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Been hearing this for a decade now
I think once you hit 1000km of range it's time to dial it back to reduce battery. Personally I would be happy with a 500mi range EV that weighs less and charges in 10 minutes. Even 400mi of real-world range is fine by me, but I wouldn't say no to 500mi. We'll get there someday.
Probably sooner than we think, the Chinese already have their 'gold' battery that's at 1000k of range, about 600 miles so probably over 500 miles of real world range. I genuinely believe at that point its game over for the old legacy cars
@@stevenbarrett7648 But because it's from China, what will the reliability and longevity be?
@@cgarrrr2274 If its from China it will be rock solid, these chaps really know how to make cars, their technology is far better than anything coming out of Detroit or Berlin.
Our Chinese Tesla Model YLR is just excellent, two and a half years on and I still have the silly smile on my face and not one single issue. being an septuagenarian I've had 'one or two cars' over these many years but nothing even touches this beauty, it's just learned to to park like a pro this week !
Not sure we'll see that much range like 1,000km widely offered in mainstream cars, because it's not really necessary, and it would inflate the cost without really adding. I live in the Western US and really a highway range of 400 mi / 700km would be about the target IMO. I mean that is a good 6 to 7 hrs on the road and well beyond we what most people ever drive, beyond once or twice a year. Right now I have an EV with a range of about 235 miles, it does pretty much everything I need it to do, I'm not aching for more range but yes I would gladly pay for a model with 350 or 400 mile range, to make longer trips more attractive and to give me some buffer. I mean yes a few car models will offer special high-capacity batteries as an option probably, but not mainstream. Now pickup trucks and people who tow trailers, that is a completely different story. And motorcycles where ev batteries today are just not at all up to the task, today they go like 100mi. Certainly aircraft . . . Much more energy dense batteries will open up a lot of these other uses.
@@EPeltzer I would agree. I think a 400mi of real-world range is a stopping point; after that cut down on battery weight as energy density increases.
I’ll believe it when I see it in mass production.
One other huge benefit with SSBs - safety. They are way less likely to catch fire if compromised.
Light is right. A roadster doesn't need long range (or ridiculous doors) but a smaller, lighter battery.
Yes it needs ridiculous doors
I remember an article a few years ago in Car and Driver where they said they have been hearing this for the past 10 years. They said it is always around the corner
Yeah, it was ablong time coming. But solid state batteries are here now. There are plenty of small electronic products on amazon with these batteries. But having a car with it is truly groundbreaking.
So what model number can I buy NOW?
depends where you live. In Shanghai I have a dozen brands with top EVs I'd never switch back to ICE for. Left a stinky gasoline Porsche behind today, with my Nio family car. Was kinda fun good feeling
There was an EU report on solid state in 2018 which said they were 10 years away from commercialisation (2028) so 2026 is a bit faster than predicted - by 2030 they'll be in loads of vehicles.
This is a mega mega mega “Game Changer”
There's also Sakuu, a Silicone Valley company who is printing batteries; a lot of amazing things happening with battery tech, and it's happening faster all the time!
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But all web sites focus on reading comprehension and ignore listening comprehension
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Hi Sam..Happy holidays to you and yours! Although I’m not in the market for a car right now, your battery news will definitely put an EV on my shopping list when I’m ready to trade in my set of wheels! Again, happy holidays! 😊🎄
🎊EXCITING
I had a 1964 MG Midget and would lean toward one the those if priced right. Luddites here in the US will soon have to admit they are wrong. Well, they won't actually admit it, will say they were never against EVs after buying one, since that is what they do here with all new technology.
@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp I can’t remember cars being forced on people and to stop buying horses!, “new technology” only works if it is better!
So you know that basing on the idea that you had a car from a company 5 eons ago has zero to do with what the company is today, right? Stupid statement.
@ not really, you need to look at the cost of construction and resources used
@@ConstanceCox You misunderstood what he said. He said that he would rather have a 1964 MG than the new electric MG.
The big issue in the states is that when they develop something new, they throw it out to the public guinea pigs and wait for all the complaints and disasters to return instead of doing their due diligence in R&D! But in the meantime, they've taken care of their upfront money!
I've watched this channel for years, waiting for this day when you'd finally reveal to us a battery breakthrough that woud change everything.
😂😂😂
He talks utter shit from day one.
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@@PabloMontoya-qk8lf why the emojis?
Breakthroughs generally come in small steps. Comparing batteries of 5 years past, we do have breakthrough albeit small steps like safety, energy density.
Dude i like your videos. I hope this time you are right and you have a strong reason to make those statements because there are millions of drivers waiting to see a breakthrough in EV range before they would buy an EV.
Honestly, 600km range with full charge in 10 min covers 99% of the consumer demand. This is almost here, with lighter batteries to boot.
All good points Sam. Good night :)
A big battery that can store solar energy plus run the house & be grid connected etc, and also able to be used as a car would be great!!!
This charges everything!
The orange MG looks like a Chevrolet Bolt.
Ok, so they're heading in the right direction. Range has to go up a little bit, while prices have to fall quite a lot. When 30.000 $/€ cars have an effective range of 800 km and can recharge in 10 minutes, you know its definitely game over for the ICE cars. Lets see if that happens in the next 2-3 years...
How is it over for ICE exactly?
- After 3 years the EV is basically worthless.
- 10 min charge is not a 1min fill up.
- EV spontaneously combust
- Good luck in a crash in an EV
- ICE can be 40 years old they work. EV lifespan is 3 years yet they are 30.000k minimum for a tiny car with rubbish range.
More EVangelism. EV have a place, they are not a replacement.
You can buy a NIO with battery swap, the car won't loose much value@@TerbrugZondolop
@TerbrugZondolop hehe you are brainwashed. My leaf is 10 years old and it works fine.
ICEs are also more likely to catch fire.
@@TerbrugZondolop Lol where did you get 3 years? Scott Kimmels? Where I live theres BYD taxi from 2016 who still have juice in its battery and have not yet spontaneously combust while I personally saw 3 car burn in just 5 years.
Also You can charge everywhere and as individual you can also produce your own electricity compared to gasoline that require government intervention.
EV from 100 years ago still works.
And theres Tesla dashcam channel (Wham Bam tesla Cam) that record tesla crash and the driver are fine.
@ keep dreaming
these kind of battery technologies would be used in wider spectrum once become mature, such as aviation industry, agricultural industry and manufacturing industry, it simply will reshape the whole human society and move into more advanced level
Gday mate, u do remind me of Sassy the Sasquatch from “The Big Lez Show” on YT. Awesome job mate 😎👌
Here in Thailand mg will come with MG IM6, and I believe that's the model with this battery
I guess I’ll hold on to my CRV for a while
Morning bro
Where in Australia can we get enough electricity ⚡️ supply to charge at 900kw ?
Just wondering how many wind turbines, solar panels and electric grid upgrades would be needed?
I’m the first to like this video
Yay
Hi Sam
It’s Alex. The big guy
Met you at the EV show
Keep up the good work man
This is about the third game changer battery this week.
@@DGlass-yg8xk he is as annoying as his permed hairstyle
He forgot to put game changer and insane in the title again. 😂
@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp I fail to see how somebody making fun of Sam's overuse of phrases such as "game changer" qualifies that person as a Luddite who hates EVs.
@@SilverPenguin-kc5qp The "somebody" in my comment was not me, but rather @DGlass-yg8xk, that is, the person to whom you were replying. As such, I was not taking your original comment as being aimed at me personally, and hence I wasn't "taking it too personal". And I don't understand how you think my comment (`I fail to see how somebody making fun of Sam's overuse of phrases such as "game changer" qualifies that person as a Luddite who hates EVs') has a "tone of negativity".
Settle down Glassy.
These are fantastic videos - I see hundreds of fully automated machines assembling everything and some 3 or 6 semi-skilled workers helping a bit. The future is here: machines and electricity do the job, people enjoy their free time with family leisurely, study, engage in arts and sports and philosophical talk. The only bit missing is governments taxing machines and giving that money to workers who don´t want to work 45 years in a row - but only 20 or who don´t aim for a luxurious lifestyle but for some work-life balance. Something, somewhere is going wrong on the whole social component. Huge range finally sounds great - it will make another generation of existing EVs obsolete.
The ones with old battery technology will be hard to be resold
Right, until the owner updates to a new battery so they can sell it
Batteries tend to be modular. Why couldn't a new solid state battery pack be installable in an 'older' EV? (even 'if' the battery is worth most of the car)
Trump going to stop this sh##
Quantamscape( QS) are close.
How many tons of dirt and rock need to be mined using diesel machinery to extract the metals to build the batteries?
One of the current problems is EV resale value. With such a rapid pace of innovation EV's that sold 5 years ago are obsolete today and those selling today will be obsolete in 5 years creating low resale value, driving down prices.
I soory you made a comment about Toyota promising solid state batteries 2014. Dismissing they as a contender in the race to manufacture and bring to market. They are currently building a massive plant in N. Carolina in the USA. They have over 27,000 patents in regards to EV batteries. They will be a leading contender.
Game changer: Sam changes the same shirt he’s worn for the past two years! 🤣
I just want an EV that goes beyond 600 miles before needing to be charged. Once we hit that, I think the age of ICE cars will be just about over.
Currently own an ev?
Elon has said that 300 mile range is all that most people want to buy so its likely the battery pack will get smaller and cheaper rather than the range getting longer except maybe as an option.
Every month for 2 years breakthrough battery tech ..yea right.
Anyhow hybrids will benefit as much or more from it.
It never ceases to amaze at China speed in whatever sector the apply themselves. No wonder the EV market is dominated by China, no one else can keep up and compete. This is like 5G in the US. China is already moving on to 6G and the US is still digesting 5G. It appears the EV market is the same. I doubt any western company can compete. The EU tariffs are supposed to delay the eventual and give time to catch up. It's new battery giant., Northvolt, that was poised to compete with China has gone belly up. Now it is a matter of time as the EU gets flooded with Chinese hybrids and as soon as Chinese EV factories gain traction with new factories in the EU, legacy automakers will have a difficult time competing.
With advancements like solid-state batteries on the horizon, do you think converting fuel-based vehicles to electric will become a booming business in the future, particularly for semi-trucks?
First company to sell good affordable EVs in USA will make billions$$$$$$$
500 miles of range is enough.
More energy is basically for hauling and towing.
What about the mico-crystals battery that will last 30 years and not explode or catch fire ?
Do we charge these batteries with Martian Dust?
I will wait until they tell us the real KWH/KG and how big KG the battery really is. The marketing blurb is suitably vague saying up to 80% more energy density than something they haven't put number on. Lets remember biodiesel has an energy density of 10 kwh/kg and the best current Lithium tech is 0.4 kwh/kg. Even +80% 0.72 kwh/kg would be an improvment but since liquid fuel has 15x the energy density of batteries, I don't think ICE will disappear ever.
New day, hence a new battery. Yet again, we will never see the all new wounder battrey
wonder battery
Don't CATL already produce 4C and 6C batteries, and batteries with1000km range?
These were being 'talked about' a couple of years ago.
And now they're here.
The Chinese do seems to know how to get things done.
@@mikemalone9678 Yes, China is so famous for superior quality of their product (food, equipment, non-toxic fabric). I wouldn't touch ANYTHING that has any type of connection with electricity that was produced in China, let alone the cheap stuff. They fake everything, take shorcut everywhere because they do not care for the consequences.
Only the 3rd 'miracle new battery' this week, slow week! :)
This channel is useful for using data to destroy the nonsense narrative that EVs are no longer gaining market share, or that they’re impractical.
It’s useful for keeping up with what auto manufacturers are struggling.
This is not a channel to use for someone who is attempting to guess when new battery technology will become commercially viable and enter the mass market.
yes mate they have explosive acceleration...upwards
Batteries with 300whkg or higher energy density will transform small EVs.the new Renault 5 for instance could get well over 300 mile range and faster charging from the same physical size battery pack. Whilst full solid state could give small EVs 400mile plus or big battery size and weight savings. Imagine 300mile plus range and super fast charging in the new Hyundai Inster.
I thought the semi-solid state battery was going into the IM LS EV.
So what’ll happen to all the firecracker batties in existence and still being produced?
Amazing the number of posters that say they don't like getting poked in the eye with a stick, then proceed to poke themselves in the eye with a stick (apparently) repeatedly.
I would have thought solid state batteries would be more swappable - smaller, more robust etc.
no. swapping components will give insurers nightmares bc there is no way to ensure the safety of switched batteries. There will also be proprietry technology involved to stop non original parts being used. Apple on wheels. Digital Rights Management will ring fence products and consumers.
Face it, with the exception of China itself, EV sales are flatlining. First, the US, and then the EU to follow and will both enact tariffs that level the playing field.
#quantum_scape induction charging is the gamechanger for pure play bev tho which is Tesla yet again *"time is money"* so yes range and efficiency matters but no more charging cables and vastly reduced charging times matters more😊😊
It s an exciting time
It would suit me if they had a realistic range of 250-300 miles and the car was lighter rather than just giving it maximum range at the same sort of weight as the older battery.
As far as I know, at least three battery manufacturers have announced plans to start production of semi-solid batteries in 2025. A 1000 km range plus a solar roof is good enough to charge the car once a month or even less frequently.
You were not good in maths at school, right? There no way you can charge a 70 kWh battery car with a solar roof in a decent amount of time (unless you live in a castle and have a square kilometer of solar panels.... - come on, do your homework before writing.)
Ah, and the sun shines, of course, and it's not too hot, or too cold....
Really need 1000km range? Most of would be happy of 350km or even 250km.
@@lucamaggiolini5062 Ok. Let's do the math. If you have a battery with a 1000 km range and drive about 30 km per day (on average for workdays and weekends), you would need to fully charge it roughly once a month, right? Current technology already allows for solar surfaces capable of covering a daily range of 20-25 km. In this case, you would only need to recharge your car every 3 to 6 months.
By the way, that's 3rd-grade math.
Or could you have 30% smaller battery if a smaller lighter car was what you were looking for ?
The question is will the electrical grid hold up with all the new vehicles on the road?
Yes, it will handle the needs of EV's
There will be upgrades needed, as is always the case with the grid. But new technologies, such as utility scale batteries will help immensely with the transition, as peak loads (i.e., everyone trying to charge at once) will be greatly reduced.
Note that the average passenger EV uses only about 6kWh per day. That's only about half of what the average domestic hot water tank needs per day...
Note that removing the extraction, transport, refining, distribution, and dispensing of fossil fuels will *actually* save more electricity, by a significant margin, than if every vehicle was an EV, including land, aviation, and water.
Fossil fuels require that much electricity
No, it won't.
@JohnSmith-ux3tt
Please elaborate why it won't.
@JohnSmith-ux3tt
In the USA, around 4,000TWh of electricity is generated annually.
Of that, about 25% is used on fossil fuel processing - yes, there is that much electricity used. From extraction, transport, refining, distribution and dispensing.
Switching to 100% EV would actually save electricity. And that doesn't even consider the fact that a lot of indirect fossil fuel processing industries would be shut down. For example, fuel transport trucks would no longer be needed, and thus no longer maintained or manufactured.
Electrical distribution will have some challenges in areas, due to rapid changes in demand. This can be alleviated with utility scale batteries to average out the peak demands in many cases.
Forget the million mile battery warranty bump the time up to 15-20yrs and 300K miles.
I wish it would matter about power density. These manufacturers won’t increase mileage. They will just put in smaller batteries into cars, keep prices the same and pocket the extra profit. You know that’s what they are going to do. I wish they would increase range to 450 miles average and make longer range cars 500. But you know they won’t.
If everyone buys EV's, where in the world is there an electric grid that could handle the load?
I don't need 1000km of range.
300-400km real world range is fine.
I just need 10mins charging.
This dude looks like he used to be an adventurer like me. But then he took an arrow to the knee.
Sodium ion battery pack prices will be less than $20 per kmh. within 4 years. With those prices, EVs in the US will cost less than $13k. Solid state-based battery packs can then serve the higher end of the market.
Sodium ion batteries last half as long as lithium ion batteries and have 30% lower energy density, which means hauling more weight around. I don't think heavier cars/short life batteries are going to cut it.
I don't know what made me think him as the CEO of BYD 🤔😁
My car lease is up this year. I was going to make the switch to an EV and specifically one of the new offerings coming out of China. My big concern now is that in 5y time when my new lease is up how outdated 2025 EVs are going to be and how is this going to impact the resale value. I guess worse case scenario with a lease is I can just hand it back if the resale value is lower than the balloon payment.
It could, but like all greenwash it won't
Sam, why don’t you give some numbers? You quote percentages, but a percentage of what? The MG you say might get 30% more range; so what is that? Doesn’t it have some drawbacks? Energy lost during charging? Internal resistance of the cells? The expected life? Solid state batteries have been promised for a long time. I won’t hold my breaths.
When it goes for 500 miles and takes 20 minutes to charge, I'll buy one. But I have some doubt that will happen in my lifetime.
This whole chat reminds me of people banging on about graphene, and how it will change the world. It never does, it's always a few years away.
I thought EV range had to be much higher than 200 miles, but it turns out that I don’t feel so drained at the end of a 500 mile drive in an EV compared to a fossil car. I’ve put it down to the 20min leg stretch every 2hrs.
@danhough7574 it's not so much that people want to drive 500 miles in one sitting. But there isn't always a convenient period of 5 hours to recharge within each 100 mile trip. It has no flexibility.
Easily in 2 years
I find EV’s are more flexible because I can fill up at home. Ok, so not so flexible if you don’t have home charging, but a lot could do home charging and they’re missing out on cheaper travel. Induction charging is coming which will means this holy grail battery is not needed for most.
It will.
Not in the USA.
We will let the customer decide what's best for them, not climate extremist or the government
@kenbehrens5778 evs don't pollute less.
They pollute more over the life of the car all things considered compared to same size gas car and hybrid.
Even vw admitted it takes at least 40000 miles for a new ev say a golf to equal the carbon footprint of a gas car even longer for a hybrid ..then yes they do pull ahead, until the hard to recycle battery needs replacing, then they fall behind again.
And if you are using public or Tesla chargers those mainly use coal gas etc for power
If you have solar at home that can definitely help evs ahead.
We need to tell the whole truth the destruction of land and mining that uses tons of gas oil and carbon to find and mine heavy metals which the earth produces less of them coal gas oil which is constantly being renewed and found and can be mined with less of an impact greenwise the heavy metals lithium cobalt etc.
BEV are not 0 emission vehicles.
Sure nothing out the tailpipe evs pollute going in gas going out.
Not to mention invisible vapors and radiation in small safe amounts.
Let's just be honest
00:43 MG launchnig an EV this year ??? They have about 10 days to do that.
He said “ this year, 2025”
If EVs are going to improve so much in the next year why are people still buying them now, because with these next generation EVs that are promising 1,000 K/m range the ones we have now will de, value faster than return tickets on the Titanic, & already used EVs are unwanted.
And affordable to who? The rich and famous? Or the average Jane or Joe?
EV motors only contain about 20 moving parts.
Should not EV manufacturers be reducing the size of their battery packs, reducing the power of the vehicles and increacing the availiability of charging stations given that the power density and charging speed of batteries is improving?
Who really needs an EV that can accelerste from 0-60 in less than 8 seconds and run for more than 300 miles on a single charge?
These things are primarily intended to be a replacement for ICE vehicles.
other sources say that in 2025 this technology will only be officially presented and production will take place in 2026/27 at the earliest, so now we can only speculate...
I want a small nuclear reactor in my EV
Amazing👍
Need Solid State batteries for phones
I would rather be sitting on a smaller battery with a more efficient EV and same range.
personally I want a smaller battery with greater range!
What do you still think about amprious batteries
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I think this is it guys.... You don't know if I'm being sarcastic. Cuz honestly neither do i
"Skyrocket"... again... lol.
I'd rather have reduced automobile weight than insane ranges.
This battery wil not fit in old EV’s! That’s the hole bottleneck with EV’s.
I COULD go to the moon in 2025
New type of batteries with higher energy density improves range !? I don’t see how this could be. Unless the battery capacity in the car in terms of KwH increases. With the same battery capacity in KWh, irrespective of the type of battery, the range would be the about same. Higher energy battery car may improve the range slightly bcos of lighter weight.
Does Sam only have one shirt?
I’m sure he is more than one shirt but it’s good marketing you wear the same colours every day and people can recognise your marketing advertising act one scene one
ICE mechanics seem to be the most sceptical about EVs, is this because they think what they know is all there is and are unwilling to change their mindset
Graphene batteries......
That means the current batch of EV'S will he worthless . Best to save your money and wait 10 years until this comes true
And if it comes it will make all existing EV cars virtually worthless. That seems to be a good reason to buy an EV at the present time.
Since MG is not exactly known for a high quality ICE vehicle. What makes anyone believe their EV will be any better.
The minute I read about the solid state battery pioneer, Satki3, and their solid-state batts, nearly 20-years ago, I knew they were the future of all transportation, and they will.
So, nothing has happened for 20 years? Invest now.
It's always important when arguing with ICE-heads about the advantages of EVs that EVs are changing rapidly. Many if not most issues that are cited as problems are already being worked on and will likely be resolved in a few years. Range, charge time, weight, sourcing chemicals for the batteries, battery recycling...all of these will likely be non-issues in ten years. They're still cars, though, and public transit should be massively improved rather than just giving everyone an EV. But if there's a car on the road in 2050, it needs to be electric.
Battery lifespan is a big deal as once battery is past warranty, Tesla and other companies will not repair them, yet they are repairable.
Micro-crystall batteries have been charged and discharged and tested for the last 6 years.
Not too keen on faster charging as our Tesla already charges quite fast, faster than I can eat my lunch anyway !
They should have waited for this technology before they jammed this down our throats and fucked everything up.