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I’m a long-term listener, but this is my first time ever commenting on any of your videos. You do an amazing job at giving your listeners The information that we want in the clearest way possible. I really appreciate you for that. Not to mention your build vids are top tier. So thank you for being you.
@@ssplif5415 true, but having both would really elevate the experience. After all, gameplay wise they are already at the peak of the industry in my opinion, so they might benefit from trying to add substance where they are lacking
its funny how the combat is top tier but everything else is subpar. team ninja needs to hire some diversity and new talent. strangers felt lie a weird low budget niche title.
In their defense, to nail a good original story of the three kingdoms period is extremely difficult. The best adaptation of the period was published over 600 years ago as Romance of the Three Kingdoms and it was so good and popular that people often got confused with its stories and the actual story. Not to mention the author of the official historical document, Chen Shou, was hell of a storyteller himself. Even 《火鳳燎原》(the ravages of time), arguably one of the best adaptation in recent years, fell into mediocrity after Lü Bu dies and the battle of Guandu. As a fan of history and unwittingly being held hostage by Koei’s multiple installments based on this period, my expectation story-wise has set really low. Since given the unsurpassable previous works, any sparks of digression, regardless of quality, from historical document or Romance from Koei will inevitably pisses off a part of its fanbase. Might as well give up on the story and get hype up to fight/fight along our favorite heores.
Well I don't know if I necessarily think that's a good defense. I feel if they weren't confident in their ability to tell that type of story then they should have chosen a different story entirely. It's still on them that they weren't able to properly adapt and tell an interesting story
@@trailmixvids That’s not how things exactly works. Understandably ppl who watched the video are mostly fans of the Nioh series or other RPG franchises, but there is a huge fanbase in east Asia that are of the three kingdoms genre - people who would like to buy this game simply because of its background settings. Players with such background can form their own narrative/perspectives by reading the title of a chapter or the year the scene is set. They can indulge in their own fantasies as long as the gameplay is good, and any wacky crap Koei is telling is secondary.
@@Ameya890 You will still be supporting the game even if u play on GP. Not like you pirated the game. GP is quite cheap 1/7th cheap here so Ill be playing on GP .
No hate for Nioh and Wo Long, but so many times you can pause a gameplay video of these games and can't even tell where the player is, where the enemy is, what and who is attacking whom. The sheer visual noise on screen in these games, thanks to buffs+wep skills+shiny attacks of both player and enemies, is not even overwhelming; it's atrociously indiscernible. And the background textures are horrendous which mix in with all this noise ever so often. Team Ninja has created 3 really good games now but these issues still persist and although the combat is really good, an outsider looks at combat and all they see is noise. It keeps people away because people can't even see wth is going on at the screen.
Wo Long is set to be one of my faves of all time. The Souls-esque game play mixed with my unending nostalgia for Dynasty Warriors will probably have me putting more hours into it than Skyrim. Solid 9.5/10 in my book. It would've got a perfect rating if Lu Bu's theme screamed through my speakers as he made his entrance
After playing Elden Ring for 500 hours and getting sick of having to re explore everything when trying a new build this game is exactly what I want. Just a super streamlined action rpg with fun builds. I am here for the combat and the builds so I dont think I will be disappointed. I have already played the demo for like 15 hours trying different builds so I know the main game will be a blast. But good to know about the performance issues since I am on PC. I hope they patch it quickly.
Feel like it was really important to mention the xbox platform and how gamepass pretty much has the game for free besides needing the subscription for gamepass. Performs quite well on that
It’s nothing like nioh. Nioh is a very high quality game with a very deep combat system. This is significantly more shallow. Very arcade like. Slasher. And people with early copies already beat it. It’s not very hard either. It’s more a quick play. Nioh was a long term game
The combat feels good but the depth is just not there if you compare it to Nioh. It can be summed up to deflect, spam light attack and spend your gauge on strong attacks to stagger.
Really happy to see this review. I trust fextra reviews and opinions. I was very curious about game length and replayability. I can tell I won't play this for as long as nioh. But still will happily support the studio and their work.
You're definitely someone I look to for an informed opinion on this sort of game (even though I've been excited for this since Nioh 2). Hopefully you'll be doing some build guides and help us dive into the complexity of the mechanics. Still really appreciate your Nioh 2 review which fully convinced me to buy one of my favorite games! I think Team Ninja set a very high bar with Nioh 2, so if Wo Long doesn't quite meet that height, while trying new things, it's not a bad thing.
I’m looking forward to FextraLife making tips and easy ways to help others with builds and on going strategies while facing challenging opponents. I thought Nioh and Nioh 2 were good, but not something I would replay all over again on the PlayStation 5. This game though, looks fantastic
Playing on Series S and no issues which surprises me as the demo was rough. Older build I suppose. Also beat the first boss on 2nd try compared to endless tries in the demo. Seems much easier
Idk the combat is good and some of the bosses are good but the levels are so god damn boring and most of the enemies are the same which is already making me bored.
Over the last couple years, I’ve been buying from soft, capcom and team ninja games on ps5 right on launch day, then 6-12 months later buy the pc versions so I can play with mods etc. has not failed me yet. It really feels like Japanese devs have an issue with pc optimization on launch of their games. sekiro is the only one I can remember that was pretty much flawless on pc at launch. Monster hunter rise too but my iPhone could play that game better than the switch does. Sucks but ps5 is generally safe to play games at 60 fps with a resolution downgrade, rather than things looking amazing, but with an abundance of issues that require moderate troubleshooting and effort to solve. Have wo long pre installed on ps5 and as well will get it on gamepass tomorrow and I’ll be able to see for myself how much of a difference there is. I have a feeling I’ll be doing my first playthrough on ps5 tho. Thanks for the heads up fextralife!
PS5 runs fine with some occasional slowdowns, the gamepass version is good on my rtx 3060ti, I only have stutters sometimes, but the steam demo was stuttering every new attack so idk what happened there.
I tried this demo and liked it. However this game is heavy geared towards parrying. I’m terrible at this. Lol. The parry window is fairly big. Best way I can put it is if you were good at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be great at this game, if you were average at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be good at this game. I have crappy timing so I was not that good. It was still fun though.
If you are on pc or Xbox you can't go wrong with game pass. And if you don't have it they may give you the $1 deal. Absolute steal and worth a try either way with game pass
2:20 this is one of my annoyance with current games. One system after another often adds annoying complexity to the game. This particular morale system doesn't seem too bad. This is why in the last few years the only game I can progress significantly and spend time in, some until the end if I can pass the boss checks, are the souls games.
And again, you nailed it. Again, indeep review with a ton of facts, great structure, short: again a MASTERPIECE. Thank you so much for this great piece of work.
I liked Nioh 2 a lot, and after hearing about this new game I was very hyped about it. Played it at day one, and honestly I'm disappointed, PC port is low quality, graphics are outdated, some visual glitches and crashes. Morale system is good idea in general, but I think they should allow raised flags to stay forever, like kodamas in Nioh 2, having to re enable them every time you replay a mission is a total pain. Also companions are very underwhelming, it's just feels wrong seeing great heroes like Zhao Yun or Guan Yu dying to some common mob.
Going to Wo Long from Nioh 2 is like going from eating a deluxe cheeseburger at a diner to eating a standard cheeseburger from McDonald's. They're both good, but one is just way more of a bang for your buck. That said, while I didn't like Wo Long when I tried playing it immediately after Nioh 2, I took some time away from it and played it after Final Fantasy: Strangers of Paradise and found myself loving it because the combat systems are so similar. It's still a little too easy (well, until you meet Lu Bu), but I actually found myself really enjoying it.
Just a small tip, when explaining about your PC experience, please let us know what specs your machines are. Makes it hard to know to gauge the game when you say you simply played at 4k on low... Low on what card exactly etc. Otherwise, great work as always.
@@Fextralife I heard it, but was curious along the lines of the specs. Just basic stuff like the ram, which rtx /amd card and the cpu is enough in most cases. The one pro has many configurations so I have no clue if its the gtx 1080 version, or RTX 2080 etc
Some simple research on google would tell you all you need to know man. Performance on high end PC's is abysmal. So don't expect any mid tier computer to run it unless they drop one hell of a day one patch.
@@Goaheadandstaymad21332 If I wanted to google stuff, then I wouldnt need to watch this video now would I? The review should cover that at minimum when highlighting that its covering PC as well. Its not an unreasonable comment, so no need to lead with the way you started your comment. I found the information I needed, and now I know NOT to expect any info outside of how it " feels" gameplay wise when Fextra says they played on pc.
@@Synkhan I agree with you. Something like, " Even using an RTX 3080,4070,4080 etc. I could not run the game on 4K low settings..." Would have answered any questions
As a huge N/N2 fan. I find the combat a step backwards. All the parts to move it forward are there, they're just not realized. I'm going to pass this one sadly.
Yeah sadly Wo Long just feels like a big downgrade compared to Nioh. What it should've been, is Wo Long should have came first, while Nioh should've been the successor
@@User1273- thanks man already thought it's like Elden ring where you get invaded every 10min by some troll or dude with op build Now they just gotta fix the pc performance
To be fair, while playing both Nioh games I didn't pay attention to the story ONCE. Same thing with the Souls games. All I care about when playing these games is the combat, art and ambiance.
Exactly man. People are too much. If they want a story, go watch a movie. Same with people so concerned with character creation. Are they spending their time staring at their character jerking pff or playing the game??
Wo long is not bad, but there were many poblem about combat system: no weapon combo skills, no stance. Only normal attack and strong attack include deflect. YOU MAY DEFLECT ALL WEAK OR STRONGEST ATTACK IF YOU PRESS BUTTON O AT RIGHT TIME. The 5 elementals magics is worse than Nioh’s magics and ninjitsu 😢 Nioh 2 is 10 and this game 6
Decent review, but maybe you shouldn't use the other 2 games as a reference point so much. I'm sure there are other players like me who aren't familiar with those titles and will be lost in comparison.
The combat system is not like nioh at all, if anything it’s stripped down casual approach This is a very safe review, no touching lack of enemy variety, lacking level design and combat is shallow
Am not the guy who loves to start console wars but it would be nice to get a review of some of these games on other platforms other than PS5 and PC am pretty sure some of your subcribers play on Xbox like me, plus the game is just there on gamepass for you to try out just a thought.
Fextralife is there any chance to play the game like an Astrologer in Elden Ring, I suck in Souls Games but like the setup, any way to make the game easier with magic, if you are not that skilled (and an old man)
I just made my way to lobu? I think that's his name. I'm absolutely loving wo long. I haven't looked forward to coming back and playing a game as much as this in a really long time. Great gameplay and combat is extremely satisfying, the story is whatever, but I'm really not worried about that at all. I'd rather play a really fun game with no story than a boring game with a good story
Nioh 2 weapons , onmyo and ninjutsu were really good , i rather have a stamina bar as in nioh than spirit bar in wo long. Nioh 2 had 14 types of weapons and and 3 stances for each weapon
so ive already completed the game in four day when i first brought it while it is great it just gets real tedious after a while and not only that it really short if ask me granted i instantly got used to the deflect system that might be the reason why it felt short to me so in the end i dont know if i regret buying or if im ok haveing brought it .
Well you could argue these are made first and foremost for asians audience and romance of the three kingdoms novel and its characters are really well known there so explaining and oppening these characters besides the chances they made really wasn't any major point for them as its among the mosr influental novels of all time.
@@RavusNox-z5i You know the novel has like four Times more characters than Dynasty Warriors has playable characters. All of them are given pretty detailed character motivations and character build ups.
Im playing it now and youre right about everything the story is so all over the place. Only gripebwith this game is the story . Nioh 2 had a much better cohesive story for koei techmo. Wo long you barely get back story with your AI companions.
get it on gamepass to be safe guys, solid review even when I feel it's rated too high, the combat depth got lessened so much compared to nioh, removed the combo system, high-mid-low-stances, ki pulses, skills you can set, the whole skill tree and much more, although I'm thankful that they removed gear levels this could have been a much better game that it is, wasted potential unfortunately but I'll still play it on gamepass day 1.
I really liked the first Nioh and when the second installment was announced I could not be more excited. However, despite the combat being great, I really could not dive into the story. Maybe I have grown fond of William and had hopes that a similar character would be the central one in the sequel. But the silent protagonist does not work in Koei Tecmo games. That's From Software territory and they know how to play with it. Anyway, I love the addicting looting system, so I will play no matter what. Many thanks for the review, Fextralife.
I really wanted to play this game, but it's not justifiable to pay for it on PC seeing the status of the demo (both Microsoft Store and Steam). A 13900k + 4090 couldn't get to 120 FPS on 1440, not to mention the massive stutter issues it had. It's just not playable and the game looks like Nioh, there's no reason it shouldn't perform the same.
Game pass my man !! Pc game pass! If you don't have it, they may give you the $1 offer. And even if not, you basically are only paying $15 for this game and 300+
Good review. A tip, though: don't buy prebuilt PCs ever. Customize your own. If you don't want to physically build it yourself, choose the parts and have the store put it all together for you. I do highly recommend learning how to build yourself, though.
@@ironman-fg3jh Unless it's a lot of money, it wouldn't be worth it. And like I already said - if you really want - you can have a custom PC built for you. So, no issue of time.
@@googlewolly no you don't get it not everyone lives in America with microcenters and Newegg. I live in Singapore which is a small country and the people that sell computer parts sell them for quite a bit of a markup over their American pricing because they're small shops. So custom computer building companies build them for cheaper because they have access to discounts for buying parts in bulk.
@@ironman-fg3jh No, I do get it. That's why I said, "Unless it's a lot of money..." In other words, I'm acknowledging that there could be a significant money difference.
Is this a spoiler free video? I would love a review but I dont want a spolier. Thanks EDIT.......... I watched it any way and I'm glad I did, what a great review and it was exactly what I was looking for, Now I will wait for a patch before buying.
Sad to hear you didn't really feel it. I tried the demo and I had and absolute BLAST! I think we are getting too picky for the graphics at this point, the overall look is actually pretty good. We always ask for more but then complain about the requirements.. Performance wise, 0 problems at all, 0 crashes fortunately. If I find something I'll update this. OPTIONAL invasions (god thank you I can actually PLAY a game) Difficulty felt pretty studied at least on Demo, beat it no problem in a single session with only 2 or 3 deaths in the whole run. This part, of course, is subjective and shouldn't be taken literally. I've heard other ppl found the bosses impossible which I can completely understand specially if you are not used to the formula. There seem to be enugh options to take an easier path, so another win for me. Upgrades and items - welp. Don't really **love** having tons of items of the same type in my inventory as happened in NioH. But I think this time it's mote reduced to those fan of min maxing. Giving the option to go simple or hard is just the good option. Haven't had the chance to go Coop, but back in the day I enjoyed playing NioH with some friends so expecting the same :) And story. Personally don't really mind that much about that era but I'll give it a try when it comes out. Ignored it on the Demo on purpose so I don't spoil myself Have a good day and hope you enjoy it if you get it!
How is the level design? I played Nioh and there the level design felt really good. It was satisfying to explore everything and there were different roads. How does Wo Long fare in that regard, considering that you now have jumping?
Level design is junk. Very small areas except a very few areas. Like in many levels in nioh you unlock short cuts, not here just a straight line to the boss
I think a big issue that will affect sales is the simple fact that Chinese mythology just doesn't resonate much in the west. Some will buy it for the gameplay of course, but it's hard to have any interest in the story really.
I also agree with this. Thankfully tho I'm playing mostly for the gameplay alone, but I won't lie and say I'm a *fan* of the setting. It's cool but nothing something that excites me you know ?
@@666slateran666 I'm sorry but this is a selfish comment and is basically racism. Both the Chinese and the Japanese are APPARENTLY very interested in the Three Kingdom's setting, there are not one, but TWO ongoing series in this setting alone, both made by Japanese companies and both were targeted at the Japanese market. Are you saying that those who may be interested in this setting do not have a right to enjoy a game they like? They must make games that you are interested in? Eff off.
So Chinese mythology doesn’t resonate in the West but Japanese does? What does that mean? We are more interested in Japanese lore I’ve never heard of that.
@@gporr7004 because Japan and china have 2 VERY different cultures and societies and both have had very different impacts on the world culturally. There is a clear reason why Japanese culture and lore resonates with the west more than Chinese. Not even including politics at all actually. That's not a hit on Chinese lore whatsoever, it just simply not something people in the west are entirely interested in right now.
What's the invasions like? Is it 1 player limit only like elden ring? Or do they open up to 2 or more players to invade? Curious if it's different from elden ring's 3v1 invasion dynamics or if it's just the same thing
You can have up to 3 people invade you in Elden Ring. The problem is a lot of people play with 2 other friends and the world limit is 4 players. An easy fix would’ve been to allow as many people as there are companions in the world.
If the game is successful, this will probably be the new game to tell the story of the three kingdoms and koei will focus on this series more than dynasty warriors anymore. What annoys me is that y’all have such patience for convoluted story telling within elden ring but this game is far more confusing? That is confusing considering most of the info people latch on to in elden ring is merely speculation or theory off an item description.
@@JayTraversJT But also months I can still play Elden Ring and Hogwart's. Don't have alot of money at the moment so I have to make my choices wisely. Can save it for Resident Evil 4 remake at the end of March ;)
I refunded wild hearts after playing in slow motion for 12 hrs. I loved it but I just couldnt get the game to run properly. It felt as if my game was playing on 80% speed. Like everything was throttled. So I cwnt get this with similar issues and thats upsetting. Can we just release finished products please?!
I'm convinced that Team Ninja can only write one story lmao. Purely evil for the sake of evil villain entices historical figures to use MacGuffins that turn them into bosses whom you fight.
I'm going to be as reasonable as possible. For one, this game does not take 30 hours to beat. No where near. I finished the game with a friend within 13 hours as the playstation clocks how many hours you have. We aren't sweats and the only boss that destroyed was Lu Bu. Despite the various elements the game offers, there is no "building", in this game. Bo matter what virtue you choose, Wood, or Metal, it matters not. You need to deflect. You practically beat everything by deflecting. It's not easy in some cases but for the majority part deflecting is not incredibly difficult. The spells in the game will obviously help but one who can practically deflect literally needs no spells. It's easier to deflect in this game than it is to perfect dodge in any other souls like game. The game shouldn't take anyone to long to beat with the amount of things that are given to help the player making this the easiest game of all soul like games including Dark Souls Dark Souls II Dark Souls III BloodBorne The Surge The Surge 2 Nioh Nioh 2 Sekiro:Shadows Die Twice Elden Ring Code Vein Demons Souls And any other I may forget. But don't take me for a hater, the game is fun and me and my bud are going to go through ng plus, but compared to Nioh, Wo Long is nearly underwhelming in nearly every category. The simplification while is a nicer touch for the premise of the game, Nioh really wasn't that hard to understand. I understand the spells are what they are as it fits into what Wo Long is, however despite it, the magic is completely underwhelming compared to Nioh, and so is the weapons. The story is just not engaging unlike Nioh to me personally, and the only real thing they nailed for me is deflecting is just satisfying and fun. No question about that. Some QoL changes have also been removed from Wo Long that leaves me puzzled as well. This is definitely a more friendly user experience that is great for players looking into this. If you never played Nioh, play this before you play Nioh. I think you'll like it more that way. Compared to Nioh 2 being my favorite of team ninja, it feels heavily downgraded, but maybe the season pass can change that in the future.
Team Ninja literally can not make a better game than Nioh 2 and this will be their eternal curse, Nioh 2 set the bar so extremely high, this game is actually terrible compared to Nioh... Hope Rise of Ronin changes that
@@TheMaestro116 Ninja gaiden black aged like shit, thr Nioh series in the other hand is the game that ALL of Koei Tecmo's newest releases are based of off, Nioh 2, Wo Long and even Wild Hearts are all based of Nioh gameplay and combat
@crisiscoreffv2 Sounds more like a skill issue to me. Also, Wild Hearts borrowing from Nioh 2??? Unless you are talking about the character creator/game engine, it's called a MonHun clone/Toukiden successor, my guy.
@@TheMaestro116 Wtf are you even larping about? the fact that Ninja Gaiden died and Nioh being the standard that Koei Tecmo is following now is a testament to the quality and success Nioh was, skill issue? ... rofl, also, Wild Hearts straight up has carbon copy attacks and animations from Nioh, ranging from the straight sword to basically half of the flying monsters having the same animations as Nioh's
@crisiscoreffv2 Being successful isnt necessarily a testament of being a well thought out/well designed product. Fortnite is popular as hell yet the shooting feels like a crap and I couldn't care less about it. As far as souls like titles, Fromsoft's games are still easily the gold standard of the genre despite Nioh 2 having one or two aspects that it might have done better. On the other hand, Ninja Gaiden Black is arguably one of the best when it comes to pure character action games and stands shoulder to shoulder with the best of them such as DMC 3 and 5, Bayo 1 and MGR. And don't give me that "it aged like crap" argument, you sound like one of those pampered modern gamer who whines whenever a title doesnt hold your hand or give you shortcuts/crutches to help you go through it.
they should have had an earlier pc demo or separate one just to test pc version out before launch. For this one they are just focusing on action souls game. So story and level design is not necessary a priority.
If you are talking pure story, probably less than that. But there were an additional 2-3 difficulties to play on, not to mention the level cap in the end was 750. If you did every side quest I could see 40-50 out of it. I played for probably 300 hours since I got to the level cap and did the underworld etc. It was a great game
@George N no, the level cap was not 750 in base Nioh 2 before DLC. Wo Long also has ng+ maybe even ++. Underworld was not in base game either. You are comparing a completed game with DLC to a launch game. That is disingenuous
It’s not disingenuous. I said “in the end”. Meaning, at the end with all the dlc, which is when I played. I specifically said prior to that if you count just the story, sure the hours count is probably where you think it is. I’m not comparing anything to anything, just giving my take on the amount of time it might take to play. You were the one comparing play time on this to Nioh. I’m not sure what the disconnect is here, I was agreeing with you.
@@georgen5882 At no point did you indicate you were agreeing with me mate. You started talking randomly about the end state of the game, when the conversation was never about the end state of the game. I was Comparing Base Game Nioh 2 to Base Game Wo Long. You were the one who brought up entirely random stuff.
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I’m a long-term listener, but this is my first time ever commenting on any of your videos. You do an amazing job at giving your listeners The information that we want in the clearest way possible. I really appreciate you for that. Not to mention your build vids are top tier. So thank you for being you.
Had the same realization
@@benjaminfifer9760 right? Like there’s no BS…just info, I appreciate that lol
Team Ninja making an excellent action game and creating the crappiest, silliest, non interesting story to accompany it??? SHOCKING
I really wish they hire better writer for Rise of the Ronin. As much as I like Nioh 2, the story is a wasted potential
We don’t play Nioh and wo long for story people play for Gameplay
@@ssplif5415 true, but having both would really elevate the experience. After all, gameplay wise they are already at the peak of the industry in my opinion, so they might benefit from trying to add substance where they are lacking
its funny how the combat is top tier but everything else is subpar. team ninja needs to hire some diversity and new talent. strangers felt lie a weird low budget niche title.
@@mokadelic4037 makes sense
In their defense, to nail a good original story of the three kingdoms period is extremely difficult. The best adaptation of the period was published over 600 years ago as Romance of the Three Kingdoms and it was so good and popular that people often got confused with its stories and the actual story. Not to mention the author of the official historical document, Chen Shou, was hell of a storyteller himself. Even 《火鳳燎原》(the ravages of time), arguably one of the best adaptation in recent years, fell into mediocrity after Lü Bu dies and the battle of Guandu. As a fan of history and unwittingly being held hostage by Koei’s multiple installments based on this period, my expectation story-wise has set really low. Since given the unsurpassable previous works, any sparks of digression, regardless of quality, from historical document or Romance from Koei will inevitably pisses off a part of its fanbase. Might as well give up on the story and get hype up to fight/fight along our favorite heores.
Don't forget the fact alot of there history was destroyed by Mao Zedong
Ravages of Time is an example of a fantastic adaption
Just bought it on Amazon. 821 pages. I'm in for a long read before playing the game.
Well I don't know if I necessarily think that's a good defense. I feel if they weren't confident in their ability to tell that type of story then they should have chosen a different story entirely. It's still on them that they weren't able to properly adapt and tell an interesting story
@@trailmixvids That’s not how things exactly works. Understandably ppl who watched the video are mostly fans of the Nioh series or other RPG franchises, but there is a huge fanbase in east Asia that are of the three kingdoms genre - people who would like to buy this game simply because of its background settings. Players with such background can form their own narrative/perspectives by reading the title of a chapter or the year the scene is set. They can indulge in their own fantasies as long as the gameplay is good, and any wacky crap Koei is telling is secondary.
Important Notice: The Game is included in PC Game Pass from day one. That's a cheaper alternative compared to buying the outright on release day.
Sad that he does not mention it... A lot of people will miss that. I will play it Day 1 in GP.
I think Ill support the game
@@Ameya890 You will still be supporting the game even if u play on GP. Not like you pirated the game.
GP is quite cheap 1/7th cheap here so Ill be playing on GP .
@@lukass8711 GP is 1/7th the price on steam for me. So GP is the way to go for now.
@@rohanthorat4282 How are you comparing a service to owning a game?
No hate for Nioh and Wo Long, but so many times you can pause a gameplay video of these games and can't even tell where the player is, where the enemy is, what and who is attacking whom.
The sheer visual noise on screen in these games, thanks to buffs+wep skills+shiny attacks of both player and enemies, is not even overwhelming; it's atrociously indiscernible. And the background textures are horrendous which mix in with all this noise ever so often.
Team Ninja has created 3 really good games now but these issues still persist and although the combat is really good, an outsider looks at combat and all they see is noise. It keeps people away because people can't even see wth is going on at the screen.
Wo Long is set to be one of my faves of all time. The Souls-esque game play mixed with my unending nostalgia for Dynasty Warriors will probably have me putting more hours into it than Skyrim. Solid 9.5/10 in my book. It would've got a perfect rating if Lu Bu's theme screamed through my speakers as he made his entrance
After playing Elden Ring for 500 hours and getting sick of having to re explore everything when trying a new build this game is exactly what I want. Just a super streamlined action rpg with fun builds. I am here for the combat and the builds so I dont think I will be disappointed. I have already played the demo for like 15 hours trying different builds so I know the main game will be a blast. But good to know about the performance issues since I am on PC. I hope they patch it quickly.
Exactly what I need right now. I do hope they resolve some technical issues like lost inputs quickly.
Most games are having bad launch on pc from what I saw. Elden ring also had them at release
Turn off in game vsync
Force vsync and 60fps cap through Nvidia control panel
This fixed almost all of the hitches for me.
@@nlikeflynn8837 Oh awesome thanks for the tips. I will try it out.
@N Like Flynn I had to use rivia tuner for this. Not sure why the Nvidia control panel fps limit didn't work for me.
Feel like it was really important to mention the xbox platform and how gamepass pretty much has the game for free besides needing the subscription for gamepass. Performs quite well on that
I actually liked nioh 2's complexity. Hearing it's simplified here makes me wonder if i should get this..
Well, simple combat doesn’t necessarily me non-engaging combat.
It’s nothing like nioh. Nioh is a very high quality game with a very deep combat system. This is significantly more shallow. Very arcade like. Slasher. And people with early copies already beat it. It’s not very hard either. It’s more a quick play. Nioh was a long term game
Kinda seems that way yea
The combat feels good but the depth is just not there if you compare it to Nioh. It can be summed up to deflect, spam light attack and spend your gauge on strong attacks to stagger.
@@xShinobiXx I remember the reported length was 44 hours
Really happy to see this review. I trust fextra reviews and opinions. I was very curious about game length and replayability. I can tell I won't play this for as long as nioh. But still will happily support the studio and their work.
I couldn't click with Rise of the Ronin so I broke wo long out again. On NG++, addicted again
You're definitely someone I look to for an informed opinion on this sort of game (even though I've been excited for this since Nioh 2). Hopefully you'll be doing some build guides and help us dive into the complexity of the mechanics. Still really appreciate your Nioh 2 review which fully convinced me to buy one of my favorite games! I think Team Ninja set a very high bar with Nioh 2, so if Wo Long doesn't quite meet that height, while trying new things, it's not a bad thing.
Feel like I never heard you mention that this game is coming to gamepass day one. Seems like a pretty important detail
Nobody cares about gamepass
@@ohnah6261 oh. Why not?
True
@OhNah why get triggered over something SO STUPID. Christ
@@ohnah6261 PlayStation player huh
I’m looking forward to FextraLife making tips and easy ways to help others with builds and on going strategies while facing challenging opponents. I thought Nioh and Nioh 2 were good, but not something I would replay all over again on the PlayStation 5. This game though, looks fantastic
It took me ten hours to get through the first boss😂
I played through the demo and loved it, so I got the game. Looking forward to seeing some build videos on the channel!
Thank you Cas! As always, I appreciate the time and effort that you put into these videos and I can’t wait to see more Wo Long content from you!
Always a pleasure and informative.
Playing on Series S and no issues which surprises me as the demo was rough. Older build I suppose. Also beat the first boss on 2nd try compared to endless tries in the demo. Seems much easier
This game will be on Game Pass on day-one!!! Definitely going to play on my Xbox 😍
Great video again, really enjoyed the demo and I'm looking forward to getting stuck into the rest of the game tomorrow.
Great review. Even after playing I was already on board with a lack luster story, but more than good engaging gameplay.
Idk the combat is good and some of the bosses are good but the levels are so god damn boring and most of the enemies are the same which is already making me bored.
Thanks!
Over the last couple years, I’ve been buying from soft, capcom and team ninja games on ps5 right on launch day, then 6-12 months later buy the pc versions so I can play with mods etc. has not failed me yet. It really feels like Japanese devs have an issue with pc optimization on launch of their games. sekiro is the only one I can remember that was pretty much flawless on pc at launch. Monster hunter rise too but my iPhone could play that game better than the switch does. Sucks but ps5 is generally safe to play games at 60 fps with a resolution downgrade, rather than things looking amazing, but with an abundance of issues that require moderate troubleshooting and effort to solve. Have wo long pre installed on ps5 and as well will get it on gamepass tomorrow and I’ll be able to see for myself how much of a difference there is. I have a feeling I’ll be doing my first playthrough on ps5 tho. Thanks for the heads up fextralife!
PS5 runs fine with some occasional slowdowns, the gamepass version is good on my rtx 3060ti, I only have stutters sometimes, but the steam demo was stuttering every new attack so idk what happened there.
Sounds to me Nioh 2 is still the better game. Ill stick to Nioh2 and waiting for a sale.
Way better. This game can't even compete with nioh.
Very informative review. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I tried this demo and liked it. However this game is heavy geared towards parrying. I’m terrible at this. Lol. The parry window is fairly big. Best way I can put it is if you were good at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be great at this game, if you were average at parrying in Elden Ring you’ll be good at this game. I have crappy timing so I was not that good. It was still fun though.
Sekiro to
Thanks guys, still on the fence about this one
It seems like it either will be really good or kinda meh
@@ContrastCopy yeh basically my thoughts
If you are on pc or Xbox you can't go wrong with game pass. And if you don't have it they may give you the $1 deal. Absolute steal and worth a try either way with game pass
2:20 this is one of my annoyance with current games. One system after another often adds annoying complexity to the game. This particular morale system doesn't seem too bad.
This is why in the last few years the only game I can progress significantly and spend time in, some until the end if I can pass the boss checks, are the souls games.
And again, you nailed it. Again, indeep review with a ton of facts, great structure, short: again a MASTERPIECE. Thank you so much for this great piece of work.
For the setting, I'm really looking towards Team Ninja next title which is Rise of the Ronin next year.
As a fan of Chinese Culture/Mythology and History, I am very excited to finally get my hands on this game!
I really don't mind about the story but the gameplay is just so good even sekiro wasnt fun for me like this and im still in the beginning
I liked Nioh 2 a lot, and after hearing about this new game I was very hyped about it.
Played it at day one, and honestly I'm disappointed, PC port is low quality, graphics are outdated, some visual glitches and crashes.
Morale system is good idea in general, but I think they should allow raised flags to stay forever, like kodamas in Nioh 2, having to re enable them every time you replay a mission is a total pain.
Also companions are very underwhelming, it's just feels wrong seeing great heroes like Zhao Yun or Guan Yu dying to some common mob.
Going to Wo Long from Nioh 2 is like going from eating a deluxe cheeseburger at a diner to eating a standard cheeseburger from McDonald's. They're both good, but one is just way more of a bang for your buck. That said, while I didn't like Wo Long when I tried playing it immediately after Nioh 2, I took some time away from it and played it after Final Fantasy: Strangers of Paradise and found myself loving it because the combat systems are so similar. It's still a little too easy (well, until you meet Lu Bu), but I actually found myself really enjoying it.
Just a small tip, when explaining about your PC experience, please let us know what specs your machines are. Makes it hard to know to gauge the game when you say you simply played at 4k on low... Low on what card exactly etc. Otherwise, great work as always.
Corsair One Pro...said it in the video.
@@Fextralife I heard it, but was curious along the lines of the specs. Just basic stuff like the ram, which rtx /amd card and the cpu is enough in most cases. The one pro has many configurations so I have no clue if its the gtx 1080 version, or RTX 2080 etc
Some simple research on google would tell you all you need to know man. Performance on high end PC's is abysmal. So don't expect any mid tier computer to run it unless they drop one hell of a day one patch.
@@Goaheadandstaymad21332 If I wanted to google stuff, then I wouldnt need to watch this video now would I? The review should cover that at minimum when highlighting that its covering PC as well. Its not an unreasonable comment, so no need to lead with the way you started your comment. I found the information I needed, and now I know NOT to expect any info outside of how it " feels" gameplay wise when Fextra says they played on pc.
@@Synkhan I agree with you. Something like,
" Even using an RTX 3080,4070,4080 etc. I could not run the game on 4K low settings..."
Would have answered any questions
No issues on PS5. Works flawless.
As a huge N/N2 fan. I find the combat a step backwards. All the parts to move it forward are there, they're just not realized. I'm going to pass this one sadly.
Yeah sadly Wo Long just feels like a big downgrade compared to Nioh.
What it should've been, is Wo Long should have came first, while Nioh should've been the successor
I cannot wait to play this.
Loved the closed test and demo.
I need to see how the invasion system works.
so there IS multiplayer?
@@Julian-rt9qs yh like in Nioh you can summon friends or randoms
Hope the invasions are optional
@@llawlied6902 you can turn them off in the settings
@@User1273- thanks man already thought it's like Elden ring where you get invaded every 10min by some troll or dude with op build
Now they just gotta fix the pc performance
Beautiful review Cas, nice job.
Thank you kindly!
I played this game for 30 mins last night at 12:30 and I’m just gonna say this from the little I played this game is it my boy
To be fair, while playing both Nioh games I didn't pay attention to the story ONCE. Same thing with the Souls games. All I care about when playing these games is the combat, art and ambiance.
Exactly man. People are too much. If they want a story, go watch a movie. Same with people so concerned with character creation. Are they spending their time staring at their character jerking pff or playing the game??
I mean I play games for fun and combat. Not to sit back and watch a story play out. Imbeciles
Getting it tomorrow on PS5, cant wait!
Sad to put ER down for a bit, but its getting repetitive anyway after a year... Hoping DLC comes quick
The DLC is releasing after Armored Core 6, which is guessed to be around September. Elden Ring DLC probably won't release untl around the holidays.
@@The-Vitruvian-Man you have no idea that this is the case lmao. They haven't said anything about release dates or timeframes
@@zacharybrown8054 - that’s according to very recent reports
@@The-Vitruvian-Manreal question is when does silksong release lol
How do you people play the same game more than once lol
Appreciate your work as usual
Any game with a good deflecting mechanic I buy it.
I feel like anyone who has played Dynasty Warriors at all will completely understand the story.
Will you make videos on the DLC?
Wo long is not bad, but there were many poblem about combat system: no weapon combo skills, no stance. Only normal attack and strong attack include deflect.
YOU MAY DEFLECT ALL WEAK OR STRONGEST ATTACK IF YOU PRESS BUTTON O AT RIGHT TIME.
The 5 elementals magics is worse than Nioh’s magics and ninjitsu 😢
Nioh 2 is 10 and this game 6
Decent review, but maybe you shouldn't use the other 2 games as a reference point so much. I'm sure there are other players like me who aren't familiar with those titles and will be lost in comparison.
The combat system is not like nioh at all, if anything it’s stripped down casual approach
This is a very safe review, no touching lack of enemy variety, lacking level design and combat is shallow
Am not the guy who loves to start console wars but it would be nice to get a review of some of these games on other platforms other than PS5 and PC am pretty sure some of your subcribers play on Xbox like me, plus the game is just there on gamepass for you to try out just a thought.
We only got PC or PS5 codes.
@@Fextralife It's all good but just give us an idea of how it works on other platforms when you get the chance plus the game is on gamepass
Karak from ACG posted a video about the game as well and he mentions that Xbox performance is even spottier than the PC performance so there's that.
Cool that it has code vein companions even if it isn’t implemented well, be sure to get this on series X instead of the PC
It will be on gamepass day one on PC...
@@raphael9055 he said PC is very inferior, so series X will be the best option
@@jasonsmith530 Oh I thought you said Ps5 instead of series x
Fextralife is there any chance to play the game like an Astrologer in Elden Ring, I suck in Souls Games but like the setup, any way to make the game easier with magic, if you are not that skilled (and an old man)
Do you know if you can respec in this game similar to nioh?
Yes you can
I just made my way to lobu? I think that's his name. I'm absolutely loving wo long. I haven't looked forward to coming back and playing a game as much as this in a really long time. Great gameplay and combat is extremely satisfying, the story is whatever, but I'm really not worried about that at all. I'd rather play a really fun game with no story than a boring game with a good story
A year later after releasing im finally playing it and loving it. The pacing is absolutely off thats for sure.
Nioh 2 weapons , onmyo and ninjutsu were really good , i rather have a stamina bar as in nioh than spirit bar in wo long.
Nioh 2 had 14 types of weapons and and 3 stances for each weapon
so ive already completed the game in four day when i first brought it while it is great it just gets real tedious after a while and not only that it really short if ask me granted i instantly got used to the deflect system that might be the reason why it felt short to me so in the end i dont know if i regret buying or if im ok haveing brought it .
Well you could argue these are made first and foremost for asians audience and romance of the three kingdoms novel and its characters are really well known there so explaining and oppening these characters besides the chances they made really wasn't any major point for them as its among the mosr influental novels of all time.
@@RavusNox-z5i I feel the same, _but_ that's just how (pseudo) historic games are. Take it or leave it.
@@RavusNox-z5i You know the novel has like four Times more characters than Dynasty Warriors has playable characters.
All of them are given pretty detailed character motivations and character build ups.
Im playing it now and youre right about everything the story is so all over the place. Only gripebwith this game is the story . Nioh 2 had a much better cohesive story for koei techmo. Wo long you barely get back story with your AI companions.
You can play it on game pass also.
get it on gamepass to be safe guys, solid review even when I feel it's rated too high, the combat depth got lessened so much compared to nioh, removed the combo system, high-mid-low-stances, ki pulses, skills you can set, the whole skill tree and much more, although I'm thankful that they removed gear levels this could have been a much better game that it is, wasted potential unfortunately but I'll still play it on gamepass day 1.
Ah, so Dynasty Warriors is something of a requirement for understanding the story. Good thing I've played all of them since DW3!
I really liked the first Nioh and when the second installment was announced I could not be more excited. However, despite the combat being great, I really could not dive into the story. Maybe I have grown fond of William and had hopes that a similar character would be the central one in the sequel. But the silent protagonist does not work in Koei Tecmo games. That's From Software territory and they know how to play with it. Anyway, I love the addicting looting system, so I will play no matter what.
Many thanks for the review, Fextralife.
Did you see the akria bike stop on a horse at 1:25 in this video
I really wanted to play this game, but it's not justifiable to pay for it on PC seeing the status of the demo (both Microsoft Store and Steam).
A 13900k + 4090 couldn't get to 120 FPS on 1440, not to mention the massive stutter issues it had. It's just not playable and the game looks like Nioh, there's no reason it shouldn't perform the same.
Game pass my man !! Pc game pass! If you don't have it, they may give you the $1 offer. And even if not, you basically are only paying $15 for this game and 300+
does the demo PC performance reflect the full games PC performance?
Good review. A tip, though: don't buy prebuilt PCs ever. Customize your own. If you don't want to physically build it yourself, choose the parts and have the store put it all together for you. I do highly recommend learning how to build yourself, though.
In my country prebuilts are cheaper than building your own and it saves u time. Hehe
@@ironman-fg3jh Unless it's a lot of money, it wouldn't be worth it. And like I already said - if you really want - you can have a custom PC built for you. So, no issue of time.
@@googlewolly no you don't get it not everyone lives in America with microcenters and Newegg. I live in Singapore which is a small country and the people that sell computer parts sell them for quite a bit of a markup over their American pricing because they're small shops. So custom computer building companies build them for cheaper because they have access to discounts for buying parts in bulk.
@@ironman-fg3jh No, I do get it. That's why I said, "Unless it's a lot of money..." In other words, I'm acknowledging that there could be a significant money difference.
Should be noted this is day one on Game Pass, so for people like me it's a no-brainer to at least check out for free.
Are you guys going to be doing build videos and stuff for this one?
Yes got some in the works already
Is this a spoiler free video? I would love a review but I dont want a spolier. Thanks
EDIT.......... I watched it any way and I'm glad I did, what a great review and it was exactly what I was looking for, Now I will wait for a patch before buying.
Sad to hear you didn't really feel it. I tried the demo and I had and absolute BLAST!
I think we are getting too picky for the graphics at this point, the overall look is actually pretty good. We always ask for more but then complain about the requirements..
Performance wise, 0 problems at all, 0 crashes fortunately. If I find something I'll update this.
OPTIONAL invasions (god thank you I can actually PLAY a game)
Difficulty felt pretty studied at least on Demo, beat it no problem in a single session with only 2 or 3 deaths in the whole run. This part, of course, is subjective and shouldn't be taken literally. I've heard other ppl found the bosses impossible which I can completely understand specially if you are not used to the formula. There seem to be enugh options to take an easier path, so another win for me.
Upgrades and items - welp. Don't really **love** having tons of items of the same type in my inventory as happened in NioH. But I think this time it's mote reduced to those fan of min maxing. Giving the option to go simple or hard is just the good option.
Haven't had the chance to go Coop, but back in the day I enjoyed playing NioH with some friends so expecting the same :)
And story. Personally don't really mind that much about that era but I'll give it a try when it comes out. Ignored it on the Demo on purpose so I don't spoil myself
Have a good day and hope you enjoy it if you get it!
You can see how many people don't know jack shit about 3 kingdoms lol.
How is the level design? I played Nioh and there the level design felt really good. It was satisfying to explore everything and there were different roads. How does Wo Long fare in that regard, considering that you now have jumping?
Level design is junk. Very small areas except a very few areas. Like in many levels in nioh you unlock short cuts, not here just a straight line to the boss
Thanks for the good review as always.
Worth adding it's on xbox game pass
I prefer random loot systems over traditional equipment systems so this game was definitely a breath of fresh air for me
Stange I'm on a older Predator Helios 300 and It plays flawlessly.
Great review as always, thx.
I think a big issue that will affect sales is the simple fact that Chinese mythology just doesn't resonate much in the west. Some will buy it for the gameplay of course, but it's hard to have any interest in the story really.
I also agree with this. Thankfully tho I'm playing mostly for the gameplay alone, but I won't lie and say I'm a *fan* of the setting. It's cool but nothing something that excites me you know ?
@@666slateran666 I'm sorry but this is a selfish comment and is basically racism. Both the Chinese and the Japanese are APPARENTLY very interested in the Three Kingdom's setting, there are not one, but TWO ongoing series in this setting alone, both made by Japanese companies and both were targeted at the Japanese market. Are you saying that those who may be interested in this setting do not have a right to enjoy a game they like? They must make games that you are interested in? Eff off.
So Chinese mythology doesn’t resonate in the West but Japanese does? What does that mean? We are more interested in Japanese lore I’ve never heard of that.
@@leoliu3134 ok stop the racist crap. You may be right about everything else but stop playing the race card so easily. Or a racist comment at all
@@gporr7004 because Japan and china have 2 VERY different cultures and societies and both have had very different impacts on the world culturally. There is a clear reason why Japanese culture and lore resonates with the west more than Chinese. Not even including politics at all actually.
That's not a hit on Chinese lore whatsoever, it just simply not something people in the west are entirely interested in right now.
Hopefully this is playable on the SD
Please, include the name of the writer in the video or description
Please do a lu bu build fextralife I have been farming the mask for 8 hours and can't find it a guide would be really helpful
What's the invasions like? Is it 1 player limit only like elden ring? Or do they open up to 2 or more players to invade? Curious if it's different from elden ring's 3v1 invasion dynamics or if it's just the same thing
You can have up to 3 people invade you in Elden Ring. The problem is a lot of people play with 2 other friends and the world limit is 4 players. An easy fix would’ve been to allow as many people as there are companions in the world.
Does the game have end game in it or will we need to wait until DLC 2?
or are we looking at a dark souls/elden ring setup?
How does it runs in PS4?
If the game is successful, this will probably be the new game to tell the story of the three kingdoms and koei will focus on this series more than dynasty warriors anymore. What annoys me is that y’all have such patience for convoluted story telling within elden ring but this game is far more confusing? That is confusing considering most of the info people latch on to in elden ring is merely speculation or theory off an item description.
Seems like I'll stick to Elden Ring for now, still having fun with that and DLC in a couple months perhaps.
Thats months worth of time you could dip your toe into this. Gameplay is still fun regardless of the mediocre story.
@@JayTraversJT But also months I can still play Elden Ring and Hogwart's. Don't have alot of money at the moment so I have to make my choices wisely. Can save it for Resident Evil 4 remake at the end of March ;)
We probably won't see ER expansion update or news in the next couple months, so it probably won't drop till the end the year or beginning of 2024
@@illy1985 got game pass ? Look for a $1 deal or something. You get access to this plus every other title on game pass ☝🏽
I refunded wild hearts after playing in slow motion for 12 hrs. I loved it but I just couldnt get the game to run properly. It felt as if my game was playing on 80% speed. Like everything was throttled. So I cwnt get this with similar issues and thats upsetting. Can we just release finished products please?!
You had me at Guan Yu in the intro clip.
I would like to support the game but at the mo the pc performance isn't great. I'll try out on gamepass first.
I'm convinced that Team Ninja can only write one story lmao. Purely evil for the sake of evil villain entices historical figures to use MacGuffins that turn them into bosses whom you fight.
do NOT look for a story telling in a Team Ninja game
Getting this on PS5. Arriving tonight
I'm going to be as reasonable as possible.
For one, this game does not take 30 hours to beat.
No where near.
I finished the game with a friend within 13 hours as the playstation clocks how many hours you have.
We aren't sweats and the only boss that destroyed was Lu Bu.
Despite the various elements the game offers, there is no "building", in this game.
Bo matter what virtue you choose, Wood, or Metal, it matters not. You need to deflect. You practically beat everything by deflecting. It's not easy in some cases but for the majority part deflecting is not incredibly difficult. The spells in the game will obviously help but one who can practically deflect literally needs no spells. It's easier to deflect in this game than it is to perfect dodge in any other souls like game. The game shouldn't take anyone to long to beat with the amount of things that are given to help the player making this the easiest game of all soul like games including
Dark Souls
Dark Souls II
Dark Souls III
BloodBorne
The Surge
The Surge 2
Nioh
Nioh 2
Sekiro:Shadows Die Twice
Elden Ring
Code Vein
Demons Souls
And any other I may forget.
But don't take me for a hater, the game is fun and me and my bud are going to go through ng plus, but compared to Nioh, Wo Long is nearly underwhelming in nearly every category.
The simplification while is a nicer touch for the premise of the game, Nioh really wasn't that hard to understand.
I understand the spells are what they are as it fits into what Wo Long is, however despite it, the magic is completely underwhelming compared to Nioh, and so is the weapons.
The story is just not engaging unlike Nioh to me personally, and the only real thing they nailed for me is deflecting is just satisfying and fun. No question about that. Some QoL changes have also been removed from Wo Long that leaves me puzzled as well. This is definitely a more friendly user experience that is great for players looking into this.
If you never played Nioh, play this before you play Nioh. I think you'll like it more that way. Compared to Nioh 2 being my favorite of team ninja, it feels heavily downgraded, but maybe the season pass can change that in the future.
Team Ninja literally can not make a better game than Nioh 2 and this will be their eternal curse, Nioh 2 set the bar so extremely high, this game is actually terrible compared to Nioh... Hope Rise of Ronin changes that
They already did though, it's called Ninja Gaiden Black ;)
@@TheMaestro116 Ninja gaiden black aged like shit, thr Nioh series in the other hand is the game that ALL of Koei Tecmo's newest releases are based of off, Nioh 2, Wo Long and even Wild Hearts are all based of Nioh gameplay and combat
@crisiscoreffv2 Sounds more like a skill issue to me. Also, Wild Hearts borrowing from Nioh 2??? Unless you are talking about the character creator/game engine, it's called a MonHun clone/Toukiden successor, my guy.
@@TheMaestro116 Wtf are you even larping about? the fact that Ninja Gaiden died and Nioh being the standard that Koei Tecmo is following now is a testament to the quality and success Nioh was, skill issue? ... rofl, also, Wild Hearts straight up has carbon copy attacks and animations from Nioh, ranging from the straight sword to basically half of the flying monsters having the same animations as Nioh's
@crisiscoreffv2 Being successful isnt necessarily a testament of being a well thought out/well designed product. Fortnite is popular as hell yet the shooting feels like a crap and I couldn't care less about it.
As far as souls like titles, Fromsoft's games are still easily the gold standard of the genre despite Nioh 2 having one or two aspects that it might have done better.
On the other hand, Ninja Gaiden Black is arguably one of the best when it comes to pure character action games and stands shoulder to shoulder with the best of them such as DMC 3 and 5, Bayo 1 and MGR. And don't give me that "it aged like crap" argument, you sound like one of those pampered modern gamer who whines whenever a title doesnt hold your hand or give you shortcuts/crutches to help you go through it.
they should have had an earlier pc demo or separate one just to test pc version out before launch. For this one they are just focusing on action souls game. So story and level design is not necessary a priority.
They already did.
looks like a serious gfx downgrade compared to those first videos they showed off.
It's a graphics downgrade compared to the first beta months ago also I noticed
Wasn't the base game of Nioh 2 without any DLC only 30-40 hours as well?( it's been a really long time since I've played the base experience )
If you are talking pure story, probably less than that. But there were an additional 2-3 difficulties to play on, not to mention the level cap in the end was 750. If you did every side quest I could see 40-50 out of it. I played for probably 300 hours since I got to the level cap and did the underworld etc. It was a great game
@George N no, the level cap was not 750 in base Nioh 2 before DLC. Wo Long also has ng+ maybe even ++. Underworld was not in base game either. You are comparing a completed game with DLC to a launch game. That is disingenuous
It’s not disingenuous. I said “in the end”. Meaning, at the end with all the dlc, which is when I played. I specifically said prior to that if you count just the story, sure the hours count is probably where you think it is. I’m not comparing anything to anything, just giving my take on the amount of time it might take to play. You were the one comparing play time on this to Nioh. I’m not sure what the disconnect is here, I was agreeing with you.
@@georgen5882 At no point did you indicate you were agreeing with me mate. You started talking randomly about the end state of the game, when the conversation was never about the end state of the game. I was Comparing Base Game Nioh 2 to Base Game Wo Long. You were the one who brought up entirely random stuff.
It's inferior to Nioh in every way to me but it's still a solid souls like overall compared to the others.
i disagree
I give this game a Kwai Tecmo/10
haha yeah he messed up the pronunciation... it's alright