Theme Parks Were Better in the 90s (Part 3)
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2024
- Theme parks were better in the 90s and this time in Part 3, I cover very different subjects from what was covered before. While Las Vegas developed its own brand of family entertainment, New York City, or specifically Times Square, did so in the 90s as well. While many businesses moved in to change the reputation of the area, Disney worked as the single largest catalyst, encouraging many other businesses like Hershey, M&M's, Toys R Us and even McDonald's to build flagship locations in the city. While themed chain restaurants moved in too, New York was also home to many unique themed dining options, including WFF New York, Mars 2112, and the Jekyll and Hyde Club. This video also dives pretty far into retail as well, exploring malls of the 90s and the rise of Mega Malls full of attractions and rides such as the West Edmonton Mall and Mall of America. Finally, I return back to Las Vegas to cover the many attractions I've barely mentioned, including MGM Grand Adventures, the Star Trek Experience and the Grand Slam Canyon (the Adventuredome today).
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Hey, this is a re-upload of the previous Part 3. Weirdly, the old video was taken down by the WWE for the old WWF commercial I briefly showed, illustrating the name change after the lawsuit from the World Wildlife Foundation. I felt that it clearly falls under Fair Use, but it was easier to just modify the video slightly and reupload, rather than going through RUclips's messy counter-claim system that could take up to 30 days to resolve.
For anyone wondering, I'm working on the final Part 4 and while I've gotten a lot of writing done, I was held up with a lot going on, so I haven't been able to get to it as I wanted. I'll still try to get it out as quickly as possible though.
Kinda hilarious given the context of the video... Just like Agario bigger ones will always come for the smaller at the expense of creativity?
Keep up the amazing work this 4? 5? 6...? series are at a documentary level I only see in productions like the ones Defunctland makes. Its always important that despite the "berm" the development of any theme park is and should always reflect the course of culture, economics and geopolitics. I think Disney in the last decade (and what they are accepting now) has prompted a growing disconnect between people and what they consider worthy.
I couldn't believe when I saw that 🤦♂️ It's always for the dumbest reasons. What is this world coming to? My channel is too small to monetize, so idc if they claim my stuff, but blocking sucks 😢
The fury of Vince McMahon knows no limits
It’s wild to me that you got hit with that. Sorry!
@@juani0210 RUclips uses an automatic detection system, but it doesn't take into account how the clips are used. In this case, I believe one of the WWE channels found the video flagged and just took down the video without considering the context that the clip was used in. I think it's more lazy indifference than anything, but it's definitely annoying, especially because it's not worth a legal counter-dispute.
RUclips is getting wild af. No reason for the last video to be blocked at all. Likes given. Always.
You hit the nail on the head with what caused the shift. With MGM removing the Wizard of Oz attraction for more floor space for slots/gaming. The mindset of the 00s and especially since the Great Recession is if it's not making money, don't do it. New rides added at parks don't have the landscaping elements anymore. And it's not just amusement parks that saw this contraction. Pensions and employee benefits start getting pulled back too. New office buildings, especially government ones, become shorter, and less ornate to cut cost. le sigh.
The Star Trek experience was amazing. I miss this attraction more than anything else that has been retired. It may have felt even more immersive than Rise of the Resistance with the Enterprise Bridge being incredibly life-like
Many people have certainly noted that Rise uses a lot of elements already pioneered by STtE. I'm surprised that something like it never came to Orlando
It's wild how all of the 80s/90s malls look exactly alike. The one in my small town has those same palm tree sculptures and pink and white exterior. Same tile inside, same ceiling, everything!
Some could shake it up but yep so many interchangeable
What mall? I came across a wide variety of styles, many of which were stuck in the 70s and 80s and were rarely updated.
@@PoseidonEntertainment A few in Michigan I recall much the same layouts.
@@PoseidonEntertainment The still busy Avenues mall in Jacksonville stood out with the multi-story setup.
Brandon Town Center in Brandon, FL. The palm tree sculptures are outside Macy's. www.google.com/maps/@27.9298227,-82.3257698,3a,75y,318.89h,99.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swq-RKZsIkDkdfbfQEXHZBg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu @@PoseidonEntertainment
I think Disney World peaked between 1990 and 2010. After that, it's all been downhill. We have Mr. Paycheck to thank for that.
As a Minnesotan, I can tell you that MoA is basically the same as it was in the 90's. The theming is just removed. The theme park, aquarium, and comedy club are still here. Some of the theme park attractions actually stuck around just with new theming to mostly late 2000's shows. The only ride that remained completely unchanged was the Paul Bunion water ride. I don't have any idea if there's still a wedding chapel.
Thank you for including the Adventuredome/Grand Slam Canyon and the Wizard of Oz exhibit at the MGM. Growing up in Vegas in the 90s meant that these two (along with the Treasure Island Pirate show) were core memories and experiences for a young boy.
They were our own sort of "Disneylands" and were very very special to myself and other young kids in that era.
At least the Adventuredome is still around. I don't know what it's like today, but the next time I go to Vegas, I'll probably try to go out of my way to get there.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I haven't lived in Vegas for 12 years, but my family still does. I decided to head over and walked through it 3 years ago, and it was quite the surreal experience. I hadn't done that in 25 years.
Overall, it was a super weird experience. It was weirdly empty. And in ways it felt like something from a bygone era as I remeber it was bustling in the 90s! A lot of the mdiway games were unmanned and there seemed to be about 10 workers running the full park. It didn't help that the original water ride, "Rim Runner" (which used to give a nostalgic bromine smell to the park) was replaced by another/lesser/non-water ride.
There were also areas that you could tell were previously used for families and larger parties to sit down and eat a meal, and these too were empty.
The whole park had that "80s empty mall" feel to it, where you KNEW that this used to be something AMAZING, and now it's just barely hanging on.
Please provide an update next time you're there!
I miss the novelty mall stores and themed dining. Even though I was a kid of the 90s I was raised by penny pinchers and never got to really experienced any of these things in there prime saved for one trip to WDW in 1991.
Cuppa coffee and a Poseidon video to start the day. A+ ambiance.
That Mall of America ad was a bop
I’ve been loving this series! I’ve always had such a hyperfixation on this time period, I love the era of over the top themed experiences and shopping malls, such a shame it’s all but diminished these days!
Unrelated topic but I’d love to hear you talk about some more obscure UK Darkrides, I’m a huge fan of Professor Burps Bubble Works and Toyland tours. Both rides with such charm and great stories behind them!
I do have those on an ideas list because a fair number of people have suggested them. However, the last time I looked into them, I went down a rabbit hole and ended up with the Blackpool Pleasure Beach video instead. So, maybe sometime this year is the time to look into them.
I just watched 1 and 2, I thought I had lost my mind because I purposely waited until all three sections were out to start watching.
Love the vids
At least I was able to fix the problem quickly. Still, I'm annoyed that the initial version was taken down.
This video was fantastic!! I absolutely loved hearing you talk about Mars 2112 (my favorite place of all time if that wasn’t clear already lol) I also loved the Jekyll and Hyde segment which was incredibly cool. As someone who used to work at the original Grenwich village location as a scare actor, I always love hearing people talk about the place. I adore hearing people talk about these places since often it feels like most people either don’t care or have just completely forgotten about these awesome restaurants.
Awesome video!!
I briefly experienced Jekyll and Hyde on 6th, though my parents left the restaurant after seeing the prices, but I would have really liked to have seen more. Mars also seemed incredible in the hokiest way possible lol. I wish stuff like this would return
Jekyll and Hyde was such a special place for me (mostly the Avenue of the Americas one, but both really). I had a birthday there, and the whole place really sparked my imagination
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Mars 2112 in Woodfield was SO AWESOME AS A KID🔥
Was easily my favorite restaurant in the mall, but my parents always complained about how expensive it was for meteoker food.
I didn’t care, the popcorn chicken they had was all a kid needed with that awesome theming. Really felt like an escape from the world
I think the palm trees outside the Macys building were holdovers from Burdines, which was a Florida-based department store that used palm trees in its branding. Still a cool feature.
As an Albertan, when mall discussion was happening, I was half expecting West Edmonton Mall to be overlooked. I'm very happy it's history wasn't forgotten in this video. The West Edmonton Mall definitely is where my nostalgia for the 90s vibe/aesthetic comes from.
Growing up in Orlando I remember when that mall was built and always packed. It's sad to see these things decay. Another great video as always, thank you for this series
I've been in Orlando for 5 years, so I didn't know about it until I started researching the video. It was interesting to walk through it in its abandoned state though. It looked like it would have been fun when it was popular.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I lived 10 min from Seminole towne center for over 10 years before moving to Orlando and it surprised me to see it included. It used to be pretty popular as @sexybutterfly4ever said. Honestly I think it only exists still bc it’s visible from I-4
I used to work at that Macy's!
If you’re ever in Chicago, check out the reopened Ed Debevic’s to relive the 90s themed restaurant glory days!
I've flown into O'Hare, but haven't actually been in the city itself. I would definitely like to do that one day though.
I know I’m late to comment on this video, but I think some major themed attractions that haven’t shown up in the videos yet are Mini-Golf courses. I distinctly remember the Dragon’s Lair mini golf at Myrtle Beach when I was younger. It had a whole animatronic dragon that popped out every so often to blow fire. Also, one that is still standing to my knowledge is Professor Hacker’s mini golf, which has an element of taking a mine train from the entrance to the first hole. It’s not much, but it adds a little something extra to the experience of mini-golf of all things.
Finally, I think the Magi Quest chain of experiences are the peak of 90’s fantasy themed entertainment. Though few survive, and most in Great Wolf Lodge locations, going to a Magi Quest location and getting immersed in the story and atmosphere was incredible
Sorry to hear the first video was taken down; but this part 3 is still excellent!!! As I stated the first time I miss the 90's theming it is almost as if kids were put at the top of the importance scale when it came to everything. Without Disneyland and/or WDW our theme parks of today would not have had a standard to measure up to in terms of theming. In addition to everything from TV commercials, movie theaters, theme parks, shopping malls, restaurants, fast food, even SEARS and so on; they all had a way of entertaining kids with themes, colors, electronics, toys, etc. While there are some things I would take back; maybe it is nostalgia and/or some of it is just genuine loss but overall I think we are better off today.
I grew up shopping at Katy Mills Mall, Worked there at the payless in 2016-17 before they closed all Payless stores, and during this time the mall was sold and renovated by the simon corp. before, each entrance and graphics was themed around different activities these characters in the shape of stars were doing. One entrance had large kite statues at the outside parking entrance and when you walked inside the star characters above were flying kites. (I can still hear the "welcome, You are at entrance #" voice) The mall is mostly grey and white tiles now and they've removed the majority of the old theming. But most of the mall still has that brown and yellow wood flooring.
That's unfortunate to hear that the renovation took out a lot of its character. I'm really getting fed up with de-theming/de-colorizing everything, which is why I made this video I guess lol
90s malls and 90s epcot/Disney definitely resonated
Now this is more to my liking! I miss the old mall aesthetics of the 90s
I serendipitously came home from Knott's Berry Farm the night of the original upload, so I'm reposting my comment for the immense nostalgia!
I'm originally from Minnesota, so I grew up with the Mall of America, and it was such a special place. I didn't visit (and get a pass to) Knott's Berry Farm until August 2023, but when I visited Camp Snoopy there, I was flooded with nostalgia despite never having visited before. It was astonishing just how much Knott's carried over to Minnesota-the pavement, fencing, lighting, the clock, and a lot of the rides were ported over from Knott's (both within Camp Snoopy and other areas, i.e., Tampico Tumbler and Grand Slammer from Fiesta Village were called Treetop Tumbler and Screaming Yellow Eagle within Mall of America’s Camp Snoopy).
I would say the Mall of America had a more 'Northwoods' theme, which I guess makes more sense if you're from that region, versus the overt western theme of Knott's Berry Farm. A lot of this carried over from Paul Bunyan's Log Chute (a spiritual successor to Timber Mountain Log Ride) with the more pine trees and Minnesota-authentic rockwork because shoreline cliffs are mostly gray there, etc. This ride luckily has mostly remained untouched to this day within “Nickelodeon Universe”. I think they might even still have the Knott’s-brand syrup in the kitchen scene on the lift hill (where the townsfolk are making giant pancakes for Paul, who appears right after the first drop in the cavern).
Mergers & acquisitions really do destroy great experiences and history unfortunately! Common theme of this series is terrific craftsmanship and place-making for sterile minimalism and standardization😔
I don't know what I originally replied with (or if I managed to reply at all), but I do think there's a lot of value in reposting what you put up initially. Part of why I like to make videos is to see people's opinions or experiences and I always enjoy reading them
@@PoseidonEntertainment Your channel and this series are fantastic. This is the first time it has really hit so close to home since Knott's Camp Snoopy was like my Disneyland. I think this series shows that the designers in this period really got it right the first time, and a lot of these experiences over time were chipped away and diminished, mostly due to prioritizing profits. I was laid off this year from Disney, and I believe my mindset on quality and guest experience had something to do with it, unfortunately. It just isn't a priority anymore.
I’m from Louisiana and in April ‘01 took a jr high field trip to NYC for Beta Club. I remember going to Virgin MegaStore and the Space/Alien themed restaurant among other typical tourist spots. I never thought I’d see the Alien restaurant again. While watching this video I never imaged I’d see it. I remember watching theme park and roller coaster shows on travel channel with my dad as kid in 90s and 2000s. Your videos remind me of those shows and takes me back. Thank you for all the work that goes into these uploads ❤️
SANDFORD (and son) MALL!!! I loved how the parking lot was dimly lit and shaddy, yet they had a missing person poster on the door. Feeling real safe!!!
I was not expecting that shout out to St. Louis Mills. I visited there a couple of times as a kid when my Moms favorite Nascar driver had meet and greets. Its worth noting that it's also home to the practice rink of the St. Louis blues (which is probably the only reason it hasnt been completely abandoned, the location was crazy far out.)
Watching again and eagerly awaiting the next one! Because I’m still mad I never got a chance to eat at some of the Chicago versions of the themed NYC restaurants in the 90s. We had them too, along with DisneyQuest. Ed Debevic’s was my favorite and similar to the Stardust, and when it left they said it was coming back. Most never do, but they DID come back to Chicago recently. I have not gone but plan to this year.
That Florida mall reminds me a lot of the old Landmark Mall in Alexandria, VA. They shot the opening sequence of Wonder Woman 1984 there because the mall was completely lost in time.
We still have an untouched 80s/90s mall where I live and even though it’s pretty much dead, I’m still so happy that I can just go in there and live a little of my earliest childhood memories again. 😊
Always love your vids!! They’re well researched and composed, I love relistening to these at work
I love your videos! Was thinking of rewatching through this series already 😂
Geez that Cesar dinner looks amazing
Also, I loved that Star Trek Experience when I was younger. I took my wife there when we got married in Vegas and she enjoyed it too.
I do wonder how the actual magicians were though. For all the impressive theming, the actual performances appeared a bit silly in how small scale they were.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Maybe so, but I don't know if I would mind because the theming looks so immersive
When I was little my dad would take me into work with him in NYC once or twice a year. I vividly remember being way too young to go into Jekel & Hyde, and was scared so witless I couldn't even eat.
Another adventure was when he brought the whole family to the MARS restaurant shortly after it opened, and being a '90s space kid I absolutely adored it.
I know Ninja NY closed during the pandemic, but I was lucky enough to go a few times with friends after seeing the original in a SoloTravelBlog video years ago.
How was the food at Ninja? It looked creative in their promotional material, but nothing seemed to remotely resemble Japanese food
@@PoseidonEntertainment It certainly wasn't bad, you could just get better or more authentic Japanese food in the city for the price. You're really paying for the ninja village atmosphere and food presentation, like fire-breathing dragon rolls or misty "poisons" they make at the table. With that said, there is a Ninja restaurant in Japan that does a lot of the same food.
omfg there's a part four? Keeping me sane during my work day 🙏
I’ve loved this series! And so happy you spoke about west Edmonton mall
Obligatory comment for the algo. Looking forward to part 4!
I guess I can watch this again, looking forward to part 4!
happy near year poseidon! looking forward to another year of great informative videos. you are the best at what you do!!!
Thanks for the explanation about the re-upload
Being born in SoCal in the early 80’s I LOVED this series! I remember all of the Vegas stuff happening from Excalibur to the Ceaser Statues to the Arrow at CC. Thanks for the effort, CHEERS!
Booster set to max output Capn Poseidon, sir! We're givin her all we've got!
love this series. hits home hard
This was an incredible series done very well. Brought back so many memories. Keep up the fantastic work on this channel.
Food...
Water...
Atmosphere!
30:33 now i’m screaming crying throwing up for a completely different reason I WAS 7 BUT I REMEMBER SITTING ON MY MOMS BED WATCHING THE NEWS THE MORNING WE LOST CAMP SNOOPY i have NEVER recovered from that heartbreak
Always an enjoyable video and I love the descriptive narrative.
As always love the content!
Omg my family went to that space restaurant when we went to New York and I was starting to feel like it was a fever dream
Yeah, I've got enough time to watch this fantastic video again
My husband made me do the Star Trek experience in mid 2000s, I wasn’t interested (it wasn’t cool to like Star Trek then, even though I did), it was soooo well done, I loved it.
SHOUT out to the West Edmonton Mall coverage. It's great to get some Canadian coverage of what was, at the time, a shot at first rate Mall culture, rather than a pale imitation of something greator (usually from our cousin's down south). The West Ed is my hometown mall, and it has let slide most of the themeing elements over the years to the point I had forgotten the Bourbon Street & New Orlean's theme it tried to undertake. The coaster just finially shut down over covid, the dolphin attractions are still there I think, but the other water feature, the 20,000 Leagues under the sea submarines are long shut down & removed. Getting rid of the dark humor that the West Ed Mall had more submarines in better functional order than the entire Royal Canadian Navy.
Poseidon Entertainment videos are always great, to see my home town mall back in it's glory days, was, well, nostelgic but overlayed with enui. Well done Poseidon!
I wish that they would have continued maintaining the mall as it was. With anything themed, it often feels like a lot of money goes into something initially and then it's just left to slowly fall apart or close. It would have been cool to experience the mall in its heyday
I actually ate at Mars 2112 as a kid!! My sisters hated it there lol
Your videos are awesome
Heck, I'm happy to watch it again!
I grew up going to the Seminole town center mall in the 90s early 2000s. I haven’t been there in over 15 years does it really still look the same!? I love that
Yay! Part three of this, plus a new CJ the X video. Today is a good day.
Watching this series makes me wish I was a kid, or a teenager in the 90s.
Thank you for your videos
Restaurant at great mall called taxi. 90s nostalgia all the way and nobody remembers it 😢
i so want these things back like why cant we have these great themed parks malls and restaurants
There was a part 3!😮
I miss my local mall’s Disney store 🥺
so many cool shows that will be forgotten with time!
I'll watch this again and leave another like!
28:59 me, a true minnesotan screaming crying throwing up watching the videos of the log chute 🥲
like to the builders of that ride, i can’t speak for every minnesotan but just know ✨I✨ appreciate every single ride i’ve taken on the log chute and it means EVERYTHING to me
love the content as always, appreciate the hard work wish it was more recognized for your sake. I do have a question about this series is part 4 or subsequent parts going to feature the theme park landscape in the 90s which was MUCH more different at Disney then even the 2000s very special time even for Universal
God that song. I was singing it going to MOA on Saturday. Place was absolutely packed, alive and well. It's not as good as it was. Camp Snoopy is 🐐. Those trees are not fake. And the log chute is still there.
I'll watch it again for ya!
I went to Mall of America for the first time last week. It's just... a very large mall that happens to have a Nickelodeon theme park in the middle and an aquarium.
Have you ever heard of the Mystery Fun House in Orlando? If not, you would probably find it entertaining to research.
I was wondering if you were going to bring up the WWF location in Times Square. I did go to it during the peak of the Attitude era. Like you said, I don't remember the food being great but as a huge fan, that place was awesome. Also remember ESPN Zone and the Virgin Records store. Times Square is really dull now that most of everything is gone. I've watched videos of it recently and it's nowhere near the same. Also think a lot of themed stores and dining can be pointed towards FAO Schwartz. There were tons of locations but the most memorable next to NYC was the one that used to be on International Drive. Had a huge Star Wars room. Planet Hollywood is one of the last types of these themed restaurants still in existence and I think a lot have closed.
I am here n the new yr n happy new yr to this channel n to others. God bless all. I am kids.
#DisneyDiva ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
this dude is the best. quality over quantity 🙌
This BETTER have STAR TREK: The Experience in it!!!
*yeets a comment to help cause they love this series*
Rewatching for the algorithm!!! 🙏
Ed Debevics was a fun themed restaurant in NY and LA you missed :(
Best themed restaurant ever was Mars2112 in the Times Square area
man sucks 2 hear it got taken down. This series was so good
Well, at the very least, the problem is fixed (for now?)
Sorry to hear about the first version! Commenting again for the algorithm 😊
I've been to that mall in the intro clip
Commenting for the algorithm 📈😤
Will there be a part 4?
edmonton mentioned!!!
Leaving a comment to help boost. Already watched this tho
that star trek thing, its just like the disney attraction
will part 4 include spectromagic?
Sucks it was blocked. Here’s another watch and like!
I will be forever upset I can never see the Caesar’s Palace experience
well rewatching the whole thing for viewing time metrics
I think MGM leave the theme of Oz and others in the hotel at 96, because it's the same year when Warner Bros/Turner bought many rights and IP of MGM.
dude i’m so sorry this got messed up on first upload!
Did you have a video on the kristos scandal at Epcot? I can’t find it and i vividly remember learning that from somewhere.
I had no idea what that was, so I looked it up. It seems bizarre, but I have a list of weird, obscure and forgotten WDW shows for an eventual video, so now that you've mentioned it, it'll probably show up.
I swear I saw part 3 already?
yeah this looks to be a reupload?
If you watched the first 20 seconds of the video you'd have heard him state that exact thing
Was saving it for later. But now I won't bother.@@jeffs1571
@@jeffs1571 yeah, my bad
Ohhh this is a reupload. I was so confused lol
Did you know one of reasons that most of these family attractions in Las Vegas failed was primarily gamblers didn’t want to play near children and stayed away from those casinos.
Children weren't allowed in casinos though?
The concept of the space/mars themed restaurant discussed in the video seems like it was ripped off or replicated somewhat recently by Disney for their Space 220 restaurant (mostly the "space transport" to the restaurant element) and a bit of the Galactic Starcruiser (the presentation of the food and the live alien actors engaging with guests)
🕯️🕯️🕯️ may the algorithm bless this video 🕯️🕯️🕯️