Both SABOTAGE Ending Choices of SWTOR: Onslaught. Republic & Empire Saboteur Endings.
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- SWTOR: Onslaught - Showing you what happens if you sabotage your own faction in the end of the expansion. Republic and Empire saboteur ending choices.
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Let's have this super secret conversation in a hallway filled with a handful of guards whos job is to literally watch anyone coming in for suspicious behavior. Smart
indeed!
According to the lore, the red honour guard has a vow of silence that they CANNOT break in any given circumstances since the order uses it as a weapon for intimidation.
@@Finalhellmaster This.
@@Finalhellmaster That does not however account for being put on the holo in front of the Republic soldiers which were, what- ten feet away at max? It's just a little hard to hold suspension of disbelief.
@@nathanwinters2400 they’re too busy to notice on dealing the substantial amount of damage done anyway. Doesn’t stop my smuggler from getting angry at the holo call.
Yeah, I feel the Sabateur quest line is leading to our eventual switch to the opposing faction in an upcoming update, it just feels too odd that the commander keeps messing things up, yet isn't blamed for what's going on.
I doubt that there will ever be a switch, though it would be very cool. What comes to messing up, I think most people are still worshipping you as a war hero for your earlier faction and then for the Alliance that they do not dare question, they rather believe that Republic/Empire just is really competent. ;D
Yeah... on one hand I'm 99% certain they won't actually allows us to switch sides, or if they do, it would somehow be only in the story. However the fact that they tease us with a dialogue choice to ask for that is interesting!
Do they tease it? I think Jonas Balkar sums up my guess of BioWare's thought process perfectly: they don't know either and Commander is way more useful within the enemy ranks than as an open ally according to the respective forces.
Saboteurs will need to be content with a covert setting. I'm honestly not too keen on this concept as a whole in general, Smugglers and Bounty Hunters feel faction neutral occupation-wise and only Trooper seems acceptable as it rhymes (Lucas style) with the Chapter 1 of his/her story.
Yeah idk about fully "switching sides openly", you could do alot of damage undercover, look at Chancellor Palintine, made many plots... till he was discovered.
Though I understand why folks aren't really happy with this "working in the shadows business" since there are characters who have switched sides openly but it doesn't bother me personally
To be fair, the situations where you sabotauge the missions so far have a lot of leeway for it genuinely being out of your hands since no one was around to see that you had the opportunity.
frankly the Imperial Agent, Sith Inquisitor and Bounty Hunter all have very good reasons for betraying the empire. That is 1 in 4 classes.
Agent and Bounty Hunter, sure. Inquisitor? Explain.
The inq starts out as a slave of the empire, you get constant disrespect till the 3rd chapter. Bounty hunter a sith chokes one of your companions just to show he can. And agent....onomonaphobia.
The Inquisitor shows their true power though
Even the warrior have some good reasons to betray the empire too, he was betray again and again by the empire ( baras, quinn and the emperor)
That matters how? The Inquisitor is able to make it very plain before the Kaggath that they have no love for the Empire due to being enslaved. There's your explanation and that's what I chose for mine.
God sabotaging the Sith Empire is SO fun. You get to see the Sith Lords pour hundreds of hours into desperate schemes only for you to shoot the control console at the last minute, AND then you get to say "not my fault it was hers" and let them take the fall. To add insult to injury all the Empire can think to do as you beat them is give you more power and weapons. It's so fun
Im imperial and i even think thats funny
Its fun seeing them melt down right in front of your eyes. You probably even promote Sith infighting by selecting options 2 or 3 (poor Malgus).
While fun, it also got a tad boring imo. I think it'd of been better had the Darths in question been... intelligent.
Savik I had high hopes for until I realized she legit chose the dumbest person as an in. I understood what they were going for but her character falls so flat in understanding tact, let alone leadership.
Vowrawn was the technical last of the OG Councilers which made me believe him to be a coward since, well- most of the more, shall we say... respected Darths died before the events in the game. He legit just hung back and acted as a seat warmer- one of the major reasons I can never let Acina not be Empress since she has a brain in her skull compared to him.
Anathel is the definition of filler. Was it not for his history with Xarion, and eventually Darth Nox- I would have expected him dead ages ago- until Zaakul reared their ugly head. Either way him surviving as well as Xarion... and not living up to their rivalry- was a major let down.
Malora felt wasted to me. Having roots all the way at the start with both Darth Nox and Wrath gave me high hopes as- if she rose while we were doing the same, she could have been a powerhouse on the Council. But no. She got a cool look, given the brain of her old master (and while I get the irony in that, it's done so boringly), and possibly even just flat dead depending on your choices.
That leaves literally two worthwhile members of the Council- Krovos and the previously mention Xarion. We have a history with Krovos (if you do Kuyat), and Xarion lives (mostly) up to his reputation. Empress Acina makes the Empire at least feel competent, not to mention I believe that, unlike Vowrawn- Acina actually would have had the balls to bring Malgus back as her personal variant of Wrath.
@Iron Kanabo That's the Star Wars universe for you.
I think it is cool that what ever side you sabotage says they need the Alliance now more then ever. If written well, if the game finally allows you to show that you switched sides, it could be a really cool moment.
Yeah, I fully expect all would-be turncoats to get f***ed over by the factions they been secretly helping. Aside from being a repeat of the Agent story, it'll be WAY easier for the developers to just have your contact say: "Well, we decided that we dont need your help anymore, have fun explaining your failures to your bosses!" then actually programming a mechanic to allow a full faction switch. The fact that your sith contact makes it clear hes the ONLY ONE who knows about your defection is pretty damning in that regard...
I can't fully confirm this but, when you sabotage your faction you don't get invited to join it back?
xLetalis Sadly it appears that you’re right
I guess the game assumes you will join your faction again no matter what, because the faction is in such a bad state that to them, you NEED to be back to the faction to fix it, so no matter what, the choice is forced on you by your faction, because you are their strongest fighter, and trump card, so if you aren't in the faction, they're screwed. Thankfully, that seems to make it easier to work undercover, and sabotage the faction from the inside.
@@furryfloofer8742 You actually get mail, from Lana on Rep not sure from who if Imp yet, praising you for remaining neutral. So you don't join back up with your faction, at least on the Rep side
yeah that seems weird and confusing
@@mafian234 Well, in either case, it seems you have to fix the faction, because they are so weakened by you screwing everything up, so you are not given a choice here, since they are desperate for your help, even if you never joined the faction formally, which ironically makes it easier to fuck everything up later, since you are so directly involved with their operations. That's my best guess, and if that's the case, that's actually pretty smart writing by bioware. Thanks for informing me though!
I hope the saboteur gets exposed and you can ACTUALLY join the Republic/Empire
Not going to happen due to engine and code limitations as far as i know. There is already a bug on Odessen where, under certain circumstances, parts of the base become hostile. The player will always be part of its original faction. Creating an imperial character means you are joining the baddies, it is how it is and it sucks. The imperial stories have always been better written and Onslaught is no exception. Rep is almost always booooooooring.
@@Fackeldackel Citation needed
@@TintelFruit Just visit the swtor forum and check for the bug reports and hotfixes. There are even screenshots.
@@Fackeldackel none of this is true
11 months later. But as seen on Iokath with faction swapping it can be done. While on said planet/instance you’ll be in the opposite faction but as soon as you leave you’ll be reverted to whatever faction your class is part of.
The fact that he called you in such a compromised location and then is so nonchalant about it when you call him out on it is a HUGE red flag for me.
It gives the impression that at best they are lazy/sloppy, at worst that they really don't care if they blow your cover after you have fulfilled your usefulness to them.
I’ve always enjoyed playing light side sith characters. I’m excited to play through the saboteur routes even if they don’t seem completely fleshed out yet. I’ve always wanted my Sith Warrior to join the Republic!
Besides Empire saboteur is more interesting imo
I play as Sith Warrior. How should I Join Republic to sabotage Empire?
Xarion, so that is what you've been doing.
Yeah, he even mentions his "spies".
Should we know Xarion from before? His wookiepedie page is thread bare.
@@bindair_dundat I think there might be more info about him on the swtor wiki (if it exists) I haven't checked
@@bindair_dundat I do not recall seeing him before, I think I would remember him if he had an appearance
@@xLetalis Well he is the successor of Darth Jadus so he has to be a very ressourcefull guy
Sometimes I just want the alliance to be the faction that does not side with any faction
they have a line in the game files saying to keep neutrality, but they decided to ditch it which sucks because I honestly don’t like either side
@@JacobTD finally! I couldn't agree more!
Imagine the alliance leading pve content, while pvp is the faction war~
Same. 🥲
Well Darth Xarion is definitely someone I hope Bioware does more with in the future
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:) My pleasure
honestly the whole sabotage story while is interesting at the same time though it does raises some questions.
Never liked Darth Anathel because he was like Darth Ravage. He was always trying to berate the SW and SI from the moment you met him. Maybe that's why i'm fine with him gone.
Has anyone played inquisitor sabetour that kills anathel
A dark Jedi working with the Empire? That is too weird for me, and she has gone too far, but actually I am curious when can the traitor reveal its true nature against our true enemy.
I’m a DS Jedi going to join the Empire! Death to Republic 😈
Why weird? The entire history of the Sith is of dark Jedi joining the Sith, it’s nothing unusual. A sith turning to the light side is rare, however.
I always come to your channel first whenever there's a new swtor patch out. Keep up the good work.
Thank you :)
I see that sabotaging the republic/empire is only optional could you show us what happens if your saboteur plays it safe for now and doesn’t sabotage the republic/empire i am curious how nr-02 and Jonas would react to that
I'm not sure if my Smuggler and Trooper are saboteurs, if so I may be able to test it. I've saboteurs on the other account but I'm not sure I want to subscribe 2 accounts atm
@@xLetalis It's worth looking up since there is an actual difference.
In my opinion, Vowrawn is a better Emperor than Acina. Just the way he holds himself.
I like him better too
Personally I feel Vowrawn is much better scheming after the throne, and early on Acina seemed to be the perfect leader due to her pragmatism. Before finding out who NR-02 was owned to I assumed it was Vowrawn trying to turn my SW against Acina. Part of the reason I refused to rejoin the Empire in the end is that I have better abilities to keep Acina on the throne than Vowrawn. It helps too that I was nice to Malgus in previous expansions, so if he wants to take the throne I’d support him. I’m still really bummed I couldn’t join him after Ilum, the SW story seems so close to his own that I wanted to follow him.
I really wish that the Alliance could remain its own faction throughout this period. Since my Alliance Commander is the bounty hunter, the mood constantly swings back and forth between "when can I go back to shooting people for money," "I don't care about any of this," and "look, working for you guys has kinda cost me in the past and I'm not very enthusiastic about helping by any stretch of the imagination, but I'll cheer and sellout so long as you give things to shoot at, trophies to collect, and money to pay off my mortgage."
Big ups darth xarion my lads sticking up for me when I'm not around
A Sith helping to save the Jedi? I think i'll throw up
apologies :)
Sith Empire has no future... so support a lost cause seems... illogical.
"A Sith helping to save the Jedi?" Lana :)
canonically speaking, the sith empire will fall and fade into obscurity for 3000 years.
@@jish55 swtor is not even canon anymore
All those handful of people including me, who thought that NR-02's master was Jadus are now experiencing their speculation theory crumbling. :D
But this update made me wonder again, where is Jadus? It just feels less and less likely that he is a mastermind pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I'm sure we'll see Jadus again, I mean, he does get mentioned on Iokath, and I'm sure we all know by now that when an old character gets mentioned, they're going to make a return, also, correct me if I'm wrong, he's the only villain of a class story that you don't get to kill, you can only make him flee or have him locked up, so because of that it's possible that Bioware actually has big plans for him, so we might see him in a future expansion, probably as the main villain too!
@@WorkGalaxy47 Well depending on story he can be agent's best ally or worst enemy. So he may not be even considered in the main plot as a villian.
ah well... Jadus would've been a cooler option
@@xLetalis Jadus is actually mentioned in the story off the cuff, apparently one of his apprentices was the brother of the Untamed leader
Kanassa actually i believe the master of the untamed brother actually served one of jadus’s servants/apprentices
I like how you can finally switch sides in this game as I think it should have been a option from the beginning since playing a Darkside Jedi who still served the Republic was fun, but the option of joining the Empire would have been much better.
Hell the fact Scourge talks about you killing the Emperor and taking the throne while he places a crown on your head should have been a option considering he's always trying to change your thinking during your talks and unlike Praven never accepts the light.
It's clear that it's something they wanted to when you look at the end of the Eternal Throne saga where you can assume the throne or reform it into a Republic.
It wouldn't change the Hutt Cartel or Revan stories since you'd just play them for the opposite side that you normally would if you hadn't switched.
So I don't see why not adding the option to become a Sith/Jedi can't be added.
Lord Wrath serving the Republic, betreaying the Empire and helping Jedi. It sickens me.
Quite so. The fact the former Emperors right hand is assisting his ancient enemies.. its revolting.
Darth Zarion ! ? Holy.____ ! Never saw that coming
Please, PLEASE tell me they plan to eventually give the option for a Sith character to out right become a Jedi and vice versus. That would be the best dark side/light side finale of all time.
Hm.. who knows
Hmm, it's kinda interesting, but i doubt it would be effective. If you only "transform" Sith to Jedi and vice versa, it would kinda lost sense to do it. If i wanna play Jedi a would've play it whole time, not that i am sith for the most of the game and then suddenly, one decision and you are Jedi now? No, that just doesn't sound that good to me
I found the whole sabotage thing hilarious since it is anything, but subtle. Hell just from reading the messages that I got from Malgus suggest that he is planning to kill me soon no matter what due to failing to complete stuff and it being a coincidence that whenever I am on the mission the mission ends in a failure.
Is it possible to be a saboteur but the faction leaders offer you your old job? So far I have not seen that. Also maybe it's the mask but if I ever do swtor and I eventually make it to onslaught, which pub character should I use to eventually meet Darth Xarion? He looks so cool.
I am waiting for just one of the Imperials my BH turncoat is working with to figure out that the one thing all those recent setbacks had in common was the close proximity of that damn Zabrak mercenary.
So far it seems that the Sith are so conditioned to fucking each other over that they can't even conceive of the possibility that someone from the outside might be the one messing up all their plans. Pavlovian paranoia.
Man seeing the dark council melt down is funny. Selecting options 2 or 3 promotes infighting within the Sith, breaking them down even more.
As a sith inquisitor after doing "Jedi Under Siege" i choose to ally with Empire but now im regreting it. I thought i will have more control over story. Instead of that im "sith pushover" and whole cruelity and lack of good light side choices annoys me :/ I cannot switch sides or do saboutage ending now? Im playing light sided sith inquisitor so :/ The whole come back of Darth Malgus is uhh... A guy who tried to kill you came back... is higher than you and you need to "obey"
Yeah, I am switching sides with my LS Inquisitor too. Because fuck Malgus.
Can anyone tell me how Dark Council members even hear each other? This room is big and their chairs are like 20m apart from eachother
auvy, Space magic Wizards DUH...
Speakers in the chairs.
6:34 - 6:44 lmfao, is he trying to kill you or what? :D
hmmm i wonder what happens after this whole story arc as a light side sith both emp supporter and saboteur
If you ask me, it seems *_most_* appropriate for the Imperial Agent (Cipher Nine) to be the saboteur against the Sith Empire, especially if you chose certain Light Side options during their class story. And I just don't have it in me for my Sith Warrior/Inquisitor characters to ever betray the Empire; especially not when Acina lent aid during the KOTFE/KOTET chapters.
I mean, you don't _have to_ betray the Empire to ensure the Republic & the Jedi aren't annihilated. That's why I like the one Light Side response you can give before the fight against Gnost Dural. They'd lose the war, but many remaining would live to see it.
I like how vaylins theme plays above the republic ending
"Emperor Vowrawn", talk about scrubbing the bottom of the barrel. Empire is less than a shadow of it's former self.
I like it how both the jedi and Sith betray each of their sides
I don't really enjoy the Republic Saboteur as much as the Imperial Loyalist considering it really hits home the real victims of your actions, but I do really like the introduction of Darth Xerion as your indirect retainer. I look forward to watching your videos to see how this unfolds.
Yeah, I made all my pubbies loyalists, and imps saboteurs in this expansion, because the empire just seems so ruthless, destructive, aggressive, and evil, not even caring about civillian casualties, and wanting to take everything for themselves.
They talk about destroying, and murdering jedi CONSTANTLY, while as a pubby, you save, help, and protect them so it's kinda hard to side with, and sympathize with the imps to me sadly, considering that the jedi are the victims, and the empire are the aggressors this entire war.
I'll be onto it ;]
As a sith sorcerer I stayed with the Empire, but I'm lowering the casualities of the war
4:51 "This deal's getting worse all the time!"
Indeed, I hope they don't alter it any further ;]
Insignificant Gnat oh by the way you will put on this tutu and bring it to battle also call yourself cutypie
@@necromage843 "oh F%*$ you I'm not doing this!" Lol
answer those 32 unread mails!!! >:O
uh it's mostly promotional stuff!
Wait how are you are saboteur for the republic while empress acina is dead? Is there a point in the game to formally go back to the empire then secretly join the republic cause I have only seen when you side with the republic, and kill the empress then you can only be a saboteur for the empire.
You can become a saboteur after siding with the republic on Iocath
Question if you play on any faction do you need to betray or join the other fiction to continue the story or can i be loyal to only one I'm just curious 🤔
You can just stick to one faction throughout the whole thing, you're not forced to join and then betray the opposite one
@@xLetalis oh 😊
personally, i prefer sabotaging both factions while remaining loyal to the Alliance.
xLetalis first Witcher 3 now SWTOR you trying to make me become a shut in?
hehe :D Actually I started with SWTOR way before TW3!
Have you seen the endings where you're a saboteur, but don't take the saboteur options?
No, I'll see if I have any saboteurs left on my main account. I have some on my 2nd but I don't wanna subscribe on it too :(
I really am wondering what the endgame of Saboteur plot is. Like will we suddenly have Jedi running around Dromund Kaas? Or will there be a class switch? Or is Bioware just gonna forget about this completely?
Probably the 3rd option
I wish a saboteur could rejoin their empire. Think about how much damage a member of the dark council or keeper could do as a traitor
I could never betray the empire! They are the good ones! :D But republic saboteur is fun!
I would always support the empire, not because patriotism, but because of the past chapter of the game. The republic didn´t do anything for you against Vaylin. Then the former chancellor wants you dead. The empire saved your life on Voss, and supported you ,neverminds their own costs. And after that on Iocath the republic has the nerve to ask us to betray Acina because of the good old times. Even my republic Charackters sides with the empire(It´s a question of honor.). And then my trooper thinks, that the republic ist really corrupted and degenerated, while the empire DOES at least anything against galactic menaces.
Weird on my 3 sith I still have empress Acina not vowlron. Any idea? I don't remember killing aciina to be a choice ever.
She dies if you side with Malcom on Iokath
@@xLetalis thanks, yeah I've betrayed the republic with a jedi but never the other way around. Interesting though I thought iokath was boring personally and some of my characters I just skipped that whole thing because once you've done the story 3-4 times it's like eh I'll just level and move to the end game again. But thanks for the info!
thats crazy that a dark jedi is aligning with the sith thats cool
My god I thought you are Mako xd
What armor set does your sith warrior have on?
don't remember :( got it some 5 years ago from the commendation vendors on the fleet
can you be sith and join the pubs at first then switch back over through actions?
yes
So if you are a saboteur you dont have the option to choose the Empire or the Alliance?
As BH the only faction I feel any sort of loyalties towards are the Mandalorians.
The Republic and Empire both are incredibly flawed.
The Republic is rotten to the core with corruption, crime and incompetence.
Not helped by constant political red tape that hampers its effort or to cower up its own mistakes.
The Jedi are the most competent members, but they are like duck tape holding the entire Republic together.
The Empire has a more competent government but its resources and troops are constantly wasted by pointless power struggles between Sith.
The Sith power struggles and petty attitude have crippled the Empire. Killing civilians, troopers or even competent commanders for their own amusement or for minor failures which in turn leads to defeat. We see this in the first flashpoint (the talon if I remember correctly) and with the Major and Darth Malora. It is also the Sith obsession with blood purity that have hindered the Empire from taking in other allies. This is why so many people liked darth malgus originally since he was not like those Sith.
So it is either a faction with an incompetent government but competent force user leaders.
Or an competent government but incompetent force user leaders
im really interested whats happening when you switch factions at the start but dont follow through when these choices come up.
that video is coming up tomorrow!
@@xLetalis thank you, looking forward to it!
My trooper really enjoy saboteur Rep
Helping the Empire only to weaken them is such a Sith thing to do. Also, I prefer Vowrawn over Acina.
They ever improve lightning dps?
i've no idea :D
Pfft. I could never sabotage the Republic just to be Xarion's pawn. So he can sit around Dromund Kaas bragging about how he owns the Jedi Battlemaster... Nah thanks. And they treat you like garbage lol. "Do not keep me waiting".... Cue me destroying that uppity droid
Why does the control system sound like K9 from doctor who?
how can my character become a Saboteur? Do I have to choose the other side of my character? Which means if I'm sith I have to pick Republic and otherwise with the Republic characters to choose empire?
yes
@@xLetalis okay so you can't betray "your" original side. Sadly.
@@TheStarkiller96 maybe one day
Is it me or does someone within the Dark Council suspect a traitor? Is it?
In the meantime the Jedi are just as naive as ever. Big surprise.
Vowrawn in my playthrough did almost seem like he suspected something in the end.
They probably do, but seeing how treachery and backstabbing is a big part of the Sith MO, the list of suspects is probably pretty long. Also the way Malgus broke his leash there at the end, he'd probably make a good scapegoat for any irregularities that turn up.
Insignificant Gnat not necessarily. Malgus suffered injuries to the point he had to be hospitalized and I don’t think they were referring to Malgus at the end. While Malgus was let into the plan, he didn’t have much of a choice. The Alliance though did have the choice of participating or not. Not a good sign when an emperor/empress and at least one other suspect sabotage with no one trying to stab each other in the back. What’s her name clearly suspects the Alliance Commander which means she’s no longer fooled.
At this point she can very well believe that the Alliance Commander was behind the “failure” for two reasons; the first being she in fact came up with the plan and it shouldn’t have failed as badly as it did, and if you gave the most awkward of speeches to the troops. Also, putting some behind the scenes speculation, it seems the Dark Council want to work together so getting away with this kind of sabotage isn’t easy.
yeah I think they do, unlike the reps
I love how the Republic is so blind back then and 3000 years later... I’m looking at you, Jedi Council whom forgot to look too deep into the Chancellor...
Mako is force sensitive?
What happens if you end the saboteur role? Do you know of a video for that?
nope, I wanna try ending it later
Shame you chose vowran as emperor instead of Acina. Beheading him at Mek Sha with his aversion to beheading is hilarious
Nothing said about the jedi in the alliance
Man I heard of the sabotage story lines, I've got like 10 toons I've gone through the quest lines with somehow haven't tried these. I didn't know there were so many different variations. Some of them Acina is Empress some Vowrawn is Emperor. I might actually start another toon just to do these. What are there like 4 different out comes staying loyal for each faction and sabotaging for each faction?
yes, though not vastly different
you didn't show what I wanted to confirm, do you know that if you are a saboteur helping the Republic and told Theron that before the start of onslaught does he complain about actions you took when you meet up with him and Lana at fleet. I ask because I think I chose saboteur for every option I could, but he complained about lives lost. What can I say, the first time he turned on me really upset me.
The reason theron complained after correllia is because you did not pick the lightside option for the sith meeting before correlia, saying that them taking lives purely as a diversionary tactic is fucking horrible. Do that, then krovos decides to take down buildings in correllia instead of civillains for more long term benefit for the empire.
Basically do not pick saboteur during the meeting if you want theron to be happy after corellia, many players did this, and it's easy to get tricked, and misdirected on it does literally nothing, and doesn't change anything at all unlike the lightside option. It's the one time the saboteur option doesn't help at all.
If you choose the lightside option, and you actually did speak out against them killing tons of civilians, he says something different, the hint about what you should have done is in his rant, when he mentioned that you did not do anything to stop the empire from massacring all those civillians in corellia . It tripped lots of people up, and confused quite a few of them before they realized what happened. ruclips.net/video/GDB8SxEZeB0/видео.html, skip to 30:40 to see what happens after you picked the lightside option before corellia.
I'm pretty sure Theron can be happy even if you're not saboteur
@@xLetalis Yeah, what my other account was saying all these times was to not pick the neutral option, instead pick the lightside option before corellia if you want theron to be happy, and not be justifiably angry that you never spoke out against the murder of civillains in corellia, thus making you complicit in all those murders, that applies to both the saboteur, AND LOYALIST.
The thing is, the neutral option was literally labelled saboteur(would have been labelled loyalist if you were not saboteur), so players naturally picked it, thinking it would damage in empire, and help the republic in some way, told him to not pick it.
BTW, thanks for approving my comments, deleted my other posts that i made after realizing only one got through. The part that changes if you are a saboteur compared to loyalist is what lana/theron says after theron gives a chance on the empire if he's happy.
so the only difference is that now you get to make a choice if you want to repair the shields or let the facility be destroyed? I hoped for something more, like actually joining the opposite faction fully meaning you could raid with them and do FP's with them as well and hang out on your new factions fleet instead. Would help a ton for those people that have friends who play on opposite factions but don't want to level a new alt. But i guess that's too much to ask
leveling an alt is easy -_-
you don't even have to do the story. Reach level 15 and them do veteran FPs together with your friends.
I accidentally sided with the empire with my Jedi Knight, can I undo that
yes, later
@@xLetalis when does this happen?
@@trentgashi5943 uh sadly i'm not longer sure, possibly in the end of the chapter or during the next one you can give up your saboteur role
@@trentgashi5943 I think at the end of Onslaught.
I remember it could also be bugged.
How to start saboteur role?
the choices to side with the other faction will present themselves
Why can’t you just fight openly?!?!
I guess you can deal more potential damage to the faction if you work in the inside, know their plans because they trust you so much, and screw up their plans, much easier to find information, and find out what they are doing directly to fuck them up later than to be considered an enemy by them by fighting against them, also more potential opportunities to fuck over the faction for the same reason, jonas did say you did too much damage on the inside as a saboteur to pass up when you ask about the opportunity fighting for the republic directly. You are more useful working for the enemies and fucking them over from the inside than to be an ally openly.
It actually does seem like you actually do have a much easier time performing what is being asked for you next expansion as a saboteur, when they trust you easily than fighting against them directly considering what you are going to do with the jedi, with the darth/jedi saying as much when they tell you what they want you to do, which is good to see. That's my best justification lorewise.
too difficult to implement into the game ;]
What class is this?
Jedi Knight
@@xLetalis cool
@@xLetalis I have never seen that outfit
Wow sabotateur os intrigant!
I would like to play the story, I'm just not comfortable paying for such lackluster game.
I'm almost intrested in playing the game, back when I played it on release I really could not get into it, the story and progression seemed to drag.
I like the idea of saboteur but some them make me wonder why no say why the hell you fail.
Spooky
I defected to the Republic, because empire has no future or identity of its own, anymore. Not to help the Jedi!
a fair reason