We have seen throughout every single moment in history, the vitality of language. Language is power. Literacy is power. In the past, they'd cut out your tongue. Now they rob you of your language to tie it for you. It's all wrapped up in the fear of 'unkindness' they have instilled in everyone. Oh, what's a small thing like a pronoun to you? Be kind and use the ones they prefer. Oh, what's a small thing like a sex safe space to you? Be kind and let them use the space they prefer. Oh, what's a small thing like women's rights to you? Be kind, shut up, and allow them to take them from you.
It's so fucking 'feminine' to be kind and move over when you are shoved. I am pleased to say that I am not a feminine woman and will fight tooth-and-nail for the sex-based rights of women.
I love Helen for calling out Kevin on his hypocrisy here, I think Kevin's generally a good bloke, but he is trying to have his cake and eat it with his stance of _"transwomen are male but I'll still call them she/her."_
@user-mw9bd2ey6s Yes, absolutely I agree, I've seen him speak with Kellie-Jay and many others over the past few years and he always exhibits the same inconsistencies.
@@penfro Gender-critical women must not give an inch to the transgender lobby. A trans-identified male remains a male. If you are too polite to use the pronoun "he", then use "they". We must never, never be 'kind'. "She" is a pronoun for biological females only. Gillian Keegan as a (presumably) biological female who is willing to give ground to transgenderism is very much part of the problem, and as for Kevin O'Sullivan, it was so good to hear Helen Joyce calling him out for hypocrisy. If he sees himself as an ally of women, he needs to change his pronoun usage, and fast.
I was staggered at how incompetently Gillian Keegan performed in that Radio 4 interview. No wonder it took her so many years to come to the position of saying ‘I will not call a transwoman a woman.’ She doesn’t seem able to comprehend the basic facts of the debate, even still. Granted, it wasn’t as politically expedient to deny that trans women were women even just a year ago. I however have reached the point where I think that ‘trans’ isn’t even a real thing. It’s just a maladaptive coping mechanism for some people.
@@dyoung1492 Be my guest! The human psyche is a wild and unknowable place, but there’s just no way that humans have evolved to have been ‘born in the wrong body’. The very few people who identify so strongly with the opposite sex that they believe themselves to be in fact a member of the opposite sex, have many factors in common - perhaps they are on the autistic spectrum, perhaps extremely gender non-conforming, perhaps had homophobic parents, perhaps were sexually abused as children, perhaps lost their mother young, or had a very domineering parent…. the list is endless.
Helen Joyce is a breath of fresh air on this gender ideology nonsense (edit: I wish that presenter would shut up and let his guest speak instead of ranting his own opinions for minutes on end).
Absolutely. There are no transwomen, but there ARE trans-identified males. Furthermore there are no transmen. These are trans-identified females. Biological sex is established at conception and is immutable. Female is not a feeling (and neither is male).
Kevin isn’t helping by meeting them halfway. Using the term ‘trans woman’ is problematic, as it contains the word ‘woman’. We absolutely must not feel obligation to agree to preferred pronouns whatsoever. Not at all.
@@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904 Helen is right when she tells him he has 'no skin in the game'. Clearly language is a powerful instrument in legitimising social practice. As she points out, if women call trans-identified males "she" and "her", they will think we are consenting to their invasion of our spaces. Kevin can be 'generous' in his attitude because it is not his sex-based spaces that are being taken over.
I love how Helen gets straight to the point!😅❤️ No bs, just calling a spade a spade. We don't have time to waste on this ridiculous gender Ideology debate, so why play along just to be 'polite' ffs.🤦🏽♀️
You can't change from male to female or female to male. It matters because we're all the human animal. We're not something we make. We're something that's made.
Helen seems to have changed her mind. Only months ago she got involved in an argument about preferred pronouns and told women who said no one should be using them that they were going against freedom of speech ideals. Now she’s telling this bloke he shouldn’t be using them. I’m glad she now understanding the issue properly and realises when people are being cancelled for not using them it’s not a free speech issue it’s a coercion of speech issue that’s is what she should have explained along with the fact it promotes these men using female only spaces.
You’re misunderstanding what she was getting at when she said “But you’re willing to say ‘she/her’” and “you don’t have skin in the game.” She’s talking about why *Keegan* said what she said about “transwomen”. Helen is saying Keegan said that because she doesn’t want to offend. Helen is not actually policing Kevin’s speech here, she was just responding to his question about why Keegan said what she said re: “transwomen”.
@@slacktoryrecords4193 she’s used the exact same explanation and argument that women saying you shouldn’t use preferred pronouns use to explain why people shouldn’t use them. She has done a turn around and now is the one telling people they shouldn’t use them. I’m happy that she’s now explaining why but she’s forgetting she accused women who used the same argument of being against freedom of speech. Go and read her tweets and watch her say it on a couple of panels - she said it. She was sticking up for Andrew from GB News who used preferred pronouns for Hayton on his show. ( He doesn’t usually but instead of explaining why it happened which he eventually did, he doubled down - it was a train wreck) She’s now changed her tune.
@daedalus3597 no she hasn’t. She chided women who were using the exact same argument when she was sticking up for the bloke from GB News. She came out oublically on camera saying he didn’t have to use them.
God Helen is excellent. Everyone will be happier when they admit reality just like Helen. Honestly it would be far healthier for everyone, especially people who say they are "trans".
This is an example of people being "on the same side" but being misguided in the way they play it out. A LOT of people who claim some women are TERFS would actually AGREE with them if they hashed out their acrual thinking on the finer points. ❤
Being a TERF is fine. We insist on correct use of language, we are indissolubly welded to reality, and we do not take bullshit. Let us reclaim the word!
"These people want us to affirm a lie..." Right, and they expect that because YOU ALREADY PRETEND to believe these men are "she/her". What else does "she/her" mean, if it's NOT affirming the fiction, that this person is female?!? You can't call these men "she/her", and then get mad that they expect to be TREATED as "she/her"... You can't both affirm AND OPPOSE, the same lie, simultaneously... Pick a side, and STICK TO IT..
Anarexics look in the mirror and identify as fat so would you give them liposuction.if someone identifies as a cat and they get ill would you send them to a vet,
Helen Joyce ought to write to the woman and offer to spend a short time with her to clarify the terminology. Frame it that it will improve her communication, a benefit to her.
Hilarious that just after Helen corrects the host on the title of her book, the chyron comes on the screen at the bottom and repeats the incorrect title 😂
Helen's become uncompromising in the last couple of interviews she been on. After the Cass review the conservative leaning media has given up a little bit not these glorious terfs
At 2:00, he’s gaslighting the public. Talking about transwomen and ‘the surgeries’. We know that trans ID has NOTHING to do with surgery. We also know that secondary sex characteristics do not make someone the other sex.
So they have gone through a lot of surgery and pain - how the h... does that make them a woman? NONE of them have ever had a baby, which is the main point of a woman!!
As a woman, I disagree profoundly that pregnancy and childbirth are "...the main point of a woman". These are physical capacities that most women have for the fertile phase of our lives, but childbearing must ALWAYS be a CHOICE for all women. It certainly does not define us, and a woman who does not become a mother is as much a woman as one who does. But all women have 'XX' karotype sex chromosomes, and everyone who does become pregnant and give birth IS a woman. No man can do this. Some so-called 'transmen' have done it, because they are NOT men, not male and are in fact trans-identified females.
I wonder if you actually let her speak, the last twice I’ve tuned in to your program,you’ve shouted your guests down. Helen is a fabulous speaker, highly intelligent and truthful. Gillian Keegan is totally misinformed, just because she believes it to be the case. Everyone needs to study the case of India Willoughby who is perfectly angry and rabid about his condition.
I'm glad you said "his". Having a GRC and a penis surgically turned inside out and inserted into the body at roughly the same place as a real female's vagina would be does not a woman make.
This male journalist - Kevin? - is all over the map. He’s trying desperately to be all things to all people. No analytical skills on display from him in this Interview. Yikes.
Well done Helen for holding the host to account.
We have seen throughout every single moment in history, the vitality of language. Language is power. Literacy is power. In the past, they'd cut out your tongue. Now they rob you of your language to tie it for you. It's all wrapped up in the fear of 'unkindness' they have instilled in everyone. Oh, what's a small thing like a pronoun to you? Be kind and use the ones they prefer. Oh, what's a small thing like a sex safe space to you? Be kind and let them use the space they prefer. Oh, what's a small thing like women's rights to you? Be kind, shut up, and allow them to take them from you.
It's so fucking 'feminine' to be kind and move over when you are shoved. I am pleased to say that I am not a feminine woman and will fight tooth-and-nail for the sex-based rights of women.
Well done Helen for pulling him up
YESSSS HELEN!!! Calling him out for being a hypocrite!!! ...."no skin in the game".
I love Helen for calling out Kevin on his hypocrisy here, I think Kevin's generally a good bloke, but he is trying to have his cake and eat it with his stance of _"transwomen are male but I'll still call them she/her."_
@user-mw9bd2ey6s Yes, absolutely I agree, I've seen him speak with Kellie-Jay and many others over the past few years and he always exhibits the same inconsistencies.
Well done Helen! Kevin doesn't have to worry about what us women do when it comes to single sex spaces. Transwomen are men. Stay out!
Agree. Helen should have been more insistent that he will always be a hypocrite while he agrees to call a male ‘she’.
@@penfro Gender-critical women must not give an inch to the transgender lobby. A trans-identified male remains a male. If you are too polite to use the pronoun "he", then use "they". We must never, never be 'kind'. "She" is a pronoun for biological females only.
Gillian Keegan as a (presumably) biological female who is willing to give ground to transgenderism is very much part of the problem, and as for Kevin O'Sullivan, it was so good to hear Helen Joyce calling him out for hypocrisy. If he sees himself as an ally of women, he needs to change his pronoun usage, and fast.
I was staggered at how incompetently Gillian Keegan performed in that Radio 4 interview. No wonder it took her so many years to come to the position of saying ‘I will not call a transwoman a woman.’ She doesn’t seem able to comprehend the basic facts of the debate, even still. Granted, it wasn’t as politically expedient to deny that trans women were women even just a year ago. I however have reached the point where I think that ‘trans’ isn’t even a real thing. It’s just a maladaptive coping mechanism for some people.
Ooh I think that "maladaptive coping mechanism" is a great phrase, can I use it?
@@dyoung1492 Be my guest! The human psyche is a wild and unknowable place, but there’s just no way that humans have evolved to have been ‘born in the wrong body’. The very few people who identify so strongly with the opposite sex that they believe themselves to be in fact a member of the opposite sex, have many factors in common - perhaps they are on the autistic spectrum, perhaps extremely gender non-conforming, perhaps had homophobic parents, perhaps were sexually abused as children, perhaps lost their mother young, or had a very domineering parent…. the list is endless.
Helen Joyce is a breath of fresh air on this gender ideology nonsense (edit: I wish that presenter would shut up and let his guest speak instead of ranting his own opinions for minutes on end).
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He’s a man. He has to prattle on cos his opinions are MOST IMPORTANT
@JustMe-bu1cp She's honest, and the hate is going one way -- against her.
@JustMe-bu1cp sound like you’re the hateful one
Someone explains him that womanhood is not a costume and that there js no such a thing as "a transwoman " .
Absolutely. There are no transwomen, but there ARE trans-identified males. Furthermore there are no transmen. These are trans-identified females. Biological sex is established at conception and is immutable. Female is not a feeling (and neither is male).
Dame Helen.
Doing the lord's work
I thought Helen had written another book, I got excited for a second.
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LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE HELEN❤❤❤❤❤❤ Saw her once irl & I was literally starstruck.
Gillian Keegan doesn’t strike me as the brightest.
She's about pandering for votes like Labour, she clearly isn't about commonsense.
Kevin isn’t helping by meeting them halfway. Using the term ‘trans woman’ is problematic, as it contains the word ‘woman’. We absolutely must not feel obligation to agree to preferred pronouns whatsoever. Not at all.
@@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904 Helen is right when she tells him he has 'no skin in the game'. Clearly language is a powerful instrument in legitimising social practice. As she points out, if women call trans-identified males "she" and "her", they will think we are consenting to their invasion of our spaces. Kevin can be 'generous' in his attitude because it is not his sex-based spaces that are being taken over.
Calling men she/her is what got us here. It's a linguistic battle, as Orwell knew.
I'm with you Helen. Precision of language. If you use inaccurate pronouns you muddy the water and make everything harder. Nip it in the bud.
Only 2- no “non” no “third.” Even for intersex - a red herring. Kellie-jay in Oklahoma🗣️🗣️💪
It's incredible that we have to use so much energy, just to be allowed to speak English correctly!!!
I love how Helen gets straight to the point!😅❤️ No bs, just calling a spade a spade. We don't have time to waste on this ridiculous gender Ideology debate, so why play along just to be 'polite' ffs.🤦🏽♀️
How do you trade one lie for another and still justify your possition..? This is why we love the Joyce, straightforward, uncompromising truth..
You can't change from male to female or female to male. It matters because we're all the human animal. We're not something we make. We're something that's made.
No one had a doubt what’s a woman for millions of years!!!!
Adult human female , no more, no less.
Sorry but as a female whos suffered alot throughout my life! We as women have completely different experiences & its an insult to say other.
Repeal the GRA.
Another gift from Tony Blair
Helen's 100% right. Stop kow-towing to this nonsense. It's not 'kind' to affirm a delusion.
They're not 'trans women' - they're men.
“She needs it explained to her in one syllable words”.
Ms. Joyce!
Helen seems to have changed her mind. Only months ago she got involved in an argument about preferred pronouns and told women who said no one should be using them that they were going against freedom of speech ideals. Now she’s telling this bloke he shouldn’t be using them.
I’m glad she now understanding the issue properly and realises when people are being cancelled for not using them it’s not a free speech issue it’s a coercion of speech issue that’s is what she should have explained along with the fact it promotes these men using female only spaces.
You’re misunderstanding what she was getting at when she said “But you’re willing to say ‘she/her’” and “you don’t have skin in the game.” She’s talking about why *Keegan* said what she said about “transwomen”. Helen is saying Keegan said that because she doesn’t want to offend. Helen is not actually policing Kevin’s speech here, she was just responding to his question about why Keegan said what she said re: “transwomen”.
@daedalus3597 Sadly - and surprisingly - no.
@@slacktoryrecords4193 she’s used the exact same explanation and argument that women saying you shouldn’t use preferred pronouns use to explain why people shouldn’t use them. She has done a turn around and now is the one telling people they shouldn’t use them. I’m happy that she’s now explaining why but she’s forgetting she accused women who used the same argument of being against freedom of speech. Go and read her tweets and watch her say it on a couple of panels - she said it. She was sticking up for Andrew from GB News who used preferred pronouns for Hayton on his show. ( He doesn’t usually but instead of explaining why it happened which he eventually did, he doubled down - it was a train wreck) She’s now changed her tune.
@daedalus3597 no she hasn’t. She chided women who were using the exact same argument when she was sticking up for the bloke from GB News. She came out oublically on camera saying he didn’t have to use them.
@daedalus3597 nope she hasn’t. She may not use them herself but she never chided anyone else for using them.
DNA does not lie, people do!!
Love you, Helen!
God Helen is excellent. Everyone will be happier when they admit reality just like Helen. Honestly it would be far healthier for everyone, especially people who say they are "trans".
This is an example of people being "on the same side" but being misguided in the way they play it out.
A LOT of people who claim some women are TERFS would actually AGREE with them if they hashed out their acrual thinking on the finer points. ❤
Being a TERF is fine. We insist on correct use of language, we are indissolubly welded to reality, and we do not take bullshit. Let us reclaim the word!
"These people want us to affirm a lie..."
Right, and they expect that because YOU ALREADY PRETEND to believe these men are "she/her".
What else does "she/her" mean, if it's NOT affirming the fiction, that this person is female?!?
You can't call these men "she/her", and then get mad that they expect to be TREATED as "she/her"...
You can't both affirm AND OPPOSE, the same lie, simultaneously... Pick a side, and STICK TO IT..
"He/him" are pronouns for people with penises and XY chromosomes. That is the truth of the matter. Let our language reflect reality, not delusion.
As I just heard someone say, "When you've had your male dog neutered, do you call him a bitch?"
How about DNA?????
Ontology trumps feelings.
Anarexics look in the mirror and identify as fat so would you give them liposuction.if someone identifies as a cat and they get ill would you send them to a vet,
3:12 He hasn’t let Helen speak yet. 🤨
Kevin, it would make a huge difference if you and your journo colleagues would not use she / her for men.
Just talked a load of bollox.
Muh follow the science!!! Except chromosomes, sex gametes, that's bogus 🙄
Helen Joyce ought to write to the woman and offer to spend a short time with her to clarify the terminology. Frame it that it will improve her communication, a benefit to her.
Good that Gillian Keegan is no longer in post. Less good that Labour also subscribe to transgenderist crap.
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You need to stop calling 'them ' what 'they' want as you add to my problem.😊
I now refer to people by their biological sex (that not against the law).
Hilarious that just after Helen corrects the host on the title of her book, the chyron comes on the screen at the bottom and repeats the incorrect title 😂
Are the surgeons jumping for joy yet?
Helen's become uncompromising in the last couple of interviews she been on. After the Cass review the conservative leaning media has given up a little bit not these glorious terfs
ALL terfs are glorious - we look reality in the face, and do not baulk at transgenderist lies and intimidation.
Kevin when you call a man she/her to be polite how can you then say "she is not a woman" - do you see it yet Kevin.
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O Sullivan looks a bit like the American health person in the thumbnail. Rachel levine
At 2:00, he’s gaslighting the public. Talking about transwomen and ‘the surgeries’. We know that trans ID has NOTHING to do with surgery. We also know that secondary sex characteristics do not make someone the other sex.
So they have gone through a lot of surgery and pain - how the h... does that make them a woman?
NONE of them have ever had a baby, which is the main point of a woman!!
As a woman, I disagree profoundly that pregnancy and childbirth are "...the main point of a woman". These are physical capacities that most women have for the fertile phase of our lives, but childbearing must ALWAYS be a CHOICE for all women. It certainly does not define us, and a woman who does not become a mother is as much a woman as one who does. But all women have 'XX' karotype sex chromosomes, and everyone who does become pregnant and give birth IS a woman. No man can do this. Some so-called 'transmen' have done it, because they are NOT men, not male and are in fact trans-identified females.
I wonder if you actually let her speak, the last twice I’ve tuned in to your program,you’ve shouted your guests down. Helen is a fabulous speaker, highly intelligent and truthful. Gillian Keegan is totally misinformed, just because she believes it to be the case. Everyone needs to study the case of India Willoughby who is perfectly angry and rabid about his condition.
I'm glad you said "his". Having a GRC and a penis surgically turned inside out and inserted into the body at roughly the same place as a real female's vagina would be does not a woman make.
Poor old Kev. Comes across thick as mince when up against HJ.
You c as n ch as the a lot but one thing you Cannot ever change!!! YOUr DNA!!!
DNA WINS!!!
Its stupid to use made up pronouns - so Kevin is a disgrace here - if you use pronouns then you adding to the problem
The host speaks for ages non-stop 😪
Kevin, shut up, please.
This male journalist - Kevin? - is all over the map. He’s trying desperately to be all things to all people. No analytical skills on display from him in this
Interview. Yikes.