Starting a Vineyard PART 10 - Training second year vines along the trellis line.
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Starting to train second year vines along the trellis wire. Hopefully they may produce my first grapes this year.
Second year vines are a little different from future vines in that they do not yet have a previous years growth from which to work from. Specifically, the shoots that we want to train along the trellis line are not sturdy and woody as future ones will be, but they are green and very delicate. But we have to start somewhere.
In this video I start to train my new vines along the trellis and show you how delicate they can be.
If you haven't already have a look at my other videos in this series that charts my progress so far.
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I was always taught to do this training in winter when the vines are dormant!
You are right in that it is always better to train vines in the dormant months. The only problem with second year vines is they don't tend to have enough growth from the previous year to train along the line in winter. Its only when they wake up in spring that they put on enough growth that one can start to train them. In the third year onwards I totally agree with you.
I really enjoy these videos, thanks!
This period of vine growth isn't talked about much in most videos, so thank you for producing it! I had always been afraid to prune much after the initial late winter dormancy pruning, but realize it's an important part of training the vines to the trellis wires. Cheers there.
Hi there. Thank you for your comment. Glad you found it useful. Vines can take a heavy pruning in the winter dormancy.
Loving this series and finding it extremely useful. Thanks for sharing it.
Hi there. Thank you, you're very welcome.
I'm binge watching these all in one night. I'm really enjoying this series and can't wait to see how they turn out! Your demonstrations and enthusiasm are wonderful. And hello from Berkeley!
These videos have helped me so much. Thank you
I'm so glad! Good luck in your vineyard.
I’m looking forward to seeing a video on the leaf wall.
All very informative. Been very helpful! Thank you!
Coming soon! Leaf walls are coming along nicely at the moment. Could do with abit more sunshine.....
it has been a long time, it's nice to see you again and your vineyard it's looking amazing! , grettings form Oaxaca, México 🇲🇽
Hi there and greetings to Mexico!! Thank you. It's amazing what a bit of sunshine does!!
Thank you so much this instruction which was so clear. I have a 2 year vine amazing number of bunches last year. I have a small Permaculture home garden. I just started to train my new shoots vine and broke some good shoots will be much more gentle. I did not realise how brittle the stem was.😊
It's looking beautiful
Thank you Jeffrey. A
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I'm enjoying your vine videos. We have a vineyard of 254 Sangiovese on our property in central Victoria (Australia) and we are just coming out of our second winter and hoping to move in to our first proper vintage season. I'll keep on eye on yours because you are 6 months ahead. All the best.
That's great - it sounds lovely where you are. Keep me updated how you get on too.
Hi I'm from South Africa and have been following your videos for some time now. Well interestingly enough is that your videos are giving me enough confidence to get into starting a small vine farm. Appreciate the content and well done mate.
I learn a lot. Thanks very much! Maybe you could share about fertilizing the vines👍👍👍
Will do soon
Very nice video, thank you.
🍻Just did this today in Indiana.
Love it. Well done and hello to Indiana!!
Perfect
Hi, love the videos. We bought 40 plants in spring and planted them. They are apparently one year old grafts. We are a few months in some are up to a metre tall which is above the cordon wire. Should we pinch them now or let it thicken and wait until they are dormant and prune? Thanks
Hi there.
Well done on getting some plants in. The vines sound like they have taken very well. If it were me I would probably pinch off the growing tips once they are just above the wire so long as there are a good number of leaves below. The leaves will help develop the immature roots further. This in turn should mean that the stem should thicken up over the summer. You can of course leave them aswell, but in my experience you tend to get a vine that quickly becomes out of control and quite gangly. If you are not sure, you could always try nipping the tips off some and see how they develop. The other method I have used is to bend the growing tip along the fruiting wire and nip it off once it has extended about 1metre - this allows the vine to grow a bit more before you cut the tip. The aim in this first year is to get that stem to a pencil thickness before winter. This gives them the best chance to survive the cold.
Very best of luck in your vineyard.
I heard that we should take the grapes off the vine its first and 2nd year, so that the roots can get more established before actually growing grapes in its 3 year. Am I wrong?
Hi there. You are quite right, in that it's more important to get the vine strong first. Year 3 is really the first year that you will get any meaningful grapes. Out of our 300 vines, I would say that about 30 vines are really racing away, vigorous and strong - I will only be tempted to get grapes in year 2 off these few. As with the other vines, they are only producing mini bunches, which I am snipping off as I am more concerned with them to get stronger. So yes, on the whole, I would say you are right.
I dont know how to post a picture. I've had trouble either with my pup breaking the vine or my posts moving once I tightened the wires, so I'm at the end of 3 yrs. So I wanted to slow the growth until I got different poles & lines strung. But I have multiple vines. What do I do to get ready for next yr? 5:08
Hope the cold isnt too bad over there. My black spanish are under mulch. Anyway I'm wondering if you could do a single cordon thats 8 feet long in one direction instead of two 4 foot arms in opposite directions
Last year I got some grapevine sticks, put them in water and I got a lot of vines, I did cut them in march back to 2 3 buds, I just sniped off unwanted buds 2 days ago, in June they will have 1'year, its gonna be a mess, I have no idea what species they are, I have all kind of leaves and bark colors.
I got a new batch of sticks.. and its not going great, they root very slow and some just die, probably is the temperature, I hope I can plant at least 30.
Love this plant.. if a rich person could gift me some land I would move there with a tent and make my vineyard from scratch.
Always nice to see your video's! Have you considered attaching these new shoots in April '22? If you'd let them grow vertically until then, they wood be 'wood' at that time, stronger and better developed. It's only in May '22 that these horizontal branches should develop new vertical shoots which will give you grapes. I'm wondering if you won't develop too many suckers now (this year) by laying them down already. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
Hi Philip. Many thanks for your insights. Time will indeed tell. I did get a good suggestion also from another fruit grower that suggested training the shoots in the opposite direction to their natural bend. This gives less strain on that weak joint. Anyway very intrigued by your suggestions, can you explain the April22 and May22 reference as I'm keen to learn more. A
@@mycountrylife810 In Belgium (and also France) it's common practice to 'lay down' the shoot the winter after it has grown, when it became woody. It will be stronger and potentially better developed. My reference is the guyot VSP pruning method. By laying it down just after the frost period, you also reduce risks of frosts.
Hi Philip. Ah yes I see what you mean. Yes that is certainly what I'll be doing in year 3 onwards. I'm treating year 2 as a bit of a learning curve as I don't have any of last year's growth to work from. Not expecting to get many grapes this year but hopefully I'll be getting some decent woody stems that I can use properly next year. Thank you for your insights, they are really useful. A
Thanks for the helpful video. I'm in the UK too, and starting to have a go with grapes. Did you leave all of the baby grape bunches in place? Some people have been advising to remove most of the grapes on a 2-year-old vine. Does leaving them in place stunt growth?
Very informative. May I know what variety of grape is this one?
Is there a reason why you chose to keep only one stock? In case of failure, it's becoming more and more common to keep two stocks per plant. One is trained left and the other right. If one fails, then the other can be retrained to both directions.
Hi Tylor -- that's a good question and time will tell if that is the way to go. The double guyot method does build in some contingency just in case one side fails but as you say, these two branches come from one main stem.
I have noticed however, from the new vines that we planted this year that those that have been encouraged to grow one stem have grown faster and taller than those that have two. As soon as they reach the main fruiting line they are pinched at the top to prevent further growth upwards and they then fill out ready for the colder winter months. Those that have two stems may not have the chance to create strong sturdy stems in time for winter. But as I say, time will tell......
My grape vine is on its second year, and it has so many shoots taken off all over the place on my last year arms. I have no idea what I'm even doing! I'm just gonna leave it alone at this point, but I do have to make a trellis for those shoots very soon. It's growing on a 5 Foot chain link fence. Does anyone have any pointers for me, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! I believe there black table grapes.
I have a question, can you transplant a matured grapevine with a think trunk
Yes you can. I have one growing right now. Just broke the 5ft mark too
Hi Anthony - your videos are super helpful. I wondered if you had an email address so I can contact you about a few things. I've started my own vines and had a few questions. J x
Hi there. Glad you like the videos.
Happy to answer questions if I can.
Try me on mycountrylife@myyahoo.com
What soil type do you have?
We’ve got heavy clay, any tips?
Heavy clay is not very good for vines as drainage is very which is important for them
Hi there. We have light clay soil here. I think if you have heavy clay then either install drainage, or go for a vine with a root stock that is best for poor draining soils. We chose the SO4 root stock for this reason and the vines in year two are really quite vigorous.
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