These people are called idiots, they are all over the world. You just have to find them, put them all together in one place and bingo: You have our own sect or religion.
If neither of them can raise the dead, do they both lose? Surely that's the sign to get the hell out, well that and it being any form of organised religion.
Fun fact, the FBI didn't just play loud music to keep the followers awake, they also played recordings of the screams of dying rabbits. Which, if you never heard those before, are the most terrifying thing ever.
Thank you for posting this. Unlike the first commentor, I haven’t seen the miniseries and was taken aback by the first picture. Literally came down to the comments to see if anyone else commented about the similarity. Saved me from looking stupid. Definitely going to look into the show. 👍🏻
My dad once met this guy at his church, he felt bad vibes coming off him and he did not agree with what he would talk about, so one day he said that he would meet up with him, so David told him to come to a certain place so that he could join in on one of his sermons, so my dad came to the place that David told him his sermon would be. When my dad walked into the building, David was sitting on a chair in a room filled with people all sitting down on the floor next to the walls of the room, there was a chair opposite to him on the other side of the room, he told my dad to take a seat in that chair and when he did David began his sermon, he wasn’t talking to my dad specifically but he was talking about the things that my dad believed in and twisted them, he would take passages from the Bible and put a twist on them, he would talk very quickly and would move from subject to subject quickly not allowing my dad to think or dwell on what he had just said, my dad did felt very uncomfortable and felt an evil presence in the room, he tried to get up from his chair but he said that it literally felt like there were people holding him down to the chair, there was no one next to my dad when he was sitting down yet he said that he felt people holding down stopping him from leaving the chair. My dad started to pray to God for strength to leave and eventually he stood up and told David that he was going to leave, and as he started to walk out, David stood up and followed my dad continuing his sermon, David began to sound angry as he followed my dad out, my dad did get out and he never saw David again, my dad also learned that David was using a brainwashing technique by talking quickly and moving from subject to subject quickly and not giving the brain time to think, my dad says that this was one of the scariest moments in his entire life, he said that when he was in that room with David, he thought that there were evil angels right next to him and holding him in his place. This is just me telling what my dad told me from his experience with David Koresh tl;dr, David Koresh tries to get my dad into his cult following but fails A follow up on this, my dad had a few of his school friends and people that he knew that actually got brainwashed and became a part of David’s cult following. So yeah, be safe out there people!
"for some reason, the ATF decided not to arrest him while he was in town buying supplies" Its called a "publicity stunt" Simon. They wanted the news choppers to record them raiding the compound and bringing out Koresh in handcuffs so they could look badass on TV.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 There wouldnt have been one. Koresh went to town alone or only with a couple of people. He kept the rest of the flock isolated back at the compound. The best way to avoid a gun battle would have been to nab him while he was in town.
@@theshocker4626 In the movie, it looked like the ATF ran directly into a firing line where the first Agents were killed. And you use chemical weapons in an enclosed space during an inversion; poking holes in a building with high wind is how to flame a building. There were recordings that were later produced that clearly showed that the Branch Davidians set the fires themselves, but hopefully lessons were learned as a lot of innocent people perished in the blaze.
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I remember this. One of the main problems was the Attorney General, Janet Reno's, total incompetence. She should never have been involved in this operation. Clinton made it a goal to appoint a lot of women to positions in his administration, more than one of them, such as Zoe Baird and Lani Guinier proved not to be qualified, and were rather quickly replaced. Reno, unfortunately, was not, and caved to pressure from Clinton to end the standoff, and that proved disastrous. It was also Attorney General Reno who threatened legal action against banks that refused to sell low interest mortgages to high risk people, who were often minorities, on the premise that not doing so was discriminatory. And it was the defaults on those mortgages were what caused the mortgage crisis, resulting in the subsequent economic collapse. Bush probably came to regret not replacing her when he took office.
Federal Agents storming a building with supposed illegal weapons and no one thought about working with local sheriffs who had kept the peace for decades? Going to the door with a handful of unarmed agents with a SMALL tactical team behind them wouldn't have been a better option? It's not like the Branch Davidians were like some of the militia's a white supremacist groups who openly talk about "overthrowing the government" and "revolution." The people who stayed at Mt. Carmel obviously had no problem with David Koresh OR his leadership otherwise they would have left like some did YEARS before 1992. I think it's weird to think pork is wrong but Muslims and Jews avoid it. That's their belief, not mine. I respect that. I think it's weird that some churches handle live snakes, but that's their belief, not mine. Some may think I am weird because I respect all religions and believe that whatever brings you peace without harming others is okay., but that's my belief. It's sad how no one stood up for them and their rights as HUMAN BEINGS AND AMERICAN CITIZENS.
David used to come hear a band in Dallas called Shock Tu. My ex was in that band. You can imagine the stun when I was watching the attack on the compound LIVE and they put up his picture! I had seen him several times there. To this day I cannot comprehend why the ATF did not arrest him while he was out of the compound. That the raid and storming was televised. That struck me as the government attempting to show what badasses they were. It was a disgusting spectacle. Koresh should have been arrested anywhere else and the lives of those idiots that followed him would still be alive.
I remember reading somewhere in an inteview with someone from the ATF saying that they didn't want to arrest him outside of the compound due to the risk that his heavily armed followers would try to rescue him wich would put a serious amount of people at danger. Don't know if that is an explanation they come up with afterwards, but it seems plausible that the ATF would think that way.
ZeroneAngel they might think that way but it seems pretty weak. The federal govt coulda put him anywhere they wanted to. And they were religious fanatics but not necessarily mercenaries, chances are they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything. Without Koresh calling the shots it’s possible they would have opened the compound to the ATF but who knows; maybe it’s true what they said and maybe An arrest of Koresh would’ve made things worse. I believe they still could’ve handled it different.
@@ZeroneAngel To be fair, unless they physically prevented any reporters from actually reporting on the scene (which in America is... well, pretty common) they just would've kept on doing it, just from a farther away location, lower quality recordings or more sneakily.
We must remember during this time the militia was gaining a movement across America and a strong message was needed to show others what would happen if you think you can take on the government..the real oddity was the fact that the ATF actually built a mock up of the building ..I mean since when do they ever do that? They could have got him anytime as he jogged and he even said he would meet them since he felt they had no case against ..what typically happens is they work up a physiological profile to predict how he would likely react to cause a stand off media spectacle and then on the windiest day they punch holes in the building to ventilate and when the fire started, even shot those escaping on the back side out of view of media cameras and of course the fire started up wind and swept quickly to the other end ,they certainly had no fire equipment in place as a common sense precaution ..I believe a couple of Clinton’s enemies were “dispatched “ in the process as an added agenda rolled into the sick plan.
@B N Braughton tomato tomotto. I mean really at what point does it become mass murder? One could say that destroying an ant colony is also mass murder. How do you justify being ok with those people not being held accountable for their actions?
@B N Braughton if you subscribe to the belief of the sanctity of life, isn't that a blanket belief over ALL life, or just human life? Why do we consider some lives more valuable than others? And who decides? It seems to me the sanctity of life thing is something we made up and really, there is no universal sanctity, which makes human lives, according to nature, no more valuable than an ant's.
Could be the parents arrangement.....The true test is Continuing to have faith in God after miscarrying or other tragedies such as deaths. Having the strength in your faith when you are low, instead of blaming God or losing faith.
@@lonismith6491 I think it's more about biology than faith. At 60, most women will miscarry. Perhaps a bit of intelligence could be mixed in with faith.
They aren't police. They are social workers. They can't legally do much without evidence and lying to them is not punishable. For them to be able to do what people want them to do would require a few extra laws.
@@Rbl484 BS. CPS has too much power. They destroy the lives of families with very little evidence. They protect those with influence. I won't go into the the far more disgusting inner workings of this evil government sanctioned trafficking cabal.
I aint an apologist of his, and it was perhaps always destined to end tragically. But the actions of the ATF in this case has always struck me as problematic to say the least.
I don't think the gas canister started the fire 6 hrs later. The canisters supposedly had a remote chance of causing extreme heat at detonation, but that would start a fire immediately. There were grenades explosives and incendiaries in the complex and everyone was inhibited by CS gas and religious psychotics. My money is always on accidental or intentional from within
That entire operation was a mess FBI really fucked up how they tried to do it, but David Koresh wasn't some hero Just another crazy man who thinks he's Jesus, and attempts to get ready for a doomsday prophecy by possibly being the reason it starts The issue is just how the Government dealt with him Having a shoot out and then trying to get people out, but using poor methods to do so And in general not realizing that the Gasoline the Davidites spread along with the tear gas caused a Fire
just to clarify it was tear gas, not toxic gas, and it was a fire that caused the deaths of everyone (which side caused the fire is highly disputed and I won't call names because it's very controversial)
@@quinnholloway5400 Yeah, David Koresh is crazy and his bunch of gunmen are a threat, however the FBI handled it at the expense of a lot of innocent followers being burned alive
I’m always pleasantly surprised with the new episodes. I always find myself doing more research on the people covered in this series. Thank you for that!
Yea just a great channel.. Since the day he made me discover aspects of nazi party officials' lives I didn't expect to find in classical documentaries (maybe only in books and biographies), I began to appreciate the whole content of this channel... Very useful
Seeing what Koresh’s youth was like makes me think of “Dazed and Confused” since it took place in Texas. This story is such an encapsulation of U.S. culture.
Charlotte Rawlins I guess what I meant is that the mixture of militarism, religious fervor, and sex and rock and roll (we can say the drugs used were the “opium of the masses”) is very on theme with u.s. values. I didn’t mean that the US is full of militia cults, but a lot of people seem to aspire to it.
Atheistic communism was by a wide, wide margin the philosophy/belief system under which more people were killed in the 20th century than any traditional religion. The problem is human beings' readiness to give blind adherence to authoritarian ideologies, which by no means need to be metaphysical or religious in the traditional sense.
@TermsofService That fedora might be a bit tight on yer head there, Mr. self-styled "Free Thinker." Yes, Hollywood, that cesspit of pedophilia, is just FULL of "religious" people, isn't it? And the Jeff Epstein sex trafficking/blackmail operation just screams "intolerant Christian," doesn't it? --just a little food for thought from a nonreligious person who doesn't make a fetish of it. And the naive faith in government (hint: they are not your parents, unless your parents were more interested in controlling and profiting from you than anything else) your comment implies is bordering on hilarious.
Isn't that the truth 60 some million sheep voted for Hillary Clinton. The weak minded shall inherit the earth. Just watch the first few minutes of the movie Idiocracy and that's what is happening.
Fun fact: the ATF’s report was recently declassified and it was indeed their tear gas that started the fire that killed so many...a sad situation all around
I think it was kind of a mix of the gasoline that the davidians spread around as evidenced by the audio logs from the bugs they placed on milk cans, and some of the incendiary tear gas cans they used.
I was walking down the road one day when I saw a gentleman on a bridge about to jump. "Stop", I yelled, "Jesus loves you. Are you a Christian" "yes" "me too! Protestant or Catholic?" "Protestant" "Me too. Flat earth or round earth" "Flat" "Me too. Old earth or young?" "Young." "Me too. 7th day adventist?" "yeah" "Me too. Pro-life or Pro-choice" "Well, I believe abortion is a sin" "Me too. What about homosexuality?" "I believe that's also a sin" "Me too. Do you reckon the pastor was right about jesus coming back on 5th June 2019?" "Well, I believe it'll be 2020" "Heathen" I yelled and pushed him off the bridge. (Adapted from Groucho Marx)
@@christineparis5607 Especially when the same wackos keep making the same claims about "the apocalypse." In 10 years, we'll just need to edit the year & this skit will still be 100% relevant.
@@KrimetTStarKiller the FBI wasn’t responsible the only one that is, is Koresh he had every chance to peacefully come out and surrender and he chose not too
I've heard the phone calls David made to the police during the raid. He wasn't exactly helping the matter, he told the police he would surrender multiple times and did not, he only let the children who weren't his leave and no one else despite saying he would let everyone go. The ATF definitely could have handled the situation better, arresting David while he was in town definitely was the best option in my opinion (by no means am I an expert on the matter) but the ATF tried their hardest to find a peaceful resolution AFTER the first shots were fired. They even offered to help anyone who was wounded on David's side, but David either lied to them or refused at every turn. I can't blame the ATF for finally going on the attack (EDIT: with tear gas) after giving those people months to surrender peacefully. It is a tragic situation and I truly wish so many people didn't have to die in the end, especially those innocent children who didn't choose to be there, but they decided what they believed in was above the law and that they were willing to die for it. Once I heard the audio from the bugs in David's compound of his followers saying "Pour the gas, David said pour the gas" I lost all my sympathy for those people, I only wish the children didn't have to die because of bad decisions by their parents... The adults chose their fate but those kids didn't choose anything... This was a great video by the way, I wasn't criticising, I just find this subject fascinating and I love to talk about it when it gets brought up. (EDIT: The only complaint I have is that Simon made it seem like the raid happened much faster than it actually did. This raid lasted months.) Edit: I truly recommend anyone with interest on this subject go and watch the Netflix documentary Oklahoma City, as you may guess by the title, it's mainly about The Oklahoma City Bombing and the infamous Timothy McVeigh but there is a lengthy section where they discuss the Waco incident in great detail and with witnesses from both sides of the event. The Ruby Ridge documentary on Netflix was also very good for the same reasons. Both documentaries are by PBS and definitely worth watching.
Darth Revan ... a thing I find particular is the fact that most of the survivors look to be very fit and able individuals "just happened to be close enough to windows and doors to escape, while the most vulnerable were trapped in dead end "bunkers" ... before someone bleats on about keeping them "safe" from danger, stop and think WHY were these fit and able people stationed near doors and windows - to prevent TANKS for breaking down walls or keep people (their people) from fleeing?
This guy suffered from a messianic complex, there really is no talking to someone who has lost touch with reality to the point of thinking you are God incarnate.
Once the FBI arrived all operations were controlled by them, the ATF had no say in further proceedings. Based on their incompetence and amateurish operation it was best to relegate them to janitor duty or go-fers.
PBS really covered this incident very well. I'm terrified at how many people think just like Tim McVeigh did about the Waco siege. How long before one of them commits an act of terror, just like him? And then they say the common man should be allowed to own any weapon. Anti-government people, you are the greatest argument _against_ the right to bear arms. Please stop your paranoia, or we will all lose our rights to self-defense because of it.
See this is why I never entered the clergy. Modern Day organized religion is just too volatile. If they kept it to how it was Pre-Catholic Church it would be fine. Despite my affirmations however I have long accepted my destiny is not to be a preacher in any sort. People's lives are just to precious to be in mortal hands.
It was a Bradley tank that shot fire into the compound. Video of which has since been taken down. I should have recorded it, to prove my point, but hey
was there not also a tie-in to the events at Ruby Ridge? Another tragedy that shoulda/coulda been handled very differently. But I would also be interested in hearing about T. McVeigh & Oklahoma city
Like you said it wasn't 100% because of Waco. It did contribute, but first Timothy was up at Ruby Ridge. Though Even before either of those he served in the US military during Operation Desert storm, and one of the key things that made him do what he did was doing things in Iraq that made him feel like he as a state actor was killing innocence. When he got home he found it harder to get a job than expected and kind of just drifted around from gunshow to gunshow where he got hooked up with factions of white extremists who saw the events of ruby ridge and waco texas as the American government attacking it's people. So he decided to build a bomb that he thought would set off a race war. Instead he hurt countless people and was sentenced to death.
0:30 - Chapter 1 - Early life 2:25 - Chapter 2 - A religious bent 4:10 - Chapter 3 - Finding the branch davidians 6:50 - Chapter 4 - Battling for control 9:35 - Chapter 5 - Enter david koresh 12:25 - Chapter 6 - Arming the fortress 15:50 - Chapter 7 - The siege 18:10 - Chapter 8 - End times
So very informative and engaging to hear the perspective after time has elapsed. The story I heard during the time was quite different. What I do recall distinctly was that Janet Reno accepted the full blame for a horrible decision. I was in awe and respect. I had NEVER heard a government official accept blame for anything. The typical deal is to point the finger at someone else.
Reno took the blame at the time but President Bill Clinton had given the final go-ahead. When Mr. Clinton won re-election over Senator Robert Dole in 1996, he wanted to replace Reno. Reno told him that if he (essentially) fired her, she'd tell the public the full story of his culpability for Waco. Reno kept her job. It is believed that ATF lied to - or at the very least severely exaggerated - Reno about the allegations of child abuse against David Koresh in order to get her approval for the final assault. Why 85 people needed to be gassed as punishment for the alleged actions of one man has yet to be explained, and with Reno's death and descent into Hell, probably never will be.
I remember coming from from school everyday and hearing about the siege only 45 miles north of us. What always struck me as odd was why the ATF behaved the way they did. This is Texas, we have a pretty "Don't tread on me" mentality. When the ATF just stormed in shooting all the dogs, of course they were going to get pushback. I believe the raid was done to show the strength of the federal government, but it backfired. Hindsight is 20/20, but I remember thinking back then they should have just arrested David Koresh in town. Another Texas "celebrity" in a similar vein as David Koresh that might be an interesting biography is George Hennard. He lived only 1/2 mile from us in Belton, TX. He was the guy that drove his car into a Luby's and started shooting. I would ride by his house and always wondered what made him crack.
I live in Texas too, and thought the same thing. There were so many other ways to handle it that wouldn't leave led to so many casualties. It was all so surreal.
REDUX WACO In 1993, the ATF conducted a raid on a compound outside Waco Texas that belonged to a religious cult called the “Branch Davidians.” Early in the morning, when they arrived, they found reporters from the local tv stations and newspapers were already waiting for them. Someone had broken security. Hundreds of ATF agents, along with tanks from Ft Hood and military personnel, surrounded the Branch Davidians and their leader, “David Koresh” in the compound. Koresh organized his followers to stay in the communal building. This set the stage for the second longest and definitely the largest siege situation in the history of US law enforcement. The longest siege occurred at Wounded Knee, South Dakota and began on February 27th, 1973 and ran for 71 days. It ended poorly for the government though no one was killed. It was then that the DOJ decided that they needed to come up with a strategy for dealing with groups of people who were not typical criminals, but were under the control of a charismatic leader like David Koresh. They decided that the preferred method was “decapitation” not in the sense of actually chopping off someone’s head, but in the sense that before there was any major movement of men surrounding compounds, they should arrest the leader when he was away from his followers. This way, they could prevent the leader from rallying his people to resist, making the arrest that much quicker, easier and safer. They could have done this with Koresh because every week, he went into town to the post office to collect the mail for the group. This was a formal safety procedure written in the DOJ Field Manual for all law enforcement agents of the Federal government. So the big question is, “Why didn’t they follow their own safety regulations?” In the end, this mistake cost 75 of the Branch Davidians and two federal agents their lives. But, in the end, the public was told that it was Janet Reno who was responsible because she ordered the raid to begin. She stood up and took full responsibility. But, she was never fired. Instead, she went on to become the only Attorney General in history to serve two terms with the same president. According to Dick Morris, advisor to President Clinton, Janet Reno had “blackmailed” Clinton into keeping her on. What could Janet Reno possibly have on Bill Clinton that would be more important than 77 dead people for which she was responsible? A: That she wasn’t actually responsible. So what really happened at Waco, or rather at the planning stages of Waco? All sorts of things, no doubt, but one of those things that had to have happened is that some federal agents, (ATF or FBI) had to make the request to the White House for the use of those tanks and federal troops. You see, the Posse Comitatus Act, which was passed after Reconstruction in the 1800s, required that the president personally approve the use any military equipment or personnel in a civilian law enforcement operation. That means that someone from ATF/FBI had to have briefed the president on what the military was needed for. And since we know that the military were there, we know he had to have signed the orders. (Contrary to belief, the Attorney General is not really a general in the army.) So, the question is, didn’t they warn the president that surrounding the compound with Koresh in it was a guarantee that there would be a hold out? Either they did or they didn’t. Did they mislead the president resulting in all those deaths? Well, if they did, then it’s hard to explain why no one on the planning team was ever punished for it. Because at the very least, they were responsible for all those deaths. Not only was no one ever punished, they were all promoted within a year. That sounds like they must have done their job right and someone else was responsible for the screw up. But who and why? Er, maybe the guy who signed the orders? The first really big law that President Clinton pushed for in his first 100 days was the Assault Weapons Ban. And a big splashy raid, on a gang of crazies armed with 50 caliber rifles, in the Texas desert, broadcast every night on TV for a couple weeks was just the ticket to drum up support for the law. Except a couple of weeks turned into a couple of months. In the aftermath of the raid, Congress appointed Senator John Danforth to investigate the raid. At the beginning, he announced that he would NOT be looking into anything that occurred before the ATF/FBI arrived at the compound. In other words, he would not investigate the planning stage where President Clinton had to have had some role. Why would he do that unless he already knew what he would find? The only people who could tell the world what really happened are the people who took part in planning the raid and briefing the president. By now, all these people are safely in retirement and they can’t be punished without also indicting the Clintons. If Bill Clinton were innocent, then he should have been incensed that it happened at all. He didn’t punish anyone, not even Janet Reno. Janet Reno stepped up to the microphone and took responsibility for what happened, but she would have been briefed on everything that I’ve told you here. And this would explain why she was able to spend 8 full years as Attorney General. Final Note: My Freedom of Information Act request to the Clinton Library for a copy of the order was not fulfilled. It was reportedly not in their archives.
@@joezingher4770 I can't stand the Clinton's, and I am an independent. Still, I usually hate it when people blame the Clinton's for everything from global warming to stale bread, because it's usually just hysteria combined with shrieking insults if you don't agree. That said, your argument is fascinating. You have obviously researched your subject and have presented it in a thoughtful, concise manner. Do you have an opinion on what J. Reno could have possibly known to lead her to take all blame in exchange for protecting her career? And what do you think Clinton had done that was so heinous that people had to die to cover it up? I know all the usual things people yell about, but I'm interested in what your opinion is. Thanks.
Don't even start on mentality. That's the exact thing Tim McVeigh thought when he saw this, which is why he killed 165 people in Oklahoma City. Do you want to validate the worst domestic terrorist in U.S. history?
US law enforcement loves military-style raids. There are quite a few examples of this, including a lot of innocent people who have been victims of this because of bureaucratic snafus or false tips from criminals who are trying to bargain with the police.
Yes this is Janet Reno’s legacy everyone will remember her ridiculous handling of this. Like it said in this article they could’ve taken him very easily when he was in town
@@otisdylan9532 Koresh didnt gun down the ATF retreating when they ran out of ammo the first time.. ATF and FBI shot at people trying to leave the compound after setting it on fire. Or do your MSM news sources not say this and therefore isnt true? You are brainwashed beyond repair. I bet you look at Ruby Ridge and think the govt was in the right there too.
@TermsofService right-so that justifies killing women and children....when they could have arrested him on one of his outings...you betcha. Read about the siege sometime. There is such a thhig as due process and not woop-ass.
TermsofService probably the reason for your weak user name and no user pic. I bet you’re aggressive and shitty to everybody in every comment thread you visit.
This guy has a few channels doing similar video formats. This one's Biographics, there's one called Today I Found Out, and I know there's a third one. The name honestly escapes me. Maybe someone else can answer the third channels name for me
According to the internet, the Branch Davidians started the fire. But somehow I think that is not the cause you believe to be the origin of the fire. Im honestly curious about your opinion :)
Ben Siener I’ve had experience using gas grenades and how they operate is basically burning the materials inside the grenade in order to put off gas. This means they run extremely hot and can occasionally spit sparks if built incorrectly. If a grenade had been dropped directly inside an opening and faced either toward carpet or a wall it would catch fire especially considering the building was built from wood. We also don’t know exactly what other stuff was in the building at the time. I could have landed in an ammo container for all we know. If the gas was pushing people away from it and was obscuring the flames, it not a leap in logic that it would have gotten out of hand quickly. I personally don’t think that some kooky cult in the middle of nowhere would have been enough of a threat or assistance to global elites to even ping on their radar. I think the ATF botched the raid and should have just waited them out at a distance after cutting off power. It wouldn’t be the first time law enforcement messed up, killed people, and swept it under the rug especially the Feds. If you want a really weird story, search for The Finders. That one has some real messed up stuff behind it and the FBI Archive Vault on Twitter released their investigation documents behind that case recently. Included in the documents is a map of the tunnels underneath McMartin preschool. That case was dismissed as Satanic Panic but that map is evidence that that accusation had merit.
"The FBI has arrived to 'investigate', this would be like getting in a fight with the neighbor boy, whipping him, and then his bigger, older brother comes over to 'investigate ' ."-David Koresh
he said himself why couldnt the fbi of just arrested him on his daily jogs or when he went for supplies in the nearby town they didnt have to kill a bunch of innocents
C Marshall ... Perhaps but the reaction of his leaderless and heavy armed followers like would have resulted in wide-spread violence in attempts to free their leader. Plus the fact he, himself, had 51 DAYS to save the "innocents" but choose not differently.
Michael Sanches ... Absolutely, but how do you think his followers would have reacted? Peacefully sitting on the steps outside,the Courthouse or storming into town guns blazing to free him? ATF screwed the pouch in their approach, yes, but to theorise a "simple, peaceful" arrest was a viable option is dangerously simplistic.
When you have an armed self-proclaimed Messiah, there is going to be pain. I would rather be on defense in the town than on offense attacking the compound. Koresh knew his only chance for freedom would be via the courts. I think he would have told his people to back off, that it was God's will so that he could have a forum to the rest of the world (which is what he wanted.) Alternately, since it was a Federal warrant, they could have immediately moved him anywhere in the country.
I lived an hour and a half away when that happened. I was in high school at the time and I remember how we all felt like "See, this is why everybody thinks everyone in Texas is nuts."
But almost all nut jobs are formally abused children. I don't think anyone said that all abused children are nutjobs. I don't think humanity would have survived beyond the dark ages if that was the case as children being viewed as precious beings are a recent thing
We obviously hear about these types of tragedies that were shaped by people who were abused as children. How about the hundreds of millions of abused children who just plain failed to thrive? That's almost sadder to me; a life of fear, pain, and the inner voice that constantly tells you that you're no good. And what's even worse, knowing that it's not true and still unable to break free.
I don't know how true this is. But the reason the Davidians knew about the raid in advance was because somehow the story leaked to the press and a news cameraman was despatched to the scene. It's said he got lost on his way to Waco and asked for directions to the compound from a local. It turned out that the local was a member of the Davidians who happened to be out and about that day. He ran to a phone booth and called Koresh to let him know that something big was about to happen at the compound, and this gave the Davidians time to arm themselves. Whether or not this happened remains unclear but what ever the case the Davidians knew about the raid in advance.
Underwhelming vid that isnt as indeph, honest, and fair as the Waco series, I'm pretty disappointed as I was expecting a sophisticated, indeph look into the siege and David's head and mindset from this channel, but nope.
I lived in Palestine, Texas, in 1986-1988 and had a friend who was a midwife. I remember her telling me about delivering a baby for some "weird people that live in school buses." She said they were really strange and that she wasn't going to go out there again. It was probably a wise decision.
Such an amazing video that he got the date wrong, uses photos from a miniseries, and ignores the confession from the FBI that they used incendiary tear gas at Waco, likely causing the fire.
@@moonfish3638 the Australian waco fire survivor says the cult started the fire, you can blame your feds for everything leading up to it but ultimately the cult killed the kids
Note: The Branch Davidians still exist, and are still widely condemned by most SDA communities. I’ve had a few chats with an SDA friend of mine about the sect.
Really?? That's interesting. I didn't know the BDs were still active. I Know some SDAs and they always seem extremely rational and reasonable. Not like the wacky BDs.
Charlotte Rawlins most SDAs are fairly rational people. I’m good friends with an SDA family, and have gotten to understand their beliefs a bit more. I don’t agree with much of it (I’m not a Christian), but it’s an interesting sect. They disavowed the BDs decades ago. And the BDs are separatists if a separatist branch. The few BDs still around are nothing like Koresh was. Also if you want a more in-depth account of the Waco Siege check out the podcast “American Scandal”. The current season is about Waco.
Ty. Was watching video like "Uhhhh ur off by whole year dude." Knew that cuz Waco my hometown & was in 5th grade when this went down. (No, not a survivor lol)
Satan is reported to have said; "ye shall be as god's".... and ironically, it appears that history is flooded with men who insist upon acting this folly out.
I've been watching these vids for over 4h today. It's again too warm, so the best course of action is to focus on something interesting. My compliments & appreciation to everyone @ the Biographics team. Best wishes & also hello Simon! :)
As a historian I am interested in what really happened and the government story has a bunch of holes in it you could literally drive a tank through. Footage taken at the time surfaced much later showing followers being gunned down as they tried to escape the burning buildings. Koresh was a nut-job no doubt but it seems very likely that the authorities massively over-reacted and probably killed non-combatants including women and children.
The followers of Koresh could have just sent the children away out of the compound to save their lives from possible accidental death or suicide by cop, so that is all on them.
@@easyenetwork2023 hey genius the law enforcement bulldozed all the local compound exits in an attempt to keep KORESH from escaping. They didn’t give two fucks about the women and children as long as they got their man.
As a Wacoan, this has long been a massive stain on our city. But it happened 40 miles away. Not that Waco isnt run by a bunch of Karens to begin with. But still.
@@jrcooper83 Understand, sorry. I live in Huron County Ohio, and this County is so dangerously corrupt, it needs to be told and shamed for all to know !
I did too. I felt really terrible for those poor kids. An adult can make the choice (or not) to join a cult--or stay in that compound (or not)--but those kids didn't stand a chance.
The Branch Davidion cult was weird, but it was actually pretty damn tame compared to the cult of statism, in which the government is revered as god like and state thugs are worshipped as heroes no matter what they do. The Branch Davidians did nothing wrong, the Waco incident was just another fine example of the government violently shutting down a peaceful commune.
@@libertopaeurekananarch7562 A peaceful commune...in which followers bought grenades and assault weapons, and in which women were raped, children abused, and men ordered to never make love to their wives. ...No, wait, that's not a peaceful commune. That's tyranny, fascism, and violence, justified by lunatic religion. You need to get your definitions right.
08mlascelles the British obviously invented the language but during the industrial revolution you all dropped the r at the end of words and added random rules like adding Rs at the end of words like idea. example: the idear is. So Americans actually are closer to speaking true Old English than you British folk are.
I was a cop for 20 years. I have spoken with people (took L.E. classes from agents) who were there.... I know why the assault happened the way it did. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have American blood on their hands. I heard recordings of Agent Cavanaugh refusing to let the people come out as they begged to have the media cameras film their exit. FBI and ATF were in a budget year and looking to score a big case to get the lion's share of the budget money.... they both escalated this beyond what was needed. CS gas wasn't the only agent used at the compound! Then the cover-up happened. If the American people knew what was done and how the coverup happened, Clinton, Reno & 2 Delta Force Operators would have been jailed!
Ruby Ridge would have never happened if Randy Weaver had appeared in court on the appropriate day. His stupidity and stubbornness set the events in motion.
Another well crafted piece. A couple of the pictures are of a very good actor who appeared in a six part production called Waco. Matters not as I tend to listen more than veiw. He seemed like a cool guy to begin with, bit of a rebel. Unfortunately, like a lot of these people who obtain control over people's live they turn to the dark side
Fanatics double their speed when they lose their aim. "David" had the chance to be a good person but a slow decent into deception, carnal desires, and probable insanity ended his foolish reign of terror. Many died because of him.
I was very young at this time but I recall everything that occurred. Frankly it was very scary as a spectator as it was going on, I can't imagine how the children or his followers actually felt. Very sad times.
So basically a life of pendulum swings from extreme chastity to promiscuity over and over. Great video. Now do one about Janet Reno (also with a yellow thumbnail) about how she wanted to turn the situation into a PR opportunity.
I question your sources on this one. There was a lot of misinfo spread about this whole event and group to cover up the horrendous way law enforcement handled things. I still cant find any testimony that any children were being abused. Theres a lot that isnt too clear about this event.
@@dontgettoknowm9864 The point is we don't know, there is no evidence. That was a story put out by the FBI after the case to make him look worse to justify their actions.
As an addendum to the story, in subsequent interviews some of those that had been allowed to leave had stated that, prior to the raid some 40 or 50 of his followers had been planning to leave en masse. They had ceased to believe that the government was going to attack them and were losing faith. It was that raid that convinced them to stay, a raid that happened just one day before their planned exit from the compound. It is unknown whether or not that information was known to the governmental agents who conducted the raid or to Janet Reno and Rodriguez has not, himself ever verified or denied that that information was passed on to the federal agents, or that he even knew of it.
I Absolutely love Simon Whistler videos, always have. That being said, and while I know it has already been commented on previously, only photos of the actual subject should be used in a fact base documentary type presentation. Using images of performers portraying the subject really should not be used if not directly referring to the adaptation said image is from. Especially since images of David Koresh (Vernon Howell) are plentiful and easily obtained.
Unbelievable that people will still follow commands like 'you will remain celibate but you wife will sleep with me'
Mr.Retardo could’ve never convinced me about his messiah BS but would’ve definitely lost me @“remain celibate while I pound ya wife” lol
Yea thats definetly gonna be an ass whoopin when someone trys to come at me with that b.s. lol
Mike Greives cognitive dissonance is really powerful
K then...
-karesh 's followers
These people are called idiots, they are all over the world. You just have to find them, put them all together in one place and bingo: You have our own sect or religion.
"Whoever raised a dead person back to life would be declared the winner." They couldn't have just done rock paper scissors?
Ok, this should have like thousands of likes! OMG!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@CamilleGG451 XD
Well that would destroy the plot if they did that
Well my father didn’t even intend to participate so it’s kind of asinine.
If neither of them can raise the dead, do they both lose?
Surely that's the sign to get the hell out, well that and it being any form of organised religion.
Fun fact, the FBI didn't just play loud music to keep the followers awake, they also played recordings of the screams of dying rabbits. Which, if you never heard those before, are the most terrifying thing ever.
Oh god.
“fun fact” you and I have very different definitions of fun💀
😶
Not the most terrying thing but k
@@ember-evergarden cringe
Some of those Koresh photos are not Koresh. They are photos of Taylor Kitsch the actor who played Koresh in "Waco," a miniseries that aired last year.
Ha, you don't say?
Dude looks exactly like Koresh an uncanny resemblance
Thank you for posting this. Unlike the first commentor, I haven’t seen the miniseries and was taken aback by the first picture. Literally came down to the comments to see if anyone else commented about the similarity. Saved me from looking stupid. Definitely going to look into the show. 👍🏻
@@mogwai247 It covers Ruby Ridge as well if your interested
I watched that miniseries. He’s buried in Tyler Texas where I live
WACO - We Ain't Comin' Out
Oh they did, they just came out in body bags.
I see what you did there
More like ' Whacko'.
They (atf/fbi) were supposedly still shooting at the people inside as the fire burned (according to eyewitness testimony)
@@chrisshutt3607
Not surprised, people lose it...
My dad once met this guy at his church, he felt bad vibes coming off him and he did not agree with what he would talk about, so one day he said that he would meet up with him, so David told him to come to a certain place so that he could join in on one of his sermons, so my dad came to the place that David told him his sermon would be. When my dad walked into the building, David was sitting on a chair in a room filled with people all sitting down on the floor next to the walls of the room, there was a chair opposite to him on the other side of the room, he told my dad to take a seat in that chair and when he did David began his sermon, he wasn’t talking to my dad specifically but he was talking about the things that my dad believed in and twisted them, he would take passages from the Bible and put a twist on them, he would talk very quickly and would move from subject to subject quickly not allowing my dad to think or dwell on what he had just said, my dad did felt very uncomfortable and felt an evil presence in the room, he tried to get up from his chair but he said that it literally felt like there were people holding him down to the chair, there was no one next to my dad when he was sitting down yet he said that he felt people holding down stopping him from leaving the chair. My dad started to pray to God for strength to leave and eventually he stood up and told David that he was going to leave, and as he started to walk out, David stood up and followed my dad continuing his sermon, David began to sound angry as he followed my dad out, my dad did get out and he never saw David again, my dad also learned that David was using a brainwashing technique by talking quickly and moving from subject to subject quickly and not giving the brain time to think, my dad says that this was one of the scariest moments in his entire life, he said that when he was in that room with David, he thought that there were evil angels right next to him and holding him in his place. This is just me telling what my dad told me from his experience with David Koresh
tl;dr, David Koresh tries to get my dad into his cult following but fails
A follow up on this, my dad had a few of his school friends and people that he knew that actually got brainwashed and became a part of David’s cult following. So yeah, be safe out there people!
That sounds…unsettling. Good for your dad for getting away.
This comment deserves more attention
One of his followers discussed this tactic in the A and E documentary. Do you know the technical term for this technique?
Sounds like David Koresh was manic. A little lithium or Depakote will fix him right up.
@@stevenmartinek815 lol I doubt you can call anyone on lithium or depakote "fixed up". Zombified if you're lucky.
"for some reason, the ATF decided not to arrest him while he was in town buying supplies"
Its called a "publicity stunt" Simon. They wanted the news choppers to record them raiding the compound and bringing out Koresh in handcuffs so they could look badass on TV.
And magically 3 different tapes of the front door confrontation, which would clearly show who shot first...."disappeared". What are the odds?
@@theshocker4626 About the same as Epstein's security cameras all malfunctioning.
It's called not wanting a gun battle in public streets.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 There wouldnt have been one. Koresh went to town alone or only with a couple of people. He kept the rest of the flock isolated back at the compound. The best way to avoid a gun battle would have been to nab him while he was in town.
@@theshocker4626 In the movie, it looked like the ATF ran directly into a firing line where the first Agents were killed. And you use chemical weapons in an enclosed space during an inversion; poking holes in a building with high wind is how to flame a building. There were recordings that were later produced that clearly showed that the Branch Davidians set the fires themselves, but hopefully lessons were learned as a lot of innocent people perished in the blaze.
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." - Matthew 7:15
yeah! we have all seen "devils advocate"
@Lord Publius I remember another quote, “even the devil can quote scripture.”
...Matthew Perry? Is that a "Friends" quote?
@Zett76 My brain is melting. I can’t tell the difference between sarcasm and genuineness anymore.
@@littlejuliuscaesar8920 ...I'm just wondering, because Matthew said a LOT of wise-sounding things, according to the internet...
“dropped out during his junior year at Garland High School”
Me, a sophomore at Garland: 👁👄👁
Probably don't drop out.
Maybe you're the next messiah:)
As long as you don't believe in Sky daddy, nobody has anything to worry about.
No be smart go to college get a real education! Make big money & you don't need to be a self proclaimed profit! Which is just a path to tragedy all the way around! 😲😲😲😲😲😲
Transfer now to Mount Carmel seminary school. I believe they still have a few openings.
I’m just here thinking this is absurd.
The messiah doesn’t need glasses
Charles Romero Great point!
Why not? Please stop ruining my plans as I am wearing them. You can't tell me I am not messiah because of it. 🤓
(S)He might, if (s)he wanted to look smarter
What if it's for a Clark Kent kind of thing?
And humanity needs to save itself anyway
The way authorities handled Waco was staggering in its stupidly talk about a Bull in a China shop.
boomerhgt yes and their info was bogus
I remember this. One of the main problems was the Attorney General, Janet Reno's, total incompetence. She should never have been involved in this operation. Clinton made it a goal to appoint a lot of women to positions in his administration, more than one of them, such as Zoe Baird and Lani Guinier proved not to be qualified, and were rather quickly replaced. Reno, unfortunately, was not, and caved to pressure from Clinton to end the standoff, and that proved disastrous.
It was also Attorney General Reno who threatened legal action against banks that refused to sell low interest mortgages to high risk people, who were often minorities, on the premise that not doing so was discriminatory. And it was the defaults on those mortgages were what caused the mortgage crisis, resulting in the subsequent economic collapse. Bush probably came to regret not replacing her when he took office.
@@PTS156
What David believed in was mostly from the bible, he's no better than any other prophet.
Federal Agents storming a building with supposed illegal weapons and no one thought about working with local sheriffs who had kept the peace for decades? Going to the door with a handful of unarmed agents with a SMALL tactical team behind them wouldn't have been a better option? It's not like the Branch Davidians were like some of the militia's a white supremacist groups who openly talk about "overthrowing the government" and "revolution." The people who stayed at Mt. Carmel obviously had no problem with David Koresh OR his leadership otherwise they would have left like some did YEARS before 1992. I think it's weird to think pork is wrong but Muslims and Jews avoid it. That's their belief, not mine. I respect that. I think it's weird that some churches handle live snakes, but that's their belief, not mine. Some may think I am weird because I respect all religions and believe that whatever brings you peace without harming others is okay., but that's my belief. It's sad how no one stood up for them and their rights as HUMAN BEINGS AND AMERICAN CITIZENS.
Moscow theater crisis
Me: “Damn what could make someone turn out this poorly”
Simon: “The kids called him Mr. Retardo”
Me: “Ah, that’ll do it”
LMAAAAAAAO
@@gussampson5029not entirely sure what’s so funny
Yeah. There’s times when you feel bad for these shitty ppl but then they start becoming murderous cult leaders and you’re like “yikes!”
I need to stop binge watching these but you guys do it so well I’m hooked 👍🏻 great work as always .
Right?! I never thought I'd be so fascinated by a 17:00 minute video about Andre the Giant or Nero but I'm pretty grateful for this channel
It’s true...
Dude I still have work to do today and I can't stop lol
I'm there with you
Waco: The Aftermath 👌
David used to come hear a band in Dallas called Shock Tu. My ex was in that band. You can imagine the stun when I was watching the attack on the compound LIVE and they put up his picture! I had seen him several times there. To this day I cannot comprehend why the ATF did not arrest him while he was out of the compound. That the raid and storming was televised. That struck me as the government attempting to show what badasses they were. It was a disgusting spectacle. Koresh should have been arrested anywhere else and the lives of those idiots that followed him would still be alive.
I remember reading somewhere in an inteview with someone from the ATF saying that they didn't want to arrest him outside of the compound due to the risk that his heavily armed followers would try to rescue him wich would put a serious amount of people at danger. Don't know if that is an explanation they come up with afterwards, but it seems plausible that the ATF would think that way.
spot on
ZeroneAngel they might think that way but it seems pretty weak. The federal govt coulda put him anywhere they wanted to. And they were religious fanatics but not necessarily mercenaries, chances are they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything. Without Koresh calling the shots it’s possible they would have opened the compound to the ATF but who knows; maybe it’s true what they said and maybe An arrest of Koresh would’ve made things worse. I believe they still could’ve handled it different.
@@ZeroneAngel To be fair, unless they physically prevented any reporters from actually reporting on the scene (which in America is... well, pretty common) they just would've kept on doing it, just from a farther away location, lower quality recordings or more sneakily.
We must remember during this time the militia was gaining a movement across America and a strong message was needed to show others what would happen if you think you can take on the government..the real oddity was the fact that the ATF actually built a mock up of the building ..I mean since when do they ever do that? They could have got him anytime as he jogged and he even said he would meet them since he felt they had no case against ..what typically happens is they work up a physiological profile to predict how he would likely react to cause a stand off media spectacle and then on the windiest day they punch holes in the building to ventilate and when the fire started, even shot those escaping on the back side out of view of media cameras and of course the fire started up wind and swept quickly to the other end ,they certainly had no fire equipment in place as a common sense precaution ..I believe a couple of Clinton’s enemies were “dispatched “ in the process as an added agenda rolled into the sick plan.
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
ITS MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS
Matt Gales It’s ‘The Life of Brian’. You got the Monty Python bit correct, though.
There's a mess in here, but no messiah!
Just be glad the Spanish Inquisition didn't show up. No one ever expects them...
He's the Christian David Miscavage
Without question he was a evil deceiver. Having said that it’s fair to say that Janet Reno and the government handled this situation very poorly .
There's no situation that went handed over to the government will ever turn out well.
@B N Braughton tomato tomotto. I mean really at what point does it become mass murder? One could say that destroying an ant colony is also mass murder. How do you justify being ok with those people not being held accountable for their actions?
@B N Braughton if you subscribe to the belief of the sanctity of life, isn't that a blanket belief over ALL life, or just human life? Why do we consider some lives more valuable than others? And who decides? It seems to me the sanctity of life thing is something we made up and really, there is no universal sanctity, which makes human lives, according to nature, no more valuable than an ant's.
@TermsofService handle what? There was nothing to handle. There was no problem until the government created one
@@ghostrider2664 what actions aside from Koresh those people were not criminals
"I'm the modern day reincarnation of an ancient Persian King."
Yeah...........ok.
Iran called and they want their crazy back.
And they call me Mr. Retardo.
Hey, they’d believe him if he’s told them he was the second coming of Christ!
Saddam thought he was Nebuchadnezzar 😆
Bible verses are like sweet honey, the wisdom correlated to our life and the human condition so well.
"This baby is part of God's divine arrangement"
**miscarries**
God pulled the plug on that divine arrangement
@@kiiltochii1607 lol nice
Could be the parents arrangement.....The true test is Continuing to have faith in God after miscarrying or other tragedies such as deaths. Having the strength in your faith when you are low, instead of blaming God or losing faith.
@@lonismith6491 I think it's more about biology than faith. At 60, most women will miscarry. Perhaps a bit of intelligence could be mixed in with faith.
I doubt that she was ever pregnant at all. She was in her 60s!
CPS is the most usless thing to ever be created.
It's useful for kidnapping children and leaving them with predators.
ATF: Hold my confiscated beer
They aren't police. They are social workers. They can't legally do much without evidence and lying to them is not punishable. For them to be able to do what people want them to do would require a few extra laws.
@@MrrMechassult yes I know this I did CPS for 2 years before I left bc we had no power. They need to fix this part of the system asap.
@@Rbl484
BS. CPS has too much power. They destroy the lives of families with very little evidence. They protect those with influence.
I won't go into the the far more disgusting inner workings of this evil government sanctioned trafficking cabal.
I aint an apologist of his, and it was perhaps always destined to end tragically. But the actions of the ATF in this case has always struck me as problematic to say the least.
It's your opinion and if someone wants to contradict you must do it with some solid arguments.
@@romelnegut2005 or they can just offer their own similarly unfounded opinion
I don't think the gas canister started the fire 6 hrs later. The canisters supposedly had a remote chance of causing extreme heat at detonation, but that would start a fire immediately. There were grenades explosives and incendiaries in the complex and everyone was inhibited by CS gas and religious psychotics. My money is always on accidental or intentional from within
Ty T That is true as well.
No it was caused by the canisters.
FBI Agent: We assure you that this is not another siege
*Tank proceeds to smash through wall spewing toxic gas everywhere while blasting Metallica*
That entire operation was a mess
FBI really fucked up how they tried to do it, but David Koresh wasn't some hero
Just another crazy man who thinks he's Jesus, and attempts to get ready for a doomsday prophecy by possibly being the reason it starts
The issue is just how the Government dealt with him
Having a shoot out and then trying to get people out, but using poor methods to do so
And in general not realizing that the Gasoline the Davidites spread along with the tear gas caused a Fire
they set the fires that killed all those people don't believe a word from this professional shill.
@@yanyu8989 Geeze relax, I was just making a joke
just to clarify it was tear gas, not toxic gas, and it was a fire that caused the deaths of everyone (which side caused the fire is highly disputed and I won't call names because it's very controversial)
@@quinnholloway5400 Yeah, David Koresh is crazy and his bunch of gunmen are a threat, however the FBI handled it at the expense of a lot of innocent followers being burned alive
I’m always pleasantly surprised with the new episodes. I always find myself doing more research on the people covered in this series. Thank you for that!
Yea just a great channel.. Since the day he made me discover aspects of nazi party officials' lives I didn't expect to find in classical documentaries (maybe only in books and biographies), I began to appreciate the whole content of this channel... Very useful
Me too
Always enjoy this channel hope he makes one of these on Anton le vey
The way the American government handled this entire ordeal is a complete joke to humanity & civil morality.
Usually the case when government gets involved with just about everything.
@@hotelworker812 2 real dumb comments from 2 real dumb people
they shod raid every Church like this
or as i call them Pedo Temples
There we pedophiles.
@@laysdong - it was a good thing that everyone was incinerated?
Seeing what Koresh’s youth was like makes me think of “Dazed and Confused” since it took place in Texas. This story is such an encapsulation of U.S. culture.
Not at all. Maybe a VERY small subculture.
Charlotte Rawlins I guess what I meant is that the mixture of militarism, religious fervor, and sex and rock and roll (we can say the drugs used were the “opium of the masses”) is very on theme with u.s. values. I didn’t mean that the US is full of militia cults, but a lot of people seem to aspire to it.
"The more religious they get, the more 'thou shalt not commit murder' becomes negotiable."
True the more religious they get the more the government wants to murder them
RIP George Carlin
Atheistic communism was by a wide, wide margin the philosophy/belief system under which more people were killed in the 20th century than any traditional religion. The problem is human beings' readiness to give blind adherence to authoritarian ideologies, which by no means need to be metaphysical or religious in the traditional sense.
@TermsofService That fedora might be a bit tight on yer head there, Mr. self-styled "Free Thinker." Yes, Hollywood, that cesspit of pedophilia, is just FULL of "religious" people, isn't it? And the Jeff Epstein sex trafficking/blackmail operation just screams "intolerant Christian," doesn't it? --just a little food for thought from a nonreligious person who doesn't make a fetish of it. And the naive faith in government (hint: they are not your parents, unless your parents were more interested in controlling and profiting from you than anything else) your comment implies is bordering on hilarious.
True
"The world will end in 1959!" Doesn't happen: continues to have followers.......(America has no shortage of sheep.)
I'm pretty sure the whole world has religious kooks.
Hillary voter?
Isn't that the truth 60 some million sheep voted for Hillary Clinton. The weak minded shall inherit the earth. Just watch the first few minutes of the movie Idiocracy and that's what is happening.
If that surprises you, you should look up Jehova's witnesses' predicition and how many times they were wrong.
America may not have a shortage of sheep but sheep from many countries and all over Europe came here to be led by David.
Fun fact: the ATF’s report was recently declassified and it was indeed their tear gas that started the fire that killed so many...a sad situation all around
I think it was kind of a mix of the gasoline that the davidians spread around as evidenced by the audio logs from the bugs they placed on milk cans, and some of the incendiary tear gas cans they used.
Liar. The report did NOT say that.
@@DominicNJ73 Me or the other guy?
Does it matter? The global IQ bumped up a few points when those morons went up in smoke.
@@andrewince8824 shame those poor 25 kids died too
Abrams tank with CS gas smashing through the wall....
"Do not shoot, this is not an assault!"
I was walking down the road one day when I saw a gentleman on a bridge about to jump.
"Stop", I yelled, "Jesus loves you. Are you a Christian"
"yes"
"me too! Protestant or Catholic?"
"Protestant"
"Me too. Flat earth or round earth"
"Flat"
"Me too. Old earth or young?"
"Young."
"Me too. 7th day adventist?"
"yeah"
"Me too. Pro-life or Pro-choice"
"Well, I believe abortion is a sin"
"Me too. What about homosexuality?"
"I believe that's also a sin"
"Me too. Do you reckon the pastor was right about jesus coming back on 5th June 2019?"
"Well, I believe it'll be 2020"
"Heathen" I yelled and pushed him off the bridge.
(Adapted from Groucho Marx)
Goes to show that good irreverence never gets old!
@@christineparis5607 Especially when the same wackos keep making the same claims about "the apocalypse." In 10 years, we'll just need to edit the year & this skit will still be 100% relevant.
Should've jumped at flat☺
Lol 😂
It's What A Cook Out
The people who use to call David as "Mr. Retardo" as a kid and witnessed what happened at Waco: 👁👄👁
They say "we knew the kid was messed up."
@@2degucitas some would say " and some of us are responsible for it"
Me who wasn’t even born yet: 👁 👄 👁
@@KrimetTStarKiller the FBI wasn’t responsible the only one that is, is Koresh he had every chance to peacefully come out and surrender and he chose not too
i was about to sip my coffee as i read your comment, but then stopped as i didn't want to spit it all over my screen. 🤣
I've heard the phone calls David made to the police during the raid. He wasn't exactly helping the matter, he told the police he would surrender multiple times and did not, he only let the children who weren't his leave and no one else despite saying he would let everyone go. The ATF definitely could have handled the situation better, arresting David while he was in town definitely was the best option in my opinion (by no means am I an expert on the matter) but the ATF tried their hardest to find a peaceful resolution AFTER the first shots were fired. They even offered to help anyone who was wounded on David's side, but David either lied to them or refused at every turn. I can't blame the ATF for finally going on the attack (EDIT: with tear gas) after giving those people months to surrender peacefully. It is a tragic situation and I truly wish so many people didn't have to die in the end, especially those innocent children who didn't choose to be there, but they decided what they believed in was above the law and that they were willing to die for it. Once I heard the audio from the bugs in David's compound of his followers saying "Pour the gas, David said pour the gas" I lost all my sympathy for those people, I only wish the children didn't have to die because of bad decisions by their parents... The adults chose their fate but those kids didn't choose anything...
This was a great video by the way, I wasn't criticising, I just find this subject fascinating and I love to talk about it when it gets brought up. (EDIT: The only complaint I have is that Simon made it seem like the raid happened much faster than it actually did. This raid lasted months.)
Edit: I truly recommend anyone with interest on this subject go and watch the Netflix documentary Oklahoma City, as you may guess by the title, it's mainly about The Oklahoma City Bombing and the infamous Timothy McVeigh but there is a lengthy section where they discuss the Waco incident in great detail and with witnesses from both sides of the event. The Ruby Ridge documentary on Netflix was also very good for the same reasons. Both documentaries are by PBS and definitely worth watching.
Great info...thanks!
Darth Revan ... a thing I find particular is the fact that most of the survivors look to be very fit and able individuals "just happened to be close enough to windows and doors to escape, while the most vulnerable were trapped in dead end "bunkers" ... before someone bleats on about keeping them "safe" from danger, stop and think WHY were these fit and able people stationed near doors and windows - to prevent TANKS for breaking down walls or keep people (their people) from fleeing?
This guy suffered from a messianic complex, there really is no talking to someone who has lost touch with reality to the point of thinking you are God incarnate.
Once the FBI arrived all operations were controlled by them, the ATF had no say in further proceedings. Based on their incompetence and amateurish operation it was best to relegate them to janitor duty or go-fers.
PBS really covered this incident very well. I'm terrified at how many people think just like Tim McVeigh did about the Waco siege. How long before one of them commits an act of terror, just like him?
And then they say the common man should be allowed to own any weapon. Anti-government people, you are the greatest argument _against_ the right to bear arms. Please stop your paranoia, or we will all lose our rights to self-defense because of it.
7 minutes in and all I'm hearing so far is that David Koresh was the first mid/late-2000s youth pastor
His followers had to be mentally retarded to listen ALL NIGHT to Koresh's stupid yammering.
And they want respect.
@Miss reign you don't have to bring pants into this. They are dorks because they are false.
See this is why I never entered the clergy. Modern Day organized religion is just too volatile. If they kept it to how it was Pre-Catholic Church it would be fine. Despite my affirmations however I have long accepted my destiny is not to be a preacher in any sort. People's lives are just to precious to be in mortal hands.
Or just liberals.
I'm so accustomed to a story about kings and power struggles 500 years go. The way he narrates it, I forget this is about a little church in Texas.
That was not an Abrams tank, it was a M113 armored personal carrier
The building was breached by the M728, but there were Abrams on site along withvthe M113, Bradleys, and an M88A1.
@@crankysaint what the orignal lad is contesting is that the images don't line up
Trae Herren well thank god we know exactly what tanks it was that wrecked their property
@@danielcruz3083 Thank god we live in a post-fact world where it doesn't matter if you're wrong so long as you get likes.
It was a Bradley tank that shot fire into the compound. Video of which has since been taken down. I should have recorded it, to prove my point, but hey
You should do Timothy MCveigh biography next. His actions was in response to the Waco raid.
Great video as always Simone!
Yeah an example of that was the unabomber...
Yep and a very intelligent one...
was there not also a tie-in to the events at Ruby Ridge? Another tragedy that shoulda/coulda been handled very differently. But I would also be interested in hearing about T. McVeigh & Oklahoma city
@@jobanh7ify weird Kaczynski factoid: he was involved as a subject in a part of the MKUltra program, around the time he was at Harvard College
Like you said it wasn't 100% because of Waco. It did contribute, but first Timothy was up at Ruby Ridge. Though Even before either of those he served in the US military during Operation Desert storm, and one of the key things that made him do what he did was doing things in Iraq that made him feel like he as a state actor was killing innocence. When he got home he found it harder to get a job than expected and kind of just drifted around from gunshow to gunshow where he got hooked up with factions of white extremists who saw the events of ruby ridge and waco texas as the American government attacking it's people. So he decided to build a bomb that he thought would set off a race war. Instead he hurt countless people and was sentenced to death.
0:30 - Chapter 1 - Early life
2:25 - Chapter 2 - A religious bent
4:10 - Chapter 3 - Finding the branch davidians
6:50 - Chapter 4 - Battling for control
9:35 - Chapter 5 - Enter david koresh
12:25 - Chapter 6 - Arming the fortress
15:50 - Chapter 7 - The siege
18:10 - Chapter 8 - End times
So very informative and engaging to hear the perspective after time has elapsed. The story I heard during the time was quite different. What I do recall distinctly was that Janet Reno accepted the full blame for a horrible decision. I was in awe and respect. I had NEVER heard a government official accept blame for anything. The typical deal is to point the finger at someone else.
A lot of government officials take the blame when they make a mistake
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise except for the ones every major conspiracy theory speaks of
Reno took the blame at the time but President Bill Clinton had given the final go-ahead. When Mr. Clinton won re-election over Senator Robert Dole in 1996, he wanted to replace Reno. Reno told him that if he (essentially) fired her, she'd tell the public the full story of his culpability for Waco. Reno kept her job.
It is believed that ATF lied to - or at the very least severely exaggerated - Reno about the allegations of child abuse against David Koresh in order to get her approval for the final assault. Why 85 people needed to be gassed as punishment for the alleged actions of one man has yet to be explained, and with Reno's death and descent into Hell, probably never will be.
I remember coming from from school everyday and hearing about the siege only 45 miles north of us. What always struck me as odd was why the ATF behaved the way they did. This is Texas, we have a pretty "Don't tread on me" mentality. When the ATF just stormed in shooting all the dogs, of course they were going to get pushback. I believe the raid was done to show the strength of the federal government, but it backfired. Hindsight is 20/20, but I remember thinking back then they should have just arrested David Koresh in town.
Another Texas "celebrity" in a similar vein as David Koresh that might be an interesting biography is George Hennard. He lived only 1/2 mile from us in Belton, TX. He was the guy that drove his car into a Luby's and started shooting. I would ride by his house and always wondered what made him crack.
I live in Texas too, and thought the same thing. There were so many other ways to handle it that wouldn't leave led to so many casualties. It was all so surreal.
REDUX WACO
In 1993, the ATF conducted a raid on a compound outside Waco Texas that belonged to a religious cult called the “Branch Davidians.” Early in the morning, when they arrived, they found reporters from the local tv stations and newspapers were already waiting for them. Someone had broken security. Hundreds of ATF agents, along with tanks from Ft Hood and military personnel, surrounded the Branch Davidians and their leader, “David Koresh” in the compound. Koresh organized his followers to stay in the communal building. This set the stage for the second longest and definitely the largest siege situation in the history of US law enforcement. The longest siege occurred at Wounded Knee, South Dakota and began on February 27th, 1973 and ran for 71 days. It ended poorly for the government though no one was killed. It was then that the DOJ decided that they needed to come up with a strategy for dealing with groups of people who were not typical criminals, but were under the control of a charismatic leader like David Koresh. They decided that the preferred method was “decapitation” not in the sense of actually chopping off someone’s head, but in the sense that before there was any major movement of men surrounding compounds, they should arrest the leader when he was away from his followers. This way, they could prevent the leader from rallying his people to resist, making the arrest that much quicker, easier and safer. They could have done this with Koresh because every week, he went into town to the post office to collect the mail for the group. This was a formal safety procedure written in the DOJ Field Manual for all law enforcement agents of the Federal government. So the big question is, “Why didn’t they follow their own safety regulations?” In the end, this mistake cost 75 of the Branch Davidians and two federal agents their lives.
But, in the end, the public was told that it was Janet Reno who was responsible because she ordered the raid to begin. She stood up and took full responsibility. But, she was never fired. Instead, she went on to become the only Attorney General in history to serve two terms with the same president. According to Dick Morris, advisor to President Clinton, Janet Reno had “blackmailed” Clinton into keeping her on. What could Janet Reno possibly have on Bill Clinton that would be more important than 77 dead people for which she was responsible? A: That she wasn’t actually responsible.
So what really happened at Waco, or rather at the planning stages of Waco? All sorts of things, no doubt, but one of those things that had to have happened is that some federal agents, (ATF or FBI) had to make the request to the White House for the use of those tanks and federal troops. You see, the Posse Comitatus Act, which was passed after Reconstruction in the 1800s, required that the president personally approve the use any military equipment or personnel in a civilian law enforcement operation. That means that someone from ATF/FBI had to have briefed the president on what the military was needed for. And since we know that the military were there, we know he had to have signed the orders. (Contrary to belief, the Attorney General is not really a general in the army.) So, the question is, didn’t they warn the president that surrounding the compound with Koresh in it was a guarantee that there would be a hold out? Either they did or they didn’t. Did they mislead the president resulting in all those deaths? Well, if they did, then it’s hard to explain why no one on the planning team was ever punished for it. Because at the very least, they were responsible for all those deaths. Not only was no one ever punished, they were all promoted within a year. That sounds like they must have done their job right and someone else was responsible for the screw up. But who and why? Er, maybe the guy who signed the orders? The first really big law that President Clinton pushed for in his first 100 days was the Assault Weapons Ban. And a big splashy raid, on a gang of crazies armed with 50 caliber rifles, in the Texas desert, broadcast every night on TV for a couple weeks was just the ticket to drum up support for the law. Except a couple of weeks turned into a couple of months.
In the aftermath of the raid, Congress appointed Senator John Danforth to investigate the raid. At the beginning, he announced that he would NOT be looking into anything that occurred before the ATF/FBI arrived at the compound. In other words, he would not investigate the planning stage where President Clinton had to have had some role. Why would he do that unless he already knew what he would find?
The only people who could tell the world what really happened are the people who took part in planning the raid and briefing the president. By now, all these people are safely in retirement and they can’t be punished without also indicting the Clintons. If Bill Clinton were innocent, then he should have been incensed that it happened at all. He didn’t punish anyone, not even Janet Reno. Janet Reno stepped up to the microphone and took responsibility for what happened, but she would have been briefed on everything that I’ve told you here. And this would explain why she was able to spend 8 full years as Attorney General.
Final Note: My Freedom of Information Act request to the Clinton Library for a copy of the order was not fulfilled. It was reportedly not in their archives.
@@joezingher4770
I can't stand the Clinton's, and I am an independent. Still, I usually hate it when people blame the Clinton's for everything from global warming to stale bread, because it's usually just hysteria combined with shrieking insults if you don't agree. That said, your argument is fascinating. You have obviously researched your subject and have presented it in a thoughtful, concise manner. Do you have an opinion on what J. Reno could have possibly known to lead her to take all blame in exchange for protecting her career? And what do you think Clinton had done that was so heinous that people had to die to cover it up? I know all the usual things people yell about, but I'm interested in what your opinion is. Thanks.
Don't even start on mentality. That's the exact thing Tim McVeigh thought when he saw this, which is why he killed 165 people in Oklahoma City. Do you want to validate the worst domestic terrorist in U.S. history?
US law enforcement loves military-style raids. There are quite a few examples of this, including a lot of innocent people who have been victims of this because of bureaucratic snafus or false tips from criminals who are trying to bargain with the police.
Yes this is Janet Reno’s legacy everyone will remember her ridiculous handling of this. Like it said in this article they could’ve taken him very easily when he was in town
Indeed. Some people attribute evil intent to her, but I just think she was incompetent.
@Deborah Fotopoulos: Whatever one thinks of Reno's legacy, it's orders of magnitude higher than that of Koresh.
@@apointofinterest8574 I agree. Reno was merely incompetent. Koresh was evil.
@@otisdylan9532 Koresh didnt gun down the ATF retreating when they ran out of ammo the first time.. ATF and FBI shot at people trying to leave the compound after setting it on fire. Or do your MSM news sources not say this and therefore isnt true? You are brainwashed beyond repair. I bet you look at Ruby Ridge and think the govt was in the right there too.
@@Cha0sLord93 Bless your heart.
I'm fascinated with the Waco massacre. David was a real quack but the government was out for blood. So sad so many died.
True
@TermsofService right-so that justifies killing women and children....when they could have arrested him on one of his outings...you betcha. Read about the siege sometime. There is such a thhig as due process and not woop-ass.
Jadee McLerran I still am too. I watched it happen on live tv.
TermsofService agreed! They still however probably could’ve handled it different.
TermsofService probably the reason for your weak user name and no user pic. I bet you’re aggressive and shitty to everybody in every comment thread you visit.
I cannot get the thought of an old woman yelling "SPUTNIK!!!" in Texas.
Wignall the Bastard
Perhaps “Ball of Fire.”
I didn't think hypnotism was possible until I found this series........must watch..must watch...
David koresh the real life Johnathan seed for those of you who don't know Mr seed is from Far Cry 5
Mix religious crazy with Texas crazy and that's some serious crazy!
They call it Wacko, Texas for a reason.
its not called wacko its call WAY-CO
whoosh..
r/whoosh
...along with Washington DC crazy. Sick situation.
I definitely remember this on tv, i was young teenager back then. What a crazy experience that was. Great video Simon, as always!
I don't know whether or not to be glad that I wasn't old enough to remember it......
Just found this channel yesterday - it's great. Thanks for the informative videos.
This guy has a few channels doing similar video formats. This one's Biographics, there's one called Today I Found Out, and I know there's a third one. The name honestly escapes me. Maybe someone else can answer the third channels name for me
I'm almost sure that the other channels you're thinking about are "Top Tenz" & "Visual Politik".
Better late than never
@@jalapenohiway ah, so there's more than 3 channels. Sweet. Thanks.
Welcome to the family!
The raid of the “Branch Davidian” Compound happened in 1993 not 1992
"A fire broke out"
A few minutes of research and you could have added the "cause"of that fire...
He wants to keep his channel, I guess.
According to the internet, the Branch Davidians started the fire. But somehow I think that is not the cause you believe to be the origin of the fire.
Im honestly curious about your opinion :)
@Jason Coomer What was the cause of the fire? I thought it was a smoke grenade or flashbang catching on the building materials.
Ben Siener I’ve had experience using gas grenades and how they operate is basically burning the materials inside the grenade in order to put off gas. This means they run extremely hot and can occasionally spit sparks if built incorrectly. If a grenade had been dropped directly inside an opening and faced either toward carpet or a wall it would catch fire especially considering the building was built from wood. We also don’t know exactly what other stuff was in the building at the time. I could have landed in an ammo container for all we know.
If the gas was pushing people away from it and was obscuring the flames, it not a leap in logic that it would have gotten out of hand quickly. I personally don’t think that some kooky cult in the middle of nowhere would have been enough of a threat or assistance to global elites to even ping on their radar. I think the ATF botched the raid and should have just waited them out at a distance after cutting off power. It wouldn’t be the first time law enforcement messed up, killed people, and swept it under the rug especially the Feds.
If you want a really weird story, search for The Finders. That one has some real messed up stuff behind it and the FBI Archive Vault on Twitter released their investigation documents behind that case recently. Included in the documents is a map of the tunnels underneath McMartin preschool. That case was dismissed as Satanic Panic but that map is evidence that that accusation had merit.
"The FBI has arrived to 'investigate', this would be like getting in a fight with the neighbor boy, whipping him, and then his bigger, older brother comes over to 'investigate ' ."-David Koresh
he said himself
why couldnt the fbi of just arrested him on his daily jogs or when he went for supplies in the nearby town
they didnt have to kill a bunch of innocents
Or he could have released them... like a true man of god would have...
C Marshall ... Perhaps but the reaction of his leaderless and heavy armed followers like would have resulted in wide-spread violence in attempts to free their leader. Plus the fact he, himself, had 51 DAYS to save the "innocents" but choose not differently.
Even the Police of Waco said the ATF F^^Ked up by not arresting Koresh in town. They said that they could have arrested Koresh peacefully at any time.
Michael Sanches ... Absolutely, but how do you think his followers would have reacted? Peacefully sitting on the steps outside,the Courthouse or storming into town guns blazing to free him? ATF screwed the pouch in their approach, yes, but to theorise a "simple, peaceful" arrest was a viable option is dangerously simplistic.
When you have an armed self-proclaimed Messiah, there is going to be pain. I would rather be on defense in the town than on offense attacking the compound.
Koresh knew his only chance for freedom would be via the courts. I think he would have told his people to back off, that it was God's will so that he could have a forum to the rest of the world (which is what he wanted.)
Alternately, since it was a Federal warrant, they could have immediately moved him anywhere in the country.
The parallels between Koresh and Jim Jones are impossible to ignore.
Step by step, it's a mirror.
I lived an hour and a half away when that happened. I was in high school at the time and I remember how we all felt like "See, this is why everybody thinks everyone in Texas is nuts."
At least we have "Florida Man" to blame things on now.
Yeah...many do tend to think that people in Texas and Florida and West Virginia are a “different breed”
More useful during a war, no doubt.
6:25
Lois: "It's god's divine arrangement"
God: "Nope"
Not every abused child turns into a nut job
But almost all nut jobs are formally abused children. I don't think anyone said that all abused children are nutjobs. I don't think humanity would have survived beyond the dark ages if that was the case as children being viewed as precious beings are a recent thing
i agree, my point is that i have no pity for people like this despite their tumultuous upbringing
skyler, I do.
Most don't. It's a complex - a combination of nurture and nature.
We obviously hear about these types of tragedies that were shaped by people who were abused as children. How about the hundreds of millions of abused children who just plain failed to thrive? That's almost sadder to me; a life of fear, pain, and the inner voice that constantly tells you that you're no good. And what's even worse, knowing that it's not true and still unable to break free.
I don't know how true this is. But the reason the Davidians knew about the raid in advance was because somehow the story leaked to the press and a news cameraman was despatched to the scene. It's said he got lost on his way to Waco and asked for directions to the compound from a local. It turned out that the local was a member of the Davidians who happened to be out and about that day. He ran to a phone booth and called Koresh to let him know that something big was about to happen at the compound, and this gave the Davidians time to arm themselves. Whether or not this happened remains unclear but what ever the case the Davidians knew about the raid in advance.
Who else is here after watching Waco on Netflix? 🖐🏿
if not i wouldn't know how many times this vid uses the picture of the actor who played koresh instead of koresh.....
Yep... nothing else to do
Underwhelming vid that isnt as indeph, honest, and fair as the Waco series, I'm pretty disappointed as I was expecting a sophisticated, indeph look into the siege and David's head and mindset from this channel, but nope.
I watched the Hulu one, doing Netflix tonight
Garrett Blyat this channel is pretty biased against anyone who doesn’t follow mainstream ideology
"Do as I say, dont do as I do."
I lived in Palestine, Texas, in 1986-1988 and had a friend who was a midwife. I remember her telling me about delivering a baby for some "weird people that live in school buses." She said they were really strange and that she wasn't going to go out there again. It was probably a wise decision.
I remember seeing all the news coverage of the Waco siege when I was a kid. I also remember pronouncing it as Wacko.
We in Texas called it Wacko Waco
Yea I call it Wacko and I like maybe an hour away
As always, another excellent biography from Biographics. Just to note, the raid, ambush and death of David Koresh occurred in 1993, not 1992.
Excellent?? You've got to be kidding me. This is the biggest load of bull ever. He spun this so hard
Such an amazing video that he got the date wrong, uses photos from a miniseries, and ignores the confession from the FBI that they used incendiary tear gas at Waco, likely causing the fire.
Not excellent, the host makes a lot of claims, without supporting them.
@@moonfish3638 the Australian waco fire survivor says the cult started the fire, you can blame your feds for everything leading up to it but ultimately the cult killed the kids
Makes you think what other dates have gotten wrong if one didn't know any better
The good ole resurrection-contest bait-and-switch -- works every time.
Note: The Branch Davidians still exist, and are still widely condemned by most SDA communities.
I’ve had a few chats with an SDA friend of mine about the sect.
Really?? That's interesting. I didn't know the BDs were still active. I Know some SDAs and they always seem extremely rational and reasonable. Not like the wacky BDs.
Charlotte Rawlins most SDAs are fairly rational people. I’m good friends with an SDA family, and have gotten to understand their beliefs a bit more. I don’t agree with much of it (I’m not a Christian), but it’s an interesting sect. They disavowed the BDs decades ago. And the BDs are separatists if a separatist branch. The few BDs still around are nothing like Koresh was. Also if you want a more in-depth account of the Waco Siege check out the podcast “American Scandal”. The current season is about Waco.
It sounds like he caught Jerusalem Syndrome when he visited there.
What? Is that supposed to be a Jewish joke or terrorist line
@@scl1332 it's a real thing.. many people go to Israel and leave convinced they are some sort of prophet
@@Three_Sevens Hmm...been to Israel. Beautiful country with great people. Never supposed that I acquired a prophetic gift while there.
@@stevehicks8944 no one asked
You have the best set up. Quick intros, quick logo and amazing content that flows coherently and is very easy to follow. Keep up the good work.
Just want to say I’ve recently found this channel and have became addicted, great content guys keep it coming 👍
Spelling Question: Shouldn't the title be "David Koresh: The Life that Led to Waco" rather than "David Koresh: The Life that Lead to Waco"?
Well I am seventh day Adventist, I didn't even think someone like this can come out of our church!! Good Lord
ATF : Sends in the tanks, but has the negotiator call and say it's not an attack...
Only in Texas
The biographics about killers are always my favorite you really manage to go into a lot more detail than other RUclipsrs
Koresh and his ppl didn't kill anyone or planned it. They were slaughtered by the government
amazing grace, how sweet the sound
that saved a wretch...
like meeeee.
i told you god wouldn't let you take me.
And it was 1993, not 1992.
ty
Ty. Was watching video like "Uhhhh ur off by whole year dude." Knew that cuz Waco my hometown & was in 5th grade when this went down. (No, not a survivor lol)
Just like about half of this info in the video, wrong.
@@dwarden3 well it is the internet and sometimes things are wrong
Satan is reported to have said; "ye shall be as god's".... and ironically, it appears that history is flooded with men who insist upon acting this folly out.
One Man 1970 is that true where did you get that information
@@brettwyatt7165 Genesis 3:4,5
I've been watching these vids for over 4h today. It's again too warm, so the best course of action is to focus on something interesting. My compliments & appreciation to everyone @ the Biographics team. Best wishes & also hello Simon! :)
Do Alistair Crawley and Rasputin in October please
Love this channel, you work so hard with this and other channels I wish you all the success as it’s well deserved.
As a historian I am interested in what really happened and the government story has a bunch of holes in it you could literally drive a tank through. Footage taken at the time surfaced much later showing followers being gunned down as they tried to escape the burning buildings. Koresh was a nut-job no doubt but it seems very likely that the authorities massively over-reacted and probably killed non-combatants including women and children.
The followers of Koresh could have just sent the children away out of the compound to save their lives from possible accidental death or suicide by cop, so that is all on them.
@@easyenetwork2023 hey genius the law enforcement bulldozed all the local compound exits in an attempt to keep KORESH from escaping. They didn’t give two fucks about the women and children as long as they got their man.
@@jacobchapman1563 also I hope this is sarcasm but it’s lowkey hard to tell
@@easyenetwork2023so your saying you would give your children to the same people who just Murdered and Tortured your friends and family?
Could you say where this footage is?
Good Lord. I thought the Branch Davidians were named after David Koresh. Hahaha. I should give my degree back. 😏
This whole time I thought it was "Dividians" like divide. Whoops
Me too
Ha, funny... I barely know anything about these folk either, so don't feel bad...
I thought davidians came from David as well. They thought he was their messiah after all.
People like you are why I quit college.
I remember when this went down on tv, still today when I hear Waco, Texas this is what comes to mind !
It made Waco famous. Like Gettysburg.
As a Wacoan, this has long been a massive stain on our city. But it happened 40 miles away. Not that Waco isnt run by a bunch of Karens to begin with. But still.
@@jrcooper83 Understand, sorry. I live in Huron County Ohio, and this County is so dangerously corrupt, it needs to be told and shamed for all to know !
I watched the whole thing on tv, it was so tragic.
I did too. I felt really terrible for those poor kids. An adult can make the choice (or not) to join a cult--or stay in that compound (or not)--but those kids didn't stand a chance.
@@peggypeggy4137 Goverment jews can make such choices
these biography's are pretty cool
i love your concise yet detailed format, you make research for podcasts and such so much more pleasant.
You can think he and his cult were weird (they were), but what the US government did to them was a tragedy that led to even more deaths years later.
Colby Denton yeah the Oklahoma bombing
Hardly. The monopoly of violence belongs to the government in every land.
The Branch Davidion cult was weird, but it was actually pretty damn tame compared to the cult of statism, in which the government is revered as god like and state thugs are worshipped as heroes no matter what they do. The Branch Davidians did nothing wrong, the Waco incident was just another fine example of the government violently shutting down a peaceful commune.
@@libertopaeurekananarch7562 A peaceful commune...in which followers bought grenades and assault weapons, and in which women were raped, children abused, and men ordered to never make love to their wives.
...No, wait, that's not a peaceful commune. That's tyranny, fascism, and violence, justified by lunatic religion. You need to get your definitions right.
@@jamescarmody4713 women weren't raped and I'm not sure how a man not sleeping with his wife means he's not peaceful.
Led. The Life that LED to Waco.
08mlascelles the British obviously invented the language but during the industrial revolution you all dropped the r at the end of words and added random rules like adding Rs at the end of words like idea. example: the idear is. So Americans actually are closer to speaking true Old English than you British folk are.
^ boy, that escalated quickly.
I was a cop for 20 years. I have spoken with people (took L.E. classes from agents) who were there.... I know why the assault happened the way it did. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have American blood on their hands. I heard recordings of Agent Cavanaugh refusing to let the people come out as they begged to have the media cameras film their exit. FBI and ATF were in a budget year and looking to score a big case to get the lion's share of the budget money.... they both escalated this beyond what was needed. CS gas wasn't the only agent used at the compound! Then the cover-up happened. If the American people knew what was done and how the coverup happened, Clinton, Reno & 2 Delta Force Operators would have been jailed!
The ATF agent Robert Rodriguez then became a well know Hollywood director. Amazing!
Yeah, the government's always right, just like with Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge would have never happened if Randy Weaver had appeared in court on the appropriate day. His stupidity and stubbornness set the events in motion.
@@stevehicks8944 or maybe if they follow that part in the 2nd amendment that says “shall not be infringed” 🤔
They are always right
@@oscarherrera641 no one is infringing on the 2A
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise haha good one
Till this day, it still breaks my heart. Rest in peace little angels.
Another well crafted piece. A couple of the pictures are of a very good actor who appeared in a six part production called Waco. Matters not as I tend to listen more than veiw. He seemed like a cool guy to begin with, bit of a rebel. Unfortunately, like a lot of these people who obtain control over people's live they turn to the dark side
Fanatics double their speed when they lose their aim. "David" had the chance to be a good person but a slow decent into deception, carnal desires, and probable insanity ended his foolish reign of terror. Many died because of him.
This is a free country and you can follow anyone you want. No one died because of him. They died because of the power crazy government types.
Skimming through WACO videos atm and it's admirable what a principled stance against police/law enforcement brutality many commentors take.
I was very young at this time but I recall everything that occurred. Frankly it was very scary as a spectator as it was going on, I can't imagine how the children or his followers actually felt. Very sad times.
So that’s Waco, thank you. Have you done one on Ruby Ridge?
i just love this channel you actually learn something while being entertained
So basically a life of pendulum swings from extreme chastity to promiscuity over and over. Great video. Now do one about Janet Reno (also with a yellow thumbnail) about how she wanted to turn the situation into a PR opportunity.
I question your sources on this one. There was a lot of misinfo spread about this whole event and group to cover up the horrendous way law enforcement handled things. I still cant find any testimony that any children were being abused.
Theres a lot that isnt too clear about this event.
Yah!!
Agreed, causal research shows that Texas CPS investigated claims of sexual abuse aggressively and came up empty handed.
@@dontgettoknowm9864 The point is we don't know, there is no evidence. That was a story put out by the FBI after the case to make him look worse to justify their actions.
@Miss reign One person's crime still isn't justification for the murder of 100+ others.
As an addendum to the story, in subsequent interviews some of those that had been allowed to leave had stated that, prior to the raid some 40 or 50 of his followers had been planning to leave en masse. They had ceased to believe that the government was going to attack them and were losing faith. It was that raid that convinced them to stay, a raid that happened just one day before their planned exit from the compound. It is unknown whether or not that information was known to the governmental agents who conducted the raid or to Janet Reno and Rodriguez has not, himself ever verified or denied that that information was passed on to the federal agents, or that he even knew of it.
Yep definitely inspired several aspects of Joseph Seed in Far Cry 5.
Main inspiration, isn't he? Jim Jones is the inspiration behind Papa Knoth from Outlast II
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this: Simon, please do a biography of Bill Hicks!!!
The rockstar of comedy, yes!
You mean Alex Jones?
I DO like your, to me, even reporting. Very ‘matter-of-fact’. No sensationalism, no aggrandizement. Thank you.
While your information is spot on, several of the photos of “David” are actually of Taylor Kitsch, The Who portrayed David in the FX mini series Waco.
Spot on! Are you serious? Where were all the guns and grenades etc.?
I Absolutely love Simon Whistler videos, always have. That being said, and while I know it has already been commented on previously, only photos of the actual subject should be used in a fact base documentary type presentation. Using images of performers portraying the subject really should not be used if not directly referring to the adaptation said image is from. Especially since images of David Koresh (Vernon Howell) are plentiful and easily obtained.