MAS 45 (aka Carabine D'Instruction Modèle 1945)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2020
- Chap does a show and tell covering the MAS45, a nice simple .22 universal traininer used by the French armed forces for 35+ years. Aside from the unique rear sight it shares many similarities to Mauser .22 rifles of the 1930s and 40s, including the KKW, and from it's interesting history it's clear to see why.
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And to think we used to have whole crates of them for 200 francs...Now you'll be lucky to find one under 700 euros.
The way of all surplus. Here in the US you've been able to get all sorts of western and former Soviet surplus by the crate for cheap at different points in time. Carcanos, Enfields, M1 Carbines, Makarov pistols, the list goes on. Now all of those fetch premium prices. I bought an Enfield No4. Mk. 1* for $120 at a pawn shop when I was 18, now that same kind of rifle in worse condition than mine goes for $6-700 on the auction sites.
What fortuitous timing. I just purchased one of these. An excellent and less well known military trainer!
What a strange megalovania cover at 16:56. Didn't expect that! Interesting video! Thanks for taking the time to make an english version of these videos!
Ian suggested this video and Chap did not disappoint. Sorry I missed this months ago
I thought my varnished stock was a replacement because I had never seen them before. I'm glad to know that it's original! Thank you!
If it’s a Mauser one then yes, otherwise it can have been varnished once it entered the civilian market
Thanks for the bolt breakdown at 24:21. we have a set of these at our scout camp, and everyone struggles with how to clean the bolt
I love my MAS 45! Ian said he will include it in the second edition of his book. Thank you for the video! Info (in English) on the rifle is difficult to come by.
Back in the early 1990s surplus MAS 45 rifles could be had in the US for about $150. A friend bought one and it was a beauty. I however was content to spend $79 for a surplus Chinese JW-8 trainer (which is a good rifle, but not a MAS 45).
Chappie
I have one of these beautiful rifles and had bought it new when in the Navy while stationed in Charleston SC 34 years ago. I fell in love with the basic spartan look. I knew nothing of them before I bought it. It came with the two magazines and the sling. I have not shot it much in all those years. You peaked my interest, with this video, to dig in my safe and shot it the next time I go shooting. Right now with price of 30-06 being do high, I will have to give the M1 Garlands a break. I have plenty of 22lr. It is a great shooter. Be safe I enjoy yours and Blokes vids
Excellent sir!
I've had my eye out for one of these for years, no luck so far.
Lovely little rifle. A French fried mini Mauser with a rear sight in the wrong place, perfect😉
Nice deep dive vid Chappie, I like the idea of going through the same training regimen as recruits in the way Rob at British Muzzle Loaders does, to give everyone a clear idea of the process. 👍
Makes me miss the ol' No. 8 and bolt action funtimes of half a lifetime ago.
i used ot work for an early importer. i picked one up that was new. great rifle. a buddy talked me out of it and wish i still had it. somewhere i have a couple of magazines.
Yes please!
Tres interessant, a complete bedtime story with a happy ending. Cheers.
Rifle and it's history was neat. The kitty stole the show though.
Very nicely done. Quite a nice rifle. wish I could find one here in central Texas. I go to a lot of gun shows and have never seen one.
So I'm not the only one here in Central Texas looking for nice little 22's!
Ooh Err, a French long arm that Gun Jesus overlooked, hmmmm
Only dropped once.
He has to leave something out otherwise there would be nothing to put in the second edition.
How dare you question Gun Jesus, heretic! If Gun Jesus didn't mention it he must have had his reasons.
Until today, hon hon hon!
@@lynnkramer1211 this is a rifle carried by raw recruits i gaurrntee it get s dropped quite a bit
That's a nice looking rifle.
Un fusil Française that's missed by Ian? Sacre bleu!
Sock you too, there clap.
@@lynnkramer1211 needs something for the second edition otherwise who would buy it?
it's "français" btw :D
fusil is masculine et français is an adjective in this case
@@henrynelson11 I'm English, being bad at other languages is a national tradition... I'm doing my best :)
I predict a sudden jump in views now that Forgotten Weapons linked to the video.
Guilty :)
A rifle absent from Ian's book? Now that's quite interesting! But what is even more interesting is the story of the French occupation of Oberndorf a/Neckar.
18:33 Shouldn't it be "Trės bien"?
19:23 Ah, so now it's the scoring, not the group size? That was mighty confusing.
27:02 This is a picture that needs to be shown.
18:33 Yes indeed!
Re group size: Not really, makes sense to focus grouping before scores for a noob.
@@thebotrchap I get it now, yes, but to me that wasn't obvious from the video.
I can see the rational, first it wasn’t a combat rifle, and second it wasn’t French made.
No tools needed to remove the front sight. Depress the plunger and the front sight slides out the front. Sight blades from a CZ are supposed to fit I you want or need a different height sight blade.
Cool. I was given one a few years ago. Need a butt plate and sling swivels though.
Thank you
Brilliant!
If I was independently wealthy I think that I would collect .22lr military training rifles. I have always thought that they were very cool, and at least before 2008 the ammunition was cheap and plentiful.
There are lots of forums dedicated to it . Historic Military .22s have a good community as do the older civilian .22s
First rifle I ever shot. I really need to pick one up.
Thanks for the video! Found one of these for myself in the US a few years ago. Never realized how simple it was to remove the front sight hood, I had never thought to remove it! Also regarding the front sight blade, you mentioned it was difficult to replace, but mine is held in its dovetail by nothing more than a spring-loaded plunger. Are there different versions of this front sight?
I have been meaning to locate a spare ejector for the rifle, mine seems to be quite worn and it does not kick out empty cases, I have to tip the rifle to the side in order to chamber the next cartridge
Just saw your question, they ALL do this right from New the case is just released and lays there in the way of loading the next round, I bought one new in the 80s and it did that, went through 3 more before I realized there's nothing wrong with them just a design flaw , let me know if you found out about any modification for it
@@ericschulze5641 hey that's good to hear actually. not a one-off problem! still haven't found a "solution" but honestly I don't take the rifle out very often unless I'm taking someone to the range who is brand new to shooting. dealing with the spent case helps to prevent burning through your five shots too quickly I suppose
There is that music we all know and love!
Mine also shoots far too high on the 30m setting with modern ammunition.
A question about the training manual: What does it teach about operating the bolt? Does it show the gentle .22 style as seen on the video, or does it go straight to full power manhandling?
It doesn’t mention it at all for learning to shoot. There is a section at the end on using it to train snap shooting and there it is indeed mentioned that the bolt should be worked rapidly to prepare for the next shot.
I saw where the French were thinking of chambering the rifle in 5.6x37R. I can find no data on this cartridge but did find a cartridge 5.6x35R. Would this have been the other chambering?
It would take much more time to read that manual than to learn to shoot the rifle. A good coach and a fifty round box of .22 ammo and most people would have the basics. Some would be shooting 2" groups at 50 yards.
Looks like a very sturdy .22.
The manual is for the officers/instructors. We’re talking mass instruction of conscripts, not careful tuition by a pro coach.
I was making a joke.
@@gregwarner3753 Well technically you’re not wrong 😀
Reminds me of the cooey
Is that a repro of a part of the Bayeux tapestry on the wall?
Yes, reproduced by my mum.
@@thebotrchap Your Mom? That's impressive.
A French No8 if you will?
Yep 😊
Looks like one fine gopher gun to me.
But Chap, 3 round groups aren't!
Indeed but in the 50s they were and didn’t know any better
I thought French guns went "le pew".
The French vid uses a different term indeed 😉
👍😎👍thank you. You have a beautiful cat.
One of our two MaineCoons ❤️
@@thebotrchap Handsome beast :-)
GWTPict GWTPict Why you make me blush sir! Oh you mean the cat, errr yes indeed he is 😉
@@thebotrchap I've always liked the look of Maine Coons, but all my cats over the years have been adopted from one source or another so basically moggies. Or as the vets records state, 'breed - DSH' (Domestic Short Hair).
GWTPict GWTPict We’ve had rescues up until we moved to CH. The MCs are dogs in cat skins.
19:15 Did you read out the accuracy bands for 50 metres incorrectly? 49-50 tres bien, under 40 the worst.
It changed from the square to the points rings, I thought that too initially!
@@ihcfn Well spotted sir!
So 'cat' is another one of your languages.
It's as simple enough language as long as you're able to pick up on the regional dialects! 🤠👍
I t beautiful but I would quibble about the bolt action and the cartridge size. I have no actual experience with this kind of firearm
If only there was a French version
Si seulement...
I saw your comment on the French language version 😆
Why is the French language version of this video 6 minutes longer?
Because it’s a different language and some things use more words to say. The content is the same though.
Can confirm. French usually needs more words, except when it doesn't :D
"Qu'est-ce que" = "what" :D
@@BlokeontheRange
Thank you very much
Merci beaucoup
😁
Je vous prie de bien vouloir agréer, Monsieur, l'expression de mes sentiments les meilleurs.
Yours sincerely.
à toi de jouer
your move :p
@@BlokeontheRange Monsieur, je n'ai aucun mouvement. Je suis un Australien stupide avec Google Translate comme seule grâce salvatrice. Je vous offrirai une victoire gracieuse car je résiste à détruire davantage la langue française. Au revoir :)
Music to shoot by. Get down!!! Also, not hitting the target at 100 meters is c'est dommage!
??? It shoots just fine at 100m.
@@thebotrchapIt even works well at 200 m, with a wedge under the rear sight tab.
lefr33man I’m sure it does!
I hate pin-hole apertures. I almost always drill them out larger if they don't take replacement apertures
Shouldn't that have been "le pew"? :)
boy you look different with beard and moustache
I’ve had both your quite a few years 😅
@@thebotrchap must of missed them
Meow
What a nice puddy tat.
You speak French and we let you into the U.S.? We already have Ian; that's our quota. At least the cat is reasonable, the meows weren't in French. They sounded suspiciously German, but I'll yield to Bismarck for his decision.
AFAIK Switzerland isn’t a US state but then again the world map has changed since I last had a geography lesson in school 25-ish years ago.
@@thebotrchap Could have fooled me, with all them guns!
@@thebotrchap I thought I heard you say that you had seen the rifles for sale in the U.S. I must have misheard you.
Pulsatyr I know a few people in the US who have them so they seem to be out there.
@@thebotrchap "I've seen quite a few of them for sale also in the U.S." Sorry, I am from the Midwest, so English is a foreign language. I assumed that you had visited and hadn't considered online sales and such. Of course, th comment was just tongue in cheek. It was very late here when I viewed the video. I get a little punchy at 3:00 a.m.