJ is not better (maybe at team defense).
I already said interestings things (about the future, so those are opinions, not facts) while you wasted time just to say "you dont know ball" in too many words, which is typically what gamers that watch 1 game a month but play 300 online, say.
Congrats
@@Edd_LShoreDenver had a 111 defensive rating in the playoffs last year. They were 15th in defense last year, 10th this year. When you have the best playoff offense that is plenty good enough
Jokic is a limited defender, not a bad defender. There's a difference.
Because of their scheme, coaching, length/size and collective intelligence they can (and do) protect him. Plus he's the best rebounder in the NBA which helps their defense, he doesn't foul, he gets back as well as any center in the NBA and he uses kicked balls to avoid giving up the most dangerous passes.
And he's on his way to being the best offensive player of all time so the glazing is kind of deserved. If you double him, it's an open three or layup and if you play straight up he scores 65% of the time. He's unstoppable.
Murray has been healthy for two years now. He had one bad injury. This isn't an Embiid situation where he's hurt every single spring and is injury prone.
And how is Chet any different? He can't stay healthy when young so you can you expect him to stay healthy moving forward, right?
(And a lisfranc injury for a 7'1" guy actually is more concerning long term than an ACL for a guy who isn't particularly explosive and relies on craft and skill to score over athleticism. Though I wouldn't consider either player high risk.)
Porter IS an injury risk but they are probably going to trade him in the next two years. They already have a Gordon replacement in Watson. Replacing KCP is a question but he's the kind of guy who will be good until he's 35 because he's in such good shape.
In six years you'd bet on OKC, but FOR the next six years? Denver is a title favorite *today*
OKC still needs to find a fifth starter; has real roster construction issues (they can't rebound and their best wing defender is 6'5"); and a huge part of what makes them good is their turnover margin, but that advantage shrinks as you play better teams.
OKC is like a really nice forgery at the moment. The closer you look, the more there is not to like. Of course they are also 1-2 trades away from being an inner circle contender and have the assets to make those trades.
Picking OKC over Denver is like when all the GM's picked KAT over AD
@@michaelahurt not reading all that.
To clarify. Jokic is on a GOAT path. And if I exagerate a bit with his defense is to contrast the absurd "numbers say hes actually positive, so he is" idiocy. He has quick hands, amazing def IQ (well, IQ) and hes strong and in great shape.
But considering the absurd media (and fanboys) glazing about how good he is, I go a bit harder than I should.
@@Edd_LShore Agree. The people who actually try to say he's as impactful as Wemby, AD, Giannis, etc. -- those people need serious help.
The Hayward trade just shows you.... OKC would never win a title. They just don't care about that. They are cheap and want to maximize proffits. That's it.
They traded Harden because they didn't want to Amnesty Kendrick Perkins. They wouldn't have even had to pay the Luxury Tax.
Presti and their coach are amazing, but the Owners are some of the worst in the NBA.
Anyone saying OKC or Hou, win a damn playoff series first. Both franchises have been tanking for a decade while Denver has been building a perennial championship contender.
Was OKC tanking when they were one win away from the finals in 2015-16? They were also in the playoffs the following four seasons after that.
For San Antonio, they were in the finals in 13-14 season and were in the playoffs the following five seasons
Orlando?
they're in the East
Dallas disrespect is absolutely insane
What about the Blazers? No faith in Simons, Sharpe and Scoot?
No. Not in the West
Denver have too many injury concerns to be picked 1st on this list, Murray gets injured every year and you can't bet on MPJ to be healthy the next 6 years.
Okay and? Jokic is the best player in the world
@@skylertaylor7283Without Murray they aren't going anywhere, they need Murray to return to allstar form to be relevant.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 ???
He already did. You're acting like he tore his ACL 3 weeks ago not 3 years ago. Did you watch a different playoffs than the rest of us last year?
OKC or Houston
Dallas will prove these takes stupid, give me a break 🤦
I wouldn't pick Denver first. As good as they are and not old, they are already there and it's hard to keep up 6 more years. Jokic should age well but he could also again become terrible on defense as he grows older (he is not now). For Denver it depends how much they can rejuvenate their core with complementing young blood in the future (and keep players like Peyton Watson) . It should be some super young team that is underrated now, but could explode in next 1-2y and become true contender. So, OKC or Orlando.
Stop talking up Jalen Green. He is Clarkson 2.0. Year 3 and still has not improved one stat category on his resume. He plays for the money. Not to win. Inefficient as heck chucker.
He's had a great month
Luka is better than Wemby now.
They’re talking the next 6 years. Did you miss that?
Simmons curse. Good luck San Antonio
This makes me sick as a wolves fan.
No Dalllas.
With top 3 player,25 years old.
Ok😅😅😅
There is a problem with those 9 draft picks. OKC cant use them. They have to create 9 roster spaces. And give them playing time to develop. They have to dump many players they now have. Thier top 3 will eventually make $30 M per year ( not long) so they wont have money to pay those future pics, if some of them develop into stars.
The system , with roster and salary limits, makes it very hard to build a super team. It takes great management and some good luck. Get 3 up and coming players and develop them. Like Golden State did. Hope they all develop into stars that mesh together.
Count on the teams that have good young players now. Not on what they might get in future drafts. That makes Den, Min, and OKC the teams of the future. San Antonio is speculative because it depends on thier draft. OKC cant improve their team much, maybe add a 4th star in the draft or in a trade. But they become cap limited.
Den is in a good position because they have young tallent around Joker.
With Min its all about Edwards. They have young talent and star veteran talent around him. Few draft picks but they dont need to add much talent, if any at all. They are more likely to let Gobert leave, than KAT, because Naz Reid can replace him. without the top Defense, but they are solid without Gobert.
Between those 3 teams...they will dominate the NBA west for years. Management skill is everything, and Min has Tim Connaly and new owners that will spend the bucks.
To bad San Antonio hasn't drafted well in a decade and the few good players that they did draft(Kawhi, Murray) didn't want to stay.
It's because of the big ole women in san antonio
White, Murray and Johnson were all 29th picks.
I wouldn't want to stay in SAS either, they will nickle and dime you into taking less + they're anti star building, they want a quiet guy to stfu and play team ball and go under the radar.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 The ugly secret no one wants to talk about is no African American players like Pop...
Then they don't get wemby..glad they let murray go...
If victor was so amazing he would’ve improved the team over last year
You can't polish a turd
Talk yo shit...
OKC is tied w/ Denver this yr but in next 6 yrs Den will be better? Lol. Murray, MP3, Gordon are all injury prone. The Spurs are one of the worse run org in organization in NBA. Popovich rubs African Americans the wrong way(Kawhi. D.Murray).Chet by himself will be almost as good in Jokic in 2 yrs. JDub will be a SuperStar next yr. C.Wallace will be a star. They have the best GM in NBA, one of the best young Coaches, a new Bldg & 200 1st rd picks & plenty of cap space.