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The REAL Truth About LSOs
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A conversation with all-star paddles Kevin "Hozer" Miller about where landing signal officers come from, how they train, and what they learn during an aircraft carrier deployment after debriefing hundreds of type-A carrier pilots about their landing performance.
Ward…. And Hozer! Omg I was so incredibly humbled to hear that Hozer thought highly of me back in his advanced jet days at VT-7. Coming from a guy like Hozer, that absolutely floored me. I am so glad I was able to have an impact in his life that way. Wow…. Personally, I went on to serve as Cag Paddles onboard USS Carl Vinson, and I hung on every word Hozer had to say about that experience. For me, it was incredible WestPac pitching decks, Bering Sea high winds and blinding snow, and later on back on the East coast as dept head on Theodore Roosevelt, I was right there enjoying those North Atlantic rollercoaster rides too. What memories all of that stuff brought back. Thank you BOTH for an amazingly good discussion. Again thanks so much for the honor of you mentioning this old tired LSO on your channel. Tremendously humbling. All the best! Peebs
You never forget your LSO! Thanks for teaching us, Peebs. You did make an impression.
Not only with this LSO episode but with most of these uploads I find it fascinating as a dutch normal average civilian with no military background to read the comments of retired or still serving US navy/ army/ air force/ marines and even the occasional coast guard men and women. Dealing with such daily responsibilities and dedication on a aircraft carrier is for sure inspirational for young people willing to become the best person they can be.
Mooch, This interview with "Hoser" is excellent. Answers a lot of questions I've always had. He explains the complexities of coming aboard the carrier with high performance A/C. I worked on F9F5's (Panthers) and FJ4B A/C 1957- 1959 in VMA 223. (The Battling Bull Dogs) I witnessed a lot of A/C accidents. I became a commercial pilot in the 60's and the rest is history. Semper Fi.
My two rules to waving probably passed down to me from the myriad of awesome paddles I had the priviledge to wave with:
1. Tie goes to the runner = if it was a tweener pass it was the higher grade of the two.
2. Grade the correction and not the mistake (unless it was truely a gross error). My favorite debrief was "Low start, nice correction, OK pass"
Waving was awesome. It was the clique within a clique. You knew every pilot in the airwing and most of the NFO's.
-Just to add a couple of things to the very well done video. There were usually 3 LSO's, or at a minimum 2 on the headset. 1 controlling LSO who would grade the pass and mostly concentrate on glide slope, a backup LSO who was often more senior than the controlling LSO and devided his/her time between glideslope and lineup (they had the PLAT in front of them on the platform so they could see the camera down the angle and tell if the jet was on centerline as it constanly moved away and to the right due to the angled deck), and the CAG LSO who was in charge of the whole operation.
-When waving you had to use more than just your eyes and what you were seeing. You could tell far more and be ahead of the pilot by listening to the spool of the engines which would tell you not where the airplane was but where it would be based on the power input the pilot made.
-When I was a sqaudron LSO in the FDNF we did MOVLAS at least twice a day (one day and one night recovery) and all of us, not just the CAG LSO's did it. 4 months into a 6 month cruise and you'd be pretty good at it. We'd play what we called MOVLAS baseball and the peanut gallery would call out what wire to put the next plane on. Good times.
Fascinating Stuff👍
Seconding what he said. Thanks for the informative post. I'm wondering one thing (same as about the video), being that everyone's scores are tracked, wouldn't putting them on a different wire with the MOVLAS impact that?
I remember a stormy nasty night in the Med doing ops, our Maint. Officer was flying the the last event of the night and wound up boltering 3 times before getting aboard in one of our 3 flyable Prowlers. This was at the end of a LONG flight day, 10 events, and our troubleshooter crew was really tired and wet up on the deck. We were up there cheering him on like in a football game to get this bird back aboard. When he climbed out out of that cockpit he was as drenched as we were, in his own sweat. This is truly the Varsity out there. And this was during peacetime, 81-82 time frame on the JFK. The bird came back with no down gripes.
Your lucky...when two or three years before we lost Prowlers like napkins on a dinner table....cause they'd lose generators and APU's no need to worry about bolstering when they disappear in a storm... Then on the Indy we had VA176
Funny Non-Com story from a former AZ2. I was deployed on IKE, CVN-69 with VA-46 and was serving as an Ops Yeoman for our pilots at the time. I would sit in the ready room with the headset on, recording the landings of our pilots, wire, bolter, t&go, etc.. One night, I wrote on the chalkboard, "When I grow up, I want to be the guy the says, ROGER BALL." The next day, LT. Tim Kennedy, a fantastic officer and pilot, took me up to the LSO platform and let me observe the recovery operations, explaining along the way. It was big moment for a 19-20 year old kid and I gained a greater appreciation for the Navy Pilot. BRAVO ZULU!
Great video, thank you Hozer and Ward. The best LSO were also teachers, not just debriefers. Well done.
This was so enlightening .....really gets down to the nitty gritty of what the LSO does, alot more than just talking and pushing buttons.....Again, thanks Mooch and Hozer for letting us groundlings in on your experiences.....Cheers, PB
These guy's had some of the glory but not all of it...some of us ground pilots.. aviators to you ground magnets...knew and had some of it too... like rolling down the deck cause one of these guy's took the wrong turn cause their landing nose gear just went bad...and the gear went spinning in circles... that's the fun of it.. especially in foul deck weather waves over the bow at the same time.... and all lights dark 30... even added fun... I loved the flight deck duty at night...was the best ops period...and LSO's had a blast with roundup...
ypaulbrown. My thoughts exactly.
Ward, I really enjoy your RUclips videos. My son, currently a pilot in 102, bought me Punk’s War and I now have the two follow on books to read. Keep up the great work!
Ward- all this shit is fascinating, further cementing how HARD it is to be a member of the Navy fighter community: the standards, the grading process....which NEVER ends. I've followed military fighter aviation for decades....and NEVER heard the insights offered from a LSO. Or offered from ANY other content creator. #Kudos
Not everyone is afforded that option benji. Some of us had the scores and the desire and drive to join but a single medical condition kept us out of the Naval picture. To no fault of our own. It was a very hard pill to swallow.
Mooch, I've noticed that a lot of folks in the brownshoe world call the carrier "the boat". To a retired Chief blackshoe surface snipe this goes against all I've ever been taught regarding vessel identification. "Ya puts boats on ships unless referring to a submarine".
EMC(SW) USN(ret.) Marty Palmiere
Very interesting to know what an LSO responsibility for helping pilots safe landing on a boat. I am proud Dad of my son selected as LSO to his squadron lately.
Hozer's bio intro reminded me of a convo a Navy buddy (ex F-14 RIO) & I had about 13 years ago:
"Dude, you know you're getting old when your jet is now on a stick in front of the gate at the base."
Keep up the great work, Ward - enjoy the memories very much.
😅 All weather Friend Iso
Should point out that every pass at the ship is recorded via the PLAT. Any significant disagreement between pilot and LSO can be resolved by going to the replay. In my experience, the LSO is virtually always right. They also replay the PLAT tapes after recovery and pilots always watch their pass after recovery.
If I remember that all the Air OPS Launches and recoveries were shown on the ships TV system and everyone in the whole crew could see them
@@davidschwartz5127 Da. Normal routine is to loop the previous recovery until next launch starts. Launch and recovery normally covered live.
@@davidschwartz5127 Absolutely. There was a dedicated channel just for watching launches and recoveries. Not that I needed the TV to see what was launching on the starboard forward cat... my office was on the O3 level right below the starboard JBD... I could tell what was launching just by the sound lol!
My brother flew F4U’s and was a “ Paddles” during WWII (Pacific Theater). Watching wing camera/landings was intense for a 5 year old. He used arms/paddles/feet and body bringing his mates aboard - lots of movement - fascinating. - I inhaled deeply and was hooked for life ! Still flying and loving every minute. - - . Do a session on WW II paddles -
Yes Pease do that!
I may be retired and on a fixed income but it didn't take many YT views for me to conclude your channel was worth supporting on Patreon.
Nice. I particularly enjoy the assessment part, how to polish up skills without recklessly destroying pilot careers by needlessly humiliating people. I wish that mentality was used in a lot of other high stress professional careers.
Ours was a culture of continuous improvement, with constructive criticism (every day!) delivered the proper way. Concur, many professions could benefit from it.
@@kevinmiller5780 Thanks, Kevin, for your professionalism.and service to our nation!
Hear,Hear!!!
Mooch needs to visit a carrier. People have done it before, and it'd make a great video!
I enjoy your channel very much. As an AO, working the flight deck, I was aware of what was happening on the flight deck as far as loading, preparing an aircraft for launch and passing it off to the next station toward launch, as well as recovering and securing the aircraft. These videos allow me to complete my understanding of what we all were working together on as a team and understanding what the aviators were dealing with in addition to all of the other actors on the flight deck. It's amazing how everyone's training allows each piece of the puzzle, that makes up a squadron, as well as ship's company, to automatically come together for safe launch and recoveries with very few emergencies or injuries in a world where the odds were always stacked against us. Speaks volumes to the quality of the individuals and the training that each receives! AO VF-11 Red Rippers, USS Forrestal CV-59 1991
One of my jobs on the DD & FFG I served on was calibrating / maintaining / repairing the flight deck landing systems, including the Fresnel Lens & Wave-Off systems. Many a stormy night, when there was zero visibility and the ship was rockin’ & rollin’, I had several pilots thank me for helping land those pigs. Good stuff for a young sailor to hear.
Interesting stuff! I served as an LSO spotter with V-5 aboard the Vinson and loved being out there with those guys.
Lop yeah I bet. Nobody is just an LSO lol ALL LSOs are also pilots.
He "leaf blowered" the flight deck. Felt bad for that pilot, but that comment and vid was priceless.
It must be said that your channel demonstrates the intellectualism of US naval aviation and even US naval service. Pretty damned impressive; thanks so much for this.
Really intersting insight into the role of an LSO! Didn't know they'd get pilots to deliberately trap a 2 wire for fun, i'm using that as an excuse for all my 2 wires in the DCS F14!
Number 2 wire: The professionals preference!
Sometimes i'll have the LSO role in DCS in VR with my squadron, i guess i found something to play with 😁
DCSs F14s look pretty fun
Wow!!! You play DCS. You can like be the real thing and even an instructor at top gun lol
I always loved the sound of the S3's coming in. Sounds like a vacuum cleaner. We called them Hoovers.
We called them the same thing, cause. that's what they sounded like.
I was on that Norway deployment. Never will forget how they completely missed the timing of that C-2 COD day launch off cat4. We had been on hold for hours and thought surely they’d call it a day as the deck was pitching as bad as I’d seen since we arrived there. Must’ve been critical cargo combined with human error, as suddenly the signal was given, and the plane was launched shortly at the exact wrong time- deck pitching and aircraft vanishing downward into a wave breaking over the ramp. Had time to think about it and ride another full wave cycle before seeing the plane slowly climb above the deck out of the mist. A few other close calls but that was another level. Wonder what story the crew had to tell at debrief…
I knew Hozer in the Corsair community. I flew A-7E’s on my first tour and qualified as a squadron LSO aboard the Saratoga (CV-60). After returning to Cecil we transitioned to the Hornet and during my post F-18 RAG transition I got to run up to Oceana and cross train on the F-14 Tomcat. I thoroughly enjoyed my LSO days and went back to the Hornet RAG as an instructor running the carrier qual as the PhaseHead. My only FA-18 burner waveoff was a student going through the RAG. I had orders to the IKE as the CAG LSO but turned them down to pursue the civilian aviation career. My LSO days gave me the experience I needed to be a good bush pilot flying into some crazy locations throughout Alaska. Landing a 737 on a 3800’ runway in Dutch Harbor, Alaska made me appreciate those Navy landings!!
I love how you show all the moving parts of a carrier operation 👍👍
Love the episodes with Hozer 😊
My dad (grumpy)retired in 67 and I still have his paddles from his log books it looks like he flew alot of planes starting with the Stearman
Great discussion about the LSO world!
During one deployment, to break up the monotony, my Crash guys and I use to hold up cards 1-4 showing the pilot what wire they caught and a line of thumbs up or down if we liked/disliked the pass... During MOVLAS we just showed the wire card. Stay safe, heads on a swivel.
Ha thats pretty funny! But we could usually tell what wire it was by how far you rolled out down the LA...
@@mattshane8409 Lots of pilots were still look over their shoulder while taxiing into the Yoke.
@@snapjamwoodworks710 If I looked up and my director was way out in front of me I knew that was gonna be a bad debrief aka 1 wire. I like the thumbs up or down... I'd be bummed to get a thumbs down. That might be worse than the LSO debrief :)
What an amazing fraternity of men to belong to. No shortage of witty, intelligent gentlemen with a positive attitude. I envy you guys as I thoroughly enjoy the interplay between you all.
Great stuff! I was on the Kennedy from 84-89 as part of ship’s company! Some of the best years of my life. Thanks for this look behind the curtain
"I'd take the book", a sign of a great leader. Well done!
Good discussion, its hard for me to believe my flew off the Enterprise on F6F at night in WW2. Highest respect for all of you and your service.
I missed ‘visual aids’ today. I worked for Newport News Shipbuilding and was shift supervisor for reactor test so i got to ride a bunch sea trials and carrier acceptance trials by the navy. A highlight was a demonstration of the auto throttle with an A-6. I was stationed on the LSO platform as the A-6 flew the groove and waved off. Memorable to say the least.
I also was impressed with a man overboard situation. I was in central control watching a helo get its rotors folded when man overboard was called. I swear i looked around the room and 2 minutes later that helo was getting airborne. It impressed the hell out of me. What was equally impressive was how fast the ship accounted for the entire crew. I was embarrassed to say they had to make announcements over the 1MC looking for shipyard workers to report in over an hour later.
Mooch, how about an episode on survival?
You knew it was going to be a fun night getting aboard when you switch to the final controller and the first thing you hear is the pitching deck calls along with a screaming burner waveoff call. Thanks to all the LSOs that kept me off the ramp!
Really enjoyed this interview (as ever). The ready-room LSO debriefs put such a different cast on ops than what we did in the Air Force. I never fancied the Navy lifestyle of long deployments at sea, but I really admire and like a lot of what I've learned from you over the past few years about the Navy ways of doing things. Big respect.
What a flashback. Spent many a day and night standing the duty corpsman watch at OLF Whitehouse (79-81) We had a Dodge Power Wagon 4x4 "Crackerbox" ambulance that you would check out from Cecil Field Clinic to support FCLP at Whitehouse. Most Corpsmen would stay down in the Crash Shack with the CFR crew, but I always enjoyed spending my time in the tower listening to the LSO out on the runway critiquing the A-7 & S-3 pilots. CDR, another great subject / video, about ops around the boat. OK-3 is my grade. Keep'em coming.
Ward is up there with Blanco Lirio for great aviation content (especially his take on military matters.)
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I was 12 years old when Top Gun came out, and since then I've always had an interest in naval aviation and carrier ops. This channel is outstanding! Thank You!
Wow what great stories Hozer is one hell of a Man thank you for your excellent service we need school teachers like Hozer and Ward
My dad was a LTCDR on the Lexington in Pensacola. We used to go on tiger cruises. I can remember the smell of the grease. Everything was either claustrophobic or overwhelmingly immense. It's a bizarre and extreme environment to witness as a kid. I can't imagine living on it. Let alone landing an airplane on it.
love the bit about the Superbug driver 'leaf blower"-ing the flight deck. aviators come up with the best expressions
Mooch and Hoser,
Nice work, gents!
All the best, Benz
My dad was the LSO on the Midway CVA 41 during ‘59-‘63. Pacific deployment. Kobe was a port he used to recall fondly. Did 4 years as Lt. before Dental then Ortho at University of Illinois. I was born at Norfolk General while he was at sea. His granddaughter just graduated as XO from the Academy. Nuclear engineering with Naval Architecture. She’s teaching now at Annapolis before going to Submarine school in December. The Admiral of the Sub fleet himself interviewed and accepted her personally.
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So he was an LSO but not a pilot? Lmao LOS are pilots lol u lie bad
Timestamp 24:50 his face transforms as if he is actually back on a carrier operating the MOVLAS speaking to a pilot. Fascinating.
Damn Ward, I'm impressed with your boundless enthusiasm for gleaning every drop of pertinent information out of this fella. Your command of the English language is really very good.
The late John Mitchell, was my neighbor and a former skipper of JFK. His licenses plate was OK 3 and mine is ACLS. He was an Academy graduate and Naval aviator from the early 1950's. Miss talking aviation with him.
Some great insights on what it is to be a LSO. And as always Ward does a great job of highlighting the human dynamics and relationships. I was fascinated with the discussion about the group landing debriefings, how the CAG LSO has to handle potential conflicts such as taking over for a junior LSO in the face of potential blowback from a senior pilot. And of course the tight relationship between the RIO and the pilot that once again demonstrates why there is such a string esprit de corps in the Tomcat community.
Slick Vasina is a legend and one of the BEST officers I’ve ever served with. A great human being.
Fascinating listening to these guys, I was a radar tech in the RAF mostly on Tornado back in the 80s and I miss this 'guy talk' great channel.
Class of ‘82? My first tour ended in ‘83 after two trips to Top Gun, WTI, and Red Flag. All with the Phantom (red helmet)
Educational, I often wondered how the L.S.O. was trained. I would have guessed they where old salts with more than a handful of cruises.
I remember 1st night of work ups on the America April 81, we had an A7 ramp strike. AC came to rest into the lens. Can only imagine all those LSOs diving into that net below. At least for a pilot, I always felt LSOs held the most responsibility together with the Air Boss.
Great video topic. Thanks Mooch!! Thanks Hozer!
Behind every live Naval Aviator are LSOs that saved his life more than once.
Another interesting episode! On one cruise, mid 70s in CV-64, I was assigned as the post flight maintenance debriefer for the A-6 squadron. I shared a little cubby hole of an office with the squadron AK (supply) located across the passageway from Maintenance Control. So, I would be debriefing the air crew when the LSOs arrived to pass on their words of wisdom. Hoser’s description of the de-brief was exactly what I saw. One outlier was LCDR pilot who had transitioned from P-3s to A-6s. I liked him personally, but he did not like LSOs. He never got dangerous grades, but he also never got a lot of OK-3s either. To me his grades seemed to go down hill after he started calling the LSOs ass holes and SOBs.
Yep, that'll do it.
Very informative interview. I concur with an earlier post: please visit a carrier. Would be a great series to see carrier op's from an aviator's perspective!
I agree.
He used to tell me about the double Golden Knights ( 100 + night landings ). That they were the most bad ass , cream of the crop , and fearless guys on the Carrier. Incidentally, he was also a courier and in charge of the 5” guns on the starboard side. We miss you dad. ❤️
Even just in DCS landing on the boat using real life procedures and standards for case 1 - 3 is pretty daunting. When you add in some one acting as paddles and it becomes next level knowing you're being graded.
Much respect for those few that have done it for real.
Wow!!! You play DCS. You can like be the real thing and even an instructor at top gun lol
@@nexpro6118 hey numb nuts.....notice the first word in the paragraph is the word even. Meaning it's not close to being the same. It's a statement talking about how hard real life carrier ops are.
Stuff keeps getting better! Interesting insight in LSO stuff!!
Extremely interesting as usual. Thank you very much to both of you.
15:45 "If you really have to deliver a message, then you have to deliver a message...and then we would leave." That has to be the most badass Mob/Soprano attitude by a Navy pilot/LSO. LOL
That’s how we fire people as well - bring the bad news, no sugarcoating, no discussion. It’s just like that.
My first tour as an E-2C NFO the squadron had what they called a "Lucky Mole" board where they tracked each pilot's landing against which NFOs were in the aircraft. I found this distasteful immediately, landing grades are a pilot thing. I think they meant well, so that NFOs would care about the process, but during landing E-2 NFOs can do nothing to help. I appreciate that RIOs could have an effect on the landing and I appreciate that you still sat back during the debrief.
I grew up in west Jax and seen all types of military aircraft flying around. I love war planes and even seen the Blue Angels at Cecil feild.
I was on the Teamwork 92 deployment onboard USS Guadalcanal LPH7. Roughest, coldest seas I ever sailed in. North Atlantic is definitely no joke. We definitely earned our Blue Nose
Another great topic and video. Interesting longform content. Thank you guys.
I went in board the the USS Lexington. At the LSO station I note with amusement the faux Latin motto painted on it "Rectum Non Bustus". Basically it means "Do not bust your ass" 😂😂😂
Or in white "Add power if you can read this" in the round down 😁
I'm not a naval aviator (dad and brother were). But I'm a pilot and own my own airplane. Open and honest discussions about landing is so critical for defining a trained pilot, whether on a safe runway firmly concreted into the ground or a pitching deck.
I reprise in my mind my approaches and landings for days or weeks after every one. What was not nominal? Why? How do I learn from it and correct the next one?
I loved every second of Mooch's and Hozer's reminiscing about the human and technical skills needed to land a jet on the boat.
Awesome to see two great authors and aviators together again. I've read Kevin's trilogy twice, and have the 2nd punk book on the way to me in the mail right now! Can't wait to finish reading the Punk trilogy.
Fascinating episode. Thanks Mooch and Hoser. I've seen LSOs operating before, but this gave great insights into the importance and skill of this role.
As a Gear Dog on the Coral Sea and Theodore Roosevelt , we would take turns on the platform. I knew Spooge , Tuna ,Guads and Bird. Also BJ Dwyer who we lost during Desert Storm.
Great Americans, those.
Great episode. What a calm, thoughtful guest. I guess that’s exactly what you’d want in a LSO
We love Hozer also because he has respect for all especially like us the DCS f18 naval pilot comunity !! Thanks very “Much”
I worked in CATCC , final controller on Ike, 84-86. Providing precision radar calls to aircraft prior to LSO taking control at 3/4 mile. I will say the LSO were the calm voices that all pilots wanted to hear. It’s a community that is stronger than steel.
That was very interesting to hear two aviation professionals talk about their experiences. My experiences as a lieutenant and captain in the Army were not that professional. Field grade officers seemed to take extreme pride in punishing / embarrassing a junior officer rather than serving as a mentor. Maybe, that was my own experience, but it drove me out of the Army. Since then I've worked with many retired senior Navy and Air Force personnel in the private sector and there appears to me at least to be a much higher degree of professionalism in both the Navy and the Air Force from what I experienced many many years ago.
John: Were you in the IOBC class that started in Feb 1980? If so, we were in the same class, and I've still got the EIB you bestowed on me.
Well stated, sir. Retiring as an AF/ANG E-8, I've appreciated meeting & working with vets from any service; whether enlisted or commissioned, one hitch or retired career, there is that unspoken nod of understanding & ease in communicating -- we've all made it through the BS, gained priceless experience, maturity and likely some excellent skills & confidence in our specialties. That (loudest and most distracting) small percentage of
"leaders" in positions of authority/command, with truly malicious characters, do incredible, long-term damage to the otherwise great spirit and huge potential of the men & women around them. I never set-up my trainees or co-workers to purposely fail, or put up with that (sometimes vicious) unprofessional crap of humiliating anybody as entertainment. If everybody left our class, or day of working together on operational gear, feeling involved and more confident, then that was great in my mind. My dad was an AF RIO and navigator, and knew
very good aircrew -- folks you really wanted aboard with you -- who separated when the next rung of their professional advancement was their compulsory stint at the Pentagon or some headquarters/staff gig... not worth being imbedded with a busload of the same type of people who caused you to end your army career.
@@RANDALLBRIGGS Randall: I was ten years before you.
@@dananichols1816 My dad was an Army Air Corps E-8. As a company commander, I had a great first sergeant and I became great friends with our brigade command sergeant major. I learned much more from those two men than I ever did from the commanders and staff above me.
@@aardvark121212 Man, the phenomenal mil culture and tech evolutions he must have lived through! With the young folks I trained and worked with, I sincerely told them to seek out the older heads in whichever shop or unit they were in -- especially those who appeared to be patient & willing to share the great wealth of what they knew -- once the mentors see that you're sincere about learning, out it pours, and the resulting pride & confidence soars. John, the experience you gained during your time in, good & bad, is worth a million bucks.
At the end of your videos is a list of things to do, as you real them off I am complying like a preflight checklist or in my case a reactor startup. Keeps me in the moments I used to like. Thx
Thanks for another great episode, Commander! It was really nice to see things from Paddles’ POV and to see Capt. Miller (another excellent writer!). 🤙🏼 Would you or have you ever considered doing an episode with your wife on ‘how to be a naval aviator’s wife’, or even ‘Navy wife’. There might be a few other subscribers interested in that issue. Thanks again! 😊
Very interesting. I think I'm slowly getting the hang of the US Navy jargon. I'm a glider pilot and you just have to it right first time (or, else !). The "LSO" carries a heck of a lot of responsibility it seems. When in the Fleet Air Arm (UK) engineering, I made a point of regularly checking the hook's damper for the correct response. I'd heard tales of the hook 'skipping' wires if this was not the case. We were never given an exact formula for this but, it was done by 'feel' (and experience) particularly on the UP stroke.
Learned a lot about LSOs, thanks! Very timely, the latest English episode of the Omega Tau podcast is all about flying the F-18, one of the interviewees discusses his experiences as an LSO. This helped fill in a lot of the gaps.
I watched these guys (LSO) work as a casual observer. I heard the carryover discussions in the wardroom but you really laid it out for all to understand how thorough and tough it is to fly jets on ships at sea. We had the AF on board for observation and I heard a LtC tell whomever would listen he wound not want to fly on a ship. (We did have a AF Captain flying photo recon). Good stuff.
You use the term :boat: casually in reference to the SHIP and I understand the adlib and the off hand reference among friends. But the term "boat" to the unwashed is a fighting term when drinking on the beach. A boat is a vessel small enough to be placed on a larger vessel...that of course, does not apply to submarines. Just commenting. What say you? (I am50+ years removed from my tour on CVA 42)
Another fabuous video - big thanks to Ward and Hozer!
Insightful interview Ward and Kevin! I didn't have the opportunity to interview an LSO for NNAM so hope someone there got this one for the record 'cuz it is really important! Thanks for bringing us on the platform! (Could be added to the display, eh Hozer?)
Ask Ward, he owns the rights!
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for a peek into the rare world of carrier ops.
Outstanding episode with Hozer. Home run every time.
Very cool hozer came through meridian in Buckeyes and Skyhawks, I m a plane captain at nas meridian working with both vt-7 and vt-9 with t-45c goshawk, my mom was pc on buckeyes and Skyhawks and my stepdad was pc with buckeyes. Another great video
I have a serious question…. Who the hell actually gives these videos a thumbs down? Smh.
Commies
People accidentally tap it without knowing (using a smartphone) and only listen to the video while working and then the video ends, auto-play starts the next video, and until they watch the video again, they don’t know they’ve disliked a Ward Carroll video. That’s gotta be it.
Japanese naval aviation vets
ABH's.
Here is feedback I have offered:
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When you use the phrase "Real Truth...",
you erode the meaning of both words.
It is sufficient to simply say "Truth".
This feedback is for anyone who wishes
to uphold the concept, protect it, and preserve it.
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It is not a strong enough criticism to Dislike the entire vid. But a criticism none the less.
Very interesting! Wow, talk about a lot of stress on the job. It takes real team work to bring home those planes!
Nice, I just got my shipping notification from USNI. Weird that only War and Fight are listed as shipped though. Oh! Great vid with Rick by the way.
Thanks, Barry!
Hozer thank you for being involved in DCS !!!
That was absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
Another great Marauder !
Great LSO quote “ you sound great keep it coming”
Great LSOs I knew in GAG 8,
Fields Richardson and Rocket Clover. Loved these Pros.
Mooch . . . great piece. I remember my one stint on Lincoln with COMCARGRUONE, and we were qualifying the Aviators on their launches and recoveries before deployment. This was one of the first Marine legacy Hornet deployments mixed with Tomcats. I requested to experience a Recovery from the LSO spot. We went through the whole routine just like Hozer described it, and got out there just as the sun was setting. it was unnerving to watch the jets coming RIGHT AT YOU . . . until the last instant when they developed the Left Bearing Drift. The net was illuminated in case we had to bail, but truth be told if things went that bad you would probably 'Buy the Farm'.
That exercise I got to witness an after dark in flight arrest of a Tomcat (Triple Sticks). Blew all the tires and they had to do FOD Walkdown again before we could recover everyone still in the stack. The next morning I saw Triple Stix launch. They didn't call it GRUMMAN IRON WORKS for nothing! TORCH Out!
As a corpsman we would mess with LSOs during flight physical eye exam. ”What was that 3rd letter again?" Very proud of their eye sight. Repaired many a LSO sunglasses!
That is awesome. Thanks for your service.
Another great video Ward. Hozer seems like a really great guy as do you and all your former shipmates. Thanks for letting the world in on your "mostly" boys club.
I pull some Crash crew duty at Whitehouse when I was TAD at NAS Cecil Field waiting for Franklin D Roosevelt to return from a Med cruise in 1965 1966. The night OPS was always the best but I doubt if the pilots like it much. I was surprised that it was still in use in the 1980s.
Don’t forget the mighty Phantom ii
Absolutely love your videos. It's not often I will watch 30 min videos start to finish
thank you so much for your video's. I was an ordnance man in VA-85, an A-6 squqdron on the Saratoga in the mid 80;s. Your video's and stories brig back so many good memories. Thanks again.
Another good one, Mooch. Your channel always makes my day. EKA3B NFO in VAQ130, Det 61, Ranger, 67-68, 68-69.
Brilliant video, fascinating to listen to Hoser.