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I’m a long-term listener, but this is my first time ever commenting on any of your videos. You do an amazing job at giving your listeners The information that we want in the clearest way possible. I really appreciate you for that. Not to mention your build vids are top tier. So thank you for being you.
@@ssplif5415 true, but having both would really elevate the experience. After all, gameplay wise they are already at the peak of the industry in my opinion, so they might benefit from trying to add substance where they are lacking
its funny how the combat is top tier but everything else is subpar. team ninja needs to hire some diversity and new talent. strangers felt lie a weird low budget niche title.
In their defense, to nail a good original story of the three kingdoms period is extremely difficult. The best adaptation of the period was published over 600 years ago as Romance of the Three Kingdoms and it was so good and popular that people often got confused with its stories and the actual story. Not to mention the author of the official historical document, Chen Shou, was hell of a storyteller himself. Even 《火鳳燎原》(the ravages of time), arguably one of the best adaptation in recent years, fell into mediocrity after Lü Bu dies and the battle of Guandu. As a fan of history and unwittingly being held hostage by Koei’s multiple installments based on this period, my expectation story-wise has set really low. Since given the unsurpassable previous works, any sparks of digression, regardless of quality, from historical document or Romance from Koei will inevitably pisses off a part of its fanbase. Might as well give up on the story and get hype up to fight/fight along our favorite heores.
Well I don't know if I necessarily think that's a good defense. I feel if they weren't confident in their ability to tell that type of story then they should have chosen a different story entirely. It's still on them that they weren't able to properly adapt and tell an interesting story
@@trailmixvids That’s not how things exactly works. Understandably ppl who watched the video are mostly fans of the Nioh series or other RPG franchises, but there is a huge fanbase in east Asia that are of the three kingdoms genre - people who would like to buy this game simply because of its background settings. Players with such background can form their own narrative/perspectives by reading the title of a chapter or the year the scene is set. They can indulge in their own fantasies as long as the gameplay is good, and any wacky crap Koei is telling is secondary.
@@Ameya890 You will still be supporting the game even if u play on GP. Not like you pirated the game. GP is quite cheap 1/7th cheap here so Ill be playing on GP .
Wo Long is set to be one of my faves of all time. The Souls-esque game play mixed with my unending nostalgia for Dynasty Warriors will probably have me putting more hours into it than Skyrim. Solid 9.5/10 in my book. It would've got a perfect rating if Lu Bu's theme screamed through my speakers as he made his entrance
Really happy to see this review. I trust fextra reviews and opinions. I was very curious about game length and replayability. I can tell I won't play this for as long as nioh. But still will happily support the studio and their work.
You're definitely someone I look to for an informed opinion on this sort of game (even though I've been excited for this since Nioh 2). Hopefully you'll be doing some build guides and help us dive into the complexity of the mechanics. Still really appreciate your Nioh 2 review which fully convinced me to buy one of my favorite games! I think Team Ninja set a very high bar with Nioh 2, so if Wo Long doesn't quite meet that height, while trying new things, it's not a bad thing.
No hate for Nioh and Wo Long, but so many times you can pause a gameplay video of these games and can't even tell where the player is, where the enemy is, what and who is attacking whom. The sheer visual noise on screen in these games, thanks to buffs+wep skills+shiny attacks of both player and enemies, is not even overwhelming; it's atrociously indiscernible. And the background textures are horrendous which mix in with all this noise ever so often. Team Ninja has created 3 really good games now but these issues still persist and although the combat is really good, an outsider looks at combat and all they see is noise. It keeps people away because people can't even see wth is going on at the screen.
After playing Elden Ring for 500 hours and getting sick of having to re explore everything when trying a new build this game is exactly what I want. Just a super streamlined action rpg with fun builds. I am here for the combat and the builds so I dont think I will be disappointed. I have already played the demo for like 15 hours trying different builds so I know the main game will be a blast. But good to know about the performance issues since I am on PC. I hope they patch it quickly.
It’s nothing like nioh. Nioh is a very high quality game with a very deep combat system. This is significantly more shallow. Very arcade like. Slasher. And people with early copies already beat it. It’s not very hard either. It’s more a quick play. Nioh was a long term game
The combat feels good but the depth is just not there if you compare it to Nioh. It can be summed up to deflect, spam light attack and spend your gauge on strong attacks to stagger.
Feel like it was really important to mention the xbox platform and how gamepass pretty much has the game for free besides needing the subscription for gamepass. Performs quite well on that
I’m looking forward to FextraLife making tips and easy ways to help others with builds and on going strategies while facing challenging opponents. I thought Nioh and Nioh 2 were good, but not something I would replay all over again on the PlayStation 5. This game though, looks fantastic
Idk the combat is good and some of the bosses are good but the levels are so god damn boring and most of the enemies are the same which is already making me bored.
If you are on pc or Xbox you can't go wrong with game pass. And if you don't have it they may give you the $1 deal. Absolute steal and worth a try either way with game pass
Playing on Series S and no issues which surprises me as the demo was rough. Older build I suppose. Also beat the first boss on 2nd try compared to endless tries in the demo. Seems much easier
I tried this demo and liked it. However this game is heavy geared towards parrying. I’m terrible at this. Lol. The parry window is fairly big. Best way I can put it is if you were good at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be great at this game, if you were average at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be good at this game. I have crappy timing so I was not that good. It was still fun though.
Over the last couple years, I’ve been buying from soft, capcom and team ninja games on ps5 right on launch day, then 6-12 months later buy the pc versions so I can play with mods etc. has not failed me yet. It really feels like Japanese devs have an issue with pc optimization on launch of their games. sekiro is the only one I can remember that was pretty much flawless on pc at launch. Monster hunter rise too but my iPhone could play that game better than the switch does. Sucks but ps5 is generally safe to play games at 60 fps with a resolution downgrade, rather than things looking amazing, but with an abundance of issues that require moderate troubleshooting and effort to solve. Have wo long pre installed on ps5 and as well will get it on gamepass tomorrow and I’ll be able to see for myself how much of a difference there is. I have a feeling I’ll be doing my first playthrough on ps5 tho. Thanks for the heads up fextralife!
PS5 runs fine with some occasional slowdowns, the gamepass version is good on my rtx 3060ti, I only have stutters sometimes, but the steam demo was stuttering every new attack so idk what happened there.
Just a small tip, when explaining about your PC experience, please let us know what specs your machines are. Makes it hard to know to gauge the game when you say you simply played at 4k on low... Low on what card exactly etc. Otherwise, great work as always.
@@Fextralife I heard it, but was curious along the lines of the specs. Just basic stuff like the ram, which rtx /amd card and the cpu is enough in most cases. The one pro has many configurations so I have no clue if its the gtx 1080 version, or RTX 2080 etc
Some simple research on google would tell you all you need to know man. Performance on high end PC's is abysmal. So don't expect any mid tier computer to run it unless they drop one hell of a day one patch.
@@Goaheadandstaymad21332 If I wanted to google stuff, then I wouldnt need to watch this video now would I? The review should cover that at minimum when highlighting that its covering PC as well. Its not an unreasonable comment, so no need to lead with the way you started your comment. I found the information I needed, and now I know NOT to expect any info outside of how it " feels" gameplay wise when Fextra says they played on pc.
@@Synkhan I agree with you. Something like, " Even using an RTX 3080,4070,4080 etc. I could not run the game on 4K low settings..." Would have answered any questions
@@User1273- thanks man already thought it's like Elden ring where you get invaded every 10min by some troll or dude with op build Now they just gotta fix the pc performance
And again, you nailed it. Again, indeep review with a ton of facts, great structure, short: again a MASTERPIECE. Thank you so much for this great piece of work.
Wo long is not bad, but there were many poblem about combat system: no weapon combo skills, no stance. Only normal attack and strong attack include deflect. YOU MAY DEFLECT ALL WEAK OR STRONGEST ATTACK IF YOU PRESS BUTTON O AT RIGHT TIME. The 5 elementals magics is worse than Nioh’s magics and ninjitsu 😢 Nioh 2 is 10 and this game 6
The combat system is not like nioh at all, if anything it’s stripped down casual approach This is a very safe review, no touching lack of enemy variety, lacking level design and combat is shallow
To be fair, while playing both Nioh games I didn't pay attention to the story ONCE. Same thing with the Souls games. All I care about when playing these games is the combat, art and ambiance.
Exactly man. People are too much. If they want a story, go watch a movie. Same with people so concerned with character creation. Are they spending their time staring at their character jerking pff or playing the game??
As a huge N/N2 fan. I find the combat a step backwards. All the parts to move it forward are there, they're just not realized. I'm going to pass this one sadly.
Yeah sadly Wo Long just feels like a big downgrade compared to Nioh. What it should've been, is Wo Long should have came first, while Nioh should've been the successor
What's the invasions like? Is it 1 player limit only like elden ring? Or do they open up to 2 or more players to invade? Curious if it's different from elden ring's 3v1 invasion dynamics or if it's just the same thing
You can have up to 3 people invade you in Elden Ring. The problem is a lot of people play with 2 other friends and the world limit is 4 players. An easy fix would’ve been to allow as many people as there are companions in the world.
Fextralife is there any chance to play the game like an Astrologer in Elden Ring, I suck in Souls Games but like the setup, any way to make the game easier with magic, if you are not that skilled (and an old man)
I liked Nioh 2 a lot, and after hearing about this new game I was very hyped about it. Played it at day one, and honestly I'm disappointed, PC port is low quality, graphics are outdated, some visual glitches and crashes. Morale system is good idea in general, but I think they should allow raised flags to stay forever, like kodamas in Nioh 2, having to re enable them every time you replay a mission is a total pain. Also companions are very underwhelming, it's just feels wrong seeing great heroes like Zhao Yun or Guan Yu dying to some common mob.
2:20 this is one of my annoyance with current games. One system after another often adds annoying complexity to the game. This particular morale system doesn't seem too bad. This is why in the last few years the only game I can progress significantly and spend time in, some until the end if I can pass the boss checks, are the souls games.
Am not the guy who loves to start console wars but it would be nice to get a review of some of these games on other platforms other than PS5 and PC am pretty sure some of your subcribers play on Xbox like me, plus the game is just there on gamepass for you to try out just a thought.
Decent review, but maybe you shouldn't use the other 2 games as a reference point so much. I'm sure there are other players like me who aren't familiar with those titles and will be lost in comparison.
I just made my way to lobu? I think that's his name. I'm absolutely loving wo long. I haven't looked forward to coming back and playing a game as much as this in a really long time. Great gameplay and combat is extremely satisfying, the story is whatever, but I'm really not worried about that at all. I'd rather play a really fun game with no story than a boring game with a good story
If you are talking pure story, probably less than that. But there were an additional 2-3 difficulties to play on, not to mention the level cap in the end was 750. If you did every side quest I could see 40-50 out of it. I played for probably 300 hours since I got to the level cap and did the underworld etc. It was a great game
@George N no, the level cap was not 750 in base Nioh 2 before DLC. Wo Long also has ng+ maybe even ++. Underworld was not in base game either. You are comparing a completed game with DLC to a launch game. That is disingenuous
It’s not disingenuous. I said “in the end”. Meaning, at the end with all the dlc, which is when I played. I specifically said prior to that if you count just the story, sure the hours count is probably where you think it is. I’m not comparing anything to anything, just giving my take on the amount of time it might take to play. You were the one comparing play time on this to Nioh. I’m not sure what the disconnect is here, I was agreeing with you.
@@georgen5882 At no point did you indicate you were agreeing with me mate. You started talking randomly about the end state of the game, when the conversation was never about the end state of the game. I was Comparing Base Game Nioh 2 to Base Game Wo Long. You were the one who brought up entirely random stuff.
I refunded wild hearts after playing in slow motion for 12 hrs. I loved it but I just couldnt get the game to run properly. It felt as if my game was playing on 80% speed. Like everything was throttled. So I cwnt get this with similar issues and thats upsetting. Can we just release finished products please?!
Is this a spoiler free video? I would love a review but I dont want a spolier. Thanks EDIT.......... I watched it any way and I'm glad I did, what a great review and it was exactly what I was looking for, Now I will wait for a patch before buying.
I'm convinced that Team Ninja can only write one story lmao. Purely evil for the sake of evil villain entices historical figures to use MacGuffins that turn them into bosses whom you fight.
I really wanted to play this game, but it's not justifiable to pay for it on PC seeing the status of the demo (both Microsoft Store and Steam). A 13900k + 4090 couldn't get to 120 FPS on 1440, not to mention the massive stutter issues it had. It's just not playable and the game looks like Nioh, there's no reason it shouldn't perform the same.
Game pass my man !! Pc game pass! If you don't have it, they may give you the $1 offer. And even if not, you basically are only paying $15 for this game and 300+
Im playing it now and youre right about everything the story is so all over the place. Only gripebwith this game is the story . Nioh 2 had a much better cohesive story for koei techmo. Wo long you barely get back story with your AI companions.
Good review. A tip, though: don't buy prebuilt PCs ever. Customize your own. If you don't want to physically build it yourself, choose the parts and have the store put it all together for you. I do highly recommend learning how to build yourself, though.
@@ironman-fg3jh Unless it's a lot of money, it wouldn't be worth it. And like I already said - if you really want - you can have a custom PC built for you. So, no issue of time.
@@googlewolly no you don't get it not everyone lives in America with microcenters and Newegg. I live in Singapore which is a small country and the people that sell computer parts sell them for quite a bit of a markup over their American pricing because they're small shops. So custom computer building companies build them for cheaper because they have access to discounts for buying parts in bulk.
@@ironman-fg3jh No, I do get it. That's why I said, "Unless it's a lot of money..." In other words, I'm acknowledging that there could be a significant money difference.
get it on gamepass to be safe guys, solid review even when I feel it's rated too high, the combat depth got lessened so much compared to nioh, removed the combo system, high-mid-low-stances, ki pulses, skills you can set, the whole skill tree and much more, although I'm thankful that they removed gear levels this could have been a much better game that it is, wasted potential unfortunately but I'll still play it on gamepass day 1.
How is the level design? I played Nioh and there the level design felt really good. It was satisfying to explore everything and there were different roads. How does Wo Long fare in that regard, considering that you now have jumping?
Level design is junk. Very small areas except a very few areas. Like in many levels in nioh you unlock short cuts, not here just a straight line to the boss
Sad to hear you didn't really feel it. I tried the demo and I had and absolute BLAST! I think we are getting too picky for the graphics at this point, the overall look is actually pretty good. We always ask for more but then complain about the requirements.. Performance wise, 0 problems at all, 0 crashes fortunately. If I find something I'll update this. OPTIONAL invasions (god thank you I can actually PLAY a game) Difficulty felt pretty studied at least on Demo, beat it no problem in a single session with only 2 or 3 deaths in the whole run. This part, of course, is subjective and shouldn't be taken literally. I've heard other ppl found the bosses impossible which I can completely understand specially if you are not used to the formula. There seem to be enugh options to take an easier path, so another win for me. Upgrades and items - welp. Don't really **love** having tons of items of the same type in my inventory as happened in NioH. But I think this time it's mote reduced to those fan of min maxing. Giving the option to go simple or hard is just the good option. Haven't had the chance to go Coop, but back in the day I enjoyed playing NioH with some friends so expecting the same :) And story. Personally don't really mind that much about that era but I'll give it a try when it comes out. Ignored it on the Demo on purpose so I don't spoil myself Have a good day and hope you enjoy it if you get it!
Nioh 2 weapons , onmyo and ninjutsu were really good , i rather have a stamina bar as in nioh than spirit bar in wo long. Nioh 2 had 14 types of weapons and and 3 stances for each weapon
so ive already completed the game in four day when i first brought it while it is great it just gets real tedious after a while and not only that it really short if ask me granted i instantly got used to the deflect system that might be the reason why it felt short to me so in the end i dont know if i regret buying or if im ok haveing brought it .
I think a big issue that will affect sales is the simple fact that Chinese mythology just doesn't resonate much in the west. Some will buy it for the gameplay of course, but it's hard to have any interest in the story really.
I also agree with this. Thankfully tho I'm playing mostly for the gameplay alone, but I won't lie and say I'm a *fan* of the setting. It's cool but nothing something that excites me you know ?
@@666slateran666 I'm sorry but this is a selfish comment and is basically racism. Both the Chinese and the Japanese are APPARENTLY very interested in the Three Kingdom's setting, there are not one, but TWO ongoing series in this setting alone, both made by Japanese companies and both were targeted at the Japanese market. Are you saying that those who may be interested in this setting do not have a right to enjoy a game they like? They must make games that you are interested in? Eff off.
So Chinese mythology doesn’t resonate in the West but Japanese does? What does that mean? We are more interested in Japanese lore I’ve never heard of that.
@@gporr7004 because Japan and china have 2 VERY different cultures and societies and both have had very different impacts on the world culturally. There is a clear reason why Japanese culture and lore resonates with the west more than Chinese. Not even including politics at all actually. That's not a hit on Chinese lore whatsoever, it just simply not something people in the west are entirely interested in right now.
@@ramennoodle529 idk if it's good on ps5 it's probably good on console in general. I know that's not for every game but recently we've seen a spike in Pc games not being optimized whatsoever. And it actually makes sense for them to only send pc and PS5 codes out tbh.
@@ramennoodle529 that's very warranted tho. Console and pc are two very different ecosystems so it usually doesn't equate to the same performance. But I definitely see where you are coming from
@@JayTraversJT But also months I can still play Elden Ring and Hogwart's. Don't have alot of money at the moment so I have to make my choices wisely. Can save it for Resident Evil 4 remake at the end of March ;)
Well you could argue these are made first and foremost for asians audience and romance of the three kingdoms novel and its characters are really well known there so explaining and oppening these characters besides the chances they made really wasn't any major point for them as its among the mosr influental novels of all time.
@@Bahamut998 You know the novel has like four Times more characters than Dynasty Warriors has playable characters. All of them are given pretty detailed character motivations and character build ups.
I really liked the first Nioh and when the second installment was announced I could not be more excited. However, despite the combat being great, I really could not dive into the story. Maybe I have grown fond of William and had hopes that a similar character would be the central one in the sequel. But the silent protagonist does not work in Koei Tecmo games. That's From Software territory and they know how to play with it. Anyway, I love the addicting looting system, so I will play no matter what. Many thanks for the review, Fextralife.
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I’m a long-term listener, but this is my first time ever commenting on any of your videos. You do an amazing job at giving your listeners The information that we want in the clearest way possible. I really appreciate you for that. Not to mention your build vids are top tier. So thank you for being you.
Had the same realization
@@benjaminfifer9760 right? Like there’s no BS…just info, I appreciate that lol
Team Ninja making an excellent action game and creating the crappiest, silliest, non interesting story to accompany it??? SHOCKING
I really wish they hire better writer for Rise of the Ronin. As much as I like Nioh 2, the story is a wasted potential
We don’t play Nioh and wo long for story people play for Gameplay
@@ssplif5415 true, but having both would really elevate the experience. After all, gameplay wise they are already at the peak of the industry in my opinion, so they might benefit from trying to add substance where they are lacking
its funny how the combat is top tier but everything else is subpar. team ninja needs to hire some diversity and new talent. strangers felt lie a weird low budget niche title.
@@mokadelic4037 makes sense
In their defense, to nail a good original story of the three kingdoms period is extremely difficult. The best adaptation of the period was published over 600 years ago as Romance of the Three Kingdoms and it was so good and popular that people often got confused with its stories and the actual story. Not to mention the author of the official historical document, Chen Shou, was hell of a storyteller himself. Even 《火鳳燎原》(the ravages of time), arguably one of the best adaptation in recent years, fell into mediocrity after Lü Bu dies and the battle of Guandu. As a fan of history and unwittingly being held hostage by Koei’s multiple installments based on this period, my expectation story-wise has set really low. Since given the unsurpassable previous works, any sparks of digression, regardless of quality, from historical document or Romance from Koei will inevitably pisses off a part of its fanbase. Might as well give up on the story and get hype up to fight/fight along our favorite heores.
Don't forget the fact alot of there history was destroyed by Mao Zedong
Ravages of Time is an example of a fantastic adaption
Just bought it on Amazon. 821 pages. I'm in for a long read before playing the game.
Well I don't know if I necessarily think that's a good defense. I feel if they weren't confident in their ability to tell that type of story then they should have chosen a different story entirely. It's still on them that they weren't able to properly adapt and tell an interesting story
@@trailmixvids That’s not how things exactly works. Understandably ppl who watched the video are mostly fans of the Nioh series or other RPG franchises, but there is a huge fanbase in east Asia that are of the three kingdoms genre - people who would like to buy this game simply because of its background settings. Players with such background can form their own narrative/perspectives by reading the title of a chapter or the year the scene is set. They can indulge in their own fantasies as long as the gameplay is good, and any wacky crap Koei is telling is secondary.
Important Notice: The Game is included in PC Game Pass from day one. That's a cheaper alternative compared to buying the outright on release day.
Sad that he does not mention it... A lot of people will miss that. I will play it Day 1 in GP.
I think Ill support the game
@@Ameya890 You will still be supporting the game even if u play on GP. Not like you pirated the game.
GP is quite cheap 1/7th cheap here so Ill be playing on GP .
@@lukass8711 GP is 1/7th the price on steam for me. So GP is the way to go for now.
@@rohanthorat4282 How are you comparing a service to owning a game?
Wo Long is set to be one of my faves of all time. The Souls-esque game play mixed with my unending nostalgia for Dynasty Warriors will probably have me putting more hours into it than Skyrim. Solid 9.5/10 in my book. It would've got a perfect rating if Lu Bu's theme screamed through my speakers as he made his entrance
Really happy to see this review. I trust fextra reviews and opinions. I was very curious about game length and replayability. I can tell I won't play this for as long as nioh. But still will happily support the studio and their work.
I couldn't click with Rise of the Ronin so I broke wo long out again. On NG++, addicted again
You're definitely someone I look to for an informed opinion on this sort of game (even though I've been excited for this since Nioh 2). Hopefully you'll be doing some build guides and help us dive into the complexity of the mechanics. Still really appreciate your Nioh 2 review which fully convinced me to buy one of my favorite games! I think Team Ninja set a very high bar with Nioh 2, so if Wo Long doesn't quite meet that height, while trying new things, it's not a bad thing.
No hate for Nioh and Wo Long, but so many times you can pause a gameplay video of these games and can't even tell where the player is, where the enemy is, what and who is attacking whom.
The sheer visual noise on screen in these games, thanks to buffs+wep skills+shiny attacks of both player and enemies, is not even overwhelming; it's atrociously indiscernible. And the background textures are horrendous which mix in with all this noise ever so often.
Team Ninja has created 3 really good games now but these issues still persist and although the combat is really good, an outsider looks at combat and all they see is noise. It keeps people away because people can't even see wth is going on at the screen.
After playing Elden Ring for 500 hours and getting sick of having to re explore everything when trying a new build this game is exactly what I want. Just a super streamlined action rpg with fun builds. I am here for the combat and the builds so I dont think I will be disappointed. I have already played the demo for like 15 hours trying different builds so I know the main game will be a blast. But good to know about the performance issues since I am on PC. I hope they patch it quickly.
Exactly what I need right now. I do hope they resolve some technical issues like lost inputs quickly.
Most games are having bad launch on pc from what I saw. Elden ring also had them at release
Turn off in game vsync
Force vsync and 60fps cap through Nvidia control panel
This fixed almost all of the hitches for me.
@@nlikeflynn8837 Oh awesome thanks for the tips. I will try it out.
@N Like Flynn I had to use rivia tuner for this. Not sure why the Nvidia control panel fps limit didn't work for me.
I played through the demo and loved it, so I got the game. Looking forward to seeing some build videos on the channel!
I actually liked nioh 2's complexity. Hearing it's simplified here makes me wonder if i should get this..
Well, simple combat doesn’t necessarily me non-engaging combat.
It’s nothing like nioh. Nioh is a very high quality game with a very deep combat system. This is significantly more shallow. Very arcade like. Slasher. And people with early copies already beat it. It’s not very hard either. It’s more a quick play. Nioh was a long term game
Kinda seems that way yea
The combat feels good but the depth is just not there if you compare it to Nioh. It can be summed up to deflect, spam light attack and spend your gauge on strong attacks to stagger.
@@xShinobiXx I remember the reported length was 44 hours
Thanks!
Feel like it was really important to mention the xbox platform and how gamepass pretty much has the game for free besides needing the subscription for gamepass. Performs quite well on that
I’m looking forward to FextraLife making tips and easy ways to help others with builds and on going strategies while facing challenging opponents. I thought Nioh and Nioh 2 were good, but not something I would replay all over again on the PlayStation 5. This game though, looks fantastic
It took me ten hours to get through the first boss😂
Thank you Cas! As always, I appreciate the time and effort that you put into these videos and I can’t wait to see more Wo Long content from you!
Great video again, really enjoyed the demo and I'm looking forward to getting stuck into the rest of the game tomorrow.
Feel like I never heard you mention that this game is coming to gamepass day one. Seems like a pretty important detail
Nobody cares about gamepass
@@ohnah6261 oh. Why not?
True
@OhNah why get triggered over something SO STUPID. Christ
@@ohnah6261 PlayStation player huh
Great review. Even after playing I was already on board with a lack luster story, but more than good engaging gameplay.
Idk the combat is good and some of the bosses are good but the levels are so god damn boring and most of the enemies are the same which is already making me bored.
This game will be on Game Pass on day-one!!! Definitely going to play on my Xbox 😍
Always a pleasure and informative.
Thanks guys, still on the fence about this one
It seems like it either will be really good or kinda meh
@@ContrastCopy yeh basically my thoughts
If you are on pc or Xbox you can't go wrong with game pass. And if you don't have it they may give you the $1 deal. Absolute steal and worth a try either way with game pass
Playing on Series S and no issues which surprises me as the demo was rough. Older build I suppose. Also beat the first boss on 2nd try compared to endless tries in the demo. Seems much easier
For the setting, I'm really looking towards Team Ninja next title which is Rise of the Ronin next year.
I tried this demo and liked it. However this game is heavy geared towards parrying. I’m terrible at this. Lol. The parry window is fairly big. Best way I can put it is if you were good at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be great at this game, if you were average at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be good at this game. I have crappy timing so I was not that good. It was still fun though.
As a fan of Chinese Culture/Mythology and History, I am very excited to finally get my hands on this game!
Very informative review. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Beautiful review Cas, nice job.
Thank you kindly!
No issues on PS5. Works flawless.
Over the last couple years, I’ve been buying from soft, capcom and team ninja games on ps5 right on launch day, then 6-12 months later buy the pc versions so I can play with mods etc. has not failed me yet. It really feels like Japanese devs have an issue with pc optimization on launch of their games. sekiro is the only one I can remember that was pretty much flawless on pc at launch. Monster hunter rise too but my iPhone could play that game better than the switch does. Sucks but ps5 is generally safe to play games at 60 fps with a resolution downgrade, rather than things looking amazing, but with an abundance of issues that require moderate troubleshooting and effort to solve. Have wo long pre installed on ps5 and as well will get it on gamepass tomorrow and I’ll be able to see for myself how much of a difference there is. I have a feeling I’ll be doing my first playthrough on ps5 tho. Thanks for the heads up fextralife!
PS5 runs fine with some occasional slowdowns, the gamepass version is good on my rtx 3060ti, I only have stutters sometimes, but the steam demo was stuttering every new attack so idk what happened there.
Just a small tip, when explaining about your PC experience, please let us know what specs your machines are. Makes it hard to know to gauge the game when you say you simply played at 4k on low... Low on what card exactly etc. Otherwise, great work as always.
Corsair One Pro...said it in the video.
@@Fextralife I heard it, but was curious along the lines of the specs. Just basic stuff like the ram, which rtx /amd card and the cpu is enough in most cases. The one pro has many configurations so I have no clue if its the gtx 1080 version, or RTX 2080 etc
Some simple research on google would tell you all you need to know man. Performance on high end PC's is abysmal. So don't expect any mid tier computer to run it unless they drop one hell of a day one patch.
@@Goaheadandstaymad21332 If I wanted to google stuff, then I wouldnt need to watch this video now would I? The review should cover that at minimum when highlighting that its covering PC as well. Its not an unreasonable comment, so no need to lead with the way you started your comment. I found the information I needed, and now I know NOT to expect any info outside of how it " feels" gameplay wise when Fextra says they played on pc.
@@Synkhan I agree with you. Something like,
" Even using an RTX 3080,4070,4080 etc. I could not run the game on 4K low settings..."
Would have answered any questions
I cannot wait to play this.
Loved the closed test and demo.
I need to see how the invasion system works.
so there IS multiplayer?
@@Julian-rt9qs yh like in Nioh you can summon friends or randoms
Hope the invasions are optional
@@llawlied6902 you can turn them off in the settings
@@User1273- thanks man already thought it's like Elden ring where you get invaded every 10min by some troll or dude with op build
Now they just gotta fix the pc performance
And again, you nailed it. Again, indeep review with a ton of facts, great structure, short: again a MASTERPIECE. Thank you so much for this great piece of work.
Will you make videos on the DLC?
Wo long is not bad, but there were many poblem about combat system: no weapon combo skills, no stance. Only normal attack and strong attack include deflect.
YOU MAY DEFLECT ALL WEAK OR STRONGEST ATTACK IF YOU PRESS BUTTON O AT RIGHT TIME.
The 5 elementals magics is worse than Nioh’s magics and ninjitsu 😢
Nioh 2 is 10 and this game 6
The combat system is not like nioh at all, if anything it’s stripped down casual approach
This is a very safe review, no touching lack of enemy variety, lacking level design and combat is shallow
To be fair, while playing both Nioh games I didn't pay attention to the story ONCE. Same thing with the Souls games. All I care about when playing these games is the combat, art and ambiance.
Exactly man. People are too much. If they want a story, go watch a movie. Same with people so concerned with character creation. Are they spending their time staring at their character jerking pff or playing the game??
I mean I play games for fun and combat. Not to sit back and watch a story play out. Imbeciles
I feel like anyone who has played Dynasty Warriors at all will completely understand the story.
I really don't mind about the story but the gameplay is just so good even sekiro wasnt fun for me like this and im still in the beginning
Appreciate your work as usual
Did you see the akria bike stop on a horse at 1:25 in this video
Are you guys going to be doing build videos and stuff for this one?
Yes got some in the works already
Do you know if you can respec in this game similar to nioh?
Yes you can
Sounds to me Nioh 2 is still the better game. Ill stick to Nioh2 and waiting for a sale.
Way better. This game can't even compete with nioh.
As a huge N/N2 fan. I find the combat a step backwards. All the parts to move it forward are there, they're just not realized. I'm going to pass this one sadly.
Yeah sadly Wo Long just feels like a big downgrade compared to Nioh.
What it should've been, is Wo Long should have came first, while Nioh should've been the successor
What's the invasions like? Is it 1 player limit only like elden ring? Or do they open up to 2 or more players to invade? Curious if it's different from elden ring's 3v1 invasion dynamics or if it's just the same thing
You can have up to 3 people invade you in Elden Ring. The problem is a lot of people play with 2 other friends and the world limit is 4 players. An easy fix would’ve been to allow as many people as there are companions in the world.
Getting it tomorrow on PS5, cant wait!
Sad to put ER down for a bit, but its getting repetitive anyway after a year... Hoping DLC comes quick
The DLC is releasing after Armored Core 6, which is guessed to be around September. Elden Ring DLC probably won't release untl around the holidays.
@@The-Vitruvian-Man you have no idea that this is the case lmao. They haven't said anything about release dates or timeframes
@@zacharybrown8054 - that’s according to very recent reports
@@The-Vitruvian-Manreal question is when does silksong release lol
How do you people play the same game more than once lol
Fextralife is there any chance to play the game like an Astrologer in Elden Ring, I suck in Souls Games but like the setup, any way to make the game easier with magic, if you are not that skilled (and an old man)
Ah, so Dynasty Warriors is something of a requirement for understanding the story. Good thing I've played all of them since DW3!
Cool that it has code vein companions even if it isn’t implemented well, be sure to get this on series X instead of the PC
It will be on gamepass day one on PC...
@@raphael9055 he said PC is very inferior, so series X will be the best option
@@jasonsmith530 Oh I thought you said Ps5 instead of series x
I liked Nioh 2 a lot, and after hearing about this new game I was very hyped about it.
Played it at day one, and honestly I'm disappointed, PC port is low quality, graphics are outdated, some visual glitches and crashes.
Morale system is good idea in general, but I think they should allow raised flags to stay forever, like kodamas in Nioh 2, having to re enable them every time you replay a mission is a total pain.
Also companions are very underwhelming, it's just feels wrong seeing great heroes like Zhao Yun or Guan Yu dying to some common mob.
You had me at Guan Yu in the intro clip.
2:20 this is one of my annoyance with current games. One system after another often adds annoying complexity to the game. This particular morale system doesn't seem too bad.
This is why in the last few years the only game I can progress significantly and spend time in, some until the end if I can pass the boss checks, are the souls games.
I prefer random loot systems over traditional equipment systems so this game was definitely a breath of fresh air for me
I played this game for 30 mins last night at 12:30 and I’m just gonna say this from the little I played this game is it my boy
You can see how many people don't know jack shit about 3 kingdoms lol.
does the demo PC performance reflect the full games PC performance?
Getting this on PS5. Arriving tonight
Any game with a good deflecting mechanic I buy it.
Does the game have end game in it or will we need to wait until DLC 2?
or are we looking at a dark souls/elden ring setup?
Am not the guy who loves to start console wars but it would be nice to get a review of some of these games on other platforms other than PS5 and PC am pretty sure some of your subcribers play on Xbox like me, plus the game is just there on gamepass for you to try out just a thought.
We only got PC or PS5 codes.
@@Fextralife It's all good but just give us an idea of how it works on other platforms when you get the chance plus the game is on gamepass
Karak from ACG posted a video about the game as well and he mentions that Xbox performance is even spottier than the PC performance so there's that.
Decent review, but maybe you shouldn't use the other 2 games as a reference point so much. I'm sure there are other players like me who aren't familiar with those titles and will be lost in comparison.
Should be noted this is day one on Game Pass, so for people like me it's a no-brainer to at least check out for free.
I just made my way to lobu? I think that's his name. I'm absolutely loving wo long. I haven't looked forward to coming back and playing a game as much as this in a really long time. Great gameplay and combat is extremely satisfying, the story is whatever, but I'm really not worried about that at all. I'd rather play a really fun game with no story than a boring game with a good story
I give this game a Kwai Tecmo/10
haha yeah he messed up the pronunciation... it's alright
Wasn't the base game of Nioh 2 without any DLC only 30-40 hours as well?( it's been a really long time since I've played the base experience )
If you are talking pure story, probably less than that. But there were an additional 2-3 difficulties to play on, not to mention the level cap in the end was 750. If you did every side quest I could see 40-50 out of it. I played for probably 300 hours since I got to the level cap and did the underworld etc. It was a great game
@George N no, the level cap was not 750 in base Nioh 2 before DLC. Wo Long also has ng+ maybe even ++. Underworld was not in base game either. You are comparing a completed game with DLC to a launch game. That is disingenuous
It’s not disingenuous. I said “in the end”. Meaning, at the end with all the dlc, which is when I played. I specifically said prior to that if you count just the story, sure the hours count is probably where you think it is. I’m not comparing anything to anything, just giving my take on the amount of time it might take to play. You were the one comparing play time on this to Nioh. I’m not sure what the disconnect is here, I was agreeing with you.
@@georgen5882 At no point did you indicate you were agreeing with me mate. You started talking randomly about the end state of the game, when the conversation was never about the end state of the game. I was Comparing Base Game Nioh 2 to Base Game Wo Long. You were the one who brought up entirely random stuff.
I refunded wild hearts after playing in slow motion for 12 hrs. I loved it but I just couldnt get the game to run properly. It felt as if my game was playing on 80% speed. Like everything was throttled. So I cwnt get this with similar issues and thats upsetting. Can we just release finished products please?!
How does it runs in PS4?
Is this a spoiler free video? I would love a review but I dont want a spolier. Thanks
EDIT.......... I watched it any way and I'm glad I did, what a great review and it was exactly what I was looking for, Now I will wait for a patch before buying.
A year later after releasing im finally playing it and loving it. The pacing is absolutely off thats for sure.
Oh look, an Akira reference at 01:28
I'm convinced that Team Ninja can only write one story lmao. Purely evil for the sake of evil villain entices historical figures to use MacGuffins that turn them into bosses whom you fight.
Please do a lu bu build fextralife I have been farming the mask for 8 hours and can't find it a guide would be really helpful
I really wanted to play this game, but it's not justifiable to pay for it on PC seeing the status of the demo (both Microsoft Store and Steam).
A 13900k + 4090 couldn't get to 120 FPS on 1440, not to mention the massive stutter issues it had. It's just not playable and the game looks like Nioh, there's no reason it shouldn't perform the same.
Game pass my man !! Pc game pass! If you don't have it, they may give you the $1 offer. And even if not, you basically are only paying $15 for this game and 300+
You can play it on game pass also.
Im playing it now and youre right about everything the story is so all over the place. Only gripebwith this game is the story . Nioh 2 had a much better cohesive story for koei techmo. Wo long you barely get back story with your AI companions.
Good review. A tip, though: don't buy prebuilt PCs ever. Customize your own. If you don't want to physically build it yourself, choose the parts and have the store put it all together for you. I do highly recommend learning how to build yourself, though.
In my country prebuilts are cheaper than building your own and it saves u time. Hehe
@@ironman-fg3jh Unless it's a lot of money, it wouldn't be worth it. And like I already said - if you really want - you can have a custom PC built for you. So, no issue of time.
@@googlewolly no you don't get it not everyone lives in America with microcenters and Newegg. I live in Singapore which is a small country and the people that sell computer parts sell them for quite a bit of a markup over their American pricing because they're small shops. So custom computer building companies build them for cheaper because they have access to discounts for buying parts in bulk.
@@ironman-fg3jh No, I do get it. That's why I said, "Unless it's a lot of money..." In other words, I'm acknowledging that there could be a significant money difference.
do NOT look for a story telling in a Team Ninja game
Great review as always, thx.
get it on gamepass to be safe guys, solid review even when I feel it's rated too high, the combat depth got lessened so much compared to nioh, removed the combo system, high-mid-low-stances, ki pulses, skills you can set, the whole skill tree and much more, although I'm thankful that they removed gear levels this could have been a much better game that it is, wasted potential unfortunately but I'll still play it on gamepass day 1.
Hopefully this is playable on the SD
How is the level design? I played Nioh and there the level design felt really good. It was satisfying to explore everything and there were different roads. How does Wo Long fare in that regard, considering that you now have jumping?
Level design is junk. Very small areas except a very few areas. Like in many levels in nioh you unlock short cuts, not here just a straight line to the boss
Sad to hear you didn't really feel it. I tried the demo and I had and absolute BLAST!
I think we are getting too picky for the graphics at this point, the overall look is actually pretty good. We always ask for more but then complain about the requirements..
Performance wise, 0 problems at all, 0 crashes fortunately. If I find something I'll update this.
OPTIONAL invasions (god thank you I can actually PLAY a game)
Difficulty felt pretty studied at least on Demo, beat it no problem in a single session with only 2 or 3 deaths in the whole run. This part, of course, is subjective and shouldn't be taken literally. I've heard other ppl found the bosses impossible which I can completely understand specially if you are not used to the formula. There seem to be enugh options to take an easier path, so another win for me.
Upgrades and items - welp. Don't really **love** having tons of items of the same type in my inventory as happened in NioH. But I think this time it's mote reduced to those fan of min maxing. Giving the option to go simple or hard is just the good option.
Haven't had the chance to go Coop, but back in the day I enjoyed playing NioH with some friends so expecting the same :)
And story. Personally don't really mind that much about that era but I'll give it a try when it comes out. Ignored it on the Demo on purpose so I don't spoil myself
Have a good day and hope you enjoy it if you get it!
Stange I'm on a older Predator Helios 300 and It plays flawlessly.
Nioh 2 weapons , onmyo and ninjutsu were really good , i rather have a stamina bar as in nioh than spirit bar in wo long.
Nioh 2 had 14 types of weapons and and 3 stances for each weapon
Please, include the name of the writer in the video or description
so ive already completed the game in four day when i first brought it while it is great it just gets real tedious after a while and not only that it really short if ask me granted i instantly got used to the deflect system that might be the reason why it felt short to me so in the end i dont know if i regret buying or if im ok haveing brought it .
I still prefer Nioh2 because of the combat system n ki pulse. Also story wise Nioh2 did way better!
thanks for the review!
I think a big issue that will affect sales is the simple fact that Chinese mythology just doesn't resonate much in the west. Some will buy it for the gameplay of course, but it's hard to have any interest in the story really.
I also agree with this. Thankfully tho I'm playing mostly for the gameplay alone, but I won't lie and say I'm a *fan* of the setting. It's cool but nothing something that excites me you know ?
@@666slateran666 I'm sorry but this is a selfish comment and is basically racism. Both the Chinese and the Japanese are APPARENTLY very interested in the Three Kingdom's setting, there are not one, but TWO ongoing series in this setting alone, both made by Japanese companies and both were targeted at the Japanese market. Are you saying that those who may be interested in this setting do not have a right to enjoy a game they like? They must make games that you are interested in? Eff off.
So Chinese mythology doesn’t resonate in the West but Japanese does? What does that mean? We are more interested in Japanese lore I’ve never heard of that.
@@leoliu3134 ok stop the racist crap. You may be right about everything else but stop playing the race card so easily. Or a racist comment at all
@@gporr7004 because Japan and china have 2 VERY different cultures and societies and both have had very different impacts on the world culturally. There is a clear reason why Japanese culture and lore resonates with the west more than Chinese. Not even including politics at all actually.
That's not a hit on Chinese lore whatsoever, it just simply not something people in the west are entirely interested in right now.
Great review! No one is reviewing this thing on Xbox though and I wonder why? I don’t want to get it if it has performance issues there.
Probably only pc and ps5 codes went out
@@Fextralife safe to assume it has some issues then lol. I will give it a few days for more info to come out. Thanks again for the quality content!
@@ramennoodle529 idk if it's good on ps5 it's probably good on console in general. I know that's not for every game but recently we've seen a spike in Pc games not being optimized whatsoever. And it actually makes sense for them to only send pc and PS5 codes out tbh.
@@pHixiq I always associated the Xbox version to be similar to the PC version just cause it's all Microsoft. But I could be wrong.
@@ramennoodle529 that's very warranted tho. Console and pc are two very different ecosystems so it usually doesn't equate to the same performance. But I definitely see where you are coming from
Seems like I'll stick to Elden Ring for now, still having fun with that and DLC in a couple months perhaps.
Thats months worth of time you could dip your toe into this. Gameplay is still fun regardless of the mediocre story.
@@JayTraversJT But also months I can still play Elden Ring and Hogwart's. Don't have alot of money at the moment so I have to make my choices wisely. Can save it for Resident Evil 4 remake at the end of March ;)
We probably won't see ER expansion update or news in the next couple months, so it probably won't drop till the end the year or beginning of 2024
@@illy1985 got game pass ? Look for a $1 deal or something. You get access to this plus every other title on game pass ☝🏽
Well you could argue these are made first and foremost for asians audience and romance of the three kingdoms novel and its characters are really well known there so explaining and oppening these characters besides the chances they made really wasn't any major point for them as its among the mosr influental novels of all time.
@@Bahamut998 I feel the same, _but_ that's just how (pseudo) historic games are. Take it or leave it.
@@Bahamut998 You know the novel has like four Times more characters than Dynasty Warriors has playable characters.
All of them are given pretty detailed character motivations and character build ups.
I really liked the first Nioh and when the second installment was announced I could not be more excited. However, despite the combat being great, I really could not dive into the story. Maybe I have grown fond of William and had hopes that a similar character would be the central one in the sequel. But the silent protagonist does not work in Koei Tecmo games. That's From Software territory and they know how to play with it. Anyway, I love the addicting looting system, so I will play no matter what.
Many thanks for the review, Fextralife.
Your character is so dripped out. Almost want to buy just because of that
Worth adding it's on xbox game pass
Thanks for the good review as always.
looks like a serious gfx downgrade compared to those first videos they showed off.
It's a graphics downgrade compared to the first beta months ago also I noticed
Team Ninja!
I would like to support the game but at the mo the pc performance isn't great. I'll try out on gamepass first.