As INS Brahmaputra 'keels over',Shekhar Gupta&Snehesh Philip look at worrying rate of Navy accidents
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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The INS Brahmaputra, a guided missile frigate of the Indian Navy known as the 'Raging Rhino', nearly keeled over at Mumbai's Naval Dockyard after a fire broke out on board during its refit on Sunday. In Episode 1488 of #CutTheClutter, Editor-in-chief Shekhar Gupta and Deputy Editor Snehesh Alex Philip look at the record of Navy vessel accidents through the years and discuss why the loss of capital assets and the rate of frequent Navy accidents is worrying.
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Snehesh is how one should approach journalism. With knowledge backing one's views.
Well done team Print.
Indian Navy #indiannavy should release the incident report. Let it be debated and people know about happened. Unless you acknowledge you can make corrections. Fire some of the incompetent people in charge. It's shameful to say the least. Maybe it's a reflection of overall safety culture in India
Abeh report tog bananeh doh pehleh
@@Myanmartiger921 have you seen any reports of past accidents? Sometimes it’s wiser to stay silent if you don’t know nothing
@@samg7123our navy is only one that performs lets be lenient. Our shipyard psu are okay not great but million times better than hal.
@@Myanmartiger921 lenient ? There is no excuse for flouting safety rules. You can have accident but if you don’t learn and repeat means you are incompetent of learning. Then you must pave way for another person
@@Myanmartiger921 That isn't saying much my friend. Royal Enfield makes better bikes than HAL makes aircraft.
"minds are landlocked" .... Good one Shekhar 👍
The Indian Navy needs a cultural change. The Navy has made a habit of losing ships inside the port. The Admirals are always finding ways and means to add more admirals on top. They spend their time on frivolous activities like designing new uniforms and chasing more and more perks and allowances.
Safronising the forces etc etc
@@niyasm8973What does that mean?
very true, there is no focus on the actual industrial workers who are supposed to carry out the repairs. the dockyard hires laborers on 'dihadi' to work. they are effectively sabotaging their basic work.
@@Prat2023 refer to recent changes in Navy and other forces...from change of Uniforms to recom to range of Names and designation
@@Prat2023 also appointment of those who shows affection to BJP whos tenure will end and they extend it for their gains eg case of RKS Badouria
Please bring back walk the talk.
The vessel listing is due to negligence at the top level. When water is pumped in for fire fighting, other fluids onboard should have been moved to maintain stability. Negligence at top level or lack of knowledge and experience 😢
Problem is number of navy accidents happen at docks.... things can go wrong on sea while on missions but incidents happening at docks is shameful.
Your UPSC aspirant audience might even have known about this already. However, for ordinary people like me, this so, so illuminating, educative and I don't know what to say.
FYI our Neighabour to the west has 7 submarines and 11 cutting edge frigates with a record of 2 accidents in 20 years of existing inventory of ships. With 30% of the budget too so hats off to them. And like our navy the Pakistani navy ventures to as far as Turkey !
Gentleman in a country with hotch potch of navy sailors speaking different languages,come from different cultures,belong to different faiths,these type of accidents are bound to happen.Also number of braggards about pseudo democracy and treatment to poor minorities should feel that for a good performing force be it navy or airforce you need to have a unity among those who form these forces.
Some accidents both from navy and airforce are very shameful that could only be covered by this journalist because great hush hush will never make truth come up.
And our neighbor to the East has an even better record
Incident is So bad … agree with this chalta hai attitude in India in everything
This incident is an eyeopener. The nation doesn't want excuses; what we demand is the truth . If India can't even maintain its equipment in peace time how does it expect to fight a war . Do we have to outsource the manufacture of such critical infrastructure to other countries and then boast about GDP and industrial might . Maybe make in India is called for in this sector too .
Sir, If you have compared indian coastguard accidents with navy, It would have shed some light. I think coastguard is maintainig relatively much newer vessels. Thereby less accidents.
Unfair comparisons break my heart. It's like comparing a college athlete with potential to a seasoned veteran. Mistakes, timings, and achievements will differ, so drawing parallels is unfair.
In 200 years, US Navy has lost many platforms. Give us 130 more years, and let's compare then.
This isn't about competence or leadership.
From relief and aid missions to our neighbours,
Anti piracy operations, curbing the houthi Rebels, conducting daring rescue operations and keeping our waters safe and maintaining harmony in the region , all of this is in the last 7 months alone.
Accidents happen, and no one in the Indian Navy wanted this mishap. Now, they should focus on recovery and getting back on track.
If the fire accident occurred in dockyard, why should the commanding officer be court marshalled? It is the dockyard incharge who should be held responsible. Does not seem either sensible or fair.
@snehalesh can you touch base on our coastal defence readiness in one of your segments? India has one of the longest coastline and with growing Chinese naval might it might be a problem in the future.
And some indians are dreaming about being a superpower.
Why not? Did any opium eating pig tailedChinese of the 18th and 19th centuries, dream of being a super Power?
Superpowers have lost entire fleets in a bid to become a superpower....both in war and peacetime. The price in lives and assets paid by the world's top militaries in both wartime and peacetime is a big one. This is not a movie...nor a news studio,
@@victor256in you did not watch the video? The ships were lost because of incompetence of people. Whereas other countries lose ships due to war. Stop making excuses. People can't maintain regular practices, that's why we have so much equipment failure.
@@victor256in If that's an explanation it's very inadequate and pathetic. The nation doesn't want excuses; what we demand is the truth . If India can't even maintain its equipment in peace time how does it expect to fight a war . Do we have to outsource the manufacture of such critical infrastructure to other countries and then boast about GDP and industrial might . Maybe make in India is called for in this sector too .
The maximum US casualties caused in the US Afghan war was due to accidents. More risk results in more crashes and accidents
I am surprised you didn’t mention the word Sabotage!
Its incompetence
This indicates many things :
Inadequate training
Inadequate monitoring or supervision
Ships requiring more maintenance than usual as quote old.
Inadequate safety policies
Demote people held responsible
Excellent presentation 👏 👌
This is really a very serious matter...
The culture of Hota hai, chalta hai is so ingrained among us. Imagine getting your car rammed by the car behind you during a stalled traffic situation. It happened with me thrice in 4 months. Why? Because the guy behind did not disengage the gear and took his feet off the clutch. Or look at how we drive. Tailgating is a habit. Our naval culture seems to mirror what most of us follow in our everyday life. Sad!
Basic Naval Architecture. GM = Meta Centric Height (Distance between Vertical Center of Gravity "G" and the Meta Center "M"). Location of M above the center of buoyancy (B) is determined by the moment of the inertia of water plane and the buoyancy of the vessel at that instant. GM needs to be greater than zero to prevent capsize. Anything that floats meets this criterion.
Honestly this sounds very amatuerish. Standard practice is safety is responsibiæity of shipyard. Cna anyone confirm there was no smoking and a fire watch of work was going on? Secondly it's common sense if you flood ship with water you will look at at list to ensure ship don't have u due stress. This is completely another level to ship to tilt over. Fire the yard managers. amazingly incompetent
The Commanding Officer of INS Brahmaputra is not a soft target. He is the officer responsible for the safety of the warship. He must be held to account.
Comparing us navy with Indian navy is like comparing a fish and a kangaroo both of them operates at a whole different environment
You seem to be crazy in love with all other defense forces except your own!! You forgot to mention that USS Bonhomme Richard suffered a catastrophic fire during maintenance in 2020. Britain and Russian which are world’s oldest and finest navies had also faced similar incidents earlier. And there are so many more such cases..
This experience has opened my eyes. The truth is what the country demands; we don't want any excuses. India cannot hope to wage a war if it cannot even maintain its weaponry during peacetime. Do we really need to rely on other nations to produce such vital infrastructure while bragging about our GDP and industrial prowess? Perhaps this industry needs more "made in India" products.
Naval asset of Brahmaputra met with accident in a naval dockyard undergoing refitting. Surely the blame should not be heaped upon navy.
I believe the shoddy handling of equipments by workmen should be the focus of blame.
Good insight good job
There should be parliamentary enquiry into all accidents where there is loss of assets and people should be held accountable with tangible actions.
Sekharji Ur picture is representational so how would you know whats the correct status. BUT i agree we need responsibility from Navy or AF or Army or any GOV agency when handling National assets
Operation ‘Bottoms Up’ ! Cheers ! Has the Fleet Admiral not been arrested ?
I think the Parliament should conduct a proper investigation into this, losing expensive weapons of war in peacetime is not a good sign
Whilst evryone is pointing fingers on the Indian Navy personnel, nobody is questioning the Shipyard who made these class of ships.
Sheer incompetency and carelessness on the part of Naval dockyard personnel. It seems we have not learnt from similar accidents in the past where frontline warships were severely damaged while undergoing repairs inside the dockyard. Heads must roll.
All court of enquiry reports should be tabled in front of the parliament and tye parliamentary standing committee overseeing the navy.
Why can't all the merchant ships be docked at Nahva Sheva port off Mumbai?
It's better to remove the naval assets from the Bombay harbour and have a separate dedicated Indian Navy harbour.
it's too far from logitics hubs.
@CosmicValkyrie may be... why is what's required, not in place?
@@siddharthgoyal4008 can't that be taken care of very easily?
Thanks!
Dear Arko,
Thank you for your continuous support. Your contributions are invaluable.
How is one supposed to counter PLAN with mishaps like these 😒
A couple of Admirals in the chain should be sacked.
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did you see other photos of Brahmaputra with its panels very rugged looking.
Like the workmanship done by some trainees....
Expected at least one X-Indian Navi officer in the debate to listen to their problems. Is there an urgent need to establish special Maintenance and Operations monitoring Force for all the three forces to assure smooth running of the equipment and avoid the accidents of the war assets.
The accidents during refit reflects on the technical capabilities of Naval Dockyards management which is run by Navy. Ship repair and shipbuilding is a civilian function and there is no rational for GOI to keep it under their fold. In most countries the refit and repair are carried out by the private sector shipyards who employ specialist skilled civilian shipbuilding personnel who carry out the job at lesser cost and much more efficiently. It is beyond imagination why taxpayers money is spent on inefficient Naval Dockyards which can be sold to private players. Naval ship operations unfortunately can not be outsourced. Admirals need to improve the quality and effectiveness of the naval personnel.
**Pakistani Navy Mishaps:**
1. **PNS Ghazi (1971)**: The submarine PNS Ghazi sank under mysterious circumstances during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. The exact cause remains unclear, with various theories suggesting it hit a mine or experienced an internal explosion.
2. **PNS Khaibar (1971)**: During the same war, the destroyer PNS Khaibar was hit by an Indian missile and sank, resulting in significant loss of life.
3. **PNS Zulfiqar (1971)**: Another destroyer, PNS Zulfiqar, was mistakenly hit by friendly fire from Pakistani forces, causing damage and casualties.
4. **PNS Mujahid (1999)**: The missile boat PNS Mujahid capsized and sank near the Ormara coast during a naval exercise, leading to the loss of several crew members.
5. **PNS Saif Collision (2010)**: The frigate PNS Saif collided with a merchant vessel near Karachi, causing damage but no casualties.
6. **PNS Nasr Incident (2014)**: The fleet tanker PNS Nasr suffered a fire while docked in Karachi, causing injuries to several personnel and significant damage to the ship.
7. **PNS Moawin Fire (2018)**: The fleet tanker PNS Moawin experienced a fire during a refit, which resulted in injuries and extensive damage.
8. **PNS Hangor Mishap (2021)**: The submarine PNS Hangor experienced a fire while undergoing maintenance, causing injuries to workers but no fatalities.
These incidents highlight various operational, training, and maintenance challenges faced by the Pakistani Navy over the years
Another unfortunate incident in Indian Neavy, we are keep loosing men and warships at peace time.
Discipline is the key during wartime and peace time too.
One authority to depeloyed for check corruption in defence , corruption rate high in defence and change the processor to selection of officers in defence
So Modi-fying the Navy dress code, thanks to all the yes men filling the Rank (not file) does nothing to improve competence. JSR.
pun intended
true...godi Navy chief more concerened making dhoti kurta chappal mess dress ..saala chutiy@ Chief
Your breaking india bosses would be very happy with this article😢
This is such an amateur work. If one had calculated right ship cant fall Ove like that. Employ some competent naval architects or people have dock experience
How to explain the moment when you heared that a deck where you spent a lots of sun and moon went down taking a man whom who have mentored in his early naval life .. I am really sad with these emotions..
This is so sad for a poor country like India.
Our benchmarks have been lowered and how. The freq. of these accidents makes Indian Navy appear novice.
But it is expected.
We are poor because of lack of professionalism like this.
how come accidents happen everytime inside port, is some fraud going on to deliberately sink the ship and increase bill by doing maintenance stuff.
Mumbai is too crowded, move the dry docks to Goa or Karwar.
When is Snahesh Alex making a video on budgetary allocation to defence...?
Should not sugar coat problems, only then can improve 😅
We almost completely lost INS Arihant coz the aft hatch was left open while diving. Submarines have a method of using clicks from each manned position to confirm that an action required prior to changes in dive, depth and surfacing are confirmed by specific stations all over the sub. That incident became a laughing point and a matter of scorn across the world. We lost a P3C equivalent suite mounted onboard an Avro and ALL scientists working on it were killed in that single crash. Sailors or officers dying is a part of their calling. India was governed by the British coz a large number of Indians were ready to side with the British. I don't say so but Suzy Kassem does in RISE UP AND SALUTE THE SUN. Then there is the Official Secrets Act that acts overtime but, the RTI Act to obtain information has deliberately been made disfunctional. Is there a larger game of stymieing technological progress that threaten favored foreign suppliers; SaamDaamDand Bhed in reverse ?!
Imagine being the navy of a sovereign nation and having worse navigation capabilities than the merchant navy of the nation.
Indian Navy is to be open. Not Military. Also our seamanship is terrible and our engineering is too. Sad.
The hard earned money of tax payers are literally going down the sea.... Why doesn't the Defence Minister resign? We ask railway minister to resign everytime.....
27:40 sounded like arguement stage
Ram really pissed off
An Indian Navy chief has to retire because of the fire incidents but nothing has changed. As far as IAF is concerned, they are operating 1960s Migs so cut them some slack. Overall our Airforce & Navy both are in very very bad state. I fear for my country's security when I think what will happen if we have to fight a two-front war with China&Pakistan.
Gupta uncle where is the cut the clutter on Pakistan which you had to.postpone due to Karnataka quota issue, when will we have a video on that
Navy on a crash course, shameful
This is shameful! There has to be serious consequences for senior level people. What an amateurish performance! Indian navy seems to be playing gully cricket while dreaming of test match.
Competent or not, we have to deal with these men & women of the armed forces - not-to-mention the contracted support staff!
Tell me honestly Shekhar, can you blame everything on the 'traffic jam' in the Mumbai port alone? should we not have a culture of at least some transparency and safety guidelines?
Disclose the identity of the missing navy personnel. Why has it been kept secret so far. What harm can disclosure of the name and photograph of this naval staff do? If he is alive we can apprehend him.
Bad times for India 😮
Accidents Happen ---- Walk into a Naval Ship and you will be amazed Why there are so Few Accidents --- these Ships are like Jam Packed with Equipment & Inflammable Materials !!! These three ships are indigenous and the designs are evolving .... They are slightly high on CG is not lost to the Navy .... You guys in Print are just not up to it !!! 😡😡😡
navy personal are soft targets. why doesnt defense minister say something or resign? atleast defense secretary
Maybe the steering mechanism of the Brumputar was hacked via its CNC by AI demon
Thus is no surprise india barely build a decent road that lasts 2 years so no surprise here.
Despite their pathetic record of taking care of these very expensive ships, the Indian Navy keeps on clamouring for more and more ships, including the biggest white elephant of all - the third aircraft carrier. Perhaps, our hard earned tax money is destined to hit the bottom of the ocean, not in valorous fight to the finish action against the enemy, but due to stupidity and carelessness of our own people.
We want 170 or 200 ship's Navy but nobody wants to pay their fair share of taxes 🇮🇳
The video is only showing the half side of the story they wont compare the damage stats of other nations to india
Agniveers must have put too much water causing it to drown! Navy is surely innocent😂
Please prepare a documentary on why India couldn't developed itself as China did in the last 60 years before present central government came into power. This may be helpful for us to understand that what is not being done by present government to become next China😊. Thanks in advance 🎉.
I generally enjoy your videos, but this is just tragic. Neither of you are qualified experts on shipbuilding or maritime studies or mariners or from even from the Navy - what qualifies you to make a judgment and blame navy before (and that's the serious point) an investigation has been have completed..
Mr shekhar gupta pse look at erstwhile USSR navy every year they had an accident
Our ships locally manufactured or purchased have russian DNA 😅. Russian designs do not consider the safety of its crews.
Blame this on pakistan too mittee Dalo aur agay chalo 😂
Sg, appreciate this topic which otherwise would have been submerged, since the accident has occurred in the dockyard the Chief of dockyard the firefighting head and of course the CO of the Ship are equally responsible and should be cashiered or dismissed. Across the board whether civilians or defence personnel the sense of civic and security responsibilities are very poor. Till the time we’re happy in littering our streets don’t follow the road safety laws, we’ll never improve our safety standards be it in civil or military.
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Congress stopped PM-CM ₹10000 for farmers in Karnataka soon after coming to power in 2023 as a result 1284 farmers committed suicide but our LOP Rahul meeting the Rich Kishan unions leaders and sold out sonia media are silent. Sonia media should wake up and reports the facts.
The print showcasing the same propoganda news again and again is amusing to me
nobody cares india should focus on economy.
You fools adani started new ship building plant ?
Satta ke Dalalo ki chhatpatahat ! Ab dal galni bend hai to ,Defence accident jo national disaster ko v majak banate hai.
im a Christian guy, but i hope the andhbhaktss dont blame the fire on the muslins, they blame everything that happens on earth on them.
Navy personnel are at the end of the government employees. Not surprised at all.
For a change we will blame you .. For talking like you have ascended to Jesus and attained some brains.... Pig shiiitttttt
The Brahmaputra has run dry folks 😂
This is Nehru's fault. He should have invested more in space ships than sea ships. Thank god we have Modi building space ships.
The Print should stop taking funding from BJP......rather that money should be spent on maintaining navy ships.
Print will maintain Navy ships😂
@@ChandranPrema123 b&dk abhi tak angrezi nahi padhna aya tujhe...
@theprintindia Shekar I am no follower of BJP but the movie showcases not the political party like Congress but resembles BJP thus the movie was cleared to showcase.
I know you try not to showcase your political affiliation but sometime it comes out. Everyone has one in media but we can easily identify here what you are trying to promote 😅.
Anyhow no hard feelings on you every media is biased or has their own emotional connection as we are humans.
Is this sabotage by enemy country/countries?
Yes sabotage by Indians greatest enemy, fellow incompetent chest thumping Indians
You speak about 'Rang de basanti' but it seems the movie has been a waste on audiences like you!
Accidents happen.
I would suggest that before blaming the very people because of whom we have the privilege to sit in an AC room and making random & unsupported allegations - wait for the navy to finish the investigations.🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
Pathetic Show by the Indian Navy.
Modi hain to mumkeen hain 😂
😅iol😅8
The whole of armed forces needs a cultural evolution .... Less of jingoism would help ....
Guys, there is a whole taxpaying (no tax privileges) country of civilians out there who work hard and harder to keep India going .... Get real, and stop playing 'entitled lot'!