New German and French Tanks Revealed!
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A lot of new NATO tanks have been presented recently at the Eurosatory military exhibition in France, and we got to see a lot of innovations and changes to the designs they have presented last time, some good changes and some not so much, but we also got to see quite a lot of new stuff as well.
At the last Eurosatory, it was probably the Rheinmetall’s KF51 Panther that got the most attention, and don’t worry, I will cover it in this video as well. But I first want to talk about what I believe is this year’s star of the show, the EMBT and its ASCALON gun...
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btw, war thunder >
In 2023 Germany together with Spain, Italy and Sweden announced to be working on the successor for the Leopard 2, seperatally from the MGCS.
It remains unclear if the MGCS program is still ongoing and I actually highly doubt it.
Also none of the tanks shown at the expo are currently undergoing a procurement program so these are very unlikely to be the actual replacements...
I hate war thunder and world of tanks, they are both a scam
LOL @ this really poor effort of propaganda. Every one of our tanks, in the west, have been exposed as utterly useless on today's battlefield. They were all claimed to be the "best" by the USA and NATO. LOL, the remains of which, can be found scattered all across the Ukrainian battlefield in pieces, or others being displayed in Moscow to the world, for the outright rubbish they all were. But these new, modern tanks will be better? Hahaha like everything else, then?
But read the uneducated comments from all those, who really believe they're in the know? Hilarious idiocy, filling the threads as always.
I havent played for more than 120 Days but cant activate the Code. Is it not COMBAT for already created Accounts?
My grandchildren's BR decompression is about to get crazy.
Bruhhh
12.7
I agree!
@@HaxorMy 12.7 should honestly already exist. With these new tanks being 13.7 or so.
Theyll play 2.0 with me
"Cool tank there, so when is this army getting this?"
"2040"
💀💀💀
Certify as "BRUH MOMENT"
And Dronеs , dronеs , dronеs .
Average military procurement moment
@@Artofbars2 😳
At the earliest.
We're getting closer and closer to Arma 3 lore day by day
What’s the lore?
And even closer to the blacks ops 2 one.
@@a3cools115 CSAT, The east wind device (jk although I guess that can be a metaphor for technology improving), The art style of vehicles in 2035, Drones, Apex protocol, NATO. Ukraine is like Harvest Red from Arma 2 and more stuff
When will we get super cool Viper Stealth suits or the CSAT's exoskeleton uniform?
It's funny how moderate Arma 3 was on the futurism compared to real life.
Ascalon sounds like a name for one of those Ace Combat fictional super weapons.
“Mobius 1, your mission is straightforward. Destroy Ascalon at all costs. You CANNOT allow it to reach firing strength. Good luck and happy hunting.”
Fr
Ascalon was the weapon used by Saint George to kill the dragon. It is usually shown as a spear but can transform into a sword. The French definitely tried too hard to get an acronym to spell this out (Autoloaded and SCALable Outperforming guN).
@@IntrospectorGeneral They are French, what do you expect :D
Well there's a plane named Vador and a satellite named Yoda.
When people string together awkward words to form an acronym, it's called a "backronym."
As in, they worked backwards from the one result they already wanted.
Gotta give props to the french for that interchangeability between cannons, that's another level of standardization
Even though not mentioned in the video i think all the thanks here can either use the new calibers or a 120.
i think this guns are german
@@mariusrealy9579 not really, the 130mm is a pure rheinmetall concept but the Ascalon 120 and 140mm are KNDS babies so franco-german.
@@mariusrealy9579: The "Ascalon" gun(120 or 140 mm) is French, comes from Nexter now KNDS France.
They fire telescopic shells.
In Germany the gun maker is Rheinemetal and they produce a 130 mm with traditional ammo for their KF51 Panther.
The Rheinmetal gun is just a bigger sized traditional gun whereas Ascalon is a technological breakup.
@@D8141the important aspect of the ASCALON is that it uses the same breach for both.
That means that, according to KNDS, a crew of 4 can change the size of the gun in less than 30 minutes, just needing a crane.
Day 8 asking red effect to talk about the is-7 being restored
im commenting on this to boost the algorithm in your favor.
@@pareidoliack x2
Bonk is stronk
Where?
@@Chris-ql9bu they said the is-7 few months ago was being sent to Patriot park, which they were going to restore it.
Tanks and weapons looking more scifi-ish as time passes
Yhe they do that a shitload on presentations but they do seem to tone down all the fancy looks if it goes into service, look for example at something like the KF 41 Lynx, or Ajax.
THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN!
its only for showing but not for using, and they will be soo expensive none of them will go full production and nato will keep the old tanks designed in the 80s
@@baryonyx9241I think it’s super cool they show off the sci fi stuff
new armored warfare premium battlepass just dropped
that game is so dead now
@@gunmasterx1164 its mostly pve focused now but it ha sits playerbase
Are there any people still playing that game?
@@DraxTheDestroyer i quit playing after i couldn't open it
Gaijin be like : I think I'll be perfect if this super modern tank faces ww2 tanks, yep put it at 6.7
they only do that if it fits thegame unofficial goal wich is to show soviet crap as superior to western/german stuff. Look only how the T-64s cannot meet Leopard 2 A4 in game.
Yeah : ,,Leopard 2 came later into service yada yada yada....." Meanwhile Tiger 2 have to fight T-54 and T55s 🤡
This is the internet not Tokyo.
@@azieldaly2965 Bruh, try find the hint of what op's talking about in the other comments lol
@@Bayofthe91sti think bro confused about "Gaijin"
not everyone plays Warthunder or knows that Gaijin is a game company, so normally Gaijin is a Japanese word
@@i_run_on_headpats exactly lol
Hello red effect, I was at Eurosatory and got to speak with ppl at KNDS, I won't list everything here but just one thing about the new Leclerc, I genuinely think it's the most impressive bc unlike what you said at the end "all of these are tech demonstrators" that's the case for all the tanks yes, but the Leclerc evo isn't, it's been told to me that this is ready to go and the whole point of it was to make a tank with all CURRENT available technology plus the new gun, and therefore that's what you have, and it's genuinely ready for production. Whereas the Leo ARC is kinda unproven concept area and they're more so trying to do what rheinmetal is also doing altho yeah it's still in a good development phase, and well the embt is just not feasible for now and as you rightly said it's for 2040
Did they mention anything about India buying it, I know they showed interest in the Leclerc a few years ago when the T-14 flopped. I figured part of the reason for evolution was export to India
@@wifi_soldier5076 I'm not sure we can export tanks, we don"t produce the chassis and the engine anymore, so we just improve the tanks we already have... I hope we'll change that with the conflicts in the world, and with how the Rafale and the Caesar are successful, I'm sure plenty of coutries would love to buy french tanks
Western weapon manufacturing has really been left to rot. It's really terrible.
Without having seen the video.
The 130mm in the new Panther already provided +50% kinetic energy of the projectiles over even the already improved, longer barreled 120mm smoothbore cannon.
So now 140mm? Dayum.
Also Whats the point about tank caliber more than 120mm, bigger caliber = less ammunition space right.
@@Count_Gustav further range, bigger kaboom.
@@sovieticodiabetico6874 What about the barrel life?
@@moisesezequielgutierrez In fact, better since you need less pressure for the same effect.
Т14 Armata - cannon 152 mm .
italy signed with rheinmetal in order to buy the kf51 panther and the kf41 lynx even tho we dont know which variant
Really?? Is it something official? Nether heard about it. What I’ve heard about was Italy is thinking of buying 250 Leopard 2A7. That was about a year ago, maybe more
@@efrosvovelu9076 italy (Leonardo) wasplanning to buy the leopard 2a8 but the contract with knds didnt go as planned so they went with the kf51
@@efrosvovelu9076 The leopard order was canceled. They negotiate currently with Rheinmetall about the development and manufacturing of a specialized version of the KF41 for Italy - and the lynx. But it shouldn't be signed yet
@@efrosvovelu9076 Not really.
Leonardo and Rheinmetall signed an agreement. The details of such agreement are not known.
We shall see what they'll produce for Italy. It might be a KF51, it might not.
Did they stop the modernization of the Arietes?
One thing you did miss about the Leopard 2A-RC 3.0 (stupid name) is that they designed a double trunnion system for the gun, allowing it to pivot at two separate points. Which should allow for a wider degree of elevation and depression.
But honestly it is a novelty that I don't think any customer would like to pay for, since it is an added complexity without any quick hard benefits like more armour, more penetration, or more speed do.
The name it's because its a demonstrator. It could be a step to the Leopard X or Leopard 2A9
That depends on how far the double trunion extends the arc of the gun. If it extends it up to 60° for example the tank can straight up turn into a makeshift howitzer. That's certainly going to be handy, and will be a capability worth exploring.
Thank you - great info👍 …wasn’t there a naval gun in WW2 that tried this?
It’s not always about armor speed or firepower..
I think it's sad that the tank is in purpose made extra depressed. Tanks a lot life...
Knowing German-French joined projects, this tank will be scrapped, but will be the Base of both nations next MBT. (Leopard 3 A1, Leclerc 30X)
The germans tried hard previously, and now the Rafale sells more than the Eurofighter, french can do anything on their own, even a nuclear powered catobar aircraft carrier, only nation outside the US to be able to achieve that.
@@joachimmahoudeaux8619 The Eurofighter ist British-Italian.
“Birds Eye View capabilities”
Aka
IRL 3rd person Tanking
Which would be neat
When will they start developing unmanned tanks so us WoT and WT players get to enjoy ww3 from safety of our homes?
@@vanjamenadzer
POTUS Bartholomew will ensure such a great idea is enacted once he takes power.
Tanks look like something u would see on a "TOP 10 FUTURISTIC TANKS" clickbait video.
pretty much. wonder how much of this is for media coverage and wall posters vs usability. cant be that cheap or good with that many edges.
@@jklbubbublkj7939yes, like lets be real, the arbrams X side skirt shape has no advantage besides looks. on the other side, convincing the public … war is an industry, after all
it sure has to do with PR - those shapes would be a nightmare to produce...makes me wonder if they even intend to build them - or just BILL for them.
RedEffect needs to save up some money to visit Eurosatory next year. 110€ for badge, and then 500ish for hotels, 250 for travel, roughly speaking.
I believe Eurosatory takes place only ever other year, so he has 20 months or so to save ^^
Dont you need to be some fancy analyst or defense employee to go there tho?
@@xxxm981 not on the last day its free, but every other one you just have du pay (or be press)
@@xxxm981 Don't know about fancy, there was at least one german youtuber I know of who was invited to go to film and report for his channel.
@@xxxm981the security is bad you can even go in with some social hacking and osint
WAR THUNDER LECLER EVOLUTION WHEN ?
never, gaijin hates france
The moment they add t14 and f22 with su57
Tomorrow
Never Gaijin hates France
i need it so bad, it looks soooo goooood
The LECLER EVOLUTION looks like something the Warhammer 40K Tau would use.
The Tau also have a pretty French attitude. Concidence? I think not.
Russia fight like the impérial guarde
@@jean-philippebobin3732 The Soviet Union is similar to the imperium, like all these commissars who execute their own soldiers, infantry assaults causing hundreds of thousands of losses, etc. But Russia is fighting differently now. We have fewer losses than the Ukrainians, although your propaganda may say the opposite. Russia mainly fights with artillery. By the way, forced mobilization and executions of personnel are now quite common in Ukraine, just look at their well-known “counter-offensive,” which can be clearly described as a meat assault.
And yes, this tank will remain an expensive toy just to stroke your pride and show how advanced your science is. In Russia we also have a lot of all sorts of expensive combat vehicles and aircraft, but they are not used in a full-scale war because they are expensive.
@@olisk-jy9rz Tau is obviously something like Korea or Japan. It doesn't smell like France at all.
@@MadmanRussich the French are not eldar ???
Seems balanced at 11.0
7.7*
@@petrikchamula1670Make a premium version at 6,7*
@@nicolasfliedl1009cant forget about that one, its essential
Sadly its Western European so we might see BR decompression in Top Tier at last or Maus vs T80
@@nicolasfliedl1009 put it at 6.7 then raise the br to 15.0 after a month.
That's the gaijin way 😉
Yey, a RedEffect video longer than 2 minutes...
With the Ascalon 120/140, I think the Rheinmetall 130mm gun is dead on arrival. It offers 50% greater armor penetration over NATO standard 120mm, and nothing else. Meanwhile, countries with loads of money to spend will pick the 140mm gun with 70% improved penetration, and countries without money will pick the Ascalon 120mm gun that offers 40% improved penetration with new ammunition, lets them use up current stockpiles of 120mm ammo, and can be cheaply upgraded to the 140mm version later by simply swapping barrels and buying/making new ammo.
I also think Poland has the right idea, ditching their mix of PT-91, Abrams, and Leopard 2 tanks (sending them all to Ukraine) in exchange for adopting an improved version of the K2 Black Panther tank with a lengthened hull (allowing them to use a more powerful engine and/or adopt an IFV version that allows them to carry half an infantry squad like the Merkava or the prototype T-84 IFV), plus the new Ascalon gun. An APS seems essential, adoption of the Ukrainian Nizh ERA is logical (more effective than conventional ERA and reduces the surface area of the armor each ERA panel protects, meaning multiple impacts have reduced effect), and the 30mm anti-drone turret and system is very logical. Imagine the K2 Black Panther, but some units having the super powerful 140mm gun, APS, and anti-drone system, and others with the 120mm gun to use up current ammo stockpiles and transporting infantry to support said tanks.
First time that a video of redeffect isn't sponsored by War Thunder
Because Gaijin won't want to add these as russia won't stand a chance....
Imagine the French tree getting the Leclerc Evolution or embt 2024, the best players in the game getting the best tanks. No amount of russian bias will help them 😂
Meatriding a tank, how is that even possible@@wifi_soldier5076
@@wifi_soldier5076 LOL, tank that is basically 'Armata at home' being best? Kiddo, you just shown 2000x more bias than Gaijin ever did, please...
@@KuK137if the ‘home’ where the “armata at home” is made is ANYWHERE but Russia, it’ll be made better. Even France copied the design exactly, it’ll be made better by them than the Russians.
Russian Tank: never took a part in real battle
NAFO: its shit hahah
Western tank: never took part in real battle
Z: its shit hahah
Literally different sides of the same coin, but redarded coin
The EMBT with Ascalon 120 is the sexiest of all modern tanks
Imma be real it just looks like a polygon blob
@@bagelmaster2498 yeah, like someone got lost in CAD-software for a few weeks..without ever thinking about manufacturing..
The KF-51U and A-RC 3.0 are the coolest IMHO. I personally like the missile launcher on the A-RC, and I like the aesthetics of it. The same goes for the KF-51U, but the fact that it has Iron Fist, StrikeShield, MUSS 2.0, _and_ a self-contained anti-drone CIWS makes it the cream of the crop for protection. It should be noted that the RMG 7.62 it uses is not a rotary machine gun, but rather has three single barrels which can be rotated in as one heats up. It only ever uses one at any given time, but the fact that it has three allows it to have a much higher single-barrel ROF than other machine guns.Combined with the radar and the other electronics in that RCWS, it can operate completely independent of the crew, detecting and engaging targets all on its own.
What strikes me on a lot of these new propose tanks, is the lack of coaxial MG.
Im not a tanker, but I have heard actual tankers mention that the coaxial MG is almost more important than the main tank gun. Having machine guns only present as remote weapon stations on the turret roof heavily reduces their ammo capcity and makes it much harder to reload.
@nucleus691 does not necessarily reduce armor capacity depending on how you store it.
However it already has been said that they can also ad a coax mg
they all have a coax. The new embt got a 20 mm coaxial cannon , while the leclerc evo still use a 50 call as a coax like all leclerc.
What makes you think they don't have a coaxial, lol?
@@olisk-jy9rz I just didnt see it on the first EMBT and the 2nd one just doesnt have one. Leopard 2ARC doesnt have a coaxial MG either.
@@nucleus691 the 2ARC does not, indeed, have a coax but i wouldn't worry about it since it's just a prototype. Go to 5.40 and look to the right of the gun (your right). You should be able to see the mg.
Well, seems someone was really impressed with Lancets.
Who and why do you think that?
¿
@@marijnnn4992 Because it is a loitering munition. This concept is well over a decade now but no one was traiding half of ammo rack for it until lancet videos started popping en masse.
Tanks in 2020 RUclips Clickbait ahh Tank💀
I still like Rheinmetalls KF51-U concept more. 130mm is more than enough (you can carry much more ammo than 140mm) / unmanned turret / Rheinmetalls RMG7.62 machine-gun system + a optional NATTER in up to .50 BMG is pretty much ideal / the whole integrated system with the TAPS, ROSY-L and especially the HERO-120 LMS makes it just perfect while having overall less than 59t of weight.
1990s anime tanks are becoming reality
That 30mm remote turret looks like a must to retro fit where possible not just for drones bt infantry aswell
30 mm really isn't that good of idea. Main reason - lack of radar on tank itself. And even if tank crew will detect drone with their eyes they probably still couldn't destroy it because you can simly send a few lancets from different directions and it's pretty much cooked
@@SpookySm1le the turret has intergrated fire support for drones watch the video
@@wraith600original1 it has radar for lock but it doesn't have one for 360 search
As I said before, I don’t see tanks being phased out anytime soon like battleships were faced out. Tanks still provide accurate firepower on ground zero where arty can’t fire for reasons. They provide frontier armour and can do most of the stuff it was designed for even today. All the tanks nowadays need to focus on getting anti drone systems in and we are good. I also want to say, I kinda feel tanks are heading the land battleships direction. Big gun, armour, anti air. Lol
Engineers are already scrambling to get solutions about that, for example the leclercs foŕwatd ammo drum has been replaced by ew systems, probably including anti drone jamming
Imo another option is making tanks also cheaper to produce (which probably wont happen)
@@ilililil490 i don't think the crewmen would appreciate being put into steel coffins
Crew comfortability of a russian tank@@ilililil490
@@leguman5289 You don't necessarily need to sacrifice quality for cheaper tanks. A lot can be done in the supply chain side which can make production cheaper.
When i first read Leopard 2-A RC I thought the RC stood for _Remote Controlled_ and my mind jumped to full-on drone tank. Alas...
That'll come with MGCS
Warthunder players: finally new information to leak.
these editions will fit just nice in WarThunder
I thought this was a War Thunder update video 🗿
we do have the Type 10 in WT so we could see some of these vehicles in WT.
Dear Germany please never stop making tanks. I'm biased towards M1s cause I'm American but German tanks are just beautiful
just beautiful only
@@rmngrnk6752 Better than the competition.
You mean German and French?
@@rmngrnk67521 Leopard destroyed 150 T-90Ms in Ukraine
It hold record
Shut up 🤡🤡🤡
Modern western and Soviet era military vehicles owes a lot to German engineering for their conception after WW2
The idea that AI will eliminate the need for a fourth crewman comes from someone who never tried to keep a 24 hour watch schedule, never tried to keep maintenance up and never washed the tank.
AI will help you change a track by yelling at you.
It will supplement it, but I think the idea is that the "4th crew" will be replaced with the base crew.
Tbf the Russians have been doing fine with 3. 2 would certainly be too few crew members though.
@@102ndsmirnov7 yeah, they have such a great reputation for reliability, after all.
Dude thinks tanks travel alone instead of ever having a close army of personnel to do all those things.
Bruh the onely notable change is the turret and was made by France onely, the chassis is just a leopard chassis 😐 disappointing, Leclerc EVO does the same
I think the Leclerc Evolution/original EMBT look awesome
The Leclerc Evolution seems amazing!
that leclerc is nuts
the most notable parts for me is how complicated the turrets look, so many angles and edges (seemingly pointless), I wonder how this would effect mass production of these vehicles
Awesome when is the preorder dropping
2040
Probably just a tank that nobody will ever see.
it depends on how the development of these vehicles go. If some don't make it into service their tech will certainly be involved with something else.
Oh no - a demonstrator that is never adopted. Several of the presented features will be adopted in one way or another. And yes, none of these vehicles will enter production in the shown configuration.
@@dnkal2875 unlikely. Those vehicels or one of them will most likely become the step before the mgcs.
@@emilsinclair4190 there will be no MGCS. you just cant work with the french.
@@nox5555you can, you only need to satisfy what the french want, because they aint about to make something that doesnt suit their need, its understandable, the whole point of collaboration is to find a compromise that suits both need, but when it comes to more specialised high tech stuff, the need for specialty may take precedence.
I just think Germany especially cant work with France because both doctrine are wildly differant and both seeks wildly differant thing, so yea it may not result in a finished product, but i'll provide the innovation for both country to make their own, Germany a tank that sells well, the French a work of art thats most likely marvelous to fight with but due to high price may just be to valuable to engage haha
big active AD radar on a tank that has no real defense against ATGMs. What could go wrong?
that's not how it works, but okay lmao.
Most (if not all) ATGMs dont use radar
@@abas656thegodemperor9 atgms are HEAT and/or wire guided.
Dude wants less detection and networking.
To be honest this tank is an example of "look guys we care about NATO and our military so we designed a new tank that will enter service in next 15 years so you can shut up that we don't invest much in military" kinda thing.
Old news now that most of the countries actually do invest far more in their military. Turns out a military threat changed spending priorities. Also I guess why now instead of just one future tank, their actually also making interim tanks that complete more quickly.
Bro you just described t-14 armata for Russia
NATO is a scam for the European countries so they will do anything to fulfill the quota and get on with their lives.
Also 15 years isn't even that long.
Also also this new tank is basically a western Armata which is funny to me.
I 100% agree on the loitering ammunition housing issue, not to mention that in french military doctrine tanks are accompanied by light vehicles; which would be the one with loitering ammunition and other various AT means
When the crew numbers 20+, when the commander has his brain/central nervous system directly hooked up to the tank's computer - and when each wheel well is housing a platoon of -imperial guardsmen- grenadiers to clear out enemy infantry trying to sneak up in the blind angles - that's when these kinds of reveals becomes truly interesting.
Gaijin when 😂
Gaijan when
Never!
@@OsinakiKun Air alert! Azimuth 310, the altitude is about 1000
I agree!
Attention to the designated grid square!
@@MrTefe Roger that!
Will be interesting to see what Russia does to the T-14 Armata in response to these new mbts , recently saw them confirming they adopted the 152mm that we thought was cancelled.
They won't do anything
Considering the last we saw of the T14 was it's inability to drive more than 500 meters before breaking down.
The fact that the T-90 program was only able to be completed with the financial support of India and other partners ordering tanks before the design was completed and these partners not being interested in the T-14 and instead developing a model domestically(India & China) or ordering Chinese tanks in the future.
I highly doubt Russia will have any significant number of T-14 before 2040
@@teaser6089 The T-14 didn't break down, The driver accidently pressed the brake button
@@faiqanjum9010they had to tow it out bc the driver hit the brakes?
@@islahinckley4746 The never towed anything...even the recovery vehicle couldn't tow it because the brake was engaged. If you ACTUALLY watched the full video instead of like the commenter above spread mis-information about that event.
getting to top tier in war thunder gonna be real hard for the future generations
I am curious about the production cost for those tanks aswell as them being vulnerable to electronic warfare like jammers.
They are most likely electronically hardened.
Electronic jamming only really works for wireless stuff. Unless a EMP is used the wires will still be able to transmit information.
@@BlackWolf9988 you really think they didn t think about that ?
Isn't telescoped APFSDS fragile as hell?
Why? It's not the rod which is telescopic there.
@@RustedCroaker oh, I thought it was the rod
@@handsomeivan1980 He did say its semi-telescopic so I doubt the rod is telescopic.
Isn't developing tanks for the Fulda gap scenario in 2024 is quite irrelevant?
muh nuh tunk: nuw fish-fin stabee-laizeed discarding sa-boh raund ziwh advancid antitank ability to counter the Soviet horde*
*which must materialise I guess directly from 1989? Or 1985?
@@worldoftancraft yeah but tanks are still useful they aren't designed for one scenario
I have literally been saying "Drones won't be a issue for tanks because of air burst auto cannons" for almost five years now and wow would you look at that, it's exactly what happened, literally just put a 30mn on a tank with air burst and good sensors and drones aren't a issue. It's so obvious but so many people seem to have completely ignored it
I've been saying so too
there is a difference between knowing the solution and having it, Ukraine shows us the difference since basically none of the tankd have remote weapons stations
@@nicolaspeigne1429 yes, because it's a poor eastern european country fighting off the largest artillery army in the world, with a fraction of the resources given to them to fight, let alone come up with actual solutions, while germany and france are so wealthy, that they can bankroll poor countries out of poverty, when it suits them.
@@slugma1054 both armies have mainly soviet era MBTs in Ukraine
@slugma1054
>fraction of the resources
>from 38 countries
>largest army in Europe
>"fighting off"
💀💀💀
Something I simply do not understand: UK/German/Fench military budget: $17.83, some coupons, a strawberry and lime hard candy, and an old piece of string. New Tank or IFV every 5 years. US Military budget: 800 billion dollars. No new tank or IFV in 44 years. Seriously, wtf? The upgrades to the Abrams aren't even big after the 120mm upgrade in 1985. No new gun or armor, just like newer sights and some ERA for the side skirts. Meanwhile, the Leopard 2 is on like its 9th version and has seen major updates. The Challenger 2 is NEWER than the Abrams and they are already getting the Challenger 3. WTH is the US doing with that money?
US keeps upgrading the Abrams. Also no new tank announced =/= no new tank released. Last I remembered a large part of the M1 was kept under lock and key until 1981
The US focuses more on Air and Naval power. It shares no real land border with any imaginable enemy.
@@belgianfried they didnt keep it underlock, they had to cover up alot of stuff. Also the US is the Nato Country that needs a new MBT the most.
The Upgrade potential is way to limited and some parts like the gun are 20 years behind everyone else.
Majority of that money gets pocketed by raytheon
@@connivingkhajiitTrue. Most of the US defence budget is actually embezzled. Purchasing "military grade" axes, boots for $2000 dollar piece.
National taxpayer robbery.
the possibility to put that rheinmetall panther auto-turret on existing leopard 2 chassis is genius
That leclerc evo certainly wins the looks competition.
Though it isn’t lost on me that it feels like everyone is just copying general dynamics at this point.
I think the concept light tank from Poland paved the way for the aesthetics. Even though it was only a mockup.
@@stupidburp more specifically I meant everyone is demo’ing tanks with 3 crew and an unmanned turret, with innovations designed to tackle the modern battlefield we are seeing unfold in Ukraine.
Which general dynamics did a while ago with the abrams x.
You could also credit the T-14 but I don’t know if that one counts.
2:44 that derpy grin.
This tank is an unmanned turret tank, with an anti air radar for drones, equipped with an artillery sized gun, and an autocannon. I dont know if that tank is gonna be produced in very large numbers
Especially from France of all places
We already had some tank demonstators with all sort of radars, autocannons and other high tech in the past. All of them didn't go into production, because putting all that stuff on single vechicle makes it very expensive, hard to mantain and any loss of such vechicle would be more costly. It is just better to make a dedicated VSHORAD system to keep drones away from tanks, for example.
@@cybernetic_crocodile8462 I think Russia figured this out with their Pantsir platform. Weapons for dedicated roles fare much better than one expensive weapons platform that tries to do it all.
Everyone criticized the T-14 turret situation. Now everyone else is doing the same thing, smh.
Edit: I meant that the crewmen were moved from a operated turret, to an unmanned turret.
Хаха, классика
I don't think i've seen many people complain about the turret. More about its engine and its lack of production effort.
@@HoBoeBpeM9lhush down kid
@@HoBoeBpeM9l hush down kid
@@NoSaysJonatard upset lmao
It would be nice to see the antidrone systems adapted to existing tanks as an upgrade package
Hey red, you should talk about the weird armored vehicles in Cuba and Mexico. These include:
A BTR with a T55 turret, a BTR with AA cannons, a “””modernized””” M8 Greyhound in a training regiment, and a copy of a V100 Commando with an M8 75mm howitzer turret.
All these optics will necessitate a counter like a big paint ball pew-pew.
Could have drones that only targets reflective surfaces.
Are these tech demonstrators?
Most likely, the odds are like 90%. The manufacturers normally show off the fanciest and least conventional models to show off what the tank can use.
Mockups
yes
"We have T-14 at Home"-ahh tank
The key word is "have".
@@wwlb4970 Is it tho? They literally told you you won't see these tanks on the battlefield until 2040. They're further behind in development and testing than the T14 they copied from.
@@olisk-jy9rz Thinking that anyone copied something which barely exists and was a copy in the first place is kinda hilarious, but OK.
@@wwlb4970 Т-14 был копией Объект-195, да.
@@КорреспондентПавлуша *copy of m1 abrams
These are technology demonstrators, and not factually replacements for their existing MBTs. Eurosatory is a marketplace, not a motorpool.
Think AbramsX.
You are just jealous European always make the sexiest and the better tanks....
so, to be complete (in ... 2040) :
- autoloader separated from the crew, evolution of the battle-proven one from the Leclerc tank
- telescopic ammo with :
- SHARD piercing ammo
- top attack / gps guided Katana ammo ( probably only with the 140 version )
- possibility to switch 120 to 140 gun when needed with the same turret, in a matter of hours
- low pression chamber, this 140 has the same weight than a RHM 130, with much more power
- enemy fire 3d sound detection and auto-aiming
- "cameleon" active stealth in visible range and in infrared
- "diamond" active protection (hardkill)
- "bastion" anti IED jamming
- gallix smoke wall launchers
- shielded : non disclosed yet
- 27 sensors for a 360° * 180°c view in visible or IR for the operators
- anti drone small gun remotely operated with vertical aiming
- drone launcher with an operator inside the tank
Please also cover Zorawar light tank of india if possible 😅
very little to no viable information on it. and even if it where, its probably a similar tank in capability to the TAM from Argentina.
The protection is mediocre and weight is not much below the lighter end of some main battle tanks with better capabilities such as Japan’s Type 10. It fits in the uncomfortable middle range along with most other light tanks and will likely have some serious disadvantages in battle. Better to go heavier with a stripped down MBT or lighter with an armored wheeled vehicle such as Stryker with a dual use direct and indirect fire weapon such as Patria NEMO 120mm gun mortar in a turret. These can be supported by SHORAD Stryker variants.
As a point of reference, when the PLA threatened India with light tanks moved up along the LAC, the Indian Army simply moved some main battle tanks up nearby. The PLA promptly pulled the light tanks back away because they were completely overmatched and easy to spot in a modern battlefield.
The fact they are making the barrel look "stealthy' is beyond CRINGE..
More likely it is to give it light armor for protection against fragmentation damage to the barrel or cooling.
(They most certainly will have active cooling for signature reduction)
Did they mention that the barrel was supposed to be stealthy?
The barrel cover might actually be for infrared-signature reduction.
Kind of embarrassing to hear you talk about historical accuracy with respect to World of Tanks. I played it and the tank names is about all that is accurate.
Don’t forget the Tiger 1 with a panther turret
Yup - surprised he said that as WG themselves describe the game as _Arcade_ rather than _Realistic_ .
"That one bounced"
The panther with a gun that would break of its own weight, so absurdly long.
The text is provided by the sponsor, not him. Let him have a bit of money for his work.
If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant; if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.
you have no idea how easy it is to blind a tank , camera and no backup copula is a stupid idea
syria has proven how accurate snipers can shoot and shatter copulas to blind the crew , then you can take down the blind tank easily .
to relay on a camera only that can be shattered or even obscured by a little bit of dirt is insanely stupid.
also i dont think 30 mm to take down drones is a good idea , the engine has to be working to power the thing ,the radar is expensive and very easy to damage ,and expensive to repair no doubt (expensive in downtime and manhours ), once a 5 cent bullet hits the radar ,you can easily lose your multi million dollar tank
My first thought on seeing the thumbnail was ‘dang, that kinda looks like the T-14.’ 😳🫣😬
From 10 miles away and squinting, maybe.
interestingly the ascalon 140mm cannon sounds a lot like the XM291 ATAC from the 1990's which was also a 140mm that could be changed into a 120mm with only minor modifications, I wonder if they also intend to add stuff like electronic ignition systems like those older cannons were theoretically capable off down the line, infact I wouldnt be suprised if they just flat out went "well we need to develop a 140mm cannon so lets use the XM 291 as a baseline and work out from there" afterall the two guns are very similar and it would make a lot of sense to work out from technology which had already been shown to work as it saves work and it means they can take note of what didnt work and improve on those features and ofc take what does work and improve it with more modern technology
I think that 120mm is still enough for now and if going up should go all the way to 155mm in a dual use artillery piece and tank destroyer.
@@stupidburp yeah... no
the reason these companies are likely going for the 140mm is likely because there is pre existing research for them, and the 140 offers a significant improvement over the 120 while not having severe downsides outside of requiring new munitions to be procured, while the 120 is still adequate most of these guns designed to be transitioned into a 140 are designed with the idea that while a 140 might not be needed now, there is a good likely hood that they might be needed in the future and when that time comes these systems allow for quick and easy conversion, meanwhile a 155 while possible would require a lot of development and research which these companies don't want to spend for likely only marginal improvements over the 140 they have now
also a dual use artillery and tank cannon would be a terrible idea for a lot of reasons not the least bit being that artillery and tank guns have wildly different requirements so you'd be left with a gun not able to do either job very well at which point the gun is kind of useless, there is a reason why we can use auto cannons for both anti ground and anti air roles and its because those weapons lend themselves decently to either role, not so much artillery and tank guns.
The current Leclerc already uses electronic ignition. 140mm guns are nice beacuse in addition to the extra punch, they can fire atgm with a decent warhead, or smart shells.
@@foxzz1999 so I only just realizing my mistake as I was talking about electro-chemical ignition and not Electronic ignition as that has been a thing on a lot of large weapons for a long while now even tanks like the ww2 panther had that, my bad if it caused confusion
Tank mobile games ahh mbts
Hungary joined the Kf51EVO development for future production IN HUNGARY. Always nice to keep your money in your own economy. And if there are export possibilities...
Keep in mind, how short it took for Hungary from signing the Kf41 contract, build the factory and the first locally produced Lynx to roll out.
This guy is very underrated for how good his vids are
Informative
Easy to understand
Straight to the point
Unbiased
Not really. He talks about "shot traps" and "exposed elements" on these vehicles like it's a video game. Let me assure you that when your vehicle takes a direct hit from anything, things will break regardless and you will have to return to base for repairs.
@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire you know shot traps are dangerous like with the panther from ww2 it suffered heavy losses due to its shot trap (ricocheting is a thing not just in games) and exposed places could be weak spot for drone (as u see with the russo ukraine war)
Yes stuff will break but those are the risks of war you take stuff in and you might not return with it
@@ghostpost. Modern APFSDS doesn't ricochet, when the dart doesn't go through it simply shatters. It's not WW2 anymore. And if the Russo-Ukrainian war shows one thing, than that such complains don't matter, because as soon as an explosive is dropped on the tank it's a mission kill either way, because things like the optics etc. get damaged. And you cannot armor these elements enough to be invincible, so don't bother at all. The T-14, Leopard 2 ARC 3.0 and EMBT ADT-140 are doing it right.
@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire apfsds most certainly can ricochet but like you said it will just shatter/split
I mentioned the panther as its a famous example of the dangers of shot traps
Yes but like I said you should expect these things to get destroyed and/or damaged
Tbf they're newer and are more adapted to modern age combat
>Zero mobility kill protection
>Zero drone swarm protection, only 2 charges of APS on the turret
>Expensive high-tech mumbo jumbo that bankrupts small city at a minor breakdown
>MUH GUN, but the current reality is that tank on tank combat is non-existant and you risk a lot by running HE ammo rack in combat
>Obvious production bottlenecks
>NATO will "standartize" frenchies as much as possible so most of its features will go poof in actual production line
Bruh. Just make new chassis already. Putting mega-turret on shitty leo hull wont make tank any better.
zero dron swarm protection - 🤣 🤣 litt buddy cant read
obvious production bottlenecks - they didnt even start production but hey you anonym know it all knows it better 😂
muh gun, tank on tank combat is none existent 🤣 - YEA i wonder why that is maybe because nato doesnt fight any conventional army and ukraine has no fighter planes to actually start an offensive
tell me how would that new chassis look like, what new revolutionary features woudl it have mr. tank desginer? 🤣
THIS DUDE IS AN ACTUAL KNUCKELDRAGGER
@@qefewfwdcwdc скоро у Украины появятся истребители НАТО - все они сгорят также, как 300 истребителей из военной помощи до этого
???
All of your info are wrong
- The ARX 30mm Airburst HMG, is the protecting the tank from drones since it has 360 radars
- the APS is called Trophy APS this is probably an improved APS with 3-4 Charges Both sides with 360 protection against ATGMs and RPGs
- Sides are very well protected with ERA and MODULAR ARMOR Protecting against RPGs and ATGMs
- The Gun is 120mm better penetration
- The armor are great especially the frontal hull with modular and passive armor.
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All of your info are wrong
- The ARX 30mm Airburst HMG, is the protecting the tank from drones since it has 360 radars
- the APS is called Trophy APS this is probably an improved APS with 3-4 Charges Both sides with 360 protection against ATGMs and RPGs
- Sides are very well protected with ERA and MODULAR ARMOR Protecting against RPGs and ATGMs
- The Gun is 120mm better penetration
- The armor are great especially the frontal hull with modular and passive armor.
- All of this can be fitted with drone jammers
3:10 "i like that it actually protected" and show much thinner turret that on t-14, which means it even less protected that Armata one.
It is same as saying that tank can swim because you doesn't have information that it can't.
Modular armour means its more protected most likely
And since both are unmanned turrets and both have APS the level of protection isnt an issue.
Where does it show thinner turret than t14?
It reminds me of the Russian multi-turreted tanks of the interwar years
imagine how cool must've been to be part of the designing team for these new tanks
Do they have the materials and energy to construct more than 5 a year and 100 rounds of ammunition a year for them
Okay the recessed equipment is a thing now. I assumed the Chinese just didn't know what they were doing.
Now I'm guessing that something happened and designers are no longer worried about shell traps.
@@gallendugall8913 hey, it shot 30 shells before… “being rendered operationally unavailable”
most of the "upgarde" kit just looks like cheap plastic addon to look cool, and since its only for showing and not using and producing its highly likely the case
"AI will lift the burden of the crew, and replace the 4th crew member."
Uhuh...can't wait til I see AI help change trackpads or hump ammo and water or take watch shift and change oil, and then clean the tank and apply camo.
really looking forward to seeing the EMBT and FCAS fully ready and doing their thing. Europe at its finest!
They got there early, and they got really good seats.
So you banned the word that sounds like wonder waffle from your comment section, gj man.
What?
Must have been RUclips, its bans words automatically.
@@J2540- Not just words. Sometimes entire statements get banned.
Gets worse every four years or so, nobody can explain it
@@oxydoxxowdym, pretty obvious censorship😂, crackdown on dissents
incredibly chonky turrets. Wondering what are their weights
Yeah, weight...... weight is the little detail left out from ALL those tanks presentations. Which means it's absolutely in the "ISSUE" range
bnwo
@@olisk-jy9rz It wasn't left out at least for the Leclerc, it's between 58 and 60 tons
Less than current turrets because they will have much less armor because they don’t need to protect crew.
The chunkyness also comes from rubber and simply empty air space between metal armor walls. So they are not as heavy as they look like.
a new "game changer"
RedEffect did mention proxy ammo and an AA like radar to shoot down drones.
@@gunmasterx1164doesnt matter if they have 0 of them does it
@@leight420 Germany has multiple KF-51s
cope
@@avex3903 How is the 3 days operation doing ?
8:06 "oh bugger, the tank is on fire"
I'd guess the guys under the turret might have a problem in that case
so you need to rotate the entire turret to use the fancy 30mm airburst thing against drones, that are very often used from behind
I hope that thing has a REAL FAST traverse
"so you need to rotate the entire turret to use the fancy 30mm airburst thing against drones" - HAHAHAAAHHAA
But 3 rounds "in" 10 seconds means a round every 5 seconds, 13 rounds "in" a minute (12 "per" minute)
I think that future of visibility might be something like Apple vision, where commander would be able to use cameras and see through googles to navigate inside the tank as well as outside, adapting his vision for various sights mounted on the tank, giving him 360° field of vision and acces to thermals and zoom using commander sights with machine gun mounted with it.
Apple Vision? You mean like the F-35 helmet?
Meh, do you want to keep turning your head around when you can put literally every angle on one screen?
litteraly evryone: T-14 armata is bad design, lets copy it for all new tanks
It might be conceptually viable, provided that the execution doesn't suck like with T-14.
@@Sombody123objectively, Armata platform is very effective and versatile, and that was all that Russian Army needed. Terminator is a proof to it.
@@v3al0m69 Terminator ALSO sucks.
Ye, this is a Western Armata. Watch all the NATO kiddies froth at the mouth at this super weapon but cry about how bad Armata is loool.
@@102ndsmirnov7armata is a copy of an western concept, glazing a non-existent tank is crazy work
7:36
As far as I know, the loitering ammunition launcher of the Leclerc evolution is not internal, but external and placed above the auto loader. The evolution will still be able to store 22 120mm rounds and 18 140mm
All cool and all but in time of "Oh bugger, the tank is on fire", how fast can the crew bail out from it?