My ONLY complaint, is that I NEEDED (and still need) Cecilia to die a long, gruesome, torturous death. I hope this does well so we can get another sequel that’s set in the past where Cecilia is tested again. That bitch was too evil to get off so easily.
I hate her so much. When she dug the intestines out and when she stomped on Gabriella and when she brought the kid in. There’s a word for that woman but I won’t say it
Yo, DJ, surely, if Carlos doesn't tell his groundskeeper dad, then nobody knows that Cecilia is there and since she can't get out of the upstairs office she's locked in, she slowly starves to death!! I would think that is a pretty long torturous death!! But seeing as how Hollywood loves to milk these things out for all they can, I would bet that Carlos's groundskeeper dad finds her, frees her and Saw 11 sees her battle it out with John, which would be a bit lame for me!! Did anybody else think Valentina was a prostitute?? Just before she's abducted by Amanda pig mask, it looks as though a financial transaction is going to take place between her and the guy who tries to rape her in the back of the car, she asks him for her money and he refuses, also, she is dressed a bit like a lady concerned in that trade!! And just to correct the reviewer, you do see a guy very briefly in the distance when Cecilia is telling John who Carlos is when she mentions his groundskeeper father and presumably that's him, the guy in the distance!! Also, if you shut your mouth during the blood boarding trap, wouldn't lots of blood go up your nostrils, forcing you in turn to open your mouth?? All in all I thought Saw X was really good, but number 6 is still by far my favourite in the franchise!! Peace!!
@@andremcpherson1424 😨😰 “dressed like a prostitute” ohh no… I don’t think Valentina’s job outside of acting like a doctor or whatever had anything to do with the movie, really, but you can think whatever you’d like
@@moistwrmonastring1017 But we see that Matteo works at a vets, it isn't made clear if he's an actual vet or just the cleaner, as he's either brushing or mopping the floor if I remember rightly when we see him (God, I only saw the film this afternoon and I'm foggy on that already!!) We see that Gabriela is a drug addict, Diego is obviously a taxi driver and we see Valentina asking for her money before she's about to get into a car with a guy who refuses to pay up, throws her in the car and attacks her!! That is what a prostitute would do I assume?? It's not that important but that's just what I thought!!
15:37 I think between John having a soft spot for her despite her real role in the whole thing and Amanda seeing herself in Gabriella was the reason her trap was so much easier to beat, I really think they genuinely wanted her to earn her life back
While that makes sense, her trap SEEMS easier than the rest - But in reality, whether she went to the hospital or not, she would have died anyways. All that radiation would have caused her to get cancer. 😢
Yes!!! I believe they’re planning a sequel for Saw X, so I hope we get more of John and Amanda in that, and if they’d like to continue the series another way Hoffman would be the ideal focus in my eyes, because we literally know 2 things about him 😭 his sister was murdered and he doesn’t like Amanda
I’d love a prequel, set between 2 & 3 that includes Hoffman the entire time. We only have one single scene in the entire franchise with Amanda and Hoffman together. We need a whole movie with them fighting for John’s favor!
Yes exactly!!! All of Jigsaw’s followers “copy” or attempt to recreate John’s traps because of how much they look up to him. John making that trap FOR Hoffman and him later using it in a similar way John did in this movie makes sense chronologically and in terms of character
I think the scene is meant to show John was growing much weaker due to the cancer and he no longer had the will to put people through his tests. Cecilia’s scam pushed him back into his “hobby” because she gave him hope and he was reminded of how cruel humanity can be, thus throwing all of the people involved in another test. The best thing about this movie is John’s character, because he’s so insanely well written AND performed I had to remind myself I was watching a Saw movie! Tobin Bell did a phenomenal job
@moistwrmonastring1017 The scene was showing a human side of John. He still has the means to conduct games lol, he was conducting them even in saw 6 from beyond the grave. Jigsaw's philosophy early on in the saga before he twisted it in saw 3 to 6 was that he believes in retribution and redemption. The custodian put the watch back even before he noticed John, meaning he clearly was contemplating stealing but chose not to. As jphn says to Amanda in the movie everyone can change. We know John obviously becomes more deranged later on, but this is an early part of the timeline. Also the movie shows John was about to quit being Jigsaw, he tore off Timothy's trap idea when he thought he had actually been cured but went back to his jigsaw ways after he found out it was a scam.
@@momin351yes! I just mean I view that imagination scene as him wishing he could do more, live his life. I saw it more as him mourning the fact he doesn’t have enough time to do what he wants to, as messed up as that is! I also think it shows just how he views his tests and how they come to be in his own mind. It’s a complex scene, I fear, so everyone will have their own interpretation, but seeing it after he’s clearly in pain I think spitting blood into that trash can, he’s mourning how little time he has left. Anyways, your view was also helpful in making me analyse why I viewed that scene the way I did, so I hope all of that makes sense! 😋
@moistwrmonastring1017 Not really no, The movie made it clear that if the treatment worked and wasn't a scam, John would quit being jigsaw. The cancer and him trying to end his life via a car crash is what caused him to test the fabric of human nature. But remove his cancer then he looses the very reason he ever started to test people's will to live in the first place. Its clear he despised the person for trying to steal but once he saw him do the right thing but putting it back the idea left his head. We clearly see John give up on timothy's trap but obviously in saw 3 he continues it. This movie ironically painted cecilia as the 2nd most evil antagonist in the framchise after hoffman Ofcourse. She could have actually called her father to operate on John and finally ended the terror of jigsaw forever, but instead she likely turned John into an even bigger monster then he was, because in saw 2 and saw 3, John clearly develops a much bigger taste for violence and becomes more hypocritical. In saw 1 he was developing that hypocrisy especially with tapp and Singh but he was slowly loosing it, now he regained it back in full flesh by saw 2.
Loved your vid! I personally think the "blood boarding" test WAS an actual game, meant for Cecelia and Parker and that the "moneybag" test was John's Plan B...John told Amanda, no matters how this plays out, everything will work out in the end...which it did! (Just my opinion though)
Thought it was for him (John Kramer) & Amanda since no one would die. He said early that Cecilia would burn Parker. Especially considering that Hoffman already looked into Parker
@@Coach-MG No, that was his "play by the rules" trap. Had Parker not grabbed the (disarmed) gun, John would've eventually put him and Cecilia in the bloodboarding trap representing the "blood on their hands," fully expecting Cecilia would drown Parker even though both could easily live by seesawing it. The gas trap was a penalty game that guarantees at least 1 death, which deactivates the bloodboard trap as John was fully expecting to play it with Amanda.
@@sour3000 he did live, didn’t he? John pulled out the med kit and helped him out after he won, and questioned him about that guy and if he was involved in Cecilia’s scheme
@@moistwrmonastring1017 either you are making things up or you fell asleep during the film. 😂 He ran out of time and his head got fried in an aztec mask!
@@sour3000 no that’s Mateo, this person is commenting about “Edward scalpel hands” which I assumed was the first real trap of the movie, the one where he had bombs inside of his arms and had to remove them with the scalpels duct taped to his hands
11:14 I’m being tedious right now, but Valentina’s test was to drain the bone marrow from her leg enough for the scale to tip! Not blood, though there is lots of blood pooring through the scale, the marrow is the white, clumpy, heavy part! Pretty damn gross!
Broke my heart that she didn't survive. She was tough! One of two moments in the film that made me teary eyed. The other one was the kid in the trap pulling the lever.
@@mrbow50001 I’d say the marrow is easier to do physically but cutting off SO MUCH of your own leg would be way too hard mentally. Like I can’t imagine it at all, I wouldn’t be able to 😅
@moistwrmonastring1017 Me and my buddies pointed out you could've gone top down instead of bottom up and then shoved the thing in your leg stopping you from completely cutting of your leg but you'd be pretty damn close. Also cutting your entire leg off with nothing more than a belt tourniquet which would actually kill her not help her btw, would just induce shock and she'd most likely die before even getting to the bone. Cutting through your leg your still cutting through arteries and if they get cut you got like 30 seconds to a minuet before you bleed out leg arteries are not to be triffiled with.
@@HorrifyingDissociation woaahh!!! Yeah, most Saw traps aren’t realistic aside from actual building the traps *sometimes* 😭 You and your buddies are really cool for working out a way to do it more effectively, tho! That’s way cool!
I totallh agree that they should have left out that the surgery was fake until actually seeing the movie. Like can you imagine if we also were sort of "bamboozled" in the same way John was? Would have made for an excellent mid film twist. And we would have felt his pain in that moment so much more.
I actually didn’t see any trailers whatsoever so I got the twist which… let me tell you was CRAZYYY for me. I was like wtf happened to them on the facility??? Then it all clicked
The only thing I didn't like about this movie were the traps, strangely enough. Usually in fair traps you see people do what's asked of them followed by immediate freedom but Valentina and Mateo both beat their traps with plenty of time to spare only to die anyway because the key release mechanic took far too long to actually go off. They were done dirty
I think John intentionally made this game in its entirety much harder than usual because of what they did to him. In the beginning of the movie, it feels like he’s giving up. Like he’s accepting he doesn’t have much time left but isn’t sure what to do with the rest of it. Then Cecelia gives him hope, and it all turns out to be a lie. He’s more pissed than usual, he has personal grievances, and I think that’s why the traps are so tedious in this movie specifically!
I think in my opinion, while yes they did what was asked, they wasted lots of time beforehand screaming and not doing the game, by the time Mateo started his game, he already wasted about a minute. So while I do agree that yes they completed their tasks, they didn't do it fast enough on their end. Just my 2 cents on it.
I'd disagree as they were given 3 minutes and both of them end up wasting an entire minute screaming and crying instead of just doing it, it's clear John's deadly serious about going through with it. Just my opinion but they fucked up by wasting time as he does make it clear the is transferral time for both.
I think a lot of the tension the movie tries to hold is undercut by it being a prequel. I was pretty confident that SAW would nail a prequel considering movies in the second half of the franchise were 50% prequel already but I found it hard to get invested in the slow start with John getting conned (especially since both the trailers and the synopsis reveal the whole thing is a scam) and the twist of John seeming to be outsmarted when I already knew where the characters were going to be in a few weeks or months. It was well acted and I think the 'outsmarted' setpiece would've been really effective if I wasn't so confident that John had planned it (which is I guess why the kid was introduced, to throw a wrench into it for SAWheads). I'm not sure how I feel about the daydreamed trap. The only two fake traps in the franchise are Jill's dream sequence in 3D and now this one. On the one hand, it's a fun character detail that he daydreams of torturing people but on the other it does feel a bit like they wanted to spice up the opening sections without having to commit to John setting up a trap. I think it'd be less of a big deal if it wasn't the poster trap. I think the midcredits trap tease also kinda made it worse as well, having two traps not play out properly in one movie wasn't the greatest experience. I quite enjoyed the main game but Valentina got done super dirty. She was nearly raped and then had one of the gnarliest traps in the movie. Not only did she have to saw off her leg at the thickest point, she also had to drain bone marrow out of her stump and not out of the severed leg. She also would've succeeded if the time limit wasn't so stingy or the marrow sucker sucked a bit harder. Even Amanda gave John the side eye like 'damn I think we did her dirty'. I agree that this movie would've worked just as well and felt more fair if John didn't use timers for the main game but John not giving these people enough time to perform self-surgery plus a little extra weird shit is fine thematically (I personally think he puts time limits on traps because his life is also on a timer), but I don't think the movie should've included the attempted rape. It wasn't earned and wasn't relevant to the character or the story. Part of the torture of waterboarding is that your body's survival instincts kick in and you start trying to cough the liquid out or gasp for air. Waterboarding victims are tilted back so that liquid fills the sinus cavity and you can't breathe through your nose. I think if Parker Sears succeeded in his game (with the gun) then he would've been put into the bloodboarding trap and they would've been tested to see if they could take torture to keep each other alive or if they would try to sacrifice the other to survive. Because he failed his test, they got put into the gas room where one of them had to die. I think this game within a game thing means Hoffman's glass coffin escapades are safe and unretconned into being John's idea. I think Cecelia surviving was sequel bait, I don't see how anybody can survive this movie considering John remains anonymous until SAW II. I was personally disappointed we didn't get any SAW 1 connection, I've been wanting to see John react to Amanda's murder of Adam since he said he's cleaned up her mistakes in SAW III. Overall I think this was a good movie and well made but something about it left me feeling a little cold which I really wasn't expecting. It's probably the most well crafted SAW movie so hopefully I warm up to it more with rewatches like I did with Jigsaw.
maybe he remains anonymous because cecilia’s dirty schemes would get exposed if she talked to police, or she is already on the run (staying in expensive mansions wrecks this idea for me tho)
You've misunderstood a few things. Jigsaw's trap which involved himself is not a copy of hoffman's trap. Hoffman had completly planned for straham's scenario, In John's case the original idea was to fake the trap between both him and Amanda being put in the trap. But in reality it actually back fired as John didn't expect a kid to be in the premises, so it was a unique situation for jigsaw as he was forced to play a game with a kid, and John was willing to actually sacrifice himself for the kid, whereas with Amanda they would have taken turns naturally. It shows a human side of jigsaw and for once jigsaw's calculations didn't go according to plan. I liked the twist because for the first time, John got lucky whereas in the previous movies he's pretty much omniscient and somehow always correct 24/7 and predict things far ahead which doesn't make any sense. As for cecilia and Henry, it's clear their planning a future sequel which will be another interquel, saw 11 is gonna follow this according to the directors. Saw X takes place 3 weeks after saw 1's Bathroom game. Theirs still 5 months of story you can fit in before Saw 2. Saw X is defo the best in the franchise and a unique entry, idk how you misunderstood jigsaw's trap and compared it to what hoffman did.
Yes absolutely this!!! I’m so happy you explained this so well. I’m also saying the writing in this movie is the very best in the Saw series, but personally Saw 1 remains my favourite while Saw X takes the number 2 spot. I wasn’t expecting this movie to be on the same level as 1, but damn!!! I’m so happy 😭 I hope after the Saw X sequel, they wrap it up, because the series is so long now I can’t watch it all within a week!
He said that the plot element of the film "took too long" and that we'd already seen it in the trailer so what's the point, so he's obviously just in it for the traps. Shame.
I hope they make another sequel. There’s a substantial gap between now the events of SAW X and SAW II so they can fill in more sequels during this time period. I hope Cecilia is in a brutal trap for SAW XI 😵😵
Some of the details didn't go according to plan but it was essentially a "trap" John was willing to enter with the plan of getting out and Cecilia unexpectedly walking into the "real trap." How is that not similar to the glass coffin?
This movie was done differently, unlike the other ones, the first half was story driven, and the entire second half is traps. The vacuum trap was necessary to keep interest
Exactly, plus it gave the audience an inside perspective of John’s mind, how he imagines his traps before crafting them. It was very interesting to watch!
12:46 i might be just dumb but i didnt see that coming that he was ceceilias boyfriend i actually thought he was gonna become yet another jigsaw apprentice like i thought john was gonna let him live and give him his money back
As a SAW fan, I can thematically appreciate the Eyeball Vacuum trap. John’s response to the Janitor putting everything away is pretty telling. Still disappointing it was all in a dream but that’s such a SAW moment lol
Absolutely loved this movie!!! It might be my second favourite Saw movie right after the first one 😨 I loved it, I loved how silly it was at points, I loved how serious it got at other points. It balanced the almost soap opera camp of the series and serious themes very well! John drawing out his murderous plans in a public park was ridiculous, and the scene where he said he was “like a life coach”? The cinema was DYING of laughter 😭 But the scenes between him and Amanda, how terrified she is to loose someone she considers family, the scenes between Amanda and Gabriella? ☹️ They got her on point, it made me quite sad to watch! All in all I’d rate this one an 9/10, I really like the premise of this one but it’s only downsides are the traps being too tedious and some scenes being blindingly white during the day 😭 so VERY good!!! I’m so happy Tobin Bell got to fully explore Jigsaw’s character through his acting, because he did an excellent job and this is some of his best work. The passion behind this movie is very evident, I’m incredibly pleased with this addition to the franchise!
@@ChannelZero1031after Valentina passes, the remaining 3 victims stand around and Cecilia reaches for her dead body, cuts it open and removes her intestines. She throws it to the other victims and they loop it around the cart in the middle of the room to pull it towards her and get the phone to call for help! So more or less yes, they do that 😭 not a bad idea though since they didn’t have rope and intestines are VERY strong, but pretty damn nasty
@@moistwrmonastring1017 We have to survive somehow, right? Thank you for elaborating. I basically know the whole movie, starting from the trailer to the spoilers. Still gonna watch it.
I'm used to shocking twists in Saw films so I also saw this one coming a mile away. I wish the twist had involved the original timeline. That would've been cool 😅
Yeah, the twist was so predictable, since we all knew John would have a backup plan, or else what kind of engineer mastermind would he be? We already saw his secrets in 2 & 3. But, seeing someone (seemingly) get the upper hand on John and pit him in his own trap was like a twist in itself.
I feel like the 3 minutes is symbolic because they basically wasted johns remaining time so jhon also gave them a time limit which they wasted 15:28 i mean all she did was reassured john that her live was saved.and that shes a drug addict compared to Valentinaand mateo which are did a full fledged faked surgery on dying people for 8 years sooo
Something you didn’t mention that I caught, when the quack Doctor reveals she knows John is Jigsaw, he seems almost offended. As a Saw fan I understood it as “You dare to bring up my hobby, my life altering work (Amanda, Hoffman) to criticize me after you sold me false hope?”
This is why I don’t watch trailers! I only saw a few posters and LOVED the set up portion of this movie because I knew nothing about what this movie was going to be. It’s honestly one of my favorite saw films. I’ll need to rewatch it but I enjoyed it from start to end.
I think the reason they had Gabriella say she had been cured too was to give her more of a reason to deserve her fate later after negative responses from test audiences as it doesn’t fit in with john’s omniscient usual presence.but that’s just my guess
Actually, the blood board trap was originally for Cecilia AND Parker. Both her and Parker themselves point it out as soon as they're locked in the gas chamber room. Johns plan was never to be in here with Amanda, let alone Carlos, So being out in there in the first place was the complete backfire. However, in a sense, he hadn't made the trap in order for anyone to die, it was a pretty easy trap to survive. In his mind, Parker and Cecilia would get off the trap and reclaim their money, and THATS when their actual trap would begin inside the gas chambers.
I feel like it wasn't a huge waste of time to set the first hour of the movie building up because we see human in John, something we have not seen in any of the other movies, and the movie's climax wouldn't have worked without this setup because we ironically find ourselves rooting for our villain who's John because Cecilia is just as ruthless and cruel and money hungry. The way this movie makes you sympathize with a villain who has killed dozens of people in traps its insane, and it works, and to make an audience feel that is great movie making. And that only works because of the buildup. I personally loved it.
See, I kinda just figure that it’s implied that John does indeed put this guy in a trap- and this is just a weird flash forward scene. Mostly because the room he’s in sorta looks like the set for Saw 3&4, and Saw X takes place between 1&2.
I hadn't considered that, I kinda don't think that's the case since he sees him NOT steal the watch and says "good choice" but I guess it's still a possibility if he went on to continue stealing
@@LetsCrashThisParade To be completely honest, it might be a cope on my end, because I’ve never been a huge fan of pointless dream sequences. Especially in Saw, where most of it is grounded in reality. And since the Jill Tuck DS wasn’t received well, I couldn’t imagine they’d let that happen again, you know? Plus- Saw is confusing in its own right. Flash backs- flash backs in flash backs. Flash backs in flash forwards in flash backs. I’m just hoping that whole sequence wasn’t pointless to the plot overall.
@@HorrifyingDissociation While it’s totally more likely he didn’t actually die- I still wouldn’t be surprised if we get a passing line about how they found some dude with his eyes sucked out.
You didn't stay until after the credits?? I always stay because you never know. And this one was well worth the wait. The whole theater (about 15 people lol) erupted in screams and applause seeing Hoffman.
I knew Hoffman would reprise his role and ill tell u why .. because if u listen to the trailer you can clearly hear him say of all them men to cheat you chose John Kramer
I didn't watch the trailer.. I really don't understand why any saw fan would watch a trailer before the movie.. But anyways John makes a call to a "detective" during the set up and I instantly recognized the voice on the other line 😂 it pretty much guaranteed he would show up ❤
Is anyone going to talk about how John revisited the secret surgery location when it was said no one knows where it's located? Or how the child Carlos doesn't understand John when he was speaking English but understands it when the scam artist lady says she has some friends she wants him to meet with the boy clearly saying ok in English?
Love how Cecilia says her motivation to kill John is because he made her "suffer". Assuming she is referring to forcing her see to watch her collaborators die...yet the second she was free she brutally murders Gabriella. Poor writing there
@@TreadingtheBorderlands still love the movie but that particular part definitely showed some conflicting actions. Aka bad writing. You see it in horror movies all the time. Listen to what she says to John!
It's not poor writing. It was purposefully done to emphasise, when push comes to shove, she will do anything to get what she wants. Any perceived obstacle, she will take out regardless of any other factors, morals etc. She doesn't give a damn and they showed this through that brutal moment. The first hint of this trait was her using the intestines of her friend to pull the table close to her to make a phonecall. That woman literally just died and she didn't hesitate. There was ZERO emotion on her face too. She's truly evil.
Small touch but I’m glad they didn’t bother digital de-aging the cast (realistically I don’t think they had the budget). Even though Amanda look older than she did in the earlier films, her actor sells the character’s desperation, vulnerability, and naivete so well. She may not look the part but Amanda is written and acted so well for when this movie takes place in the timeline.
Good review… but a small correction at roughly 19:00 min mark…. @letscrashthisparade : Have you ever tried breathing under water with your nose… not gonna happen… waterboarding is a torture method cause you can’t breathe thru your nose or the mouth… basically choking you intermittently!!!
Im surprised no 1 is mentioning the credit scene with hoffman jigsaw and kessler, its so obvious they let kessler go... that scene is after saw 1, u can see zepp and adam, when daniel and amanda and xavier go in the bathroom theres no body of kesseler
I believe they had more Hoffman scenes, so his line in the trailer at that time may have not been a big deal then. Same goes with all of the other dialogue from the trailer, it was most likely cut for the final version
I noticed they changed the clips of the doctor recommending the cancer treatment people, and also finding out John's tumors still there. Instead, Henry recommends and John realizes he was duped by the tape.
10:10 in my opinion, them taking their time with this was very much worth it. it practically guarantees that the audience is on kramer's side and removes 90% of the current victims' redeemability. it takes time to convince the audience and to an extent justify the killing of each character 11:38 also tbh its kind of their fault; they go the length to express that they shouldn't hesitate, and both of them spend like a minute crying and screaming for help and though it would be a bit fairer for them to like. pause the timer once it starts dissolving the brain/draining the marrow they still took a lot more time than necessary
I have so many nitpicks with this movie. And while it's better than most of the series (not saying much), it didn't truly feel satisfying. And what happened to Cecilia challenging John? People made it sound like she'd really debate and push him morally ... but it wasn't that deep at all. .... Cecilia became disappointing at the end because the writers made her completely "evil", which didn't really fit her overall (and why did she veer from her father anyway?) Overall it felt more so cliche/empty by the end .... However 2 positives: a personalized movie, like 1,2,&6. And John ending up in his own trap.
I agree with you. I think objectively it’s a good film in how it’s shot, the acting, the lighting. But felt off in other ways. We watch these people go throught the traps and we kind of root for them so the fact that many get close but still die and the WORST of them got away the easiest leaves a bad taste. Even Hoffman vs straum felt better because they were rivals
I have a counter thought process on the whole marketing being around a scene that didn't actually happen in the movie universe. I think it's a nice idea to focus on something that's going on in John's mind as that is essentially what the movie is about. The thought processes and reasonings behind John's actions. Albeit not very well done maybe, but I feel like that was the whole point other than the torture porn of course. So instead of revolving around the other death scenes, it's nice to have this one that is stand apart from all the others in that way, be the focal point of marketing and representation.
ok so a lot of videos i have seen have said the eye sucking thing was a dream sequence but i rewatched it and still am not reading it that way. i just thought that the guy stopped stealing the stuff because john saw him so john still put him in the game. am i missing something?
I didn't watch the trailers, so i found the first half build up really helped me be invested in the remainder of the film. I'm torn on that first imagined trap. It'd normally bug me, but i think it showed that John doesn't really want to rehabilitate people. He wants to toy with them and watch them ultimately fail. He uses the rehabilitation logic to try to justify his desire to aatch others suffer.
That's actually kind of a great point; If it was really a fantasy of his and what he says about his intentions are true, then wouldn't his ultimate fantasy be that the person in the trap escapes? Of course you could argue this is just how he'd predict it would go down and not necessarily what he'd want to happen.. I dunno lol
I agree with you. This movie does a lot right on the technical side of things but I felt a little off coming out. It was a bit slow and it sucks we spent a lot of time watching things the trailer told us. I think if there’s a sequel to this there’s a chance at redemption but letting probably the worst person in the traps get by pretty unscathed ain’t it for me. Also wish there was more details about the outside world in response to John
Do you even like this franchise? Saying that the actual story took too long and it was all in the trailer is...not the best take, my guy. Sorry this wasn't a gore compilation, I guess. If you're going to complain about something, at least know what you're complaining about. You got some plot stuff wrong there.
Big fan. The issue was it took an hour to catch up to what we already knew from the trailers. I wanted more to be done with the run-time and by the time it was about halfway through I was getting worried it was going to remain pretty simplistic... which it did unfortunately
@@LetsCrashThisParadeno bro, you sat there for 30 minutes and said, "I can't exactly remember what happened". Its been out for a day. Did you even watch the movie?
I always interpreted things like the more excessive traps or some of John’s reasoning for picking people to put into traps as another way of showing his fucked up sense of morality. He’s a very smart character but he’s still also a psycho and that part can still get the best of him from time to time.
Sorry to have to disagree with you but I would not say this was a ‘standard saw film’. I think the first half is necessary because it’s purpose is to humanise John and make him the protagonist. I think you should maybe watch it again because there are a lot of small moments I think you missed! If you still disagree that’s cool! 😊
@@LetsCrashThisParade haha don't worry I didn't know the name of the stuff until googling its name lol I just knew it was that stuff that he had to cut out
Honestly I almost wish we got to see Amanda and John body the blood boarding trap, however I don’t know if Cecelia would have left until one of them were dead if Carlos wasn’t there making the guy (cant remember his name) uncomfortable
I just have a response to your comment about the trap being unfair at 10:59. If someone scammed you for your money would you want to play fair? Lol just saying you gotta even out the playing field 😂🤷🏽♂️
That's not how Jigsaw is supposed to think though. He preaches about giving people a chance all the time, it all seems pointless if he just goes against that
@@LetsCrashThisParade did he not give them a chance during this film? Did we watch the same movie? The chick cut her own leg off and nearly escaped…just wasn’t quick enough. Same thing with the surgeon…he cut his skull open got a piece of brain out but didn’t dissolve fast enough for the slot to open for the key….then the drug addict chick survived just unfortunate she was killed. Oh let’s not for about the guy who cut off the pipe bombs from his arms. He got a second chance didn’t he? I’m really confused here 😂
This is why I don’t watch trailers until AFTER I see the movie. It was fun to see Amanda’s reveal. I wasn’t sure if they bring her back in this one since it was in Mexico City. That would’ve been totally ruined had I seen the trailer. And the whole thing of them scamming John was a surprise to me. I suspected it was a scam but knowing how bright John is and how many layers they put in, especially with Gabriela, I said to myself: maybe this whole thing is legit and John is just one of the ones it didn’t work for. But then it dragged on for so long as a setup that you kind of have to realize they probably scammed him because they’ve spent almost an third of the movie on the setup at this point. Great flick. So glad I didn’t watch the trailer.
Ummmm john looked like he was 100 years old. Amanda looked 60 and full of bowtox and you're picking on Hoffman? By the way, the forst guy, that escaped the exploding arms, the cab driver, told John everything, incuding about the other guy with the guns involvement.
JUSTICE FOR VALENTINA!!!🥺😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 …Nah, she couldn’t be allowed to let live. She vowed to END both John & Amanda!! And even being one legged she would have done it too!😨
Ahh that's not a bad idea if they really wanna drag out the franchise. They can only hold on to John for so long because they killed him off so soon in the series. Saw 3... so the window to show john is really narrow and it's just a matter of time before they run out of loopholes. The room time scale wise is narrow. They'll have to keep squeezing movies set inbetween Saw 1-3. It'll be like a series buried in the series. 😂
I see criticism in where Mateo and the other person (i can't remember their name) won their trap, but still died due to timing I think its intentional like that, because they fucked with John Kramer, and with him being hypocritical, it makes sense for John to not give enough time for the task, deep down he wants them dead, but wants it to be "fair" enough for his cult-y ego
True, but also they did have the opportunity to live if they used their 3 minutes properly. They both wasted so much time considering and debating whether or not to do it, it cost them both their lives. I think the tediousness of the traps was intentional to make them harder than usual because of John’s amped up emotions!
The trailer doent give it away, that scene could of been in the film for all u know... plus cos we knew it was set between 1 and 2 we knew amanda etc are all alive
I am a massive saw fan and was really anticipating the movie to be amazing but I ended up being a little disappointed. It was an overall good movie, and I'll have to give it a few rewatches but a lot of it felt slow and unnecessary...I also personally didn't like the way they were framing John, he is a villain, admittedly a complicated villain, but this time round felt like the movie was framing him as a hero a bit too much. The ending was also lacklustre and felt so cheesy, it would have felt more satisfying if Cecilia died in a horrible or really hard trap but instead she got one of the best outcomes? and the child part of the storyline was really overdone and kinda felt like a cheap audience grab. Overall good but not one of my favourites, more middle of the pack.
Yeah, the role stereotypes at the end (Cecilia turning into a massive villain, while John rescues a kid) was ridiculous. It especially irked me because I'm still pissed osicko. how unfair he made things for Valentina and Mateo. Parker was right, they are sickos.
Couple things: Felt like some of the traps were a bit overkill. Cutting your entire leg off and carving a piece of brain out of yourself should be enough for freedom yet the two subjects both faced fatalities due to minutia. Then the fact that they build up Cecilia as this super mega villain but then decide to let her live at the end and face probably the least brutal trap in the entire movie. As far as saw movies go, this does rank as top 3 due to the overwhelming amount of Jigsaw featured, but I think it may have gone a little overboard with the fan service.
Watched it last night, thought it good, not great. I liked the story of diving more into JKs back story, but thought most of the acting wasn't the best, especially when the victims are cutting themselves etc. It just seemed so fake. Also the blood boarding, couldn't they just turn their heads to one side? There heads weren't being held down they only had a shackle around there neck, but they could still move it, so should have just turned it to one side. Other than that really enjoyed it. Oh and Amanda's wig looked ridiculous 😂
Why would Gordon be in Mexico… weeks after his amputation? Saw X takes place weeks after 1. I don’t know why you’d even think that 15:44 and Gabriella’s was radiation, so it wasn’t an easy task. Did you even pay attention to the movie, why brother making this video
I never said I thought Gordon was in it or was even going to be in it.. I just hoped a little?? And like what are you even on about? It'd be absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for him to be in Mexico? In this series where someone keeps killing people from beyond the grave 4 movies after his death. Shit happens
My ONLY complaint, is that I NEEDED (and still need) Cecilia to die a long, gruesome, torturous death. I hope this does well so we can get another sequel that’s set in the past where Cecilia is tested again. That bitch was too evil to get off so easily.
I hate her so much. When she dug the intestines out and when she stomped on Gabriella and when she brought the kid in. There’s a word for that woman but I won’t say it
Nag shes gonna come back for sure but with vengeance
Yo, DJ, surely, if Carlos doesn't tell his groundskeeper dad, then nobody knows that Cecilia is there and since she can't get out of the upstairs office she's locked in, she slowly starves to death!! I would think that is a pretty long torturous death!!
But seeing as how Hollywood loves to milk these things out for all they can,
I would bet that Carlos's groundskeeper dad finds her, frees her and Saw 11 sees her battle it out with John, which would be a bit lame for me!!
Did anybody else think Valentina was a prostitute??
Just before she's abducted by Amanda pig mask, it looks as though a financial transaction is going to take place between her and the guy who
tries to rape her in the back of the car, she asks him for her money and he refuses, also, she is dressed a bit like a lady concerned in that trade!!
And just to correct the reviewer, you do see a guy very briefly in the distance when Cecilia is telling John who Carlos is when she mentions his groundskeeper father and presumably that's him, the guy in the distance!!
Also, if you shut your mouth during the blood boarding trap, wouldn't lots of blood go up your nostrils, forcing you in turn to open your mouth??
All in all I thought Saw X was really good, but number 6 is still by far my favourite in the franchise!!
Peace!!
@@andremcpherson1424 😨😰 “dressed like a prostitute” ohh no… I don’t think Valentina’s job outside of acting like a doctor or whatever had anything to do with the movie, really, but you can think whatever you’d like
@@moistwrmonastring1017 But we see that Matteo works at a vets, it isn't made clear if he's an actual vet or just the cleaner, as he's either brushing or mopping the floor if I remember rightly when we see him (God, I only saw the film this afternoon and I'm foggy on that already!!) We see that Gabriela is a drug addict, Diego is obviously a taxi driver
and we see Valentina asking for her money before she's about to get into a car with a guy who refuses to pay up,
throws her in the car and attacks her!!
That is what a prostitute would do I assume??
It's not that important but that's just what I thought!!
15:37 I think between John having a soft spot for her despite her real role in the whole thing and Amanda seeing herself in Gabriella was the reason her trap was so much easier to beat, I really think they genuinely wanted her to earn her life back
That makes sense I can get behind that
maybe john saw past amanda in gabriella and had hope
While that makes sense, her trap SEEMS easier than the rest - But in reality, whether she went to the hospital or not, she would have died anyways. All that radiation would have caused her to get cancer. 😢
A "Post 2000s era Saw Trilogy' would make me so happy.
One centred on Tobin, one on Amanda between Saw 2 and 3, then one on Hoffman set after Saw 7.
Yes!!! I believe they’re planning a sequel for Saw X, so I hope we get more of John and Amanda in that, and if they’d like to continue the series another way Hoffman would be the ideal focus in my eyes, because we literally know 2 things about him 😭 his sister was murdered and he doesn’t like Amanda
I literally was thinking the same thing
Holy
@@moistwrmonastring1017he got killed in 7. John died in the 3rd movie.
I’d love a prequel, set between 2 & 3 that includes Hoffman the entire time.
We only have one single scene in the entire franchise with Amanda and Hoffman together. We need a whole movie with them fighting for John’s favor!
The glass coffin was never Hoffman's idea, we saw John creating the coffin in a flashback.
Yes exactly!!! All of Jigsaw’s followers “copy” or attempt to recreate John’s traps because of how much they look up to him. John making that trap FOR Hoffman and him later using it in a similar way John did in this movie makes sense chronologically and in terms of character
amazing movie, was disappointed while watching with the eye vacuum being a dream, but i think it’s kind of cool and unique looking back on it
I think the scene is meant to show John was growing much weaker due to the cancer and he no longer had the will to put people through his tests.
Cecilia’s scam pushed him back into his “hobby” because she gave him hope and he was reminded of how cruel humanity can be, thus throwing all of the people involved in another test.
The best thing about this movie is John’s character, because he’s so insanely well written AND performed I had to remind myself I was watching a Saw movie! Tobin Bell did a phenomenal job
@moistwrmonastring1017
The scene was showing a human side of John. He still has the means to conduct games lol, he was conducting them even in saw 6 from beyond the grave.
Jigsaw's philosophy early on in the saga before he twisted it in saw 3 to 6 was that he believes in retribution and redemption. The custodian put the watch back even before he noticed John, meaning he clearly was contemplating stealing but chose not to.
As jphn says to Amanda in the movie everyone can change.
We know John obviously becomes more deranged later on, but this is an early part of the timeline.
Also the movie shows John was about to quit being Jigsaw, he tore off Timothy's trap idea when he thought he had actually been cured but went back to his jigsaw ways after he found out it was a scam.
@@momin351yes! I just mean I view that imagination scene as him wishing he could do more, live his life.
I saw it more as him mourning the fact he doesn’t have enough time to do what he wants to, as messed up as that is! I also think it shows just how he views his tests and how they come to be in his own mind.
It’s a complex scene, I fear, so everyone will have their own interpretation, but seeing it after he’s clearly in pain I think spitting blood into that trash can, he’s mourning how little time he has left.
Anyways, your view was also helpful in making me analyse why I viewed that scene the way I did, so I hope all of that makes sense! 😋
@moistwrmonastring1017
Not really no, The movie made it clear that if the treatment worked and wasn't a scam, John would quit being jigsaw.
The cancer and him trying to end his life via a car crash is what caused him to test the fabric of human nature. But remove his cancer then he looses the very reason he ever started to test people's will to live in the first place.
Its clear he despised the person for trying to steal but once he saw him do the right thing but putting it back the idea left his head. We clearly see John give up on timothy's trap but obviously in saw 3 he continues it.
This movie ironically painted cecilia as the 2nd most evil antagonist in the framchise after hoffman Ofcourse. She could have actually called her father to operate on John and finally ended the terror of jigsaw forever, but instead she likely turned John into an even bigger monster then he was, because in saw 2 and saw 3, John clearly develops a much bigger taste for violence and becomes more hypocritical. In saw 1 he was developing that hypocrisy especially with tapp and Singh but he was slowly loosing it, now he regained it back in full flesh by saw 2.
I didn't know until I watched this review that the trap was a dream. I thought the guy in hospital in a coma was the victim of the trap.
Loved your vid! I personally think the "blood boarding" test WAS an actual game, meant for Cecelia and Parker and that the "moneybag" test was John's Plan B...John told Amanda, no matters how this plays out, everything will work out in the end...which it did! (Just my opinion though)
Thought it was for him (John Kramer) & Amanda since no one would die. He said early that Cecilia would burn Parker.
Especially considering that Hoffman already looked into Parker
@@Coach-MG No, that was his "play by the rules" trap. Had Parker not grabbed the (disarmed) gun, John would've eventually put him and Cecilia in the bloodboarding trap representing the "blood on their hands," fully expecting Cecilia would drown Parker even though both could easily live by seesawing it. The gas trap was a penalty game that guarantees at least 1 death, which deactivates the bloodboard trap as John was fully expecting to play it with Amanda.
@@NotAGoodUsername360 that's what I said, 'him' referring to Kramer. John + Amanda on Blood trap. Parker Cecilia in Gas room
Nah it was meant for Jon and Amanda since jon had the room rigged for Cecilia at the end
That makes so much sense!
Edward Scalpel Hands was putting in work honestly
He deserved to live after that. Sad n frustrating to watch...
@@sour3000 he did live, didn’t he? John pulled out the med kit and helped him out after he won, and questioned him about that guy and if he was involved in Cecilia’s scheme
@@moistwrmonastring1017 either you are making things up or you fell asleep during the film. 😂 He ran out of time and his head got fried in an aztec mask!
@@sour3000 no that’s Mateo, this person is commenting about “Edward scalpel hands” which I assumed was the first real trap of the movie, the one where he had bombs inside of his arms and had to remove them with the scalpels duct taped to his hands
@@moistwrmonastring1017 Oh! Him!😂😂😂 Loooool fair enough
11:14 I’m being tedious right now, but Valentina’s test was to drain the bone marrow from her leg enough for the scale to tip!
Not blood, though there is lots of blood pooring through the scale, the marrow is the white, clumpy, heavy part! Pretty damn gross!
Broke my heart that she didn't survive. She was tough! One of two moments in the film that made me teary eyed. The other one was the kid in the trap pulling the lever.
Because they're both super painful which one would be more painful: cutting off your own leg or extracting the bone marrow from said cutoff point?
@@mrbow50001 I’d say the marrow is easier to do physically but cutting off SO MUCH of your own leg would be way too hard mentally. Like I can’t imagine it at all, I wouldn’t be able to 😅
@moistwrmonastring1017 Me and my buddies pointed out you could've gone top down instead of bottom up and then shoved the thing in your leg stopping you from completely cutting of your leg but you'd be pretty damn close. Also cutting your entire leg off with nothing more than a belt tourniquet which would actually kill her not help her btw, would just induce shock and she'd most likely die before even getting to the bone. Cutting through your leg your still cutting through arteries and if they get cut you got like 30 seconds to a minuet before you bleed out leg arteries are not to be triffiled with.
@@HorrifyingDissociation woaahh!!! Yeah, most Saw traps aren’t realistic aside from actual building the traps *sometimes* 😭
You and your buddies are really cool for working out a way to do it more effectively, tho! That’s way cool!
I totallh agree that they should have left out that the surgery was fake until actually seeing the movie. Like can you imagine if we also were sort of "bamboozled" in the same way John was? Would have made for an excellent mid film twist. And we would have felt his pain in that moment so much more.
yes, would have been better.
I actually didn’t see any trailers whatsoever so I got the twist which… let me tell you was CRAZYYY for me. I was like wtf happened to them on the facility??? Then it all clicked
Cecilia's head sticking out of that hole just looks hilarious 😆
The only thing I didn't like about this movie were the traps, strangely enough. Usually in fair traps you see people do what's asked of them followed by immediate freedom but Valentina and Mateo both beat their traps with plenty of time to spare only to die anyway because the key release mechanic took far too long to actually go off. They were done dirty
Massively massively hugely agree!!
I think John intentionally made this game in its entirety much harder than usual because of what they did to him.
In the beginning of the movie, it feels like he’s giving up. Like he’s accepting he doesn’t have much time left but isn’t sure what to do with the rest of it.
Then Cecelia gives him hope, and it all turns out to be a lie. He’s more pissed than usual, he has personal grievances, and I think that’s why the traps are so tedious in this movie specifically!
I think in my opinion, while yes they did what was asked, they wasted lots of time beforehand screaming and not doing the game, by the time Mateo started his game, he already wasted about a minute. So while I do agree that yes they completed their tasks, they didn't do it fast enough on their end. Just my 2 cents on it.
I'd disagree as they were given 3 minutes and both of them end up wasting an entire minute screaming and crying instead of just doing it, it's clear John's deadly serious about going through with it. Just my opinion but they fucked up by wasting time as he does make it clear the is transferral time for both.
@@Izanagi520 compared to most other movies having 60 seconds to complete them, John was being GENEROUS with time
I think a lot of the tension the movie tries to hold is undercut by it being a prequel. I was pretty confident that SAW would nail a prequel considering movies in the second half of the franchise were 50% prequel already but I found it hard to get invested in the slow start with John getting conned (especially since both the trailers and the synopsis reveal the whole thing is a scam) and the twist of John seeming to be outsmarted when I already knew where the characters were going to be in a few weeks or months. It was well acted and I think the 'outsmarted' setpiece would've been really effective if I wasn't so confident that John had planned it (which is I guess why the kid was introduced, to throw a wrench into it for SAWheads).
I'm not sure how I feel about the daydreamed trap. The only two fake traps in the franchise are Jill's dream sequence in 3D and now this one. On the one hand, it's a fun character detail that he daydreams of torturing people but on the other it does feel a bit like they wanted to spice up the opening sections without having to commit to John setting up a trap. I think it'd be less of a big deal if it wasn't the poster trap. I think the midcredits trap tease also kinda made it worse as well, having two traps not play out properly in one movie wasn't the greatest experience.
I quite enjoyed the main game but Valentina got done super dirty. She was nearly raped and then had one of the gnarliest traps in the movie. Not only did she have to saw off her leg at the thickest point, she also had to drain bone marrow out of her stump and not out of the severed leg. She also would've succeeded if the time limit wasn't so stingy or the marrow sucker sucked a bit harder. Even Amanda gave John the side eye like 'damn I think we did her dirty'. I agree that this movie would've worked just as well and felt more fair if John didn't use timers for the main game but John not giving these people enough time to perform self-surgery plus a little extra weird shit is fine thematically (I personally think he puts time limits on traps because his life is also on a timer), but I don't think the movie should've included the attempted rape. It wasn't earned and wasn't relevant to the character or the story.
Part of the torture of waterboarding is that your body's survival instincts kick in and you start trying to cough the liquid out or gasp for air. Waterboarding victims are tilted back so that liquid fills the sinus cavity and you can't breathe through your nose.
I think if Parker Sears succeeded in his game (with the gun) then he would've been put into the bloodboarding trap and they would've been tested to see if they could take torture to keep each other alive or if they would try to sacrifice the other to survive. Because he failed his test, they got put into the gas room where one of them had to die. I think this game within a game thing means Hoffman's glass coffin escapades are safe and unretconned into being John's idea.
I think Cecelia surviving was sequel bait, I don't see how anybody can survive this movie considering John remains anonymous until SAW II.
I was personally disappointed we didn't get any SAW 1 connection, I've been wanting to see John react to Amanda's murder of Adam since he said he's cleaned up her mistakes in SAW III.
Overall I think this was a good movie and well made but something about it left me feeling a little cold which I really wasn't expecting. It's probably the most well crafted SAW movie so hopefully I warm up to it more with rewatches like I did with Jigsaw.
maybe he remains anonymous because cecilia’s dirty schemes would get exposed if she talked to police, or she is already on the run (staying in expensive mansions wrecks this idea for me tho)
You've misunderstood a few things.
Jigsaw's trap which involved himself is not a copy of hoffman's trap. Hoffman had completly planned for straham's scenario,
In John's case the original idea was to fake the trap between both him and Amanda being put in the trap. But in reality it actually back fired as John didn't expect a kid to be in the premises, so it was a unique situation for jigsaw as he was forced to play a game with a kid, and John was willing to actually sacrifice himself for the kid, whereas with Amanda they would have taken turns naturally. It shows a human side of jigsaw and for once jigsaw's calculations didn't go according to plan. I liked the twist because for the first time, John got lucky whereas in the previous movies he's pretty much omniscient and somehow always correct 24/7 and predict things far ahead which doesn't make any sense.
As for cecilia and Henry, it's clear their planning a future sequel which will be another interquel, saw 11 is gonna follow this according to the directors. Saw X takes place 3 weeks after saw 1's Bathroom game. Theirs still 5 months of story you can fit in before Saw 2.
Saw X is defo the best in the franchise and a unique entry, idk how you misunderstood jigsaw's trap and compared it to what hoffman did.
Yes absolutely this!!! I’m so happy you explained this so well. I’m also saying the writing in this movie is the very best in the Saw series, but personally Saw 1 remains my favourite while Saw X takes the number 2 spot.
I wasn’t expecting this movie to be on the same level as 1, but damn!!! I’m so happy 😭 I hope after the Saw X sequel, they wrap it up, because the series is so long now I can’t watch it all within a week!
He said that the plot element of the film "took too long" and that we'd already seen it in the trailer so what's the point, so he's obviously just in it for the traps. Shame.
I hope they make another sequel. There’s a substantial gap between now the events of SAW X and SAW II so they can fill in more sequels during this time period. I hope Cecilia is in a brutal trap for SAW XI 😵😵
@@_dranillo1k yessss!!!
Some of the details didn't go according to plan but it was essentially a "trap" John was willing to enter with the plan of getting out and Cecilia unexpectedly walking into the "real trap." How is that not similar to the glass coffin?
This movie was done differently, unlike the other ones, the first half was story driven, and the entire second half is traps. The vacuum trap was necessary to keep interest
Exactly, plus it gave the audience an inside perspective of John’s mind, how he imagines his traps before crafting them. It was very interesting to watch!
Can’t be forgetting details in a Saw movie! You never know what small detail will be integral later on!
I loved Saw X.
i love how this movie adds more reasons for amanda to rigg her traps and not caring about redemption
12:46 i might be just dumb but i didnt see that coming that he was ceceilias boyfriend i actually thought he was gonna become yet another jigsaw apprentice like i thought john was gonna let him live and give him his money back
It was marrow that valentina was measuring not blood.
As a SAW fan, I can thematically appreciate the Eyeball Vacuum trap. John’s response to the Janitor putting everything away is pretty telling. Still disappointing it was all in a dream but that’s such a SAW moment lol
Absolutely loved this movie!!! It might be my second favourite Saw movie right after the first one 😨
I loved it, I loved how silly it was at points, I loved how serious it got at other points. It balanced the almost soap opera camp of the series and serious themes very well!
John drawing out his murderous plans in a public park was ridiculous, and the scene where he said he was “like a life coach”? The cinema was DYING of laughter 😭
But the scenes between him and Amanda, how terrified she is to loose someone she considers family, the scenes between Amanda and Gabriella? ☹️ They got her on point, it made me quite sad to watch!
All in all I’d rate this one an 9/10, I really like the premise of this one but it’s only downsides are the traps being too tedious and some scenes being blindingly white during the day 😭 so VERY good!!!
I’m so happy Tobin Bell got to fully explore Jigsaw’s character through his acting, because he did an excellent job and this is some of his best work. The passion behind this movie is very evident, I’m incredibly pleased with this addition to the franchise!
Hello! I am glad you enjoyed the film! Question: Is there a part where Valentina uses the other girl's insides to reach a phone?
@@ChannelZero1031after Valentina passes, the remaining 3 victims stand around and Cecilia reaches for her dead body, cuts it open and removes her intestines.
She throws it to the other victims and they loop it around the cart in the middle of the room to pull it towards her and get the phone to call for help!
So more or less yes, they do that 😭 not a bad idea though since they didn’t have rope and intestines are VERY strong, but pretty damn nasty
@@moistwrmonastring1017 We have to survive somehow, right? Thank you for elaborating. I basically know the whole movie, starting from the trailer to the spoilers. Still gonna watch it.
Thank you so much for reviewing this movie! I’m too young to actually watch it so this is very helpful!
I'm used to shocking twists in Saw films so I also saw this one coming a mile away. I wish the twist had involved the original timeline. That would've been cool 😅
This is the original timeline
@@ladalewatson-ch4im yes but the twist doesn't relate to saw 1 or 2 or 3 which is what I meant
I was hoping for the same thing
@@BeckywiseTheDancingClownwhy would it relate to that tho when its about johns cancer
Yeah, the twist was so predictable, since we all knew John would have a backup plan, or else what kind of engineer mastermind would he be? We already saw his secrets in 2 & 3.
But, seeing someone (seemingly) get the upper hand on John and pit him in his own trap was like a twist in itself.
I feel like the 3 minutes is symbolic because they basically wasted johns remaining time so jhon also gave them a time limit which they wasted
15:28 i mean all she did was reassured john that her live was saved.and that shes a drug addict compared to Valentinaand mateo which are did a full fledged faked surgery on dying people for 8 years sooo
Ahh!! Such a good way to put it, I 100% believe this was his intention
Something you didn’t mention that I caught, when the quack Doctor reveals she knows John is Jigsaw, he seems almost offended. As a Saw fan I understood it as “You dare to bring up my hobby, my life altering work (Amanda, Hoffman) to criticize me after you sold me false hope?”
This is why I don’t watch trailers! I only saw a few posters and LOVED the set up portion of this movie because I knew nothing about what this movie was going to be. It’s honestly one of my favorite saw films. I’ll need to rewatch it but I enjoyed it from start to end.
I think the reason they had Gabriella say she had been cured too was to give her more of a reason to deserve her fate later after negative responses from test audiences as it doesn’t fit in with john’s omniscient usual presence.but that’s just my guess
Actually, the blood board trap was originally for Cecilia AND Parker. Both her and Parker themselves point it out as soon as they're locked in the gas chamber room. Johns plan was never to be in here with Amanda, let alone Carlos, So being out in there in the first place was the complete backfire. However, in a sense, he hadn't made the trap in order for anyone to die, it was a pretty easy trap to survive. In his mind, Parker and Cecilia would get off the trap and reclaim their money, and THATS when their actual trap would begin inside the gas chambers.
You kind of look like Leigh Whannell (Adam from Saw I) and he is also one of the writers of the entire franchise.
The little Spanish boy is a rich guy at the end
Oh yeah I forgot about that. I wondered how suspicious that'd look afterwards too btw haha
Mate.. Hoffman was literally an apprentice of John so it makes sense he learned from him and "copied" his idea of the coffin trap
Sure it "makes sense" but it takes away from Hoffman's character a bit imo
I feel like it wasn't a huge waste of time to set the first hour of the movie building up because we see human in John, something we have not seen in any of the other movies, and the movie's climax wouldn't have worked without this setup because we ironically find ourselves rooting for our villain who's John because Cecilia is just as ruthless and cruel and money hungry. The way this movie makes you sympathize with a villain who has killed dozens of people in traps its insane, and it works, and to make an audience feel that is great movie making. And that only works because of the buildup. I personally loved it.
1:09 The technical term is "janitor" or "custodian" if you want to be fancy
See, I kinda just figure that it’s implied that John does indeed put this guy in a trap- and this is just a weird flash forward scene.
Mostly because the room he’s in sorta looks like the set for Saw 3&4, and Saw X takes place between 1&2.
I hadn't considered that, I kinda don't think that's the case since he sees him NOT steal the watch and says "good choice" but I guess it's still a possibility if he went on to continue stealing
@@LetsCrashThisParade To be completely honest, it might be a cope on my end, because I’ve never been a huge fan of pointless dream sequences. Especially in Saw, where most of it is grounded in reality.
And since the Jill Tuck DS wasn’t received well, I couldn’t imagine they’d let that happen again, you know?
Plus- Saw is confusing in its own right. Flash backs- flash backs in flash backs. Flash backs in flash forwards in flash backs.
I’m just hoping that whole sequence wasn’t pointless to the plot overall.
@@mythicalgiraffe23I would say with John saying good choice he saved his own ass from getting put on the chopping block
@@HorrifyingDissociation While it’s totally more likely he didn’t actually die- I still wouldn’t be surprised if we get a passing line about how they found some dude with his eyes sucked out.
Gabriela escaped but got her neck stomped by Cecelia! It was like what Cell did to Android 16.
Gordon was in the ending credits
I watched the movie but didn't know there was a post credit scene, so I'm glad you went over that.
It’s posted on RUclips look it up
You didn't stay until after the credits?? I always stay because you never know. And this one was well worth the wait. The whole theater (about 15 people lol) erupted in screams and applause seeing Hoffman.
I knew Hoffman would reprise his role and ill tell u why .. because if u listen to the trailer you can clearly hear him say of all them men to cheat you chose John Kramer
I didn't watch the trailer.. I really don't understand why any saw fan would watch a trailer before the movie.. But anyways John makes a call to a "detective" during the set up and I instantly recognized the voice on the other line 😂 it pretty much guaranteed he would show up ❤
@@mullaoslo I agree...the only reason I watched the trailer was because it kept popping up everywhere and it played 😭😭😭 without my consent lol
Sherlock Holmes here.
@@winterhaydn 😭😭🤣🤣🤣 oh u r so FUNNY
Is anyone going to talk about how John revisited the secret surgery location when it was said no one knows where it's located? Or how the child Carlos doesn't understand John when he was speaking English but understands it when the scam artist lady says she has some friends she wants him to meet with the boy clearly saying ok in English?
Love how Cecilia says her motivation to kill John is because he made her "suffer". Assuming she is referring to forcing her see to watch her collaborators die...yet the second she was free she brutally murders Gabriella. Poor writing there
Nah not poor writing, she’s just evil
@@TreadingtheBorderlands still love the movie but that particular part definitely showed some conflicting actions. Aka bad writing. You see it in horror movies all the time. Listen to what she says to John!
it’s not poor writing, it’s just her character flaw, she’s evil so she’s gonna do evil shit to get her way.
It's not poor writing. It was purposefully done to emphasise, when push comes to shove, she will do anything to get what she wants. Any perceived obstacle, she will take out regardless of any other factors, morals etc. She doesn't give a damn and they showed this through that brutal moment. The first hint of this trait was her using the intestines of her friend to pull the table close to her to make a phonecall. That woman literally just died and she didn't hesitate. There was ZERO emotion on her face too. She's truly evil.
@@sour3000 good observation
Gabriela should have went for the hand first so she would fall.
massive disagree
Small touch but I’m glad they didn’t bother digital de-aging the cast (realistically I don’t think they had the budget). Even though Amanda look older than she did in the earlier films, her actor sells the character’s desperation, vulnerability, and naivete so well. She may not look the part but Amanda is written and acted so well for when this movie takes place in the timeline.
Good review… but a small correction at roughly 19:00 min mark….
@letscrashthisparade : Have you ever tried breathing under water with your nose… not gonna happen…
waterboarding is a torture method cause you can’t breathe thru your nose or the mouth… basically choking you intermittently!!!
Knew you’d be be back❤️
I can't tell if you liked it or not! 🤔 saw x is between saw and saw 2
Im surprised no 1 is mentioning the credit scene with hoffman jigsaw and kessler, its so obvious they let kessler go... that scene is after saw 1, u can see zepp and adam, when daniel and amanda and xavier go in the bathroom theres no body of kesseler
I believe they had more Hoffman scenes, so his line in the trailer at that time may have not been a big deal then. Same goes with all of the other dialogue from the trailer, it was most likely cut for the final version
I noticed they changed the clips of the doctor recommending the cancer treatment people, and also finding out John's tumors still there. Instead, Henry recommends and John realizes he was duped by the tape.
10:10 in my opinion, them taking their time with this was very much worth it. it practically guarantees that the audience is on kramer's side and removes 90% of the current victims' redeemability. it takes time to convince the audience and to an extent justify the killing of each character
11:38 also tbh its kind of their fault; they go the length to express that they shouldn't hesitate, and both of them spend like a minute crying and screaming for help and though it would be a bit fairer for them to like. pause the timer once it starts dissolving the brain/draining the marrow they still took a lot more time than necessary
I have so many nitpicks with this movie. And while it's better than most of the series (not saying much), it didn't truly feel satisfying.
And what happened to Cecilia challenging John? People made it sound like she'd really debate and push him morally ... but it wasn't that deep at all. .... Cecilia became disappointing at the end because the writers made her completely "evil", which didn't really fit her overall (and why did she veer from her father anyway?)
Overall it felt more so cliche/empty by the end .... However 2 positives: a personalized movie, like 1,2,&6. And John ending up in his own trap.
I agree with you. I think objectively it’s a good film in how it’s shot, the acting, the lighting. But felt off in other ways. We watch these people go throught the traps and we kind of root for them so the fact that many get close but still die and the WORST of them got away the easiest leaves a bad taste. Even Hoffman vs straum felt better because they were rivals
I have a counter thought process on the whole marketing being around a scene that didn't actually happen in the movie universe. I think it's a nice idea to focus on something that's going on in John's mind as that is essentially what the movie is about. The thought processes and reasonings behind John's actions. Albeit not very well done maybe, but I feel like that was the whole point other than the torture porn of course. So instead of revolving around the other death scenes, it's nice to have this one that is stand apart from all the others in that way, be the focal point of marketing and representation.
An entertaining video, here’s a sub 👌
The word you search for that kind of hospital janitor is Custodian or something like that
15:34. I bet Amanda had a hand in improving the odds in her favor... :P
ok so a lot of videos i have seen have said the eye sucking thing was a dream sequence but i rewatched it and still am not reading it that way. i just thought that the guy stopped stealing the stuff because john saw him so john still put him in the game. am i missing something?
I liked that it was just in his imagination, how quickly he can think of ways to create traps
I didn't watch the trailers, so i found the first half build up really helped me be invested in the remainder of the film.
I'm torn on that first imagined trap. It'd normally bug me, but i think it showed that John doesn't really want to rehabilitate people. He wants to toy with them and watch them ultimately fail. He uses the rehabilitation logic to try to justify his desire to aatch others suffer.
That's actually kind of a great point; If it was really a fantasy of his and what he says about his intentions are true, then wouldn't his ultimate fantasy be that the person in the trap escapes? Of course you could argue this is just how he'd predict it would go down and not necessarily what he'd want to happen.. I dunno lol
You clearly don’t u seedy and the concept of waterboarding/bloodboarding, if you think you could easily survive this torture.
I agree with you. This movie does a lot right on the technical side of things but I felt a little off coming out. It was a bit slow and it sucks we spent a lot of time watching things the trailer told us. I think if there’s a sequel to this there’s a chance at redemption but letting probably the worst person in the traps get by pretty unscathed ain’t it for me. Also wish there was more details about the outside world in response to John
Do you even like this franchise? Saying that the actual story took too long and it was all in the trailer is...not the best take, my guy. Sorry this wasn't a gore compilation, I guess. If you're going to complain about something, at least know what you're complaining about. You got some plot stuff wrong there.
Big fan. The issue was it took an hour to catch up to what we already knew from the trailers. I wanted more to be done with the run-time and by the time it was about halfway through I was getting worried it was going to remain pretty simplistic... which it did unfortunately
@@LetsCrashThisParadeno bro, you sat there for 30 minutes and said, "I can't exactly remember what happened". Its been out for a day. Did you even watch the movie?
@@gregorysager2377 give it a go
@@LetsCrashThisParade buddy just say you didn't watch the movie. Its not that hard
@@gregorysager2377 lol ok
I always interpreted things like the more excessive traps or some of John’s reasoning for picking people to put into traps as another way of showing his fucked up sense of morality. He’s a very smart character but he’s still also a psycho and that part can still get the best of him from time to time.
They made no effort to de age the characters and I loved that lol. The whole movie looks like the flashback where John has the backwards cap
Is it me or Cecelia looks and behave like Cipher from Fast and Furious 🤔
Sorry to have to disagree with you but I would not say this was a ‘standard saw film’. I think the first half is necessary because it’s purpose is to humanise John and make him the protagonist. I think you should maybe watch it again because there are a lot of small moments I think you missed! If you still disagree that’s cool! 😊
Its not a piece of brain it is the Meninges the sack around the brain
I apologise for not knowing brain anatomy that well I guess lol
@@LetsCrashThisParade haha don't worry I didn't know the name of the stuff until googling its name lol I just knew it was that stuff that he had to cut out
It was actually grey matter that he pulled out of his head, which is part of the brain.
@@LetsCrashThisParadeneither did mateo. He didn't even know what brain matter WAS. Actual scammer😂
@@sour3000 after watching the movie I was wrong lol I thought from the trailers it was just the sack not his actual brain lol
Honestly I almost wish we got to see Amanda and John body the blood boarding trap, however I don’t know if Cecelia would have left until one of them were dead if Carlos wasn’t there making the guy (cant remember his name) uncomfortable
the best saw movie im not even kidding
didn't that blonde lady only grift jigsaw because she knew he was jigsaw ?
I just have a response to your comment about the trap being unfair at 10:59. If someone scammed you for your money would you want to play fair? Lol just saying you gotta even out the playing field 😂🤷🏽♂️
That's not how Jigsaw is supposed to think though. He preaches about giving people a chance all the time, it all seems pointless if he just goes against that
@@LetsCrashThisParade did he not give them a chance during this film? Did we watch the same movie? The chick cut her own leg off and nearly escaped…just wasn’t quick enough. Same thing with the surgeon…he cut his skull open got a piece of brain out but didn’t dissolve fast enough for the slot to open for the key….then the drug addict chick survived just unfortunate she was killed. Oh let’s not for about the guy who cut off the pipe bombs from his arms. He got a second chance didn’t he? I’m really confused here 😂
11:00-11:07 this movie has been confirmed to have occurred weeks after the events of Saw 1 not years bro
This is why I don’t watch trailers until AFTER I see the movie. It was fun to see Amanda’s reveal. I wasn’t sure if they bring her back in this one since it was in Mexico City. That would’ve been totally ruined had I seen the trailer. And the whole thing of them scamming John was a surprise to me. I suspected it was a scam but knowing how bright John is and how many layers they put in, especially with Gabriela, I said to myself: maybe this whole thing is legit and John is just one of the ones it didn’t work for. But then it dragged on for so long as a setup that you kind of have to realize they probably scammed him because they’ve spent almost an third of the movie on the setup at this point. Great flick. So glad I didn’t watch the trailer.
Wish I hadn't lol
6:43 probably detective Hoffman
Ummmm john looked like he was 100 years old. Amanda looked 60 and full of bowtox and you're picking on Hoffman?
By the way, the forst guy, that escaped the exploding arms, the cab driver, told John everything, incuding about the other guy with the guns involvement.
Valentina should have survived
Gabrielle definitely should’ve survived but Valentina idk it just didn’t work out I guess
Well John did tell her not to hesitate so if she started sooner she would have made it.
JUSTICE FOR VALENTINA!!!🥺😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
…Nah, she couldn’t be allowed to let live. She vowed to END both John & Amanda!! And even being one legged she would have done it too!😨
Of course, the kid is psychologically warped after what he witnessed, so he’ll be the next Jigsaw. 🙄
Ahh that's not a bad idea if they really wanna drag out the franchise. They can only hold on to John for so long because they killed him off so soon in the series. Saw 3... so the window to show john is really narrow and it's just a matter of time before they run out of loopholes. The room time scale wise is narrow. They'll have to keep squeezing movies set inbetween Saw 1-3. It'll be like a series buried in the series. 😂
Could be a set up for the next one
I see criticism in where Mateo and the other person (i can't remember their name) won their trap, but still died due to timing
I think its intentional like that, because they fucked with John Kramer, and with him being hypocritical, it makes sense for John to not give enough time for the task, deep down he wants them dead, but wants it to be "fair" enough for his cult-y ego
True, but also they did have the opportunity to live if they used their 3 minutes properly.
They both wasted so much time considering and debating whether or not to do it, it cost them both their lives.
I think the tediousness of the traps was intentional to make them harder than usual because of John’s amped up emotions!
As an average saw fan and didn’t watch the trailer before watching it this movie was great
The first trap needed her Bone marrow. Blood alone wouldn't stop the trap which makes it even worse
Idk if all your reviews are like this but you come off as very smug and arrogant.
That lady surviving means there's going to be another film lol
Its his review. Lets not get all pissed off because he does not review it like you want him to folks. 😊
Valentina's & Mateo's traps were far too unfair. Fuck John. That's a new low for him. And we're supposed to care because he befriended a kid?
I liked that Kramer and Amanda were present for the traps I’m this one
The trailer ruined the post credit scene😂 at the very beginning, you can hear Hoffman say,” out of all the people to cheat, you chose John Kramer?”
Why would you watch the trailer? No saw fan I know watches a trailer before the movie
@@mullaoslo a trailer tells how a movies gonna be. Also over 20 million saw fans watched the trailer.
The trailer doent give it away, that scene could of been in the film for all u know... plus cos we knew it was set between 1 and 2 we knew amanda etc are all alive
@@Dazza3456 it is in the film. That’s my point
@@HunterHare yeah but without watching it u wouldnt know its were it is
I am a massive saw fan and was really anticipating the movie to be amazing but I ended up being a little disappointed. It was an overall good movie, and I'll have to give it a few rewatches but a lot of it felt slow and unnecessary...I also personally didn't like the way they were framing John, he is a villain, admittedly a complicated villain, but this time round felt like the movie was framing him as a hero a bit too much. The ending was also lacklustre and felt so cheesy, it would have felt more satisfying if Cecilia died in a horrible or really hard trap but instead she got one of the best outcomes? and the child part of the storyline was really overdone and kinda felt like a cheap audience grab. Overall good but not one of my favourites, more middle of the pack.
Yeah, the role stereotypes at the end (Cecilia turning into a massive villain, while John rescues a kid) was ridiculous. It especially irked me because I'm still pissed osicko. how unfair he made things for Valentina and Mateo. Parker was right, they are sickos.
As am amputee the jiggly saw made me cringe. I actually said to my friend I went with "I'm so glad i was unconscious when my leg was amputated"
“Clinical cleaner nurse guy”…you mean custodian? Lol
Yes, yes it is arrogant to think you’d survive waterboarding.
Couple things:
Felt like some of the traps were a bit overkill. Cutting your entire leg off and carving a piece of brain out of yourself should be enough for freedom yet the two subjects both faced fatalities due to minutia.
Then the fact that they build up Cecilia as this super mega villain but then decide to let her live at the end and face probably the least brutal trap in the entire movie.
As far as saw movies go, this does rank as top 3 due to the overwhelming amount of Jigsaw featured, but I think it may have gone a little overboard with the fan service.
Waterboarding trap was cool....
Cecilia is more evil then Hoffman and Amanda combine
Watched it last night, thought it good, not great. I liked the story of diving more into JKs back story, but thought most of the acting wasn't the best, especially when the victims are cutting themselves etc. It just seemed so fake. Also the blood boarding, couldn't they just turn their heads to one side? There heads weren't being held down they only had a shackle around there neck, but they could still move it, so should have just turned it to one side. Other than that really enjoyed it. Oh and Amanda's wig looked ridiculous 😂
10:00
I really enjoyed the first hour because I avoided the trailer
valentina had to drain bone marrow not blood
The Dr. was hot
4:50 is that Paddy's pub? Hahaha
Ha! You must have watched that other dude's reaction on SAW 5 i think. With paddy's pub in the film.
@@ChannelZero1031 haha I didn't 😂 I just love iasip do you have a link to that video though I'm interested now hahaha
best of all the saws.....
Why would Gordon be in Mexico… weeks after his amputation? Saw X takes place weeks after 1. I don’t know why you’d even think that
15:44 and Gabriella’s was radiation, so it wasn’t an easy task. Did you even pay attention to the movie, why brother making this video
I never said I thought Gordon was in it or was even going to be in it.. I just hoped a little?? And like what are you even on about? It'd be absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for him to be in Mexico? In this series where someone keeps killing people from beyond the grave 4 movies after his death. Shit happens
This movie was freaking fantastic I love it
janitor. they're called janitor
Custodian was the word I was trying to think of
i wonder if Cecilia died 😮😮?!
maybe, she survived....& there
will be SAW 11?!!?
iht..saw x is so 👍good👍 from the entire franchise 👏 🙌