I never said don't ride hahah just pick the appropriate trails. Hope to make it to Scotland this year for the EWS! Fingers crossed and will bring all the waterproof layers -Christina
Same here in Flanders, but I must add that most trails use public (dirt) roads and footpaths. We have a complete different set of problems, unleashed dogs, small children, horses, hikers, elderly people cycling ...
Absolutely agree. When smoking first became illegal inside businesses, restaurants, bars etc... as a non-smoker I initially thought the Karens had gone too far in some situations. One winter we had a long cold season with lots of snow. Suddenly it warmed up and the snow melted fast over 7 days. I was fortunate to work in a city surrounded by lakes. The melting snow from downtown funneled into huge urban storm sewers that in turn flushed into the lakes. I was fishing near shoreline soon after ice out. The water is at its clearest this time of year. Suddenly I saw something strange. What the hell is that over there? Motored the boat slowly over the “object”. Up to now I hadn’t known an underwater storm sewer was located here. There was a “plume” of cigarette butts about 50 yards long and 3 to 6 feet high made up entirely of cigarette butts on the lake bed! All the cigs smokers had tossed out on the sidewalks and roads throughout the winter and captured in the snow and ice were suddenly flushed en mass over the course of a couple days. After witnessing that I’ve had zero patience with all smokers who casually drop their cigarettes out car windows and on sidewalks. I will vote for all anti-smoking legislative involving public spaces.
@@dt8096 naw you're just not informed that cigarette filters are plastic and take a long time to break down. But I would expect that from someone who admits to leaving bottles in the woods
And don't #Secret trails#LocationName tag all your facebook/insta posts, just be GLAD that you know of these unofficial trails and enjoy them, long live local trails.
I don't claim to be a "Trail-Builder"... but i built A trail that people love in my local area and it really means a lot when people smile and say, "Hey, you're the guy that built Wyle Rocket, Thanks!" meant more than I thought it would, even more then the people that say they wanna help dig next time I dig... those are usually empty promises. Thanks means everything.
It drives me nuts to see all of the skidding in videos put out by bike companies. It isn't just that people don't know how to corner, it is all they see on everyone's edit. Also, to add one more to that list (from an experience last weekend) - do not give us a hard time about not being able to get by when we are working.
Yeah...I thought the idea of people not being skilled enough was a strange assumption. I definitely feel at a minimum its 30% of people doing for the gram. If its a true edit...at least send a shout out or warning about it.
I am skidding my own trails too. Doing it without breaking or low tire pressure doesn't make that much harm, especially a scandi flick can't be problem.
Giving us a hard time because we're holding them up by working on the trail they're riding? That's definitely not something to do to people swinging large, pointy tools. Seriously, most bikers thank us as they pass, but for the asshole 1%, we have an unwritten policy. For those special people, everybody working takes their sweet time stopping what they're doing and moving out of the way, and we could be spread out over a couple of hundred feet.
Yes this and also if someone is busy building (me atleast) and the trail is not finished don’t expect us to have an answer to when it’s done cuz we don’t control the weather/ our motivation or time
Yeah, enjoying nature and trying to cope with what she throws at me. I get the jumpy rollers but a jump created by erosion around a tree root just looks better. However, safety is key and it's good to know a trail is safe.
Mine is people taking our tools and using them to "help" build the trail. We leave the tools next to the trail so we don't have carry them up every time
"You wouldn't throw a granola bar wrapper in your mom's living room" -- apparently someone who's never met my kids. (They're actually far less likely to leave them on trails, though)
My biggest pet peeve has always been what I call the mediocrity committee. You know the people who make trails easier because they aren't good enough to ride them.
The local trail alliance people here do this. It annoys me. Not everyone is a green rider. Give me a challenge, not some G rated kiddy stuff. Trails have ratings for a reason.
Exactly. When we built trails or made improvements, we always made a line to go around for those who didn't have the skills. Unfortunately they often still destroyed the trails.
I agree. On my local trials "maintenance" meant removing the rocks so any beginner could ride it. Once met a local guy who said "We just want moderate trails so everyone can ride them". They seem to be a little better now about making some trails easy and some harder but they still take out the stuff that is really challenging for those of us that actually like it.
I think social media has a lot to answer for people shralping berms, I didn’t even know it could be done until I saw the pros do it online. Now everyone thinks it’s cool 🤷♂️
I think that schralping is sometimes a natural consequence of cornering a certain turn. If im right, you dont lock up your rear wheel to schralp, but schralping is helpful if there is not a big enough berm to help cornering.
Minturn bikepark in Colorado opened and it's already getting destroyed by people riding on the sides of features and skidding in the jump lines. I would tell them about their mistakes but they don't care and even talk back to you.
Minturn!!! Bike Park?! No way, I love that tiny town. Happy to hear it has a bike park now! Send them this video and they can talk back to me :-) -Christina
As far as I'm concerned, once a new trail has been eroded out in the rain to the roots and rocks and is a proper challenge - that's when it's been finally bedded in and worth riding. Trailbuilding in Scotland is pretty much: cut out track lightly directly down a slope, get an enduro race on it 2-3 times in the wet with a few hundred riders, profit from your new steep rocky, rooty track with minimal shovel time.
@@BkGE1996 Some of this new E-Bikes shouldnt be there the Torque they produce is like the same as Kids Motocross Bikes. It has insane power that can destroy the trail.
@@xbr2520 Great comment. I find the same thing. Ebikes are not the problem. Here on the Sunshine Coast in BC it is idiots on dirt bikes riding MB trails.
Yeah I don't see the ebike spinning tire issue and people that say it, I feel like have never ridden a ebike and just want to Hate! I'd say ebikes have 60% more traction while climbing! Haven't spun a single ebike tire
The thing that bugs me the most is when I build something in a local spot by my house with permission and spend a long time getting it right then I come back once it should be hard enough only to find that some took it down to build their own feature in the exact same spot.
I came across another YT channel the other day of duo of riders going to DH parks and at almost EVERY possible turn they were skidding and freeride skid whipping. They kept acting like it was the coolest thing and I just kinda sat there like "I don't know much but I think that can't be actually good for the trail" and sure enough! IT ISN'T! Also, littering? Really people? If you came in with it there's ZERO reason you can't leave with it.
I love how we have a video like this that urges you to not skid and I bet without too much effort I can find a different video on this channel that shows you it as a cool biking technique to learn :)
This comment needs to be re-worded. Everybody is unskilled at some point, we all have to start somewhere. Maybe if you see someone out on the trails doing something wrong, try and teach them the correct way. Approach the situation in a respectful way, and hopefully they will understand what you are saying/doing.
@@scottbradford4130 the trail system i speak of. Gas green blue and black trails.. yes. Beginners can try the trails. That's what the green loop is for.. when they get in over their heads or at trying to ride gnarly trails on their junk bike? Its dangerous for them and they damage the trails by being on a trail they aren't ready for...
@@scottbradford4130 if you're offended to the point of name calling? Its obvious you're the kinda guy I'm talking about... but.. if you want? Let's meet on the easy loop? And I'll teach ya some skills.. and etiquette.. or. Just be an angry huffy rider
Whenever we call these things out to the MTB community there are a few people who call us elitists or tell us that we are not their parents. There are enough disrespectful riders out there that make it hard to even want to volunteer my time building trails. Especially since the Pandemic and a bunch of new younger, usually male, riders come onto the scene. Most of them, when I look at their Facebook profiles, have ATV, MX Bikes, or 4x4s pictured. They have this attitude that they should be able to go onto the trail and do whatever they want with their big enduro bike. Pretty sad and I certainly hope that this isn't what mountain biking becomes. I ride BMX and Freeride and enjoy the jumps and technical features just as much as anyone else. That is why I got involved with the local trail building community, so features I like can be legitimately added. A lot of people worked really hard to not only create these trails but to advocate for them being built in the first place. Most local land managers, communities, and governments didn't want mountain bike trails because they were worried about the environmental damage. It's important to recognize this and not treat these trails in such a way they get closed down.
Great vid! At first I chuckled a bit when you said "riding when it's muddy"... it rains about 3 times a year here in Southern California, I've never seen mud. Although when I thought on it more, the rule still stands. If it rains, ALL HANDS ON DECK, it's about the only time you can build/repair/tweak a trail, never waste a wet dirt day on riding.
Great coverage of topics. I think one thing to include is the riding through puddles and not around. Riding through puddles prevents trail widening. I see most people go around puddles as to not get their feet wet, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. They are essentially ruining trail just for the sake of temporary discomfort. So please, suck it up and ride through puddles.
I'm a builder, and yes, skidding is a problem, but roosting isn't! I know how fun it is to roost corners, but a know that a lot of builders don't like it, so I just roost my own berms. And riding in the rain is not that bad, we have here a lot of clay and some ruts right in the middle of the trails after winter, but it gets ridden and it disappears in a few weeks
I don't mind people roosting corners if they are actually going fast, but it does bugs me when people go into the corner slow and at a shit angle just to get a cheater drift.
@@johnholloway691 To be honest im okay with E-bike to help pedal up. The Problem is manufacturers are now putting Giant motors on MTB, The power and weight it puts on the ground are not suitable for Hand Built trails. there should be a power limit for trails,
Thanks Christina for making the videos that might come across as wingy and moaning if I did it myself for our local spot. All of these factors have at one time or another been an issue here - riding jumps in the wet/mud, straight lining technical sections to go faster, litter, and most especially when we had to close the club during lockdown a small group came along tore down all the warning tape and signs and rode the hell out of everything and then bragged about it on social. Part of this is an educational issue, which hopefully your video can help with, but mainly it’s caused by riders that don’t build, that claim they don’t know what we are complaining about, or don’t care about the damage because next time they come along it’s been fixed yet again. One thing I hear all the time is “Chill out dude, It’s just Dirt!” I can’t be the only one who is incensed by such callous throw away comments? Also since the advent of ebikes this has got significantly worse, especially in the winter and given their skill level is very mixed due to the influx of new riders who’ve never ridden a normal bike. They can ride constantly when analogue bikers can’t and are probably digging for months on end, and they can do the same line so many more times that even when ridden with respect the wear and tear / maintenance is greatly increased. I’d like to see more ebike builders rather than the existing builders just taking on more work just to keep up. The trail builders of the world are a precious and invaluable asset that continues to be under valued and under appreciated. Thank you for continuing to shine a light on these trail legends who give so freely of their time, put everything they have into making the trails and jumps the best they can be and, except for a scant few, are most likely doing it completely unpaid. Dig on Diggers! 👍👍
There's an easy fix for this problem. Don't allow ebikes on mtb trails. Personally, I don't think they ever should have been allowed in the first place.
The three things on your list that irritate me the most is; the littering, straight lining a trail (add, cutting switchbacks), and most of all....dumbing down a trail by removing something from or smoothing out a section because it's "too hard". I absolutely love technical trails with features that you have to earn, especially a rocky, rooty climb. I hate when you've worked on your technique and finally clean a section, only to return another day and some rider has smoothed out that section because they prefer flow and can't or won't learn to better their riding abilities.
@@zGJungle I have actually had riders remove logs and branches I have placed to block off a cut through. Another odd thing is I have placed flat rocks in muddy sections to ride across and riders have ridden next to them, and the rocks I used weren't narrow by any means
My local trail system did something greatwith the flow trails: the black run was upgraded with bigger jumps and mandatory gaps. To compensate, the blue trail received several alternate jump lines.
Skidding: I blame RUclips influencers and commercials for that as well. I see skilled people skidding on RUclips a lot. I guess they do it to entertain their audience and advertisers put them in commercials to make their bikes look cool. So, people want to mimic it. I started riding mtn bikes since the inception of the mtn bike. (Yes, I am getting old.) And "leave no trace" was something that was taught from early on. It seems like the message has been lost.
definitely a couple of issues with this: firstly not doings scandy flicks, they're so fun to do, yeah its not the fast way to ride but I'm not trying to be fast I'm trying to have fun at the end of the day thats why the trails are there for people to have fun, secondly no riding in the mud, what the hell wet weather riding is so much fun, obviously you don't ride smooth jump or flow lines but hit the tech in the mud, its so fun. I wouldn't classify myself as a trail builder but do go and help out on dig days fairly often and really like seeing people have fun on stuff I've helped build, who cares if it is making it a bit rough to ride or means it needs a bit of maintenance, it's no big deal
I also hate the people that you see out ALL the time but magically never have time to show up to dig days. I think all mtb riders should do trail work once a year. Obviously there are guys that love it and will do it more often. For someone that loves to ride but not dig, pay your dues once a year
Completely unenforceable but I couldn't agree more. I did a ton of building last year and it made me appreciate and understand the trails so much better. I am a better rider for it. People seem to think trails get maintained by fairies or something. Understanding the amount of time and effort it takes goes a long way to how you treat them.
First rides in the spring in the Northeast or after a storm, I will pack a small folding pruning saw to clear small trees or branches that have fallen across the established trail, hopefully b4 a detour trail gets cut in.
There is drifting and there is “brapping” “shralping” “roosting” (all fancy words for skidding). One can be the fastest way or just happens when railing a muddy or loamy corner, the other is just deliberately blowing out the corner just to look cool.
Just watched George brannigans new queenstown shredit on pinkbike. I think Christina needs to have a word with him about how the trailbuilders would feel about what he did. His video is why people ride the way your describing because its perceived as cool and promoted as such. Good job practicing what you preach pinkbike
We had a sick log drop and some old gravel bike roadies put rocks at the bottom so they can go up it wtf is that down hill only is how it should be so build your trails so they are directional or they get destroyed thanks trail builders!
Can we just take a second and acknowledge that sometimes, well intentioned builders just don't plan out a corner or section of trail all that well? The corner cut, or straightline sometimes evolves because its just objectively a safer, better line.
As a trail designer/builder, I can definitely acknowledge that possibility, but it must be a minuscule percentage. Much more often, it's just people incapable of riding something, or geeking out on their Strava time. They had a cross-country race series on the JEM Trail network in Utah, and virtually every turn had been cut, probably by some dirt roadie trying to pass on narrow singletrack. That desert vegetation will take years to recover, if it even gets a chance. I can't believe the BLM let the race promoter get away with that.
I'm shocked my pet peeve wasn't on there.... Locking up your brakes before a corner creating the stupid chatter bumps going into a corner. Control your speed, and go easier on the brakes and lock em up. Guess its kinda related to "skidding" but sorta diffrent.
The only thing I'm confused about now is if I come to an area that drains poorly and is a muddy spot should I ride straight through it like I've seen talked about by other channels or should I avoid the mud? The argument ive heard is that its easier to fix a skinny muddy section than to fix a wide area where people rode around it.
If riding in the wet is a no-no, then I guess we can just stop riding May-December in Costa Rica. Here you just kind of try to enjoy the erosion of the rainy season. Even dirt/fire roads become extreme enduro tracks during the season with rideable lines changing from one day to the other if a bigger pour-down happens.... As for skidding: I am not sure it applies to "raw/natural" trails. Often times I feel that skidding helps form the otherwise loose trail into an actual trail-like trail. No, I am not skidding all-around on a hard-pack flow track, but when forming a new line, I think intentional skidding can help form it into a ride-able feature. (and yes, I know that depending on the place/country/forest/property "forming new lines" is also something you can or cannot do).... If it is a raw trail where a corner just sucks, making a shortcut - with or without a drop/jump/skinny feature - is something I consider to be just fine. But yep, altering someone's work is a different thing. Just my 2c ... when I was a kid it was 100% "illegal trails" ... you just looked into the forest, imagined a line, then went down with 10 of your friends, and kept repeating until it became a trail. Then you named it :) some stupid name ...
It's way harder than that. I'm a trail builder and build trails in my public mountain bike park. It is very hard to rought trails and get the permission to make legal trails. It's worth mentioning how discouraging it is when you are building a trail or a feature that you have closed because you are working on it or testing it and people open it up and ride it.
@@shredditsbiking Thanks for mentioning that. I can not tell you how many times I’ve come to a closed section of a favorite trail knowing the trail builder isn’t around that particular day and wanting to ride it saying to myself “What can it hurt?” Now I won’t be tempted. If I were a trail builder I can see why that would be irritating.
@@mrsmartypants_1 yeah. For instance. If there is a jump that hasn't been tested you dont know the style of lip that the builder has made. One time I made a 20ish foot gap finished making the lip but purposely made the lip to steep so I could shave a little dirt off after the weather packed it in. So I closed the trail. Came back to see the imprint of where someone hit the backside of the landing. He was my friend that thought since he knew me he could have a free pass. And compound fractured his ankle. No matter what it is the run out or a key feature may not be finished yet.
Nr 3 is why I always walk and inspect my local trail upwards, before descending it. You never know when some branched tree trunk or barbed wire will span across the trail.
on my local bike park a favourite trail has been closed for half a year for "maintenance" even though the only damage to the trail is the fire road to it (which is still easily used just has a big drainage rut) no trail builders have been or even considered repairing it and riders have been ignoring the sign saying "maintenance", what are your thoughts on this.
100%. Here in Ireland if you ride, you'll ride in the wet. Don't know what the story in the UK is, but here in Dublin trails get wrecked with so much use in a season, but they are also built without permission on public land so that goes with the territory?
Possibly the muddiest race I've ever been to was in Ireland. Had to clean my tires before and after each stage just to move on to the next one. Crazy fun crowd though! -Christina
A high speed scandi flick can be as fast if not faster and is also stylish as it is a fluid movement, and is also quite technical and can be harder then a flat corner with a tree on your inside shoulder ready to drop you, scandi slingshots you around it, when you've got it down pat. However skidding because you can't corner is worth hating and unnecessary destruction imo.
I wish the people in Ontario would understand what respect towards the trail builders is cause I've now wasted two month of my time building a badass line to have kids disrespect the crap out of my work when im just trying to build something for the community
i hate when most of the time people walking or bike riders sometimes step on our landings that we have made that is not quite done or just in general don't step on a part of a trail that's still being built
I rebuilt a jump last week, it's so obviuosly brand new, the dirt is bright orange/yellow, was sat down having a smoke near by and some dude stopped right on it and went to ride off, don't think he clocked me cos when I said ' you not gonna pack that back in ? ' he shit him self.
This was so beautiful it almost made me cry. I've been digging in my backyard (Marshall Canyon - La Verne, CA) for decades. The level of ignorance and entitled "it's my bike park" has exploded along with all the new riders over the last year. If you know better, please educate your friends.
on One of my favorite trails someone decided it would be a good idea to make the kickers bigger, completely changes the trail for the worse as you have to slow down for them now so that you don't land in the corner. I hate it.
People are making strava segments in trails i have built, even though i already made strava segments for my trails there is always someone who makes new segments in them. And i do not know who making them so i cannot contact them to tell them to remove their segments because i do not know who they are. Super frustrating!
i'm doing all of this, but i'm the guy who shape the most where i live, so i think as long as you build and rebuild trails, you can do this, it's just more work for yourself ahah
Only a sometimes trailbuilder/maintainer. But for me shralping a berm isn't that big of a deal once it's hard. Braking bumps from people not knowing how to brake/corner is way worse.
I'm a trail builder who helps building in local trails, the thing that annoys me most is the people who free ride, stop skidding, stop making a mess, ride properly or don't ride here. And I hate people re-making features or "fixing" them so that they can ride them or because they think it's bad. The person who decides if the feature needs changing or not is ME and the other trail builders, not the rider.
It's actually wild! This day filming I saw at least 3 poop bags on the side of bike trails... NGL though, I did not pick them up and take them with me -Christina
Great video glad that you addressed some of the most common issues. Coming from riding riding Motorcycle OHV. I respect what they trail builders have done. There are some sick trails out there that don't get build built by elf's in the middle of the night . I have building trails for years only to have some Guy come through and tear up the trails. Don't be that GUY.
Have you ever encountered an obstacle placed on a trail? I was walking a trail, that was in between housing developments (dry creek), and found fishing line that was strung across the trail and was tied to 2 trees It was approx. 3 feet above the ground level. It could have been a bad day for someone, had I not cut it down! Luckily, it was not in a slow part of the trail. Most likely done by kids in a nearby house!
Yes people have been doing that all over the place. Mostly hikers... So fucked and if someone gets caught doing that shit, it's going to be a really bad day for them.. Someone could get seriously injured if they rode through a fishing line...Especially if it were a super strong one... These fuckers are trying to decapitate riders!
I build and maintain where I ride by myself and people have destroyed bridges, put logs across trails, wire, fishing nylon, glass, nails on bridges for punctures, dog crap, plastic, large stones, bent over branches so as to hit people in the face, wooden pegs into the ground. I had to spend a whole day rebuilding a bridge with a chainsaw to make it stronger to stop it being damaged as this is the second time. A friend filled a black rubbish bag with plastic bottles and candy rappers the other day. Lazy people. I caught a woman walking her Boxer Dog leaving 9 poo bangs on the trails over a week and when I said pick it up she said the forestry men should pick it up.
Most of this doesn't apply at local woods in the UK.(non trail centres). Roots and mud all part of the challenge! Edit- last two couldn't agree more on!
I agree with everything except riding in the mud. Where I live we don't get a lot of rain so riding in the mud is a huge no-no. But for places that are always wet, it's kind of expected. I would also like to add a couple for the trail builders. If there is a change, please try to make it known. Also, if you are doing trail maintenance, please let that be known as well. I almost had my head taken off because a local builder was doing maintenance and threw a massive tree branch across the trail around a blind turn. No notice of any maintenance going on. Just my opinion don't shoot me.
Trail Builder here: Roosts/flicks/skidding, bike parks, totally cool, municipal trail systems, also totally cool IF there is ample maintenance support to that trail system. Braiding, altering and littering is by far much more frustrating for me. #keepblacktrailsblack
Braiding of trails is my #1 peve! You are only showing that you have to cheat to get a mediocre time. Or you just have know idea how to ride a mtn bike on a trail and have to take the easiest line down OR up!
I have never once ridden a trail for time. Personally, part of the fun of riding through the middle of the woods is... riding through the middle of the Woods. If there is a tiny little Trail connecting two different parts of the main trail, who cares. Just don't take that if you don't want to
Trailforks/Strava are here to stay, and you can't stop people who want to Race (against people who don't know they're in a race) from riding the fastest line possible. I think trail building tends to evolve to accommodate changes in the MTB Community. ie. Everyone is riding slacker bikes with bigger wheels... so trails get steeper and corners get wider. I think in the same way, some newer trails are finding ways use the landscape to make straight-lining difficult or building corners where straight lines are higher risk so there is a natural deterrent. There are a million factors that go into picking the best route for a new MTB Trail... and it is always just kind of a guess until the riding community gets on it and starts using it however they feel is most fun. If I see a lot of braiding on my trail... that tells me I picked a route that didn't feel right to a lot of people. Or maybe I'm unnaturally stretching my trail out to be longer then it's supposed to be by adding a bunch of unnecessary turns because I wanted it to be a 1mi trail instead of a .7mi trail. Obviously this doesn't apply to all types of trails. I got pretty lucky with my local build zone, steep with lots of rocks so in most cases, the line I cut is the only way you can get to the bottom lol.
1:41 don't do that kind of "repair". Repairing a berm does not mean to put some dirt in the holes, you have to completely open the old hardened surface of the feature and renew it. A new berm needs needs much water and then some days or weeks to harden, then its resistant.
i once saw this thick hardwood tree had fallen on the trail i was riding would have needed a crane to move i just came in with a chainsaw cut the section blocking the trail away repaired the trail and kept the firewood
It’s everyone’s responsibility to keep the trails clean. The builders and trail maintenance crews spend many hours working on trails for riders to enjoy. Be respectful and thank your local trail organizations for their hard work.
Definitely altering features is my biggest peve. Our bike park in Hope was getting hammered by randoms changing some of the bigger dirt jump lines. Luckily we had some good dirt jump artisan's come in and reshape them recently. Shout out to Shane Wilson, Max Langille, and Nick Tingren 🤘
Im not a serious mountain biker or a trail builder but I can see the point. Im all about freedom to ride your own ride but you have to show some respect for the trails as well. There's a popular hiking trail in my state that goes to the top of a mountain. I hadn't been up it in years but I went a couple of years ago with my daughter and was terribly disappointed in the condition of the trail. So many people have been off trail that if it wasn't for the signs you would not know where to go to get to the top. It looked as if cows had been using it 🤦♂️
Nothing like swinging a McLeod on a closed trail with 10 others then having 2 or 3 riders come up to you asking to get by and thanking us for our hard work. Happens multiple times a day.
@@mattattomotos8756 I'm a solo builder and here in Ireland 95% of the people in my local have no respect for the work I do unfortunately. But, I've nearly gotten used to coming down in the middle of December mid build with a rutted af fresh lip and torn up berms the next day😥
@@mattattomotos8756 I've ridden one trail that was closed by accident. I was climbing to the top and was really tired from a long ride. I saw the trail through the forest so I decided to just go through the brush and ride from there down instead of going to the top of the trail. Ran into the trail builders who were confused so I got there number and did 4 hours of trail work w them the next day for a lil sorry.
COVID lockdowns exploded outdoor tourism. Our trails got so many new straight lines, cheater lines, and erosion. Trails that have needed only seasonal cleanup for decades need heavy maintenance.
I think a lot of people forget that most of the pros or influencers that blow up berms for photos, also do hundreds of hours a year of volunteer work on the trails... so before talking about what other people are doing to the trails, remember that a lot of them do 10x more work on the trail than you do
We have trail builders because trails require maintenance. There are always going to be novice riders on the trails. I’m one of them. All I have to say is “sorry for f***ing up your trail and thanks for fixing it.” I hope I’m as good as you some day.
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Pinkbike: skidding/scandi flicks bad Also Pinkbike: rider blowing up berm PHOTO OF THE YEAR!
ppl blow up berms they make, not community trails
@@benjaminj.daniel6860 dude there's kids on insta every. Single. Day. Posting that stuff at my local mtb park
People do it cuz it’s “cool” just annoys the hell out of me when I see it
This rule doesn't apply to pros and influencers.
@@Projectnortheast highland gets a lot of abuse indeed
I Scotland if we don't ride in the mud we would never ride !
I can vouch for this!
yes, the same as here in holland.
Same in Ireland
I never said don't ride hahah just pick the appropriate trails. Hope to make it to Scotland this year for the EWS! Fingers crossed and will bring all the waterproof layers -Christina
Same here in Flanders, but I must add that most trails use public (dirt) roads and footpaths. We have a complete different set of problems, unleashed dogs, small children, horses, hikers, elderly people cycling ...
For some reason people don't think cigarettes count as litter, I never understood that.
Absolutely agree. When smoking first became illegal inside businesses, restaurants, bars etc... as a non-smoker I initially thought the Karens had gone too far in some situations. One winter we had a long cold season with lots of snow. Suddenly it warmed up and the snow melted fast over 7 days. I was fortunate to work in a city surrounded by lakes. The melting snow from downtown funneled into huge urban storm sewers that in turn flushed into the lakes. I was fishing near shoreline soon after ice out. The water is at its clearest this time of year. Suddenly I saw something strange. What the hell is that over there? Motored the boat slowly over the “object”. Up to now I hadn’t known an underwater storm sewer was located here. There was a “plume” of cigarette butts about 50 yards long and 3 to 6 feet high made up entirely of cigarette butts on the lake bed! All the cigs smokers had tossed out on the sidewalks and roads throughout the winter and captured in the snow and ice were suddenly flushed en mass over the course of a couple days. After witnessing that I’ve had zero patience with all smokers who casually drop their cigarettes out car windows and on sidewalks. I will vote for all anti-smoking legislative involving public spaces.
Does gum count as litter as well? What about dog hair? The world is going mad.
On a side note I always buy biodegradable plastic bottles because at least I know when I leave them in the woods they are okay for the environment.
@@dt8096 of course gum is litter!
@@dt8096 naw you're just not informed that cigarette filters are plastic and take a long time to break down. But I would expect that from someone who admits to leaving bottles in the woods
If the trail isn’t on the map, don’t post your ride to strava. Set it to private. Especially when there is a sign asking not to post to strava. 😡
None of my trails within an hour drive are on the map...
To go along with this; If you didn't build it, don't name it on Strava.
if you dont strava it then what's the point?
And don't #Secret trails#LocationName tag all your facebook/insta posts, just be GLAD that you know of these unofficial trails and enjoy them, long live local trails.
This! There are NO trails where I live, the ones the motos put in in the 70's just aren't around
...and it's not an bad idea to say "thanks" if you run into a building area... missing that
100%. I always make sure to stop and thank builders if I seem them working on a trail section
Are trail builders owner of the land or is it just random people making the trail better?
@@terymannhart5459 Random owners making the trail better.
I don't claim to be a "Trail-Builder"... but i built A trail that people love in my local area and it really means a lot when people smile and say, "Hey, you're the guy that built Wyle Rocket, Thanks!" meant more than I thought it would, even more then the people that say they wanna help dig next time I dig... those are usually empty promises. Thanks means everything.
Thanks! I should start taking care of my local trail but too sad only 1 person rides it and it's me.
No 1- Scidding/Roosting berms. No 1 thing you will find in every @pinkbike video- Scidding/Roosting Berms. Lol
Unfortunately. I find it quite childish tbh
Fuck skidding. I'll always have way more respect for clean riders.
I hate people that roost my berms the day I build them, like just wait a couple days for it to harden
Just don't roost them!
THIS! I hate it when people roost berms, hardened or not.
Surley you cant ban roosting berms Mr Mike D
@@Powerhugful I mean, as log the berm is hardened roast it all you want, just don't roast too often
Funny, the only time I’ve ever done this has been when accidentally locking up the rear tire.
It drives me nuts to see all of the skidding in videos put out by bike companies. It isn't just that people don't know how to corner, it is all they see on everyone's edit. Also, to add one more to that list (from an experience last weekend) - do not give us a hard time about not being able to get by when we are working.
Yeah...I thought the idea of people not being skilled enough was a strange assumption. I definitely feel at a minimum its 30% of people doing for the gram. If its a true edit...at least send a shout out or warning about it.
I am skidding my own trails too. Doing it without breaking or low tire pressure doesn't make that much harm, especially a scandi flick can't be problem.
Giving us a hard time because we're holding them up by working on the trail they're riding? That's definitely not something to do to people swinging large, pointy tools. Seriously, most bikers thank us as they pass, but for the asshole 1%, we have an unwritten policy. For those special people, everybody working takes their sweet time stopping what they're doing and moving out of the way, and we could be spread out over a couple of hundred feet.
@@johnholloway691 yeah those dudes can get fucked, as for us we thank them and wait patiently because nobody else wants to do trail building
Yes this and also if someone is busy building (me atleast) and the trail is not finished don’t expect us to have an answer to when it’s done cuz we don’t control the weather/ our motivation or time
To my taste It's way better to ride on rough natural technical trails, with little or no track builder adjustment. Just some maintenance.
you might think it's natural, but there are no "natural trails". every trail had to be built
@@alienairbag here where I live they are indeed created by hikers or volunteers, but not especially for bikers with berms and so on.
Totally agree fredrico
Yeah, enjoying nature and trying to cope with what she throws at me. I get the jumpy rollers but a jump created by erosion around a tree root just looks better. However, safety is key and it's good to know a trail is safe.
Totally! I think built trails suck. There are still lots of natural ones in Colorado and Vancouver
Mine is people taking our tools and using them to "help" build the trail. We leave the tools next to the trail so we don't have carry them up every time
Had someone destroy out trail with our own tools and then destroy the tools! Hateful bunch!
@@almightybo2 ☹😭😭
@@almightybo2 happened to my favourite spot, some retards destroyed with the tools there and brought their own tools but left theirs behind
"You wouldn't throw a granola bar wrapper in your mom's living room" -- apparently someone who's never met my kids.
(They're actually far less likely to leave them on trails, though)
My biggest pet peeve has always been what I call the mediocrity committee. You know the people who make trails easier because they aren't good enough to ride them.
They neuter the features! Haha
The local trail alliance people here do this. It annoys me. Not everyone is a green rider. Give me a challenge, not some G rated kiddy stuff. Trails have ratings for a reason.
Exactly. When we built trails or made improvements, we always made a line to go around for those who didn't have the skills. Unfortunately they often still destroyed the trails.
As a member of a trail crew in a bikepark i can say i would never change anything(except braking bumps)without the builders permission.
I agree. On my local trials "maintenance" meant removing the rocks so any beginner could ride it. Once met a local guy who said "We just want moderate trails so everyone can ride them". They seem to be a little better now about making some trails easy and some harder but they still take out the stuff that is really challenging for those of us that actually like it.
I think social media has a lot to answer for people shralping berms, I didn’t even know it could be done until I saw the pros do it online. Now everyone thinks it’s cool 🤷♂️
This should be a top comment, because I couldn't agree more.
And if you are for whatever reason doing it, go back and stamp it on again!!!
the only people that don't do it can't do it?
I think that schralping is sometimes a natural consequence of cornering a certain turn. If im right, you dont lock up your rear wheel to schralp, but schralping is helpful if there is not a big enough berm to help cornering.
Bryan Seare but the media make it look cool and newbies don’t understand that so end up skidding round all the turns
Minturn bikepark in Colorado opened and it's already getting destroyed by people riding on the sides of features and skidding in the jump lines. I would tell them about their mistakes but they don't care and even talk back to you.
Minturn!!! Bike Park?! No way, I love that tiny town. Happy to hear it has a bike park now! Send them this video and they can talk back to me :-) -Christina
@@pinkbike Yes way! Funny I was actually talking to a guy there that knew you when you lived in Breck.
As far as I'm concerned, once a new trail has been eroded out in the rain to the roots and rocks and is a proper challenge - that's when it's been finally bedded in and worth riding. Trailbuilding in Scotland is pretty much: cut out track lightly directly down a slope, get an enduro race on it 2-3 times in the wet with a few hundred riders, profit from your new steep rocky, rooty track with minimal shovel time.
As a trail builder on the oregon coast, riding in the rain is definitely at the top of my list. Right next to ebikes spinning tires up the climbs.
Our local climb tech trail has been eroded a crazy crazy amount by all the new e-bikers this year. It’s sad actaukly
@@BkGE1996 Some of this new E-Bikes shouldnt be there the Torque they produce is like the same as Kids Motocross Bikes. It has insane power that can destroy the trail.
I'm so happy about my ebike.. it's so much easier to carry all those tools up the hill. Damages are done by Riders, not by the bikes they are using...
@@xbr2520 Great comment. I find the same thing. Ebikes are not the problem. Here on the Sunshine Coast in BC it is idiots on dirt bikes riding MB trails.
Yeah I don't see the ebike spinning tire issue and people that say it, I feel like have never ridden a ebike and just want to Hate! I'd say ebikes have 60% more traction while climbing! Haven't spun a single ebike tire
The thing that bugs me the most is when I build something in a local spot by my house with permission and spend a long time getting it right then I come back once it should be hard enough only to find that some took it down to build their own feature in the exact same spot.
Yes
7:23 License plate bracket thingy. Not sure how it got so far from a road/car?
I came across another YT channel the other day of duo of riders going to DH parks and at almost EVERY possible turn they were skidding and freeride skid whipping. They kept acting like it was the coolest thing and I just kinda sat there like "I don't know much but I think that can't be actually good for the trail" and sure enough! IT ISN'T!
Also, littering? Really people? If you came in with it there's ZERO reason you can't leave with it.
Seeing Eebs lately going uphill skidding out the trail has been really frustrating too
I love how we have a video like this that urges you to not skid and I bet without too much effort I can find a different video on this channel that shows you it as a cool biking technique to learn :)
ruclips.net/video/BdhPGpC7F3E/видео.html
My local trails are new. And are already being destroyed by unskilled people skidding in the corner
How dare them unskilled riders try your sport?! Fucin tool
This comment needs to be re-worded. Everybody is unskilled at some point, we all have to start somewhere. Maybe if you see someone out on the trails doing something wrong, try and teach them the correct way. Approach the situation in a respectful way, and hopefully they will understand what you are saying/doing.
@@scottbradford4130 the trail system i speak of. Gas green blue and black trails.. yes. Beginners can try the trails. That's what the green loop is for.. when they get in over their heads or at trying to ride gnarly trails on their junk bike? Its dangerous for them and they damage the trails by being on a trail they aren't ready for...
@@scottbradford4130 if you're offended to the point of name calling? Its obvious you're the kinda guy I'm talking about... but.. if you want? Let's meet on the easy loop? And I'll teach ya some skills.. and etiquette.. or. Just be an angry huffy rider
It’s also faster to skid ur back tire around on a really tight switch back and u were also that unskilled rider once
Whenever we call these things out to the MTB community there are a few people who call us elitists or tell us that we are not their parents.
There are enough disrespectful riders out there that make it hard to even want to volunteer my time building trails. Especially since the Pandemic and a bunch of new younger, usually male, riders come onto the scene. Most of them, when I look at their Facebook profiles, have ATV, MX Bikes, or 4x4s pictured. They have this attitude that they should be able to go onto the trail and do whatever they want with their big enduro bike.
Pretty sad and I certainly hope that this isn't what mountain biking becomes. I ride BMX and Freeride and enjoy the jumps and technical features just as much as anyone else. That is why I got involved with the local trail building community, so features I like can be legitimately added.
A lot of people worked really hard to not only create these trails but to advocate for them being built in the first place. Most local land managers, communities, and governments didn't want mountain bike trails because they were worried about the environmental damage. It's important to recognize this and not treat these trails in such a way they get closed down.
This story makes me sad. I love the trails you guys and gals build for us. You guys f'ing rock!
Ur not my parents 😂💀
Great vid! At first I chuckled a bit when you said "riding when it's muddy"... it rains about 3 times a year here in Southern California, I've never seen mud. Although when I thought on it more, the rule still stands. If it rains, ALL HANDS ON DECK, it's about the only time you can build/repair/tweak a trail, never waste a wet dirt day on riding.
People flick/drift/skid because they see it in videos, probably some on Pinkbike, NOT because they don't know how to corner.
Great coverage of topics. I think one thing to include is the riding through puddles and not around. Riding through puddles prevents trail widening. I see most people go around puddles as to not get their feet wet, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. They are essentially ruining trail just for the sake of temporary discomfort. So please, suck it up and ride through puddles.
I agree, that one is a particular touchy subject! Even better, drain the puddle! Then nobody has to ride in or around it -Christina
Ride through it. Next time out pack a mini folding shovel and fix that spot before it gets any bigger.
I'm a builder, and yes, skidding is a problem, but roosting isn't! I know how fun it is to roost corners, but a know that a lot of builders don't like it, so I just roost my own berms. And riding in the rain is not that bad, we have here a lot of clay and some ruts right in the middle of the trails after winter, but it gets ridden and it disappears in a few weeks
I don't mind people roosting corners if they are actually going fast, but it does bugs me when people go into the corner slow and at a shit angle just to get a cheater drift.
@@zGJungle yeah, sometimes it's ok too, but not in every run
Tell it to the E-Bikers with their TURBO bikes doing inhuman torque on turns.
The ebikes ruined the push up at my local, churned the shit out of it.
Agreed. I'm seeing damage where there was none before. E-weenies are doing what horses do, tearing up trails that had never had a problem before.
@@johnholloway691 To be honest im okay with E-bike to help pedal up. The Problem is manufacturers are now putting Giant motors on MTB,
The power and weight it puts on the ground are not suitable for Hand Built trails.
there should be a power limit for trails,
I have an SL e-bike it’s like anything else have some respect.
@@dshow1658 Why not just use a regular MTB anyways.
I never understood how people that go mtbing or hiking litter. It’s throwing garbage all over the thing that brings enjoyment to yourself.
Great video. I've been maintaining my trails for years here. Much Aloha for putting this together.
Thanks Christina for making the videos that might come across as wingy and moaning if I did it myself for our local spot. All of these factors have at one time or another been an issue here - riding jumps in the wet/mud, straight lining technical sections to go faster, litter, and most especially when we had to close the club during lockdown a small group came along tore down all the warning tape and signs and rode the hell out of everything and then bragged about it on social.
Part of this is an educational issue, which hopefully your video can help with, but mainly it’s caused by riders that don’t build, that claim they don’t know what we are complaining about, or don’t care about the damage because next time they come along it’s been fixed yet again.
One thing I hear all the time is “Chill out dude, It’s just Dirt!” I can’t be the only one who is incensed by such callous throw away comments?
Also since the advent of ebikes this has got significantly worse, especially in the winter and given their skill level is very mixed due to the influx of new riders who’ve never ridden a normal bike. They can ride constantly when analogue bikers can’t and are probably digging for months on end, and they can do the same line so many more times that even when ridden with respect the wear and tear / maintenance is greatly increased.
I’d like to see more ebike builders rather than the existing builders just taking on more work just to keep up.
The trail builders of the world are a precious and invaluable asset that continues to be under valued and under appreciated. Thank you for continuing to shine a light on these trail legends who give so freely of their time, put everything they have into making the trails and jumps the best they can be and, except for a scant few, are most likely doing it completely unpaid.
Dig on Diggers!
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There's an easy fix for this problem. Don't allow ebikes on mtb trails. Personally, I don't think they ever should have been allowed in the first place.
The three things on your list that irritate me the most is; the littering, straight lining a trail (add, cutting switchbacks), and most of all....dumbing down a trail by removing something from or smoothing out a section because it's "too hard". I absolutely love technical trails with features that you have to earn, especially a rocky, rooty climb. I hate when you've worked on your technique and finally clean a section, only to return another day and some rider has smoothed out that section because they prefer flow and can't or won't learn to better their riding abilities.
I plant tree stumps and add drainage ditches it doesn't need to the insides of corners people consistantly cut or miss.
@@zGJungle I have actually had riders remove logs and branches I have placed to block off a cut through. Another odd thing is I have placed flat rocks in muddy sections to ride across and riders have ridden next to them, and the rocks I used weren't narrow by any means
My local trail system did something greatwith the flow trails: the black run was upgraded with bigger jumps and mandatory gaps. To compensate, the blue trail received several alternate jump lines.
5:44 I did that one time but I didn’t know that the trail was closed, they put a sign at the end of the trail but not the start of it
Can't wait to watch this as a trail builder myself
Skidding: I blame RUclips influencers and commercials for that as well. I see skilled people skidding on RUclips a lot. I guess they do it to entertain their audience and advertisers put them in commercials to make their bikes look cool. So, people want to mimic it. I started riding mtn bikes since the inception of the mtn bike. (Yes, I am getting old.) And "leave no trace" was something that was taught from early on. It seems like the message has been lost.
What shoes is she wearing? Is there a flat pedal version, I ride in areas with a lot of cheatgrass and I would love having my laces covered.
definitely a couple of issues with this:
firstly not doings scandy flicks, they're so fun to do, yeah its not the fast way to ride but I'm not trying to be fast I'm trying to have fun at the end of the day thats why the trails are there for people to have fun,
secondly no riding in the mud, what the hell wet weather riding is so much fun, obviously you don't ride smooth jump or flow lines but hit the tech in the mud, its so fun.
I wouldn't classify myself as a trail builder but do go and help out on dig days fairly often and really like seeing people have fun on stuff I've helped build, who cares if it is making it a bit rough to ride or means it needs a bit of maintenance, it's no big deal
You guys are really killing it with these videos lately. Keep it up!
I just love it when riders take your tools and hide them. Such a fun game!
I also hate the people that you see out ALL the time but magically never have time to show up to dig days. I think all mtb riders should do trail work once a year. Obviously there are guys that love it and will do it more often. For someone that loves to ride but not dig, pay your dues once a year
Completely unenforceable but I couldn't agree more. I did a ton of building last year and it made me appreciate and understand the trails so much better. I am a better rider for it. People seem to think trails get maintained by fairies or something. Understanding the amount of time and effort it takes goes a long way to how you treat them.
I think there should be donation boxes
First rides in the spring in the Northeast or after a storm, I will pack a small folding pruning saw to clear small trees or branches that have fallen across the established trail, hopefully b4 a detour trail gets cut in.
There is drifting and there is “brapping” “shralping” “roosting” (all fancy words for skidding). One can be the fastest way or just happens when railing a muddy or loamy corner, the other is just deliberately blowing out the corner just to look cool.
Just watched George brannigans new queenstown shredit on pinkbike. I think Christina needs to have a word with him about how the trailbuilders would feel about what he did. His video is why people ride the way your describing because its perceived as cool and promoted as such. Good job practicing what you preach pinkbike
We had a sick log drop and some old gravel bike roadies put rocks at the bottom so they can go up it wtf is that down hill only is how it should be so build your trails so they are directional or they get destroyed thanks trail builders!
If roadies are riding up your "downhill" trail.....
That is wild! Everyone loves a good challenge I guess... -Christina
We get the same. Try to build it to deter uphill but damn they love the hurt. Guess they didn't get hugged enough as kids.
@@patricklewis8246 you would be surprised they show up at random like what are you guys doing here lol
Can we just take a second and acknowledge that sometimes, well intentioned builders just don't plan out a corner or section of trail all that well? The corner cut, or straightline sometimes evolves because its just objectively a safer, better line.
As a trail designer/builder, I can definitely acknowledge that possibility, but it must be a minuscule percentage. Much more often, it's just people incapable of riding something, or geeking out on their Strava time. They had a cross-country race series on the JEM Trail network in Utah, and virtually every turn had been cut, probably by some dirt roadie trying to pass on narrow singletrack. That desert vegetation will take years to recover, if it even gets a chance. I can't believe the BLM let the race promoter get away with that.
I build knowing that the trail will get straight lined so I build in a way where nothing can get wrecked.
Good info, good video. Hmm, just curious. Why were Christina and Mystery Bad Girl Rider never in the same frame? 😳
I'm shocked my pet peeve wasn't on there....
Locking up your brakes before a corner creating the stupid chatter bumps going into a corner. Control your speed, and go easier on the brakes and lock em up. Guess its kinda related to "skidding" but sorta diffrent.
Hey there is a weird thing goin going on in trial forks is When I zoom in it blurs out but I’m signed into a account
The only thing I'm confused about now is if I come to an area that drains poorly and is a muddy spot should I ride straight through it like I've seen talked about by other channels or should I avoid the mud? The argument ive heard is that its easier to fix a skinny muddy section than to fix a wide area where people rode around it.
Ride through it. Better yet, pack a folding shovel and stop and fix that problem spot before it gets big.
@@johnholloway691 I usually have a folding saw for smaller downed trees
If riding in the wet is a no-no, then I guess we can just stop riding May-December in Costa Rica.
Here you just kind of try to enjoy the erosion of the rainy season. Even dirt/fire roads become extreme enduro tracks during the season with rideable lines changing from one day to the other if a bigger pour-down happens....
As for skidding: I am not sure it applies to "raw/natural" trails. Often times I feel that skidding helps form the otherwise loose trail into an actual trail-like trail.
No, I am not skidding all-around on a hard-pack flow track, but when forming a new line, I think intentional skidding can help form it into a ride-able feature. (and yes, I know that depending on the place/country/forest/property "forming new lines" is also something you can or cannot do)....
If it is a raw trail where a corner just sucks, making a shortcut - with or without a drop/jump/skinny feature - is something I consider to be just fine. But yep, altering someone's work is a different thing.
Just my 2c ... when I was a kid it was 100% "illegal trails" ... you just looked into the forest, imagined a line, then went down with 10 of your friends, and kept repeating until it became a trail. Then you named it :) some stupid name ...
What is this trail system called
Great content. How about a video on how to handle injuries while riding?
that's a video I'd watch
How do we keep them happy, giving them a massive forest and telling them they have free range to build.
It's way harder than that. I'm a trail builder and build trails in my public mountain bike park. It is very hard to rought trails and get the permission to make legal trails. It's worth mentioning how discouraging it is when you are building a trail or a feature that you have closed because you are working on it or testing it and people open it up and ride it.
Nope. Paying them a lot more than we do now 😂. One must start with the assumption that the legal boundaries are established and clear.
@@shredditsbiking Thanks for mentioning that. I can not tell you how many times I’ve come to a closed section of a favorite trail knowing the trail builder isn’t around that particular day and wanting to ride it saying to myself “What can it hurt?” Now I won’t be tempted. If I were a trail builder I can see why that would be irritating.
@@mrsmartypants_1 yeah. For instance. If there is a jump that hasn't been tested you dont know the style of lip that the builder has made. One time I made a 20ish foot gap finished making the lip but purposely made the lip to steep so I could shave a little dirt off after the weather packed it in. So I closed the trail. Came back to see the imprint of where someone hit the backside of the landing. He was my friend that thought since he knew me he could have a free pass. And compound fractured his ankle. No matter what it is the run out or a key feature may not be finished yet.
@@shredditsbiking Thanks again. Never rode a closed trail. And now I never will.
Nr 3 is why I always walk and inspect my local trail upwards, before descending it. You never know when some branched tree trunk or barbed wire will span across the trail.
I dont do any of these things so that's good! I do skid sometimes though but it's not like I mean to do it I'm just trying to not die that's all.
on my local bike park a favourite trail has been closed for half a year for "maintenance" even though the only damage to the trail is the fire road to it (which is still easily used just has a big drainage rut) no trail builders have been or even considered repairing it and riders have been ignoring the sign saying "maintenance", what are your thoughts on this.
Don't ride in the rain 🤣 here in the UK it never stops raining!
100%. Here in Ireland if you ride, you'll ride in the wet. Don't know what the story in the UK is, but here in Dublin trails get wrecked with so much use in a season, but they are also built without permission on public land so that goes with the territory?
Possibly the muddiest race I've ever been to was in Ireland. Had to clean my tires before and after each stage just to move on to the next one. Crazy fun crowd though! -Christina
True, I also live in a rainforest so.... I just choose the more appropriate trails for those days because they do exist -Christina
A high speed scandi flick can be as fast if not faster and is also stylish as it is a fluid movement, and is also quite technical and can be harder then a flat corner with a tree on your inside shoulder ready to drop you, scandi slingshots you around it, when you've got it down pat.
However skidding because you can't corner is worth hating and unnecessary destruction imo.
a big motivator to build and maintain your local is you can smash the corners as much as you want
What is the name of the app to report?
Used to skid cause I could not corner and I’ve put flags in the jumps sometimes but that it great video though good reminders
I wish the people in Ontario would understand what respect towards the trail builders is cause I've now wasted two month of my time building a badass line to have kids disrespect the crap out of my work when im just trying to build something for the community
Good Vibes from this one... Thanks guys!
i hate when most of the time people walking or bike riders sometimes step on our landings that we have made that is not quite done or just in general don't step on a part of a trail that's still being built
I rebuilt a jump last week, it's so obviuosly brand new, the dirt is bright orange/yellow, was sat down having a smoke near by and some dude stopped right on it and went to ride off, don't think he clocked me cos when I said ' you not gonna pack that back in ? ' he shit him self.
This was so beautiful it almost made me cry. I've been digging in my backyard (Marshall Canyon - La Verne, CA) for decades. The level of ignorance and entitled "it's my bike park" has exploded along with all the new riders over the last year. If you know better, please educate your friends.
Definitely don't change/add features- Land managers that the building group interface with may just shut it down entirely.
on One of my favorite trails someone decided it would be a good idea to make the kickers bigger, completely changes the trail for the worse as you have to slow down for them now so that you don't land in the corner. I hate it.
yeah, that's just so rude. How the hell do people get to do this kind of stuff?
Global Mountain Bike Network is notorious for promoting the skidding
They're in their own muddy little world over there...
They even did a video that included how to "Shralp"!
That's because doing skids is awesome.
People are making strava segments in trails i have built, even though i already made strava segments for my trails there is always someone who makes new segments in them. And i do not know who making them so i cannot contact them to tell them to remove their segments because i do not know who they are. Super frustrating!
Great video! Glad there's a voice out there for this kinda stuff.
i'm doing all of this, but i'm the guy who shape the most where i live, so i think as long as you build and rebuild trails, you can do this, it's just more work for yourself ahah
As long as you don’t get upset when other people do it
@@partyongarth0 depends ahah
Only a sometimes trailbuilder/maintainer. But for me shralping a berm isn't that big of a deal once it's hard. Braking bumps from people not knowing how to brake/corner is way worse.
I'm a trail builder who helps building in local trails, the thing that annoys me most is the people who free ride, stop skidding, stop making a mess, ride properly or don't ride here. And I hate people re-making features or "fixing" them so that they can ride them or because they think it's bad. The person who decides if the feature needs changing or not is ME and the other trail builders, not the rider.
By far my biggest pet peeve is dog owners who take the time to clean up, but then leave the bag-o-shit for someone else to pack out. LAME!
It's actually wild! This day filming I saw at least 3 poop bags on the side of bike trails... NGL though, I did not pick them up and take them with me -Christina
Great video glad that you addressed some of the most common issues. Coming from riding riding Motorcycle OHV. I respect what they trail builders have done. There are some sick trails out there that don't get build built by elf's in the middle of the night . I have building trails for years only to have some Guy come through and tear up the trails. Don't be that GUY.
Have you ever encountered an obstacle placed on a trail? I was walking a trail, that was in between housing developments (dry creek), and found fishing line that was strung across the trail and was tied to 2 trees It was approx. 3 feet above the ground level. It could have been a bad day for someone, had I not cut it down! Luckily, it was not in a slow part of the trail. Most likely done by kids in a nearby house!
Yes people have been doing that all over the place. Mostly hikers... So fucked and if someone gets caught doing that shit, it's going to be a really bad day for them.. Someone could get seriously injured if they rode through a fishing line...Especially if it were a super strong one... These fuckers are trying to decapitate riders!
Amy from superstore is here to show us what not to do, Thanks Amy!
I build and maintain where I ride by myself and people have destroyed bridges, put logs across trails, wire, fishing nylon, glass, nails on bridges for punctures, dog crap, plastic, large stones, bent over branches so as to hit people in the face, wooden pegs into the ground. I had to spend a whole day rebuilding a bridge with a chainsaw to make it stronger to stop it being damaged as this is the second time. A friend filled a black rubbish bag with plastic bottles and candy rappers the other day. Lazy people. I caught a woman walking her Boxer Dog leaving 9 poo bangs on the trails over a week and when I said pick it up she said the forestry men should pick it up.
Most of this doesn't apply at local woods in the UK.(non trail centres). Roots and mud all part of the challenge!
Edit- last two couldn't agree more on!
I agree with everything except riding in the mud. Where I live we don't get a lot of rain so riding in the mud is a huge no-no. But for places that are always wet, it's kind of expected. I would also like to add a couple for the trail builders. If there is a change, please try to make it known. Also, if you are doing trail maintenance, please let that be known as well. I almost had my head taken off because a local builder was doing maintenance and threw a massive tree branch across the trail around a blind turn. No notice of any maintenance going on. Just my opinion don't shoot me.
Trail Builder here: Roosts/flicks/skidding, bike parks, totally cool, municipal trail systems, also totally cool IF there is ample maintenance support to that trail system. Braiding, altering and littering is by far much more frustrating for me. #keepblacktrailsblack
Nobody can be mad at me if i build the trails myself.
You can
Braiding of trails is my #1 peve! You are only showing that you have to cheat to get a mediocre time. Or you just have know idea how to ride a mtn bike on a trail and have to take the easiest line down OR up!
Exactly!
I have never once ridden a trail for time. Personally, part of the fun of riding through the middle of the woods is... riding through the middle of the Woods. If there is a tiny little Trail connecting two different parts of the main trail, who cares. Just don't take that if you don't want to
Trailforks/Strava are here to stay, and you can't stop people who want to Race (against people who don't know they're in a race) from riding the fastest line possible. I think trail building tends to evolve to accommodate changes in the MTB Community. ie. Everyone is riding slacker bikes with bigger wheels... so trails get steeper and corners get wider. I think in the same way, some newer trails are finding ways use the landscape to make straight-lining difficult or building corners where straight lines are higher risk so there is a natural deterrent. There are a million factors that go into picking the best route for a new MTB Trail... and it is always just kind of a guess until the riding community gets on it and starts using it however they feel is most fun. If I see a lot of braiding on my trail... that tells me I picked a route that didn't feel right to a lot of people. Or maybe I'm unnaturally stretching my trail out to be longer then it's supposed to be by adding a bunch of unnecessary turns because I wanted it to be a 1mi trail instead of a .7mi trail. Obviously this doesn't apply to all types of trails. I got pretty lucky with my local build zone, steep with lots of rocks so in most cases, the line I cut is the only way you can get to the bottom lol.
"where is the sign?" , me looking at this from a country where we have only DIY wild trails lol.
1:41 don't do that kind of "repair". Repairing a berm does not mean to put some dirt in the holes, you have to completely open the old hardened surface of the feature and renew it. A new berm needs needs much water and then some days or weeks to harden, then its resistant.
I learned to see all the donts as bueaty marks. Someone was there having fun and thats a good thing.
Singletrack? That trail looks like a sidewalk in the woods. They should put in a gift shop and a hand rail
i once saw this thick hardwood tree had fallen on the trail i was riding would have needed a crane to move i just came in with a chainsaw cut the section blocking the trail away repaired the trail and kept the firewood
It’s everyone’s responsibility to keep the trails clean. The builders and trail maintenance crews spend many hours working on trails for riders to enjoy. Be respectful and thank your local trail organizations for their hard work.
Definitely altering features is my biggest peve. Our bike park in Hope was getting hammered by randoms changing some of the bigger dirt jump lines. Luckily we had some good dirt jump artisan's come in and reshape them recently. Shout out to Shane Wilson, Max Langille, and Nick Tingren 🤘
Im not a serious mountain biker or a trail builder but I can see the point. Im all about freedom to ride your own ride but you have to show some respect for the trails as well. There's a popular hiking trail in my state that goes to the top of a mountain. I hadn't been up it in years but I went a couple of years ago with my daughter and was terribly disappointed in the condition of the trail. So many people have been off trail that if it wasn't for the signs you would not know where to go to get to the top. It looked as if cows had been using it 🤦♂️
The dirt there looks so amazing. Can't wait to make it up there to ride
This video is spot on. I may just be a moody trail builder though
The things that needed to be said! -Christina
I’m currently rebuilding the same corner as kids prefer to “roost” instead of actually use the berms I make. Must be a generational thing 🤷🏻♂️😂
Closed trails has to be my biggest pet peve!
Nothing like swinging a McLeod on a closed trail with 10 others then having 2 or 3 riders come up to you asking to get by and thanking us for our hard work. Happens multiple times a day.
@@mattattomotos8756 I'm a solo builder and here in Ireland 95% of the people in my local have no respect for the work I do unfortunately. But, I've nearly gotten used to coming down in the middle of December mid build with a rutted af fresh lip and torn up berms the next day😥
@@mattattomotos8756 I've ridden one trail that was closed by accident. I was climbing to the top and was really tired from a long ride. I saw the trail through the forest so I decided to just go through the brush and ride from there down instead of going to the top of the trail. Ran into the trail builders who were confused so I got there number and did 4 hours of trail work w them the next day for a lil sorry.
COVID lockdowns exploded outdoor tourism. Our trails got so many new straight lines, cheater lines, and erosion. Trails that have needed only seasonal cleanup for decades need heavy maintenance.
I think a lot of people forget that most of the pros or influencers that blow up berms for photos, also do hundreds of hours a year of volunteer work on the trails... so before talking about what other people are doing to the trails, remember that a lot of them do 10x more work on the trail than you do
I'm a newbie and I do skid on some occasions because of my lack fo skill. But only in pretty rough conditions.
We have trail builders because trails require maintenance. There are always going to be novice riders on the trails. I’m one of them.
All I have to say is “sorry for f***ing up your trail and thanks for fixing it.” I hope I’m as good as you some day.
Is @Pinkbike going to make sure their videos stop showing people skidding around turns?
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@@Mike-gk9bu At least that one is 3 years ago. We can post this vid on the next one with "How to skid [and F up the trail]"
Yeah rain and Manchester kind of go hand in hand, people braking on berms is my pet hate