I also believe she doesn't have to be a good or a bad gem she just lives for herself and to me nothing is really wrong with that cause the only one she truly likes is steven and somewhat peridot.
broken characters are so awesome, and yet the crewniverse seems to not know how to use her correctly, that basically just put her in the barn and kind of forgot her :/
Slobertooth 13 they had an amazing opportunity to make both lapis and peridot grow as characters together. they could have build so much with them, (platonic or romantic, it doesn't matter) they had so many options to make her grow as a character, to see more depth in her 'broken character' role, to do something with her, and yet they barely use her, and show her as a edgy teenager when she just got out of a toxic relationship with jasper :/
Nella Paulina Maybe Lapis isn't the real broken character; after all, didn't Miss Sugar say something about Jasper hating herself and her purpose for existence?? Maybe we still have yet to see how the crewniverse handles a truly broken character...Every one of them has their own level of brokenness, but Steven's has so been the worst...what if that Jasper redemption Ain't far away??
I agree. I can what S.O.O.'s saying, and it has lots of fair points, but I still feel Jasper had a hand in the toxic nature of Malachite, it wasn't just Lapis being manipulative.
for me her design concept and voice is really cool and pretty, however lapis never found character, at times she's the sad trapped soul we should sympathies for and at other times she's the light hearted comic relief. in the words of a better character "it could've been great!"
Late, but if I understand what u mean I agree. I think Lapis has cool powers, nice voice, pretty look but stupid personality. I cringe everytime when she's like "ME SO POOR AND SAD SO I DESERVE TO DO WHATEVER I WANT NO MATTER IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE OTHERS SAD"
Old vid but can’t help but notice the fact how whenever someone comments “I don’t really like Lapis.” There will always be atLEAST 1 butthurt Lapis fan sending a paragraph of how Lapis is the absolute queen of Steven Universe.
There's also the problem that Rebecca has said that Malachite was MUTUALLY abusive, BUT the show insists on painting Jasper like the big bad abuser and lapis as the poor fragile victim. Steven KNEW Lapis dragged Jasper into the ocean and was potentially hurting her and DIDN'T CARE, treating lapis as the hero despite the fact that he claims he doesn't like seeing other gems get hurt. He's willing to ask why a Lapis acts the way she does but won't ask Jasper. Mr. 'everyone deserves a chance' will do so for everyone except Jasper, because that's what Rebecca wants to do with her, despite the fact that there's supposedly 'no villian' .Why do you think so many people paint Jasper as the only abuser in the relationship and Lapis as the fragile flower that apparently did nothing wrong? Rebecca says it's not black and white when she clearly is painting it that way.
@@bartman156. people will say because she forced lapis to fuse or something else like that, but lapis wanted to fuse with jasper, with the intention of trapping her.
@@bartman156. THATS THE THING! JASPER DIDNT DO ANY ABUSING! she couldnt have! she was tied down by those water handcuffs and she was like a dog on a leash. and the fact that she wanted to make amends and give malachite another chance because of how powerful it was she wanted not just herself to feel that power but lapis to feel that strength!
Then there was the time that she yelled at Peridot for disagreeing with her on leaving Earth and their allies behind, then shifted the blame onto her by saying she should have said something before, then stole the barn, Peridot's home, which also carried her belongings.
I've never really consistently watched after season 3, so I didnt see all the bad Lapis moments, and for a bit I shipped them. But then I saw that episode and legit realized how shitty Lapis is. She took away everythingt from one of the few people who cared about her and loved her, and just left her behind, an never said sorry.
To me, Jasper was one of the most interesting characters and I really wanted to see more done with her. It seemed like they didn't really give her a fitting arc, and now she's just corrupted and captured. It felt cheap considering all of the avenues they could've taken.
It seems that decisions and actions (conscious or not) of lapis are always the most convenient for the serie: "We need to convert the episodic plot to linear" appears Lapis "We need Jasper to disappear for a while, but not to be defeated" form malachite "We control the cluster, now we need jasper as a villain" laspis can not keep control of the fusion, overcome malachite and jasper is free "Now that lapis is free, we can not let her participate in the fights, because she is strong and the conflict would resolve very quickly" we give her a lazy personality, we make her never officially forgive the crystal gems, and we leave her in the barn . (Sorry if there are errors, I used google translate)
I don't remember any times where the first one happens except for her debut appearance. But that isn't convenient, it's just a transition. Convenient? I mean all the characters were already there so...while convenient it makes sense. This was already hinted at before though that Lapis can't keep control of the fusion. This would have happened regardless of the timing but the timing should have been spread out better compared to how we got it with it happening at the same time that the cluster was being dealt with. This one really isn't Convenient as it was always gonna happen. Lapis had to deal with her own inner conflict really and learn to trust others first. So basically they didn't wanna rush it. So this wasn't convenient. Wouldn't say that Lapis's personality traits contain her being lazy or that I would describe her personality as being a lazily made personality. So that wasn't convenient either . But her forgiving the crystal gems? Happened off screen and was convenient. Having her be in the barn made sense but overall it lasted too long. I wouldn't call it convenient though. So overall there were 2 instances here of conveniences and 4 of the other times weren't conveniences.
Prepare yourselves for this novel of a comment: Here is the big point here. One could understand WHY Lapis acts the way she does because of her trauma and how toxic behavior can stem from it... HOWEVER in terms of the writing of her character and the interactions between characters, this toxic behavior is being enabled. The behavior is neither encouraged nor discouraged by the CG. Realistically, no matter how understandable of a reason you have (like trauma) to release toxic behavior THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES. Now keep in mind that this is a show aimed towards children and many of the plots relate to consent, relationships and mental health. In terms of relationships, it is made very clear that Lapis and Jasper's relationship was toxic. However when it comes to Lapis' behavior that is uncalled for, like: breaking peridot's recorder, brushing off Connie and Greg when they reminded her of the damage she did (trying to drown Connie and breaking Greg's leg) NO ONE suggests she should apologize for it and Lapis still hasn't apologized/owned up to her actions. Thus this is teaching kids: ~If you take out your emotions on others, people will understand because you're going through a rough time and an apology isn't neccessary so you can brush it off and act like nothing happened ~If someone you know is traumatized and taking out their emotions on you, endure it, be patient and be there for them, try to encourage them even if you are being hurt in the process because their healing is important even if it sacrifices your well being temporarily WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE The problem of Steven constantly sacrificing his own well being to fix the problems of others was only touched on when Amethyst says that it is unfair for everyone to dump their issues on Steven. The CG are capable of stepping in and talking to Lapis as they have done before with Peridot. The CG very clearly talk with characters like Peridot about her behavior like when Peridot refuses to acknowledge Garnet because she is a fusion or talks down to Pearl because of the purpose of pearls on homeworld. Homeworld culture was all peridot knew her ENTIRE EXISTANCE before she became a crystal gem and it was understandable why she would act that way considering her lack of adjustment towards the cultural differences between Homeworld and Earth. HOWEVER just because Peridot's behavior was understandable did not stop her behavior from having consequences and it did not stop the CG from stepping in and letting her know that the behavior wasn't acceptable, thus giving Peridot an opportunity to learn and grow as a character. The same sort of scenario could easily be applied to Lapis' story: Lapis showing unacceptable behavior and someone stepping in to tell her that behavior is unacceptable. It would easily giver her an opportunity to grow or at least get Lapis to begin to process the realization of how she is influencing others. Lapis understandably has been traumatized and abused but she has also lashed out on other characters for not knowing how to handle her emotions. It is a complex situation because healing from abuse is touchy, can be triggering, easily prone to relapses and healing is a long process often of trial, error and persistance. As someone with severe PTSD I understand these types of emotions that Lapis has and it hit very close to home with me when she was first introduced. However any unacceptable behavior I had as a side effect of my trauma did not stop me from having to own up to my actions and it certainly did not stop others from letting me know what behavior was not acceptable. The CG seem to understand that lapis is traumatized but none of them step in and tell Lapis when her behavior is unacceptable, and thus the CG acting as bystanders enabling the behavior. Characters such as Peridot even end up walking on eggshells around Lapis because of Lapis' tendency to lash out or show strong dissapproval/detachment. One could say that Lapis is as powerful as she is emotional, leading to her potential outburst to be scary and full of consequences, which would be a reason the CG would not step in to let matters become potentially worse. If that is the case, the writers need to make it more clear so that kids CLEARLY understand that Lapis' behavior is still unacceptable and that the CG aren't just allowing this type of behavior to occur without reason. The relationship between Lapis and the CG is rocky yet during the baseball game they seemed totally fine around each other?? If the point of their relationship being still rocky was made clear and consistant, then it would be understandable why characters who are used to dealing with emotions (like Garnet) would not step forward. Out of all of the CG Lapis is closest to Steven and more receptive to him, thus Lapis talking with Steven would be a prime opportunity for Lapis to have character growth or to at least set up a moment for Lapis to reflect upon later on when she truly understands the issue and comes around. Steven may not truly understand what Lapis has been through, but he could show Lapis ways to cope with emotions that do not involve hurting others and teach her how to recognize/acknowledge when she does hurt others (instead of brushing it off like she did with Connie). Summary: Trauma does not excuse toxic behavior, BOTTOM LINE. Trauma is an EXPLAINATION not and EXCUSE. Lapis needs to develop by learning to own up to her actions and at least acknowledge the consequences to them.
Lapis is my favorite character in the show and it is quite hard to admit this, but all that you said is true. While what she did was understandable, that does not mean it was okay. I still love her, but even the best characters have flaws.
Lapis, even now, reminds me too much of a friend I used to have. A friend who was abusive to me and the people around her, and her only excuse was "I've been treated worse". To speak out against her was to say her trauma wasn't worth anything. When offered help she needed to better herself, she turned it away because she liked being able to get people's pity and getting them to let her do as she wants. I was dumb and actually let her abuse me, because in my mind I figured what I was feeling because of her was nothing compared to the hurt she had felt. Part of me now, though I hate her to this day, even misses how she treated me some times. When times were good. Lapis is, without a doubt, an abusive and toxic person. I am not defending Jasper either- she's awful as well- but while Jasper had a goal in mind when fusing, Lapis found entertainment in making Jasper suffer. She even admits it herself. She liked hurting Jasper, even while she was actively trying to get away. Scream and cry about it all you want, but just because you think Jasper deserved it, or that Lapis' actions are excusable, they are not. Lapis is someone damaged, and for at least a time, took advantage of that label to inflict pain onto others.
I mean I get the part about her being mean to jasper but she crossed the line in barnmates? How? She was kidnapped BY peridot and then she got some twisted apology about how she just had so much information. Imagine you're on you're home like lapis was then you get kidnapped but later you escape and then the kidnapper gives you some dumb apology about how you just had some much infotmation. I bet you wouldn't forgive them at all. And steven in this situation I would expect him understand considering how he was kidnapped as well but nope they have to make lapis the bad guy for not forgiving her kidnapper.
@@TheCreepyChronicless The problem is not that Lapis didn't forgive Peridot (that is completely fine by me), its the fact that she was so brutal to her in that episode even when Peridot clearly had changed and regretted her actions. Instead of simply not accepting the gift, she crushes it in her hands and physically abuses Peridot when she is just trying to set things right.
@@knightdew1651Ok so your kidnapper comes up to you on the streets after you escaped and says I'm sorry I'm a changed person now, what is your first response? I bet its not to forgive them and act like they didn't kidnap you. If not wanting to be friends with your kidnapper and crushing their recorder is brutal then I really don't know what to say.
It's just like with humans. When people get imprisoned for decades (especially if they are innocent), they get mentally unstable and act irrationally. And we're talking about nearly 6000 years here.... This doesn't justify her actions of course, but it helps understanding why she acted like she did. The truth is, sometimes people just act without reason or motive.
Jack Jones yes of course not using this as an excuse for her actions or you can really see the potential in her character development she has a lot to learn but you can't hate her for acting this way when her past was really rough
True! but you gotta alot of Un-Sympathetic People out there who also act like that they're good and Don't try to help or understand the person! when they try to get Evil just for being Controled against their own will! and yet nobody try to understand or help them a bit! instead! they try to Punish Them instead ! ! ! ! !
Jack Jones EXACTLY. Not everyone is this big happy character who does a 180 like peridot. She’s had imo the toughest past. She had nobody. Of course she’s gonna disassociate herself
Feeling pain doesn’t give you an excuse to hurt others. That’s why I always dislike the argument “[insert problematic character here] acts this way because of what they’ve been through!” Because that’s just excusing a lack of growth. People go through shit, but you can make the effort to get better. Jasper makes that effort. Lapis does the bare minimum.
What she does to Peridot is what really gets me though. Peridot’s comment on the broken recorder later on “it serves no functional purpose. It just makes me... feel bad. :D” That really says to me that Lapis never showed any remorse for that.
look, youve been trapped ina mirror and have been staring at a dark void for 5000 years, and then youve been release about 6 months ago, you really cant say that that trauma could go away that quickly wouldnt you be really grumpy if you were in that situation too?
The fact she tried to gaslight peridot to escaping to homeworld with her and then when peridot wanted to stay lapis got ANGRY at her for not wanting to leave her friends and then lapis literally takes the barn and peridots whole life away from her. Genuinely infuriating
@@rudeTXTmoabut it’s not tho. How did she try to manipulate Peridot or deny her feelings in order to change her view? Lapis taking the barn was sad, and was something she clearly regretted doing to Peridot. Many trauma survivors will carve out a ‘safe space’ where they can exist happily. This includes carefully choosing friends and support, building a lifestyle which gives a person the most comfort possible (eg filling it with things that bring them comfort, or minimising interaction with things that would make them uncomfortable), even settling in a specific location to avoid unnecessary stress. This gives the traumatised person a personal bubble that isn’t just their own person, but their life. The downside is that sometimes, external factors will infringe on this bubble anyway, OR and internal source of comfort will suddenly become a source of turmoil by acting in a way that is unexpected and suddenly doesn’t bring you comfort. Suddenly, the entire bubble must be rearranged/reevaluated to either compensate for the loss of a significant support or that support must be removed from the bubble to ensure the safety of the traumatised person. The barn, Peridot, and Pumpkin are all Lapis’ bubble. When Peridot - who, up until this point, has indeed been modifying her behaviour to try not to upset lapis, which is YES, sad and bad that it wasn’t acknowledged before Lapis fled - suddenly became a threat to Lapis’ bubble, Lapis abandoned her, and took what was left of her bubble with her. However, the barn did not have the same effect without Peridot and the surroundings of Earth. Lapis still had her things and her home, but they weren’t what she really needed, which was Peridot’s support. She regrets her decision so much and is so lonely that she spies on the gems on earth, trying and failing to convince herself that it would be okay to come back because she’s so afraid it will all be destroyed anyway. I find the moment of Lapis’ return where she smashes the barn onto the beach quite interesting. Steven suggested placing the barn on the beach so they could be neighbours and hang out more. Lapis, instead, smashes the barn onto the beach, symbolically destroying her bubble, whilst also reconnecting with her true needs - Peridot, Steven and the Crystal Gems and Earth. Lapis is not a perfect character, but I find her arc very interesting, particularly how it intersects and diverges from Peridot’s. Peridot is depressed by Lapis’ flight, but is able to recover with the support of her loved ones (sans Lapis).
I never liked Lapis to begin with, I've always gotten that "broken" edgelord vibe from her. I mean, I do love me some emotionally destroyed, *developed* characters (Shiro from Voltron as an example.) But the way they portrayed Lapis after the whole redemption episodes didn't give her much development other then the special edgy snowflake who went through so much trauma. That AND only acknowledging her existence during filler episodes.
The Black Crayon he dosent mean its sex, he means its as if they use each other. if they use each other and one likes it, they want it more. not sex, but more of feeling power
A lot of people fail to realize that Lapis is the abuser. She even confirmed this. I like to also point out that she destroyed Greg's rental boat and never apologized for it. Then again, when did anyone apologize in this show? The problem with Lapis is the one of unfortunate effects of having no writers on the show.
Parslet wasn’t jasper abusing her first? In the episode when lapis lazuli was given a choice to fuse with jasper, she tried to fly away but jasper pulled her back. And when lapis chained jasper with the ocean chains she says “I’m done being everyone’s prisoner”. Then she became the abuser. So I’m confused to whether which abuser is which
@@diamond980 are you aware that you can't force fusion? are you aware that lapis had a fucking ocean just beside her and could've probably defeated jasper alone? are you you aware that jasper was following her diamond's orders? I don't know about you, but I think that's not really "abuse". sure, jasper was horrible to her first, but not because she wanted to cause pain, it was just convenient the only forced fusions in this show were the cluster such. let's all drop this mentality that broken fragile lapis was forced to fuse by the big bad jasper. she was given a choice and although she "didn't start it" it was lapis who chose to abuse first. but idk, that's just my opinion
ok but do people really think that lapis didnt fuse with jasper out of jealosy? she literally says "i'm done being everyone elses prisoner now you're my prisoner". she didnt fuse and capture jasper to help the gems, to help steven, she did it for herself. sorry i've just kinda thought everyone else had already figured that out
It confuses me honestly, doesn’t she later on that her doesn’t want that feeling again? She herself got even more confused with jasper asking her for that relationship again-Lapis COULDVE been such a great character but no😩
No, she's literally just an objectively Bad person for the things she's done and having near-to-none/no personality change whatsoever throughout the entire whole show! We've had all these years! All this time!! And Lapis still hasn't and cannot own up to her Actions!
@@jasperquartz4612 No, she's literally just an objectively traumatized person. Not saying her PTSD excuses her actions, yet it makes her acts understandable. Lapis was a broken gem (in both ways) and due to everything she went through, she was acting paranoid. Again, her PTSD showing. That's why she was a grey character, not black nor white. If anything, you can say Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl were also bad. Pearl trapped Lapis in a mirror and left her there for centuries. They all knew she was in the mirror, yet they kept her they willingly. Now that's a villainous action. You can also say Pink Diamond was villainous at some points too. Basically, just because a character possesses villainous actions, doesn't necessarily mean they're a villain or a bad person.
Lapis' character is posed as one who has gone through an abusive relationship. They were toxic for each other and, when Jasper came back to be together again (after Malachite's disslove and was saying Lapis was wrong and the monster and that Jasper had changed) Lapis was able to stand up for herself. I think this is a shining moment for Lapis and I wish other could see that as well.
Blaming is her prime problem. She blames everyone else for everything that happened to her, and never says sorry for her own actions. Lapis breaking Peridots recorder was the most horrible thing she did after Malachite. Like, seriously. She should be held accountable for everything she did.
Actually, Lapis *chose* to bind herself to Jasper because she wanted revenge for imprisoning her. They both played an equal part in the Malachite situation. Lapis took all of her anger and frustrations out on Japser and Jasper was the one who proposed the idea. They're both to blame. As for Peridot, she was doing her job. What did Lapis think was gonna happen when she went back to Homeworld? She was gone for several thousand years, of course she would be suspected of being a Crystal Gem
Lapis mopes around sulking about her traumas even though she chose to join Jasper she's instantly redeemed no montage of them slowly forgiving her or anything they just do forgive her
i did lol it was four frames and i got kind of curious and looked at the comments like "wowowowowow only like 2 people acknowledged this enough to talk about it, me being one of them"
I feel like Lapis was created just to appeal to all the emo angsty preteens. Like the hair, the attitude. There's nothing really wrong with that but it's not done very well. Imo. I also don't understand why Peridot wants to be friends with her. She seems too reasonable and smart to be putting up with her.
AndreaTarja Flute Peridot has very little experience when it come to dealing with others emotions and feelings, which is why she doesn’t have any boundaries to protect her own. This makes Peridot a perfect target for an emotional manipulator like Lapis.
Lapis is the embodiment of "I was hurt, so its okay for me to hurt others" mentality and I'm so happy someone else see's that. Just because she was a victim of awful things doesn't give her the right to become the abuser herself.
Abi Normal THIS! So much of this! I couldn't agree more, & I personally think because of this , Lapis is just a wasted character with LOADS of potential development but the writers don't do anything with her.
It doesn’t make it excusable but she lived thousands of years in a mirror by herself . What else can you expect out of someone who never even had the chance to talk about her pain ? It’s terrible the actions she has but to improve herself it could take a long time
Lapis is not made to be lovable. she is the representation of a toxic relashionship. she is beautiful and seem appealing (like a lot of narcissic manipulator) but when you look closely she is nocive for all the character she has been in contact with.... and I think that creating someone like that on the side of the good guys was a great idea because it shows that bully and abuser can take many forms and hide among the good people. you say that the flaw in lapis come from bad writing and are just mistake. but the way I see it... Lapis have been writing like this on purpose. (I am probably gonna use ep that were not released yet when your video came around. but I descovered the show two weeks ago and I don't know what was out or not on march 2017. ) Lapis first ep is great as you said it. and she is shown full of a rage that steven gonna shut down a bit by giving her back her wings. Lapis story told us that she was on vacation on earth: sound quite fancy and we can assume that she was an aristocratic gem. she goes back to HW wanting back her life. But she has not evolve at all. Lapis was traped. of course in her head HW would be exactly like she left it she has not change mentaly, she rely on memory that have probably been idealized by the time in the mirror... Then she come back to earth with Peri and Jasper. we understand that she has been interrogate (confirmed later in the show when she get mad at peridot for that very reason) after the rage we see someone with PTSD. afraid of her abuser. that's why she ask steven to let her in the cell. she is ready to loose her freedom again to avoid facing the wrath of HW gems. we are discovering a new facet of lapis. she is afraid. being trap did not scared her at all. only make her mad. but the way she has been treated on HW has created a new lapis. one ready to lie on the floor and just let things happen.... the ship crash she survived and jasper ask her to fuse.... Like you said : she choose to trap jasper and torture her. and yet the show always present her like a victim... and that's what I find brilliant :we see her throught *steven eyes*. and at that time steven can still be childish. he likes lapis and he choose to believe in her good side. and he thinks that she sacrifices herself...he shows her to us like he see her. Jasper escape and we meet her again on the boat... and she said "I tought I was a brute but you are a monster" and lapis did not deny. she admit loving torturing jasper knowing it's wrong but missing the feel. she did not send jasp away because she was scared but tempted and was trying to not fall for that sadistic part of her created by her rage and abuse. About the peridot and lapis episode : the broken recorder was obvious. because lapis has became an abuser. And when she destroy the recorder : it's bullying. she do that for the same reason she lied to jasper about the fusion stuff. she want to make the people around as miserable as she feels. just to try to feel better. that theorie is enforced when navy rubby fall and pretend to fit on earth, Lapis get mad: she can't accept that someone not gonna struggle like she did. Lapis writing has created a character with victim complex. anger issu that she choose to deal by becoming an abuser and pstd syndrom. she is an awful beeing. but she is still on the side of the "nice guys" not because she is nice but because it is easier for her. if you see it that way lapis writting is great because it follows what she is supposed to be : a bully. Even her escape on the moon prove it. she is ready to leave without anything but when peridot choose to stay so she strips peridot from everything by taking the barns.
I often think she became worse after fusing with Jasper. Adding to her already victim complex then being fused with a sadist. To which Jasper admits she was, and Lapis shows that she is a monster and realizes she does have problems with her. Were Gems are more like computers at most, she isn't sure how to approach this knowledge, but does know it's not right. Despite all this, Steven still tries for her as does Peridot. And Lapis does get some comfort from this side of things. She's by no means a saint, but wanting every character to be your ideal of a 'good person' isn't how the world works.
For Malachite, it's portrayed that she was created by "big bad Jasper" and trapped Lapis, but in reality, Lapis agreed in the ordeal and *KEPT IT THAT WAY* That is the equivalent of agreeing to get into a toxic relationship for the *SOLE PURPOSE* to trap and torture the other person. Look at the clip of Malachite trying to unfuse, and claw away from the water when she was being dragged by chains. THAT WAS JASPER. Does that look like the action of the evil mastermind? Lapis could've just let her go, free away and honestly let the Crystal gems defeat her. I have so much rage about this. Jasper's no saint, but Lapis honestly seems worse. Jasper honestly just has homeworld values and was doing her job.
littleblueclovers Doing her job?! Bull crap! She was trying to get revenge and settle the score. And when Jasper took control of Malachite she tried to destroy anything and everyone. Also, if Jasper hated it so much, why was she begging to go back to that?
Night Rise Jasper's "job" is to fight and destroy. She's like a military weapon. When she mocks and looks down upon amethyst, or fusions, that's just homeworld mentality. Even Peridot thought like that at some point. As Malachite she'd want to destroy everyone, because that's what she's supposed to do. Crystal gems are "traitors" and "rebels" in the war, and this is just a continuation of it. In her eyes, they're just a group of traitors who left homeworld, caused a war and shattered pink diamond. Jasper didn't like fusing, but she also knows that there's no way she's going to be able to do anything on earth alone and stranded like this. So she goes back to Lapis who she fused with before, and the least "pro-crystal gem".
littleblueclovers littleblueclovers Jasper is pro Homeworld I get that. But she has a choice. She CHOISE to go back to earth. She said she only came back because she wanted to see it turn to dust. It wasn’t an order. Peridot requested her help, she could’ve said no. But she went anyway to cause harm. And she didn’t like fusing at first, but then she went to Lapis for that power not only to finish that job BUT BECAUSE SHE LIKED IT! Jasper is power hungry. She does whatever it takes to gain more of it. Not to get done with tasks, not to fight for her Homeworld, but to get revenge and cause destruction.
Ok cool but if there was a crazy bitch trying to kill my friends I'd trap that bitch too, whats your point? Is she supposed to gently put Jasper in a corner and say "No."
Crewniverse: in the show there is no real '' villain'', just misunderstandings. SU fandom: X character is clearly a villain, problematic and disgusting. Y character is a poor cinnamon roll that needs to be protected...
@Tam873 I know right they say there is no black and white then they make characters clearly the villan of the story when people who they forgave have done worse
Tam873 They haven’t really technically forgiven the Diamonds, the Diamonds just agreed to help them undo corruption and some other stuff happened.... I think?
you're totally right, this show has no villains at all, the cartoon shows that people can ALWAYS change, and there's no totally good or bad people, only bad choices, its sad how a cartoon about love has a fandom with so much hate, I like all characters, the only one I dont like is Jasper, but I dont hate her too, but I'm still waiting her to change for the better (because Jasper in the ship didn't really change at all, that's a common excuse abusers uses to the victim accept them back lol)
Damn, you just summed up pretty much every Lapis v.s. Jasper debate ever. Its either Jasper is perfect or Lapis is perfect. People really do need to realize that neither of the characters are perfect, and thats what makes them good.
Lapis lazuli is Not A Good Person At All. I seriously hate every one who is related to lapis, the biggest fans of her, love her, help her and wanting to protect her. Worst of all I think her distant shore song sucks cum and is absolutely sick, disgusting and irritating to her in season 5 episode 17 can’t go back part 1.
@@goshe-nite4843 , Yes and Excuse me I actually forgive lapis now. I had gave grace to her. I get and understand her whole life and characteristics now. And yet everyone all around the whole planet earth deserves a second or a third chance to change their own minds, personally, thoughts and his or her own personal opinions.
Jasper is obviously a villain, but at least her motivation isn't fueled by self-fulfilling vengeance. Jasper enjoyed the narrow-minded Homeworld ideal of her gemstone, and her actions makes sense when you compare them to what she thinks she needs to do as a Jasper. Jasper loves power, fighting and, is extremely loyal to Pink Diamond. The CG are a threat to the ways of Homeworld, and that's why she perceives them as an enemy. Lapis is only serving herself. Broken, sure, but Like S.O.O. said I'm tired of her using that as an excuse, to continue being stuck in her emotional turmoil. She's in a position now where she can begin her healing process, where the CG accept her and give her a home. She has Peridot, who is open and willing to help her, and yet she's still refusing to grow. I understand the depressive, hopeless feelings that cloud the ability to think about a brighter future. I know how difficult it is to take the hand of someone who claims to be there to help, but I cannot accept that Lapis is a good character. I dont know when the Crewniverse is going to give Lapis that push or reason to start being a better person (or at least give her characteristics that balance out her negatives like Peridot) , but I hope it comes along because they could do so much with her.
After being hurt for years, it is hard to reach out. Out of fear of being hurt again. I was abused, and I haven't been for... 3-4 years now?- but it took me SO long to be able to heal. The people around can't fight your own, inner battle. Only you can win it. It's harder to let others help if you've spent so much time fighting a one man battle anyway.
butlerkitties no I think she was designed to act like the victim while doing things for herself. that's why they don't put the spotlight on her that much, and she isn't that apologetic. it'll come in the story
Honestly, I tried with Lapis. I really did, and I really wanted her to find happiness, but Raising the Barn pushed things way too far. All throughout the episode, Lapis is annoyed at Peridot for wanting to bring the barn and all her possessions with her. After Peridot says she doesn't want to go, however, Lapis takes the barn when she leaves. After Peridot had specifically stated that she wanted to fight for the life they had built rather than ripping it out of the ground, it seems nothing but vindictive when Lapis rips it all out of the ground anyway. Not only that, but throughout the entire episode one gets the impression that Peridot is constantly bending over backwards (both figuratively and literally) to keep Lapis happy, and that this isn't just a once-in-a-while sort of thing. Peridot has been suppressing her own wants and needs all this time, just to keep Lapis from getting upset. I loved this character, but no one deserves to live in an environment where they have to constantly walk on eggshells, or bend over backwards to appease someone. Peridot deserve better, and she needs to spend some time with friends who actually care about her well-being.
yes,it is your fault because you're in control of you own actions,you have no one too blame but your self for your life being shit.just cause someones home life was shit growing up does not give them an excuse to be a piece of shit.
You are only showing off how dumb you are too everyone,i am not apart of the steven universe fandom,you are just making assumptions about me. practically the entire fandom would disagree with most of my view points on the show. Also,accusing me of being "ablist" just show how immature you are. If taking responsibility for your actions is considered "ablist" then that just demonstrates that you have the mentality and thought process of a child. If i had a friend who had a mental illness I would do the best that I can to help them,I would not coddle them,i wouldn't treat them like a child or a toddler,i would treat them as an adult. If you are not willing to be an adult and take responsibility for your choices and actions,then no one can help you,I would not help someone if they are unwilling too actually grow as a person. You are the one with the toxic mind set,your way of thinking would help no one.
I’m indifferent about her honestly. She’s had some great moments, but she doesn’t do enough for the show. I still see potential in her, and she can redeem herself any time now.
Geez, even LARS of all people is a better character now. If Jasper's character ever gets developed, then Lapis would then _really_ stick out like a sore thumb. It would become very, _very_ easy to see that she's just the worst gem on the show. And honestly it's a shame too. She used to be my fav character as well. 😢
I use to hate Lars but I realized me and Lars are the same and his arc is what made me notice that, and I appreciate him more than Lapis and I use to only hate their characters.
I found the failure of the fans to understand Lapis was abusive to be one of the biggest failings of the fan base. And I can certainly agree with your duel proposition that Lapis is neither a 'good person' via their actions or remorse nor a 'good character' in the development that has happened so far.
I relate to her honestly when you get so scarred and hurt for so long you start to hurt other people out of anger and fear and hatred at those who hurt you and yourself.i too lash out and am petty and salty and hurtful. there is no justifying it but its pretty realistic. I still believe lapis can change. I like lapis.
Bina Hillards Because Lapis lied about Steven and put Jasper's mission in jeopardy. Jasper didn't hurt her though. Jasper was just doing her job and if Lapis didn't lie she probably wouldn't have been confined. It would be unwise to let Lapis roam around where she could easily find Steven and help them escape as Jasper knew that Lapis couldn't be trusted.
Not to mention after ruby stoled the ship she just laugh hahaha yeah your right oh by the way we're screwed now cause she gonna go tell homeworld but hey atleast you were right I get it you find it hard that she would want to live here but the thing is some poeple are different from others living in a new place can be hard but for others it can be easy lapis I think was being a baby
Sassy Towel it played out like 'let me give you a gift from the bottom of my heart yet again, to make you feel better and forgive me while understanding I could help you with your struggle.' Lapis proceeds to crush the gift and call it garbage.
I feel like i'm the only person who hates Lapis. In the earlier days i really liked her and found her interesting, but now she just feels like a dark and edgy teenager. She didn't even feel remorse for almost drowning Connie, we should to root for her, and yet she feels like a plain jerk. I don't know, she just rubs me the wrong way, somehow i even like Jasper more than her. Update: I still don't like her at all, I understand her character but it's just tiring.
In my opinion she is that way because it's her past I honestly think anyone would be sad or dark since she was so hurt in her past. She was literally involved in war and she didn't even want to be in a war.
I honestly have mixed feelings for her, while yeah she has amazing moments but she's problematic as hell and honestly is bipolar as hell. Then blames people for everything or tries to find something bad out of every situation. It's honestly annoying.
Yeah. I cant even imagine how it must felt - having your Diamond be shattered and then life pretty much without any purpose , i think i would do the same thing as Jasper did if i was at her place - I would propably snap like she did and i think i would maybe even go more instane than she did. Read that fanfic is you want to see Jasper be happy... and then have your heart broken and fixed again and sgain
The episode that made me despise Lapis was room for ruby, where she hates navy because she can adapt to Earth and Lapis can't. And then to top it off, she cheers that they were betrayed because she said she was right. When in reality, she was just whining because someone was willing to not hate everything she saw.
N G-H yes but if you really think about it peridot helps lapis a lot especially with her character development she's a perfectly imperfect gem and I can see her potential. I think it's because I think she left earth so that she can collect her thoughts and become a better person altogether I think only then lapidot can be at its best point
Personally I think she would have been better as a character had she taken the downward spiral to antagonist. Her personality and actions up to this point would have suited that specific type of character development to a "t". Besides, I think this show needs a character like that.
CartoonJunky but how else would she move to the barn with peridot, and be the butt of all the jokes, never growing as a character, instead being forced into some weird romance situation with someone she used to despise.
Rhys Speight I swear if she becomes romantic with peridot im going to be so mad. I hope they do as you say and make her backstab the crystal gems so she finally can get her real redemtion.
I think you're giving Jasper too much credit...regardless of how remorseful she might've seemed or the fact that she dropped to her knees, she and Lapis displayed all the hallmarks of an abusive/toxic relationship. Lapis finally decided to take the hardest step in such a relationship; walking away. Prior to this she knew she didn't live up to Steven's (who she respects the most) standards and she'd never forgive herself until she completely cut ties with her guilty pleasure of taking out all of her anger on Jasper. As for Jasper....All anyone has to do is watch Earthlings again to see if she's truly changed like she claimed....she literally forced herself onto another gem to fuse, clearly demonstrating that she's just as susceptible to fall back into old patterns. For Lapis to have accepted her in Same Old World would've just further created a vicious cycle for the both of them.
The reason Jasper is still fusion hungry is because she expected Lapis to help her out of it. Instead she just shot her through the boat, and that was it. Jasper seems like an empty person, filled with self loathing due to her being from the same planet that killed her leader, and its very likely she received much harassment from Homeworld gems because of that fact. The rubies may have respected her, but keep in mind rubies are low-class gems that hardly share the same opinions as other higher-ranked ones. Through the StevenBomb Jasper has been beaten by many fusions, which eventually warped her into a mindset that only fusing will she be victorious, and fill that void that she carried.
Jensen Peacock You're still making excuses for her and expecting too much on Lapis' behalf. Why would Lapis need to help Jasper out of anything? We're talking about the same gem who took part in making Lapis a prisoner *once again* after spending thousands of years trapped in a mirror. Her numbness to whatever psychological issues Jasper has are justified; she doesn't owe her anything.
macoricio21 Jasper didn't in prison Lapis. Jasper was doing her job escorting Peridot back to earth. Jasper didn't really do anything to her that caused her to be captured.
Saying she was just following orders is an excuse. Jasper and Peridot still did that shit to Lapis. This analysis of Lapis is super lacking and misreading the major themes behind Lapis' characters and commentary on abusive relationships. It's actually quite victim blaming and dangerous
Erica S now I'm not saying it as an excuse, Jasper is still an asshole but it's not like she specifically targeted Lapis. she was supposed to be an escort, Peridot was the one who interrogated her.
After seeing Holly Blue Agate and her behavior towards her subordinates (Earth gems) and theorizing Lapis was a member of Blue Diamond's court, I think snobbish and dickish behavior is a part of Blue Diamond's court members... Sapphire is an exception since she actually gave up her title as an aristocrat and a Homeworld gem for Ruby's safety. I think Lapis Lazulis, being terraforming gems, are considered very important (probably as or even more important than Sapphires) and are spoiled rotten because of it. The Lapis we know seems to be a by-product of this, and is actually supposed to act this way. I think she isn't even supposed to be the damsel in distress the fans see her as, but rather her own character (an edgemaster). I also think that Lapis acts this way because while she has accepted the fact that she has to stay on Earth, she still has a Homeworld-esque POV. She treats Jasper and Peridot like garbage because both of them are in lower castes than she is. Would an arrogant aristocrat treat an engineer or a soldier equally? Or would she look down at them? The answer is obvious, since Lapis is an arrogant aristocrat, Peridot is an engineer and Jasper is a soldier. And I believe caste plays a huge role in redemption. If you look at the Crystal Gems, except for Sapphire, all of them are lower-caste or middle-caste gems: Rose and Amethyst are Quartz soldiers, Bismuth is an architect, Ruby is a bodyguard/frontman and Pearl is a servant. Since they're in lower castes, they're more down-to-earth and empathetic than the others, seeing the beauty in "simpler" things (in Homeworld's eyes) such as the Earth. Sapphire also has this ability because she can see many possibilities, so she chooses the nicest one. But Lapis isn't insightful, she doesn't care about anyone but herself. Why would she do anyways? They're all beneath her. And usually, narcissistic people don't accept their flaws and mistakes, Lapis seems to be like that too. So, that's my theory on Lapis and her behavior, what do you guys think?
This makes a lot of sense, I never even considered that! Great theory. I think she will change over time though, we've seen her develop a bit. We know she is still pretty depressed but is gradually letting go of that and becoming happier with Peri.
That's an interesting theory, and actually would make a lot of sense. I still like Lapis and her introduction was amazing, but I agree with the video that lots of her development needed to be fleshed out more. With Peridot and the crystal gems she kind of just was ok with them all of a sudden and I guess she could have been called out for some of her actions even if she did express remorse for pretty much everything she did in alone at sea. But the video seemed to just ignore the fact that Jasper was a pretty formidable gem who had nothing on her mind at the time but murdering the crystal gems, she wasn't exactly misunderstood and it's harder to give someone a chance when they're fully capable of killing you and want to.
I have nothing against people who suffer from mental illnesses (having suffered social anxiety for my whole life and growing up with a mother who not only has depression, but also frequent anxiety attacks) and I didn't say I hate Lapis as a character. She's actually one of my favorites and I'm eager for her to grow more as a character. Yes, I feel bad for her at times too: She has to adapt into a new culture and can't do it well because she also wants to hang on to her long-lost past. And I know Jasper had bad-intentions and I know she's a brute, but just because someone has a dark past or suffers from long-term depression doesn't mean they have to complete right to take their frustration out on someone else. And I was just theorizing about how castes may have an effect the flexibility of their respective gems. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I hope your days will at least be better than "I can't bear this anymore!" state, I know how terrible it can be. And I also hope that I've made myself clear without being rude, harsh or offensive. - Xenon
Actually, I like Lapis but not the actual canon character. A lot of the time, the fans can take a half baked idea of a character or story arc and run away with it, making the fanon even better than the canon (i.g Tad Strange). That's why I love reading fanfiction and comics and art and animations that do so much more with Lapis and make her the character we all wish she was.
To an extent I agree with you. Though I find you do it to a point you antagonize her quite a bit. She's been trapped for thousands of years with a conscious mind with some knowledge of what happened over years yet couldn't do anything else. She was used like a recorder for most of the time in the mirror and then was left inside Pearl after the war was over being in practically complete isolation. Steven was the person in years she interacted with and have a similar reciprocation of enjoyment and he showed kindness and joy after all those years. Who knows, it may be some of the most she had since she existed. He also other than Garnet actually noticed her and even was the one who freed her even though a Gem like Garnet and Rose Quartz knows her existence. I'm not too surprise of her personality as well you did mention she may have a purpose of terraforming the world and if that's true many human homes, environment, and even civilizations, as well as many lives would be lost. She probably did know about the blueprints the Crystal Gems found on the moon. That is likely why she has little to no remorse to even apologize is because she did what she was made for and only saw the job no one else's perspectives. The Diamonds have little sympathy for anyone except for those they are genuinely close to, most gems worship the diamonds and that may be some of the few or even forms of affection many gems of Homeworld have. Lapiz would likely for now, only really have any remorse, kindness, or sympathy to those she forms a close bond to. She also the type to easily want vengeance since she barely have a code or sympathy or moral due to her job and lack of intimate or close interaction and bonds. When angry people are likely to have their emotions take over rather than thinking over her actions before she does any form of procedure. She also did debated over the time she remeet with Jasper but it seem justifiable at that moment that she eject Jasper because she did declare from just Steven's interventions that she'll SHATTER him. People to an extent are bias and Lapiz later ventre more to be less bias. Lapiz need more interactions with more individuals and more often to build more and into her personality and maybe faster, since each individual have their own perspectives and advice they can share or bring to her mind, as well as gain more features of compassion and sympathy. An example of those who improved more through their interactions with multiple people other than Peridot who was with a larger group more often than Lapiz is Flame Princess from Adventure Time who really grew up once she was released and had the responsibility of caring for her kingdom forming herself. People have their own rated of forming and adapting along with interacting and I'm so slow and terrible at it. Another example of how interaction with people can affect a person and develop as a person is when Rose Quartz who introduce them to try being their own person and going forward towards their desires
This is a relatively old video, but I'm glad I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I'm personally a Lapis fan, but I knew there are lots of people who dislike or even hate her and I wanted to understand their perspective. This video was super interesting and I actually completely agree with it! Thought Lapis still is one of my favorites, she can be rather problematic.
I've always seen her as a sociopath, like she literally fits all the descriptions. Also fitting is the way that she is popular in a way, others, such as jasper, peridot, and Steven, try their best to appease her (as sociopaths often are). I mean the definitional symptoms are "antisocial, caring neither for societal rules, norms, and laws, nor for other people" and "unable or unwilling to learn from negative consequences". Sociopaths also often play the victim card. Literally "failure to follow any life plan" is also a part of this, as would explain the inconsistency of her character. This would be an incredibly effective portrayal of sociopathy, as this is how it is presented naturally in relationships, regardless of if those around them can identify them as being sociopaths. Sociopaths are seldom recognized as such by those around them. This in no way means she is inhuman, as sociopaths are people and do have relationships, marriages, and meld well into daily life, but it would be an incredible facet of this character
Fawn Park actually the difference between psicophat and sociopath is that psicos are born while socios are the product of a huge trauma related to isolation like for example Been thousands of years traped in a mirror. Which is a reason why solitary confinement is starting to be seeing as torture in some countries xd so your theory is actually pretty plausible
Fawn Park Likely, she's a non-violent sociopath. They're the most common of all sociopaths, so her actually being so angry and violent would definitely be more easily seen as her finally snapping.
you are right sir. lapis displays lots of psycho/sociopathic behavior, all the time. she is nice to steven and peridot after both have proven to be nice and useful to her. and she is especially nice to them when its about HER. it seems almost weird how good lapis fits in in some situations like the baseball game. since RS planned the mirror gem from the very start, what if lapis theme song is actually "love like you"?
It was weird how I hated Lapis since day one but now you put it into words; she never owns up to her mistakes and is an overall shitty character. Even before I was a fan of Jasper I hated her. And it's frustrating when you think that it was Lapis being the abuser but 80% of the rest of the fandom thinks it was Jasper. And you get scoffed at for it. no joke, it has happened before. thank you for calling out the bullshit that's everyone's blue "uwu my angel" waifu Lapis Lazuli. yuck.
Ryan Carson sure, Jasper wanted power. she was in a dire situation and was her last resort. But Lapis wanted revenge. Lapis could have easily gotten out Jasper's grasp. But it was her desire for revenge, on anyone, that had her decide to stay.
Joshua Adeosun hey, i myself am an avid watcher of Vox. I dont completely agree BUT I am actually open to agree on the concept that both of them abused each other. I just don't like it when people holler at me saying it was all Jasper's fault. because if they were both at fault, like you mentioned, Lapis takes most of the blame.
In light of the recent episode "Raising The Barn", I think Lapis' character makes a lot more sense actually. Her "inconsistent characterization by the crewniverse" is actually just who she is, I think. I think she has PTSD, so half the time she's pretending to be fine and doesn't address her issues, retreating behind a lazy and sarcastic, but also somewhat silly and fun-loving personality. But whne she gets triggered (yes, this is the proper use of that word), she's laser-focused on trying to prevent repeating her past traumatic experiences, and becomes blind to other people's feelings and needs, steamrolling over everyone with her water powers and berating them. It's not the crew handling her badly, it's Lapis handling herself badly.
I cant thank you enought for this video. This is the first one i ever watched from your channel and I am so glad I did. Just like you, I was in love by Lapis' story since the beginning, but what they did with her development destroyed all my dreams about her. Also, Jasper is my favorite character and YOU SR, is the verry first person to actually take in consideration the things that Lapis did to her. Specially, that when Jasper was on her knees, she treated her like thrash. So THANK YOU! I will be sharing this video with my friends!
You Lapis fans are switching the whole thing around and twisting stories (+bombshell) The lapis fans were the one who were saying she was such a blue angel kind matyr caring and just the angel of god, now that we prove good points your twisting it saying she is hated? Peridot was forgived because she actually redeemed herself. most people hated peridot for the longest time. but when she redeemed herself, she was forgiven, because she changed. lapis has yet to change, and sorry but i dont think she ever will. She victimizes herself too much
Bombshell Angel Peridot did realize what she was doing was wrong she was indoctrinated into the diamond's ideology. Because of being taught by the gems she learns that life on earth is special and it takes time but we see her develop. With Lapis she changes but it's hard to understand why. Peridot had to have her supreme ruler personally admit to being corrupt and not resourceful. But with Lapis...I don't know? She made a friend? It just seems badly written
I'm still sitting here waiting for any character development for Lapis, which may never come sadly. I feel even Onion can have more development if you give him more episodes.
Like I wanted to like Lapis so badly but the writers just continue to have her not developed and all she does is complain or come off as a jerk instead of someone who is suppose to be snarky. I'm really tired of waiting for her to be better written. I've waited enough.
Take It Slow i dunno man, in the.middle of that episode, Lapis also said, "Theres something wrong with me.." and she even apologises to Navy. (before they got onto the ship and got trolled by navy lololol)
Wait, people still see Lapis as a damsel character? ...She's being played as a damsel?! I thought the 'I am broken and my actions are out of line with the messaging of the show' was the whole POINT of Lapis...when she admits that what she did with Jasper was wrong, I was hopping that Jasper and Lapis would be EACHOTHER'S redemption...that through each other they could learn their own flaws and fix themselves. Jasper respect's Lapis's power...being put in that position would naturally make lapis have to inspect herself and confront her issues, rather than the 'ignore and coast' thing she's got going on right now. And Jasper, seeing this physically powerful person that she respects be broken under the weight of responsibility, might see things aren't all about physical power and rank. I didn't know any one considered Malachite a 'self sacrifice'. It was so clearly said to be an act of aggression...every time Lapis talks about it, she mentions something about how she did it to feel powerful.
Scottthespy Exactly! Not to mention that to a certain point she never wanted to defuse. She is still salty about many things, which she has worked on getting over them, but every time she moves forward she tends to keep a firm grasp of the past until it's affecting her present moments visibly. It's like a reutine she is stuck in. I've seen this personally and it's such a long process too. Many people expect her to be fine within a season and quickly build up from there but it doesn't work like that. It's been taking her an entire season to make one solid step forward and that's not even regarding how big that said step is.
Mighty interesting that people can’t even say that Lapis reminds us of people who’ve abused us without being told we’re wrong and that Lapis isn’t an abuser.
I think you bring up very good points. However, I disagree with your conclusion. You are correct in pointing out the flaws in her character and I agree that she is a very flawed person, possibly the worst character in the show when referring to personality. I also agree that she is not a very well-developed character, but she could certainly be worse. But even if the whole forced fusion thing is a misunderstanding, you can't ignore that Lapis has gone through severe trauma and is probably suffering from multiple disorders. If I remember correctly, Lapis was caught in the middle of a war she wasn't particularly involved in, the rebellion. Being in the middle of a war is traumatic enough on its own, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. She was trapped into a mirror, and used as a tool, for the Homeworld Gems throught she was a Crystal Gem. Eventually, after she showed no sign of being able to help them they *abandoned her for 1,000 years.* And for all that time, she was conscious, and she was alone. And you know what she was probably doing? Thinking about how the Crystal Gems caused this. If they hadn't rebelled, the Homeworld gems wouldn't have captured her. And she hates Homeworld now, too. She hates *everyone.* And spending all of that time alone out there, unable to even move? It probably drove her to the brink of insanity. And then she was saved. She felt a little glimmer of hope when Pearl picked her up after who-knows-how-long. She thought she might actually be free. Maybe, for the first time in forever, she was hopeful. Excited, even. And what did the Crystal Gems do with her? Well, they sure didn't free her. And the hope went away. It hurt Lapis. She never wanted to hope again. Even if she wasn't trapped by Jasper in the way we are led to believe, Lapis has gone through extraordinary trauma. Yes, many other characters have gone through trauma as well and they came out sane(ish), and the response is to say: Well Lapis is a terrible person, always whining and whimpering about how miserable she is! And, yeah. But maybe she's just expressing her emotions. And we see her as 'bad' because she doesn't know how to express herself. She isn't comfortable with herself. Because really, she's just a grudge-holding person who has suffered at the hands off... well, everyone. Lol I'm sorry for the paragraph XD Anyways even if I disagree I still love your videos and I hope you keep up the amazing work
Although I hate Lapis attitude specially in the newest episodes, I always try to be more empathic with her because I totally understand that what she lived was trauma. Hope someday she can go through all of that.
People TOTALLY LACKS empathy, she was caught, trapped, used and rejected by EVERYONE, of course she's terrible: she's full of fear, traumatized, worried and very scared of everything, everytime. She is my favourite character and I totally identify with her, sometimes it's not so easy to overcome so many things in a few months. U_U
'they abandoned her for 1,000 years' It's actually even worse than that. The gem war was over 5,000 years ago. She was frozen, mute and immobile and fully conscious the whole time, for 5,000 years. It's a wonder she's even still lucid after that. I would have gone insane a long time ago.
So many people bring up the bad things Lapis has been through as if those justify her actions. Guess what? Just because you've felt pain doesn't mean it's okay to inflict it on others. Everyone makes mistakes, but you need to apologize when you do, and Lapis doesn't. Every relationship/friendship she's ever had has been based on malicious manipulation; she deceived Jasper so she could trap her at the bottom of the ocean and torture her for months on end, she intimidated Peridot to the point where Peridot was afraid of bringing up certain topics or saying anything that made her angry, and she plays the victim for Steven because she knows his empathy makes it impossible for him to argue when she does. Remember when he wanted to rescue her from the fusion? She said, "Just let me do this for you!" But he didn't want that. He never asked her to. She did it because *she* wanted to. She's been shown to be violent against innocent people (Connie and Steven), she roots for others to fail (she celebrated when Navy the Ruby betrayed them instead of being redeemed), and will gladly act weak or show overwhelming power depending on who she's talking to and what she wants to get out of them. The only episode where she was entertaining to me was "Hit the Diamond," and that's because she was calling out/supporting Ruby and Sapphire's flirtation and being hilariously deadpan while doing it. That Lapis hasn't reappeared since.
All very true points! The situation between her and peridot really makes me cringe because I'm very much like peridot, and I just got rid of a lapis friend in my life. It took a while to really understand what they were doing, because like peridot, the people I care about I REALLY care about and its hard to comprehend that they are actually hurting me. but once they were gone it was easy to reflect on how they were really so manipulative, not just with me but with so many people in their life. It makes me sick to think people ship lapis and peridot now :(
I think this himedere attitude is maybe du to the fact that she ils part of the court of blue. I think she is a very important gem(she's the only lapis we have heard of and in the song of yellow, they seem to be important and very powerdul), when you see the way she act and so, she don't feel the need to feel(or say) sorry or something like that. She had say it in the épisode she was introduced: "do you know WHO i used to be?!!"(yes, arrogant... A bit) Oh, i agree with the vidéo , and it's cool to see that many people actually see it that way, lapis do not act well allé the time and did some terrible thing(especially with péridot and Jasper) and she didn't feel or say sorry. But i think that this attitude can be explained by this😐(sorry for the mistake i speak french,not english)
Lapis Lazuli is like Azula, but you actually feel sorry for Azula. Azula was used and abused by her father. Unlike Zuko, she was craving for her father's approval. I used to like Lapis but not anymore. Lapis Lazuli is also like Helga G. Pataki. There's a reason why Helga is the way she is. She has a reason to act out because her mother is an alcoholic while her father is abusive. Her sister is the favorite and she had to go to preschool ALL BY HERSELF. Her mom and dad didn't even give her a ride to school, they were too busy praising Olga. No wonder Helga resents her older sister, but it's NOT Olga's fault. Olga is just as damaged because she's a perfectionist. She has to live up to her father's expectations.
I just get irritated how lapis keeps creating problems just out of spite and can’t control her emotions or use common sense to try to understand other character’s emotions. It’s extremely frustrating😫
Yeah, honestly. Lapis is the most pissy, petulant, illogical character in the show. I had my fill of her and more when she broke Peridot's most precious possession. She bores me entirely at this point.
I really needed a video like this. Proof how Lapis isn't the BEST character in Steven Universe I find it funny how people feel the need to defend Lapis in this comment string. I never once said Lapis was a bad character or/and was the "WORST". Even I agree their development is going to take time considering they have been imprisoned inside a mirror for thousands of years. All I was trying to say was that if someone were to ask you, " Who has the best character DEVELOPMENT in the series?" Lapis shouldn't be your FIRSt answer. Lapis should be the FIRST answer to, " Who needs more work and time done in the series to actually get some character development done?" I'm fond with the concept of Lapis, also I enjoy the character at a certain extent, but their way of thinking isn't always the best, and could be a liability
Retro Random but I still like her. I actually think she's a relatable character. always blaming others, feels like everything happened just to her. you know? it's common for people to be like that
I just wished people would stop treating Lapis as some sort of weak damsel in distress. She's done A LOT of terrible things. Not to mention that she's probably the most powerful gem (except for the diamonds) we've seen so far. She sing handedly took down the Crystal Gems. She may be emotionally broken, but that does not excuse her actions.
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I agree sooooo much...She's gone from a potentiality great character in "Mirror Gem" to a half-plot device, half-comedic relief character now. :( What a shame.
Lapis is supposed to be problematic. She’s a victim of trauma with twisted morals and a skewed view on life. This is all intentional for her character. That’s why I love her. As for Jasper and Lapis, to me, they were both toxic towards each other. Lapis was physically abusive and Jasper was emotionally abusive. Is she a good person? That depends on what your ideology is. Based on her actions, no but at heart I think she is. She has good intentions, as twisted as they can be. Kind of like a high functioning sociopath.
Snowbirdie Inc I agree. All the signs that lapis is showing is signs of PTSD. But she has done her case of good things just like she has with her bad things.
Just like Aidan Hodgson said, she does good things and bad things. Everyone does good and bad things and that’s what makes lapis good. She is a more relatable character and has had good development, but still shows how certain things can permanently harm you. You can’t just turn it off.
Being hurt doesn't give the excuse to hurt others... And Jasper was not abusive... She asked for lapis's consent, got it, and ended up being trapped. Lapis even admitted later on she liked taking out all her emotions out on Jasper.
Honestly, TBH, Lapis is an unlovable character to me Personally, because I've been through/experienced abuse and Trauma from someone who ID'd as Lapis Lazuli. So, personally, IDK, I think she sucks. Like, she Stinks. Major dookey-doo-doo.
All these dislikes *scream* that they are from people who desire to do nothing but protect and baby Lapis. The thing is, there are times where I do appreciate her character. Mirror/Ocean Gem? An intriguing character that mystified us all and foreshadowed future lore of the gems. Alone at Sea? A great in depth look at someone who sees their reflection and hates herself for what she did, but struggles to fight back from her inner demons. But learns to say no; not because she's facing off her abuser, but because she was the one who caused the pain and suffering, and wants the cycle to end. The story of Malachite and how it effected both of them is much more complex than people realize, and how morally gray the situation is (with Lapis being the one to make the other suffer, while Jasper the warrior is the one who suffers but wants to come back to the relationship) creates this unsettling story that captivated me... except for the fact not much else has been done with it at all. Other than that, all the tension Lapis had between the Crystal Gems (including Peridot) is nonexistent. Peridot being her interrogator? Nah, suddenly they are BFFs (also a rushed problem in and of itself)! Being trapped in a mirror? Aside from a few jokes, nothing is settled. She hands around the gems like it's no problem (see Hit the Diamond). Except the last times she saw them they were either facing off Jasper or fighting Lapis's water clones. Excuse me? What conflict? They were brushed off for a character who makes jokes about how much she hates Earth, how she almost drowns people, etc. Which is only funny for so long because these things need to be discussed, else something is missing within the story. Whew, I wrote way more than I anticipated. Knowing quite a bit of Lapis Lazuli fans who baby her to death makes me exhausted just thinking about her potential and how it's slowly disintegrating.
Missingangle She had potential to one day in the battle field to choose Homeworld or Steven or she had.potential for cautious interactions with the rest and her Peridot friendship was rushed Lapis could've healed Jasper and instead they shove her in the barn
Oh, I understand that. People will dislike just for the hell of it, or they didn't like something else about it. But almost 500 dislikes on a video saying that Lapis Lazuli is not a good character? I've seen Lapis Lazuli stans on, say, Tumblr; they get incredibly defensive. So a huge mount of dislikes can be for the reasons you said, but I still stand by my point.
Oh, no, of course I don't understand depression at all. I clearly don't have a close relative who I love who goes through it daily and needs to take medication to not feel like garbage and and shit and has revealed to me that they have had suicidal thoughts before. No, you clearly think I have a great life just because I do not like how this character is written. Great correlation! Hah! Just stop and next time, don't assume things out of people. Just because I have problems with a character doesn't mean I fail to understand what she may be going through. Also, yes, it's clear Lapis does have problems and likely some sort of mental illness. It's clear in how she prefers to keep to herself and bottles things up until she lashes out (Room for Ruby was a great example of this, and one of my favorite Lapis episodes, honestly. Really shaped up the character a touch, but it doesn't fix everything). She has trouble communicating with others and isn't great at socializing, especially with humans. But first off, that does not excuse her actions, such as with Malachite and nearly drowning children. Mental illness does not excuse the actions of people at all. That's a disgusting way of dismissing people's actions. Secondly, of course I'm not asking her to always think positively. My problems with Lapis lie in the fact that her conflicts with the Crystal Gems are currently brushed under the carpet. They never talk about her being in the mirror, her fusing as Malachite, or anything else. Lapis clearly feels bad about what she did, but they have yet for her to find closure with herself and the others-proper closure-and instead, she sits around the barn, hiding from her issues until they'll come back to hurt her. I WANT her to talk about her issues, about how she still hates Earth and the Crystal Gems, but the show isn't giving us that yet. In order to become a better person, this character must discuss these issues she has with people. I find that her arc will be all about freedom-freedom from prisons, freedom from how awful she feels about her actions, freedom from her inner demons that still lurk. And that would make her such a beautiful and powerful character, an example that you can overcome the worst parts of yourself and become a better person despite them. How is THAT offensive, and therefore apparently a right for someone to try and lash out at me? How am I offending people when all I ask is that Lapis *talks* about her problems?
No. These dislikes can come from people who do not agree to the things he says. There are some logical missconceptions during his "rant" and a lot of pretty dumb assumptions (like "we can't predict what she will do when she meets bismuth again").
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!! THANK YOU MR. OTAKU. THANK YOU FOR THIS TRUTH FINALLY. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE. P.S. I love Jasper so much. Initially Lapis was my favorite, but when she did that, she became kinda disgusting imo :l, no longer like her at all.
Also, aren't you looking at Lapis through a very black and white lens? I mean, you go from saying Jasper went begging on her knees for Lapis to just attack her like a monster, without mentioning that Lapis attacked because Jasper was about to attack Steven... Lapis isn't a good or bad person. She's a flawed person.
Both lapis and peridot are nothing to this show anymore. Nothing but comic relief. Haha, look at the wacky barn friends, doing nothing of note while the real characters do the important stuff! I hate it. Lapis was way too quick to decide that she thinks earth and peridot are just swell. Literally, she gets one episode of resistence. It's fucking ridiculous.
In the return and jail break, Peridot was so cold. She had no problem blasting Steven with the ship at all. Now in newer episodes, it's excused as loyalty to the diamonds and acted all happy go lucky "I LOVE MUH DIAMOND.". Jasper doesn't excuse being cold and hating earth due to the fact that the diamonds tell her to. But she had good development atleast.
A bit late but this. It's a shame that the show doesn't really seem to know what to do with Lapis and Peridot after their (for the lack of a better word) acceptance of life on Earth. Lapis was trapped on the planet not because she was associated with Crystal Gems or the war in any personal way, she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There's so much pent up rage and helplessness that could be explored with Lapis, like a person who's desperate to take back what little control they can because they've been deprived of choice and agency for so long. I think the show slightly touches upon this when Jasper comes back to ask to fuse again, because in a way Lapis and Jasper had similar motivations for forming a destructive fusion--Jasper wanted power, Lapis wanted control--but after that everything that could be interesting with Lapis is brushed off for comedy or "aww Lapis begrudgingly loves living here" tsundere schtick. (Why was she on Earth? What purpose does a Lapis usually serve in Homeworld? She talks of "never belonging on Earth" but she's never really shown that much longing or sense of allegiance for Homeworld either. There's very little of Lapis that the audience knows about so her overall aloofness towards both Earth and Homeworld comes across as an arbitrary gimmick from author's hand rather than a natural reaction.)
Her introduction was fantastic, and it's a crying shame that her character has been potrayed so poorly, I'm sure with time and we'll thought out execution Sugar can make Lapis great again!
So after the most recent 2 episodes of Steven universe and watching other people's explanations for her behavior I fully retract my previous comment, these are the exact symptoms of PTSD, and depression and I jumped on this too soon to make fair judgment.
It would have been cool if she became a villian tbh Kinda like a plot twist! Or They could have gave her a proper redemption arc like peridot :/ She was interesting character with alot of potential just like peridot but her development was executed very badly. Kinda a waste
Wow Jasper is really somehow a good gem. I feel bad for her. Her Diamond, shattered . Abused. Forced to another Diamond. All this and possibly more on Jasper's back, she has been through too much. Now she's corrupted, in a bubble, no hope of getting out. She now has no mind, no one to serve for. I think that Steven could possibly help her, since she is half corrupted. She is broken, shatter (mentaly). I hope people will realize what she's been through. I do.
If you had watched the whole thing, Lapis had a choice to fuse with Jasper. Jasper did not force her to do anything, she only gave her a choice. The corruption was because of being abused and almost everything she has even cared about has been taken. She might one day become a good gem, with a proper chance and strong support. She can be forgiven for what she has done. Her purpose was a war, fighting is all she's ever known. If she could be intoduced to a new way of living, she could still keep fighting and live as a crystal gem! I think Jasper is an amazing character, but she just needs a chance to change her ways.
c͓̽r͓̽o͓̽s͓̽s͓̽ c͓̽h͓̽a͓̽r͓̽a͓̽ Jasper is a villain, not a poor abused good person. I don't see why people feel pity for her corruption. She brought it upon herself. I see why people feel pity for her because of malachite and all the abuse she's taken, but she brought her corruption upon herself.
wow this whole video really opened my eyes to things I haven't noticed about Lapis. She is kinda an asshole and while she went through being stuck in a mirror for thousands of years, everyone has issues and don't really have the right to take it out on other people. This video also redeemed Jasper for me cause while Jasper had ulterior motives for forming Malachite, Lapis just basically put Jasper in a dungeon in Malachite mind space if that makes sense, which was a eye for an eye move on Lapis' part but Jasper walked away from waaay more damaged that Lapis was and that's sad. So yeah, I want a redeeming episode for Lapis cause after looking at this video and remembering "Room for Ruby" Lapis knew Navy was on some bull cause if Lapis was in the same situation she would've done the same thing.
I admit, I was one of the gullible people who thought lapis lazuli was pitiful and perfect, but when I saw the scene of her ruining period’s gift, I died inside. NO ONE HURTS PERRY!!
I never noticed all that. But you're totally right. She is portrayed inconsistently, and the show doesn't acknowledge the bad things she's done onscreen as being bad.
I feel like Lapis was great in Mirror Gem and Ocean Gem. In The Message and Jailbreak I still liked her. I still felt the choice to fuse was a poor attempt at self-sacrifice. I was even okay with the way she acted the Chille Tid. But I expected so much from her only to be so let down. She is dry, sarcastic, mean-spirited and the show is either overplaying how badly she was treated or almost joking about it. I thought Lapis had the potential to give us insight into the gems who were caught up in the war without taking a side. She could be the person to show to Steven and the audience that the Crystal Gems aren't always the good guys. But instead, she just jokes around and I've actually come to despise all the episodes with her, Peridot and Pumpkin because they just feel so pointless. For me I don't think Lapis is a bad character in that she's evil, I think she's a poorly written character
I like these facts. Lapis is pretty for sure, but think fans. Do you like lapis? or the IDEA of lapis? She makes me think of girls wanting to date that poplar dude at school just because he's hot and talented but is a total duchebag as a person. But nobody seems to care because "he can change one day".
- Tried to kill Steven and Connie (and a lot of people) - Tortured Jasper in Malachite (who's been beat up enough already with the whole Pink Diamond fiasco) - Not enough backstory!!! - Overly seen as the victim despite all this. - She was (note WAS) a total (other name for donkey) to Peridot (and pretty much everyone). "Where is her song?" well, she might have a tune in this Friday's episode, but not some sort of song about herself (and I honestly thought JASPER would get her song before Lapis :P).
lpsmovingstyles1 There's water witch. And no matter the circumstances Peridot and Jasper were huge jerks and don't really deserve much pity. Lapis tried to warn Steven about them, so she clearly didn't want to be forced to be taken prisoner again and fight her only friend. If there's anything consistent in her character, it's that she adores Steven. I'm not even a big fan of SU, but from what I've seen Lapis isn't bad where people see it. Connie is the only point where she deserves hate for being mean, but that's a huge one.
Croc Gaming pearl never totured jasper and has the most developed backstory of all the characters. I don't remember pearl trying to kill Steven and Connie but she has almost let them die on occasions.
Lapis is a gem that is very confusing but because of the way she was executed it makes her seem bad but if you look more into her actions you will see that she is misjudged and needs to find herself.
I like Lapis, but I liked Jasper so much more. It's refreshing to see that people feel the same way. Seeing characters getting cradled is starting to get a little old.
I will honestly say that Jasper is an amazing character and Malachite is my favorite fusion. But I relate most to Peridot and I have always had hope for Lapis. After watching this video.... I've lost most of my respect for her.
Although her character hasn't been properly explored or developed, I'm still very fond of Lapis. I've always viewed her as a character suffering from PTSD, so her actions may not always make sense e.g. fusing with Jasper and punishing herself in the process because she believes she deserves it. It makes me think of people who have been through severe traumatic experiences of abuse and on a certain level blame themselves for it. Still, it would be great for her character to have a proper 'breakthrough' and resolution from those past events. I'm still holding out hope for a peridot-lapis fusion!
she really shouldn't have stayed in the barn... after her return as malachite, her imprisonment was written off as a joke, and then kind of... swept away until the boating episode, which really wasn't as hard a nerve. I feel like if you could show domestic abuse more clearly in kids shows, her character could've been developed better... but it wasn't. the same thing happened to peridot. she started off as a diabolical do for the mission, even killing a marble in her first appearance because it was cracked. then she was basically team rocket when stranded on earth... then after catch and release she basically acted like an ill-tempered kid... then she became a hipster artist. I feel like, in trying to give these characters more personality, they were taken to their extremes. broken character? make her a pessimistic goth like girl. villainous girl without weaponry? make her a non threatening girl with an attitude. I can understand how their characters got like this, but it breaks away from the forethought of the orig trig of gens: pearl likes having charge and maintaining order, but is actually doubtful of herself because she's not supposed to do that. amethyst is carefree and laid back, but has inner turmoil about her origins and self worth. Garnet is calm for the most part, but when showing emotions, she's extremely raw when dealing with them. these characters had their personalities and flaws planned, while the others... didn't.
When Lapis crushed Peridot's taperecorder that was the moment I stopped trying to tolerate her. I feel no pity for this character and I believe SHE was the abuser in the Malachite relationship
although it's sort of Lapis's own fault for dragging Jasper into the sea in the first place, I mean it's understandable. She was furious. The show never stated who was the abuser or the abused, because Lapis hurt Jasper, but vise versa too. They fucked up each other. It was complicated.
She was such a fascinating character in the beginning that kind of failed later on. It’s important to note that one thing she is good about is keeping me on the edge of my seat. We still don’t know a lot about her and I’m excited to know more!
I like lapis but I do agree she is very underdeveloped, I love the idea of her but its very hard to understand her personality it's always changing.
I also believe she doesn't have to be a good or a bad gem she just lives for herself and to me nothing is really wrong with that cause the only one she truly likes is steven and somewhat peridot.
Maybe she's bi-polar like bad
broken characters are so awesome, and yet the crewniverse seems to not know how to use her correctly, that basically just put her in the barn and kind of forgot her :/
Nella Paulina EXACTLY! At least with Peridot they do stuff with her.
Nella Paulina I AGREE LAPIS IS GREAT
Slobertooth 13 they had an amazing opportunity to make both lapis and peridot grow as characters together. they could have build so much with them, (platonic or romantic, it doesn't matter) they had so many options to make her grow as a character, to see more depth in her 'broken character' role, to do something with her, and yet they barely use her, and show her as a edgy teenager when she just got out of a toxic relationship with jasper :/
Nella Paulina Maybe Lapis isn't the real broken character; after all, didn't Miss Sugar say something about Jasper hating herself and her purpose for existence?? Maybe we still have yet to see how the crewniverse handles a truly broken character...Every one of them has their own level of brokenness, but Steven's has so been the worst...what if that Jasper redemption Ain't far away??
I agree. I can what S.O.O.'s saying, and it has lots of fair points, but I still feel Jasper had a hand in the toxic nature of Malachite, it wasn't just Lapis being manipulative.
for me her design concept and voice is really cool and pretty, however lapis never found character, at times she's the sad trapped soul we should sympathies for and at other times she's the light hearted comic relief.
in the words of a better character
"it could've been great!"
agreed.
Late, but if I understand what u mean I agree. I think Lapis has cool powers, nice voice, pretty look but stupid personality. I cringe everytime when she's like "ME SO POOR AND SAD SO I DESERVE TO DO WHATEVER I WANT NO MATTER IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE OTHERS SAD"
Old vid but can’t help but notice the fact how whenever someone comments “I don’t really like Lapis.” There will always be atLEAST 1 butthurt Lapis fan sending a paragraph of how Lapis is the absolute queen of Steven Universe.
jjash fire he?
jjash fire you’re so fucking stupid
@@Throat_Spray Dam, from that comment I thought Lapis was speaking XD
Chloe can ya not?
Garnet is the queen tho
This comments section is going to become a flood of hating on lapis and people trying to defend her. But hey, WATER you going to do?
Devean Atkinson eeyyy
Devean Atkinson AYYYYYYY
i can already SEA the hate coming, its a TSUNAMI of comments
Nemesis Alex, LOL what's with all these CLAMMY jokes in the comment section
Oh my COD stop it with the puns (^_^)
There's also the problem that Rebecca has said that Malachite was MUTUALLY abusive, BUT the show insists on painting Jasper like the big bad abuser and lapis as the poor fragile victim. Steven KNEW Lapis dragged Jasper into the ocean and was potentially hurting her and DIDN'T CARE, treating lapis as the hero despite the fact that he claims he doesn't like seeing other gems get hurt. He's willing to ask why a Lapis acts the way she does but won't ask Jasper. Mr. 'everyone deserves a chance' will do so for everyone except Jasper, because that's what Rebecca wants to do with her, despite the fact that there's supposedly 'no villian' .Why do you think so many people paint Jasper as the only abuser in the relationship and Lapis as the fragile flower that apparently did nothing wrong? Rebecca says it's not black and white when she clearly is painting it that way.
I heard about the mutually abusive thing. We see how Lapis was abusive but I don't remember how Jasper was abusive.
@@bartman156. people will say because she forced lapis to fuse or something else like that, but lapis wanted to fuse with jasper, with the intention of trapping her.
@@bartman156. THATS THE THING! JASPER DIDNT DO ANY ABUSING! she couldnt have! she was tied down by those water handcuffs and she was like a dog on a leash. and the fact that she wanted to make amends and give malachite another chance because of how powerful it was she wanted not just herself to feel that power but lapis to feel that strength!
He did care, though. He did a lot. However, there was only so much he could do when Jasper was actively trying to kill him.
@@thallium.81 he didn't care in the original show and he didn't care in future, he basically told her to figure it out herself in SUF.
Fine I can admit Lapis isn’t amazing but what about Bob?
Bob is the best
Bob is so cool
Bob is amazing
Life and death and love and Bob and Bob and Bob on the planet earth
Bob is Lapis with a different name. She's still terrible.
Then there was the time that she yelled at Peridot for disagreeing with her on leaving Earth and their allies behind, then shifted the blame onto her by saying she should have said something before, then stole the barn, Peridot's home, which also carried her belongings.
Shao Kahn would _love_ her, as he says: "I like females with fire!"
peridot basically told her to leave
I've never really consistently watched after season 3, so I didnt see all the bad Lapis moments, and for a bit I shipped them. But then I saw that episode and legit realized how shitty Lapis is. She took away everythingt from one of the few people who cared about her and loved her, and just left her behind, an never said sorry.
@@Jdudec367
Peridot: Pinches Lapis
Lapis: Breaks her gem
@@akaniotevanos9861 Wouldn't happen.
To me, Jasper was one of the most interesting characters and I really wanted to see more done with her. It seemed like they didn't really give her a fitting arc, and now she's just corrupted and captured. It felt cheap considering all of the avenues they could've taken.
i am not the biggest fan of lapis because her personality almost feels too _liquid_
I see what you did there 😋
+nuni You need to WATER down on the puns.
these puns make me wanna drown (that's a C- pun)
It seems that decisions and actions (conscious or not) of lapis are always the most convenient for the serie:
"We need to convert the episodic plot to linear" appears Lapis
"We need Jasper to disappear for a while, but not to be defeated" form malachite
"We control the cluster, now we need jasper as a villain" laspis can not keep control of the fusion, overcome malachite and jasper is free
"Now that lapis is free, we can not let her participate in the fights, because she is strong and the conflict would resolve very quickly" we give her a lazy personality, we make her never officially forgive the crystal gems, and we leave her in the barn . (Sorry if there are errors, I used google translate)
Lol so true. Lapis is just a stupid plot device, no wonder she is such s b***h XD
I don't remember any times where the first one happens except for her debut appearance. But that isn't convenient, it's just a transition.
Convenient? I mean all the characters were already there so...while convenient it makes sense.
This was already hinted at before though that Lapis can't keep control of the fusion. This would have happened regardless of the timing but the timing should have been spread out better compared to how we got it with it happening at the same time that the cluster was being dealt with. This one really isn't Convenient as it was always gonna happen.
Lapis had to deal with her own inner conflict really and learn to trust others first. So basically they didn't wanna rush it. So this wasn't convenient. Wouldn't say that Lapis's personality traits contain her being lazy or that I would describe her personality as being a lazily made personality. So that wasn't convenient either . But her forgiving the crystal gems? Happened off screen and was convenient. Having her be in the barn made sense but overall it lasted too long. I wouldn't call it convenient though.
So overall there were 2 instances here of conveniences and 4 of the other times weren't conveniences.
Prepare yourselves for this novel of a comment:
Here is the big point here.
One could understand WHY Lapis acts the way she does because of her trauma and how toxic behavior can stem from it...
HOWEVER
in terms of the writing of her character and the interactions between characters, this toxic behavior is being enabled. The behavior is neither encouraged nor discouraged by the CG. Realistically, no matter how understandable of a reason you have (like trauma) to release toxic behavior THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
Now keep in mind that this is a show aimed towards children and many of the plots relate to consent, relationships and mental health. In terms of relationships, it is made very clear that Lapis and Jasper's relationship was toxic.
However when it comes to Lapis' behavior that is uncalled for, like: breaking peridot's recorder, brushing off Connie and Greg when they reminded her of the damage she did (trying to drown Connie and breaking Greg's leg)
NO ONE suggests she should apologize for it and Lapis still hasn't apologized/owned up to her actions.
Thus this is teaching kids:
~If you take out your emotions on others, people will understand because you're going through a rough time and an apology isn't neccessary so you can brush it off and act like nothing happened
~If someone you know is traumatized and taking out their emotions on you, endure it, be patient and be there for them, try to encourage them even if you are being hurt in the process because their healing is important even if it sacrifices your well being temporarily
WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE
The problem of Steven constantly sacrificing his own well being to fix the problems of others was only touched on when Amethyst says that it is unfair for everyone to dump their issues on Steven.
The CG are capable of stepping in and talking to Lapis as they have done before with Peridot.
The CG very clearly talk with characters like Peridot about her behavior like when Peridot refuses to acknowledge Garnet because she is a fusion or talks down to Pearl because of the purpose of pearls on homeworld. Homeworld culture was all peridot knew her ENTIRE EXISTANCE before she became a crystal gem and it was understandable why she would act that way considering her lack of adjustment towards the cultural differences between Homeworld and Earth. HOWEVER just because Peridot's behavior was understandable did not stop her behavior from having consequences and it did not stop the CG from stepping in and letting her know that the behavior wasn't acceptable, thus giving Peridot an opportunity to learn and grow as a character.
The same sort of scenario could easily be applied to Lapis' story:
Lapis showing unacceptable behavior and someone stepping in to tell her that behavior is unacceptable.
It would easily giver her an opportunity to grow or at least get Lapis to begin to process the realization of how she is influencing others.
Lapis understandably has been traumatized and abused but she has also lashed out on other characters for not knowing how to handle her emotions. It is a complex situation because healing from abuse is touchy, can be triggering, easily prone to relapses and healing is a long process often of trial, error and persistance.
As someone with severe PTSD I understand these types of emotions that Lapis has and it hit very close to home with me when she was first introduced. However any unacceptable behavior I had as a side effect of my trauma did not stop me from having to own up to my actions and it certainly did not stop others from letting me know what behavior was not acceptable.
The CG seem to understand that lapis is traumatized but none of them step in and tell Lapis when her behavior is unacceptable, and thus the CG acting as bystanders enabling the behavior. Characters such as Peridot even end up walking on eggshells around Lapis because of Lapis' tendency to lash out or show strong dissapproval/detachment.
One could say that Lapis is as powerful as she is emotional, leading to her potential outburst to be scary and full of consequences, which would be a reason the CG would not step in to let matters become potentially worse.
If that is the case, the writers need to make it more clear so that kids CLEARLY understand that Lapis' behavior is still unacceptable and that the CG aren't just allowing this type of behavior to occur without reason.
The relationship between Lapis and the CG is rocky yet during the baseball game they seemed totally fine around each other??
If the point of their relationship being still rocky was made clear and consistant, then it would be understandable why characters who are used to dealing with emotions (like Garnet) would not step forward.
Out of all of the CG Lapis is closest to Steven and more receptive to him, thus Lapis talking with Steven would be a prime opportunity for Lapis to have character growth or to at least set up a moment for Lapis to reflect upon later on when she truly understands the issue and comes around.
Steven may not truly understand what Lapis has been through, but he could show Lapis ways to cope with emotions that do not involve hurting others and teach her how to recognize/acknowledge when she does hurt others (instead of brushing it off like she did with Connie).
Summary:
Trauma does not excuse toxic behavior, BOTTOM LINE.
Trauma is an EXPLAINATION not and EXCUSE.
Lapis needs to develop by learning to own up to her actions and at least acknowledge the consequences to them.
I like you said Explanation not excuse. You're cool. I dont like Lapis but I get what you're saying.
Lapis is my favorite character in the show and it is quite hard to admit this, but all that you said is true. While what she did was understandable, that does not mean it was okay. I still love her, but even the best characters have flaws.
Your right Lapis is totally my favorite character but it is unfair how she is handled
Beautiful speech, well done!
Yeah IM not Reading that
Lapis, even now, reminds me too much of a friend I used to have. A friend who was abusive to me and the people around her, and her only excuse was "I've been treated worse". To speak out against her was to say her trauma wasn't worth anything.
When offered help she needed to better herself, she turned it away because she liked being able to get people's pity and getting them to let her do as she wants. I was dumb and actually let her abuse me, because in my mind I figured what I was feeling because of her was nothing compared to the hurt she had felt. Part of me now, though I hate her to this day, even misses how she treated me some times. When times were good.
Lapis is, without a doubt, an abusive and toxic person. I am not defending Jasper either- she's awful as well- but while Jasper had a goal in mind when fusing, Lapis found entertainment in making Jasper suffer. She even admits it herself. She liked hurting Jasper, even while she was actively trying to get away.
Scream and cry about it all you want, but just because you think Jasper deserved it, or that Lapis' actions are excusable, they are not. Lapis is someone damaged, and for at least a time, took advantage of that label to inflict pain onto others.
People that are this much of a scumbug don't deserve friends at all.
I mean I get the part about her being mean to jasper but she crossed the line in barnmates? How? She was kidnapped BY peridot and then she got some twisted apology about how she just had so much information. Imagine you're on you're home like lapis was then you get kidnapped but later you escape and then the kidnapper gives you some dumb apology about how you just had some much infotmation. I bet you wouldn't forgive them at all. And steven in this situation I would expect him understand considering how he was kidnapped as well but nope they have to make lapis the bad guy for not forgiving her kidnapper.
@@TheCreepyChronicless The problem is not that Lapis didn't forgive Peridot (that is completely fine by me), its the fact that she was so brutal to her in that episode even when Peridot clearly had changed and regretted her actions. Instead of simply not accepting the gift, she crushes it in her hands and physically abuses Peridot when she is just trying to set things right.
I guess but
That’s what character development is for
@@knightdew1651Ok so your kidnapper comes up to you on the streets after you escaped and says I'm sorry I'm a changed person now, what is your first response? I bet its not to forgive them and act like they didn't kidnap you. If not wanting to be friends with your kidnapper and crushing their recorder is brutal then I really don't know what to say.
It's just like with humans. When people get imprisoned for decades (especially if they are innocent), they get mentally unstable and act irrationally. And we're talking about nearly 6000 years here....
This doesn't justify her actions of course, but it helps understanding why she acted like she did. The truth is, sometimes people just act without reason or motive.
Jack Jones yes of course not using this as an excuse for her actions or you can really see the potential in her character development she has a lot to learn but you can't hate her for acting this way when her past was really rough
True! but you gotta alot of Un-Sympathetic People out there who also act like that they're good and Don't try to help or understand the person! when they try to get Evil just for being Controled against their own will! and yet nobody try to understand or help them a bit! instead! they try to Punish Them instead ! ! ! ! !
Jack Jones EXACTLY. Not everyone is this big happy character who does a
180 like peridot. She’s had imo the toughest past. She had nobody. Of course she’s gonna disassociate herself
Jack Jones
the humans life is short.
Gems can live forever.
Jack Jones, SOOO TRUE
Feeling pain doesn’t give you an excuse to hurt others. That’s why I always dislike the argument “[insert problematic character here] acts this way because of what they’ve been through!” Because that’s just excusing a lack of growth. People go through shit, but you can make the effort to get better. Jasper makes that effort. Lapis does the bare minimum.
What she does to Peridot is what really gets me though. Peridot’s comment on the broken recorder later on “it serves no functional purpose. It just makes me... feel bad. :D”
That really says to me that Lapis never showed any remorse for that.
Sugarcoated Slaughterhouse I Love feeling your pain.
Sugarcoated Slaughterhouse Fuck You Fuck You!
Is a your race is being reported bitch.
look, youve been trapped ina mirror and have been staring at a dark void for 5000 years, and then youve been release about 6 months ago, you really cant say that that trauma could go away that quickly wouldnt you be really grumpy if you were in that situation too?
The fact she tried to gaslight peridot to escaping to homeworld with her and then when peridot wanted to stay lapis got ANGRY at her for not wanting to leave her friends and then lapis literally takes the barn and peridots whole life away from her. Genuinely infuriating
Mfs will call anything gaslighting these days 💀
Stop going on Twitter for like 5 minutes
@@ghosttornado True but this one is actually the definition
@@rudeTXTmoabut it’s not tho. How did she try to manipulate Peridot or deny her feelings in order to change her view?
Lapis taking the barn was sad, and was something she clearly regretted doing to Peridot. Many trauma survivors will carve out a ‘safe space’ where they can exist happily. This includes carefully choosing friends and support, building a lifestyle which gives a person the most comfort possible (eg filling it with things that bring them comfort, or minimising interaction with things that would make them uncomfortable), even settling in a specific location to avoid unnecessary stress. This gives the traumatised person a personal bubble that isn’t just their own person, but their life. The downside is that sometimes, external factors will infringe on this bubble anyway, OR and internal source of comfort will suddenly become a source of turmoil by acting in a way that is unexpected and suddenly doesn’t bring you comfort. Suddenly, the entire bubble must be rearranged/reevaluated to either compensate for the loss of a significant support or that support must be removed from the bubble to ensure the safety of the traumatised person.
The barn, Peridot, and Pumpkin are all Lapis’ bubble. When Peridot - who, up until this point, has indeed been modifying her behaviour to try not to upset lapis, which is YES, sad and bad that it wasn’t acknowledged before Lapis fled - suddenly became a threat to Lapis’ bubble, Lapis abandoned her, and took what was left of her bubble with her. However, the barn did not have the same effect without Peridot and the surroundings of Earth. Lapis still had her things and her home, but they weren’t what she really needed, which was Peridot’s support. She regrets her decision so much and is so lonely that she spies on the gems on earth, trying and failing to convince herself that it would be okay to come back because she’s so afraid it will all be destroyed anyway.
I find the moment of Lapis’ return where she smashes the barn onto the beach quite interesting. Steven suggested placing the barn on the beach so they could be neighbours and hang out more. Lapis, instead, smashes the barn onto the beach, symbolically destroying her bubble, whilst also reconnecting with her true needs - Peridot, Steven and the Crystal Gems and Earth.
Lapis is not a perfect character, but I find her arc very interesting, particularly how it intersects and diverges from Peridot’s. Peridot is depressed by Lapis’ flight, but is able to recover with the support of her loved ones (sans Lapis).
@@ghosttornadosaid ghost tornado with the lgbt pfp LMAKO
@@SW-rd6bg ooh good analysis
I never liked Lapis to begin with, I've always gotten that "broken" edgelord vibe from her. I mean, I do love me some emotionally destroyed, *developed* characters (Shiro from Voltron as an example.) But the way they portrayed Lapis after the whole redemption episodes didn't give her much development other then the special edgy snowflake who went through so much trauma. That AND only acknowledging her existence during filler episodes.
That moment you realize bismuth broke lapis lazuli's gem and at the end they end up as friends 😳
and no chat about it... sad
it could be other bismuth tho
@@Ocean_Lord_derpfish i doubt that lol since most built stuff for the elite homeworld Gems . But who knows maybe
Yeah. It's a little weird, and yet she tries to kill
STEVEN!
She’s the one who POOFED lapis, she was stepped on and cracked by a different and unknown gem
*Lapis* *and* *jasper* *fuse*
*Me* : *this* *fusion* *is* *a* *great* *example* *of* *how* *a* *one* *night* *stand* *can* *turn* *into* *an* *abusive* *relationship* .
But fusion is not sex
@@-beautylady-7483 it can be that too, not always
omg your right
The Black Crayon he dosent mean its sex, he means its as if they use each other. if they use each other and one likes it, they want it more. not sex, but more of feeling power
The Black Crayon true, they could have used a different term..
A lot of people fail to realize that Lapis is the abuser. She even confirmed this. I like to also point out that she destroyed Greg's rental boat and never apologized for it. Then again, when did anyone apologize in this show? The problem with Lapis is the one of unfortunate effects of having no writers on the show.
Parslet wasn’t jasper abusing her first? In the episode when lapis lazuli was given a choice to fuse with jasper, she tried to fly away but jasper pulled her back. And when lapis chained jasper with the ocean chains she says “I’m done being everyone’s prisoner”. Then she became the abuser. So I’m confused to whether which abuser is which
She broke the boat to save Steven from being shattered by jasper
@@diamond980 are you aware that you can't force fusion? are you aware that lapis had a fucking ocean just beside her and could've probably defeated jasper alone? are you you aware that jasper was following her diamond's orders? I don't know about you, but I think that's not really "abuse". sure, jasper was horrible to her first, but not because she wanted to cause pain, it was just convenient
the only forced fusions in this show were the cluster such. let's all drop this mentality that broken fragile lapis was forced to fuse by the big bad jasper. she was given a choice and although she "didn't start it" it was lapis who chose to abuse first. but idk, that's just my opinion
@@Depressed_Dandelion Alright dude calm down it ain;t that deep.
@@kxyoto8541 no, sorry. it is this deep and you're being ridiculous if you seriously think it isn't
Lapis looks so emo and edgy in the thumbnail
Derpy Sniper that's because she is. End of discussion
She is.
ok but do people really think that lapis didnt fuse with jasper out of jealosy? she literally says "i'm done being everyone elses prisoner now you're my prisoner". she didnt fuse and capture jasper to help the gems, to help steven, she did it for herself. sorry i've just kinda thought everyone else had already figured that out
It confuses me honestly, doesn’t she later on that her doesn’t want that feeling again? She herself got even more confused with jasper asking her for that relationship again-Lapis COULDVE been such a great character but no😩
I think they just portrayed Lapis horribly. She had so much potential and I thought she was going to be my favorite from the start.
No, she's literally just an objectively Bad person for the things she's done and having near-to-none/no personality change whatsoever throughout the entire whole show! We've had all these years! All this time!! And Lapis still hasn't and cannot own up to her Actions!
@@jasperquartz4612 No, she's literally just an objectively traumatized person. Not saying her PTSD excuses her actions, yet it makes her acts understandable. Lapis was a broken gem (in both ways) and due to everything she went through, she was acting paranoid. Again, her PTSD showing. That's why she was a grey character, not black nor white. If anything, you can say Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl were also bad. Pearl trapped Lapis in a mirror and left her there for centuries. They all knew she was in the mirror, yet they kept her they willingly. Now that's a villainous action. You can also say Pink Diamond was villainous at some points too. Basically, just because a character possesses villainous actions, doesn't necessarily mean they're a villain or a bad person.
"In this world, you are no longer permitted to be happy."
-some homeless guy near my house
Lapis' character is posed as one who has gone through an abusive relationship. They were toxic for each other and, when Jasper came back to be together again (after Malachite's disslove and was saying Lapis was wrong and the monster and that Jasper had changed) Lapis was able to stand up for herself. I think this is a shining moment for Lapis and I wish other could see that as well.
Blaming is her prime problem. She blames everyone else for everything that happened to her, and never says sorry for her own actions. Lapis breaking Peridots recorder was the most horrible thing she did after Malachite. Like, seriously. She should be held accountable for everything she did.
Pearl The Salty peridot and jasper is the reason she is there.
Actually, Lapis *chose* to bind herself to Jasper because she wanted revenge for imprisoning her. They both played an equal part in the Malachite situation. Lapis took all of her anger and frustrations out on Japser and Jasper was the one who proposed the idea. They're both to blame.
As for Peridot, she was doing her job. What did Lapis think was gonna happen when she went back to Homeworld? She was gone for several thousand years, of course she would be suspected of being a Crystal Gem
Well even if she didn't say sorry you should forgive her for what she did and not keep ranting about it
Lapis mopes around sulking about her traumas even though she chose to join Jasper she's instantly redeemed no montage of them slowly forgiving her or anything they just do forgive her
Pearl The Salty I so agree with you
This is a really good analysis of her character, but is anyone gonna talk about the SPLIT SECOND OF THE SWORD ART ONLINE PHOTO AT 10:55
yea what is that about?
i did lol it was four frames and i got kind of curious and looked at the comments like "wowowowowow only like 2 people acknowledged this enough to talk about it, me being one of them"
Otaku: Where is a Lapis song? Huh?
Rebecca Sugar: *it's distant shore time*
Yes.
Distant shore: am I a joke to you
Lapis is cancer she need to die
@Norahcake 21 kill lapis 😡
I feel like Lapis was created just to appeal to all the emo angsty preteens. Like the hair, the attitude. There's nothing really wrong with that but it's not done very well. Imo.
I also don't understand why Peridot wants to be friends with her. She seems too reasonable and smart to be putting up with her.
AndreaTarja Flute Peridot has very little experience when it come to dealing with others emotions and feelings, which is why she doesn’t have any boundaries to protect her own. This makes Peridot a perfect target for an emotional manipulator like Lapis.
@@Mehk an excellent point
Lapis don’t deserve her
Peridot tortured lapis for info and held her prisoner 😐 like what did u want lapis to do
@@Mehk u make it sound like peridot never did anything wrong
Lapis is the embodiment of "I was hurt, so its okay for me to hurt others" mentality and I'm so happy someone else see's that. Just because she was a victim of awful things doesn't give her the right to become the abuser herself.
Abi Normal THIS! So much of this! I couldn't agree more, & I personally think because of this , Lapis is just a wasted character with LOADS of potential development but the writers don't do anything with her.
True I like Lapis but she’s a jerk sometimes
Yes but some people don't know that they are abusing others after being abused. Some don't know how to release the rest of their anger.
It doesn’t make it excusable but she lived thousands of years in a mirror by herself . What else can you expect out of someone who never even had the chance to talk about her pain ? It’s terrible the actions she has but to improve herself it could take a long time
Yeah, she acts like a jerk sometimes... I never liked her too much. I don't dislike her, I just don't like her.
Slice: The pity party is over
Melanie Martinez: TRIGGERED
Can I just hug you? 😂😂😂
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I've also hated Lapis. To me, she felt like an edgy self-insert character.
Brandon Gray Omg😂😂😂😂😂
Spooky Sylph I'm not a fan of her, but at least she does have a little more depth than just an edgy oc
Spooky Sylph (=__________=)
Spooky Sylph FINALLY someone said it! Thank you!
To be honest I hated and still hate peridot.
Lapis is not made to be lovable. she is the representation of a toxic relashionship. she is beautiful and seem appealing (like a lot of narcissic manipulator) but when you look closely she is nocive for all the character she has been in contact with.... and I think that creating someone like that on the side of the good guys was a great idea because it shows that bully and abuser can take many forms and hide among the good people.
you say that the flaw in lapis come from bad writing and are just mistake. but the way I see it... Lapis have been writing like this on purpose. (I am probably gonna use ep that were not released yet when your video came around. but I descovered the show two weeks ago and I don't know what was out or not on march 2017. )
Lapis first ep is great as you said it. and she is shown full of a rage that steven gonna shut down a bit by giving her back her wings. Lapis story told us that she was on vacation on earth: sound quite fancy and we can assume that she was an aristocratic gem. she goes back to HW wanting back her life.
But she has not evolve at all. Lapis was traped. of course in her head HW would be exactly like she left it she has not change mentaly, she rely on memory that have probably been idealized by the time in the mirror...
Then she come back to earth with Peri and Jasper. we understand that she has been interrogate (confirmed later in the show when she get mad at peridot for that very reason) after the rage we see someone with PTSD. afraid of her abuser. that's why she ask steven to let her in the cell. she is ready to loose her freedom again to avoid facing the wrath of HW gems.
we are discovering a new facet of lapis. she is afraid. being trap did not scared her at all. only make her mad. but the way she has been treated on HW has created a new lapis. one ready to lie on the floor and just let things happen.... the ship crash she survived and jasper ask her to fuse....
Like you said : she choose to trap jasper and torture her. and yet the show always present her like a victim... and that's what I find brilliant :we see her throught *steven eyes*. and at that time steven can still be childish. he likes lapis and he choose to believe in her good side. and he thinks that she sacrifices herself...he shows her to us like he see her.
Jasper escape and we meet her again on the boat... and she said "I tought I was a brute but you are a monster" and lapis did not deny. she admit loving torturing jasper knowing it's wrong but missing the feel. she did not send jasp away because she was scared but tempted and was trying to not fall for that sadistic part of her created by her rage and abuse.
About the peridot and lapis episode : the broken recorder was obvious. because lapis has became an abuser. And when she destroy the recorder : it's bullying. she do that for the same reason she lied to jasper about the fusion stuff. she want to make the people around as miserable as she feels. just to try to feel better. that theorie is enforced when navy rubby fall and pretend to fit on earth, Lapis get mad: she can't accept that someone not gonna struggle like she did.
Lapis writing has created a character with victim complex. anger issu that she choose to deal by becoming an abuser and pstd syndrom. she is an awful beeing. but she is still on the side of the "nice guys" not because she is nice but because it is easier for her.
if you see it that way lapis writting is great because it follows what she is supposed to be : a bully.
Even her escape on the moon prove it. she is ready to leave without anything but when peridot choose to stay so she strips peridot from everything by taking the barns.
she wasnt on vacation she was doing a report to blue D
I often think she became worse after fusing with Jasper. Adding to her already victim complex then being fused with a sadist. To which Jasper admits she was, and Lapis shows that she is a monster and realizes she does have problems with her. Were Gems are more like computers at most, she isn't sure how to approach this knowledge, but does know it's not right.
Despite all this, Steven still tries for her as does Peridot. And Lapis does get some comfort from this side of things.
She's by no means a saint, but wanting every character to be your ideal of a 'good person' isn't how the world works.
and that's why it's my favorite gem.
And that’s why lapis lazuli is my least favorite gem. 🚱😤😠😡🤬🤯😳🥵🤢🤮😈👿👹👺🤡💩👻💀☠️👽👾👎🖕🦟⚡️☄️💥🔥🔧🔨⚒🛠⛏🔩⚙️🔫💣🧨🔪🗡⚔️🚬💊💉🧬🦠🧪💔☢️☣️❌🛑⛔️📛🚫⚠️.
That's a cool theory!
For Malachite, it's portrayed that she was created by "big bad Jasper" and trapped Lapis, but in reality, Lapis agreed in the ordeal and *KEPT IT THAT WAY*
That is the equivalent of agreeing to get into a toxic relationship for the *SOLE PURPOSE* to trap and torture the other person.
Look at the clip of Malachite trying to unfuse, and claw away from the water when she was being dragged by chains. THAT WAS JASPER. Does that look like the action of the evil mastermind? Lapis could've just let her go, free away and honestly let the Crystal gems defeat her.
I have so much rage about this. Jasper's no saint, but Lapis honestly seems worse. Jasper honestly just has homeworld values and was doing her job.
littleblueclovers Doing her job?! Bull crap! She was trying to get revenge and settle the score. And when Jasper took control of Malachite she tried to destroy anything and everyone. Also, if Jasper hated it so much, why was she begging to go back to that?
Night Rise Jasper's "job" is to fight and destroy. She's like a military weapon. When she mocks and looks down upon amethyst, or fusions, that's just homeworld mentality. Even Peridot thought like that at some point.
As Malachite she'd want to destroy everyone, because that's what she's supposed to do. Crystal gems are "traitors" and "rebels" in the war, and this is just a continuation of it. In her eyes, they're just a group of traitors who left homeworld, caused a war and shattered pink diamond.
Jasper didn't like fusing, but she also knows that there's no way she's going to be able to do anything on earth alone and stranded like this. So she goes back to Lapis who she fused with before, and the least "pro-crystal gem".
littleblueclovers littleblueclovers Jasper is pro Homeworld I get that. But she has a choice. She CHOISE to go back to earth. She said she only came back because she wanted to see it turn to dust. It wasn’t an order. Peridot requested her help, she could’ve said no. But she went anyway to cause harm. And she didn’t like fusing at first, but then she went to Lapis for that power not only to finish that job BUT BECAUSE SHE LIKED IT! Jasper is power hungry. She does whatever it takes to gain more of it. Not to get done with tasks, not to fight for her Homeworld, but to get revenge and cause destruction.
littleblueclovers It’s not JUST her job, it’s what she likes to do
Ok cool but if there was a crazy bitch trying to kill my friends I'd trap that bitch too, whats your point? Is she supposed to gently put Jasper in a corner and say "No."
Brace yourselves
the Lapis fans are coming
Equip yourselves, the end is near. LOL
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Mr Peppers147 wtf what ever i call water bitch💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦
Everything wrong with Lapis' development.
Everything after Barn Mates.
Dont you mean La-PISSED fans? bdumtsssss :D
gracethegreat Gaming Totally agree xD xdxd
Crewniverse: in the show there is no real '' villain'', just misunderstandings.
SU fandom: X character is clearly a villain, problematic and disgusting. Y character is a poor cinnamon roll that needs to be protected...
@Tam873 I know right they say there is no black and white then they make characters clearly the villan of the story when people who they forgave have done worse
Tam873 They haven’t really technically forgiven the Diamonds, the Diamonds just agreed to help them undo corruption and some other stuff happened.... I think?
you're totally right, this show has no villains at all, the cartoon shows that people can ALWAYS change, and there's no totally good or bad people, only bad choices, its sad how a cartoon about love has a fandom with so much hate, I like all characters, the only one I dont like is Jasper, but I dont hate her too, but I'm still waiting her to change for the better (because Jasper in the ship didn't really change at all, that's a common excuse abusers uses to the victim accept them back lol)
Damn, you just summed up pretty much every Lapis v.s. Jasper debate ever. Its either Jasper is perfect or Lapis is perfect. People really do need to realize that neither of the characters are perfect, and thats what makes them good.
it kills me inside alot of people think Lapis is a good person. Shes not. I had a boyfriend like Lapis who broke me mentally 😅
Lapis lazuli is Not A Good Person At All. I seriously hate every one who is related to lapis, the biggest fans of her, love her, help her and wanting to protect her. Worst of all I think her distant shore song sucks cum and is absolutely sick, disgusting and irritating to her in season 5 episode 17 can’t go back part 1.
@@eugeneyang5678 chance to change
@@goshe-nite4843 , Yes and Excuse me I actually forgive lapis now. I had gave grace to her. I get and understand her whole life and characteristics now. And yet everyone all around the whole planet earth deserves a second or a third chance to change their own minds, personally, thoughts and his or her own personal opinions.
Jasper is obviously a villain, but at least her motivation isn't fueled by self-fulfilling vengeance. Jasper enjoyed the narrow-minded Homeworld ideal of her gemstone, and her actions makes sense when you compare them to what she thinks she needs to do as a Jasper. Jasper loves power, fighting and, is extremely loyal to Pink Diamond. The CG are a threat to the ways of Homeworld, and that's why she perceives them as an enemy.
Lapis is only serving herself. Broken, sure, but Like S.O.O. said I'm tired of her using that as an excuse, to continue being stuck in her emotional turmoil. She's in a position now where she can begin her healing process, where the CG accept her and give her a home. She has Peridot, who is open and willing to help her, and yet she's still refusing to grow.
I understand the depressive, hopeless feelings that cloud the ability to think about a brighter future. I know how difficult it is to take the hand of someone who claims to be there to help, but I cannot accept that Lapis is a good character. I dont know when the Crewniverse is going to give Lapis that push or reason to start being a better person (or at least give her characteristics that balance out her negatives like Peridot) , but I hope it comes along because they could do so much with her.
James K. A shorter way is that you could had said Jasper is a loyal soldier
After being hurt for years, it is hard to reach out. Out of fear of being hurt again. I was abused, and I haven't been for... 3-4 years now?- but it took me SO long to be able to heal. The people around can't fight your own, inner battle. Only you can win it. It's harder to let others help if you've spent so much time fighting a one man battle anyway.
That is kinda true but honestly I'm terrified and like boh of them. (I think I like Jasper cause she is a meme)
James K. Your wish has been granted
thank fucking god. SOMEONE had to say it. she's like a character they dont know what to do with at all!!! make up your damn minds crewniverse
butlerkitties no I think she was designed to act like the victim while doing things for herself. that's why they don't put the spotlight on her that much, and she isn't that apologetic. it'll come in the story
butlerkitties THANK YOU!!!!!
Frisk Dreemurr I feel like this will play out. that she needs to stop blaming the world. Steven should kick her butt about it.
butlerkitties Finally!
Rebeca said that she had the perfect idea for intruding Lapis, but did she ever consider what she was going to do with her as a character.
Honestly, I tried with Lapis. I really did, and I really wanted her to find happiness, but Raising the Barn pushed things way too far.
All throughout the episode, Lapis is annoyed at Peridot for wanting to bring the barn and all her possessions with her. After Peridot says she doesn't want to go, however, Lapis takes the barn when she leaves. After Peridot had specifically stated that she wanted to fight for the life they had built rather than ripping it out of the ground, it seems nothing but vindictive when Lapis rips it all out of the ground anyway.
Not only that, but throughout the entire episode one gets the impression that Peridot is constantly bending over backwards (both figuratively and literally) to keep Lapis happy, and that this isn't just a once-in-a-while sort of thing. Peridot has been suppressing her own wants and needs all this time, just to keep Lapis from getting upset.
I loved this character, but no one deserves to live in an environment where they have to constantly walk on eggshells, or bend over backwards to appease someone. Peridot deserve better, and she needs to spend some time with friends who actually care about her well-being.
Guess what? Depression exists? PTSD exists. People are fucking like that.
stop trying too defend lapis and her bitchy attitude,that's no excuse for the shit that she's doing.
yes,it is your fault because you're in control of you own actions,you have no one too blame but your self for your life being shit.just cause someones home life was shit growing up does not give them an excuse to be a piece of shit.
You are only showing off how dumb you are too everyone,i am not apart of the steven universe fandom,you are just making assumptions about me. practically the entire fandom would disagree with most of my view points on the show. Also,accusing me of being "ablist" just show how immature you are. If taking responsibility for your actions is considered "ablist" then that just demonstrates that you have the mentality and thought process of a child. If i had a friend who had a mental illness I would do the best that I can to help them,I would not coddle them,i wouldn't treat them like a child or a toddler,i would treat them as an adult. If you are not willing to be an adult and take responsibility for your choices and actions,then no one can help you,I would not help someone if they are unwilling too actually grow as a person. You are the one with the toxic mind set,your way of thinking would help no one.
Lol,calling me an ablist because i say people should act like adults. Fuck off.Also, I have taken care of people with mental illness before jackass.
I’m indifferent about her honestly. She’s had some great moments, but she doesn’t do enough for the show. I still see potential in her, and she can redeem herself any time now.
in reality lapis is a depressive character
I'm sorry for dissapoint you.
Still got season 6 left.
But she hasn't and she won't redeem herself. Because she thinks she doesn't have to.
She hates herself but she thinks she's perfect.
Geez, even LARS of all people is a better character now. If Jasper's character ever gets developed, then Lapis would then _really_ stick out like a sore thumb. It would become very, _very_ easy to see that she's just the worst gem on the show. And honestly it's a shame too. She used to be my fav character as well. 😢
Lars is my second fave human in SU because UBE
I use to hate Lars but I realized me and Lars are the same and his arc is what made me notice that, and I appreciate him more than Lapis and I use to only hate their characters.
SHINOBI Ok i have to say i think lapis is better then every other character
Can't lie if you watch the rebuttal to this video it will SHUT DOWN Slice of Otaku's points
I love Lars!
I loved her at first but with her statement to Connie about almost drowning a lot of people, and behavior in recent episodes I can't stand her
Ikr, that was a low blow. She could have at least said sorry.
I found the failure of the fans to understand Lapis was abusive to be one of the biggest failings of the fan base. And I can certainly agree with your duel proposition that Lapis is neither a 'good person' via their actions or remorse nor a 'good character' in the development that has happened so far.
I relate to her honestly when you get so scarred and hurt for so long you start to hurt other people out of anger and fear and hatred at those who hurt you and yourself.i too lash out and am petty and salty and hurtful. there is no justifying it but its pretty realistic. I still believe lapis can change. I like lapis.
Kenneth Ferland same, i hate myself for accidentally hurting people. I really hope both her and Jasper get redeemed.
Yeah, she was abusive but Jasper kinda held her in a cage before that but two wrongs don't make a right.
Bina Hillards Because Lapis lied about Steven and put Jasper's mission in jeopardy. Jasper didn't hurt her though. Jasper was just doing her job and if Lapis didn't lie she probably wouldn't have been confined. It would be unwise to let Lapis roam around where she could easily find Steven and help them escape as Jasper knew that Lapis couldn't be trusted.
Not to mention after ruby stoled the ship she just laugh hahaha yeah your right oh by the way we're screwed now cause she gonna go tell homeworld but hey atleast you were right I get it you find it hard that she would want to live here but the thing is some poeple are different from others living in a new place can be hard but for others it can be easy lapis I think was being a baby
tbh lapis genuinely reminds me of a toxic friend ive had
I think they tried to fix her character development in the new crystal gems but it didn't work
Leon Chen and that's where most complaints of lapis came from I think
Well they most certainly failed by not making her feel remorse for almost killing Connie :/
You make a really good point in this video. I felt SO bad for Peridot when Lapis smashed her recorder, poor thing :(
Sassy Towel it played out like 'let me give you a gift from the bottom of my heart yet again, to make you feel better and forgive me while understanding I could help you with your struggle.'
Lapis proceeds to crush the gift and call it garbage.
It did, so cruel. I love Peridot so much and she wasn't even a tiny bit mad at Lapis afterwards. I wish Lapis did something to make it up to her.
I feel like i'm the only person who hates Lapis. In the earlier days i really liked her and found her interesting, but now she just feels like a dark and edgy teenager. She didn't even feel remorse for almost drowning Connie, we should to root for her, and yet she feels like a plain jerk. I don't know, she just rubs me the wrong way, somehow i even like Jasper more than her.
Update: I still don't like her at all, I understand her character but it's just tiring.
Good point, though i don't feel hate for lapis, she's just one of the characters I can't care about
Sreeja Pandiri Same here.
your not alone......
In my opinion she is that way because it's her past I honestly think anyone would be sad or dark since she was so hurt in her past. She was literally involved in war and she didn't even want to be in a war.
Melina Perez people loooooove that blue "uwu angel" and will die claiming she has done nothing wrong.
Lapis has done everything wrong.
I honestly have mixed feelings for her, while yeah she has amazing moments but she's problematic as hell and honestly is bipolar as hell.
Then blames people for everything or tries to find something bad out of every situation. It's honestly annoying.
What's this? Someone who wants Jasper to be redeemed and doesn't like Lapis for the same reasons I do?
Imma cry.
Welcome to the Jasper Squad! We have cookies... and sad fanfics ,Seriously. If you like Jasper then you should read "My Diamond"
Jammer 875751 By the title alone, it sounds good and angsty but, honestly, she's been through enough.
Yeah. I cant even imagine how it must felt - having your Diamond be shattered and then life pretty much without any purpose , i think i would do the same thing as Jasper did if i was at her place - I would propably snap like she did and i think i would maybe even go more instane than she did.
Read that fanfic is you want to see Jasper be happy... and then have your heart broken and fixed again and sgain
JackieGoOutside I'm so on Jasper's side.
@Jammer 875751 Jasper's diamond is yellow diamond. How do you not know this?!
The episode that made me despise Lapis was room for ruby, where she hates navy because she can adapt to Earth and Lapis can't. And then to top it off, she cheers that they were betrayed because she said she was right. When in reality, she was just whining because someone was willing to not hate everything she saw.
Let's not forget that she could have gone after Navy with her wings, but didn't even try
She was too busy laughing about how no one can be better than her
Essentially, it's Lapis's fault that the Crystal Gems can't rescue Steven (and Lars too, I guess) from the Diamonds.
When you think about it like that, she really is the worst character in the show, other than possibly Ronaldo
this is why i hate lapidot, its so unhealthy if you actually take lapis's real personality into account.
She’s fucking crazy, and a ticking time bomb.
Yeah, unless they fix lapis up soon, I don’t want lapidot.
N G-H yes but if you really think about it peridot helps lapis a lot especially with her character development she's a perfectly imperfect gem and I can see her potential. I think it's because I think she left earth so that she can collect her thoughts and become a better person altogether I think only then lapidot can be at its best point
Maybe if she were to be more consistent early on.
yup ! ! ! ! !
Gotta love Lapis the edge lord,
but someone needs to give her a reality check.
Someone like Jasper.
Maybe in the future, someday...
*VIBE CHECK*!
Haha lol not happening cuz the show is over
Rip
I definitely agree with the inconsistency and lack of character development that you mentioned in this video. Nice vid, Papa Slice!
10:55 That quick shot of SAO tho. Fucking roasted
Personally I think she would have been better as a character had she taken the downward spiral to antagonist. Her personality and actions up to this point would have suited that specific type of character development to a "t".
Besides, I think this show needs a character like that.
Well I wouldnt be surpised if she later become one...
Which is why I like her and can see this happening... in her own way, she already is.
CartoonJunky but how else would she move to the barn with peridot, and be the butt of all the jokes, never growing as a character, instead being forced into some weird romance situation with someone she used to despise.
CartoonJunky *COUGH* *COUGH* Aquamarine
Rhys Speight I swear if she becomes romantic with peridot im going to be so mad. I hope they do as you say and make her backstab the crystal gems so she finally can get her real redemtion.
Lapis's depression is more than blue diamond's ability
Imagine how sad she is
I think you're giving Jasper too much credit...regardless of how remorseful she might've seemed or the fact that she dropped to her knees, she and Lapis displayed all the hallmarks of an abusive/toxic relationship. Lapis finally decided to take the hardest step in such a relationship; walking away. Prior to this she knew she didn't live up to Steven's (who she respects the most) standards and she'd never forgive herself until she completely cut ties with her guilty pleasure of taking out all of her anger on Jasper. As for Jasper....All anyone has to do is watch Earthlings again to see if she's truly changed like she claimed....she literally forced herself onto another gem to fuse, clearly demonstrating that she's just as susceptible to fall back into old patterns. For Lapis to have accepted her in Same Old World would've just further created a vicious cycle for the both of them.
The reason Jasper is still fusion hungry is because she expected Lapis to help her out of it. Instead she just shot her through the boat, and that was it. Jasper seems like an empty person, filled with self loathing due to her being from the same planet that killed her leader, and its very likely she received much harassment from Homeworld gems because of that fact. The rubies may have respected her, but keep in mind rubies are low-class gems that hardly share the same opinions as other higher-ranked ones. Through the StevenBomb Jasper has been beaten by many fusions, which eventually warped her into a mindset that only fusing will she be victorious, and fill that void that she carried.
Jensen Peacock You're still making excuses for her and expecting too much on Lapis' behalf. Why would Lapis need to help Jasper out of anything? We're talking about the same gem who took part in making Lapis a prisoner *once again* after spending thousands of years trapped in a mirror. Her numbness to whatever psychological issues Jasper has are justified; she doesn't owe her anything.
macoricio21 Jasper didn't in prison Lapis. Jasper was doing her job escorting Peridot back to earth. Jasper didn't really do anything to her that caused her to be captured.
Saying she was just following orders is an excuse. Jasper and Peridot still did that shit to Lapis. This analysis of Lapis is super lacking and misreading the major themes behind Lapis' characters and commentary on abusive relationships. It's actually quite victim blaming and dangerous
Erica S now I'm not saying it as an excuse, Jasper is still an asshole but it's not like she specifically targeted Lapis. she was supposed to be an escort, Peridot was the one who interrogated her.
After seeing Holly Blue Agate and her behavior towards her subordinates (Earth gems) and theorizing Lapis was a member of Blue Diamond's court, I think snobbish and dickish behavior is a part of Blue Diamond's court members... Sapphire is an exception since she actually gave up her title as an aristocrat and a Homeworld gem for Ruby's safety. I think Lapis Lazulis, being terraforming gems, are considered very important (probably as or even more important than Sapphires) and are spoiled rotten because of it. The Lapis we know seems to be a by-product of this, and is actually supposed to act this way. I think she isn't even supposed to be the damsel in distress the fans see her as, but rather her own character (an edgemaster). I also think that Lapis acts this way because while she has accepted the fact that she has to stay on Earth, she still has a Homeworld-esque POV. She treats Jasper and Peridot like garbage because both of them are in lower castes than she is. Would an arrogant aristocrat treat an engineer or a soldier equally? Or would she look down at them? The answer is obvious, since Lapis is an arrogant aristocrat, Peridot is an engineer and Jasper is a soldier. And I believe caste plays a huge role in redemption. If you look at the Crystal Gems, except for Sapphire, all of them are lower-caste or middle-caste gems: Rose and Amethyst are Quartz soldiers, Bismuth is an architect, Ruby is a bodyguard/frontman and Pearl is a servant. Since they're in lower castes, they're more down-to-earth and empathetic than the others, seeing the beauty in "simpler" things (in Homeworld's eyes) such as the Earth. Sapphire also has this ability because she can see many possibilities, so she chooses the nicest one. But Lapis isn't insightful, she doesn't care about anyone but herself. Why would she do anyways? They're all beneath her. And usually, narcissistic people don't accept their flaws and mistakes, Lapis seems to be like that too.
So, that's my theory on Lapis and her behavior, what do you guys think?
This makes a lot of sense, I never even considered that! Great theory. I think she will change over time though, we've seen her develop a bit. We know she is still pretty depressed but is gradually letting go of that and becoming happier with Peri.
That actually makes a lot of sense. :D
That's an interesting theory, and actually would make a lot of sense. I still like Lapis and her introduction was amazing, but I agree with the video that lots of her development needed to be fleshed out more. With Peridot and the crystal gems she kind of just was ok with them all of a sudden and I guess she could have been called out for some of her actions even if she did express remorse for pretty much everything she did in alone at sea. But the video seemed to just ignore the fact that Jasper was a pretty formidable gem who had nothing on her mind at the time but murdering the crystal gems, she wasn't exactly misunderstood and it's harder to give someone a chance when they're fully capable of killing you and want to.
I totally agree StreamTail.
I have nothing against people who suffer from mental illnesses (having suffered social anxiety for my whole life and growing up with a mother who not only has depression, but also frequent anxiety attacks) and I didn't say I hate Lapis as a character. She's actually one of my favorites and I'm eager for her to grow more as a character. Yes, I feel bad for her at times too: She has to adapt into a new culture and can't do it well because she also wants to hang on to her long-lost past. And I know Jasper had bad-intentions and I know she's a brute, but just because someone has a dark past or suffers from long-term depression doesn't mean they have to complete right to take their frustration out on someone else. And I was just theorizing about how castes may have an effect the flexibility of their respective gems. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
I hope your days will at least be better than "I can't bear this anymore!" state, I know how terrible it can be. And I also hope that I've made myself clear without being rude, harsh or offensive.
- Xenon
Actually, I like Lapis but not the actual canon character. A lot of the time, the fans can take a half baked idea of a character or story arc and run away with it, making the fanon even better than the canon (i.g Tad Strange). That's why I love reading fanfiction and comics and art and animations that do so much more with Lapis and make her the character we all wish she was.
I agree.
To an extent I agree with you. Though I find you do it to a point you antagonize her quite a bit. She's been trapped for thousands of years with a conscious mind with some knowledge of what happened over years yet couldn't do anything else. She was used like a recorder for most of the time in the mirror and then was left inside Pearl after the war was over being in practically complete isolation. Steven was the person in years she interacted with and have a similar reciprocation of enjoyment and he showed kindness and joy after all those years. Who knows, it may be some of the most she had since she existed. He also other than Garnet actually noticed her and even was the one who freed her even though a Gem like Garnet and Rose Quartz knows her existence. I'm not too surprise of her personality as well you did mention she may have a purpose of terraforming the world and if that's true many human homes, environment, and even civilizations, as well as many lives would be lost. She probably did know about the blueprints the Crystal Gems found on the moon. That is likely why she has little to no remorse to even apologize is because she did what she was made for and only saw the job no one else's perspectives. The Diamonds have little sympathy for anyone except for those they are genuinely close to, most gems worship the diamonds and that may be some of the few or even forms of affection many gems of Homeworld have. Lapiz would likely for now, only really have any remorse, kindness, or sympathy to those she forms a close bond to. She also the type to easily want vengeance since she barely have a code or sympathy or moral due to her job and lack of intimate or close interaction and bonds. When angry people are likely to have their emotions take over rather than thinking over her actions before she does any form of procedure. She also did debated over the time she remeet with Jasper but it seem justifiable at that moment that she eject Jasper because she did declare from just Steven's interventions that she'll SHATTER him. People to an extent are bias and Lapiz later ventre more to be less bias. Lapiz need more interactions with more individuals and more often to build more and into her personality and maybe faster, since each individual have their own perspectives and advice they can share or bring to her mind, as well as gain more features of compassion and sympathy. An example of those who improved more through their interactions with multiple people other than Peridot who was with a larger group more often than Lapiz is Flame Princess from Adventure Time who really grew up once she was released and had the responsibility of caring for her kingdom forming herself. People have their own rated of forming and adapting along with interacting and I'm so slow and terrible at it. Another example of how interaction with people can affect a person and develop as a person is when Rose Quartz who introduce them to try being their own person and going forward towards their desires
This is a relatively old video, but I'm glad I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I'm personally a Lapis fan, but I knew there are lots of people who dislike or even hate her and I wanted to understand their perspective. This video was super interesting and I actually completely agree with it!
Thought Lapis still is one of my favorites, she can be rather problematic.
I've always seen her as a sociopath, like she literally fits all the descriptions. Also fitting is the way that she is popular in a way, others, such as jasper, peridot, and Steven, try their best to appease her (as sociopaths often are). I mean the definitional symptoms are "antisocial, caring neither for societal rules, norms, and laws, nor for other people" and "unable or unwilling to learn from negative consequences". Sociopaths also often play the victim card. Literally "failure to follow any life plan" is also a part of this, as would explain the inconsistency of her character.
This would be an incredibly effective portrayal of sociopathy, as this is how it is presented naturally in relationships, regardless of if those around them can identify them as being sociopaths. Sociopaths are seldom recognized as such by those around them.
This in no way means she is inhuman, as sociopaths are people and do have relationships, marriages, and meld well into daily life, but it would be an incredible facet of this character
Fawn Park actually the difference between psicophat and sociopath is that psicos are born while socios are the product of a huge trauma related to isolation like for example
Been thousands of years traped in a mirror. Which is a reason why solitary confinement is starting to be seeing as torture in some countries xd so your theory is actually pretty plausible
Fawn Park Likely, she's a non-violent sociopath. They're the most common of all sociopaths, so her actually being so angry and violent would definitely be more easily seen as her finally snapping.
Fawn Park ummm not anymore
you are right sir.
lapis displays lots of psycho/sociopathic behavior, all the time.
she is nice to steven and peridot after both have proven to be nice and useful to her.
and she is especially nice to them when its about HER.
it seems almost weird how good lapis fits in in some situations like the baseball game.
since RS planned the mirror gem from the very start, what if lapis theme song is actually "love like you"?
Rebecca already said Love like you was meant to fit pretty much any relationship in Steven Universe.
It was weird how I hated Lapis since day one but now you put it into words; she never owns up to her mistakes and is an overall shitty character. Even before I was a fan of Jasper I hated her. And it's frustrating when you think that it was Lapis being the abuser but 80% of the rest of the fandom thinks it was Jasper. And you get scoffed at for it. no joke, it has happened before.
thank you for calling out the bullshit that's everyone's blue "uwu my angel" waifu Lapis Lazuli.
yuck.
Except its not. Tell me how Jasper abused Lapis?
Joshua Adeosun I'm wondering this too. how DID Jasper abuse Lapis?
Ever Grim I think by using Lapis for power. I while I think that's a shitty reason to want to be in a relationship it isn't really abuse.
Ryan Carson sure, Jasper wanted power. she was in a dire situation and was her last resort. But Lapis wanted revenge. Lapis could have easily gotten out Jasper's grasp. But it was her desire for revenge, on anyone, that had her decide to stay.
Joshua Adeosun hey, i myself am an avid watcher of Vox. I dont completely agree BUT I am actually open to agree on the concept that both of them abused each other. I just don't like it when people holler at me saying it was all Jasper's fault. because if they were both at fault, like you mentioned, Lapis takes most of the blame.
In light of the recent episode "Raising The Barn", I think Lapis' character makes a lot more sense actually. Her "inconsistent characterization by the crewniverse" is actually just who she is, I think. I think she has PTSD, so half the time she's pretending to be fine and doesn't address her issues, retreating behind a lazy and sarcastic, but also somewhat silly and fun-loving personality. But whne she gets triggered (yes, this is the proper use of that word), she's laser-focused on trying to prevent repeating her past traumatic experiences, and becomes blind to other people's feelings and needs, steamrolling over everyone with her water powers and berating them. It's not the crew handling her badly, it's Lapis handling herself badly.
i feel like during hit the diamond she just “yeah. It’s whatever at this point. I don’t care anymore”
I cant thank you enought for this video. This is the first one i ever watched from your channel and I am so glad I did.
Just like you, I was in love by Lapis' story since the beginning, but what they did with her development destroyed all my dreams about her. Also, Jasper is my favorite character and YOU SR, is the verry first person to actually take in consideration the things that Lapis did to her. Specially, that when Jasper was on her knees, she treated her like thrash. So THANK YOU!
I will be sharing this video with my friends!
You Lapis fans are switching the whole thing around and twisting stories (+bombshell)
The lapis fans were the one who were saying she was such a blue angel kind matyr caring and just the angel of god, now that we prove good points your twisting it saying she is hated? Peridot was forgived because she actually redeemed herself. most people hated peridot for the longest time. but when she redeemed herself, she was forgiven, because she changed. lapis has yet to change, and sorry but i dont think she ever will. She victimizes herself too much
Bombshell Angel Peridot did realize what she was doing was wrong she was indoctrinated into the diamond's ideology. Because of being taught by the gems she learns that life on earth is special and it takes time but we see her develop. With Lapis she changes but it's hard to understand why. Peridot had to have her supreme ruler personally admit to being corrupt and not resourceful. But with Lapis...I don't know? She made a friend? It just seems badly written
I'm still sitting here waiting for any character development for Lapis, which may never come sadly. I feel even Onion can have more development if you give him more episodes.
Like I wanted to like Lapis so badly but the writers just continue to have her not developed and all she does is complain or come off as a jerk instead of someone who is suppose to be snarky. I'm really tired of waiting for her to be better written. I've waited enough.
Rootbeerfloat Productions ugh I know right, this is proven even more in the new episode when she was getting all pissy with Navy
Take It Slow i dunno man, in the.middle of that episode, Lapis also said, "Theres something wrong with me.." and she even apologises to Navy. (before they got onto the ship and got trolled by navy lololol)
Agreed 👍
Wait, people still see Lapis as a damsel character?
...She's being played as a damsel?! I thought the 'I am broken and my actions are out of line with the messaging of the show' was the whole POINT of Lapis...when she admits that what she did with Jasper was wrong, I was hopping that Jasper and Lapis would be EACHOTHER'S redemption...that through each other they could learn their own flaws and fix themselves. Jasper respect's Lapis's power...being put in that position would naturally make lapis have to inspect herself and confront her issues, rather than the 'ignore and coast' thing she's got going on right now. And Jasper, seeing this physically powerful person that she respects be broken under the weight of responsibility, might see things aren't all about physical power and rank.
I didn't know any one considered Malachite a 'self sacrifice'. It was so clearly said to be an act of aggression...every time Lapis talks about it, she mentions something about how she did it to feel powerful.
Scottthespy
Exactly! Not to mention that to a certain point she never wanted to defuse. She is still salty about many things, which she has worked on getting over them, but every time she moves forward she tends to keep a firm grasp of the past until it's affecting her present moments visibly. It's like a reutine she is stuck in. I've seen this personally and it's such a long process too. Many people expect her to be fine within a season and quickly build up from there but it doesn't work like that. It's been taking her an entire season to make one solid step forward and that's not even regarding how big that said step is.
Scottthespy, he has bended you.
I...don't know what that means.
I always thought she be a emo type chacter like a little of sasuke or maybe a hint of vegeta
"Just let me do this for you!"
Mighty interesting that people can’t even say that Lapis reminds us of people who’ve abused us without being told we’re wrong and that Lapis isn’t an abuser.
I think you bring up very good points. However, I disagree with your conclusion. You are correct in pointing out the flaws in her character and I agree that she is a very flawed person, possibly the worst character in the show when referring to personality. I also agree that she is not a very well-developed character, but she could certainly be worse. But even if the whole forced fusion thing is a misunderstanding, you can't ignore that Lapis has gone through severe trauma and is probably suffering from multiple disorders. If I remember correctly, Lapis was caught in the middle of a war she wasn't particularly involved in, the rebellion. Being in the middle of a war is traumatic enough on its own, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.
She was trapped into a mirror, and used as a tool, for the Homeworld Gems throught she was a Crystal Gem. Eventually, after she showed no sign of being able to help them they *abandoned her for 1,000 years.* And for all that time, she was conscious, and she was alone. And you know what she was probably doing? Thinking about how the Crystal Gems caused this. If they hadn't rebelled, the Homeworld gems wouldn't have captured her. And she hates Homeworld now, too. She hates *everyone.* And spending all of that time alone out there, unable to even move? It probably drove her to the brink of insanity. And then she was saved. She felt a little glimmer of hope when Pearl picked her up after who-knows-how-long. She thought she might actually be free. Maybe, for the first time in forever, she was hopeful. Excited, even. And what did the Crystal Gems do with her? Well, they sure didn't free her. And the hope went away. It hurt Lapis. She never wanted to hope again.
Even if she wasn't trapped by Jasper in the way we are led to believe, Lapis has gone through extraordinary trauma. Yes, many other characters have gone through trauma as well and they came out sane(ish), and the response is to say: Well Lapis is a terrible person, always whining and whimpering about how miserable she is! And, yeah. But maybe she's just expressing her emotions. And we see her as 'bad' because she doesn't know how to express herself. She isn't comfortable with herself. Because really, she's just a grudge-holding person who has suffered at the hands off... well, everyone.
Lol I'm sorry for the paragraph XD Anyways even if I disagree I still love your videos and I hope you keep up the amazing work
Lunar Simulation 100% like being alone with your thoughts for millennia is the worst form of torture, so of course she's not gonna just change.
Thank you! I totally agree!
Although I hate Lapis attitude specially in the newest episodes, I always try to be more empathic with her because I totally understand that what she lived was trauma. Hope someday she can go through all of that.
People TOTALLY LACKS empathy, she was caught, trapped, used and rejected by EVERYONE, of course she's terrible: she's full of fear, traumatized, worried and very scared of everything, everytime. She is my favourite character and I totally identify with her, sometimes it's not so easy to overcome so many things in a few months. U_U
'they abandoned her for 1,000 years' It's actually even worse than that. The gem war was over 5,000 years ago. She was frozen, mute and immobile and fully conscious the whole time, for 5,000 years. It's a wonder she's even still lucid after that. I would have gone insane a long time ago.
Papa Slice, *water* you gonna do about the Lapis Lovers?
Sky Whale Is I i get it
Sky Whale Is I he IS a lapis lover
So many people bring up the bad things Lapis has been through as if those justify her actions. Guess what? Just because you've felt pain doesn't mean it's okay to inflict it on others. Everyone makes mistakes, but you need to apologize when you do, and Lapis doesn't. Every relationship/friendship she's ever had has been based on malicious manipulation; she deceived Jasper so she could trap her at the bottom of the ocean and torture her for months on end, she intimidated Peridot to the point where Peridot was afraid of bringing up certain topics or saying anything that made her angry, and she plays the victim for Steven because she knows his empathy makes it impossible for him to argue when she does. Remember when he wanted to rescue her from the fusion? She said, "Just let me do this for you!" But he didn't want that. He never asked her to. She did it because *she* wanted to.
She's been shown to be violent against innocent people (Connie and Steven), she roots for others to fail (she celebrated when Navy the Ruby betrayed them instead of being redeemed), and will gladly act weak or show overwhelming power depending on who she's talking to and what she wants to get out of them.
The only episode where she was entertaining to me was "Hit the Diamond," and that's because she was calling out/supporting Ruby and Sapphire's flirtation and being hilariously deadpan while doing it. That Lapis hasn't reappeared since.
All very true points! The situation between her and peridot really makes me cringe because I'm very much like peridot, and I just got rid of a lapis friend in my life. It took a while to really understand what they were doing, because like peridot, the people I care about I REALLY care about and its hard to comprehend that they are actually hurting me. but once they were gone it was easy to reflect on how they were really so manipulative, not just with me but with so many people in their life. It makes me sick to think people ship lapis and peridot now :(
I think this himedere attitude is maybe du to the fact that she ils part of the court of blue. I think she is a very important gem(she's the only lapis we have heard of and in the song of yellow, they seem to be important and very powerdul), when you see the way she act and so, she don't feel the need to feel(or say) sorry or something like that. She had say it in the épisode she was introduced: "do you know WHO i used to be?!!"(yes, arrogant... A bit)
Oh, i agree with the vidéo , and it's cool to see that many people actually see it that way, lapis do not act well allé the time and did some terrible thing(especially with péridot and Jasper) and she didn't feel or say sorry. But i think that this attitude can be explained by this😐(sorry for the mistake i speak french,not english)
Fan de manga it’s ok your English is really good 👍😊
LSPisLit I know this is off topic but wording skills are easy. Just try to expand your vocabulary and know what words to use.
And guess what? PEOPLE DONT JUST APOLOGIZE TO THEIR ABUSERS. (I see both Lapis and Jasper as abusers in their relationship)
Lapis Lazuli is like Azula, but you actually feel sorry for Azula. Azula was used and abused by her father. Unlike Zuko, she was craving for her father's approval. I used to like Lapis but not anymore. Lapis Lazuli is also like Helga G. Pataki. There's a reason why Helga is the way she is. She has a reason to act out because her mother is an alcoholic while her father is abusive. Her sister is the favorite and she had to go to preschool ALL BY HERSELF. Her mom and dad didn't even give her a ride to school, they were too busy praising Olga. No wonder Helga resents her older sister, but it's NOT Olga's fault. Olga is just as damaged because she's a perfectionist. She has to live up to her father's expectations.
and?
I just get irritated how lapis keeps creating problems just out of spite and can’t control her emotions or use common sense to try to understand other character’s emotions. It’s extremely frustrating😫
Skateboarding Waters The abused don't have an emotional common sense for a long time.
Hunter A. Which makes it ok for her to repeatedly hurt people she cares about? (Not twisting words, I’m curious about what people think)
Robert Flannigan - Hell no, but I just hope people see that she isn't as good as she can be in the future when she heals.
Yeah, honestly. Lapis is the most pissy, petulant, illogical character in the show. I had my fill of her and more when she broke Peridot's most precious possession. She bores me entirely at this point.
Rowena McKay I think you mean Peridot like step off green bitch
^^ We don't care, Peridot actually redeemed herself while you are still lying on your "tomb".
Dang, need attention much? X0D
I really needed a video like this. Proof how Lapis isn't the BEST character in Steven Universe
I find it funny how people feel the need to defend Lapis in this comment string. I never once said Lapis was a bad character or/and was the "WORST". Even I agree their development is going to take time considering they have been imprisoned inside a mirror for thousands of years. All I was trying to say was that if someone were to ask you, " Who has the best character DEVELOPMENT in the series?" Lapis shouldn't be your FIRSt answer. Lapis should be the FIRST answer to, " Who needs more work and time done in the series to actually get some character development done?" I'm fond with the concept of Lapis, also I enjoy the character at a certain extent, but their way of thinking isn't always the best, and could be a liability
Retro Random Same
Retro Random I don't think she's the best, but I do like her character.
same
Retro Random but I still like her. I actually think she's a relatable character. always blaming others, feels like everything happened just to her. you know? it's common for people to be like that
No the best it's pearl
I like Lapis, but anyone saying she’s a bad person has a good point.
I just wished people would stop treating Lapis as some sort of weak damsel in distress. She's done A LOT of terrible things. Not to mention that she's probably the most powerful gem (except for the diamonds) we've seen so far. She sing handedly took down the Crystal Gems. She may be emotionally broken, but that does not excuse her actions.
Even Sour Cream has more development than Lapis does... 😓
Adelaide Fisher and Onion
Especially Daisy sour cream can you do a Dallop with daisy. 🍏🍎🍐🍊🍋🍌🍉🍇🍓🍈🍒🍑🥭🍍🥥🥝🍅🍆🥑🥦🥬🥒🌶🌽🥕🥔🍠🥗. Fruits, vegetables, edible roots and salads for all vegan eaters, low on lactose, meat and nut ingredients because lapis lazuli sucks.
wtf?
I agree sooooo much...She's gone from a potentiality great character in "Mirror Gem" to a half-plot device, half-comedic relief character now. :( What a shame.
Lapis is supposed to be problematic. She’s a victim of trauma with twisted morals and a skewed view on life. This is all intentional for her character. That’s why I love her.
As for Jasper and Lapis, to me, they were both toxic towards each other. Lapis was physically abusive and Jasper was emotionally abusive.
Is she a good person? That depends on what your ideology is. Based on her actions, no but at heart I think she is. She has good intentions, as twisted as they can be. Kind of like a high functioning sociopath.
Snowbirdie Inc I agree. All the signs that lapis is showing is signs of PTSD. But she has done her case of good things just like she has with her bad things.
Just like Aidan Hodgson said, she does good things and bad things. Everyone does good and bad things and that’s what makes lapis good. She is a more relatable character and has had good development, but still shows how certain things can permanently harm you. You can’t just turn it off.
Being hurt doesn't give the excuse to hurt others... And Jasper was not abusive... She asked for lapis's consent, got it, and ended up being trapped. Lapis even admitted later on she liked taking out all her emotions out on Jasper.
Honestly, TBH, Lapis is an unlovable character to me Personally, because I've been through/experienced abuse and Trauma from someone who ID'd as Lapis Lazuli.
So, personally, IDK,
I think she sucks.
Like, she Stinks.
Major dookey-doo-doo.
She's toxic and rotten to her core.
All these dislikes *scream* that they are from people who desire to do nothing but protect and baby Lapis. The thing is, there are times where I do appreciate her character. Mirror/Ocean Gem? An intriguing character that mystified us all and foreshadowed future lore of the gems. Alone at Sea? A great in depth look at someone who sees their reflection and hates herself for what she did, but struggles to fight back from her inner demons. But learns to say no; not because she's facing off her abuser, but because she was the one who caused the pain and suffering, and wants the cycle to end. The story of Malachite and how it effected both of them is much more complex than people realize, and how morally gray the situation is (with Lapis being the one to make the other suffer, while Jasper the warrior is the one who suffers but wants to come back to the relationship) creates this unsettling story that captivated me... except for the fact not much else has been done with it at all.
Other than that, all the tension Lapis had between the Crystal Gems (including Peridot) is nonexistent. Peridot being her interrogator? Nah, suddenly they are BFFs (also a rushed problem in and of itself)! Being trapped in a mirror? Aside from a few jokes, nothing is settled. She hands around the gems like it's no problem (see Hit the Diamond). Except the last times she saw them they were either facing off Jasper or fighting Lapis's water clones. Excuse me? What conflict? They were brushed off for a character who makes jokes about how much she hates Earth, how she almost drowns people, etc. Which is only funny for so long because these things need to be discussed, else something is missing within the story.
Whew, I wrote way more than I anticipated. Knowing quite a bit of Lapis Lazuli fans who baby her to death makes me exhausted just thinking about her potential and how it's slowly disintegrating.
Missingangle She had potential to one day in the battle field to choose Homeworld or Steven or she had.potential for cautious interactions with the rest and her Peridot friendship was rushed Lapis could've healed Jasper and instead they shove her in the barn
Oh, I understand that. People will dislike just for the hell of it, or they didn't like something else about it. But almost 500 dislikes on a video saying that Lapis Lazuli is not a good character? I've seen Lapis Lazuli stans on, say, Tumblr; they get incredibly defensive. So a huge mount of dislikes can be for the reasons you said, but I still stand by my point.
Very true. It's not like the owner of the video is deprived of likes, haha.
Oh, no, of course I don't understand depression at all. I clearly don't have a close relative who I love who goes through it daily and needs to take medication to not feel like garbage and and shit and has revealed to me that they have had suicidal thoughts before. No, you clearly think I have a great life just because I do not like how this character is written. Great correlation! Hah! Just stop and next time, don't assume things out of people. Just because I have problems with a character doesn't mean I fail to understand what she may be going through.
Also, yes, it's clear Lapis does have problems and likely some sort of mental illness. It's clear in how she prefers to keep to herself and bottles things up until she lashes out (Room for Ruby was a great example of this, and one of my favorite Lapis episodes, honestly. Really shaped up the character a touch, but it doesn't fix everything). She has trouble communicating with others and isn't great at socializing, especially with humans. But first off, that does not excuse her actions, such as with Malachite and nearly drowning children. Mental illness does not excuse the actions of people at all. That's a disgusting way of dismissing people's actions.
Secondly, of course I'm not asking her to always think positively. My problems with Lapis lie in the fact that her conflicts with the Crystal Gems are currently brushed under the carpet. They never talk about her being in the mirror, her fusing as Malachite, or anything else. Lapis clearly feels bad about what she did, but they have yet for her to find closure with herself and the others-proper closure-and instead, she sits around the barn, hiding from her issues until they'll come back to hurt her. I WANT her to talk about her issues, about how she still hates Earth and the Crystal Gems, but the show isn't giving us that yet. In order to become a better person, this character must discuss these issues she has with people. I find that her arc will be all about freedom-freedom from prisons, freedom from how awful she feels about her actions, freedom from her inner demons that still lurk. And that would make her such a beautiful and powerful character, an example that you can overcome the worst parts of yourself and become a better person despite them.
How is THAT offensive, and therefore apparently a right for someone to try and lash out at me? How am I offending people when all I ask is that Lapis *talks* about her problems?
No. These dislikes can come from people who do not agree to the things he says.
There are some logical missconceptions during his "rant" and a lot of pretty dumb assumptions (like "we can't predict what she will do when she meets bismuth again").
AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!! THANK YOU MR. OTAKU. THANK YOU FOR THIS TRUTH FINALLY. I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
P.S. I love Jasper so much. Initially Lapis was my favorite, but when she did that, she became kinda disgusting imo :l, no longer like her at all.
Jasper Lover I thought I was alone...but after seeing this comment and so many others..... JASPER IS BAE! LAPIS IS CRA!
If you ask me, Jasper is the most well-developed character in the show.
*In my opinion.* It may not be *yours* but don't criticize me for it.
Oh, so now you can't criticize opinions? OKAY THEN.
Wow after this I have a different view of her.....
I know, right? Glad this is the case tho, no matter how emotionally invested you are in a story, you always have to be objective and observe its flaws
Same. My view of her has drastically changed to the point where she isn't my favorite character :'(
ALittleOfPeridot Same
To be honest, as cruel as it sounds, I never had an opinion on her. I thought she was _meh_ .
Mr. Jacobi Sadly Same here....
Yes! I’m so glad someone is bringing this up! I still like Lapis, and I know sense 2017 Lapis has had a lot more character development but still!
Also, aren't you looking at Lapis through a very black and white lens? I mean, you go from saying Jasper went begging on her knees for Lapis to just attack her like a monster, without mentioning that Lapis attacked because Jasper was about to attack Steven... Lapis isn't a good or bad person. She's a flawed person.
Both lapis and peridot are nothing to this show anymore. Nothing but comic relief. Haha, look at the wacky barn friends, doing nothing of note while the real characters do the important stuff! I hate it. Lapis was way too quick to decide that she thinks earth and peridot are just swell. Literally, she gets one episode of resistence. It's fucking ridiculous.
In the return and jail break, Peridot was so cold. She had no problem blasting Steven with the ship at all. Now in newer episodes, it's excused as loyalty to the diamonds and acted all happy go lucky "I LOVE MUH DIAMOND.". Jasper doesn't excuse being cold and hating earth due to the fact that the diamonds tell her to. But she had good development atleast.
Ronaldo is more related to the plot than Peridot and Lapis
A bit late but this. It's a shame that the show doesn't really seem to know what to do with Lapis and Peridot after their (for the lack of a better word) acceptance of life on Earth. Lapis was trapped on the planet not because she was associated with Crystal Gems or the war in any personal way, she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. There's so much pent up rage and helplessness that could be explored with Lapis, like a person who's desperate to take back what little control they can because they've been deprived of choice and agency for so long.
I think the show slightly touches upon this when Jasper comes back to ask to fuse again, because in a way Lapis and Jasper had similar motivations for forming a destructive fusion--Jasper wanted power, Lapis wanted control--but after that everything that could be interesting with Lapis is brushed off for comedy or "aww Lapis begrudgingly loves living here" tsundere schtick. (Why was she on Earth? What purpose does a Lapis usually serve in Homeworld? She talks of "never belonging on Earth" but she's never really shown that much longing or sense of allegiance for Homeworld either. There's very little of Lapis that the audience knows about so her overall aloofness towards both Earth and Homeworld comes across as an arbitrary gimmick from author's hand rather than a natural reaction.)
Viktor Stardust Lars and Sadie were comic relief too. See how things change?
Viktor Stardust I AM NOT FOR COMIC RELIEF
Her introduction was fantastic, and it's a crying shame that her character has been potrayed so poorly, I'm sure with time and we'll thought out execution Sugar can make Lapis great again!
So after the most recent 2 episodes of Steven universe and watching other people's explanations for her behavior I fully retract my previous comment, these are the exact symptoms of PTSD, and depression and I jumped on this too soon to make fair judgment.
LucidWolfCombat your wish has been granted
Not everyone can be the goody two shoes lol
Spoilers
When she stole the barn, that made her a villain in my eyes, I hope she becomes an antagonist from this point on :(
Welcome to Steven universe future.
It would have been cool if she became a villian tbh
Kinda like a plot twist!
Or
They could have gave her a proper redemption arc like peridot
:/
She was interesting character with alot of potential just like peridot but her development was executed very badly.
Kinda a waste
Wow Jasper is really somehow a good gem. I feel bad for her. Her Diamond, shattered . Abused. Forced to another Diamond. All this and possibly more on Jasper's back, she has been through too much. Now she's corrupted, in a bubble, no hope of getting out. She now has no mind, no one to serve for. I think that Steven could possibly help her, since she is half corrupted. She is broken, shatter (mentaly). I hope people will realize what she's been through. I do.
Peridot Luv the corrupted was her own fault. She forced a poor creature to fuse with her. I like her, but she is not a good gem.
If you had watched the whole thing, Lapis had a choice to fuse with Jasper. Jasper did not force her to do anything, she only gave her a choice. The corruption was because of being abused and almost everything she has even cared about has been taken. She might one day become a good gem, with a proper chance and strong support. She can be forgiven for what she has done. Her purpose was a war, fighting is all she's ever known. If she could be intoduced to a new way of living, she could still keep fighting and live as a crystal gem! I think Jasper is an amazing character, but she just needs a chance to change her ways.
c͓̽r͓̽o͓̽s͓̽s͓̽ c͓̽h͓̽a͓̽r͓̽a͓̽ Ya know, I completely agree.
I agree with you as well, I just wanted Kanon Pedersen to Understand because they clearly didn't watch the whole thing.
c͓̽r͓̽o͓̽s͓̽s͓̽ c͓̽h͓̽a͓̽r͓̽a͓̽ Jasper is a villain, not a poor abused good person. I don't see why people feel pity for her corruption. She brought it upon herself. I see why people feel pity for her because of malachite and all the abuse she's taken, but she brought her corruption upon herself.
wow this whole video really opened my eyes to things I haven't noticed about Lapis. She is kinda an asshole and while she went through being stuck in a mirror for thousands of years, everyone has issues and don't really have the right to take it out on other people. This video also redeemed Jasper for me cause while Jasper had ulterior motives for forming Malachite, Lapis just basically put Jasper in a dungeon in Malachite mind space if that makes sense, which was a eye for an eye move on Lapis' part but Jasper walked away from waaay more damaged that Lapis was and that's sad. So yeah, I want a redeeming episode for Lapis cause after looking at this video and remembering "Room for Ruby" Lapis knew Navy was on some bull cause if Lapis was in the same situation she would've done the same thing.
Lapis is a terrible emotion manipulator. And probably she haves horrible secrets about her true missions on Earth.
She's definitely a lot darker, and sinister than she lets on. Ive gotten that vibe about her as well.
llwyd Blaidd
No one seems to be pointing out that she is extremely strong. What was she sent to earth to do?
I admit, I was one of the gullible people who thought lapis lazuli was pitiful and perfect, but when I saw the scene of her ruining period’s gift, I died inside. NO ONE HURTS PERRY!!
I never noticed all that. But you're totally right. She is portrayed inconsistently, and the show doesn't acknowledge the bad things she's done onscreen as being bad.
I feel like Lapis was great in Mirror Gem and Ocean Gem. In The Message and Jailbreak I still liked her. I still felt the choice to fuse was a poor attempt at self-sacrifice. I was even okay with the way she acted the Chille Tid. But I expected so much from her only to be so let down. She is dry, sarcastic, mean-spirited and the show is either overplaying how badly she was treated or almost joking about it. I thought Lapis had the potential to give us insight into the gems who were caught up in the war without taking a side. She could be the person to show to Steven and the audience that the Crystal Gems aren't always the good guys. But instead, she just jokes around and I've actually come to despise all the episodes with her, Peridot and Pumpkin because they just feel so pointless. For me I don't think Lapis is a bad character in that she's evil, I think she's a poorly written character
I like these facts.
Lapis is pretty for sure, but think fans.
Do you like lapis? or the IDEA of lapis?
She makes me think of girls wanting to date that poplar dude at school just because he's hot and talented but is a total duchebag as a person.
But nobody seems to care because "he can change one day".
- Tried to kill Steven and Connie (and a lot of people)
- Tortured Jasper in Malachite (who's been beat up enough already with the whole Pink Diamond fiasco)
- Not enough backstory!!!
- Overly seen as the victim despite all this.
- She was (note WAS) a total (other name for donkey) to Peridot (and pretty much everyone).
"Where is her song?" well, she might have a tune in this Friday's episode, but not some sort of song about herself (and I honestly thought JASPER would get her song before Lapis :P).
The last quest, I don't really care..
me neither. I've heard Lapis' VA, Jennifer Paz, sing waaaay too many times.
lpsmovingstyles1 There's water witch. And no matter the circumstances Peridot and Jasper were huge jerks and don't really deserve much pity. Lapis tried to warn Steven about them, so she clearly didn't want to be forced to be taken prisoner again and fight her only friend. If there's anything consistent in her character, it's that she adores Steven.
I'm not even a big fan of SU, but from what I've seen Lapis isn't bad where people see it. Connie is the only point where she deserves hate for being mean, but that's a huge one.
Check out Room for Ruby and you'll really despise Lapis.
Croc Gaming pearl never totured jasper and has the most developed backstory of all the characters. I don't remember pearl trying to kill Steven and Connie but she has almost let them die on occasions.
Lapis is a gem that is very confusing but because of the way she was executed it makes her seem bad but if you look more into her actions you will see that she is misjudged and needs to find herself.
I like Lapis, but I liked Jasper so much more.
It's refreshing to see that people feel the same way. Seeing characters getting cradled is starting to get a little old.
I think Jasper is an underrated character, she's my second favourite character in the whole show
i want an episode where they un-bubble jasper and cure her of corruption
I will honestly say that Jasper is an amazing character and Malachite is my favorite fusion. But I relate most to Peridot and I have always had hope for Lapis. After watching this video.... I've lost most of my respect for her.
Although her character hasn't been properly explored or developed, I'm still very fond of Lapis. I've always viewed her as a character suffering from PTSD, so her actions may not always make sense e.g. fusing with Jasper and punishing herself in the process because she believes she deserves it. It makes me think of people who have been through severe traumatic experiences of abuse and on a certain level blame themselves for it. Still, it would be great for her character to have a proper 'breakthrough' and resolution from those past events. I'm still holding out hope for a peridot-lapis fusion!
Your right.
she really shouldn't have stayed in the barn... after her return as malachite, her imprisonment was written off as a joke, and then kind of... swept away until the boating episode, which really wasn't as hard a nerve. I feel like if you could show domestic abuse more clearly in kids shows, her character could've been developed better... but it wasn't.
the same thing happened to peridot. she started off as a diabolical do for the mission, even killing a marble in her first appearance because it was cracked. then she was basically team rocket when stranded on earth... then after catch and release she basically acted like an ill-tempered kid... then she became a hipster artist.
I feel like, in trying to give these characters more personality, they were taken to their extremes. broken character? make her a pessimistic goth like girl. villainous girl
without weaponry? make her a non threatening girl with an attitude. I can understand how their characters got like this, but it breaks away from the forethought of the orig trig of gens: pearl likes having charge and maintaining order, but is actually doubtful of herself because she's not supposed to do that. amethyst is carefree and laid back, but has inner turmoil about her origins and self worth. Garnet is calm for the most part, but when showing emotions, she's extremely raw when dealing with them. these characters had their personalities and flaws planned, while the others... didn't.
When Lapis crushed Peridot's taperecorder that was the moment I stopped trying to tolerate her. I feel no pity for this character and I believe SHE was the abuser in the Malachite relationship
She was. It was made obvious in the episode "Alone at Sea".
I completely agree
Jasper did it so she could try to shatter the Crystal Gems. They actually hate each other.
Ash B. I was waiting for someone like you to comment something like this so I can clap for him , I am clapping for you right now 😀😊
although it's sort of Lapis's own fault for dragging Jasper into the sea in the first place, I mean it's understandable. She was furious. The show never stated who was the abuser or the abused, because Lapis hurt Jasper, but vise versa too.
They fucked up each other.
It was complicated.
She was such a fascinating character in the beginning that kind of failed later on.
It’s important to note that one thing she is good about is keeping me on the edge of my seat. We still don’t know a lot about her and I’m excited to know more!