Clovis First Debate: The First Humans In The Americas | Joe Rogan & Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble
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Graham Hancock, formerly a foreign correspondent for "The Economist," has been an international bestselling author for more than 30 years with a series of books, notably "Fingerprints of the Gods," "Magicians of the Gods" and "America Before," which investigate the controversial possibility of a lost civilization of the Ice Age destroyed in a global cataclysm some 12,000 years ago. Graham is the presenter of the hit Netflix documentary series "Ancient Apocalypse."
Flint Dibble is an archaeologist at Cardiff University who has conducted field work and laboratory analyses around the Mediterranean region from Stone Age caves to Egyptian tombs to Greek and Roman cities. Flint enjoys sharing archaeology - from the nitty gritty to the grand - with people around the world. Subscribe to his RUclips channel, "Archaeology with Flint Dibble," or follow him on X/Twitter for behind-the-scenes deep dives into 21st century archaeology.
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Producer: Jamie Vernon
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He does underwater archaeology around Haida Gwaii
Clovis First went from a general consensus to a social political issue.
Does not matter if you like Graham or you think he is a nutjob...he was 100% Correct about this. Clovis was NOT the oldest, the guy that found proof was trashed and it caused great harm to his career and Dibble , being the pedantic he has always been kept pushing the idea of Clovis First for a long time afterward and he attempted to lie that he did here. He is on record publicly after 2010 teaching Clovis First.
@@thomasjones4570
Wow are you easily fooled…….we have millions of ancient stone age artifacts going back hundreds of thousands of years.
We do not have a single shred of testable evidence for grahams mouthfarted nonsense of a worldwide amazingly advanced society.
Hancock is a pure uneducated fraudster and rogan is the idiotic td poster boy for short man syndrome.
With the very recent additional testing, we now know folks were running around a lake in near White Sands NM, 23,000 yrs ago.
And as these footprints weren’t discovered until 2009, it is not surprising anyone was still teaching, in 2010, clovis culture as the earliest.
You see thats how science works……newly well tested discoveries, regardless of the pushback become the accepted truth…..unlike the buffoonery of clowns like hancuck…….who seem to do their “research” up in their butt.
They don't disagree about anything here. Why is he bringing it up?
Conclusion: Science was wrong about Clovis-first so there has to be an unknown, high advanced ancient civilisation. By that logic unicorns exist, because science was wrong about dinosaurs for a long time as well 🤔
One-horned rhinoceros is the historical unicorn.
Exactly. Graham points out inaccuracies in archaelogy, but that isn't proof of his whacky hypothesis being real.
A lot of the rogan people seem to think that dibble being wrong somehow proves graham right.
Problem is people like you think advanced means the jetsons 😂
Clovis weren’t first
I was
It’s true I was there
I always come first.
Nobody comes faster than me
The difference between.
These 2 people is one goes by.Experience in the other one goes by indoctrination.
No, one makes it up……and is a 2bit conman selling Atlantis nonsense.
The other is an anthropologist.
Rogan is the one too dumb to tell the difference…..
Are you like little joey?
You mean evidence.
Flint dribble seems kind of closed minded to any ideas that are not his own .
Well, you know his dad apparently did everything as an archaeologist. You can watch a documentary on someone's dad and the wouldn't say "my dad" as much as Flint
Didn't he agree with Graham in the opening of the video? I thought it was weird of Graham to go off on that tangent after they both agreed lol
@@youtube_Rabbit_Hole for the most part yes, the only real disagreement he had was with archaeologists being open minded to change, to which graham went off on a tangent about one guy who in less than 20 years put forward a theory that contradicted the mainstream and is still held valid today. which in my mind kind of ruins his own point. 20 years isnt very long. and if thats the best example you have of not accepting change... by showing something that changed is crazy.
This archaeologist Graham talks about is Jacques Cinq-Mars. Jacques career was not "ruined" like Graham likes to say. Jacques continued his work at the Bluefish caves and he was appointed the head of Quebec archaeology. He published many, many papers and was vindicated. His career was not "ruined" like Graham likes to say. @Chaelsonen
I think this episode will mark the end of Flint's career, certainly the end of whatever fame he was hoping for from this. Snotty little poser.
Dibble just sticks to the science. Joe and Graham where kn attack mode from the start
GRAHAM IS TO ARCHAELOGY AS TERRENCE HOWARD IS TO MATH. PROVE ME WRONG.
You’re absolutely right, it’s just you don’t understand the implication of the statement 😂
@OEFTF11 there is no implication. It's a comparison, without stating if it's a positive or a negative.
I can give it implications. How about a riddle?
"I'm self-taught hobbyist. I insist i know the real truth. I insist im changing the field of study. I claim that everyone is trying to silence me. I argue with the professionals in my hobby field. I fail to present evidence for my claims".
Who am I, Terrence howard or Graham Hancock?
This dibble (sounds like an insult) keeps saying hes a certified archaeologist with out understanding how much more experience is worth
Dibbles Dad first
Dibble appears to me to be dishonest. He needs to work on his fake laugh as well.
he says like 2 words the entire time bro, to me its weird seeing a guy in graham who is making a living pedaling bad ideas to uneducated none archeologists because thats the only people that listen to him.
He is dishonest. He is also pedantic to the extreme and dose nothing personally to advance knowledge, he only repeats what others claim. I disagree with most of what Graham says but he at least is completely open to all possibilities, even the extreme. His type actually makes discoveries other than stumbling upon them.
Un educated listen to Dibble as well. Even if they didn't, educated isn't always synonymous with honesty.
@thomasjones4570 repeating what others have said is 90% of what all scientists do. Otherwise all they'd do is make shit up extemporaneously
@@thomasjones4570 lol hardly. I actually like Graham's theories but he is clearly not "open to all possibilities". He always criticises mainstream archaeology as being dogmatic as people have careers built on a particular idea but it is now clear that Graham - with a 30 year career built on one idea - is equally dogmatic and hostile to legitimate criticism of his work
Flint wiped the floor with the pretenders rogan and graham……
Correction, Flint was used to wipe the floor by Rogan and Graham.
@Tommasini9 not at all. Graham never presents evidence.
Only really stupid folks fall for grammy’s bs.
Graham is the Terrence Howard of archaelogy. Self-taught hobbyist, insists he knows the truth, argues with the professionals.
The difference? Graham was introduced to you through the JRE, and terrencd wasn't protected by an attachment to Joe, so the internet ate him up before he went on the podcast.
It's weird. If joe introduces you to a BULLSHITTER then people accept them more simply because of the Joe attachment. If graham became known before joe introduced him, the internet would tear him up like they did Terrence.
Nobody can be honest because joe is super cool to them. They all like joe, so they give him slack for having graham on a million times.
Graham made millions by spreading misinformation, and he gets to be on the JRE with millions of listeners over 20 times now.... but he's the victim, and archaelogy keeps his findings secret, somehow, after he's told millions of people on a podcast.
Dude has said the same stuff on every episode. Its not a secret. Nobody is trying to keep this stuff hidden.
Dude told millions of people, 3 times per year, for over a decade now.... pretty sure everyone knows about his ideas, but no evidence a decade later.
I don’t really agree with that or that someone is more of an expert because they have mainstream credentials, I think they have less credibility and are more indoctrinated usually due to that. Also you aren’t giving evidence he’s wrong you’re just making inferences that are necessarily true about this guy is this or this guy is that. Being see as a professional doesn’t mean you’re right.
Also anyone who uses the term ‘misinformation’ is immediately suspect and sounds more like a leftist nut job rather than someone with an informed balanced perspective.
Many mainstream theories that are accepted also have little to no evidence. Evolution in terms of fully moving from one species to another rather than just smaller adaptions for instance has practically joined evidence.
No way Flint Dibble is his natural name. Totally made up alias.
Smh yall fuck history up majorly lmao
A man