its because companies know what we actually want. they probably spend millions finding out and fine tuning things for them to be as appealing as possible.
That's because it's the vocal minority. Meaning WE are the ones asking for innovation, 95% of people unfortunately aren't as passionate as we are. And when that percentage happens to be, they back off because: 1. It's a purchase that costs 100s of dollars. It's an investment. 2. It's different from the norm. If they aren't invested emotionally as well, they will burn out that drive to really make a difference that they could've otherwise made. It would truly be so awesome to see headlines about interesting and quirky phones, but I truly think we've hit that plateau point where most people are just "fine" with the minimum.
There's no such thing as an "interesting phone" anymore for most people. Smartphones themselves have become just "meh". Like wooden spoons - you may produce a wooden spoon with nice carvings on it but few people would really appreciate that extra feature. How would you "innovate" wooden spoons? You wouldn't because they more or less reached their final form and carvings are not innovation.
Well... what if I don't listen to music or watch movies on my phone on-the-go and see no use for it because of it? I don't use wireless ones either because of the cost, you can easily lose them, the audio has some delay and it needing to be charged. Are you also disliking people for not buying a certain brand or design? Seems a bit silly, doesn't it?
@@JustAnotherYou2berI think he meant those who are against the headphone jack,not using it is fine but advocating the removal or justifying brand's decision to remove it is a concern for me. Some common arguments are slim phone (most will use cover anyways), IP ratings (they where there even before the removal of the audio jack) even I don't use micro SD but that doesn't mean I will support it anything that takes away choices from us is a L for me
@@Rishabh-Dev it was brave. Unlike other features, it is visible to people and they had accessories they spent money on that now is a hassle to use on those devices. But the payoff was real: they shaved off another material, design complexity, and distributor from their supply chain. In exchange, the backlash wasn't big enough that it's a net loss compared to the gains they have from its removal AND pushing their brand of TWS to the consumer. It was risky, and there are people who rightly hated it to these days, but as a person working in the intersection of sales, finance, and product departments, I have to applaud its ingenuity and bold business decision that has paid off so well everyone else copied the move. Apple might not be the first to innovate on technical aspects of their products, but they always innovate on business aspects of their products.
@FengLengshun I recently purchased a phone from POCO brand. It is as slim as IPhone 15. Comes with headphone jack, migrated, nfc, wireless charging and cherry on top, no Emerging camera lenses. I don't know what the heck these companies are crying about.
Most people don't care for spinning, folding, or curving phones. They just want something that works reliably, has a speedy chip, and a great battery life. That's it! And they don't upgrade their phone every year but every 3-5 years when their old one starts getting slow or the battery degrades!
Hate that it’s every 3-5 years, the old ones lasted so long and computers still last so much longer. Phones are priced so garbage and have such garbage hardware design just like laptops. They’re the same level of BS with the same anti-repair and planned obsolescence.
Samsung A52 and A52s were the last Samsung A5x with everything. People have choosen to buy flagship without those features, way before those features disappeared. It's a choice, made year after year. Most people have choosen to buy earbuds and copy from Airpods to look like an iPhone user. It's logic for a brand to cut off features when they see it can bring more benefits. People still can buy type-c earbuds ( 20€ for example) but they prefer to buy wireless earbuds. We, collectively, choose and accept.
Yeah I wanted to try a new smartphone from Samsung. Then I discovered Samsung doesn't have a 3.5 jack, even the most pricey premium phones, I just passed Samsung entirely.
as i understand it the sd card slot was removed due to the nand being used for sd cards not being quality and cell phone makers getting tired of getting support calls for something that wasn't their problem
@@kitalthevali This is actually a thing in multiple industries. In live sound, all the console manufacturers got tired of being called because Waves plug-ins running on the consoles would cause crashes. Now you need to buy a separate proprietary DSP from Waves and use inserts to run Waves plug-ins on new consoles.
Buying a phone without a headphone jack was one of the worst decisions of my life, specially considering i come from a low income environment where buying expensive wireless headphones isn't exactly the priority.
@@omina.fornozhave a history of being flimsy and snapping inside your charge port Edit: I can say this one from experience on both sides... Ive dropped my phone once whilst one was plugged in, snapping it inside the port. I've also extracted them not just for myself, but for friends, as well. (It's more of a pain than you think).
@@mercoro Budget phones still have the jack. But you don't need brand name air pods. Apple sells everything at a premium. Amazon sells no name air pods for $20. They work great.
@@godpleasegimmehottomboygfActually, it was the women and that group seems to be the one being catered to by phone companies. Some of Apple's top execs came from fashion or luxury brands.
I didn't receive a charger. Instead, I got a Type-C to Type-C cable, which is useless for my old charger. I was advised not to use my old charger and to buy a new one for $20. I ended up buying a Type-C to Type-A adapter and am still using my old charger. These trillion dollar companies are starving to take every cent from their customers
The replacements are often more expensive and not as good. For good quality audio, storage space, and battery life, 3.5mm, SD card expansion, and removable battery are just better, much cheaper, and didn't even affect enough to warrant the change.@777idkineedausername
3.5mm jacks, radio, SD card slot, easily removable battery, a screen aspect ratio that doesn't result in empty space on a RUclips video What other features did they take in the name of "innovation"?
@@lowspender147 I haven't seen any with a field swappable batteries. I always wanted one that that could maintain operation through a batt swap but no one ever built it, as far as I know. Several that you have to dig for using tools, like my Samsung, but it's not something to do on-the-go.
People really forget how much LG pioneered the current smartphone market, and how many features and designs that are common today that they brought first to market. Just as a sample... LG was the first to bring us the glass front and back, quad HD display, thin side bezels, multiple cameras on the back, multiple cameras on the front, quad DAC, double tap to wake and sleep, 18:9 display, and the super bright display. These are just the ones I can easily name off the top off my head. In almost every case, each of these were called a "gimmick"... Untill Samsung or Apple did the same thing then they were called "innovative" and "the future of smartphones"... 🙄
It's like when you tell a joke and nobody listens. You repeat the joke louder, everyone gives you the stink eye. Then the popular guy retells your joke and everyone laughs. That's LG with smartphones
Except lots of people make fun of apple and Samsung as well, they just have enough brand security to stay prosperous in times of adversity. LG would throw anything at the wall to see what stuck. That business model can't last forever.
The thing i miss the most of my LG G3 was screen unlock with a sequence of taps inside a square while screen off. S23's underdisplay fingerprint is fine, but not as precise as the LG system used to be.
oh yeah I remember that. It was such a cool feature when im riding my bike and my phone is attached to a phone holder. I dont have to press any power button or reach for the fingerprint scanner on the rear. I just tap a pattern and im in. @@gf66620
That's why I stick with budget phones, as they have the features that have disappeared in midrange and flagship phones. The Micro SD card slot and headphone jack is a must for me.
I mean yeah in Asia you got tons of choice for phone with headphones jack &sd card it's good , my mom has Realmi 9I 5G ..it had both headphones jack and 1tb microsd card support
@@TheJunky228 I'm still using a 2017 Huawei Honor 9 with 5.15" display. Sadly mine is a 4/64GB version because the 6/128GB model wasn't available yet in my country when I bought mine
Influencers were constantly walking on eggshells for Apple and Samsung, while reserving any harsh criticism for everybody else. shame on all of them for giving us the status quo we have now.
I'm all for flexibility and not against it but what are you using sd cards for in today's usb 3 speeds, wifi6 bandwidth, gigantic 128GB storage times? last time I got a card it was 2GB in size..
@emperorSbraz I filled up 128gb on my new s24 in about a week between games, apps, videos, and everything. I hate swapping things out and hate sitting at the maximum storage. I have tons of microsd cards from 128gb to 1.5tb. If I could slot in the 1.5tb this would all be a non issue. Keep in mind the older phones which have headphone jack and memory card slot were also thinner some how
@@hdslave dang that's a lot of videos :) I'm at 90GB after 3 years and I copied my old phone data in here too. to each their own I guess. the headphone jack for me is also very important for the flexibility of not HAVING to buy stupid battery powered expensive headphones for no reason. I think my current device has a shared second sim/sdcard and of course 3.5mm jack. we lost the fight with removable battery for now though :(
@@hdslaveI don't know what percentage of those are games to videos, but if they are videos I would off load them to the cloud or an external storage device anyway.
Moto still does last I recall. I'm using the '23 Power model and it has enough battery to last 2 days of use without charging (I think it has a 5k mAh). Wife has the '24 Stylus and it has pretty good display with pretty good features for drawing on the go. Has a handy double-shake to turn on and off the flashlight too which I've only seen on Moto phones. My only gripes so far is just an odd UI for the apps drawer and no NFC, though I think the '24 Power has NFC. If you're interested, maybe look them up for your next phone? I'll definitely keep an eye on Sony, thanks
@@DustyOrange I have the razr 2024 only dislike is obviously small battery coming from the 2020 model. I had a second phone as a work phone which I'm looking for now and Motorola has not optimize the software to work with Xbox controller for cloud gaming which makes me 😢. Other than that this phone is fucking amazing. Lol I have people converted to android lmao.
Finally, PDAs were supposed to be the pocket computing standard and instead we got iPhone the so called smart device that's severly limited in input and versatility and entirely compensates for it through software and online feature sets. Hopefully we can get RISC-V PDAs with optional cellular features if you actually want them.
@@arandomfox999 doubtful, unless Apple started the trend. Let's not forget: Linux phones died. Multiple times. Gimmicks and features they don't understand won't convince people to buy phones. You have to convince them it will meaningfully improve their life. For some, just being able to access social media, the digital economy, and occasional photos are good enough. Phones are just commodity to them. For others, it is a status symbol - Apple and Samsung are valued, because others valued them much like people values Casio or Ford. Others values different things - including gimmicks, sometimes. But ultimately? People will buy what they _think_ they need.
So many vendors in Asia, it keeps the competition up and prices down. Sometimes they offer unique features to differentiate from the others but most of time the money talks. I wouldn't call it innovation but it's much better than having just 3 choices.
It makes it overwhelming and hard to keep up. The companies in Asia *NEVER focus on refinement and the minutiae* and instead focus on who can put out the fastest CPU and GPU only to replace them in 6 months or so. That's why Xiaomi, who is notorious for releasing dozens and dozens of phones, is slammed for having unreliable, poor quality software despite the historically superior hardware... 😭
@@odeiraoloap Straight UP DISAGREE this is just old Rumers , i have still Xiaomi Redmi note 4 from 206 THAT IS STILL working , and my dad has MI11X ,HyperOS recieving Tons of cool features and preety much stable now after 3 years , NOT TO MENTIONED UNGODLY AMOUNT IF CUSTOM ROM SUPPORT IT HAS OH MY GOD ..
@@xninja2369 I've used Xiaomi before. The only one I liked was Mi A1, which is more of a Google phone. Every time I see an ad from my friend's Xiaomi phone, I just look at it in disgust. Even disregarding that, it feels way too busy. Not as much as the other Chinese brands, but it's one of the reason why I steer clear of them all.
@@chhandobhihbhushan2742 what vendors? If you have the money, you go with Apple or Samsung. If you're an on-paper specs guy or contrarian, you maybe go to Xiaomi. Maybe, if you have money and feeling eccentric, you go to Huawei. The rest? You buy them because some sales person or an ad got commissioned so you buy them without thinking about the invisible compromises. And for most, that's fine - they just need something to access the digital economy. That's not a compliment on those phones, it's a reflection of the commoditization of phones. Phones are the new computer now - some people will go to Apple, others to Lenovo, and some others will think a cheap laptop with AI sticker is a good purchase.
You are correct, I don't want innovation. I want functionality. Innovation is just a means to an end. It is a way of discovering new and useful functionality. If the functionality that is being offered through "innovation" is of no use to me then the innovation is of no use. The market decided that the things that LG was trying were not useful enough to them to be worth the novelty. That doesn't mean they are wrong. They chose the product that was best for them.
This. Things getting redesigned every year means it's either a fashion product, or the product segment is in its infancy years. Once dust settles, people and companies settle on designs that work the best. The hammers we bought 30 years ago look the same as the hammers we buy today. It's fine for phones to reach the same point of maturity at some point.
mobile phones have become an essential needs for many people. once a technology matures to necessity, innovation is second to reliability, safety, and consistency. cars for example.
Absolutely agree that once LG stopped making phones the other android phone makers got lazy. I was a HUGE LG fan, my last several phones were LG (G4, G6, V60with the dual screen). Now I'm stuck with Samsung and while it does have some neat features, they are not nearly as good as LG. The best thing about the LG phones was the space for expandable memory, which hardly any of the phone brands offers any more.
I used to be a fan, but my LG phones kept dying close after warranty expired. I moved away and never regretted. Asus, Poco where rhe phones I had since then
I still have my LG V20 and use it as a dedicated audio player. I will NEVER get rid of it. The Hi-Fi quad DAC paired with my Sennheiser HD 650's is fantastic combo.
HTC sorta returned, but they were like, frozen in a time chamber and came back with a phone that's new but feels like it's from the past (2014 or something)
Sony needs to make their flagships more affordable and support them for longer. It's crazy what you have to pay for one and then get Xiaomi levels of software support.
@@michalsvihla1403 Yeah Sony is great and they were always expensive tbh. I like their very conservative approach to everything. But yeah their biggest weakness is software. I mean i don't even care about the updates since Their phones are openly supported to have bootloader unlocked and they even give out some binaries to developers for cameras and stuff. So u can install your own ROM if you want but i mean you even don't have to cause the android updates just don't even bring anything new anymore. The real problem however is that their overall software experience is just lackluster. Features are missing, they rely too much on Google's basic apps instead of offering their own (which used to be excellent) and their apps they still have aren't as polished and look dated. Also the era when android skins were undesirable and when Google poured all of their cool new ideas into AOSP android are gone, now AOSP is bare bones and manufacturers kinda have to put a lot of effort into polishing their system and Sony just lacks in that.
@@MrMozkoZrout The updates are not important in the way of Android versions, but security patches. Without them it's generally unsafe to use the phone.
I just miss the days where it was actually feasible to simply HOLD your phone without needing to buy a separate piece of aftermarket gear for it. I'm not sure who was asking for a paper thin full screen phone destined to give you arthritis, but someone need to make them hold a caseless modern smartphone all day without putting it down, then see how they feel.
The buyers came up with that idea… There’s a reason why Apple discontinued the iPhone mini after just 2 years despite it being the cheapest flagship iPhone they had, and it wasn’t because someone at Apple didn’t like the idea. It was due to poor sales. The market has spoken. People want big phones. Small phones that actually fit in your hand are not seen as good or valuable. In a world where everything is getting unnecessarily bigger for no reason other than consumer demand, size is king. Being able to brag that you have the biggest phone is somehow more valuable than having something that’s usable. It’s sad, but it’s the world we live in
@@mrsoisauce9017 I don't think that's totally true. These marketing trends aren't that one-sided. There's just as much induced demand from manufacturers telling people "this is what you want" and the public just eating it up. No one is immune to propaganda.
@@CameronShember there is still something to be said tho for the consumers themselves not buying the mini iPhones despite them being the cheapest flagship iPhones available. Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product. If the consumer doesn't want the product, they're not going to buy it. Case and point: Apple Vision Pro
@@mrsoisauce9017 I was going to focus on you saying "there is still something to be said tho" in response to partial criticism as you seeming to want that to be the ONLY thing being said... But then you went and said: "Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product." And that's straight-up not true. That's actually not how marketing propaganda works. If it was, its very existence would be moot. The whole point of a company putting a "desirable" object spin on their marketing is to take advantage of FOMO and induce a want/commitment where there wasn't one previously. You've got the order of this backwards. This situation is more of a companies-putting-all-their-eggs-in-one-basket situation in response to a momentary trend. This desire for one product style isn't some inherent trait of the public in general from the jump.
@@mrsoisauce9017 (I'm typing this again because it seem YT doesn't like writing comments in the notification section) I was going to be petty and focus on you annoyingly saying "there is still something to be said tho" as your attempt to make that the ONLY thing 'to be said'... But then you went and said: "Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product." And I take issue with that for both of its two possible meanings. If I assume it was the first (and most likely); that companies simply cater to a desire that already exists, I gotta say: that's straight-up not true. If it were, the existence of such marketing propaganda tactics would be moot. You've got the order of operations wrong here. Companies use these tactics to take advantage of FOMO and induce a want/commitment that was not previously there. But if your meaning was the alternative, as in victim-blaming. Thinking that customers are exclusively to blame for falling prey to a successful marketing strategy tells me you got bigger problems with your worldview than worrying about phone designs or even marketing tactics. This becomes much easier to understand if you don't treat the buying public as a monolith, and notice that companies have a habit of responding to trends, often a little too committedly. Putting all their eggs (development and marketing budgets) into one basket (a momentary trend), and then creating a perpetuating/self-feeding cycle of pushing the same shit but slightly shinier is what's put us into this position. The inertia of cheapening design is what lost us the aux port on newer phones. But I think this tension will give way at some point. It will have no choice.
People understood that they just need to make phone calls, send emails, navigate apps, watch videos and take some pictures. Smartphones enthusiasts / nerds era finally ended (2010 - 2020)
@petergibson2318 scams and spam harmed the perception. Other forms of messaging became avalible with known people and better options for interviews (video calls) also became more mainstream. Text and latter messaging apps did the job of short calls without any drawbacks.
I use a flagship Sony running a no Google install of LineageOS. Phone ticks all the box and is a bit different from the norm. So there still definitely is a pathway out there for Android enthusiasts.
How is LineageOS? I'm considering trying it out for the first time. l'm currently using an Xperia 5 II. Are there a lot of drm features and functions lost?
No sd card and some models don't have headphone jack but gaming phones, most notably ROG are pretty different phones at least up until recent models where they started to blend more mainstream features, but before that the speakers are the most stand out feature.
@@sonyasever7625 not everything, the speakers are a bit mediocre (I had one), some have overheating issues, same as gaming phones the cameras are a tad lacking compared to other brands, although they have high refresh rates it isn't variable at least until recently making a slight battery drain and gaming features are a nice extra too, such as two USB ports, air triggers, the control panel, etc.. But ultimately my decision came down to price, I could get a modern phone with a gen 1 processor for just over $400 or I could have gotten an older 865/888 that had heat issues from Sony for about the same price.
Google killed windows phone. Many normies at that time were extremely dependent on google services,google wouldnt release windows phone apps of their services because of competition. And bam end of life.
It is a crime that LG did not properly advertised high quality 3.5. like I had no idea and I love my head phone jack and I never owned phone without one
Give me a phone with a 5.5" 16:9 display with flat glass and minimal top and bottom bezels, bring back the headphone jack, remove every single rear camera sensor but one (make it flush with the body) and ditch that damn front facing spy camera. There you go, the perfect phone.
I just disable the camera until I need it. They're still handy on occasion, so a hardware camera cover on what you've proposed would be perfect. Massive phone displays are awful.
Losing LG and HTC was the beginning of the end for smartphone innovation, but people just didn't want innovation. They wanted the same. They wanted to complain about the same things. People love being taken advantage of.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd I've seen big phones before, I've held them, etc - been given a work phone, etc. Yeah of course you can get used to anything, but that is not really an argument. I remember when phones were huge, then tiny, then now they've become huge again. I have no need for a huge screen, it's as simple as that. Sorry I am stubborn that way
I use a 4" iphone se from 2016 and its just so nice to use, ill never forget how compact and nice to use it is. It being a 128gb model also offered decent storage, 4k30 video, 1080p60 which todays budget phones just dont offer.
Most people don't need to use it. This was a cost-saving (and cost cutting) advancement. Why do you think they have largely removed IR blasters and notification LEDs?
Then worry about changing them. Then worry about letting the case fall to the ground and the tws not charging. Worrying about bt extra batrery consumption. See, there are reasons for the headphone jack to exist, and for it to be liked.
Phones didn't get cheaper bro. I still miss notification lights, they were very useful. The SD card is a simpke move to charge kore on storage, or push people to the cloud. Both shitty things
you inspired me to buy the refurbished phone i can currently afford to buy now , the oppo reno4 with android12 due to a previous video. You are a gem and I am a big fan from kenya. Be blessed.
Best LG phone for me was the G3. Had the G3, G4, G6 and the V30. All amazings phones and i really miss the brand. Thinking back the V30 was the most beautiful phone i had, i really regret selling it when i got the mate 20 pro.
The thing I've noticed is that as soon as any mainstream device (Samsung, Google, and Apple mainly) tries to do anything even slightly different from what has been perceived as the norm, ppl hop in the comments and forums to call designs and ideas ugly, not innovative or complain about copying. Now these companies are playing it safe by maintaining what's already worked and making a steady profit. Now the current trend is animations. Everyone wants cool/smooth animations. Meanwhile I'm sitting here wondering why Samsung hasn't done anything with edge panels in forever it seems. I want to be able to check messages from Snap, Insta, FB, etc from the edge panel. I'd also like them to update the ones currently in store as well. We're never SD support back because they can charge an extra 100 or 2 for storage and charge for cloud services. Not getting the headphone Jack because a dip in wireless earbuds/headphone sales would be annoying to them. The name of the game now is profit by any and all means now. Not create anything unique. That all changed I feel like, with the first few iphones.
And then due to the lack of basic features being missing, we have literally one, just one company left giving the full meal so to speak. From the Sony Xperias. While I appreciate that they do what they do, having one option that could disappear like LG one day is making me anxious about future "upgrades" in a hypothetical post-Xperia for me. Granted, there is Unihertz as well. Should Sony ever stop making their excellent phones, I guess I'll be fine with a Unihertz Tank. Those are really interesting!
They would have to innovate if competition offered these. Like it's happening in midrange sector which is super competetive. Goes to show that flagships are effectively ruled over by triopol of Apple, Google and Samsung.
I saw an article covering a leak or rumor of the Pixel 9a. It looks like the Pixel 9 but the cameras are flush to the back instead of having a gigantic thick bar on the back. Instead of celebrating the massive W of a flat phone, the author whined throughout the entire article about how not having a camera bar means it doesn't look like a Pixel anymore. Who give a f*** if it looks like a Pixel?! Who gives a f*** if other people can tell what my phone is at a glance?! Most pathetic "a phone is a fashion accessory, not a tool" brained garbage I've read in my life. Give me that flat phone. I miss flat phones.
@mjc0961 I mean, whether you like it or not, design language is important for many brands, and not just smartphone brands either. Design language is an incredibly important part of any physical object that a human interacts with, being so important that it has the potential to quite literally define entire brands (think Aston Martin, Alfa Romeo, Jaguar) or even entire cities and countries (Rome/Italy, Paris/France, Berlin, London, Stockholm, Oslo, Moscow, Tokyo, Madrid, Beijing, Seoul, etc). Smartphones are no exception to this rule. Every design must be unique to stand out in the sea of competitors. If these differences cannot come in the form of different sets of features (because the market has already proven that this approach burns money in a financial dumpster fire), then these differences have to come in the form of design language. The phones have to stand out from each other visually, so manufacturers put a fair amount of time into making a design that’s iconic and instantly recognizable. Apple, Google and Samsung have all done so; you cannot possibly mistake one of their designs for something else. So whether you like it or not, that reviewer does have a point
We kept an old V series LG phone in our second car, just in case of car trouble. We had it for 7 years and only got rid if it a couple of months ago. Of course, it hadn't been updated in years, but it still functioned for calls, but the battery just wasn't holding a charge. I enjoyed this walk through LG phone history.
6:03 I remember LG V35 had a launch price of $900 and it only received one major Android update. iPhone XS launched the same year and it's still receiving major iOS updates to this year.
Eh, you'll anger the people who think "innovation" is just throwing different things on a phone while not working on the software. I remember watching the LG Wing on Flossy's page and him literally taking about 5 seconds for the thumb print scanner to register what was going on before unlocking the phone.
@@BruceLeeRoy26 I've personally had issues like that with every phone that switched to under display readers, not that external ones are perfect but the lack of tactile feedback on where to place your finger seems to make retries alot more common, even more so with just a little water or dirt covering it.
@@awc900 yes AT&T model got a buggy v10. But GoogleFi model got stuck on v9. Galaxy S9 released the same year and it received security patch updates till 2022.
I had the LG G3 as my first smartphone! Then the G6 a few years later. The rear power button/finger print scanner, curved back that made a large (for the time) phone actually fit in your hand and pocket. The double tap to wake/sleep became muscle memory. No camera bump is a bonus too! Micro SD is a must, as that's the main reason I haven't upgraded from my S20FE!
From LG, I've had the G3, G4, V20, G8X and I currently have a V60. - Snapdragon 868 of I recall... - Headphone Jack with QuadDAC support (Yes, I have normal AND High Impedance headphones!) - SD Card Slot - Stylus Support - Dual Screen Case accessory (which I always use) Oh, and did I mention that it's last OS is Android 13? Which is fairly recent? This phone literally has everything most people need and then some! LG really finished with a banger. The other unique and rather innovative phone that I own, is the Surface Duo 2. Absolutely love using it.
SOME people don't want innovation. As for me my most favorite telephone of all times so far was QTek 9000, which was there way before iPhone. I would love having a telephone like QTek 9000 which is somewhat better designed and equipped with eSIM, microSD card slot, better front and back cameras, great sound card and sound speakers, micro HDMI, USB C for both charging and connecting external devices and running fully functional Linux, so I could hook up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, a big monitor and edit podcasts, music and videos on it.
For all the nostalgia for past phones people forget that companies go out of business for a reason. LG had serious quality control issues and for all their innovation somehow OS updates didn't seem important. The real catalyst for competition in the phone arena was Huawei. They scared the hell out of Samsung and Apple before they were snuffed out. Let's hope Google can do the same. Let's not forget BlackBerry who due to their own stupidity failed as a tech powerhouse yet their innovation and creativity was pillaged by Apple and Samsung.
Nokia as well. Windows phones in general, died before anyone had enough time to get used to them, because, who would've guessed, people would rather stick with what they're familiar with. Being different is not being innovative, it's just being different
@@X3RNEA5 it wouldn't. What sells like hotcakes in Asia are Apple, Samsung, and brands that knows how to sell their phones with sales on the ground. Sony is still very much a Japanese hardware company. Even with the PlayStation, their success has largely comes from the hardware, the entrenchment they had from when that mattered a lot, and the fumbling of their rivals (or just a clear lack of interest in fighting head-to-head for Nintendo).
@@X3RNEA5 They're not selling well in Asia nor Japan. iPhone has by far the biggest marketshare in Japan, contrary to the common impression that "Sony is a Japanese brand, Japanese brand = good, Xperia still exists, so they must still be doing well in their local market". 1 VI has been pretty poorly received even from its most loyal fanbase
@@FengLengshun Huh, well said. I felt like this because Sony already has a pretty good image in Asia and people will know that this company means innovation.
it's just evolution. features that are deemed useful compared to the price it adds, by the majority take off - other features wither and die. after the iphone launch there was a Cambrian explosion, lots of devices and evolution and now it has leveled off with the best features as selected by users.
I love my LG G6 and V30 so much, especially the G6. The DAC, the size, fingerprint on the back also the power button, the HDR quantum LED. G6 has the peak phone ergonomy for me.
It’s not that people don’t want innovation. People want good, beautiful products that does what it’s supposed to do and do them well. LG have tons of great ideas, but they don’t execute and market them well with half baked features that feel like prototypes rather than a full fledged product. Phones have matured to the point that we over-rely on them for virtually everything. No way I’m buying something that’s gimmicky af like bendy screens.
i dont want different for the sake of being different. i want good and better. i dont care about a car with square wheels. i dont care that we've had round wheels 100 years in a row.
I considered several LG phones very seriously. 3.5 mm jacks, removable batteries, DAC were very tempting. What broke the deal were the displays, with colours off to the eye even without comparison.
@@SitioLumbia they're marvels in hardware engineering. Still won't buy them - I'm not going to buy a phone whose sale price will immediately disintegrate as soon as buy them. And ultimately, I don't _need_ what they offer. I don't even trust if I can rely on their phones for years - though, I don't even know if I can afford them after customs kills their pricing, if the PS5 pricing is any indication.
@@Paul_RohdeYou can purchase them from smaller retailers who import them. You'll likely need to search around. I bought my Xperia 5III from an independent vendor 2 years ago in Toronto. I'm local to the area and it made sense to my needs.
I'm the LG enthusiast that was forced to move to Sony, but I still have my V50S sat around as a backup and music player, what's amazing is that old phone still feels more responsive than my X1mkV. The V10 was my first android phone and I loved having no buttons on either side, you could really grab the phone with confidence and never accidentally hit anything, you could also buy aftermarket batteries and rear covers so I put a 10,000 mAh in it. After 2 years it did bootloop though (maybe not helped by the heat of that big battery) and I didn't want a V30 as they made it sealed, so I got an old V20 and that thing was absolutely peak phone. I bought lots of spare parts from witrigs and repaired the V20 myself many times, and customised random bits with different colours, it was magnificent. The V50S came with the deal screen case which was genuinelu useful but sadly very delicate when dropped, so I bought a second one on ebay at great expense only to break it too, sad. Now I'm on my Sony and I do love the 4K screen and magnificent cameras but I miss the LG's smoothness, DAC, form factor, and reliability. I've had wayyyy more unexplained glitches on the Sony than I had on any of the LGs.
Having multiple cameras with different focal lengths was always a workaround the physical limitations of the smartphone. I never felt okay about this. A normal, traditional camera has ONE lens and ONE sensor.
Well a normal traditional camera has also a sensor ten times bigger, capable of capturing ten times more light, not being as restricted by physical limitations and not having to rely heavily on software. A normal traditional camera usually also can swap lenses so it's not like you are good with just one and even if you mean those that can't swap lenses then it's definetly not like the default lens can cover all the bases that telephoto and wide lense can. Also a normal and traditional camera suffer from the slight problem that even if compact they are usually three times bigger than your whole smartphone so that is kinda inconvienient. There is no better solution than putting three separate cameras to phones, the physics just don't allow it. And if you'd like a more natural processing and in camera approach to smartphone photography you can look at Sony. It has its drawbacks tho.
@@MrMozkoZrout Volume-wise, my Canon S90 is about the same size as my iPhone 15. By default, it's wide (f/2.0) and it can zoom to 3.8X. I did make the point about having to work around physical limitations. Doesn't mean I like it.
LG phones went out of business because the quality of their phones was crap. Phones only lasted a few years and before dying, their phones would suffer from heat death where a full battery would uncharge over a 30 minute period, making the phone burningly hot. This wasn't a few isolated incidents. All those I know who had an LG phone all had their phones suffer from this death. Only Samsung and Apple have quality phones that last. It's not rare to see people using one of these phones for 5, 6, 7 years. You don't see that with LG.
Motorola's gesture controls sold me on Motorola long ago. The wave to turn on the flashlight, and turning on the camera by looking at the back of the phone and then the front again is SO convenient, especially in cold weather.
The fact that us regular folks (yes that includes content creators) have just started to figure out the path these mega companies have been on for years now 😮 they know us better that we do
@@RegularTetragon it is still innovating in Japan, but their limited popularity do shows that it's not valued enough to justify their price and cons in other markets.
I will always complain about phones getting stale and boring but at the same time buy an iPhone and use it for the next 4-5 years lol.True I might have a second work phone sometimes but that's almost exclusively a Samsung. I guess growing up made me boring and now just prefer a phone that just works mainly because its my main computing device and the most important computer I have. If I want to tinker I have gaming handhelds and whacky devices I build in my spare time.
@@Shimeih exactly. I juzg need a tool that will work. For fun, I'll mess around with my Linux laptop or my actual hobbies. Fun phones would be nice, but I just can't justify the money to get those phones when I know what I need and want my phones to work well at.
I believe in terms of maxing out the basics on what a phone looks like we've might of peaked. Although, flip, flexible, double screen, swivel, those phones we've yet to seemore of. Granted, it all depends on what the market wants.
I had G5, G6, V40, V60, Velvet. V40 was my best, G5 Ultra lens is the first, but wasn't so good, G6 started waterproof, and V40 was so good, until V60 I just use it as backup. Velvet was so nice body even I couldn't forget today.
I miss LG so bad.... My LG Wing is finally starting to slow down because of age and I sadly have nowhere else to go. Sony isnt released in America and too expensive too risk porting over and having limited radios support. And Google phones for some stupid reason won't support features I care about ( like expandable storage and a headphone jack) I wish we had more options in the marketplace, but I'm going to keep rocking LG as long as my phone continues allows me to.
Ah yes Nothing with their quad Dac headphone jack and micro SD card slot and flip double display. Oh wait or was it just uhhh fancy lights at the back ?
@@BestGirlsBiggestFan well I mean that is just partially true tho. LG prada was the first phone with a capacitive touchscreen. Otherwise even something like IBM Simon had a touchscreen back in the 94. But I mean technically you are still right
The V10 was amazing and different. The way you could switch the back for style was top notch. I loved how different it was, and the quad DAC made a legitimate difference for audiophiles.
I actually bought one of those LG wings at the end of their lifespan for like $200. It was actually a really good phone but it was impossible to put a case onto it and for some reason it was extremely slick and so it obviously fell and cracked no matter how safe I tried to be with it.
I loved my LG v10 but after my third one going into a bootloop I just had to give it up. The second screen was such a cool feature. I even added wireless charging to it which was hardly a thing at the time. The camera was awesome, but the software is what did the phone in. How did they let that issue persist for so long and through so many models?
G5 is still my favourite phone ever. The camera was excellent and the unlock on the back was so convenient compared to the underscreen tech used today. I was tempted by the g6 but the slow software releases really put me off.
I had lots of fun carrying a little utility pouch on my belt with spare batteries and that spare charger that doubled as a battery bank. Family and friends were amused and in awe of me doing the TACTICAL BATTERY RELOAD instead of needing to plug in somewhere... and could offer to charge theirs too with the bank!
The finger print sensor being placed in the back of the phone, roughly towards the top 3/4 of the device, and functioning as a scroll wheel in a way, allowing you to bring down your notifications and the quick settings bar by swiping down on it, as well as hide it by swiping up, is a feature I am going to struggle to live with out. As far as I'm aware, a modern device does not exist with this feature anymore and as a result, I'm keeping my google pixel 2 xl as long as I possibly can.
The V30 was my favourite LG phone. It was super light, looked good, the ultra wide camera was amazing, and the quad-DAC for my Sennheiser wired headphones make it superb. My only gripe with it was the screen uniformity issues that plagued this model of devices.
I'm a proud V30 owner! At least, I was until literally yesterday. I went strong with it for well over 6 years! The phone lasted surprisingly well for me. The fingerprint sensor conked out a couple of months ago and that's what finally got me to change.
My first smartphone was the LG Thrill which had a 3D screen that operated just like a Nintendo 3DS. It could take full 3D photos and video, which was the coolest thing ever.
I used to love my G4 until it, too, caught the bootloop of death. The placement of the power and volume were perfect, and the leather back was a really neat vibe. Since then I've had Samsungs, Motorolas, and I'm currently rocking my third Sony, but that LG G4 will always have a special place in my heart.
I still use the g8x with the dual screen display as my daily driver on android 11. It still works flawlessly as the day i bought it 4 years back except for battery degradation due to normal use. Exceptional device and it still feels new. I use all of its features on a daily basis and dont feel the need to upgrade even after looking at all the new 8 elite..d9400 and a18pros. All apps works smoothly and even games on normal settings plays smoothly. I will use this device as long as the battery lasts. Love this phone. Thanks for making this phone LG.❤
Still rocking my 7-yr-old LG V20. For media consumption - especially music playback - it's hard to beat. At least Sony hasn't done away with the 3.5 mm jack and expandable memory.
As others have said, it isnt that people don't want innovation, but that people want functionality. I would argue that LG (and brands like it) innovated _too_ much. Not that they weren't doing good things, but their continuous changing of how their phones operated led to people not seeing them as reliable due to having wildly different experiences per purchase. Sadly, this led to them falling out of favor of the phones that were a pittle more consistent, and contributed to how poorly things ahve been since, as the loss of lg phones has led to the remaining companies growing too big for their beitches, and removing many of the reliable features that people actually want.
I've switched to LG after owning some flagship iPhones and Samsungs. Had LG G3, G5 and G6. Then switched to Pixels. Sure, LG had its own problems, but I never really looked back to iPhones/Samsungs and loved the innovations and their own approach to doing things. G3 was thin and really pleasant to hold, with flat screen and curved back panel, had laser autofocus (though it was unpolished and thus slow) and on screen focus indication (kind of painted parts of objects in focus with green, super cool feature), back side buttons (loved these), IR port and block/wake screen by double tap, which was reliable and fast. G5 had a double camera (the second one was a wide angle) and a curved upper screen side, which were both cool and unusual back then. It also had a camera, HiFi and extra battery modules. G6 had a display with rounded corners, quality headphone audio, metal body with front/rear glass, while still being sturdy as f due to good construction and mil standards. I still have it, it works and I take it out once in a while to listen to lossless music with my AKGs/Beyers. Also, LG was much less expensive when bought second hand and was much cheaper to repair. Losing this company and their G/V series was a big loss.
People scream every phone looks the same and it’s boring. But when an interesting phone comes out. Nobody buys it.
its because companies know what we actually want. they probably spend millions finding out and fine tuning things for them to be as appealing as possible.
@@mikn999because a lot of these devices are just too expensive😢 not that I can't afford it's just crazy to spend money like that😮
For me it’s always been that the interesting phone has had some sort of deal breaking compromise
That's because it's the vocal minority. Meaning WE are the ones asking for innovation, 95% of people unfortunately aren't as passionate as we are. And when that percentage happens to be, they back off because:
1. It's a purchase that costs 100s of dollars. It's an investment.
2. It's different from the norm. If they aren't invested emotionally as well, they will burn out that drive to really make a difference that they could've otherwise made.
It would truly be so awesome to see headlines about interesting and quirky phones, but I truly think we've hit that plateau point where most people are just "fine" with the minimum.
There's no such thing as an "interesting phone" anymore for most people. Smartphones themselves have become just "meh". Like wooden spoons - you may produce a wooden spoon with nice carvings on it but few people would really appreciate that extra feature. How would you "innovate" wooden spoons? You wouldn't because they more or less reached their final form and carvings are not innovation.
I dislike everyone who is against 3.5 mm headphone jack
Well... what if I don't listen to music or watch movies on my phone on-the-go and see no use for it because of it?
I don't use wireless ones either because of the cost, you can easily lose them, the audio has some delay and it needing to be charged.
Are you also disliking people for not buying a certain brand or design? Seems a bit silly, doesn't it?
stuck in pre-teenage development?
@@JustAnotherYou2berI think he meant those who are against the headphone jack,not using it is fine but advocating the removal or justifying brand's decision to remove it is a concern for me. Some common arguments are slim phone (most will use cover anyways), IP ratings (they where there even before the removal of the audio jack) even I don't use micro SD but that doesn't mean I will support it anything that takes away choices from us is a L for me
I'd rather have a waterproof phone than a useless hole
I dislike the 3.5mm jack. It’s either 2.5mm, 4mm, or nothing.
Removing 3.5jack was cowardly move.
@@Rishabh-Dev it was brave. Unlike other features, it is visible to people and they had accessories they spent money on that now is a hassle to use on those devices.
But the payoff was real: they shaved off another material, design complexity, and distributor from their supply chain. In exchange, the backlash wasn't big enough that it's a net loss compared to the gains they have from its removal AND pushing their brand of TWS to the consumer.
It was risky, and there are people who rightly hated it to these days, but as a person working in the intersection of sales, finance, and product departments, I have to applaud its ingenuity and bold business decision that has paid off so well everyone else copied the move.
Apple might not be the first to innovate on technical aspects of their products, but they always innovate on business aspects of their products.
@FengLengshun I recently purchased a phone from POCO brand. It is as slim as IPhone 15. Comes with headphone jack, migrated, nfc, wireless charging and cherry on top, no Emerging camera lenses. I don't know what the heck these companies are crying about.
It made manufacturing easier, but when phone shopping it is a feature I look for
Just use the USB-C port. It's almost in the exact same location.
@@xocomaox Nah I'd still prefer ones with jack. Nothing can match analog quality.
Most people don't care for spinning, folding, or curving phones. They just want something that works reliably, has a speedy chip, and a great battery life. That's it!
And they don't upgrade their phone every year but every 3-5 years when their old one starts getting slow or the battery degrades!
Innovation doesnt always mean better or even good. It usually just means expensive and broken
@@chiquita683 apple vission peo
@@chiquita683 or , if not broken, at least untested and buggy.
And when the battery degrades, we want to be able to pop in a new one in less than 5 seconds!
Hate that it’s every 3-5 years, the old ones lasted so long and computers still last so much longer. Phones are priced so garbage and have such garbage hardware design just like laptops. They’re the same level of BS with the same anti-repair and planned obsolescence.
I hate Samsung for copying Apple and removing the headphone jack and the sd card slot.
Samsung A52 and A52s were the last Samsung A5x with everything.
People have choosen to buy flagship without those features, way before those features disappeared.
It's a choice, made year after year.
Most people have choosen to buy earbuds and copy from Airpods to look like an iPhone user.
It's logic for a brand to cut off features when they see it can bring more benefits.
People still can buy type-c earbuds ( 20€ for example) but they prefer to buy wireless earbuds. We, collectively, choose and accept.
Yeah I wanted to try a new smartphone from Samsung. Then I discovered Samsung doesn't have a 3.5 jack, even the most pricey premium phones, I just passed Samsung entirely.
as i understand it the sd card slot was removed due to the nand being used for sd cards not being quality and cell phone makers getting tired of getting support calls for something that wasn't their problem
@@kitalthevali This is actually a thing in multiple industries. In live sound, all the console manufacturers got tired of being called because Waves plug-ins running on the consoles would cause crashes. Now you need to buy a separate proprietary DSP from Waves and use inserts to run Waves plug-ins on new consoles.
They're purposely designed that way so they can sell you the "solutions" and have a good laugh about it people still buy it
Buying a phone without a headphone jack was one of the worst decisions of my life, specially considering i come from a low income environment where buying expensive wireless headphones isn't exactly the priority.
What about USB-C to 3.5mm adapters?
@@omina.fornozhave a history of being flimsy and snapping inside your charge port
Edit: I can say this one from experience on both sides... Ive dropped my phone once whilst one was plugged in, snapping it inside the port. I've also extracted them not just for myself, but for friends, as well. (It's more of a pain than you think).
@@omina.fornoz it's a mess of cables to have. Don't fit great in the pocket either.
@@mercoro Budget phones still have the jack. But you don't need brand name air pods. Apple sells everything at a premium. Amazon sells no name air pods for $20. They work great.
@omina.fornoz that tends to wear the charging port out a lot faster
Once phones moved from a piece of innovative technology to a status symbol the competition and innovation just died.
They are very reliable phones, that keep their values for a long time and they also look pretty
what s-hole do you live in if phone is a status symbol?
@@AudriusN There isnt a country on Earth where the iPhone Pro Max isn't a status symbol. The only difference among countries is the age group
@@BillyBob-oi9kl Welcome to EU, muppet, nobody effin cares.
@@godpleasegimmehottomboygfActually, it was the women and that group seems to be the one being catered to by phone companies. Some of Apple's top execs came from fashion or luxury brands.
Yeah remove the features people use daily and call it an ''innovation''
Absolutely a genius idea.
There are replacements.for most all those features. You are the one refusing to upgrade.
Of course, taking away replaceable batteries does suck.
@777idkineedausername Not the same thing on so many aspects.
From audio quality to charging.
I didn't receive a charger. Instead, I got a Type-C to Type-C cable, which is useless for my old charger. I was advised not to use my old charger and to buy a new one for $20. I ended up buying a Type-C to Type-A adapter and am still using my old charger.
These trillion dollar companies are starving to take every cent from their customers
The replacements are often more expensive and not as good. For good quality audio, storage space, and battery life, 3.5mm, SD card expansion, and removable battery are just better, much cheaper, and didn't even affect enough to warrant the change.@777idkineedausername
@777idkineedausername It's not an "upgrade" it's predatory bs to extort more money for basic features.
3.5mm jacks, radio, SD card slot, easily removable battery, a screen aspect ratio that doesn't result in empty space on a RUclips video
What other features did they take in the name of "innovation"?
An external charger for quick-change batts would be nice. Milwaukee phone?
is there any smartphone out there that still has removable battery? I want one
@@lowspender147 I haven't seen any with a field swappable batteries. I always wanted one that that could maintain operation through a batt swap but no one ever built it, as far as I know. Several that you have to dig for using tools, like my Samsung, but it's not something to do on-the-go.
I want my sd slot back
@@stickboybob Sony Xperia still has one
People really forget how much LG pioneered the current smartphone market, and how many features and designs that are common today that they brought first to market.
Just as a sample... LG was the first to bring us the glass front and back, quad HD display, thin side bezels, multiple cameras on the back, multiple cameras on the front, quad DAC, double tap to wake and sleep, 18:9 display, and the super bright display.
These are just the ones I can easily name off the top off my head.
In almost every case, each of these were called a "gimmick"... Untill Samsung or Apple did the same thing then they were called "innovative" and "the future of smartphones"... 🙄
Sexual harrassment from the ugly guy, compliment from the handsome guy meme comes to mind, really.
It's like when you tell a joke and nobody listens.
You repeat the joke louder, everyone gives you the stink eye.
Then the popular guy retells your joke and everyone laughs.
That's LG with smartphones
Except lots of people make fun of apple and Samsung as well, they just have enough brand security to stay prosperous in times of adversity.
LG would throw anything at the wall to see what stuck. That business model can't last forever.
The thing i miss the most of my LG G3 was screen unlock with a sequence of taps inside a square while screen off. S23's underdisplay fingerprint is fine, but not as precise as the LG system used to be.
oh yeah I remember that. It was such a cool feature when im riding my bike and my phone is attached to a phone holder. I dont have to press any power button or reach for the fingerprint scanner on the rear. I just tap a pattern and im in.
@@gf66620
That's why I stick with budget phones, as they have the features that have disappeared in midrange and flagship phones. The Micro SD card slot and headphone jack is a must for me.
I mean yeah in Asia you got tons of choice for phone with headphones jack &sd card it's good , my mom has Realmi 9I 5G ..it had both headphones jack and 1tb microsd card support
Yeah we got the realme P1 speed here it has a Dimensity 7300 so it's good enough for daily tasks and light gaming
nah, i'm gonna buy sony xperia, i will support them with my wallet. they still have sd card and 3,5mm jack
@@sonyasever7625 @sonyasever7625 only Flagship brand with 3.5Mm jack , Sd card + Separate app for videography + natural photography 🗿
It's going away there too
Even the small compact phones they replace with the gigantic 6.7inches phones.
imo 6.1 - 6.4 inch phones are the perfect size
@@limo1795 and I'm still using a 2017, 4.7" screen, xz1 compact because even 5.1" is larger than what I want, forget about the 6" range lmfao
@@limo1795 It's a very comfy screen size.
@@TheJunky228 I'm still using a 2017 Huawei Honor 9 with 5.15" display. Sadly mine is a 4/64GB version because the 6/128GB model wasn't available yet in my country when I bought mine
Because no one bought them
I want phone manufacturers to stop removing ports!
Exactly, stop removing upgradability possibilities too (sd card, replaceable batteries)
money go brrrrrrrr
I'd like a second USB-C for sure.
@@antilogism What would you do with those two charging ports?
@@Abhishek__Parihar USB-C, not charging. Saves having to use a hub with 2 devces or a device with a charger.
Influencers were constantly walking on eggshells for Apple and Samsung, while reserving any harsh criticism for everybody else. shame on all of them for giving us the status quo we have now.
We desperately need the microSD slot back. It absolutely sucks not having that in my galaxy phone
I'm all for flexibility and not against it but what are you using sd cards for in today's usb 3 speeds, wifi6 bandwidth, gigantic 128GB storage times?
last time I got a card it was 2GB in size..
@emperorSbraz I filled up 128gb on my new s24 in about a week between games, apps, videos, and everything. I hate swapping things out and hate sitting at the maximum storage. I have tons of microsd cards from 128gb to 1.5tb. If I could slot in the 1.5tb this would all be a non issue. Keep in mind the older phones which have headphone jack and memory card slot were also thinner some how
@@hdslave dang that's a lot of videos :)
I'm at 90GB after 3 years and I copied my old phone data in here too.
to each their own I guess.
the headphone jack for me is also very important for the flexibility of not HAVING to buy stupid battery powered expensive headphones for no reason.
I think my current device has a shared second sim/sdcard and of course 3.5mm jack.
we lost the fight with removable battery for now though :(
@@hdslaveI don't know what percentage of those are games to videos, but if they are videos I would off load them to the cloud or an external storage device anyway.
@@emperorSbraz You can buy a usb-c earphones. I have one pair.
I'm so sick of the camera hole in pretty much every phone screen nowadays. I will always buy Sony Xperia until the industry moves away from it.
And that's why the Xperia phones look old, like a 2013-era TV with the MASSIVE forehead and chin. 😭
@odeiraoloap Sony Xperia 1 V does not have a forehead and chin. In fact it has an uninterrupted viewing experience.
The Xperias are great, but they lack camera hardware and software that competes properly. Despite the natural processing
I had an Xperia 5 II, I liked the headphone jack and camera but the rest of the phone let me down sadly. So now I'm on a boring Samsung phone.
@@RennieAshwhat do you mean ? Most of smartphones use their camera.
It's not that we don't want innovation. It's that we don't want to have to buy a new phone every year.
We want headphone jacks, nfc, ir blasters, and radios.
no headphone jacks. we have NFC. IR blasters are useless (where are you "universal remotes" now?).
Headphone jacks? No thank you for me.
Jfc just get a Sony
all Xiaomi phones have ir blaster and nfc lol
swappable batteries and sd card slots
it would be good if phone manufactures would push a new phone every 3 years or so not every year with a small changes
I think android need to do that first.
No thanks, i treat myself to a new phone every year.
Would suck to go buy a new phone now and it was made 3 years ago😂 would not be very new then😂
@@iLuseMy1v1s Me thinks you're bad with money lol
@illegalalien6542 my 830 credit score suggests otherwise.
Headphone jack and SD card slot needs to comeback, only sony still do it
Moto still does last I recall. I'm using the '23 Power model and it has enough battery to last 2 days of use without charging (I think it has a 5k mAh). Wife has the '24 Stylus and it has pretty good display with pretty good features for drawing on the go. Has a handy double-shake to turn on and off the flashlight too which I've only seen on Moto phones. My only gripes so far is just an odd UI for the apps drawer and no NFC, though I think the '24 Power has NFC. If you're interested, maybe look them up for your next phone? I'll definitely keep an eye on Sony, thanks
@@DustyOrange I have the razr 2024 only dislike is obviously small battery coming from the 2020 model. I had a second phone as a work phone which I'm looking for now and Motorola has not optimize the software to work with Xbox controller for cloud gaming which makes me 😢. Other than that this phone is fucking amazing. Lol I have people converted to android lmao.
LG needs a comeback 😭❤
Nah good riddance after boot loop issues & poor sales it’s OVER 😅
For who to buy?
I say htc would be better
They have always had brilliant ideas, just poor way too market them
@@GuyRobertKernisant ...and poor manufacturing quality which lead to the confirrmed problems with 7 dying premium phones and multiple cheaper models.
Nowadays I'm watching videos about old PDA's and other handheld devices and have realized, we went foward but in reverse.
Finally, PDAs were supposed to be the pocket computing standard and instead we got iPhone the so called smart device that's severly limited in input and versatility and entirely compensates for it through software and online feature sets.
Hopefully we can get RISC-V PDAs with optional cellular features if you actually want them.
Palm pilot was PDA King back in the day. A legend.
@@arandomfox999 doubtful, unless Apple started the trend. Let's not forget: Linux phones died. Multiple times. Gimmicks and features they don't understand won't convince people to buy phones. You have to convince them it will meaningfully improve their life.
For some, just being able to access social media, the digital economy, and occasional photos are good enough. Phones are just commodity to them. For others, it is a status symbol - Apple and Samsung are valued, because others valued them much like people values Casio or Ford. Others values different things - including gimmicks, sometimes.
But ultimately? People will buy what they _think_ they need.
Damn... I miss my QTEK 9100 with windows mobile so much!
So many vendors in Asia, it keeps the competition up and prices down. Sometimes they offer unique features to differentiate from the others but most of time the money talks. I wouldn't call it innovation but it's much better than having just 3 choices.
It makes it overwhelming and hard to keep up. The companies in Asia *NEVER focus on refinement and the minutiae* and instead focus on who can put out the fastest CPU and GPU only to replace them in 6 months or so.
That's why Xiaomi, who is notorious for releasing dozens and dozens of phones, is slammed for having unreliable, poor quality software despite the historically superior hardware... 😭
@@odeiraoloap Straight UP DISAGREE this is just old Rumers ,
i have still Xiaomi Redmi note 4 from 206 THAT IS STILL working , and my dad has MI11X ,HyperOS recieving Tons of cool features and preety much stable now after 3 years , NOT TO MENTIONED UNGODLY AMOUNT IF CUSTOM ROM SUPPORT IT HAS OH MY GOD ..
@@odeiraoloap my 4 year old budget Xiaomi phone still standing great
@@xninja2369 I've used Xiaomi before. The only one I liked was Mi A1, which is more of a Google phone. Every time I see an ad from my friend's Xiaomi phone, I just look at it in disgust. Even disregarding that, it feels way too busy. Not as much as the other Chinese brands, but it's one of the reason why I steer clear of them all.
@@chhandobhihbhushan2742 what vendors? If you have the money, you go with Apple or Samsung. If you're an on-paper specs guy or contrarian, you maybe go to Xiaomi. Maybe, if you have money and feeling eccentric, you go to Huawei.
The rest? You buy them because some sales person or an ad got commissioned so you buy them without thinking about the invisible compromises. And for most, that's fine - they just need something to access the digital economy.
That's not a compliment on those phones, it's a reflection of the commoditization of phones. Phones are the new computer now - some people will go to Apple, others to Lenovo, and some others will think a cheap laptop with AI sticker is a good purchase.
You are correct, I don't want innovation. I want functionality. Innovation is just a means to an end. It is a way of discovering new and useful functionality. If the functionality that is being offered through "innovation" is of no use to me then the innovation is of no use. The market decided that the things that LG was trying were not useful enough to them to be worth the novelty. That doesn't mean they are wrong. They chose the product that was best for them.
This. Things getting redesigned every year means it's either a fashion product, or the product segment is in its infancy years. Once dust settles, people and companies settle on designs that work the best. The hammers we bought 30 years ago look the same as the hammers we buy today. It's fine for phones to reach the same point of maturity at some point.
Well said !
mobile phones have become an essential needs for many people. once a technology matures to necessity, innovation is second to reliability, safety, and consistency. cars for example.
Absolutely agree that once LG stopped making phones the other android phone makers got lazy. I was a HUGE LG fan, my last several phones were LG (G4, G6, V60with the dual screen). Now I'm stuck with Samsung and while it does have some neat features, they are not nearly as good as LG. The best thing about the LG phones was the space for expandable memory, which hardly any of the phone brands offers any more.
Market got lazy not because of Lg but because american ban for huawei
I used to be a fan, but my LG phones kept dying close after warranty expired. I moved away and never regretted. Asus, Poco where rhe phones I had since then
It's crazy how many people are commenting like they founded the LG corporation or something. Why the emotional investment towards a brand?
What are you storing on your phone that can't be handled with simple storage management?
Nah, you are lying. Why don't you keep using LG? The reason you switch is because you don't like LG you bum.
I still have my LG V20 and use it as a dedicated audio player. I will NEVER get rid of it. The Hi-Fi quad DAC paired with my Sennheiser HD 650's is fantastic combo.
I was going to keep mine as a smart IR remote too, but I bricked them.
OL MATE SENNY HURR GERR SIX HUNGOES?!
HTC needs to enter the chat
Same for LG, Sony also needs to stay
HTC sorta returned, but they were like, frozen in a time chamber and came back with a phone that's new but feels like it's from the past (2014 or something)
Sony needs to make their flagships more affordable and support them for longer. It's crazy what you have to pay for one and then get Xiaomi levels of software support.
@@michalsvihla1403 Yeah Sony is great and they were always expensive tbh. I like their very conservative approach to everything. But yeah their biggest weakness is software. I mean i don't even care about the updates since Their phones are openly supported to have bootloader unlocked and they even give out some binaries to developers for cameras and stuff. So u can install your own ROM if you want but i mean you even don't have to cause the android updates just don't even bring anything new anymore. The real problem however is that their overall software experience is just lackluster. Features are missing, they rely too much on Google's basic apps instead of offering their own (which used to be excellent) and their apps they still have aren't as polished and look dated. Also the era when android skins were undesirable and when Google poured all of their cool new ideas into AOSP android are gone, now AOSP is bare bones and manufacturers kinda have to put a lot of effort into polishing their system and Sony just lacks in that.
@@MrMozkoZrout The updates are not important in the way of Android versions, but security patches. Without them it's generally unsafe to use the phone.
I just miss the days where it was actually feasible to simply HOLD your phone without needing to buy a separate piece of aftermarket gear for it. I'm not sure who was asking for a paper thin full screen phone destined to give you arthritis, but someone need to make them hold a caseless modern smartphone all day without putting it down, then see how they feel.
The buyers came up with that idea… There’s a reason why Apple discontinued the iPhone mini after just 2 years despite it being the cheapest flagship iPhone they had, and it wasn’t because someone at Apple didn’t like the idea. It was due to poor sales. The market has spoken. People want big phones. Small phones that actually fit in your hand are not seen as good or valuable. In a world where everything is getting unnecessarily bigger for no reason other than consumer demand, size is king. Being able to brag that you have the biggest phone is somehow more valuable than having something that’s usable. It’s sad, but it’s the world we live in
@@mrsoisauce9017 I don't think that's totally true. These marketing trends aren't that one-sided. There's just as much induced demand from manufacturers telling people "this is what you want" and the public just eating it up. No one is immune to propaganda.
@@CameronShember there is still something to be said tho for the consumers themselves not buying the mini iPhones despite them being the cheapest flagship iPhones available. Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product. If the consumer doesn't want the product, they're not going to buy it. Case and point: Apple Vision Pro
@@mrsoisauce9017 I was going to focus on you saying "there is still something to be said tho" in response to partial criticism as you seeming to want that to be the ONLY thing being said...
But then you went and said: "Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product." And that's straight-up not true. That's actually not how marketing propaganda works. If it was, its very existence would be moot. The whole point of a company putting a "desirable" object spin on their marketing is to take advantage of FOMO and induce a want/commitment where there wasn't one previously. You've got the order of this backwards.
This situation is more of a companies-putting-all-their-eggs-in-one-basket situation in response to a momentary trend. This desire for one product style isn't some inherent trait of the public in general from the jump.
@@mrsoisauce9017 (I'm typing this again because it seem YT doesn't like writing comments in the notification section)
I was going to be petty and focus on you annoyingly saying "there is still something to be said tho" as your attempt to make that the ONLY thing 'to be said'...
But then you went and said: "Besides, in order for the "this is what you want" tactic to work, the consumer actually has to want the product." And I take issue with that for both of its two possible meanings.
If I assume it was the first (and most likely); that companies simply cater to a desire that already exists, I gotta say: that's straight-up not true. If it were, the existence of such marketing propaganda tactics would be moot. You've got the order of operations wrong here. Companies use these tactics to take advantage of FOMO and induce a want/commitment that was not previously there.
But if your meaning was the alternative, as in victim-blaming. Thinking that customers are exclusively to blame for falling prey to a successful marketing strategy tells me you got bigger problems with your worldview than worrying about phone designs or even marketing tactics.
This becomes much easier to understand if you don't treat the buying public as a monolith, and notice that companies have a habit of responding to trends, often a little too committedly. Putting all their eggs (development and marketing budgets) into one basket (a momentary trend), and then creating a perpetuating/self-feeding cycle of pushing the same shit but slightly shinier is what's put us into this position. The inertia of cheapening design is what lost us the aux port on newer phones. But I think this tension will give way at some point. It will have no choice.
People understood that they just need to make phone calls, send emails, navigate apps, watch videos and take some pictures. Smartphones enthusiasts / nerds era finally ended (2010 - 2020)
What is phone calls?😅
@@NKN82 People used to talk into their phones once upon a time. This primitive ritual has died out.
@petergibson2318 scams and spam harmed the perception. Other forms of messaging became avalible with known people and better options for interviews (video calls) also became more mainstream. Text and latter messaging apps did the job of short calls without any drawbacks.
I use a flagship Sony running a no Google install of LineageOS. Phone ticks all the box and is a bit different from the norm. So there still definitely is a pathway out there for Android enthusiasts.
How is LineageOS? I'm considering trying it out for the first time. l'm currently using an Xperia 5 II. Are there a lot of drm features and functions lost?
No sd card and some models don't have headphone jack but gaming phones, most notably ROG are pretty different phones at least up until recent models where they started to blend more mainstream features, but before that the speakers are the most stand out feature.
@@mgz0305 It's great, you can reinstall all the Sony apps and they work natively
@@vgamesx1 Sony has everything
@@sonyasever7625 not everything, the speakers are a bit mediocre (I had one), some have overheating issues, same as gaming phones the cameras are a tad lacking compared to other brands, although they have high refresh rates it isn't variable at least until recently making a slight battery drain and gaming features are a nice extra too, such as two USB ports, air triggers, the control panel, etc..
But ultimately my decision came down to price, I could get a modern phone with a gen 1 processor for just over $400 or I could have gotten an older 865/888 that had heat issues from Sony for about the same price.
I really miss the Quad DAC. I had the LG G2, LG G5, and the LG V30+.
as if you know what that means. and i bet bet you won't be able to tell which one is playing.
Agreed, especially as an IEM nerd, having to not carry dongles is huge.
@@AudriusNYou okay, bud?
@@utubepunk should i tell what to do?
A legend. They were that only one of its kind. G5 was ahead of its time.
I need Sony's dedicated camera button to become standard
I remember when every Windows Phone had such a button...
Apple added one, we called them hacks. These companies can't win in your eyes.
you can double click the lock screen button to launch camera in most new androids
I can do that by changing my active key to open the camera, and the app uses that for recording videos or taking pics, it's great
@@snowhusk no, no, i mean a button not just for launching it but for taking pictures tu, one that's lighter than the volume button
I will forever blame tech reviewers for the demise of LG and Microsoft Mobile
Right. Tech reviewers roasted LG too much. 😢
sure the tech reviewer are to blame, not that LG make crappy phones. Is that you Disney?
@@stellviahohenheim How many LG phones have you used? 😌
Google killed windows phone.
Many normies at that time were extremely dependent on google services,google wouldnt release windows phone apps of their services because of competition.
And bam end of life.
Microsoft Mobile roasted itself when it couldn't run FNAF and the next generation laughed at that.
It is a crime that LG did not properly advertised high quality 3.5. like I had no idea and I love my head phone jack and I never owned phone without one
RIP LG Mobile. You are sorely missed.😢
Give me a phone with a 5.5" 16:9 display with flat glass and minimal top and bottom bezels, bring back the headphone jack, remove every single rear camera sensor but one (make it flush with the body) and ditch that damn front facing spy camera. There you go, the perfect phone.
why ditch the front camera , make it a pop up and get the best of both worlds
@@tomanderson2006 because ugly people don't care about one
I can't do without a selfie camera 😅
I just disable the camera until I need it. They're still handy on occasion, so a hardware camera cover on what you've proposed would be perfect. Massive phone displays are awful.
@@tomanderson2006 Because I have literally zero reason to ever have a damn camera pointed at my face, and pop-ups increase cost/reduce durability.
Losing LG and HTC was the beginning of the end for smartphone innovation, but people just didn't want innovation. They wanted the same. They wanted to complain about the same things. People love being taken advantage of.
I'm sorry, I can't stop noticing how HUMONGOUS all the phones are, like geez! I still have an S4 mini from like 2013 or whenever they came out
Buy any 6.6" phone, in two weeks you will think the size is just perfect. You can configure a special mode for one hand usage.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd I've seen big phones before, I've held them, etc - been given a work phone, etc. Yeah of course you can get used to anything, but that is not really an argument. I remember when phones were huge, then tiny, then now they've become huge again. I have no need for a huge screen, it's as simple as that. Sorry I am stubborn that way
I use a 4" iphone se from 2016 and its just so nice to use, ill never forget how compact and nice to use it is. It being a 128gb model also offered decent storage, 4k30 video, 1080p60 which todays budget phones just dont offer.
I like keeping a phone one me and modern monster phones can't do that.
@@martin1649what budget phones are you referring to that don't have 4k?
I can live without headphone jack but micro sd card expansion is a must. Removing it is just pure greed
Most people don't need to use it. This was a cost-saving (and cost cutting) advancement. Why do you think they have largely removed IR blasters and notification LEDs?
Just use tws headphones they are not that expensive
Then worry about changing them. Then worry about letting the case fall to the ground and the tws not charging. Worrying about bt extra batrery consumption. See, there are reasons for the headphone jack to exist, and for it to be liked.
Phones didn't get cheaper bro. I still miss notification lights, they were very useful. The SD card is a simpke move to charge kore on storage, or push people to the cloud. Both shitty things
well duh
i hate pics and selfies , why not making a phone for music lovers with a prime dac , amplifier etc, it is all about the freaking cameras
Moondrop MIAD has all those features!
If it makes sense for them it will
Lg V phones were good for that alongside a good camera
@@martin1649 Yeah, LG was nice but partly let down by only offering 1 or 2 Android version upgrades ;-;
Yes , you are gay
you inspired me to buy the refurbished phone i can currently afford to buy now , the oppo reno4 with android12 due to a previous video. You are a gem and I am a big fan from kenya. Be blessed.
refurb is a great lower cost option. i look at the website swappa
😂
Buying a used flagship phone is always better than a midrange one, if you know how to buy it. But to each their own. It's nice you enjoyed yours.
@@safwanfatih6167💯 AGREE
There's not any major feature / changes after Android 12 anyway. Best AI products can be access as an app rather than feature.
Best LG phone for me was the G3.
Had the G3, G4, G6 and the V30. All amazings phones and i really miss the brand.
Thinking back the V30 was the most beautiful phone i had, i really regret selling it when i got the mate 20 pro.
G3 G4 Bootloop champs
@adminmovie yeah my G4 got the boot loop
The V20 is one of my all-time favorite phones as it was the last flagship to have: Headphone jack, SD Card slot AND a removable battery. RIP LG Phones
Are you talking about the vivo v20 if you are then I AM STILL USING A V20 I DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE TO A NEWER MODEL JUST YET!
@raunakgujralsongs9135 no the LG V20, since the video was about LG phones.
@@ThePolaris87 ok but I'm never upgrading to a new model because like the video says the phones nowadays are too simple
The thing I've noticed is that as soon as any mainstream device (Samsung, Google, and Apple mainly) tries to do anything even slightly different from what has been perceived as the norm, ppl hop in the comments and forums to call designs and ideas ugly, not innovative or complain about copying. Now these companies are playing it safe by maintaining what's already worked and making a steady profit. Now the current trend is animations. Everyone wants cool/smooth animations. Meanwhile I'm sitting here wondering why Samsung hasn't done anything with edge panels in forever it seems. I want to be able to check messages from Snap, Insta, FB, etc from the edge panel. I'd also like them to update the ones currently in store as well. We're never SD support back because they can charge an extra 100 or 2 for storage and charge for cloud services. Not getting the headphone Jack because a dip in wireless earbuds/headphone sales would be annoying to them. The name of the game now is profit by any and all means now. Not create anything unique. That all changed I feel like, with the first few iphones.
And then due to the lack of basic features being missing, we have literally one, just one company left giving the full meal so to speak. From the Sony Xperias.
While I appreciate that they do what they do, having one option that could disappear like LG one day is making me anxious about future "upgrades" in a hypothetical post-Xperia for me.
Granted, there is Unihertz as well. Should Sony ever stop making their excellent phones, I guess I'll be fine with a Unihertz Tank. Those are really interesting!
@@Spearra If you liked Unihertz, then you'll probably like Blackview phones.
They would have to innovate if competition offered these. Like it's happening in midrange sector which is super competetive. Goes to show that flagships are effectively ruled over by triopol of Apple, Google and Samsung.
I saw an article covering a leak or rumor of the Pixel 9a. It looks like the Pixel 9 but the cameras are flush to the back instead of having a gigantic thick bar on the back. Instead of celebrating the massive W of a flat phone, the author whined throughout the entire article about how not having a camera bar means it doesn't look like a Pixel anymore. Who give a f*** if it looks like a Pixel?! Who gives a f*** if other people can tell what my phone is at a glance?! Most pathetic "a phone is a fashion accessory, not a tool" brained garbage I've read in my life. Give me that flat phone. I miss flat phones.
@mjc0961 I mean, whether you like it or not, design language is important for many brands, and not just smartphone brands either. Design language is an incredibly important part of any physical object that a human interacts with, being so important that it has the potential to quite literally define entire brands (think Aston Martin, Alfa Romeo, Jaguar) or even entire cities and countries (Rome/Italy, Paris/France, Berlin, London, Stockholm, Oslo, Moscow, Tokyo, Madrid, Beijing, Seoul, etc). Smartphones are no exception to this rule. Every design must be unique to stand out in the sea of competitors. If these differences cannot come in the form of different sets of features (because the market has already proven that this approach burns money in a financial dumpster fire), then these differences have to come in the form of design language. The phones have to stand out from each other visually, so manufacturers put a fair amount of time into making a design that’s iconic and instantly recognizable. Apple, Google and Samsung have all done so; you cannot possibly mistake one of their designs for something else. So whether you like it or not, that reviewer does have a point
We kept an old V series LG phone in our second car, just in case of car trouble. We had it for 7 years and only got rid if it a couple of months ago. Of course, it hadn't been updated in years, but it still functioned for calls, but the battery just wasn't holding a charge. I enjoyed this walk through LG phone history.
6:03 I remember LG V35 had a launch price of $900 and it only received one major Android update. iPhone XS launched the same year and it's still receiving major iOS updates to this year.
Eh, you'll anger the people who think "innovation" is just throwing different things on a phone while not working on the software. I remember watching the LG Wing on Flossy's page and him literally taking about 5 seconds for the thumb print scanner to register what was going on before unlocking the phone.
@@BruceLeeRoy26 I've personally had issues like that with every phone that switched to under display readers, not that external ones are perfect but the lack of tactile feedback on where to place your finger seems to make retries alot more common, even more so with just a little water or dirt covering it.
The retail version only got an Android 9 update but most of the carrier versions also got Android 10.
@@awc900 yes AT&T model got a buggy v10. But GoogleFi model got stuck on v9. Galaxy S9 released the same year and it received security patch updates till 2022.
thats an android thing though, not necessarily LG’s fault
It's weird it makes me realize I probably would've bought another LG phone recently if they were still making them
I had the LG G3 as my first smartphone! Then the G6 a few years later. The rear power button/finger print scanner, curved back that made a large (for the time) phone actually fit in your hand and pocket. The double tap to wake/sleep became muscle memory. No camera bump is a bonus too! Micro SD is a must, as that's the main reason I haven't upgraded from my S20FE!
From LG, I've had the G3, G4, V20, G8X and I currently have a V60.
- Snapdragon 868 of I recall...
- Headphone Jack with QuadDAC support (Yes, I have normal AND High Impedance headphones!)
- SD Card Slot
- Stylus Support
- Dual Screen Case accessory (which I always use)
Oh, and did I mention that it's last OS is Android 13? Which is fairly recent?
This phone literally has everything most people need and then some! LG really finished with a banger.
The other unique and rather innovative phone that I own, is the Surface Duo 2. Absolutely love using it.
I had a V20, a V35, a V60, and now an Xperia 5 IV. Good stuff all around.
SOME people don't want innovation. As for me my most favorite telephone of all times so far was QTek 9000, which was there way before iPhone.
I would love having a telephone like QTek 9000 which is somewhat better designed and equipped with eSIM, microSD card slot, better front and back cameras, great sound card and sound speakers, micro HDMI, USB C for both charging and connecting external devices and running fully functional Linux, so I could hook up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, a big monitor and edit podcasts, music and videos on it.
I just want dual front facing speakers to come back 🙁
Losing LG sucked really bad too
For all the nostalgia for past phones people forget that companies go out of business for a reason. LG had serious quality control issues and for all their innovation somehow OS updates didn't seem important. The real catalyst for competition in the phone arena was Huawei. They scared the hell out of Samsung and Apple before they were snuffed out. Let's hope Google can do the same. Let's not forget BlackBerry who due to their own stupidity failed as a tech powerhouse yet their innovation and creativity was pillaged by Apple and Samsung.
Nokia as well. Windows phones in general, died before anyone had enough time to get used to them, because, who would've guessed, people would rather stick with what they're familiar with. Being different is not being innovative, it's just being different
I have v20, V30(running), V50, V60 (running) G8x (running).
I love LG. I always will be.
Sony needs to advertise and actually distribute they're fucking phones NOW
If Sony actually sold their phones in Asia it will sell like HOTCAKES
Also omg Cave Story Misery pfp!!!!!
@@X3RNEA5 a sophisticated gentleman well versed in fine culture you are indeed
@@X3RNEA5 it wouldn't. What sells like hotcakes in Asia are Apple, Samsung, and brands that knows how to sell their phones with sales on the ground. Sony is still very much a Japanese hardware company. Even with the PlayStation, their success has largely comes from the hardware, the entrenchment they had from when that mattered a lot, and the fumbling of their rivals (or just a clear lack of interest in fighting head-to-head for Nintendo).
@@X3RNEA5 They're not selling well in Asia nor Japan. iPhone has by far the biggest marketshare in Japan, contrary to the common impression that "Sony is a Japanese brand, Japanese brand = good, Xperia still exists, so they must still be doing well in their local market". 1 VI has been pretty poorly received even from its most loyal fanbase
@@FengLengshun Huh, well said.
I felt like this because Sony already has a pretty good image in Asia and people will know that this company means innovation.
it's just evolution. features that are deemed useful compared to the price it adds, by the majority take off - other features wither and die. after the iphone launch there was a Cambrian explosion, lots of devices and evolution and now it has leveled off with the best features as selected by users.
I love my LG G6 and V30 so much, especially the G6. The DAC, the size, fingerprint on the back also the power button, the HDR quantum LED. G6 has the peak phone ergonomy for me.
It’s not that people don’t want innovation. People want good, beautiful products that does what it’s supposed to do and do them well. LG have tons of great ideas, but they don’t execute and market them well with half baked features that feel like prototypes rather than a full fledged product.
Phones have matured to the point that we over-rely on them for virtually everything. No way I’m buying something that’s gimmicky af like bendy screens.
Thank you for this video! It feels like a well-deserved tribute to LG's legacy in the smartphone world.
i dont want different for the sake of being different. i want good and better. i dont care about a car with square wheels. i dont care that we've had round wheels 100 years in a row.
I considered several LG phones very seriously. 3.5 mm jacks, removable batteries, DAC were very tempting.
What broke the deal were the displays, with colours off to the eye even without comparison.
Loved my G6 and Velvet. If I could get the G6 back up running and compete with modern phones, that'd be my dream
- send from a pixel covered in tears
HTC deserves a comeback more than LG I suppose.
I owned a G3, G4, and a G8 and I miss them.
Any opinions about Sony phones?
When my LG phone gets too slow, Sony will likely be my next phone.
@@Paul_Rohde You can't get them anymore. They left the European and American markets.
@@jonfreeman9682 That's a worrying sign. I've bought many of my phones from Asia anyway, same model as Australia, where I live.
@@SitioLumbia they're marvels in hardware engineering. Still won't buy them - I'm not going to buy a phone whose sale price will immediately disintegrate as soon as buy them. And ultimately, I don't _need_ what they offer. I don't even trust if I can rely on their phones for years - though, I don't even know if I can afford them after customs kills their pricing, if the PS5 pricing is any indication.
@@Paul_RohdeYou can purchase them from smaller retailers who import them. You'll likely need to search around. I bought my Xperia 5III from an independent vendor 2 years ago in Toronto. I'm local to the area and it made sense to my needs.
I remember when I was in elementary, having a smartphone "made you look important and rich" in my old elementary school.
I'm the LG enthusiast that was forced to move to Sony, but I still have my V50S sat around as a backup and music player, what's amazing is that old phone still feels more responsive than my X1mkV.
The V10 was my first android phone and I loved having no buttons on either side, you could really grab the phone with confidence and never accidentally hit anything, you could also buy aftermarket batteries and rear covers so I put a 10,000 mAh in it. After 2 years it did bootloop though (maybe not helped by the heat of that big battery) and I didn't want a V30 as they made it sealed, so I got an old V20 and that thing was absolutely peak phone. I bought lots of spare parts from witrigs and repaired the V20 myself many times, and customised random bits with different colours, it was magnificent. The V50S came with the deal screen case which was genuinelu useful but sadly very delicate when dropped, so I bought a second one on ebay at great expense only to break it too, sad. Now I'm on my Sony and I do love the 4K screen and magnificent cameras but I miss the LG's smoothness, DAC, form factor, and reliability. I've had wayyyy more unexplained glitches on the Sony than I had on any of the LGs.
Having multiple cameras with different focal lengths was always a workaround the physical limitations of the smartphone. I never felt okay about this.
A normal, traditional camera has ONE lens and ONE sensor.
Well a normal traditional camera has also a sensor ten times bigger, capable of capturing ten times more light, not being as restricted by physical limitations and not having to rely heavily on software. A normal traditional camera usually also can swap lenses so it's not like you are good with just one and even if you mean those that can't swap lenses then it's definetly not like the default lens can cover all the bases that telephoto and wide lense can. Also a normal and traditional camera suffer from the slight problem that even if compact they are usually three times bigger than your whole smartphone so that is kinda inconvienient. There is no better solution than putting three separate cameras to phones, the physics just don't allow it. And if you'd like a more natural processing and in camera approach to smartphone photography you can look at Sony. It has its drawbacks tho.
@@MrMozkoZrout Volume-wise, my Canon S90 is about the same size as my iPhone 15. By default, it's wide (f/2.0) and it can zoom to 3.8X.
I did make the point about having to work around physical limitations. Doesn't mean I like it.
0:23 oneplus is chinese....
I think you missed one important factor, the western sanctions on Huawei.
Huawei makes legitimate industrial waste. Their own market is giving up on 'em, let alone anywhere else
LG phones went out of business because the quality of their phones was crap. Phones only lasted a few years and before dying, their phones would suffer from heat death where a full battery would uncharge over a 30 minute period, making the phone burningly hot. This wasn't a few isolated incidents. All those I know who had an LG phone all had their phones suffer from this death.
Only Samsung and Apple have quality phones that last. It's not rare to see people using one of these phones for 5, 6, 7 years. You don't see that with LG.
Besides build quality, LG's softwares were frequently crap. Innovative? Certainly. Management? Lousy.
Motorola's gesture controls sold me on Motorola long ago. The wave to turn on the flashlight, and turning on the camera by looking at the back of the phone and then the front again is SO convenient, especially in cold weather.
The correct statement would be, people don't want bad ideas dressed up as "innovative"
The fact that us regular folks (yes that includes content creators) have just started to figure out the path these mega companies have been on for years now 😮 they know us better that we do
This may just be an example of quintessence. Nobody complains about a lack of innovation in paperclips.
@@RegularTetragon it is still innovating in Japan, but their limited popularity do shows that it's not valued enough to justify their price and cons in other markets.
Standarzation and interchangeable parts are are superior to whatever feature rot and innovation bloat that plagues devices today.
Give me a Sony Xperia with 7 years of updates and secure enough to meet the requirements of GrapheneOS, and it will be the perfect smartphone.
Quality content as always 👑
*HTC
I will always complain about phones getting stale and boring but at the same time buy an iPhone and use it for the next 4-5 years lol.True I might have a second work phone sometimes but that's almost exclusively a Samsung. I guess growing up made me boring and now just prefer a phone that just works mainly because its my main computing device and the most important computer I have. If I want to tinker I have gaming handhelds and whacky devices I build in my spare time.
@@Shimeih exactly. I juzg need a tool that will work. For fun, I'll mess around with my Linux laptop or my actual hobbies. Fun phones would be nice, but I just can't justify the money to get those phones when I know what I need and want my phones to work well at.
I believe in terms of maxing out the basics on what a phone looks like we've might of peaked. Although, flip, flexible, double screen, swivel, those phones we've yet to seemore of. Granted, it all depends on what the market wants.
I had G5, G6, V40, V60, Velvet.
V40 was my best, G5 Ultra lens is the first, but wasn't so good, G6 started waterproof, and V40 was so good, until V60 I just use it as backup.
Velvet was so nice body even I couldn't forget today.
I miss LG so bad.... My LG Wing is finally starting to slow down because of age and I sadly have nowhere else to go.
Sony isnt released in America and too expensive too risk porting over and having limited radios support.
And Google phones for some stupid reason won't support features I care about ( like expandable storage and a headphone jack)
I wish we had more options in the marketplace, but I'm going to keep rocking LG as long as my phone continues allows me to.
If the innovation are cheaper, i will buy all the innovation the manufacturer makes
NOTHING is carrying the legacy of LG
Ah yes Nothing with their quad Dac headphone jack and micro SD card slot and flip double display. Oh wait or was it just uhhh fancy lights at the back ?
@@MrMozkoZrout nailed it
@@MrMozkoZrout LG made the first touchscreen phone in 2006 (LG Prada) so technically all of them, even Apple, are carrying LG's legacy.
@@BestGirlsBiggestFan well I mean that is just partially true tho. LG prada was the first phone with a capacitive touchscreen. Otherwise even something like IBM Simon had a touchscreen back in the 94. But I mean technically you are still right
The V10 was amazing and different. The way you could switch the back for style was top notch. I loved how different it was, and the quad DAC made a legitimate difference for audiophiles.
I actually bought one of those LG wings at the end of their lifespan for like $200. It was actually a really good phone but it was impossible to put a case onto it and for some reason it was extremely slick and so it obviously fell and cracked no matter how safe I tried to be with it.
I loved my LG v10 but after my third one going into a bootloop I just had to give it up. The second screen was such a cool feature. I even added wireless charging to it which was hardly a thing at the time. The camera was awesome, but the software is what did the phone in. How did they let that issue persist for so long and through so many models?
G5 is still my favourite phone ever. The camera was excellent and the unlock on the back was so convenient compared to the underscreen tech used today. I was tempted by the g6 but the slow software releases really put me off.
I had lots of fun carrying a little utility pouch on my belt with spare batteries and that spare charger that doubled as a battery bank. Family and friends were amused and in awe of me doing the TACTICAL BATTERY RELOAD instead of needing to plug in somewhere... and could offer to charge theirs too with the bank!
The finger print sensor being placed in the back of the phone, roughly towards the top 3/4 of the device, and functioning as a scroll wheel in a way, allowing you to bring down your notifications and the quick settings bar by swiping down on it, as well as hide it by swiping up, is a feature I am going to struggle to live with out. As far as I'm aware, a modern device does not exist with this feature anymore and as a result, I'm keeping my google pixel 2 xl as long as I possibly can.
The V30 was my favourite LG phone. It was super light, looked good, the ultra wide camera was amazing, and the quad-DAC for my Sennheiser wired headphones make it superb. My only gripe with it was the screen uniformity issues that plagued this model of devices.
I'm a proud V30 owner! At least, I was until literally yesterday. I went strong with it for well over 6 years! The phone lasted surprisingly well for me. The fingerprint sensor conked out a couple of months ago and that's what finally got me to change.
My first smartphone was the LG Thrill which had a 3D screen that operated just like a Nintendo 3DS. It could take full 3D photos and video, which was the coolest thing ever.
I used to love my G4 until it, too, caught the bootloop of death. The placement of the power and volume were perfect, and the leather back was a really neat vibe. Since then I've had Samsungs, Motorolas, and I'm currently rocking my third Sony, but that LG G4 will always have a special place in my heart.
I still use the g8x with the dual screen display as my daily driver on android 11. It still works flawlessly as the day i bought it 4 years back except for battery degradation due to normal use. Exceptional device and it still feels new. I use all of its features on a daily basis and dont feel the need to upgrade even after looking at all the new 8 elite..d9400 and a18pros. All apps works smoothly and even games on normal settings plays smoothly. I will use this device as long as the battery lasts. Love this phone. Thanks for making this phone LG.❤
Still rocking my 7-yr-old LG V20. For media consumption - especially music playback - it's hard to beat. At least Sony hasn't done away with the 3.5 mm jack and expandable memory.
As others have said, it isnt that people don't want innovation, but that people want functionality.
I would argue that LG (and brands like it) innovated _too_ much. Not that they weren't doing good things, but their continuous changing of how their phones operated led to people not seeing them as reliable due to having wildly different experiences per purchase. Sadly, this led to them falling out of favor of the phones that were a pittle more consistent, and contributed to how poorly things ahve been since, as the loss of lg phones has led to the remaining companies growing too big for their beitches, and removing many of the reliable features that people actually want.
I still got the LG G6 running as a back up phone. Took quite a beating, speakers no longer work, but its still useable
I've switched to LG after owning some flagship iPhones and Samsungs. Had LG G3, G5 and G6. Then switched to Pixels. Sure, LG had its own problems, but I never really looked back to iPhones/Samsungs and loved the innovations and their own approach to doing things.
G3 was thin and really pleasant to hold, with flat screen and curved back panel, had laser autofocus (though it was unpolished and thus slow) and on screen focus indication (kind of painted parts of objects in focus with green, super cool feature), back side buttons (loved these), IR port and block/wake screen by double tap, which was reliable and fast.
G5 had a double camera (the second one was a wide angle) and a curved upper screen side, which were both cool and unusual back then. It also had a camera, HiFi and extra battery modules.
G6 had a display with rounded corners, quality headphone audio, metal body with front/rear glass, while still being sturdy as f due to good construction and mil standards. I still have it, it works and I take it out once in a while to listen to lossless music with my AKGs/Beyers.
Also, LG was much less expensive when bought second hand and was much cheaper to repair. Losing this company and their G/V series was a big loss.