I hate that they didnt use evelyn to her full potential as probably redeemed antihero, or gave her an evil alter ego. She was too good as character and with her relationshipwith elasto girl. Maybe give her regrets and more humanity at least. It could have been good with the characters.
Yeah but if you can move your hands that fast you could have 10x the amount of objects slowing falling through the air. You would be moving much faster even though the objects weren't and that could still be 'juggling really fast'. Anyway this was a joke and I liked your joke also.
Im so glad violet, with the ability to generate shields that would be super useful in protecting the city the boat is about to crash into, or stopping the propeller of the boat or isolating the fuel lines etc, finally matured by the end of the film to stay behind and take care of the invulnerable super baby with the ability to turn into; liquids, gases, flubber, a giant baby, a metal baby, an uncontrollable monster baby, and set himself on FIRE ! I'm so glad that pixar decided that it was the correct decision to have the teen girl superhero decide to stay back with the baby (like a good 1950s girl) instead of idk, ACTUALLY HELP HER FAMILY WITH HER SUPERPOWERS? So her younger brother, with his complete lack of helpful powers for that situation (as evidenced by him being able to do........ Literally just helping hoist his dad back up into the boat after he went underwater to take out the propeller with his super strength, where he nearly drowned) could contribute, while violet, who could literally put a shield around the propeller and stop it immediately, has to stay back and hold the baby 🤨🙄 Like, how did they go BACKWARDS from the first movie, where violet AND dash got to be proactive and helpful in the fights and family life? All they had to do was have violet say " im gonna take care of the baby" and have DASH have a moment of maturity (which he generally sorely lacks) where he says "No, I'll take the baby, you're the one who can make huge shields, you need to be protecting people" or whatever. Have THAT be that moment of the kids BOTH maturing and taking care of their sibling, not just violet 🙄
I am still of the opinion that this would have been a better film had the characters aged 14 years. We could have had a bit of backstory during intro credits but then get right into the super family all grown up.
Brad Bird keeps telling us he didn't want to do that because continuing from The Incredibles' cliffhanger so we can see how they beat the Underminer was much easier than a 14-year timeskip where they would develop new powers or deal with Dash and Violet being adults and Jack-Jack being a teenager. At least here we can keep going with the plot of baby Jack-Jack having many, many superpowers. March 4, 2019, 6:54pm
@@violettbellerose1173 What's wrong with continuing the story with The Incredibles facing the Underminer from the end of the first movie? It was how the rest of the story was executed that was lazy writing. They can afford a new Dash voice just like Finding Dory could afford a new Nemo voice when Finding Dory takes place 1 year after Finding Nemo, rather than 13 years. March 18, 2019, 10:52pm
@@adampkalb ??? There's nothing wrong with it, if it had been well done. You literally wrote that it was easier to continue the story where it left than the 14 year timeskip, so choosing the easier way, in this case, is lazy, imo. Why imagine how their powers would have developed, how their lifes would be with the anti-hero law gone, how the characters aged, how their designs have changed, when you can simply just pick it up where you started? In fact is even worse, because they retreated (not sure if that's the correct word) in the character development area. That way you don't have to work on those things, you don't have to work in how to relate to the audience that now has grow up, instead just try to relate to the new generation, which is easier because if someone calls you out on that you can simply say "this is a kids movie", which is not a good excuse (not saying they said this, tho). I don't understand the voice point.
@@violettbellerose1173 But then we would never know how things ended with the Underminer! I think what I meant was that they didn't need to do a 14-year timeskip, although I admit that would be a good way to not replace Spencer Fox as the voice of Dash. March 19, 2019, 9:33am
While I enjoyed the movie, I do have my problems with it. 1: Evelyn's plan makes no fucking sense, yes she wants super heroes to stop coddling the public, but what the fuck is the public supposed to do about the Underminer, what are they supposed to do about HER. It seems as if she's in favor of militarization of the police. 2: This movie could've definitely made a statement about the police between body cams and their potential militarization, but just says nothing. Hell they could've come out, looked directly into the camera and said "You don't trust us because of our powers, but you trust him because he has a badge?"
I agree 100%, i feel the first Incredibles was fresh and smart, it has very nice message about how to deal with your own identity while you are a piece of a society who never aknowledge your individuality. The second is like “What if The Incredibles was made after the MCU?”. The concern appears to be much more with the spectacle, the action scenes and comtemporary references, instead of actually giving it a heart.
Have fun with the sitter? "What does the 'S' stand for?" "For... Sitter! Originally I was gonna have initials for 'Baby Sitter' but then I would've been goin around wearing a big 'BS'" XD Syndrome is an icon.
And not only that, he was RIGHT about the superpowers!! And about a bunch of other things... As someone who has worked with vulnerable youth, I trully could never forgive Mr Incredible for being such a crappy mentor. He's the one to blame.
@@reyalfa18 "Oh my dad died because he relied on super heroes to save us so now i have to make them illegal and show that they are dangerous" compared to "the one person i believed in the most betrayed me because of my abilities or lack there of. Ill show them who truly is super by developing incredible technology that can rival that of superheroes and create a society where everyone is super." While both come off as petty, Syndrome had a bigger objective by removing Superheroes and giving everyone his technology to where anyone can protect themselves and no longer rely on Supers while the other person was trying to achieve something that didnt even make sense. Like why make Supers illegal when they havent even been legalized yet. Even then whats the payoff? That and she just sucked as a character while Syndrome was enjoyable like in a dorky way yet can be menacing when he wants to.
Please do a collaboration with Jenny Nicholson. I think it would be cute watching two of the most awkward, deadpan reviewers on RUclips interact with each other.
Joel: "We went to see Christopher Robin in cinemas this weekend. I had a really good time. The movie does some really interesting things and I liked the animation." Nicholson: "I hated it and it ruined my childhood."
Cedric Wublin More like Nicholson: "Man, A. A. Milne was really an asshole, wasn't he? I don't know what else you would call a father who tells bedtime stories to his son and then writes those stories down with Christopher Robin as the main character and makes millions off of an ideal image of his son that he can never live up to and ironically will never be able to have a normal childhood because everyone will always think of him as 'Hey, aren't you named after the boy in all those kids' books about a stuffed animal cult that worships the boy as the second coming of Jesus?' You know, I am sure am glad I won't be immortalized in the media as a certain persona which doesn't exist that I can never escape from." *direct stare into the camera*
@@Jdudec367 It's weird to dislike because you disagree though. Disliking is something I only do if I dislike the video, not if it's a good video but I disagree with its points...
Definitely was not worth waiting 14 years. Sad to see that Pixar has lost their touch when it comes to sequels. They should just stick to making new original films.
Eli N.S Jesus it was not THAT bad. It’s one of Pixar’s greatest sequels competing against the Toy Story Sequels. It was a great and joyful movie I’ve watched about 3 times because 1) I loved the movie and 2) I wanted to analyze some scenes and such. Yes it definitely has its flaws but it’s not a bad movie not even close IMO
Adrian Martinez lol it's not like it has that much competition. Cars 2 was an awful, bizarre spy movie (but cars!)) and Cars 3/Monster U was so damn formulaic and lacking any creativity (oh they got eliminated, but wait! They got saved by a technicality! I've never seen that before!) The only ones that were decent were the Toy Story ones. Toy Story 2 was just passable and Toy Story 3 was decent, but now they're going to drive that into the ground too with a completely unnecessary Toy Story 4
Thank god someone is saying it. I hated it. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty decent movie, but it is such a disappointment coming from the masterpiece that was the first one.
@@jasonsandheinrich7022 The Good Dinosaur, Cars 2, Ralph Breaks the Internet, The Lion King (remake), Trolls 1 and 2, etc. is definitely worse than Incredibles 2. Incredibles 2 is a good movie, but just bad execution.
also, the "watching game shows" bit was probably because it took place in the sixties, and that would've made more sense at the time than saying people were playing more (video) games, which barely would've been a thing
Man, when the Screenslaver was talking about that, I was so down for it. A villain with a semi-woke perspective on life wanting to take down society and liberate the populace? Heck yeah! Nah, she just hates supers. Sure...
That happens sometimes, like I agree with 100% of the criticism of Doctor Strange but I still really liked it. Just depends on if the good stuff can compensate.
@Angel DoubleG Some people loved it, some people meh-d it. If you want a great example see Redlettermedia's review of Doctor Strange- one of them really liked it because it had great visuals, and the other thought it was too formulaic.
Same actually, it was a fun ride and extremely nostalgic for me and a gorgeous upgrade in visuals and music. But I 100% agree with every take in this video.
I think this guy got kidnapped and doing this against his will. Just look at his eyes looking up all the corners This is a joke but he does look at every direction
When Elastigirl meets the other super heroes? Yeah that felt weird. Like, before that there's not indication of super heroes being treated like "freaks" or anything like that. So to take it in an X-men direction all of a sudden adds nothing. Then there's Violet speaking to Void near the end, which also felt strange. "Let's imply these two are gonna get to know each other. Okay, now let's FORGIT ABAHT IT."
yeah and also there was originally a scene where mr incredible spoke for all the fallen heroes by syndromes hand and it was sort of implied to be similar to the aids crisis, and also in some off-screen lore thunderhead is said to be raising children with a male roommate, so theres defo lgbt stuff going on that disney doesnt want to be too explicit
I think there may be some misunderstanding with the villain’s motivations but idk. The way I interpreted it was she discovered what her brother was doing when he asked for help with it and figured “welp time to sabotage this project” and got involved to do that. It wasn’t her idea to do all this that was her brother’s she was just trying to sabotage it by making super’s look bad
Spoilers in me comment Not bad but not as great as the first 1. In terms of villains she's C rate one at best, with Syndrome he had personal Vendetta, and inferiority complex that drove him to be who he was, he literally built himself from the ground up, and his philosophy of " If everyone is super no one is..." makes sense. As for Evelyn(?) her motives were pretty weak, she seems to be under a quasi liberterian mindset in that she thinks people shouldn't rely on other BUT her whole modus operandi could never work without others to exploit. As her being angered at her fathers death its somewhat understandable, BUT its not the fault of supers but moreso just her fathers poor foresight, and fragility. Honestly she would have benefited more by taking syndromes work and marketing it to the public, making Supers a thing of the past, but instead she just ops for a cheap manipulation tactic that backfires due to her own carelessness. To compare the 2 isn't even fair Syndrome is hands down a great villain while Evely(?) just comes as across as a bitter keyboard warrior with access to enough money to fund her petty plan. Also another thing that irks me is that they reintroduce Supers but give little to now personality save for SJW side haircut girl Void and even then its not that much. They could've had it so that at the very least the Parr family interacted with said persons in their everyday lives without knowing the other is a Super. For example introduce the Void chick in Violets school as an upper classman who has a run with Violet, with the former having insecurites "mysterious circumstances" and Violet helping her seeing as she had problems like that prior to being more outgoing,maybe have the How is still alive Reflux guy be one of Dash's teacher , anything would've been suffice but they show up only yo be used as fake villains later on...
I think her motivation was based off of having an ideology on a completely different spectrum from her brother's, which is brilliant, but they did not really touch upon it very well. Evelyn believed that humans are way too dependent on supers after all their trust caused her parents to get killed while her brother saw that supers can make the world better if humans believed in them. Screenslaver actually was slapped into the movie last minute which explains why it was so corny but I believe she could've been a great villain if she was given more depth.
Bob Dole I really, really like your idea for making the new supers be characters that the Parr family already knows in their mundane life. Maybe even have Violet notice Void jumping out of places where there's no windows or doors or question why this one girl is able to take so many classes and extracurricular activities in one day (because Void is transporting to different classes when no one is looking). So Violet investigates and confronts Void about having superpowers. Hell, I was even expecting Tony would be a secret super and it slips out during his date with Violet.
darrel Yeah it's weird because if you actually look around and see the house design, clothing options and vehicles it's pretty clearly set back then but that isn't the point of the movie so it's almost totally unnoticeable if you aren't looking for it.
Those are my same thoughts Joel. I nearly got murdered for voicing that out.. Lol. Dnt get Me wrong, I loooooveeee the Incredibles...
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A major thing is that they kinda hit the reset on the family's development itself. In the last movie Mr. Incredible loved his new job partly because he had more time to spend with his family and his wife and by the end of the episode, Violet had developed more confidence and self-clarification. But in the new movie the wife and hubby fight again, Bob apparently doesn't know anything about kids anymore and violet is even more unstable than the first movie. What's more is that they try to say "Bob is a good hero but he's not good at parenting" but make Elastigirl awesome at doing superhero stuff despite not having been a super for a while. So she just comes off as a bit mary sue because she's a great parent and a great super, and a great detective, but her hubby is bad at everything - like... seriously. They made it seem like the family had been stittched together in the last movie but in II Bob is so upset about his wife getting to be a super, like seriousy, he's kinda a douche about it.
Jaylin Broan personally I kind of get here bob is coming from. If I’ve done something I spent my whole life doing and I was how I defined myself then my significant other out of nowhere is the one doing it and is better in every way, I’d feel really shitty too. He should definitely be happy for her but I’d feel a bit bad too. They could have showed it a lot better though, like instead of being angry at her, he would try even harder at raising the kids. Idk that’s just my 2 cents
@@yagirl177 his point is that it doesnt make sense for his wife to be so good at being a hero because shes a parent most of the time, whilst bob is a hero most of the time so he sucks at parenting.
He wasn't mad his wife was good. He was insulted that he wasn't the best. Its a morally gray area he was pushed into. He put his heart into being a hero. We see in the first movie him and Frozone are still being heroes in their free time. Bob isn't getting credit for it either. Hes doing it because he loves being a hero. And when you want to be the best at something, and being told you're not, it's incredibly hurtful. But He was honestly very supportive for someone put in that position, even playfully teasing her about it. He wanted her to succeed, he realized that making her stress about the kids, sure would've made him look bad, but it also would've made her quit. Because he knows she values their family more than anything. He clearly cares about his wife. And his kids. He knows they love being heroes and being themselves, he goes out of his way to better help Dash with math, learning ways of dealing with Jack Jack and tries to fix Violets relationship. He's just not the best at it. And with Helen, her heroics were staged. Sure she did as she normally would but, We have to take in consideration that Evelyn was behind them. Helen was shocked at how well she did and when the news came, that hurt Bob even more. Not because his wife is so much better. But because it confirmed that he wasn't good enough to be the best. I mean in the first movie we see him stop a train as well, trying to save the passengers on board and was still scrutinized by some for not doing good enough. Helen caused minimal damage and saved everyone on board. While if I remember correctly Bob wasnt able to stop all of the damage that ensued.
The way i viewed it was bob wasn't a great parent in the first movie encouraging dash to mess with his teacher and just overall being irresponsible but was a dad trying his best. Violet gained confidence but is still a middleschool girl? (might be highschool idk) so she gained a bit of confidence but her boy got mind zapped and is trying to rebuild the relationship but her dad who doesn't know much about her life messes it up trying to help her. dash matured a tiny bit. as for elastigirl she made to be "great" because it is all fake everything that she is doing is set up by the villain so she appears "great" in the end she has to be saved by her kids. by the end of the movie its clear she wasn't an amazing super hero she fell for the trap and didn't investigate enough untill it was to late.
This is a problem with a lot of sequels. They go back to the problems the characters had instead of coming up with new problems for them to overcome. If writers are forced to do this it's a good sign they don't have any actual idea for a sequel and probably shouldn't make one.
I don’t agree with the first two points. They are explained in the movie - sure, they could have been done better. Regarding the first point, the sequel begins immediately after the first movie ends. They didn’t go back into hiding, it’s just that no one has had a chance yet to notice they did something right... and then immediately screwed up again. If they were immediately welcomed without the media spin campaign, it would be a continuity error. As for the date, the concept that being a superhero has consequences for the kids... it could have been done better, to be sure. As for the Batman example, you’re missing the point - there are two capitalists, one good, one evil. One wants supers to be great, and one wants them to stay illegal. As for 3.2, the absence of the body cam isn’t the point of the costume change, it’s reclaiming her membership in the family. As for 3.4, this is... character development. Almost losing the baby after he splits on the ship was a recent event. Could all of this have been done better? Of course, it’s fluffy entertainment and I wasn’t expecting Shakespeare, but the commentary here is unconvincing.
-The Incredibles and Frozone save a city from a giant robot at the end of the original and clearly people noticed they did something right. There’s even a three month time skip at the end of the original film to have audiences infer maybe something actually happened. -Syndrome didn’t want supers to be great, he just wanted supers to be ordinary and not special in their way, just be like everybody else, just join a bandwagon with no creative voice. -That’s pretty shallow character development. -No one should expect Shakespeare, but you should at least expect a sequel to be as clever and coherent as it’s predecessor.
J Man infer, perhaps - but public opinion isn’t going to change when supers fix a problem created by supers. It’s a bit like gun control - if there are no bad guys with guns, there’s no need for good guys with guns (not an argument I agree with, btw, but an argument that’s frequently made and would easily be made in-universe). There’s an (apparently baseless) expectation that I’m hearing here that the events of the first movie changed public perception, which I’m not seeing but would have to rewatch the first to confirm. I’m not saying the movie was great (too many safe choices), just that the points discussed here are pretty weak. Compared to any Fantastic 4 movie, it still knocks it out of the park.
@J Man, seems you misunderstood the point of "here are two capitalists, one good, one evil. One wants supers to be great, and one wants them to stay illegal.". He wasn't talking about Syndrome, he was talking about the two brothers in this second movie.
MegaMarkLM and the brother is a good guy who ends the movie still supportive of supers. The sister who was the ultimate villian is the one who was anti super
On the bit about Evelyn's plan not making sense: Bringing the supers back was not part of Evelyn's master plan. Winston came up with that first, and Evelyn just turned it on him to make Winston and the Supers look incapable, ensuring the supers would never get another chance in society. It's like if Batman heard Alfred was going to start a petition to let Joker loose from Arkham, so he quietly played along, pretending he was alright with it, only to flip the plan at the last second to make sure it failed.
Eric Taxxon I really liked this movie. Under more serious scrutiny, it has some significant flaws (some narrative choices are not bad, but some people may be unhappy because they wanted another path to the story, it is impossible to please everyone, the plotlines don't tie together to a richer whole that well and the movie lacks coesion in its many themes, being often incoherent, messy, unorganic and unsubtle about them, its big themes feeling often thrown away and expositive, with the characters literally stopping to talk philosophically about the themes too often, unlike the first, that incorporated all its theme effortlessly in the story), but, personallly, they aren't really compromissing of my overall enjoyment of this very good, delightful and worthy sequel, tough I understand why maybe it would be so much the case with a few people. The movie's flaws are nowhere as bad as the reviews by Big Joe and, specially, YourMovieSucks. I did not feel that this movie was a rehash as a few people said, aside from the role reversal, things are very different in how this movie handle Bob and Helen's characters to really not feel as a rehash at all, for me. Definitely very far from the blatant rip-off that was The Force Awakens, tough Incredibles 2 could be less safe still. I will, maybe, later write a review detailing this movie, the arguments said by the few really negative reviewers and why I don't think that the flaws in the story are even 10 percent as bad or compromissing to the compelling, entertaining and joy that is this movie that some reviewers make it seem, I think that this movie's biggest flaw is being a sequel to The Incredibles and a Pixar movie, so we expect a masterpiece from them, so even a very good, but with some notorious flaws, movie can seem disappointing, what would not happen if this was released even by Disney, whose best movies in this decade still don't come close to Pixar peak level. Critics would be more willing to forgive the flaws if it was by any other studio Besides Pixar. Still, Incredibles 2 is by far Pixar's most acclaimed sequel besides Toy Story sequels. Overall, great time in the theater and our dream for a sequel came true. Not disappoint and it does not feel as cash grab, much because they took so long to do it and also because this sequel was hugely demanded and wanted, unlike other Pixar sequels.
it felt like an alternate version of the first movie. Didn't feel like it built off the first movie. Similar themes in the first movie were redone in the second making the first movies resolve feel pointless.
I like this style of video, seeing your face while you talk is cool. Plus, I think your sense of humor is 10x as funny when we can see you smile and stuff. I love all your vids tho, seriously. Sometimes it feels like you’re explaining my own opinions to me haha. Like with the Shrek movies, I always knew I didn’t like the later ones as much(and not just because the jokes were terrible), but I couldn’t put into words why I didn’t like them. when I saw your vid, I was like OH that’s why, everything makes sense now lol
This movie had a lot of wasted potential for me, I think it would've been cool if The villain wanted supers to be legal again so she invented a super villain to bring back a need for them. There could've been a cool under lying theme of not using violence to push a political agenda, but diplomacy and reason (God knows we need that message these days) It also would've been cool if the underminer didn't just disappear from the film. while Helen was away fighting the ScreenSlaver, Bob could've gone under the radar with Dash and Violet to track him down, all the while balancing his family life.
No, it's good the Underminder vanished, you fuckin- *thud* Actually, it just hit me how good that would've made a solid narrative for the rest of the family. Instead of house husband shenanigans.
Yeah I really didn't get why they just threw Underminer away like that. Honestly I don't think they were originally going to, I think originally he was supposed to be the big villian in part 2, but then by the time preparation for the sequel rolled around in 2016-17ish, for whatever reason, the writers changed their mind. Probably to take on more female-centric roles with the new villianess and Elastigirl, which I'm going to guess weren't thought of yet back in 2004 after the first one wrapped. But yeah I think it's too bad they didn't find a way to work them both in somehow. I was looking forward to seeing the Underminer be the next bad guy, or you know, just seeing him do something. But instead, you blink in the first five minutes and he's gone. Eh. I don't know if that was the right call or not.
Their 60s futurism society is only 15 years out of having had supers so it's not unrealistic that people would still cling to super heroes (especially because they seem to have the same media we had in the 60s. Outer limits, super hero serials, etc) It's not like the trees in the Lorax where the only person who was around when they were active is a grandma now (though that kind of time jump would have been interesting). Also in the in-movie time game shows were on the rise and it was a real hot take by smart-types to hate on them as pseudo intellectualism and now you could make the parallel to things like Twitch where people watch people play games rather than play themselves. Still, great video, well expressed counter to the prevailing enjoyment. I think I enjoyed the movie for being slightly less predictable than I anticipated.
I think it's really cool seeing you try diff. formats a little bit, I like this vid style for you, and obviously if people are super used to the video essays they might not adjust instantly to other types of stuff but I don't think that should discourage you (have fun with what you're doing and people will value that I think) and also I love that dog painting and feel honoured to witness its glory.
I totally agree! Your first point summarized my main problem with the film. It’s like they forgot the first film entirely. I hate when any sort of sequel backtracks character development from the previous instalment.
EVELYN DEAVOR. Damn! I didn't hear it until you said it just now. Evelyn Deavor. Haha, Pixar. That's one of the better name puns I've heard recently. Good job!
I loved this video. I mean, I definitely disagree with you in a lot of ways, but it was nice to see you and you made some quality jokes and some good points. Please do more videos like this!
You make some good points. Namely I agree the part with violet agreeing to stay behind and protect Jack-Jack was stilted writing, erasing Violet's boyfriend's memory of her was a means to an unnecessarily convoluted payoff (It was used to demonstrate Mr. Incredible's flaws as a father), and I fully agree that the part where its mentioned that Elastigirl was the most efficient superhero in terms of collateral damage not being thoroughly explored and that they introduced body cams and barely did anything with them in terms of smart political commentary. But I disagree on a few points, if I remember correctly, super's weren't actually officially legalized in the first movie. So it makes sense that they bring back the issue of PR for supers, further, the capitalist technically stays a good guy, his sister the inventor secretly hates superheroes. Further, the main antagonist is fighting against the legalization that her brother is trying to bring about, shes merely doing it carefully by incorporating herself into his plan in order to destroy it from the inside. The baby monitor was there mostly for a dumb fun excuse for exploration of Jack-jack's abilities. Also, I will say, the line "Society doesn't play games anymore, they just watch game shows" is a strange line, but actually makes sense in the context of the film's world: they are essentially in an alternate reality retro-future 1950's-1960's. In conclusion, I agree that the movie is overall messy, but I actually think that this is because they waited too long to make this movie, that there were probably a large enough backlog of ideas that the director overstuffed it. And that while the film suffers from this, it doesn't ruin the film or make it bad, merely flawed.
Warp Scanner I mean, the only time they really passed around Jack Jack was at the start of the film, so I don't think it was that bad that Violet volunteered to protect the baby. I always thought she only passed him over to Dash on the boat because she was a better choice to stealth around and gather information (Ya' know, considering she can turn invisible and all. Can't really do that with Jack Jack around)
@@chuugummy975 If they wanted Violet's arc or personal conflict in The Incredibles 2 being irresponsible with Jack-Jack before agreeing to protect him, the script should have dedicated more time to that instead of erasing Tony's memory. March 4, 2019, 7:08pm
As for the legalization there is a clear retcon between the two movies. In the first the underminer attack happens 3 months later and the family immidiately puts on masks ready to fight. This implies that they're indeed legal something that was implied in an earlier scene. Now, there's no indication of three months passing and elastigirl clearly says that they shouldn't fight because they're illegal. Something she didn't do in the first movie
It touched on body cams, it touched on legal justice, it touched on over-reliance and over abundance of technology all in brief ways as to keep the story from dragging on any particular current social or political statement. I liked that because it kept the story brushing along. As for the baby monitor, Edna made that so that Bob could help monitor the baby as he is raising him and felt that was self-explanatory. The baby monitor is.a way to keep the baby in check. And then jack jack destroys it. Still a lot of fun (for me).
But none of those things really gel to form one major theme and even then the execution of all those things feels shallow and makes the movie not have a lot of depth.
J Man I agree that maybe it doesn't have a lot of depth, but it's a fun piece of entertainment. It's a fun time at the movies. And that's all I care about getting from my movies sometimes.
Exactly. 😂 That's not that far off from what actually happened. They rammed up production by a whole year. I forget the reason, but they lost a year off writing and shooting time and welp IMO it showed.
I liked the film, but I'll agree with you about Evelyn being the villain - when I first watched it, I figured it was Evelyn's brother Winston who was going to be the villainous mastermind who was using the ScreenSlaver as a front to try and accelerate the legalisation of superheroes. I think this would've been cooler because it has the potential for Winston's hypothetical plan backfiring and jeopardising his scheme to "make superheroes legal again" (and honestly that line was only included because political memes) and present these heroes with a decision of either going along with Winston's plan to continually fight ScreenSlaver for the legislation and recognition they desire, or reveal the truth about Winston and risk having to hide themselves from the world.
I think he was gonna be the villain originally but I guess Disney found that idea too predictable, so they scrapped it and made Evelyn the villain instead. I guess they were right, because like you, I thought Winston was gonna be the villain at first 🤷🏾♀️
Well the Violet dumping jack jack on dash I thought was so she could go invisible and explore the ship, can't do that holding jack jack. Didn't seem like they were trying build anything with it.
Ramen Cup Exactly, she's the best choice for scouting, but if she's holding Jack-Jack while invisible, you now have a baby "floating" in mid-air. Hardly inconspicuous.
Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha ComM (born 17 November 1986), commonly known as *Nani* (Portuguese pronunciation: [naˈni]),[7][8][9] is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a winger for Sporting CP in the Primeira Liga. He represents Portugal in international football, and has played over 100 times for the senior national team. Although predominantly right-footed, he has been utilised on the left wing on many occasions.
5:59 she saw her brother trying to reverse her perception of the ideal condition and tried to sabotage the operation from the inside. By motive of varied reaction to trauma, where her brother concluded heroes are needed she concluded they mustn’t be relied upon. You can tie that to syndrome’s everyone is super so no one is super shtick but they’re not the same ideas
It genuinely interests me that we had completely different experiences. The main message I got was one I appreciated, which is "progress is possible but not easy." The original movie's ending was fine and fun, especially for its time. But the big hanging implication was "everything will be better now." By starting from the moment after, the sequel's response for me was "that would be nice, but it's not that easy." A single adventure wasn't enough to fix everything dysfunctional with their family dynamics, change their core values, or convince the world that change is necessary. That flows much more logically and satisfyingly to me than the implication that everything we saw in the first movie fixed all the issues the movie presented. Hope is wonderful, and cynical "there's no such thing as happy endings" messages aren't fun or helpful, but I think the movie balanced the two in a way that was meaningful. I'm not saying you're wrong though, cause this is just my personal response to the movie. Everything you said makes sense, and I appreciate getting another perspective. It's just weird feeling like we sat down and experienced two different movies.
This would be fun if the film actually treated it that way. You see I agree the sequel shouldn't have treated the ending if the last movie like it fixed everything. But there should had been a progression from the last film, like an on-going battle. The sequel begins with all the family fighting crime together and elasticgirl having no problems with it, which is how the last film ended. That implied that, perhaps the public eye is still not decided, but the family is much more secure about using their superpowers together to fight crime. In the new film they get arrested, and after that elastic girl acts exactly the same as in the last film, so if she still holds the same opinion then why did she allow the family to fight crime together in the first place???? Like maybe if we saw the family getting arrested and feeling humiliated, and elastic girl having a change of heart after that but nope, they actually live in a better house than the one they had before before just one night at a hotel (woooo, scary, I thought the stakes were jail). So why is elasticgirl so worried again? And how is playing hero a good thing for your family if you are this worried about everyone getting arrested that you had a change of heart overnight? And nothing about this really has anything to do with the events that happen during the film, it's just vaguely implied like most things in this film. I could go on, but my main gripe with the film is that it says nothing, and follows-up on none of the character's motivations of the last film. It does nothing to gain the message that you saw in it. It's just a low-tier sequel. A cash-in.
Now that I think about it, Dash got shat on in this movement in terms of his development. In the 1st his case was the point where if one was so gifted to the point that they could easily beat all their competitors, would it be fair for them to compete. In this movie none of this was touched upon remotely, not even a follow up, we don't even get to see dash in school...
I see your point and I wish i saw it that way. The "toxic masculinity" and gender roles were what I saw as the main point of the film and in that way it was terrible. I just wrote a post explaining why.
I wish I had liked this movie but it was less punchy and suprising as the first movie and reused storylines from it, which is just really lazy writing.
I agree with you, and I wanted to point out that someone would argue Evelin played her cards that way because she thought her brother would bring superheroes back no matter what (being such a great salesman and all, he'd sell the idea to anyone), but still, doesn't make sense. They showed she cares about her brother, hence you'd think she wouldn't have controled his mind to stop him, but she still did. Couldn't she just invent something to erase a specific idea from her brother's mind?
It's 1962. May-July in the first Incredibles, October at the end of the first Incredibles and in the second Incredibles. The beginning of the first incredibles with Buddy as Incrediboy (before he became Syndrome) happens in 1947. March 4, 2019, 6:55pm
My reasoning for Evelyn wanting to double down on the illegalization of supers is that she knows her own brother (who has tons of power and influence) isn’t going to stop his crusade to get them back in everyone’s good books. Clearly she cares about his safety and knows that he can’t be reasoned out of the endeavor, so making him stop privately or by any drastic means is off the table. That being the case, why not play along but spin the whole situation in a way that gets her what SHE wants but leaves both siblings no worse for wear?
I thought the same thing but I do think just having the movie start with heroes being legalized would have been more elegant. You could even give her the same backstory but have the movie build up to a big battle with her as the Screenslaver instead of the whole catching the Screenslaver at the end of act two obvious twist set-up.
She didn't have to stop him privately or whatever. Her technology was fundamental to his plan. If she wanted to stop the plan, doing literally nothing would have done the job fine.
Edgar Nackenson as if he couldn’t, like, *hire* somebody instead? If she makes herself an integral part of the operation that only affords her more control. Especially narrative control, which is what her whole plan is about to begin with. I’ll grant you, if I were writing this movie, I’d have made all of this explicit in the dialogue just to avoid this exact kind of misunderstanding, but if you think about it for five seconds I think it all clicks anyway. Evelyn is HARDLY the only tech genius in this film’s world. Hell, we know Winston trained under Rick Dicker, what’s to stop him from commissioning work from Edna or whoever made the NSA’s tech, once again guaranteeing Win’s plan goes off without a hitch and Evelyn just has to sit and take it.
The Ponderer I still don't get how she can double down on heroes being illegal. Like they can't be extra illegal. It's been a while since I last saw the movie and I only saw it once but at the end was the plan to make the heroes terrorist or something like that? At the point the heroes start to use their abilities for harm are they not now villains. It seems the movie treats them like they are an occupation so I guess technically they would still be considered heroes. But the kids get to be considered as heroes, so does that mean a hero is just anyone with abilities? If that's the case I'm sure there have been some bad eggs in the past so there must be some supper villains right? I understand what you mean by it being better for her to be included in the brothers plan but the end goal still seems whack. From my point of view if she controls the heroes to do bad then people will consider them villains instead and creating a league of super villains only produces a need for super heroes. Essentially creating the demand that up until that point did not credibly exist. You could maybe say that using iconic heroes such as the big three will demoralize would be upstart heroes but that's not her goal, her goal is to get 100% of the people to hate heroes instead of the pre-established >50% at the beginning of the movie but that won't change their dependence on heroes as Joel already mentioned. And raising the percentage won't permanently change anything given how powerful the movie made perception be Although I do recognized that hating supers is only the means to prevent people from relying on them, but there are smarter ways to do that without becoming a villain herself. Like for example after the heroes get legalized again use all that PR power to tack on the message heroes are here to help you, but you must also learn to help yourself. I'm sure her brother wouldn't of been opposed to that as long as he still got to have heroes working again The best reasoning I can make for her motivation is to reference when she called her brother a child, when she was the one who couldn't grow out of her hate boner for super heroes. Essentially a childhood trauma that occurred out of a non-typical circumstance, skewed how beholden she perceived the public is too heroes and prevents her from properly reasoning. Because let's be honest besides her 1% parents, who else is going to place their bet on being saved by a super over doing the rational thing. Especially when the more common situation is call cops or hide and depending on the threat lvl maybe you should call the cops first
Bringing supers back into the limelight wasn't Evelyn's idea; it was her brother's, and she was trying to sabotage it. The bodycams weren't for accountability; they were for publicity, so the public could see more than just the aftermath of the fights. The film takes place in the 1960s, so game show trends of the last 30 years aren't really relevant.
I CANNOT BELIEVE that they literally named their _twist villain_ "EVELYN DEAVOR," as in, literally, "evil endeavor." Real subtle guys.
You've blown my mind. Then again it took me 20 years to figure out Cruela Deville was supposed to be cruel devil
I heard her name and immediately went "oh she's evil" like no shit
My villain name is Evil T. Bad guy
Hey I love Evelyn she's cute 😍😍😍😍
I hate that they didnt use evelyn to her full potential as probably redeemed antihero, or gave her an evil alter ego. She was too good as character and with her relationshipwith elasto girl. Maybe give her regrets and more humanity at least. It could have been good with the characters.
I really hate the implication that dash could "juggle really fast", no matter how fast he tosses the ball he still has to wait for it to fall... 0/10
He doesn’t juggle particularly fast, he juggles particularly well, since his reflexes are faster
Yeah but if you can move your hands that fast you could have 10x the amount of objects slowing falling through the air. You would be moving much faster even though the objects weren't and that could still be 'juggling really fast'. Anyway this was a joke and I liked your joke also.
That is a depressingly small nitpick too give an entire movie a 0/10.
Damn yall really don't understand humor or sarcasm huh
He could juggle perfectly well, at regular speed, adhering to gravity. He certainly cannot make anything fall faster.
Im so glad violet, with the ability to generate shields that would be super useful in protecting the city the boat is about to crash into, or stopping the propeller of the boat or isolating the fuel lines etc, finally matured by the end of the film to stay behind and take care of the invulnerable super baby with the ability to turn into; liquids, gases, flubber, a giant baby, a metal baby, an uncontrollable monster baby, and set himself on FIRE !
I'm so glad that pixar decided that it was the correct decision to have the teen girl superhero decide to stay back with the baby (like a good 1950s girl) instead of idk, ACTUALLY HELP HER FAMILY WITH HER SUPERPOWERS? So her younger brother, with his complete lack of helpful powers for that situation (as evidenced by him being able to do........ Literally just helping hoist his dad back up into the boat after he went underwater to take out the propeller with his super strength, where he nearly drowned) could contribute, while violet, who could literally put a shield around the propeller and stop it immediately, has to stay back and hold the baby 🤨🙄
Like, how did they go BACKWARDS from the first movie, where violet AND dash got to be proactive and helpful in the fights and family life? All they had to do was have violet say " im gonna take care of the baby" and have DASH have a moment of maturity (which he generally sorely lacks) where he says "No, I'll take the baby, you're the one who can make huge shields, you need to be protecting people" or whatever. Have THAT be that moment of the kids BOTH maturing and taking care of their sibling, not just violet 🙄
it's been 3 years but this is real as hell
I am still of the opinion that this would have been a better film had the characters aged 14 years. We could have had a bit of backstory during intro credits but then get right into the super family all grown up.
Brad Bird keeps telling us he didn't want to do that because continuing from The Incredibles' cliffhanger so we can see how they beat the Underminer was much easier than a 14-year timeskip where they would develop new powers or deal with Dash and Violet being adults and Jack-Jack being a teenager. At least here we can keep going with the plot of baby Jack-Jack having many, many superpowers. March 4, 2019, 6:54pm
@@adampkalb That's lazy writing in my opinion, especially because with Toy Story 3 Andy did aged, just like their audience.
@@violettbellerose1173 What's wrong with continuing the story with The Incredibles facing the Underminer from the end of the first movie? It was how the rest of the story was executed that was lazy writing. They can afford a new Dash voice just like Finding Dory could afford a new Nemo voice when Finding Dory takes place 1 year after Finding Nemo, rather than 13 years. March 18, 2019, 10:52pm
@@adampkalb ??? There's nothing wrong with it, if it had been well done. You literally wrote that it was easier to continue the story where it left than the 14 year timeskip, so choosing the easier way, in this case, is lazy, imo.
Why imagine how their powers would have developed, how their lifes would be with the anti-hero law gone, how the characters aged, how their designs have changed, when you can simply just pick it up where you started? In fact is even worse, because they retreated (not sure if that's the correct word) in the character development area.
That way you don't have to work on those things, you don't have to work in how to relate to the audience that now has grow up, instead just try to relate to the new generation, which is easier because if someone calls you out on that you can simply say "this is a kids movie", which is not a good excuse (not saying they said this, tho).
I don't understand the voice point.
@@violettbellerose1173 But then we would never know how things ended with the Underminer! I think what I meant was that they didn't need to do a 14-year timeskip, although I admit that would be a good way to not replace Spencer Fox as the voice of Dash. March 19, 2019, 9:33am
My favorite part of the incredibles 2 was actually the short "bao" before it. made me ugly cry for sure.
Yes!
Bao was cute!
While I enjoyed the movie, I do have my problems with it.
1: Evelyn's plan makes no fucking sense, yes she wants super heroes to stop coddling the public, but what the fuck is the public supposed to do about the Underminer, what are they supposed to do about HER. It seems as if she's in favor of militarization of the police.
2: This movie could've definitely made a statement about the police between body cams and their potential militarization, but just says nothing. Hell they could've come out, looked directly into the camera and said "You don't trust us because of our powers, but you trust him because he has a badge?"
Eh they didn't have the balls for that sadly.
+@@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999 But that's what Disney is for, not Pixar! They're supposed to make FILMS
*"Time spent with my daughter"*
Dude your daughter would be a tiny text-to-speech calculator
i made it 69 likes
*nice*
People are right, you do have both murder and anime eyes.
Basically a real life Yandere.
He's under the Screenslaver's control
now i understand why i find his eyes disturbing but simultaneously sexy
Was getting a hint of bedroom eyes as well.
He has like the male version of Mila Kunis eyes
@@pixboy4502 yes
I agree 100%, i feel the first Incredibles was fresh and smart, it has very nice message about how to deal with your own identity while you are a piece of a society who never aknowledge your individuality. The second is like “What if The Incredibles was made after the MCU?”. The concern appears to be much more with the spectacle, the action scenes and comtemporary references, instead of actually giving it a heart.
Well said yep, I agree.
You, a plebian:
>Elastigirl dummy thicc.
Me, an intellectual:
>Incredibles 2 is actually blue lives matter propoganda against bodycams
Me, a Transcended Being of Eternal Omnipotence:
>Elastigirl dummy thicc *_AND_* Incredibles 2 is blue lives matter Propaganda against bodycams.
well yeah but elastigirl still dummy thicc
420 likes 👌 acab
Por que no los dos
DUUUUUUUDE
Have fun with the sitter?
"What does the 'S' stand for?"
"For... Sitter! Originally I was gonna have initials for 'Baby Sitter' but then I would've been goin around wearing a big 'BS'" XD Syndrome is an icon.
The villian in 2 was complete ass, not gonna lie. Syndrome will always be the best fucking villian
I just got that lol
And not only that, he was RIGHT about the superpowers!! And about a bunch of other things... As someone who has worked with vulnerable youth, I trully could never forgive Mr Incredible for being such a crappy mentor. He's the one to blame.
@@dubitataugustinus He murdered dozens of people just so he could murder some more people and then "save" them.
@@reyalfa18 "Oh my dad died because he relied on super heroes to save us so now i have to make them illegal and show that they are dangerous" compared to "the one person i believed in the most betrayed me because of my abilities or lack there of. Ill show them who truly is super by developing incredible technology that can rival that of superheroes and create a society where everyone is super." While both come off as petty, Syndrome had a bigger objective by removing Superheroes and giving everyone his technology to where anyone can protect themselves and no longer rely on Supers while the other person was trying to achieve something that didnt even make sense. Like why make Supers illegal when they havent even been legalized yet. Even then whats the payoff? That and she just sucked as a character while Syndrome was enjoyable like in a dorky way yet can be menacing when he wants to.
Please do a collaboration with Jenny Nicholson. I think it would be cute watching two of the most awkward, deadpan reviewers on RUclips interact with each other.
Joel: "We went to see Christopher Robin in cinemas this weekend. I had a really good time. The movie does some really interesting things and I liked the animation."
Nicholson: "I hated it and it ruined my childhood."
Cedric Wublin More like Nicholson: "Man, A. A. Milne was really an asshole, wasn't he? I don't know what else you would call a father who tells bedtime stories to his son and then writes those stories down with Christopher Robin as the main character and makes millions off of an ideal image of his son that he can never live up to and ironically will never be able to have a normal childhood because everyone will always think of him as 'Hey, aren't you named after the boy in all those kids' books about a stuffed animal cult that worships the boy as the second coming of Jesus?' You know, I am sure am glad I won't be immortalized in the media as a certain persona which doesn't exist that I can never escape from." *direct stare into the camera*
thirteenfury That was spot on.
2.2k dislikes
They hated him because he told the truth...
1 year later and it still has 2.2K dislikes 💀
or because they just disagree.
@@Jdudec367 It's weird to dislike because you disagree though. Disliking is something I only do if I dislike the video, not if it's a good video but I disagree with its points...
@@azraphon Well...people do that, and it's a reason why.
Aww you look so handsome in this video heart 😍
Baby Joel
simp.
Was this comment made by his mom?
@Garry Snail ...
Yeah...
You mean like In like an animated Tim burton movie kind of way?
I feel like Toy Story is Pixar’s most consistent trilogy, and only that. Cars and other sequels they tried to do was just bad
yep, and now Toy Story 4 is coming, prepare to feel the horror of that too
@@Waterbug1591 Man, don't....jinx...it
@thespideystudios I agree. Too heavy handed by a mile, and the ending is pure cheese.
Finding dory is good
Funnel Star How is Ts4 “sjw bs”?
Definitely was not worth waiting 14 years. Sad to see that Pixar has lost their touch when it comes to sequels. They should just stick to making new original films.
Easier said than done
Eli N.S Jesus it was not THAT bad. It’s one of Pixar’s greatest sequels competing against the Toy Story Sequels. It was a great and joyful movie I’ve watched about 3 times because 1) I loved the movie and 2) I wanted to analyze some scenes and such. Yes it definitely has its flaws but it’s not a bad movie not even close IMO
Adrian Martinez yeah that’s just your opinion, and I have mine.
Adrian Martinez lol it's not like it has that much competition. Cars 2 was an awful, bizarre spy movie (but cars!)) and Cars 3/Monster U was so damn formulaic and lacking any creativity (oh they got eliminated, but wait! They got saved by a technicality! I've never seen that before!) The only ones that were decent were the Toy Story ones. Toy Story 2 was just passable and Toy Story 3 was decent, but now they're going to drive that into the ground too with a completely unnecessary Toy Story 4
J Girl You’re honestly right but it has been one of Pixar’s best sequels they’ve made that I can say for sure
Blink!
The Insaneum right?!
He is staring right into my soul ...
He would survive for long if he was being hunted by a Weeping Angel.
The Insaneum i agree
The Insaneum hahaha noticed this straight away can’t take him seriously 😆
Thank god someone is saying it. I hated it. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty decent movie, but it is such a disappointment coming from the masterpiece that was the first one.
This is the worst Pixar movie
@@jasonsandheinrich7022 I wouldn't go that far lol. Don't forget Cars 2 exists.
@@jasonsandheinrich7022 the good dinosaur...
@@jasonsandheinrich7022 The Good Dinosaur, Cars 2, Ralph Breaks the Internet, The Lion King (remake), Trolls 1 and 2, etc. is definitely worse than Incredibles 2. Incredibles 2 is a good movie, but just bad execution.
*BIG JOEL HAS A DAUGHTER?!*
Edit: *NEVERMIND*
I think that was all of our reactions the first time around lmao
What do you mean nevermind
@@Quackervoltz she died
also, the "watching game shows" bit was probably because it took place in the sixties, and that would've made more sense at the time than saying people were playing more (video) games, which barely would've been a thing
questward +
Fax
Man, when the Screenslaver was talking about that, I was so down for it.
A villain with a semi-woke perspective on life wanting to take down society and liberate the populace? Heck yeah!
Nah, she just hates supers.
Sure...
Evelyn Deavor... Evil Endeavor?
Should have just named her Goodlyn.
Such a stupid name, it makes the twist even more eyerolling
goodyn*
Dang JOel you got some real murder eyes
Lol they are pure pupil fueled by cartoon cocaine
Tbh at first I thought maybe he edited out all his blinks like in Silence of the Lambs
questward I'm pretty sure I have murder eyes, only if I widened them...
He's a better villain than Evelyn Deavor
Momo.
Is it weird that I loved the movie and still agreed with pretty much everything you had to say about it?
That happens sometimes, like I agree with 100% of the criticism of Doctor Strange but I still really liked it. Just depends on if the good stuff can compensate.
Something doesn't have to be 'good' in order to like it.
@Angel DoubleG Some people loved it, some people meh-d it. If you want a great example see Redlettermedia's review of Doctor Strange- one of them really liked it because it had great visuals, and the other thought it was too formulaic.
Same actually, it was a fun ride and extremely nostalgic for me and a gorgeous upgrade in visuals and music. But I 100% agree with every take in this video.
I think a movie can be really enjoyable but at the same time a bad sequel full of flaws
I think this guy got kidnapped and doing this against his will. Just look at his eyes looking up all the corners
This is a joke but he does look at every direction
I'm just imagining a guy with a gun pointed at him as he holds the 📷
Momo.
I know. He hardly blinks. Lol
Little Joel here, what are your thoughts on raising me as your child
art garfunkel he already has a daughter to take care of, and he does a bad job
Ilyas Mirobdalov oh dude, not here for the YT drama
art garfunkel You better get back to Paul Simon or he'll call the police.
I would have to have a talk with him first because he’s my husband
Make up with Paul Simon and only then would he consider it.
please blink
I was most frustrated by the explicitly LGBT themes brought up in one key scene that are IMMEDIATELY dropped. Very frustrating.
When Elastigirl meets the other super heroes? Yeah that felt weird. Like, before that there's not indication of super heroes being treated like "freaks" or anything like that. So to take it in an X-men direction all of a sudden adds nothing.
Then there's Violet speaking to Void near the end, which also felt strange. "Let's imply these two are gonna get to know each other. Okay, now let's FORGIT ABAHT IT."
yeah and also there was originally a scene where mr incredible spoke for all the fallen heroes by syndromes hand and it was sort of implied to be similar to the aids crisis, and also in some off-screen lore thunderhead is said to be raising children with a male roommate, so theres defo lgbt stuff going on that disney doesnt want to be too explicit
@@acebee46 eyyyyy and now we have confirmation that the Pixar people try and get shot down by Disney constantly
i don’t like big joel with short hair like this. shaking and crying
Yeah like who the fuck is this? Bring back the disheveled, tired, looking trash man i know and love.
Sequels should not need to repeat some of the same story beats to be good.
John Riddle - I challenge anyone to name one similarity between the plots of Shreks 1 and 2.
Totally different plots; great sequel.
John Riddle Tell that to Wreck-It-Ralph 2.
RalphJr2020, Wreck it Ralph 2 sucked the same reasons why Incredibles 2 did.
Kung fu Panda 2 did it very well. Can't say the same for the third one though.
take a shot every time he blinks
Guess I'm safe for the night.
The Sober Challenge
Drinking games for the kids
He blinks so fast that we can't register it
I think there may be some misunderstanding with the villain’s motivations but idk. The way I interpreted it was she discovered what her brother was doing when he asked for help with it and figured “welp time to sabotage this project” and got involved to do that. It wasn’t her idea to do all this that was her brother’s she was just trying to sabotage it by making super’s look bad
More like 'willful misinterpretation of events to further a personal narrative that this is a bad movie.'
Spoilers in me comment
Not bad but not as great as the first 1. In terms of villains she's C rate one at best, with Syndrome he had personal Vendetta, and inferiority complex that drove him to be who he was, he literally built himself from the ground up, and his philosophy of " If everyone is super no one is..." makes sense. As for Evelyn(?) her motives were pretty weak, she seems to be under a quasi liberterian mindset in that she thinks people shouldn't rely on other BUT her whole modus operandi could never work without others to exploit. As her being angered at her fathers death its somewhat understandable, BUT its not the fault of supers but moreso just her fathers poor foresight, and fragility. Honestly she would have benefited more by taking syndromes work and marketing it to the public, making Supers a thing of the past, but instead she just ops for a cheap manipulation tactic that backfires due to her own carelessness. To compare the 2 isn't even fair Syndrome is hands down a great villain while Evely(?) just comes as across as a bitter keyboard warrior with access to enough money to fund her petty plan.
Also another thing that irks me is that they reintroduce Supers but give little to now personality save for SJW side haircut girl Void and even then its not that much. They could've had it so that at the very least the Parr family interacted with said persons in their everyday lives without knowing the other is a Super. For example introduce the Void chick in Violets school as an upper classman who has a run with Violet, with the former having insecurites "mysterious circumstances" and Violet helping her seeing as she had problems like that prior to being more outgoing,maybe have the How is still alive Reflux guy be one of Dash's teacher , anything would've been suffice but they show up only yo be used as fake villains later on...
I think her motivation was based off of having an ideology on a completely different spectrum from her brother's, which is brilliant, but they did not really touch upon it very well. Evelyn believed that humans are way too dependent on supers after all their trust caused her parents to get killed while her brother saw that supers can make the world better if humans believed in them. Screenslaver actually was slapped into the movie last minute which explains why it was so corny but I believe she could've been a great villain if she was given more depth.
Bob Dole I really, really like your idea for making the new supers be characters that the Parr family already knows in their mundane life. Maybe even have Violet notice Void jumping out of places where there's no windows or doors or question why this one girl is able to take so many classes and extracurricular activities in one day (because Void is transporting to different classes when no one is looking). So Violet investigates and confronts Void about having superpowers. Hell, I was even expecting Tony would be a secret super and it slips out during his date with Violet.
Your eyes do me a spook
yes i feel threatened
Tell me about it
Momo.
ngl as someone who started watching joel recently the haircut gave me a jumpscare lol
same lol
You: he has murder anime eyes and needs to blink
Me, and intellectual: hes So hot those eyes are Melting My Bones
Logan St. James honestly yah
Momo.
Your last point was... odd. The Incredibles is set in the 60's, not current day. That's when game shows were at their peak.
... Oh yeah...
I genuinely forgot that Incredibles was a period film.
SamWallace Artisan
lmao I do too, it's such a fun time it always slips my mind while watching it
Youssef wow i never knew that
darrel
Yeah it's weird because if you actually look around and see the house design, clothing options and vehicles it's pretty clearly set back then but that isn't the point of the movie so it's almost totally unnoticeable if you aren't looking for it.
Wait but doesn't Bob's insurance company use computers, 80s-style? I guess it's Batman rules.
Should've been more about Violet
Those are my same thoughts Joel. I nearly got murdered for voicing that out.. Lol.
Dnt get Me wrong, I loooooveeee the Incredibles...
A major thing is that they kinda hit the reset on the family's development itself. In the last movie Mr. Incredible loved his new job partly because he had more time to spend with his family and his wife and by the end of the episode, Violet had developed more confidence and self-clarification.
But in the new movie the wife and hubby fight again, Bob apparently doesn't know anything about kids anymore and violet is even more unstable than the first movie. What's more is that they try to say "Bob is a good hero but he's not good at parenting" but make Elastigirl awesome at doing superhero stuff despite not having been a super for a while. So she just comes off as a bit mary sue because she's a great parent and a great super, and a great detective, but her hubby is bad at everything - like... seriously.
They made it seem like the family had been stittched together in the last movie but in II Bob is so upset about his wife getting to be a super, like seriousy, he's kinda a douche about it.
Jaylin Broan personally I kind of get here bob is coming from. If I’ve done something I spent my whole life doing and I was how I defined myself then my significant other out of nowhere is the one doing it and is better in every way, I’d feel really shitty too. He should definitely be happy for her but I’d feel a bit bad too. They could have showed it a lot better though, like instead of being angry at her, he would try even harder at raising the kids. Idk that’s just my 2 cents
@@yagirl177 his point is that it doesnt make sense for his wife to be so good at being a hero because shes a parent most of the time, whilst bob is a hero most of the time so he sucks at parenting.
He wasn't mad his wife was good. He was insulted that he wasn't the best. Its a morally gray area he was pushed into. He put his heart into being a hero. We see in the first movie him and Frozone are still being heroes in their free time. Bob isn't getting credit for it either. Hes doing it because he loves being a hero. And when you want to be the best at something, and being told you're not, it's incredibly hurtful. But He was honestly very supportive for someone put in that position, even playfully teasing her about it. He wanted her to succeed, he realized that making her stress about the kids, sure would've made him look bad, but it also would've made her quit. Because he knows she values their family more than anything. He clearly cares about his wife. And his kids. He knows they love being heroes and being themselves, he goes out of his way to better help Dash with math, learning ways of dealing with Jack Jack and tries to fix Violets relationship. He's just not the best at it. And with Helen, her heroics were staged. Sure she did as she normally would but, We have to take in consideration that Evelyn was behind them. Helen was shocked at how well she did and when the news came, that hurt Bob even more. Not because his wife is so much better. But because it confirmed that he wasn't good enough to be the best. I mean in the first movie we see him stop a train as well, trying to save the passengers on board and was still scrutinized by some for not doing good enough. Helen caused minimal damage and saved everyone on board. While if I remember correctly Bob wasnt able to stop all of the damage that ensued.
The way i viewed it was bob wasn't a great parent in the first movie encouraging dash to mess with his teacher and just overall being irresponsible but was a dad trying his best.
Violet gained confidence but is still a middleschool girl? (might be highschool idk) so she gained a bit of confidence but her boy got mind zapped and is trying to rebuild the relationship but her dad who doesn't know much about her life messes it up trying to help her. dash matured a tiny bit.
as for elastigirl she made to be "great" because it is all fake everything that she is doing is set up by the villain so she appears "great" in the end she has to be saved by her kids. by the end of the movie its clear she wasn't an amazing super hero she fell for the trap and didn't investigate enough untill it was to late.
This is a problem with a lot of sequels. They go back to the problems the characters had instead of coming up with new problems for them to overcome. If writers are forced to do this it's a good sign they don't have any actual idea for a sequel and probably shouldn't make one.
11 minutes I could have spent with my daughter.
11 months I could have spent with my daughter.
3 years I could have spent time with my daughter 😭
I don’t agree with the first two points. They are explained in the movie - sure, they could have been done better.
Regarding the first point, the sequel begins immediately after the first movie ends. They didn’t go back into hiding, it’s just that no one has had a chance yet to notice they did something right... and then immediately screwed up again.
If they were immediately welcomed without the media spin campaign, it would be a continuity error.
As for the date, the concept that being a superhero has consequences for the kids... it could have been done better, to be sure.
As for the Batman example, you’re missing the point - there are two capitalists, one good, one evil. One wants supers to be great, and one wants them to stay illegal.
As for 3.2, the absence of the body cam isn’t the point of the costume change, it’s reclaiming her membership in the family.
As for 3.4, this is... character development. Almost losing the baby after he splits on the ship was a recent event.
Could all of this have been done better? Of course, it’s fluffy entertainment and I wasn’t expecting Shakespeare, but the commentary here is unconvincing.
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-The Incredibles and Frozone save a city from a giant robot at the end of the original and clearly people noticed they did something right. There’s even a three month time skip at the end of the original film to have audiences infer maybe something actually happened.
-Syndrome didn’t want supers to be great, he just wanted supers to be ordinary and not special in their way, just be like everybody else, just join a bandwagon with no creative voice.
-That’s pretty shallow character development.
-No one should expect Shakespeare, but you should at least expect a sequel to be as clever and coherent as it’s predecessor.
J Man infer, perhaps - but public opinion isn’t going to change when supers fix a problem created by supers. It’s a bit like gun control - if there are no bad guys with guns, there’s no need for good guys with guns (not an argument I agree with, btw, but an argument that’s frequently made and would easily be made in-universe).
There’s an (apparently baseless) expectation that I’m hearing here that the events of the first movie changed public perception, which I’m not seeing but would have to rewatch the first to confirm.
I’m not saying the movie was great (too many safe choices), just that the points discussed here are pretty weak.
Compared to any Fantastic 4 movie, it still knocks it out of the park.
@J Man, seems you misunderstood the point of "here are two capitalists, one good, one evil. One wants supers to be great, and one wants them to stay illegal.". He wasn't talking about Syndrome, he was talking about the two brothers in this second movie.
MegaMarkLM and the brother is a good guy who ends the movie still supportive of supers. The sister who was the ultimate villian is the one who was anti super
On the bit about Evelyn's plan not making sense:
Bringing the supers back was not part of Evelyn's master plan. Winston came up with that first, and Evelyn just turned it on him to make Winston and the Supers look incapable, ensuring the supers would never get another chance in society.
It's like if Batman heard Alfred was going to start a petition to let Joker loose from Arkham, so he quietly played along, pretending he was alright with it, only to flip the plan at the last second to make sure it failed.
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Well the plan was just to show the public supers stopping bad guys. Her tech was helpful but not completely needed.
@SeeingGray, With another genius's tech probably.
"I wanna hurt you because heroes couldn't save my parents because the government made it illegal" lol stupid
MegaMarkLM what happened to Sybdrome's tech? there's still Edna too
Before the comments come in you better know that you're absolutely right. i had fun tho
Eric Taxxon this is why commas are needed
shut it red
Eric Taxxon I really liked this movie. Under more serious scrutiny, it has some significant flaws (some narrative choices are not bad, but some people may be unhappy because they wanted another path to the story, it is impossible to please everyone, the plotlines don't tie together to a richer whole that well and the movie lacks coesion in its many themes, being often incoherent, messy, unorganic and unsubtle about them, its big themes feeling often thrown away and expositive, with the characters literally stopping to talk philosophically about the themes too often, unlike the first, that incorporated all its theme effortlessly in the story), but, personallly, they aren't really compromissing of my overall enjoyment of this very good, delightful and worthy sequel, tough I understand why maybe it would be so much the case with a few people. The movie's flaws are nowhere as bad as the reviews by Big Joe and, specially, YourMovieSucks. I did not feel that this movie was a rehash as a few people said, aside from the role reversal, things are very different in how this movie handle Bob and Helen's characters to really not feel as a rehash at all, for me. Definitely very far from the blatant rip-off that was The Force Awakens, tough Incredibles 2 could be less safe still. I will, maybe, later write a review detailing this movie, the arguments said by the few really negative reviewers and why I don't think that the flaws in the story are even 10 percent as bad or compromissing to the compelling, entertaining and joy that is this movie that some reviewers make it seem, I think that this movie's biggest flaw is being a sequel to The Incredibles and a Pixar movie, so we expect a masterpiece from them, so even a very good, but with some notorious flaws, movie can seem disappointing, what would not happen if this was released even by Disney, whose best movies in this decade still don't come close to Pixar peak level. Critics would be more willing to forgive the flaws if it was by any other studio Besides Pixar. Still, Incredibles 2 is by far Pixar's most acclaimed sequel besides Toy Story sequels.
Overall, great time in the theater and our dream for a sequel came true. Not disappoint and it does not feel as cash grab, much because they took so long to do it and also because this sequel was hugely demanded and wanted, unlike other Pixar sequels.
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boy scout youre profile pic its really sad :(
They nerfed the crap out of mr incredible, that man was pretty much a regular citizen in just about every way sad sad
it felt like an alternate version of the first movie. Didn't feel like it built off the first movie. Similar themes in the first movie were redone in the second making the first movies resolve feel pointless.
Agreed. Hi there.... 3 yrs later. Yep I agree
I like this style of video, seeing your face while you talk is cool. Plus, I think your sense of humor is 10x as funny when we can see you smile and stuff.
I love all your vids tho, seriously. Sometimes it feels like you’re explaining my own opinions to me haha. Like with the Shrek movies, I always knew I didn’t like the later ones as much(and not just because the jokes were terrible), but I couldn’t put into words why I didn’t like them. when I saw your vid, I was like OH that’s why, everything makes sense now lol
Joel is handsome and has cool, spooky eyes. pls make more hot-take videos
Carina Davidson definitely spooky! Loved the video still though, haha
10/10 spooky eyes. Hope he makes more of these style videos every now and then
Carina Davidson his eyes are all pupil lol
*emphasis on the "hot"*
DrågōñŠolo 23 I was waiting for that comment.
This movie had a lot of wasted potential for me, I think it would've been cool if The villain wanted supers to be legal again so she invented a super villain to bring back a need for them. There could've been a cool under lying theme of not using violence to push a political agenda, but diplomacy and reason (God knows we need that message these days)
It also would've been cool if the underminer didn't just disappear from the film. while Helen was away fighting the ScreenSlaver, Bob could've gone under the radar with Dash and Violet to track him down, all the while balancing his family life.
Holy shit, that would have been so much easier, and it would have made so much more sense. What the hell were they thinking?
You mean like Megamind?
No, it's good the Underminder vanished, you fuckin- *thud*
Actually, it just hit me how good that would've made a solid narrative for the rest of the family. Instead of house husband shenanigans.
Yeah I really didn't get why they just threw Underminer away like that. Honestly I don't think they were originally going to, I think originally he was supposed to be the big villian in part 2, but then by the time preparation for the sequel rolled around in 2016-17ish, for whatever reason, the writers changed their mind. Probably to take on more female-centric roles with the new villianess and Elastigirl, which I'm going to guess weren't thought of yet back in 2004 after the first one wrapped.
But yeah I think it's too bad they didn't find a way to work them both in somehow. I was looking forward to seeing the Underminer be the next bad guy, or you know, just seeing him do something. But instead, you blink in the first five minutes and he's gone. Eh. I don't know if that was the right call or not.
yes because diplomacy and reason was ALWAYS the solution to oppression and inequal rights throughout history amiright guys
Joel, I really like when you blink, thanks.
You know it ok to blink
Their 60s futurism society is only 15 years out of having had supers so it's not unrealistic that people would still cling to super heroes (especially because they seem to have the same media we had in the 60s. Outer limits, super hero serials, etc) It's not like the trees in the Lorax where the only person who was around when they were active is a grandma now (though that kind of time jump would have been interesting).
Also in the in-movie time game shows were on the rise and it was a real hot take by smart-types to hate on them as pseudo intellectualism and now you could make the parallel to things like Twitch where people watch people play games rather than play themselves.
Still, great video, well expressed counter to the prevailing enjoyment. I think I enjoyed the movie for being slightly less predictable than I anticipated.
your awkward side glances are so cute??
I thought I was the only one who found him cute
I think it's really cool seeing you try diff. formats a little bit, I like this vid style for you, and obviously if people are super used to the video essays they might not adjust instantly to other types of stuff but I don't think that should discourage you (have fun with what you're doing and people will value that I think) and also I love that dog painting and feel honoured to witness its glory.
mothcub heyy what are u doin here mothcub?
Just having a nice time online, hbu?
This is the real little Joel… he looks so young and untainted
Hey bud, my eyes are down here.
And like, you are allowed to blink, my dude.
I totally agree! Your first point summarized my main problem with the film. It’s like they forgot the first film entirely. I hate when any sort of sequel backtracks character development from the previous instalment.
EVELYN DEAVOR. Damn! I didn't hear it until you said it just now. Evelyn Deavor. Haha, Pixar. That's one of the better name puns I've heard recently. Good job!
A B Evil endeavor
Please come home and get your daughter Big Joel she is starving and I have no more cheese to make grilled cheese for her.
I loved this video. I mean, I definitely disagree with you in a lot of ways, but it was nice to see you and you made some quality jokes and some good points. Please do more videos like this!
please collab with jenny nicholson
audibly yelped when that picture of big Joel appeared on my screen. he looks so scary here
Let’s be friends and comrades please
is this communism
yes
You make some good points. Namely I agree the part with violet agreeing to stay behind and protect Jack-Jack was stilted writing, erasing Violet's boyfriend's memory of her was a means to an unnecessarily convoluted payoff (It was used to demonstrate Mr. Incredible's flaws as a father), and I fully agree that the part where its mentioned that Elastigirl was the most efficient superhero in terms of collateral damage not being thoroughly explored and that they introduced body cams and barely did anything with them in terms of smart political commentary.
But I disagree on a few points, if I remember correctly, super's weren't actually officially legalized in the first movie. So it makes sense that they bring back the issue of PR for supers, further, the capitalist technically stays a good guy, his sister the inventor secretly hates superheroes. Further, the main antagonist is fighting against the legalization that her brother is trying to bring about, shes merely doing it carefully by incorporating herself into his plan in order to destroy it from the inside. The baby monitor was there mostly for a dumb fun excuse for exploration of Jack-jack's abilities.
Also, I will say, the line "Society doesn't play games anymore, they just watch game shows" is a strange line, but actually makes sense in the context of the film's world: they are essentially in an alternate reality retro-future 1950's-1960's.
In conclusion, I agree that the movie is overall messy, but I actually think that this is because they waited too long to make this movie, that there were probably a large enough backlog of ideas that the director overstuffed it. And that while the film suffers from this, it doesn't ruin the film or make it bad, merely flawed.
Warp Scanner I mean, the only time they really passed around Jack Jack was at the start of the film, so I don't think it was that bad that Violet volunteered to protect the baby. I always thought she only passed him over to Dash on the boat because she was a better choice to stealth around and gather information (Ya' know, considering she can turn invisible and all. Can't really do that with Jack Jack around)
@@chuugummy975 If they wanted Violet's arc or personal conflict in The Incredibles 2 being irresponsible with Jack-Jack before agreeing to protect him, the script should have dedicated more time to that instead of erasing Tony's memory. March 4, 2019, 7:08pm
It does make it bad. What do you call a superhero movie with botched character arcs, a terrible nonsensical villain, and very sparse action?
As for the legalization there is a clear retcon between the two movies. In the first the underminer attack happens 3 months later and the family immidiately puts on masks ready to fight. This implies that they're indeed legal something that was implied in an earlier scene. Now, there's no indication of three months passing and elastigirl clearly says that they shouldn't fight because they're illegal. Something she didn't do in the first movie
It touched on body cams, it touched on legal justice, it touched on over-reliance and over abundance of technology all in brief ways as to keep the story from dragging on any particular current social or political statement. I liked that because it kept the story brushing along. As for the baby monitor, Edna made that so that Bob could help monitor the baby as he is raising him and felt that was self-explanatory. The baby monitor is.a way to keep the baby in check. And then jack jack destroys it. Still a lot of fun (for me).
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But none of those things really gel to form one major theme and even then the execution of all those things feels shallow and makes the movie not have a lot of depth.
J Man I agree that maybe it doesn't have a lot of depth, but it's a fun piece of entertainment. It's a fun time at the movies. And that's all I care about getting from my movies sometimes.
Body cams. "The press only shows you what they want you to see." I found that to be very relevant.
they had like 15 years to make a great sequel and it feels like they took the last month to do that work
Exactly. 😂 That's not that far off from what actually happened. They rammed up production by a whole year. I forget the reason, but they lost a year off writing and shooting time and welp IMO it showed.
I just want to say that the action sequences and the animation in general were fucking amazing. I really want to rewatch the movie just for that.
I liked the film, but I'll agree with you about Evelyn being the villain - when I first watched it, I figured it was Evelyn's brother Winston who was going to be the villainous mastermind who was using the ScreenSlaver as a front to try and accelerate the legalisation of superheroes.
I think this would've been cooler because it has the potential for Winston's hypothetical plan backfiring and jeopardising his scheme to "make superheroes legal again" (and honestly that line was only included because political memes) and present these heroes with a decision of either going along with Winston's plan to continually fight ScreenSlaver for the legislation and recognition they desire, or reveal the truth about Winston and risk having to hide themselves from the world.
I think he was gonna be the villain originally but I guess Disney found that idea too predictable, so they scrapped it and made Evelyn the villain instead. I guess they were right, because like you, I thought Winston was gonna be the villain at first 🤷🏾♀️
Big Joel with a haircut does not sit right with me
liked video for daughter joke
Gotta love the unhinged look in Big Joel's eyes 👀
👁_👁 “hey everybody”
A few things:
1) Patrons won't be charged for this lil vid
2) Video essays are not going anywhere, I'm releasing a new one next week!
Big Joel *not going anywhere.
Big Joel, Good Rant on Incredibles 2, I’ve seen The Incredibles 2 and it didn’t feel that good in my opinion but the movie is pretty ok.
Your eyeballs are intimidatingly large and make me feel insecure about my masculinity. Please Stop or I will have to report you to the FBI.
The movie takes place in the 1960s so the quote about game shoes would make sense
I meant game shows*
Well that’s just your opinion man
I was speaking OBJECTIVE FACT
o0XxDudexX0o I'm 15
o0XxDudexX0o I know I'm just telling him that the 2nd one was made for kids
Shut up, Donnie
J. D. Leston ayyyyyy
Uh oh, a NEGATIVE OPINION!!!!😱😭😤
this is medium joel
You know what they say about big Joels.
Big eyes.
Well the Violet dumping jack jack on dash I thought was so she could go invisible and explore the ship, can't do that holding jack jack. Didn't seem like they were trying build anything with it.
Ramen Cup Exactly, she's the best choice for scouting, but if she's holding Jack-Jack while invisible, you now have a baby "floating" in mid-air. Hardly inconspicuous.
*NANI?!*
Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha ComM (born 17 November 1986), commonly known as *Nani* (Portuguese pronunciation: [naˈni]),[7][8][9] is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a winger for Sporting CP in the Primeira Liga. He represents Portugal in international football, and has played over 100 times for the senior national team. Although predominantly right-footed, he has been utilised on the left wing on many occasions.
5:59 she saw her brother trying to reverse her perception of the ideal condition and tried to sabotage the operation from the inside. By motive of varied reaction to trauma, where her brother concluded heroes are needed she concluded they mustn’t be relied upon. You can tie that to syndrome’s everyone is super so no one is super shtick but they’re not the same ideas
*Why are you so draw-able?*
I thought Elastigirl was just happy to have her old outfit back because the new one was "dark and angsty"
It genuinely interests me that we had completely different experiences. The main message I got was one I appreciated, which is "progress is possible but not easy." The original movie's ending was fine and fun, especially for its time. But the big hanging implication was "everything will be better now." By starting from the moment after, the sequel's response for me was "that would be nice, but it's not that easy."
A single adventure wasn't enough to fix everything dysfunctional with their family dynamics, change their core values, or convince the world that change is necessary. That flows much more logically and satisfyingly to me than the implication that everything we saw in the first movie fixed all the issues the movie presented.
Hope is wonderful, and cynical "there's no such thing as happy endings" messages aren't fun or helpful, but I think the movie balanced the two in a way that was meaningful.
I'm not saying you're wrong though, cause this is just my personal response to the movie. Everything you said makes sense, and I appreciate getting another perspective. It's just weird feeling like we sat down and experienced two different movies.
This would be fun if the film actually treated it that way. You see I agree the sequel shouldn't have treated the ending if the last movie like it fixed everything. But there should had been a progression from the last film, like an on-going battle. The sequel begins with all the family fighting crime together and elasticgirl having no problems with it, which is how the last film ended. That implied that, perhaps the public eye is still not decided, but the family is much more secure about using their superpowers together to fight crime. In the new film they get arrested, and after that elastic girl acts exactly the same as in the last film, so if she still holds the same opinion then why did she allow the family to fight crime together in the first place???? Like maybe if we saw the family getting arrested and feeling humiliated, and elastic girl having a change of heart after that but nope, they actually live in a better house than the one they had before before just one night at a hotel (woooo, scary, I thought the stakes were jail). So why is elasticgirl so worried again? And how is playing hero a good thing for your family if you are this worried about everyone getting arrested that you had a change of heart overnight? And nothing about this really has anything to do with the events that happen during the film, it's just vaguely implied like most things in this film.
I could go on, but my main gripe with the film is that it says nothing, and follows-up on none of the character's motivations of the last film. It does nothing to gain the message that you saw in it. It's just a low-tier sequel. A cash-in.
Now that I think about it, Dash got shat on in this movement in terms of his development. In the 1st his case was the point where if one was so gifted to the point that they could easily beat all their competitors, would it be fair for them to compete. In this movie none of this was touched upon remotely, not even a follow up, we don't even get to see dash in school...
I see your point and I wish i saw it that way. The "toxic masculinity" and gender roles were what I saw as the main point of the film and in that way it was terrible. I just wrote a post explaining why.
I wish I had liked this movie but it was less punchy and suprising as the first movie and reused storylines from it, which is just really lazy writing.
i feel like some pixar sequels just have a problem of being just "passable" or "okay".
Incredibles 2 feels like the mr incredible family bonding montage from incredibles 1
i really thought he had a daughter for a second there
"I don't care about the kids! I just care about their parent's money!"
-Pixar
I agree with you, and I wanted to point out that someone would argue Evelin played her cards that way because she thought her brother would bring superheroes back no matter what (being such a great salesman and all, he'd sell the idea to anyone), but still, doesn't make sense. They showed she cares about her brother, hence you'd think she wouldn't have controled his mind to stop him, but she still did. Couldn't she just invent something to erase a specific idea from her brother's mind?
WHOODAWGIT, didn't know a video could make me this happy!!! The Incredibles the Incredibles the Incredibles, I have the Incredibles fever...
:^)
I think the problem with the Incredible is that there are not clear defined rules for this fictional universe. Is it 1960? Is it a stylized future?
Late 50's or early 60's. The New Math textbook that Dash has is a big clue.
It's 1962. May-July in the first Incredibles, October at the end of the first Incredibles and in the second Incredibles. The beginning of the first incredibles with Buddy as Incrediboy (before he became Syndrome) happens in 1947. March 4, 2019, 6:55pm
I don't think that's a big deal
It's retrofuturism. So it is a stylized future, just as one imagined it in the 60s (tho heavily influenced by the technology of our time)
"What can you do? The law is the law." *soul-penetrating death stare*
I like how this was a hot take when it came out but 4 years later no one cares about this movie at all
My reasoning for Evelyn wanting to double down on the illegalization of supers is that she knows her own brother (who has tons of power and influence) isn’t going to stop his crusade to get them back in everyone’s good books. Clearly she cares about his safety and knows that he can’t be reasoned out of the endeavor, so making him stop privately or by any drastic means is off the table. That being the case, why not play along but spin the whole situation in a way that gets her what SHE wants but leaves both siblings no worse for wear?
I thought the same thing but I do think just having the movie start with heroes being legalized would have been more elegant. You could even give her the same backstory but have the movie build up to a big battle with her as the Screenslaver instead of the whole catching the Screenslaver at the end of act two obvious twist set-up.
She didn't have to stop him privately or whatever. Her technology was fundamental to his plan. If she wanted to stop the plan, doing literally nothing would have done the job fine.
Oh yeah, that's a good point
Edgar Nackenson as if he couldn’t, like, *hire* somebody instead? If she makes herself an integral part of the operation that only affords her more control. Especially narrative control, which is what her whole plan is about to begin with.
I’ll grant you, if I were writing this movie, I’d have made all of this explicit in the dialogue just to avoid this exact kind of misunderstanding, but if you think about it for five seconds I think it all clicks anyway. Evelyn is HARDLY the only tech genius in this film’s world. Hell, we know Winston trained under Rick Dicker, what’s to stop him from commissioning work from Edna or whoever made the NSA’s tech, once again guaranteeing Win’s plan goes off without a hitch and Evelyn just has to sit and take it.
The Ponderer I still don't get how she can double down on heroes being illegal. Like they can't be extra illegal. It's been a while since I last saw the movie and I only saw it once but at the end was the plan to make the heroes terrorist or something like that? At the point the heroes start to use their abilities for harm are they not now villains. It seems the movie treats them like they are an occupation so I guess technically they would still be considered heroes. But the kids get to be considered as heroes, so does that mean a hero is just anyone with abilities? If that's the case I'm sure there have been some bad eggs in the past so there must be some supper villains right? I understand what you mean by it being better for her to be included in the brothers plan but the end goal still seems whack. From my point of view if she controls the heroes to do bad then people will consider them villains instead and creating a league of super villains only produces a need for super heroes. Essentially creating the demand that up until that point did not credibly exist.
You could maybe say that using iconic heroes such as the big three will demoralize would be upstart heroes but that's not her goal, her goal is to get 100% of the people to hate heroes instead of the pre-established >50% at the beginning of the movie but that won't change their dependence on heroes as Joel already mentioned. And raising the percentage won't permanently change anything given how powerful the movie made perception be
Although I do recognized that hating supers is only the means to prevent people from relying on them, but there are smarter ways to do that without becoming a villain herself. Like for example after the heroes get legalized again use all that PR power to tack on the message heroes are here to help you, but you must also learn to help yourself. I'm sure her brother wouldn't of been opposed to that as long as he still got to have heroes working again
The best reasoning I can make for her motivation is to reference when she called her brother a child, when she was the one who couldn't grow out of her hate boner for super heroes. Essentially a childhood trauma that occurred out of a non-typical circumstance, skewed how beholden she perceived the public is too heroes and prevents her from properly reasoning. Because let's be honest besides her 1% parents, who else is going to place their bet on being saved by a super over doing the rational thing. Especially when the more common situation is call cops or hide and depending on the threat lvl maybe you should call the cops first
You look a bit nerveous. Nice videp though
Subbed for the eyes
You’re Eyes…
This is the only video where Joel looks like a fish and thats incredibly special. Incredibles 2 special.
I thought it was meh. Not great, not terrible.
My childhood nickname was Evelyn and every time you said her name I cringed lmao
eva t Same here!
Bringing supers back into the limelight wasn't Evelyn's idea; it was her brother's, and she was trying to sabotage it.
The bodycams weren't for accountability; they were for publicity, so the public could see more than just the aftermath of the fights.
The film takes place in the 1960s, so game show trends of the last 30 years aren't really relevant.
At the Beginning he was slaved by screenslaver xD no blinking 🤣
You talk like you're a fusion between Shaun (of Shaun and Jen) and Jenny Nicholson. Not a bad thing, but it's odd.
That came off meaner than I intended. Good video.
That’s exactly what I thought!
there is no Jen, that's Shaun's body pillow.
I thought of Jenny Nicholson too.